GOLD

cubestrike

Been diversify my porftolio. end up BEP my loss and just stick to Bitcoin. Trade GOLD last 2 weeks. We good lol

HODL_monk

"If you took that history away, (gold is) just a shiny rock. The dollar is just an ornately designed piece of paper. bitcoin is just some really fancy hash code." Perhaps without even realizing the logic error, you have created a false equivalence between these three items, because you are NOT the US Federal Reserve. Now lets pretend that you ARE the Federal Reserve, and you want more free stuff, because what corrupt government agency doesn't want more money for nothing, and your chicks for free ? And to start your free stuff collection, you decide to make more of each of these three items Gold. Well, its a metal, but its also RARE and indestructible, and you already have a Smaug-level hoard at Ft Knox, but why not get some more ? So, what would you have to do, to find some gold that isn't owned by someone else (obviously you could print more dollars and buy gold with free dollars, but that doesn't MAKE any gold, it just redistributes the existing gold, and drives inflation through the roof) ? You would have to MINE it, from the EARTH, like they did back in the day. And this requires WORK, like REAL WORK, hard, good work, and ain't no lazy-ass banker going to do that, so lets move on. Dollars. Well, here you are in luck, because you don't need a printing press (the Treasury physically controls these, and you can't get one), all you need is your handy, dandy Fed computer, and you press the T key, and another Trillion dollars just pops into your account, easy-peasy, lemon-squeezy ! And then you just take your free  Trillion dollars to ye olde bond market, and you can set that interest rate for money wherever you want, by just buying longer dated (10-30 years) bonds with all your freshly (digitally) printed money. As you might remember, from the pandemic Money-Print-Insanity, when the Fed buys bonds, the price goes up, and the yield on the bonds goes down, thus you can make mortgages have a comically low cost, like 3 % interest low, you know, for the Boomers that want a third house to rent out to the peasants like us, by just printing and spending free money. You can also bail out any corporation, or broke pension fund, or anything, really, its the Midas touch, but for reals here ! But this has a cost, not to the Fed, of course, but to normal Americans, and anyone else holding those fast-inflating dollars, as the number you need to buy any real thing goes up and up, from that raging inflation, that we all know and loathe ! Bitcoin. Well, its just a hash code, but how do you actually MAKE more of that sweet swEET Bitcoin hash code, that YOU actually control the private keys ? Well, actually, you have to work, digitally, I mean. To mine bitcoin, it can only be done by guessing a random hash code before any other miners, that are also trying to guess it, and getting that 10 minute block reward, and how do you guess that hash code ? You run your custom mining computers, that you have to buy, hot, and fast, burning up that REAL electricity, that you have to produce, with some power plants. But even if you use your FREE DOLLARS, to buy those computers, and power plants, there is still a built-in limit, that gold does NOT have, in that you could have thousands of GOLD mines around the world, and look for some Golden Asteroids, if Elon is down for it, but new Bitcoins only come out once every 10 minutes, and only a limited amount of them. This is how Bitcoin is better than both gold and dollars, in that its HARDER to make than either, but especially dollars, and thus, your value stored in Bitcoin cannot be stolen by the Fed, or the Treasury, or anything the corrupt human mind can come up with, and this is important, to not getting your purchasing power inflated away, like you do with dollars.

Less-Information-256

>When BTC becomes 1.2M, it dethrones GOLD and becomes 1st in market cap -- if gold stays at the same price point. Bitcoin stopped increasing faster than gold years ago.

Escapement_Watch

soooo true! There is soooooo MUCH GOLD on earth its crazy!

theycallmekimpembe

Likely never. They are smart people, they have been rich for a while, if they wanted to get in, they could of already done it. Just because the word digital gold is thrown around doesn’t actually make it GOLD. The gold market completely outshines the crypto market by far, and that’s because gold has a long lasting history of value, for Bitcoin to reach that point, not even your grand children would still be alive time wise 😂

JohnBITbigcoin

wBTC is fully usable as a currency , Bitcoin is on the lightning network & many other cryptos are being used daily by people like me I have not speng cash in years I put on a smart contract gaining 30-15000% annual & speed it on a couple key crypto credit cards , Please be informed when responding as this js a 13 year love affair for me so I can debate dverything with fact not fiction!! GOLD is harder to use than 99% of crypto and the oldest store of value so please argue that in comparison !!

biba8163

Reminder to NOOBs that BTC behaves completely different than other classes. BTC zig zags from ~0.5 to ~0.75 correlation to the S&P and NASDAQ to spiking to negative correlation every few months which is oftentimes when it makes its biggest moves up or down. - July 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC tanks. - January 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big. - October 2023. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big BTC is Digital Gold but it does not follow Gold. BTC closely follows the stock market until it doesn't. BTC divergence is why it has outperformed the S&P, NASDAQ, Gold over long periods (7-years) even when it has been a large marketcap of over $250 Billion. - BTC is THE diversifier for out-performance in your portfolios. - Shitcoins are Toxic Assets for under-performance in your portfolios. Shitcoins have a parasitical dependency on BTC, historically have ~0.90 correlation with BTC, under-perform BTC, under-perform S&P/NASDAQ, under-perform Gold, under-perform Treasuries and most of the successful ones are guaranteed to make you lose money. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 1.1% | ADA | -8.5% | XRP | -9.25%

nugymmer

Goes to fucking GOLD.

biba8163

> The imbecile mindset... to buy more eth I wholeheartedly agree with this take - ETH is an non-performing asset mid/long term. If dummies want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice - If you want to earn more than ETH at ZERO risk, then you can stake FIAT which guarantee ~5% returns. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame with relatively large marketcaps* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 21.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 1.21%

biba8163

I am not saying gold is not going to outperform but I wouldn't bet on gold. Gold has artificial scarcity. Gold production tends to increase to meet demand/price. - After gold peak in ~1980, Gold prices were down for over 20+ years. - After gold peak again in ~2011, gold again was down for 7-8 years. You're buying gold now, there is a good chance you are buying at or near the peak again. It takes time investment, mining, infrastructure to be put in place to meet demand/price and after that gold prices staganate for years. Still, since BTC became a large cap with over $250 Billion marketcap in 2017/18, it still has outperformed gold by a lot over a ~7 year time frame. - Comparing 2017/18 ATHs of BTC and ETH over a ~7 year time period which is a good reference point because the S&P 500 doubles every 7 years providing an annual return of ~10%. - BTC outperforms S&P 500 and Gold - ETH is absolute dogshit performance with 1.5% annualized return lagging even U.S Treasuries - Alts. XRP was the only other large cap Alt that reached $100 Billion marketcap, and it's returns a negative annual return over long time frames. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 21% | QQQ | 15% | GOLD | 11% | SPY | 10% | ETH | 1.5% | XRP | -9%

