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penty

>Yeah 'these' (gold) asteroids! Wow the irony of you trying to correct me... Your assumption is that every asteroid is gold and not these "coveted" other metals. I gave the OP the benefit of the doubt to assume he was meaning all the possible metals.when they described ' these asteroids'. I guess YOU can read it the other way. So yeah the "the irony of you trying to correct me". You're inserting yourself into a conversation just to redefine the discussion so you can be pissed about something. >A cursory bit of research into industry and the metals required would make it obvious to anyone that bulk gold provides very little industrial benefit. Sure, buddy. Spoken like someone who hasn't done their research. 'most useful metals in industry' or 'rarest metals used in industry' Such searched relate to NOW which INCLUDES FACTOR ON THE CURRENT PRICE OF GOLD. There are many uses where anything but gold is a lesser sub.

Jay314stl

Do this same math-but in GOLD and see what you come up with.

Knerd5

These hypothetical 6102 conversions gloss over the foundational aspect of what happened. Gold was seized because the USD was literally BACKED BY GOLD. At the time in order to print more dollars you literally needed to *have more gold*. The economy was frozen in the great depression because of the limitations of a hard currency and thus extreme measures had to be taken. The USD is not and will never be backed by bitcoin. It will never be backed by anything ever again. Getting a nation wide bitcoin seizure past the Supreme Court will have an insurmountable climb because of this. Understanding the context of 6102 is more important than what 6102 actually did.

Cute-Preparation-834

Jeez I must be talking French. Listen they can do a derivative and trade it without owning it just like gold. Then dump billions of paper bitcoin on market to suppress price LIKE THEY HAVE DONE WITH GOLD FOR YEARS

Cute-Preparation-834

Jeez I must be talking French. Listen they can do a derivative and trade it without owning it just like gold. Then dump billions of paper bitcoin on market to suppress pr8ce LIKE THEY HAVE DONE WITH GOLD FOR YEARS

ecnecn

The third image for the people that bough NVIDIA 10 years ago or GOLD 20 years ago is ultra NSFW ?

DaveRS57566

You're very welcome! Glad to help! This is the perfect time in your life to start saving for your future! If I could go back in time, I would tell my younger self the same thing. Basically, to build an investment portfolio that contains a diverse selection of key investments. Investments that not only look like they are going to rise "to the moon" so to speak, but also some more conservative investments (like index funds that are tied to the performance of the most successful companies), or Bonds that have guaranteed returns, real estate, etc.) to hedge your risk. The best thing about investing in this day and age, is that you don't require a broker like when I was your age. And you can get started with as much or as little money as you can spare. I started day trading just a few years ago on Robinhood, just because it was easy for me. I put at least $100/mo into BTC and others and have recurring purchases set up to automatically execute monthly purchases out of money that gets automatically transferred into my RH investment account so I don't forget. I think you get the idea, you're totally doing the right thing by starting to save for the future now! The only other thing I might have told my younger self, was to buy more gold! Lol. BTC could very well be YOUR GOLD!

OkPatience3922

which is the "true" BTC value? Maybe BTC/GOLD?

Cold-Operation-4974

i want several acres of land and guns and gold bars and a selection of 90s and 2000s automobiles. preferably in a mountainous region within half an hour from a walmart and mcdonalds. what i buy and sell to get there doesnt matter much. i dont really see the point of OWNING shares of Apple over investing in AAPL through a traditional brokerage platform. *(yes i realize that blackrock and fidelity and vanguard get all the voting power to control the corporations and thus control the planet. i never believed BTC was going to change that. i honestly believe BTC was made by the CIA to buy the USA another century of hegemony and give the secret banking families that control the planet more time to take over the world's supply of GOLD because there will be less upward pressure on the price of gold due to all the demand that will shift to BTC. banks have been and will continue to take over the world and governments will continue to do whatever it is banks want as has been the case for the past 500 years. i dont think this ends until jesus comes out of the sky to defeat his enemies. am i crazy. sure. i also bought BTC at $7k and i'd like to learn more about this cold storage thing. but its a bit confusing.)* the same thing goes for gold and bitcoin... though i could see a future where i might want to keep a portion or all of my gold holdings in physical coins buried in the woods... i cannot see a situation where i need to do the same with bitcoin in other words. i see a .0001% chance of a zombie/nuclear/weimar/electromagnetic disaster bringing us to a world where guns and bullets and gold coins reign supreme. it would be very convenient to be holding a box full of gold coins and not GLD shares that are entirely gone. poof. i see a 0% chance of my bitcoin or stocks being useful in that scenario. if the US stock market goes to ZERO... its because there are aliens blasting us with lasers and bioweapons and the only safe places to live are in caves... so BTC in a cold wallet is as useless as BTC on the coinbase platform or BTC in a fidelity ETF.

Stackertotherafters

I was all in on bitcoin, got in mid 2017. Now, I see that having some bitcoin is fine but the true system outside the system is GOLD. I’m happy to answer questions to dig deeper if you would like but I am more convinced than ever that bitcoin is the distraction to take the attention away from what is happening with gold. The fiat system is broken by design, and rapidly devolving into worldwide hyperinflation. A new system must be implemented. But, gold is THE item to carry wealth through time. Bitcoin will exist, sure. But it isn’t the end all be all like many believe.

Narrow-Ad6797

When you say things like this it's insinuated the dollar will not collapse. If that's your point we might hit 7.18 billion ZWL(the hyper inflated zimbabwe dollar) within a year. Assuming the USD stays not collapsed, 50m per coin would mean a market cap of 1.05 QUADRILLION dollars, a little under 3X the entire world's real estate market. Or 67.6X bigger than the market cap of GOLD. No way Jose. No way.

Django_McFly

Plenty of easy money to make in crypto. Some random shitcoin is going up 100%+ everyday. Within the last two year you could have bought $16k BTC. $900 ETH, $10 SOL. BTC is $100k+ today. ETH is $2300 and SOL is like $150. If you couldn't make any money off of that, I don't know what to tell you stop. Actually I do: STOP PICKING ULTIMATE DOG CRAP THEN BLAMING THE MARKET BECAUSE IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU ACTUALLY CAN'T ALCHEMICALLY TRANSMUTE SHIT INTO GOLD. > Bitcoin breaking 100k didn’t give us the Altcoin season we were expecting Ultimate dog shit tokens always die. Always have. Always will. If you think there was no alt season, it just means you picked this cycle's BCH or NANO. You thought AVAX in 2025 would rise from the ashes like ETH in 2021. Unfortunately it turned out to be EOS in 2021 where it showed the world it would never be relevant.