R4ID

> The point is that there is no incentive for financial institutions not to rather create their own blockchain being openly centralized. They've been free to do so for a decade plus, XRP's tech is open source. Yet they arent doing that/ havnt because its not a simple solution and doesnt actually solve the problem Your asking Citigroup to trust BoA to trust wells Fargo to trust HSBC to trust JPMchase... the list goes on and on and one. You cant connect walled gardens without a neutral bridge asset that everyone agrees on, and since none of them trust each other, the network you're fantasizing about doesnt get created. > Not like XRP which is mushy centralized. the fuck is MUSHY centralized.? >Instant SEPA covers 36 countries. And yet it doesnt cover RWA in those countries or any countries outside of it so of what use is it? Notice how I keep giving you the basic example and you're unable to complete it? >. There’s no technical reasons it couldn’t cover all currencies using EUR as transfer currency. that would require them to setup a new corridor in every currency, then pile nostro/vostro capital into those currencies. Then double the problem for each RWA people might want to transfer/trade.... There has to be a buyer in order to sell, and if you have no volume the transaction doesnt exist. >. The decision not to make SEPA global has exactly same issues as XRP has. Name them. >Still. It covers 36 countries and XRP covers 0. XRP has more currency pairs than BTC/ETH combined atm, plus it has RWAs live on chain... I can litterally buy GOLD, STOCKS, BONDS, REALESATE on the XRPL right now, hell I can sell any of them for any currency atm. Just because youre ignorant doesnt mean you get to claim it covers "0" lol >lol as much as you want, but XRP is dead horse for the reasons I have explained. You make claims but you dont provide evidence for them and you cant answer basic follow up questions... lol >Your discussion style calling the opponent stupid and constantly lolling tells a lot about your intelligence. It devolves into calling you stupid when you dont fufill a burden of proof one single time.

cincosaimao

BTC, GOLD ETF, WORLD ETF. Have a few houses also.

SpaceFaceMistake

I hope so would be good this is happening faster than we all expected we all expected this in 2028 the whole opening $BTC up into government and having world wide governments selling and using dollars or GOLD to acquire it ASAP!

_Commando_

U.S. WHITE HOUSE SAYS GOLD RESERVES MAY BE USED TO PURCHASE BITCOIN. Oh sh't buckle up 📈🚀

KezAzzamean

lol the USA isn’t selling GOLD for shitty crypto.

Yellowstove99

INVEST IN BTC NOT CRYPTO & DONT BUY GOLD TODAY.. think about gold next year until then.. stack some btc

biba8163

Shitcoiners like you like to use copium math by cherry picking a time when an asset -95% to the lowest value to show it performs great. See ETH, XRP, ADA and all the shitcoins that are still at 2017/18 prices or lower. Or when a shitcoin have little to no value and was a small marketcap. **Investors that make money like to hold assets that consistently appreciate over the long term so we look at ATHs.** - Comparing 2017/18 ATHs of BTC and ETH over a ~7 year time period which is a good reference point because the S&P 500 doubles every 7 years providing an annual return of ~10%. - BTC outperforms S&P 500 and Gold - ETH is absolute dogshit performance with 3.24% annualized return lagging even U.S Treasuries - Scams like ADA, XRP actually result in losses over long time horizons **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 21% | QQQ | 15% | GOLD | 11% | SPY | 10% | ETH | 1% | ADA | -9% | XRP | -11%

Numerous_Ruin_4947

BITCOIN is GOLD For now. But it's early days. What will Bitcoin look like 20-30 years from now? Bitcoin's finite supply coupled with halving miner rewards every 4 years will be a trainwreck eventually. 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64, 1/128, 1/256, 1/512, 1/1024...

biba8163

- ETH is a toxic on-performing asset mid/long term. If you want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice. - If you want to lose money to inflation ETH is an excellent choice - If you want to earn less than staking FIAT which guarantee ~5% returns, ETH is an excellent choice letting you earn less money than the rate of inflation **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* when cryptos were valued at tens of hundred+ billion dollar valuations** (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 21.69% | QQQ | 14.46% | GOLD | 12.03% | SPY | 8.46% | **ETH** | **1.79%**

biba8163

> If bitcoin drops, ethereum will drop - ETH is a toxic on-performing asset mid/long term. If you want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice. - If you want to lose money to inflation ETH is an excellent choice - If you want to earn less than staking FIAT which guarantee ~5% returns, ETH is an excellent choice letting you earn less money than the rate of inflation **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* when cryptos were valued at tens of hundred+ dollar valuations** (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 21.69% | QQQ | 14.46% | GOLD | 12.03% | SPY | 8.46% | ETH | 1.79%

Daily-Trader-247

Digital GOLD 🤩

PhillyNJMusicMan

Overall, since 2010, It topped off at $1800-1900 around 2011 and, after dipping for YEARS, took nearly a whole decade just to get back in that neighborhood again. It's only been the last couple years that it's actually started performing the way it should've been that entire time as an asset. The reason for all of that is the paper gold on portfolios, uncertainty of the actual supply, and the fact that all makes it so easy to manipulate price wise. Do I prefer physical gold? Absolutely, if I were going to own it, but the sad part is that the paper gold and manipulation to the quoted supply/price hurts gold regardless of whether you own it just on a portfolio or physically. I think it's also been manipulated even more recently by the banks just to stay higher than Bitcoin, so, for all of those reasons... I DON'T TRUST GOLD ANYMORE. With Bitcoin and Real Estate, I see no reason to have gold. It's the inferior asset of those 3, in my opinion. If you own all 3 is that a bad thing? Nahh of course not, but you better own Bitcoin and/or real estate first if you're smart.

DBRiMatt

BTC and GOLD ftw!

biba8163

> ETH and BTC are some of the assets best positioned to weather the geopolitical storm. Even fiat cash isn’t safe from devaluation. Anyone still lumping BTC and ETH in the same sentence is either a bagholding shill. Reminder that BTC behaves completely different than other classes. BTC zig zags from ~0.5 to ~0.75 correlation to the S&P and NASDAQ to spiking to negative correlation every few months which is oftentimes when it makes its biggest moves up or down. - July 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC tanks. - January 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big. - October 2023. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big BTC is Digital Gold but it does not follow Gold. BTC closely follows the stock market until it doesn't. BTC divergence is why it has outperformed the S&P, NASDAQ, Gold over long periods (7-years) even when it has been a large marketcap of over $250 Billion. - BTC is THE diversifier for out-performance in your portfolios. - Shitcoins are Toxic Assets for under-performance in your portfolios. Shitcoins have a parasitical dependency on BTC, historically have ~0.90 correlation with BTC, under-perform BTC, under-perform S&P/NASDAQ, under-perform Gold, under-perform Treasuries and most of the successful ones are guaranteed to make you lose money. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 3.24% | ADA | -7.5% | XRP | -8.24%

biba8163

Reminder that BTC behaves completely different than other classes. BTC zig zags from ~0.5 to ~0.75 correlation to the S&P and NASDAQ to spiking to negative correlation every few months which is oftentimes when it makes its biggest moves up or down. - July 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC tanks. - January 2024. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big. - October 2023. BTC has a NEGATIVE correlation to the S&P 500 and NASDAQ. BTC pumps big BTC is Digital Gold but it does not follow Gold. BTC closely follows the stock market until it doesn't. BTC divergence is why it has outperformed the S&P, NASDAQ, Gold over long periods (7-years) even when it has been a large marketcap of over $250 Billion. - BTC is THE diversifier for out-performance in your portfolios. - Shitcoins are Toxic Assets for under-performance in your portfolios. Shitcoins have a parasitical dependency on BTC, historically have ~0.90 correlation with BTC, under-perform BTC, under-perform S&P/NASDAQ, under-perform Gold, under-perform Treasuries and most of the successful ones are guaranteed to make you lose money. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 3.24% | ADA | -7.5% | XRP | -8.24%

biba8163

> comparing their loss from ATH is bad data to prove your point. Coping Shitcoiners like you like to use copium math by cherry picking a time when an asset -95% to the lowest value to show it performs great. **Investors that make money like to hold assets that consistently appreciate over the long term so we look at ATHs.** - Comparing 2017/18 ATHs of BTC and ETH over a ~7 year time period which is a good reference point because the S&P 500 doubles every 7 years providing an annual return of ~10%. - BTC outperforms S&P 500 and Gold - ETH is absolute dogshit performance with 3.24% annualized return lagging even U.S Treasuries - Scams like ADA, XRP actually result in losses over long time horizons **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4% | ADA | -7.5% | XRP | -8.24%

DBRiMatt

If only I had a BTC/GOLD portfolio. Instead I went BTC/ETH.

thranetrain

Rephrased: As long as we're adding zeros to the BTC/GOLD ratio 😀

Every_Hunt_160

Binance making GOLD out of our SHITcoin exit liquidity

Adventurous_Funny791

Buy GOLD mate! You would protect your money from inflation 

LandoGoinRambo

Bitcoin dam sure ain’t GOLD

biba8163

> Ethereum is dead, until it's not *ETH is not dead but like all 2-Cycle Shitcoins, it's shitting the bed* - There are ZERO Alts today that are above ATHs they reached in previous cycles. - There are ZERO Alts have reached new ATHs in 2024/25 when adjusted for inflation. - There are ZERO Alts have hit ATHs in 3 cycles when adjusted for inflation. *ETH is not dead but it's a 2-Cycle Shitcoin that will put you in the red* ETH is an underperforming/non-performing asset mid/long term. If dummies want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice. If you want to earn just as much as ETH at ZERO risk, then you can stake FIAT which guarantee ~5% returns. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame with relatively large marketcaps* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4%

ryan69plank

two reasons, GOLD is at all time highs and preforming so BTC is holding fast with gold. if gold was to fall back too $2,500 I think you would see BTC fall under 60k. second reason is QE is about to launch and we're in a rate cutting cycle now where BTC must increase against M2 money supply. If the FED was still in a rate lifting cycle then BTC would be falling alot harder into the 70k or lower regions. There is mainly just not enough supply right now for the multiple large players on wall street like Blackrock and micro strategy also they passed new regulation allowing banks to hold spot BTC so JP, Morgan Stanly, HSBC, and other European banks are looking to the OTC markets right now to get their slice of the pie. Yes they want to crash the price of BTC so they can load up take custody off Retail and price is going to push up when OTC supply dries out and they have to buy off exchanges. that will likely come over the next few years. in the short term we have to get through this stock market correction and also a USA recession, I don't know how long the recession will last because they really need to increase wages for people in this adjusted Inflationary environment, only way to do that is to drop business loans back under 4% so business can borrow more money and pay employees higher wages. couple unknowns are the AI offset of jobs how many jobs will be lost vs new people being employed.... 2026 could be an interesting year but I think before EOY this year BTC is likely to Bottom out my pick would be July it bottoms, it might slip more depending on economic recession data later around September so will see, I am however thinking of taking my first DCA trade into IBIT in early July then Taking a secondary DCA trade into IBIT in September, I will then take a 3rd either around late November or January to February in 2026 after economic assessment. BTC has one direction over the next 5 years which is up. but in the short term right now it's likely to fall lower. if your at a loss right now check back on BTC mid 2026, and plan to buy in September this year to lower your average.

Savi321

Crazy right? A research paper in 1995 said that by 2050, at least one stock listed on the NYSE could overtake the GOLD market cap. And to think that Bitcoin may end up doing that far before any stock. And..and.. Bitcoin did not even exist in 1995.