Smooth-Negotiation15

I’m not investing primarily to get rich. I’m stashing money in BTC to escape the inflation and devaluation of fiat currency. Because of endless printing of cash, naturally GOLD & BTC will rise over time. If I get rich, awesome. If I don’t I’ll still be in a better position long term vs being in all cash

Knownblock8

They could ban us from buying more since they program it they could track an monitor every thing don’t comply u get cut sounds like the beast system. No cash want silver nope gold nope bitcoin Nope ! They own you. Maybe not at first but it’s still fiat so no matter what it’s the same system except with out cash. But with cash if I want I can buy silver hide it and who knows if I have it or not. By btc freely. Rn is the time to buy assets BITCOIN GOLD SILVER ACRES OF FARMLAND or don’t and own nothing and be happy

biba8163

> If you bought BTC a year ago for $100 you'd have $110 today BTC was $64K 1 year ago. It's not up 10% in 1-Year, it's up 62%. I could do this math in 3rd grade. - BTC 62% - GOLD 45% - S&P 500 ~9% - QQQ ~9%

bitcoin_islander

The GOLD/BTC 10 year chart will tell you all you need to know

Grunblau

Considered selling paper SLV and GLD and buying tokenized versions like Meld GOLD and SILVER as well. At least buy PSLV if you can.

lloydeph6

now add a 3rd section for GOLD

bitcoin_islander

Show him the GOLD/BTC chart. You're welcome.

bitcoin_islander

Have you ever looked at a long term GOLD/BTC chart? Its a curved line straight down. Learn how to Zoom out.

Helpful-Internal-969

GOLD….wow that give new new meaning to MY ASS IS RICH AS HELL….😂😂😂😂

The1WhoDares

I have plenty of it, well actually I have a few hundred. 300+… its not a bad deal, especially right now. Sol has gone down, but it has been going up. Things are LOOKING really good for the cryptocurrency community right now. U own ANY crypto and u have GOLD fingers. lol, I wish I could buy more, TBH

Knownblock8

It’s BETTER THEN GOLD ITS THE ASSET OF ASSETS…. Do ur due diligence or mock me

dpd11

Ayyy very nice! Check out PLAT/GOLD chart. Plat is so undervalued and will play catch up

dpd11

Suggest you look into rare metals exposure too. Gold, Silver, platinum, palladium are all coming off of range lows compared to SPX (GOLD/SPX chart for example). They should be outperforming SPX especially if 10Y yields keeps rising. We seem to be in a period where commodities will be marked up, hence outperforming the SPX Just a thought…do some chart analysis and see for yourself.

Rent_South

I personally think the US ETFs and the institutional interest has changed the game completely. Just how it changed the game of GOLD when they were created. From that point on, the downwards volatility had been massively reduced.

Lion_Small

NitefeederToken is absolutely primed for a face melting run. This is meta GOLD at 3.5m mc and just over a year old. Team is pushing. Massive game near completion. PEPES ONLY PET. Nitefeeder - Pepe's pet kiwi bird. Found in The Boys Club and Night Riders Comics by matt furie. Zeus is bundled fake garbage and is at 50mc rn. Dont fade or you may pay 🙏🏼

nezeta

GOLD is also inflating. BTC won't ever catch GOLD.

dpd11

You may need a certain level subscription. Where you type in the ticket, type “=BTC/GOLD” and just verify you’re using the correct units (USD vs market cap)

benditbackwards

excellent analysis, we actually should be comparing Bitcoin to GOLD to determine if we are at an ATH compared to gold, and for that we have a ways to go. But all in all ATH really doesn't mean much these days, when you are comparing the hardest asset known to man. Eventually its going to ATH everything else.

NotTheSharpestPenciI

ATH? lmao. No, it isn't. It's dollar that's sinking. BTC/EUR: https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=BTC&to=EUR BTC/GBP: https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=BTC&to=GBP BTC/GOLD: https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=BTC&to=XAU And so on. As a bonus, USD/GOLD: https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=XAU I didn't need you to prove my point because I already unsubbed, but thanks anyway.

Narrow_Tradition467

Not a coin, GOLD. XAUUSD

WVBitcoinBoy

Lmfao. This is GOLD after I watched that YouTube video with her saying this last night. 😂

PutMiserable34

I'm not a stock market investor. I've invested in property....and Ive done well. I heard of bitcoin maybe 10 years ago and almost bought 10 for $A30K....but didn't. I've now invested $A100k in Bitcoin.... planning to just set and forget. I'm hearing now it's soon to crash. Looks like an invest High Risk as unlike property and eg GOLD Bitcoin is not just a set and forget investment. I think I'll sell it now as it looks more a worry.....or reduce it to $A50K

TheModernJedi

However with the Robinhood 5% cash back GOLD card…!

Top_Mind9514

It already is BETTER THAN GOLD, ya Jerky!!

parisien75910

Quite simply because they do what they want with their money. They may have secured, bought GOLD or others. The key is to continue buying when it drops. At least that's what I did.

tobypassquarant

See, it has to have independent value that is transferred cross border and not tied to any country. CBDC's won't work because its still essentially transferring US dollars or Euros etc. You want something that transfers like GOLD, independent of an country's central bank and economy but still has value everywhere you go. It's always telling when governments do something - they never rush to do anything but somehow a lot of them are rushing to hold BTC as part of their reserves in such a short time span? Further, this is a global effect, not only in the USA. Why? Who's advising them? Why do they need it and why is it so important to do this with HASTE when nothing else they do is quick? Politicians are useless unless THEY want something done. On top of this, other issues seem more pressing but they're conveniently being ignored in favor of this. What's the goal? Answering these questions will lead you to a similar idea. Something is happening, and it's never good for the average person. Securing the facilities are easy, it's been done before. Just look at where Blackrock's data centers are... Energy constraints are a non-issue; as our civilization grows and advances, our scientists will continue to develop ways to harness more energy.