Pickle_Status

Thanks for the news, Gold rises 20% every 6 months on average so for me, it is Always up. Every week, I mean it, Every. Single. Week- I buy more gold. Bitcoin in the act of going down, is the reason we buy it. I buy bitcoin by selling Gold ETFs that have aged in my account instead of using money from my wallet. This is my plan and execution. This is how I roll. Buy Gold, wait for a bit, buy bitcoin when it drops, but always buy GOLD. Always.

Pickle_Status

My neighbor, justin is a 56 year old gold salesman. He lives a cross the street. He works with people who want to buy the physical thing but you must pay him 5% more for the service. Long story short, it's more risky to go the physical way and will hurt your wallet. He also tells me the jewelery stores will not buy his gold at the correct price ever. There will always be a fee at the bank for it too. It's not free to trade in your bars, you seem just uninformed... but it is free to hold GOLD it in a TFSA in ETF form it is also safer. It is also 0% to withdraw or deposit and 0% conversion fees. What happens if someone trys to steal your physical gold? My grandpa got mugged in Scarborough by 30 black men in a truck. They took over 30K worth of gold but he only got 10K back from the government. So tell me what is safer or better, it won't change my mind. I been playing this game for a while, winning at it. The gold etf game strong.

biba8163

This is you regurgitating Shitcoin and mETH Head narratives: > Remember, late December, early Jan is when ETH and alts start climbing. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1hhfmsi/daily_crypto_discussion_december_19_2024_gmt0/m2rdoto/ > Not really, ETH has always been a slow grower. It’s typically dumped until late Jan every cycle and has been red for almost every single December from 2016. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1i00w01/daily_crypto_discussion_january_13_2025_gmt0/m6wgoac/ This is me warning noobs and mETH Heads, that's not what's happening: > Noobs who weren't around in 2016 and 2020, you should know that 2024 looks very very different so far than at this time frame in 2016 and 2020. (Nov. 5, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gkfvzs/bitcoin_price_crushing_altcoins_heading_into_us/lvlrry1/ > The market is changing: ETFs, MSTR, etc account for a lot of the inflows. This money is not going to leave BTC seeking greater return on Alts (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/1gq6ahm/daily_general_discussion_november_13_2024/lwymxl9/ > Each cycle is a bit different. Too many people are saying, just hold on to your coins, it's playing out exactly the same. (Nov. 13, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gqexix/why_are_there_so_few_active_users_when_btc_is_at/lwxx36a/ > Be careful of people telling you this cycle is playing out exactly the same. ETFs, institutional and mainstream involvement, memecoins, L2 options and ETH competitors, it's very different (Nov. 19, 2024) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1gujmk1/daily_crypto_discussion_november_19_2024_gmt0/lxyt5pw/ Are people like you are really clueless looking at the data right in front of your eyes and still think the pattern is repeating: | ETH | Dec | Jan | Feb | March |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:|:------------:| | 2020/21 | 20%| 78% | 7% | 35% | 2024/25 | -10%| -1% | -32% | -14% And I've warned noobs like you again and again, ETH is a Shitcoin Alt and it is waay overvalued: > Long term ALL Alts follow the same trend and fall below the initial BTC value they started at. Pretty much all the older Alts, even the most successful fall below this value. ETH is also trending long term to fall below this value. People talk about historic trends, patterns and cycles but this has been the only 1 undisputed and unbroken pattern for 14 years. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fgzm3z/daily_crypto_discussion_september_15_2024_gmt0/ln9gkl4/ | | Initial | High | Current | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:|------------:| | LTC | 0.03 BTC| 0.048 BTC | 0.001 BTC | XRP | 5,594 SATS| 22,500 SATS | 940 SATS | XMR | 0.005 BTC| 0.035 BTC | 0.0029 BTC | ETH | 0.01 BTC | 0.15 BTC | 0.041 BTC ETH is an underperforming/non-performing asset mid/long term. If dummies want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice. If you want to earn just as much as ETH at ZERO risk, then you can stake FIAT which guarantee ~5% returns. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4%

hypurco4335

What happened to GOLD during the crash?

Dependent_Mail9195

For bitcoin to go as high you guys dream of, you would need a hyperinflationary collapse of most main currencies (mostly USD). Google it!! A hyperinflationary collapse is a severe economic downturn caused by runaway inflation. It can lead to widespread poverty, social unrest, and the destruction of financial systems.  How it happens: Hoarding: People buy and store goods to avoid paying higher prices later. This can lead to shortages of basic necessities like food and medicine.  Currency devaluation: The value of the local currency drops in relation to other currencies.  Bankruptcy: Banks go out of business when people stop making deposits and loans lose value.  Government debt: The government prints more money to pay its bills, which worsens inflation.  Consequences: Unemployment: Companies fold due to rising prices and mass unemployment occurs.  Economic refugees: People flee the country to seek stability in other nations.  Barter economy: People trade goods directly instead of using money.  Social unrest: People resort to crime and violence to feed their families.  Examples: The hyperinflation crisis in Germany during the Weimar Republic in the 1920s Now when this happen, EVERYTHING go up!! Including food and energy and people need more money then ever to just survive!! Considering BTC actually need energy to function, explain to me how "fart coin BTC" would become a priority for a starving population unable to put gaz in their car? See, all these BTC exchange take advantage of people like you that have no economic litteracy; it is sad to see!! Even if BTC would somehow "replace" the USD as the world reserve currency (reference) like you fanatic wet dream about, BTC would NEVER win against GOLD!!! "what is in your treasure captain?" "Gold!!!" What is in your treasure pirate?" "tradable digital nothingness! wanna trade?" Captain: "NOPE!!"

Dependent_Mail9195

For bitcoin to go to high you guys dream of, you would need a hyperinflationary collapse of most main currencies (mostly USD). Google it!! A hyperinflationary collapse is a severe economic downturn caused by runaway inflation. It can lead to widespread poverty, social unrest, and the destruction of financial systems.  How it happens Hoarding People buy and store goods to avoid paying higher prices later. This can lead to shortages of basic necessities like food and medicine.  Currency devaluation The value of the local currency drops in relation to other currencies.  Bankruptcy Banks go out of business when people stop making deposits and loans lose value.  Government debt The government prints more money to pay its bills, which worsens inflation.  Consequences Unemployment: Companies fold due to rising prices and mass unemployment occurs.  Economic refugees: People flee the country to seek stability in other nations.  Barter economy: People trade goods directly instead of using money.  Social unrest: People resort to crime and violence to feed their families.  Examples  The hyperinflation crisis in Germany during the Weimar Republic in the 1920s Now if this happen, EVERYTHING go up!! Including food and energy and people need more money then ever to just survive!! Considering BTC actually need energy to function, explain to me how "fart coin BTC" would become a priority for a starving population unable to put gaz in their car? See, all these BTC exchange take advantage of people like you that have no economic litteracy; it is sad to see!! Even if BTC would somehow "replace" the USD as the world reserve currency (reference) like you fanatic wet dream about, BTC would NEVER win against GOLD!!! "what is in your treasure captain?" "Gold!!!" What is in your treasure pirate?" "tradable digital nothingness! wanna trade?" Captain: "NOPE!!"

biba8163

ETH is basically an underperforming/non-performing asset mid/long term. If you want to make LESS money taking MORE risk, than ETH is an excellent choice. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4%

biba8163

ETH is basically an underperforming/non-performing asset. You have to determine if the Risk/Reward for such an under-performing asset is worth it. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* (Stock Market doubles every 7 years, Rule of 72) | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4% | ADA | -5.75% | XRP | -7.6%

biba8163

**Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* | | Annual Return| |:-----------|:------------:| | BTC | 22.19% | QQQ | 16% | GOLD | 11.3% | SPY | 10.8% | ETH | 4% | ADA | -5.75% | XRP | -7.6%

Ok-Image1782

The economy was in a bubble since the 40's ...the commercial real estate and housing markets are trash AUTO MARKET TRASH... swindlers and thieves have been selling out the American people since the creation of the FED.. TAKE THE DOLLAR OFF OF GOLD.. Blockchain adoption will help correct the manipulation of fiat currency while giving the overlords a new toy to manipulate. expect volatility as the old system is done away with and the new system goes online one piece at a time... Crypto is quite literally a digital prison ESPECIALLY WITH STABLECOINS.. I'm just glad to be a part of the early stages and blessed to be given the opportunity to make money... Right now is quite literally the easiest time to make money.. any of the top crypto at a discount and wait... I THINK BLAMING TRUMP FOR SOME SHORT TERM DISCOUNTS IS HYPOCRISY AT ITS FINEST BECAUSE WHEN BLOCKCHAIN GOES PARABOLIC AND ADOPTED INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.. NO ONE WILL GOVE HIM CREDIT AND PROBABLY FIND SOMETHING MEANINGLESS TO BITCH ABOUT ..

BraidRuner

Take my upvote...this is GOLD oh and Fuck you (Jamie Dimon)

CryptoCryBubba

"I like Bitcoin.... I really do. They say it's like digital gold. DIGITAL GOLD... can you believe it. That's what they're saying... Digital Gold. By the way, we're going to stockpile it. That was David's idea. David Sacks. He's the greatest crypto czar we've ever had."

Lost-Trouble-4971

This is RADIOFUTUR.... live for you. The only radio in the world that invites you to invest your money today or tomorrow because yesterday is too late..... yes but why not invest it all at once, BTC has less than 100k?!??? But the 100k are the cents of the next world currency... BTC and digital GOLD today... in 2318, we celebrated the Tercentenary not long ago... it started after the war.... There was a Boys' War a long time ago. Yen had had plenty before too. But the mothers won. And instead of giving power back to their idiot kids. They said to themselves “if it’s good for mothers it’s good for their children” so they kept power and banned boys from having weapons... and with the pay that has been there since then BTC has exploded ... So It was RADIOFUTUR The only radio in the world that invites you to invest your money today or tomorrow because yesterday is too late..... The 1st page on the coffee of the future a black sock juice without recycled betrave.. 1230k … …. It’s not expensive isn’t it 🤪

Lost-Trouble-4971

This is RADIOFUTUR…. live for you. The only radio in the world that invites you to invest your money today or tomorrow because yesterday is too late….. yes but why not invest it all at once, BTC has less than 100k?!??? But the 100k are the cents of the next world currency... BTC and digital GOLD today... in 2318, we celebrated the Tercentenary not long ago... There was a Boys' War a long time ago. Yen had had plenty before too. But the women won. And instead of giving power back to their idiot kids. They said to themselves “if it’s good for mothers then it’s good for their children” so they kept power and banned boys from having weapons… and with the pay that has been there since then BTC has exploded… So It was RADIOFUTUR The only radio in the world that invites you to invest your money today or tomorrow because yesterday is too late…..

CFSouza74

People, the market is like that. The Great Depression of '29, the Dot-Com Bubble, the 2008 Crisis - everything was caused by the daydreams of someone who bewitched the markets. The secret is to understand what really is a “play” and what is “fact”. In my humble opinion: 1. MicroStrategy is investing in BTC because of a well-founded investment theory - fact. 2. Trump has a real intention of making reserves in BTC or other cryptos and already has a bill for that - fact. 3. Dollar is fiat and inconvertible currency - in a crisis there are only two ways out - GOLD or BTC - fact. Having said that, my theory of investing in BTC is - buy for the fact (potential reserve of value of the currency) and sell in the term - in 5 years accomplish what you have to accomplish.

Embarrassed-Wear-414

This post is GOLD

peekitup

Most libertarian crypto fucks don't trust the government to manage a pothole and yet are on board with them properly securing a bitcoin wallet? Not. Your. Keys. Not. Your. Coins. HUR DUR THEY KEEP GOLD RESERVES ITS THE SAME If the gold gets stolen or lost you have a much better chance of recovering the gold.