BeginningTower2486

So.... nation states are now buying the tulips. Fuckin useless tulips that don't do anything. This doesn't end well. Yes, BTC is up. and it will be up for a long time, but it's not "forever". It lacks utility and real value. We'd be better off holding... get this, GOLD! I know, I know. The gold bugs are insufferable, and they're wrong... but when you think about it at a NATIONAL scale, you know they're right. At that point, it's obvious. Just hold... anything else.

biba8163

> The astute investor uses BTC as a diversifier maybe along with Gold along low cost broad market index funds and tech stocks. > The simpleton thinks BTC should be outperforming every year otherwise it's not a good investment. > The Low IQ investor holds shitcoins which under-perform U.S Treasuries or lose money over medium and long terms | Year | GOLD | BTC |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | 2018 | -1.06% | -73.48% | 2019 | 18.28% | 92% | 2020 | 25.75% | 303.09% | 2021 | -3.73% | 59.71% | 2022 | 2.08% | -64.27 | 2023 | 13.14% | 155.41% | 2024 | 27.20% | 120.98% | 2025 | 27.54 | 2.99% **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) **Only including cryptos that were $100+ Billion marketcaps ~7 years ago (tiny/small caps may outperform when they have little to no value) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 25.19% | QQQ | 15.92% | GOLD | 13.83% | SPY | 9.99% | ETH | 3.24% | XRP | -15.12%

Terrible_Bread_2341

The only other coin besides Bitcoin to buy is GOLD

Key_Friendship_6767

He has invested in the company Garrick gold in the past pal… symbol GOLD lol

MakeItMine2024

For the early responders that seem confused by the analogy. Yes you can break gold into ounces and grams ect and yes BTC into satoshi ( 100 million per BTC). We all know that. I was comparing pound of Gold compared to BTC. Before you get more complicated over a pound and a Troy Pound.. I was referring to a 16 ounce pound not a 12 ounce Troy pound. Depending how you look at it in comparison it takes about 2 pounds of GOLD at current valuations to equal one BTC… and this still makes it significantly more rare than gold. As of April 30, 2025, the spot price of gold is approximately $3,313.61 per troy ounce . Using this figure, we can calculate the price per pound in both standard (avoirdupois) and troy measurements: 💰 Gold Price Per Pound (as of April 30, 2025) • Standard 16-ounce pound (avoirdupois): $3,313.61 × 16 = $53,017.76 • Troy pound (12 troy ounces): $3,313.61 × 12 = $39,763.32 Gold is typically measured in troy ounces, so the troy pound is more commonly used in the precious metals market.

MakeItMine2024

For the early responders that seem confused by the analogy. Yes you can break gold into ounces and grams ect and yes BTC into satoshi ( 100 million per BTC). We all know that. I was comparing pounds of Gold compared to BTC. Before you get more complicated over a pound and a Troy Pound.. I was referring to a 16 ounce pound not a 12 ounce Troy pound. Depending how you look at it in comparison it takes about 2 pounds of GOLD at current valuations to equal one BTC… and this still makes it significantly more rare than gold. As of April 30, 2025, the spot price of gold is approximately $3,313.61 per troy ounce . Using this figure, we can calculate the price per pound in both standard (avoirdupois) and troy measurements:  💰 Gold Price Per Pound (as of April 30, 2025) • Standard 16-ounce pound (avoirdupois): $3,313.61 × 16 = $53,017.76 • Troy pound (12 troy ounces): $3,313.61 × 12 = $39,763.32 Gold is typically measured in troy ounces, so the troy pound is more commonly used in the precious metals market.

biba8163

> ETH performed second best at the current time. So you only want to compare ETH to Shitcoins that lose money? ETH has an annualized return of 3.3% over a ~7 year period. It's a toxic non-performing asset. You could have mad more money in U.S. Treasuries staking fiat at zero risk than holding ETH. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 24.93% | QQQ | 16.82% | GOLD | 13.26% | SPY | 9.91% | ETH | 3.3%

cubestrike

Been diversify my porftolio. end up BEP my loss and just stick to Bitcoin. Trade GOLD last 2 weeks. We good lol

HODL_monk

"If you took that history away, (gold is) just a shiny rock. The dollar is just an ornately designed piece of paper. bitcoin is just some really fancy hash code." Perhaps without even realizing the logic error, you have created a false equivalence between these three items, because you are NOT the US Federal Reserve. Now lets pretend that you ARE the Federal Reserve, and you want more free stuff, because what corrupt government agency doesn't want more money for nothing, and your chicks for free ? And to start your free stuff collection, you decide to make more of each of these three items Gold. Well, its a metal, but its also RARE and indestructible, and you already have a Smaug-level hoard at Ft Knox, but why not get some more ? So, what would you have to do, to find some gold that isn't owned by someone else (obviously you could print more dollars and buy gold with free dollars, but that doesn't MAKE any gold, it just redistributes the existing gold, and drives inflation through the roof) ? You would have to MINE it, from the EARTH, like they did back in the day. And this requires WORK, like REAL WORK, hard, good work, and ain't no lazy-ass banker going to do that, so lets move on. Dollars. Well, here you are in luck, because you don't need a printing press (the Treasury physically controls these, and you can't get one), all you need is your handy, dandy Fed computer, and you press the T key, and another Trillion dollars just pops into your account, easy-peasy, lemon-squeezy ! And then you just take your free  Trillion dollars to ye olde bond market, and you can set that interest rate for money wherever you want, by just buying longer dated (10-30 years) bonds with all your freshly (digitally) printed money. As you might remember, from the pandemic Money-Print-Insanity, when the Fed buys bonds, the price goes up, and the yield on the bonds goes down, thus you can make mortgages have a comically low cost, like 3 % interest low, you know, for the Boomers that want a third house to rent out to the peasants like us, by just printing and spending free money. You can also bail out any corporation, or broke pension fund, or anything, really, its the Midas touch, but for reals here ! But this has a cost, not to the Fed, of course, but to normal Americans, and anyone else holding those fast-inflating dollars, as the number you need to buy any real thing goes up and up, from that raging inflation, that we all know and loathe ! Bitcoin. Well, its just a hash code, but how do you actually MAKE more of that sweet swEET Bitcoin hash code, that YOU actually control the private keys ? Well, actually, you have to work, digitally, I mean. To mine bitcoin, it can only be done by guessing a random hash code before any other miners, that are also trying to guess it, and getting that 10 minute block reward, and how do you guess that hash code ? You run your custom mining computers, that you have to buy, hot, and fast, burning up that REAL electricity, that you have to produce, with some power plants. But even if you use your FREE DOLLARS, to buy those computers, and power plants, there is still a built-in limit, that gold does NOT have, in that you could have thousands of GOLD mines around the world, and look for some Golden Asteroids, if Elon is down for it, but new Bitcoins only come out once every 10 minutes, and only a limited amount of them. This is how Bitcoin is better than both gold and dollars, in that its HARDER to make than either, but especially dollars, and thus, your value stored in Bitcoin cannot be stolen by the Fed, or the Treasury, or anything the corrupt human mind can come up with, and this is important, to not getting your purchasing power inflated away, like you do with dollars.