Select-Let8637

"The existence of leverage is why DeFi can earn yields on stables" " leverage trading in crypto, there would be much less yield to keep stables on chain." No seriously no there is an entire sector of stablecoins that get yeild from bonds not risky defi yeild. Which also has decent yeild. It really isn't that hard to look for them. Flux Finance from ONDO. Which gets yeild from normal assets bonds etc. The yeild is lower at 4.8% but it isn't effected by the broader crypto market so it won't dump during a bear market https://fluxfinance.com/ Ondo usdy which has a 4.35% yeild. Bonds https://ondo.finance/usdy Paxos Lift Dollar (from the same guys that made PAX GOLD) Uses yeild from normal stuff like bonds with a 3.35 Apr Mountain PROTOCOL does the same thing but has a higher Apr at 4.7% Angle.money Holdinh usdc on the coinbase wallet app and get 4.1% apy. You'll get usdc sent on chain to your wallet every month coinbase works with circle the issues of usdc.  https://x.com/CoinbaseWallet/status/1859286084535906744 Many yeild bearing services in crypto do not use defi leverage as a form of yeild. Saying how the entire system is built on leverage, I dunno. But stating how "all stablecoins get their yeild from leverage and would be nothing without it is simply not true.

Select-Let8637

Obviously it could fail. I only put in what I can risk and most of my porfolio is usdc. "Such as?" Hold hup There are apps like fluid instapp where you can lend usdc for an 9% apy on ethereum/base via defi. [https://fluid.instadapp.io/lending/1](https://fluid.instadapp.io/lending/1) Or use stuff like **Flux Finance** from ONDO. Which gets yeild from normal assets bonds etc. The yeild is lower at 4.8% but it isn't effected by the broader crypto market so it won't dump during a bear market [https://fluxfinance.com/](https://fluxfinance.com/) Or you can put your usdc and usdt in liquidity pools and earn fees from people doing swaps. Though the Apr is a bit low right now at 2%. [https://de.fi/opportunity/protocol/uniswap-v3/ethereum/usdc+usdt](https://de.fi/opportunity/protocol/uniswap-v3/ethereum/usdc+usdt) Or you can use yeild bearing stablecoin some of it is defi related and has higher yeild like sUSDS (formerly DAI) with 8.75% yeild. [https://app.spark.fi/](https://app.spark.fi/) Or usde with 9% apy [https://ethena.fi/](https://ethena.fi/) These come with more risk essentially as whilst the yeild is good who knows if this coins will continue to survive, personally though I wouldn't be worried about usds as usds/DAI has been around forever and the guys over there are legit. And fluidistaap is legit imo they got funding from coinbase. **Paxos Lift Dollar (from the same guys that made PAX GOLD)** Uses yeild from normal stuff like bonds with a 3.35 Apr Mountain PROTOCOL does the same thing but has a higher Apr at 4.7% [**Angle.money**](http://Angle.money) A mix of real estate and other assets. The apy is around 9%. Ondo usdy which has a 4.35% yeild. [https://ondo.finance/usdy](https://ondo.finance/usdy) Or if you just don't want to do any of that you can hold usdc on the coinbase wallet app and get 4.1% apy. You'll get usdc sent on chain to your wallet every month coinbase works with circle the issues of usdc. You just have to use the coinbase wallet app, hold usdc on ethereum network/base/abritum/polygon and activate the yeild. [https://x.com/CoinbaseWallet/status/1859286084535906744](https://x.com/CoinbaseWallet/status/1859286084535906744)

biba8163

> *"I’m 20 years old and just put 20k into bitcoin what do I do now?"* > Take most of it back out, invest it in a diverse portfolio of good altcoins. Telling a 20-year old to take $20K out of Bitcoin and put into into Altcoins is the worst possible advice anyone can be given. OP isn't qualified to give advice and leading someone off a cliff that almost guarantees they lose most of their money. Bitcoin is not guaranteed to always outperform and is risky but Alts are almost all guarantee to lose the vast majority of your money. The 20-year old who asked the question has a lot more common sense than the OP. - There are ZERO Alts today that are above ATHs they reached in previous cycles. ZERO - There are ZERO Alts have reached new ATHs in 2024/25 when adjusted for inflation. ZERO - There are ZERO Alts have hit ATHs in 3 cycles when adjusted for inflation. ZERO Good advice would be to tell a 20-yr old that do diversify with other assets and use BTC as a diversifier. BTC outperforms stocks, bonds, gold, REITs over long time frames but BTC outpeformance is not guaranteed. Alll Alts after they gain a decent marketcap, vastly underperform BTC and even stock indices like SPY and QQQ. Hell Alts even underperform gold. Even the most successful Alts like ETH are good for 2 cycles and that's it. Other successful Alts like XRP and ADA are approaching a decade of lost investing. Rule of 72: Dividing 72 by the annual rate of return gives investors an estimate of how many years it will take for the initial investment to double. Investing in the S&P 500 Index, stocks have climbed about 10% a year for the last 50 years, doubling just about every 7 years. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* | | Dec/Jan 2017/18 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | ETH | 82%| 9.25% | ADA | -32%|-5.2% | XRP | -33%|-5.7%

etherd0t

marging trading + hghly volatile "assets" like memeshitcoins = GOLD for exchange (liquidations) let them eat cake!

BoratOhtani

Litecoins and GOLD BABY Litecoins to 10k GOLD TO 15K

CaregiverStandard427

How often have you seen GOLD ETF going down taking down Gold prices? That'll answer your question. Its not about Wall Street. Its about crypto players' sentiments.

BoratOhtani

Litecoin will be recession proof . When all the major currency are down , people will look to transact in crypto. Litecoin is easy to move with a limited supply My assets are now GOLD, Litecoin, Cash, Potassium, and a farm land Litecoin to 10k is not a dream

biba8163

Rule of 72: Dividing 72 by the annual rate of return gives investors an estimate of how many years it will take for the initial investment to double. Investing in the S&P 500 Index, stocks have climbed about 10% a year for the last 50 years, doubling just about every 7 years. - **The Astute Investor** - Diversifies by investing in an asset that has higher risk but a higher annual return than the ~10% returned by the S&P 500 - **The Fool** - Invests in an asset that has higher risk and a lower annual return than the ~10% returned by the S&P 500 - **The Idiot** - Invests in an asset that is still at a loss for for almost 10 years -- 10 years being the holy dogshit grail of a lost decade in investing **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* | | Dec/Jan 2017/18 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | ETH | 82%| 9.25% | ADA | -32%|-5.2% | XRP | -33%|-5.7%

pawelkos

Barrick GOLD

yk527

Just imagine that I am a kindergarten. EA Sports released FIFA 2024 this year and next year EA Sports released FIFA 2025. Who buys 2024?? Same thing, Satoshi some how appeared to the earth or resurrected this year. He says "Here is the BTC 2.0\~\~\~\~ with including all the amendment from BTC 1.0 or at least functions exactly same as the old one. Also it is limited to 21 mil." Now, perphaps, let say this just happend\~ Don't say, this theory is fictional...this could happen...so WHAT MAKES BTC 1.0 "absolutely" define as the "ONE"? GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS, PLATINUM maybe can cause inflation by mining, melting and manipulating more...but it's some thing the human that can't create GOLD 2.0, SILVER 2.0, DIAMOND 2.0.... This the one last glitch that BTC 1.0 have... Satoshi knows how to make BTC 1.0 why can't he make another one and publish it to the world again? You see the technical problem? Forget about all financial, keeping value and that shit. I understood that 1,000%

yk527

ust imagine that I am a kindergarten. EA Sports released FIFA 2024 this year and next year EA Sports released FIFA 2025. Who buys 2024?? Same thing, Satoshi some how appeared to the earth or resurrected this year. He says "Here is the BTC 2.0\~\~\~\~ with including all the amendment from BTC 1.0 or at least functions exactly same as the old one. Also it is limited to 21 mil." Now, perphaps, let say this just happend\~ Don't say, this theory is fictional...this could happen...so WHAT MAKES BTC 1.0 "absolutely" define as the "ONE"? GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS, PLATINUM maybe can cause inflation by mining, melting and manipulating more...but it's some thing the human that can't create GOLD 2.0, SILVER 2.0, DIAMOND 2.0.... This the one last glitch that BTC 1.0 have... Satoshi knows how to make BTC 1.0 why can't he make another one and publish it to the world again? You see the technical problem? Forget about all financial, keeping value and that shit. I understood that 1,000%

yk527

Just imagine that I am a kindergarten. EA Sports released FIFA 2024 this year and next year EA Sports released FIFA 2025. Who buys 2024?? Same thing, Satoshi some how appeared to the earth or resurrected this year. He says "Here is the BTC 2.0\~\~\~\~ with including all the amendment from BTC 1.0 or at least functions exactly same as the old one. Also it is limited to 21 mil." Now, perphaps, let say this just happend\~ Don't say, this theory is fictional...this could happen...so WHAT MAKES BTC 1.0 "absolutely" define as the "ONE"? GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS, PLATINUM maybe can cause inflation by mining, melting and manipulating more...but it's some thing the human can create GOLD 2.0, SILVER 2.0, DIAMOND 2.0.... This the one last glitch that BTC 1.0 have... Satoshi knows how to make BTC 1.0 why can't he make another one and publish it to the world again? You see the technical problem? Forget about all financial, keeping value and that shit. I understood that 1,000%

yk527

Just imagine that I am a kindergarten. EA Sports released FIFA 2024 this year and next year EA Sports released FIFA 2025. Who buys 2024?? Same thing, Satoshi some how appeared to the earth or resurrected this year. He says "Here is the BTC 2.0\~\~\~\~ with including all the amendment from BTC 1.0 or at least functions exactly same as the old one. Also it is limited to 21 mil." Now, perphaps, let say this just happend\~ Don't say, this theory is fictional...this could happen...so WHAT MAKES BTC 1.0 "absolutely" define as the "ONE"? GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS, PLATINUM maybe can cause inflation by mining, melting and manipulating more...but it's some thing the human can create GOLD 2.0, SILVER 2.0, DIAMOND 2.0.... This the one last glitch that BTC 1.0 have... Satoshi knows how to make BTC 1.0 why can't he make another one and publish it to the world again? You see the technical problem? Forget about all financial, keeping value and that shit. I understood that 1,000%

yk527

Just imagine that I am a kindergarten. EA Sports released FIFA 2024 this year and next year EA Sports released FIFA 2025. Who buys 2024?? Same thing, Satoshi some how appeared to the earth or resurrected this year. He says "Here is the BTC 2.0\~\~\~\~ with including all the amendment from BTC 1.0 or at least functions exactly same as the old one. Also it is limited to 21 mil." Now, perphaps, let say this just happend\~ Don't say, this theory is fictional...this could happen...so WHAT MAKES BTC 1.0 "absolutely" define as the "ONE"? GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS, PLATINUM maybe can cause inflation by mining, melting and manipulating more...but it's some thing the human can create GOLD 2.0, SILVER 2.0, DIAMOND 2.0.... This the one last glitch that BTC 1.0 have... Satoshi knows how to make BTC 1.0 why can't he make another one and publish it to the world again? You see the technical problem? Forget about all financial, keeping value and that shit. I understood that 1,000%

yk527

Just imagine that I am a kindergarten. EA Sports released FIFA 2024 this year and next year EA Sports released FIFA 2025. Who buys 2024?? Same thing, Satoshi some how appeared to the earth or resurrected this year. He says "Here is the BTC 2.0\~\~\~\~ with including all the amendment from BTC 1.0 or at least functions exactly same as the old one. Also it is limited to 21 mil." Now, perphaps, let say this just happend\~ Don't say, this theory is fictional...this could happen...so WHAT MAKES BTC 1.0 "absolutely" define as the "ONE"? GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS, PLATINUM maybe can cause inflation by mining, melting and manipulating more...but it's some thing the human can create GOLD 2.0, SILVER 2.0, DIAMOND 2.0.... This the one last glitch that BTC 1.0 have... Satoshi knows how to make BTC 1.0 why can't he make another one and publish it to the world again? You see the technical problem? Forget about all financial, keeping value and that shit. I understood that 1,000%