Less-Information-256

>When BTC becomes 1.2M, it dethrones GOLD and becomes 1st in market cap -- if gold stays at the same price point. Bitcoin stopped increasing faster than gold years ago.

Escapement_Watch

soooo true! There is soooooo MUCH GOLD on earth its crazy!

theycallmekimpembe

Likely never. They are smart people, they have been rich for a while, if they wanted to get in, they could of already done it. Just because the word digital gold is thrown around doesn’t actually make it GOLD. The gold market completely outshines the crypto market by far, and that’s because gold has a long lasting history of value, for Bitcoin to reach that point, not even your grand children would still be alive time wise 😂

JohnBITbigcoin

wBTC is fully usable as a currency , Bitcoin is on the lightning network & many other cryptos are being used daily by people like me I have not speng cash in years I put on a smart contract gaining 30-15000% annual & speed it on a couple key crypto credit cards , Please be informed when responding as this js a 13 year love affair for me so I can debate dverything with fact not fiction!! GOLD is harder to use than 99% of crypto and the oldest store of value so please argue that in comparison !!

biba8163

Reminder to NOOBs that BTC behaves completely different than other classes. BTC zig zags from ~0.5 to ~0.75 correlation to the S&P and NASDAQ to spiking to negative correlation every few months which is oftentimes when it makes its biggest moves up or down. - July 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC tanks. - January 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big. - October 2023. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big BTC is Digital Gold but it does not follow Gold. BTC closely follows the stock market until it doesn't. BTC divergence is why it has outperformed the S&P, NASDAQ, Gold over long periods (7-years) even when it has been a large marketcap of over $250 Billion. - BTC is THE diversifier for out-performance in your portfolios. - Shitcoins are Toxic Assets for under-performance in your portfolios. Shitcoins have a parasitical dependency on BTC, historically have ~0.90 correlation with BTC, under-perform BTC, under-perform S&P/NASDAQ, under-perform Gold, under-perform Treasuries and most of the successful ones are guaranteed to make you lose money. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 1.1% | ADA | -8.5% | XRP | -9.25%

nugymmer

Goes to fucking GOLD.

biba8163

> The imbecile mindset... to buy more eth I wholeheartedly agree with this take - ETH is an non-performing asset mid/long term. If dummies want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice - If you want to earn more than ETH at ZERO risk, then you can stake FIAT which guarantee ~5% returns. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame with relatively large marketcaps* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 21.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 1.21%

biba8163

I am not saying gold is not going to outperform but I wouldn't bet on gold. Gold has artificial scarcity. Gold production tends to increase to meet demand/price. - After gold peak in ~1980, Gold prices were down for over 20+ years. - After gold peak again in ~2011, gold again was down for 7-8 years. You're buying gold now, there is a good chance you are buying at or near the peak again. It takes time investment, mining, infrastructure to be put in place to meet demand/price and after that gold prices staganate for years. Still, since BTC became a large cap with over $250 Billion marketcap in 2017/18, it still has outperformed gold by a lot over a ~7 year time frame. - Comparing 2017/18 ATHs of BTC and ETH over a ~7 year time period which is a good reference point because the S&P 500 doubles every 7 years providing an annual return of ~10%. - BTC outperforms S&P 500 and Gold - ETH is absolute dogshit performance with 1.5% annualized return lagging even U.S Treasuries - Alts. XRP was the only other large cap Alt that reached $100 Billion marketcap, and it's returns a negative annual return over long time frames. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 21% | QQQ | 15% | GOLD | 11% | SPY | 10% | ETH | 1.5% | XRP | -9%

R4ID

> The point is that there is no incentive for financial institutions not to rather create their own blockchain being openly centralized. They've been free to do so for a decade plus, XRP's tech is open source. Yet they arent doing that/ havnt because its not a simple solution and doesnt actually solve the problem Your asking Citigroup to trust BoA to trust wells Fargo to trust HSBC to trust JPMchase... the list goes on and on and one. You cant connect walled gardens without a neutral bridge asset that everyone agrees on, and since none of them trust each other, the network you're fantasizing about doesnt get created. > Not like XRP which is mushy centralized. the fuck is MUSHY centralized.? >Instant SEPA covers 36 countries. And yet it doesnt cover RWA in those countries or any countries outside of it so of what use is it? Notice how I keep giving you the basic example and you're unable to complete it? >. There’s no technical reasons it couldn’t cover all currencies using EUR as transfer currency. that would require them to setup a new corridor in every currency, then pile nostro/vostro capital into those currencies. Then double the problem for each RWA people might want to transfer/trade.... There has to be a buyer in order to sell, and if you have no volume the transaction doesnt exist. >. The decision not to make SEPA global has exactly same issues as XRP has. Name them. >Still. It covers 36 countries and XRP covers 0. XRP has more currency pairs than BTC/ETH combined atm, plus it has RWAs live on chain... I can litterally buy GOLD, STOCKS, BONDS, REALESATE on the XRPL right now, hell I can sell any of them for any currency atm. Just because youre ignorant doesnt mean you get to claim it covers "0" lol >lol as much as you want, but XRP is dead horse for the reasons I have explained. You make claims but you dont provide evidence for them and you cant answer basic follow up questions... lol >Your discussion style calling the opponent stupid and constantly lolling tells a lot about your intelligence. It devolves into calling you stupid when you dont fufill a burden of proof one single time.

cincosaimao

BTC, GOLD ETF, WORLD ETF. Have a few houses also.

SpaceFaceMistake

I hope so would be good this is happening faster than we all expected we all expected this in 2028 the whole opening $BTC up into government and having world wide governments selling and using dollars or GOLD to acquire it ASAP!

_Commando_

U.S. WHITE HOUSE SAYS GOLD RESERVES MAY BE USED TO PURCHASE BITCOIN. Oh sh't buckle up 📈🚀

KezAzzamean

lol the USA isn’t selling GOLD for shitty crypto.

Yellowstove99

INVEST IN BTC NOT CRYPTO & DONT BUY GOLD TODAY.. think about gold next year until then.. stack some btc

biba8163

Shitcoiners like you like to use copium math by cherry picking a time when an asset -95% to the lowest value to show it performs great. See ETH, XRP, ADA and all the shitcoins that are still at 2017/18 prices or lower. Or when a shitcoin have little to no value and was a small marketcap. **Investors that make money like to hold assets that consistently appreciate over the long term so we look at ATHs.** - Comparing 2017/18 ATHs of BTC and ETH over a ~7 year time period which is a good reference point because the S&P 500 doubles every 7 years providing an annual return of ~10%. - BTC outperforms S&P 500 and Gold - ETH is absolute dogshit performance with 3.24% annualized return lagging even U.S Treasuries - Scams like ADA, XRP actually result in losses over long time horizons **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 21% | QQQ | 15% | GOLD | 11% | SPY | 10% | ETH | 1% | ADA | -9% | XRP | -11%

Numerous_Ruin_4947

BITCOIN is GOLD For now. But it's early days. What will Bitcoin look like 20-30 years from now? Bitcoin's finite supply coupled with halving miner rewards every 4 years will be a trainwreck eventually. 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64, 1/128, 1/256, 1/512, 1/1024...

biba8163

- ETH is a toxic on-performing asset mid/long term. If you want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice. - If you want to lose money to inflation ETH is an excellent choice - If you want to earn less than staking FIAT which guarantee ~5% returns, ETH is an excellent choice letting you earn less money than the rate of inflation **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* when cryptos were valued at tens of hundred+ billion dollar valuations** (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 21.69% | QQQ | 14.46% | GOLD | 12.03% | SPY | 8.46% | **ETH** | **1.79%**

biba8163

> If bitcoin drops, ethereum will drop - ETH is a toxic on-performing asset mid/long term. If you want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice. - If you want to lose money to inflation ETH is an excellent choice - If you want to earn less than staking FIAT which guarantee ~5% returns, ETH is an excellent choice letting you earn less money than the rate of inflation **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* when cryptos were valued at tens of hundred+ dollar valuations** (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 21.69% | QQQ | 14.46% | GOLD | 12.03% | SPY | 8.46% | ETH | 1.79%

Daily-Trader-247

Digital GOLD 🤩

PhillyNJMusicMan

Overall, since 2010, It topped off at $1800-1900 around 2011 and, after dipping for YEARS, took nearly a whole decade just to get back in that neighborhood again. It's only been the last couple years that it's actually started performing the way it should've been that entire time as an asset. The reason for all of that is the paper gold on portfolios, uncertainty of the actual supply, and the fact that all makes it so easy to manipulate price wise. Do I prefer physical gold? Absolutely, if I were going to own it, but the sad part is that the paper gold and manipulation to the quoted supply/price hurts gold regardless of whether you own it just on a portfolio or physically. I think it's also been manipulated even more recently by the banks just to stay higher than Bitcoin, so, for all of those reasons... I DON'T TRUST GOLD ANYMORE. With Bitcoin and Real Estate, I see no reason to have gold. It's the inferior asset of those 3, in my opinion. If you own all 3 is that a bad thing? Nahh of course not, but you better own Bitcoin and/or real estate first if you're smart.

DBRiMatt

BTC and GOLD ftw!

biba8163

> ETH and BTC are some of the assets best positioned to weather the geopolitical storm. Even fiat cash isn’t safe from devaluation. Anyone still lumping BTC and ETH in the same sentence is either a bagholding shill. Reminder that BTC behaves completely different than other classes. BTC zig zags from ~0.5 to ~0.75 correlation to the S&P and NASDAQ to spiking to negative correlation every few months which is oftentimes when it makes its biggest moves up or down. - July 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC tanks. - January 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big. - October 2023. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big BTC is Digital Gold but it does not follow Gold. BTC closely follows the stock market until it doesn't. BTC divergence is why it has outperformed the S&P, NASDAQ, Gold over long periods (7-years) even when it has been a large marketcap of over $250 Billion. - BTC is THE diversifier for out-performance in your portfolios. - Shitcoins are Toxic Assets for under-performance in your portfolios. Shitcoins have a parasitical dependency on BTC, historically have ~0.90 correlation with BTC, under-perform BTC, under-perform S&P/NASDAQ, under-perform Gold, under-perform Treasuries and most of the successful ones are guaranteed to make you lose money. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 3.24% | ADA | -7.5% | XRP | -8.24%

biba8163

Reminder that BTC behaves completely different than other classes. BTC zig zags from ~0.5 to ~0.75 correlation to the S&P and NASDAQ to spiking to negative correlation every few months which is oftentimes when it makes its biggest moves up or down. - July 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC tanks. - January 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big. - October 2023. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big BTC is Digital Gold but it does not follow Gold. BTC closely follows the stock market until it doesn't. BTC divergence is why it has outperformed the S&P, NASDAQ, Gold over long periods (7-years) even when it has been a large marketcap of over $250 Billion. - BTC is THE diversifier for out-performance in your portfolios. - Shitcoins are Toxic Assets for under-performance in your portfolios. Shitcoins have a parasitical dependency on BTC, historically have ~0.90 correlation with BTC, under-perform BTC, under-perform S&P/NASDAQ, under-perform Gold, under-perform Treasuries and most of the successful ones are guaranteed to make you lose money. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 3.24% | ADA | -7.5% | XRP | -8.24%

biba8163

> comparing their loss from ATH is bad data to prove your point. Coping Shitcoiners like you like to use copium math by cherry picking a time when an asset -95% to the lowest value to show it performs great. **Investors that make money like to hold assets that consistently appreciate over the long term so we look at ATHs.** - Comparing 2017/18 ATHs of BTC and ETH over a ~7 year time period which is a good reference point because the S&P 500 doubles every 7 years providing an annual return of ~10%. - BTC outperforms S&P 500 and Gold - ETH is absolute dogshit performance with 3.24% annualized return lagging even U.S Treasuries - Scams like ADA, XRP actually result in losses over long time horizons **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4% | ADA | -7.5% | XRP | -8.24%

DBRiMatt

If only I had a BTC/GOLD portfolio. Instead I went BTC/ETH.

thranetrain

Rephrased: As long as we're adding zeros to the BTC/GOLD ratio 😀

Every_Hunt_160

Binance making GOLD out of our SHITcoin exit liquidity

Adventurous_Funny791

Buy GOLD mate! You would protect your money from inflation 

LandoGoinRambo

Bitcoin dam sure ain’t GOLD

biba8163

> Ethereum is dead, until it's not *ETH is not dead but like all 2-Cycle Shitcoins, it's shitting the bed* - There are ZERO Alts today that are above ATHs they reached in previous cycles. - There are ZERO Alts have reached new ATHs in 2024/25 when adjusted for inflation. - There are ZERO Alts have hit ATHs in 3 cycles when adjusted for inflation. *ETH is not dead but it's a 2-Cycle Shitcoin that will put you in the red* ETH is an underperforming/non-performing asset mid/long term. If dummies want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice. If you want to earn just as much as ETH at ZERO risk, then you can stake FIAT which guarantee ~5% returns. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame with relatively large marketcaps* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4%

ryan69plank

two reasons, GOLD is at all time highs and preforming so BTC is holding fast with gold. if gold was to fall back too $2,500 I think you would see BTC fall under 60k. second reason is QE is about to launch and we're in a rate cutting cycle now where BTC must increase against M2 money supply. If the FED was still in a rate lifting cycle then BTC would be falling alot harder into the 70k or lower regions. There is mainly just not enough supply right now for the multiple large players on wall street like Blackrock and micro strategy also they passed new regulation allowing banks to hold spot BTC so JP, Morgan Stanly, HSBC, and other European banks are looking to the OTC markets right now to get their slice of the pie. Yes they want to crash the price of BTC so they can load up take custody off Retail and price is going to push up when OTC supply dries out and they have to buy off exchanges. that will likely come over the next few years. in the short term we have to get through this stock market correction and also a USA recession, I don't know how long the recession will last because they really need to increase wages for people in this adjusted Inflationary environment, only way to do that is to drop business loans back under 4% so business can borrow more money and pay employees higher wages. couple unknowns are the AI offset of jobs how many jobs will be lost vs new people being employed.... 2026 could be an interesting year but I think before EOY this year BTC is likely to Bottom out my pick would be July it bottoms, it might slip more depending on economic recession data later around September so will see, I am however thinking of taking my first DCA trade into IBIT in early July then Taking a secondary DCA trade into IBIT in September, I will then take a 3rd either around late November or January to February in 2026 after economic assessment. BTC has one direction over the next 5 years which is up. but in the short term right now it's likely to fall lower. if your at a loss right now check back on BTC mid 2026, and plan to buy in September this year to lower your average.

Savi321

Crazy right? A research paper in 1995 said that by 2050, at least one stock listed on the NYSE could overtake the GOLD market cap. And to think that Bitcoin may end up doing that far before any stock. And..and.. Bitcoin did not even exist in 1995.

Pickle_Status

Thanks for the news, Gold rises 20% every 6 months on average so for me, it is Always up. Every week, I mean it, Every. Single. Week- I buy more gold. Bitcoin in the act of going down, is the reason we buy it. I buy bitcoin by selling Gold ETFs that have aged in my account instead of using money from my wallet. This is my plan and execution. This is how I roll. Buy Gold, wait for a bit, buy bitcoin when it drops, but always buy GOLD. Always.

Pickle_Status

My neighbor, justin is a 56 year old gold salesman. He lives a cross the street. He works with people who want to buy the physical thing but you must pay him 5% more for the service. Long story short, it's more risky to go the physical way and will hurt your wallet. He also tells me the jewelery stores will not buy his gold at the correct price ever. There will always be a fee at the bank for it too. It's not free to trade in your bars, you seem just uninformed... but it is free to hold GOLD it in a TFSA in ETF form it is also safer. It is also 0% to withdraw or deposit and 0% conversion fees. What happens if someone trys to steal your physical gold? My grandpa got mugged in Scarborough by 30 black men in a truck. They took over 30K worth of gold but he only got 10K back from the government. So tell me what is safer or better, it won't change my mind. I been playing this game for a while, winning at it. The gold etf game strong.

biba8163

This is you regurgitating Shitcoin and mETH Head narratives: > Remember, late December, early Jan is when ETH and alts start climbing. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hhfmsi/daily_crypto_discussion_december_19_2024_gmt0/m2rdoto/ > Not really, ETH has always been a slow grower. It’s typically dumped until late Jan every cycle and has been red for almost every single December from 2016. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1i00w01/daily_crypto_discussion_january_13_2025_gmt0/m6wgoac/ This is me warning noobs and mETH Heads, that's not what's happening: > Noobs who weren't around in 2016 and 2020, you should know that 2024 looks very very different so far than at this time frame in 2016 and 2020. (Nov. 5, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gkfvzs/bitcoin_price_crushing_altcoins_heading_into_us/lvlrry1/ > The market is changing: ETFs, MSTR, etc account for a lot of the inflows. This money is not going to leave BTC seeking greater return on Alts (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1gq6ahm/daily_general_discussion_november_13_2024/lwymxl9/ > Each cycle is a bit different. Too many people are saying, just hold on to your coins, it's playing out exactly the same. (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gqexix/why_are_there_so_few_active_users_when_btc_is_at/lwxx36a/ > Be careful of people telling you this cycle is playing out exactly the same. ETFs, institutional and mainstream involvement, memecoins, L2 options and ETH competitors, it's very different (Nov. 19, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gujmk1/daily_crypto_discussion_november_19_2024_gmt0/lxyt5pw/ Are people like you are really clueless looking at the data right in front of your eyes and still think the pattern is repeating: | ETH | Dec | Jan | Feb | March |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | 2020/21 | 20%| 78% | 7% | 35% | 2024/25 | -10%| -1% | -32% | -14% And I've warned noobs like you again and again, ETH is a Shitcoin Alt and it is waay overvalued: > Long term ALL Alts follow the same trend and fall below the initial BTC value they started at. Pretty much all the older Alts, even the most successful fall below this value. ETH is also trending long term to fall below this value. People talk about historic trends, patterns and cycles but this has been the only 1 undisputed and unbroken pattern for 14 years. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fgzm3z/daily_crypto_discussion_september_15_2024_gmt0/ln9gkl4/ | | Initial | High | Current | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:|------------:| | LTC | 0.03 BTC| 0.048 BTC | 0.001 BTC | XRP | 5,594 SATS| 22,500 SATS | 940 SATS | XMR | 0.005 BTC| 0.035 BTC | 0.0029 BTC | ETH | 0.01 BTC | 0.15 BTC | 0.041 BTC ETH is an underperforming/non-performing asset mid/long term. If dummies want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice. If you want to earn just as much as ETH at ZERO risk, then you can stake FIAT which guarantee ~5% returns. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4%

hypurco4335

What happened to GOLD during the crash?

Dependent_Mail9195

For bitcoin to go as high you guys dream of, you would need a hyperinflationary collapse of most main currencies (mostly USD). Google it!! A hyperinflationary collapse is a severe economic downturn caused by runaway inflation. It can lead to widespread poverty, social unrest, and the destruction of financial systems.  How it happens: Hoarding: People buy and store goods to avoid paying higher prices later. This can lead to shortages of basic necessities like food and medicine.  Currency devaluation: The value of the local currency drops in relation to other currencies.  Bankruptcy: Banks go out of business when people stop making deposits and loans lose value.  Government debt: The government prints more money to pay its bills, which worsens inflation.  Consequences: Unemployment: Companies fold due to rising prices and mass unemployment occurs.  Economic refugees: People flee the country to seek stability in other nations.  Barter economy: People trade goods directly instead of using money.  Social unrest: People resort to crime and violence to feed their families.  Examples: The hyperinflation crisis in Germany during the Weimar Republic in the 1920s Now when this happen, EVERYTHING go up!! Including food and energy and people need more money then ever to just survive!! Considering BTC actually need energy to function, explain to me how "fart coin BTC" would become a priority for a starving population unable to put gaz in their car? See, all these BTC exchange take advantage of people like you that have no economic litteracy; it is sad to see!! Even if BTC would somehow "replace" the USD as the world reserve currency (reference) like you fanatic wet dream about, BTC would NEVER win against GOLD!!! "what is in your treasure captain?" "Gold!!!" What is in your treasure pirate?" "tradable digital nothingness! wanna trade?" Captain: "NOPE!!"

Dependent_Mail9195

For bitcoin to go to high you guys dream of, you would need a hyperinflationary collapse of most main currencies (mostly USD). Google it!! A hyperinflationary collapse is a severe economic downturn caused by runaway inflation. It can lead to widespread poverty, social unrest, and the destruction of financial systems.  How it happens Hoarding People buy and store goods to avoid paying higher prices later. This can lead to shortages of basic necessities like food and medicine.  Currency devaluation The value of the local currency drops in relation to other currencies.  Bankruptcy Banks go out of business when people stop making deposits and loans lose value.  Government debt The government prints more money to pay its bills, which worsens inflation.  Consequences Unemployment: Companies fold due to rising prices and mass unemployment occurs.  Economic refugees: People flee the country to seek stability in other nations.  Barter economy: People trade goods directly instead of using money.  Social unrest: People resort to crime and violence to feed their families.  Examples  The hyperinflation crisis in Germany during the Weimar Republic in the 1920s Now if this happen, EVERYTHING go up!! Including food and energy and people need more money then ever to just survive!! Considering BTC actually need energy to function, explain to me how "fart coin BTC" would become a priority for a starving population unable to put gaz in their car? See, all these BTC exchange take advantage of people like you that have no economic litteracy; it is sad to see!! Even if BTC would somehow "replace" the USD as the world reserve currency (reference) like you fanatic wet dream about, BTC would NEVER win against GOLD!!! "what is in your treasure captain?" "Gold!!!" What is in your treasure pirate?" "tradable digital nothingness! wanna trade?" Captain: "NOPE!!"

biba8163

ETH is basically an underperforming/non-performing asset mid/long term. If you want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4%

biba8163

ETH is basically an underperforming/non-performing asset. You have to determine if the Risk/Reward for such an under-performing asset is worth it. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4% | ADA | -5.75% | XRP | -7.6%

biba8163

**Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4% | ADA | -5.75% | XRP | -7.6%

Ok-Image1782

The economy was in a bubble since the 40's ...the commercial real estate and housing markets are trash AUTO MARKET TRASH... swindlers and thieves have been selling out the American people since the creation of the FED.. TAKE THE DOLLAR OFF OF GOLD.. Blockchain adoption will help correct the manipulation of fiat currency while giving the overlords a new toy to manipulate. expect volatility as the old system is done away with and the new system goes online one piece at a time... Crypto is quite literally a digital prison ESPECIALLY WITH STABLECOINS.. I'm just glad to be a part of the early stages and blessed to be given the opportunity to make money... Right now is quite literally the easiest time to make money.. any of the top crypto at a discount and wait... I THINK BLAMING TRUMP FOR SOME SHORT TERM DISCOUNTS IS HYPOCRISY AT ITS FINEST BECAUSE WHEN BLOCKCHAIN GOES PARABOLIC AND ADOPTED INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.. NO ONE WILL GOVE HIM CREDIT AND PROBABLY FIND SOMETHING MEANINGLESS TO BITCH ABOUT ..

BraidRuner

Take my upvote...this is GOLD oh and Fuck you (Jamie Dimon)

CryptoCryBubba

"I like Bitcoin.... I really do. They say it's like digital gold. DIGITAL GOLD... can you believe it. That's what they're saying... Digital Gold. By the way, we're going to stockpile it. That was David's idea. David Sacks. He's the greatest crypto czar we've ever had."

Lost-Trouble-4971

This is RADIOFUTUR.... live for you. The only radio in the world that invites you to invest your money today or tomorrow because yesterday is too late..... yes but why not invest it all at once, BTC has less than 100k?!??? But the 100k are the cents of the next world currency... BTC and digital GOLD today... in 2318, we celebrated the Tercentenary not long ago... it started after the war.... There was a Boys' War a long time ago. Yen had had plenty before too. But the mothers won. And instead of giving power back to their idiot kids. They said to themselves “if it’s good for mothers it’s good for their children” so they kept power and banned boys from having weapons... and with the pay that has been there since then BTC has exploded ... So It was RADIOFUTUR The only radio in the world that invites you to invest your money today or tomorrow because yesterday is too late..... The 1st page on the coffee of the future a black sock juice without recycled betrave.. 1230k … …. It’s not expensive isn’t it 🤪

Lost-Trouble-4971

This is RADIOFUTUR…. live for you. The only radio in the world that invites you to invest your money today or tomorrow because yesterday is too late….. yes but why not invest it all at once, BTC has less than 100k?!??? But the 100k are the cents of the next world currency... BTC and digital GOLD today... in 2318, we celebrated the Tercentenary not long ago... There was a Boys' War a long time ago. Yen had had plenty before too. But the women won. And instead of giving power back to their idiot kids. They said to themselves “if it’s good for mothers then it’s good for their children” so they kept power and banned boys from having weapons… and with the pay that has been there since then BTC has exploded… So It was RADIOFUTUR The only radio in the world that invites you to invest your money today or tomorrow because yesterday is too late…..

CFSouza74

People, the market is like that. The Great Depression of '29, the Dot-Com Bubble, the 2008 Crisis - everything was caused by the daydreams of someone who bewitched the markets. The secret is to understand what really is a “play” and what is “fact”. In my humble opinion: 1. MicroStrategy is investing in BTC because of a well-founded investment theory - fact. 2. Trump has a real intention of making reserves in BTC or other cryptos and already has a bill for that - fact. 3. Dollar is fiat and inconvertible currency - in a crisis there are only two ways out - GOLD or BTC - fact. Having said that, my theory of investing in BTC is - buy for the fact (potential reserve of value of the currency) and sell in the term - in 5 years accomplish what you have to accomplish.

Embarrassed-Wear-414

This post is GOLD

peekitup

Most libertarian crypto fucks don't trust the government to manage a pothole and yet are on board with them properly securing a bitcoin wallet? Not. Your. Keys. Not. Your. Coins. HUR DUR THEY KEEP GOLD RESERVES ITS THE SAME If the gold gets stolen or lost you have a much better chance of recovering the gold.

Select-Let8637

"The existence of leverage is why DeFi can earn yields on stables" " leverage trading in crypto, there would be much less yield to keep stables on chain." No seriously no there is an entire sector of stablecoins that get yeild from bonds not risky defi yeild. Which also has decent yeild. It really isn't that hard to look for them. Flux Finance from ONDO. Which gets yeild from normal assets bonds etc. The yeild is lower at 4.8% but it isn't effected by the broader crypto market so it won't dump during a bear market https://fluxfinance.com/ Ondo usdy which has a 4.35% yeild. Bonds https://ondo.finance/usdy Paxos Lift Dollar (from the same guys that made PAX GOLD) Uses yeild from normal stuff like bonds with a 3.35 Apr Mountain PROTOCOL does the same thing but has a higher Apr at 4.7% Angle.money Holdinh usdc on the coinbase wallet app and get 4.1% apy. You'll get usdc sent on chain to your wallet every month coinbase works with circle the issues of usdc.  https://x.com/CoinbaseWallet/status/1859286084535906744 Many yeild bearing services in crypto do not use defi leverage as a form of yeild. Saying how the entire system is built on leverage, I dunno. But stating how "all stablecoins get their yeild from leverage and would be nothing without it is simply not true.

Select-Let8637

Obviously it could fail. I only put in what I can risk and most of my porfolio is usdc. "Such as?" Hold hup There are apps like fluid instapp where you can lend usdc for an 9% apy on ethereum/base via defi. [https://fluid.instadapp.io/lending/1](https://fluid.instadapp.io/lending/1) Or use stuff like **Flux Finance** from ONDO. Which gets yeild from normal assets bonds etc. The yeild is lower at 4.8% but it isn't effected by the broader crypto market so it won't dump during a bear market [https://fluxfinance.com/](https://fluxfinance.com/) Or you can put your usdc and usdt in liquidity pools and earn fees from people doing swaps. Though the Apr is a bit low right now at 2%. [https://de.fi/opportunity/protocol/uniswap-v3/ethereum/usdc+usdt](https://de.fi/opportunity/protocol/uniswap-v3/ethereum/usdc+usdt) Or you can use yeild bearing stablecoin some of it is defi related and has higher yeild like sUSDS (formerly DAI) with 8.75% yeild. [https://app.spark.fi/](https://app.spark.fi/) Or usde with 9% apy [https://ethena.fi/](https://ethena.fi/) These come with more risk essentially as whilst the yeild is good who knows if this coins will continue to survive, personally though I wouldn't be worried about usds as usds/DAI has been around forever and the guys over there are legit. And fluidistaap is legit imo they got funding from coinbase. **Paxos Lift Dollar (from the same guys that made PAX GOLD)** Uses yeild from normal stuff like bonds with a 3.35 Apr Mountain PROTOCOL does the same thing but has a higher Apr at 4.7% [**Angle.money**](http://Angle.money) A mix of real estate and other assets. The apy is around 9%. Ondo usdy which has a 4.35% yeild. [https://ondo.finance/usdy](https://ondo.finance/usdy) Or if you just don't want to do any of that you can hold usdc on the coinbase wallet app and get 4.1% apy. You'll get usdc sent on chain to your wallet every month coinbase works with circle the issues of usdc. You just have to use the coinbase wallet app, hold usdc on ethereum network/base/abritum/polygon and activate the yeild. [https://x.com/CoinbaseWallet/status/1859286084535906744](https://x.com/CoinbaseWallet/status/1859286084535906744)

biba8163

> *"I’m 20 years old and just put 20k into bitcoin what do I do now?"* > Take most of it back out, invest it in a diverse portfolio of good altcoins. Telling a 20-year old to take $20K out of Bitcoin and put into into Altcoins is the worst possible advice anyone can be given. OP isn't qualified to give advice and leading someone off a cliff that almost guarantees they lose most of their money. Bitcoin is not guaranteed to always outperform and is risky but Alts are almost all guarantee to lose the vast majority of your money. The 20-year old who asked the question has a lot more common sense than the OP. - There are ZERO Alts today that are above ATHs they reached in previous cycles. ZERO - There are ZERO Alts have reached new ATHs in 2024/25 when adjusted for inflation. ZERO - There are ZERO Alts have hit ATHs in 3 cycles when adjusted for inflation. ZERO Good advice would be to tell a 20-yr old that do diversify with other assets and use BTC as a diversifier. BTC outperforms stocks, bonds, gold, REITs over long time frames but BTC outpeformance is not guaranteed. Alll Alts after they gain a decent marketcap, vastly underperform BTC and even stock indices like SPY and QQQ. Hell Alts even underperform gold. Even the most successful Alts like ETH are good for 2 cycles and that's it. Other successful Alts like XRP and ADA are approaching a decade of lost investing. Rule of 72: Dividing 72 by the annual rate of return gives investors an estimate of how many years it will take for the initial investment to double. Investing in the S&P 500 Index, stocks have climbed about 10% a year for the last 50 years, doubling just about every 7 years. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* | | Dec/Jan 2017/18 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | ETH | 82%| 9.25% | ADA | -32%|-5.2% | XRP | -33%|-5.7%

etherd0t

marging trading + hghly volatile "assets" like memeshitcoins = GOLD for exchange (liquidations) let them eat cake!