yk527

Just imagine that I am a kindergarten. EA Sports released FIFA 2024 this year and next year EA Sports released FIFA 2025. Who buys 2024?? Same thing, Satoshi some how appeared to the earth or resurrected this year. He says "Here is the BTC 2.0\~\~\~\~ with including all the amendment from BTC 1.0 or at least functions exactly same as the old one. Also it is limited to 21 mil." Now, perphaps, let say this just happend\~ Don't say, this theory is fictional...this could happen...so WHAT MAKES BTC 1.0 "absolutely" define as the "ONE"? GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS, PLATINUM maybe can cause inflation by mining, melting and manipulating more...but it's some thing the human can create GOLD 2.0, SILVER 2.0, DIAMOND 2.0.... This the one last glitch that BTC 1.0 have... Satoshi knows how to make BTC 1.0 why can't he make another one and publish it to the world again? You see the technical problem? Forget about all financial, keeping value and that shit. I understood that 1,000%

yk527

Just imagine that I am a kindergarten. EA Sports released FIFA 2024 this year and next year EA Sports released FIFA 2025. Who buys 2024?? Same thing, Satoshi some how appeared to the earth or resurrected this year. He says "Here is the BTC 2.0\~\~\~\~ with including all the amendment from BTC 1.0 or at least functions exactly same as the old one. Also it is limited to 21 mil." Now, perphaps, let say this just happend\~ Don't say, this theory is fictional...this could happen...so WHAT MAKES BTC 1.0 "absolutely" define as the "ONE"? GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS, PLATINUM maybe can cause inflation by mining, melting and manipulating more...but it's some thing the human can create GOLD 2.0, SILVER 2.0, DIAMOND 2.0.... This the one last glitch that BTC 1.0 have... Satoshi knows how to make BTC 1.0 why can't he make another one and publish it to the world again? You see the technical problem? Forget about all financial, keeping value and that shit. I understood that 1,000%

yk527

Just imagine that I am a kindergarten. EA Sports released FIFA 2024 this year and next year EA Sports released FIFA 2025. Who buys 2024?? Same thing, Satoshi some how appeared to the earth or resurrected this year. He says "Here is the BTC 2.0\~\~\~\~ with including all the amendment from BTC 1.0 or at least functions exactly same as the old one. Also it is limited to 21 mil." Now, perphaps, let say this just happend\~ Don't say, this theory is fictional...this could happen...so WHAT MAKES BTC 1.0 "absolutely" define as the "ONE"? GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS, PLATINUM maybe can cause inflation by mining, melting and manipulating more...but it's some thing the human can create GOLD 2.0, SILVER 2.0, DIAMOND 2.0.... This the one last glitch that BTC 1.0 have... Satoshi knows how to make BTC 1.0 why can't he make another one and publish it to the world again? You see the technical problem? Forget about all financial, keeping value and that shit. I understood that 1,000%

yk527

u/alive1 Yea he got the point. Just imagine that I am a kindergarten. EA Sports released FIFA 2024 next year EA Sports released FIFA 2025. Who buys 2024?? Same thing, Satoshi some how appeared to the earth or resurrected this year. He says "Here is the BTC 2.0\~\~\~\~ with including all the amendment from BTC 1.0 or at least functions exactly same as the old one. Also it is limited to 21 mil." Now, perphaps, let say this just happend\~ Don't say, this theory is fictional...this could happen...so WHAT MAKES BTC 1.0 "absolutely" define as the "ONE"? GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS, PLATINUM maybe can cause inflation by mining, melting and manipulating more...but it's some thing the human can create GOLD 2.0, SILVER 2.0, DIAMOND 2.0.... This the one last glitch that BTC 1.0 have... Satoshi knows how to make BTC 1.0 why can't he make another one and publish it to the world again? You see the technical problem? Forget about all financial, keeping value and that shit. I understood that 1,000%

critiqueextension

As of February 15, 2025, the current gold price stands at approximately $2883 per ounce, significantly higher than the claimed $42.22 in the post. Given the U.S. gold reserves of about 8134 tons, the calculations in the post do not account for the established market price, suggesting that the proposal to buy Bitcoin at that price per BTC is unrealistic. * [GOLD PRICE FORECAST 2025, 2026, 2027 AND 2028](https://longforecast.com/gold-price-today-forecast-2017-2018-2019-2020-2021-ounce-gram) * [Gold Price on 15 February 2025](https://goldprice.org/gold-price-today/2025-02-15) ^(This is a bot made by [Critique AI](https://critique-labs.ai). If you want vetted information like this on all content you browse, [download our extension](https://critiquebrowser.app).)

JuxtaposeLife

... if something has the real potential to go up another 5000x are you late? I'd say no... BTC (currently $2T) has the potential to catch all of these: GOLD ($18T): would put BTC between $900k-$1m per coin (The US treasury has stated that BTC is digital Gold... this one seems all but certain in the near term) Total Global Printed Money ($454T): would put BTC around $23m per coin if BTC became 'better' money than fiat (it's current on that path) Add in Global Real Estate ($900T, another $450T): would put BTC at $45m per coin if BTC became a better asset to build generation wealth in than a house (which depreciates in value)... this seems all but certain in our lifetimes... as long as BTC stays decentralized and secure. Add in the Derivatives Market ($8-10Q): would put BTC at $450m per coin... most people aren't aware and dont' even track the worlds derivatives market. It's the 'gambling' that takes place on everything, the leverage that is basically where the printing goes to prevent inflation (the best they can)... if you ever wondered how, for example, the US could print half of all money that has ever exists in just the last few years, yet inflation hasn't gone up 100% in that time... it's because they attempt to hide or move this money to the derivatives markets.

biba8163

> BTC/ETH long term. Reminder that BTC and ETH are not the same. BTC is the prime mover in crypto that can be used a long term diversifier that outperforms the market (S&P 500). ETH is an Alt coin that underperforms the S&P 500. S&P 500 historically over a 50 year span doubles every 7 yrs and returns ~10% per year. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs* | | Dec/Jan 2017/18 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | ETH | 82%| 9.25% **Since Nov/Dec 2021 when stock and crypto markets reached new ATHs* | | Nov/Dec 2021 | |:-----------|------------:| | GLD | 52%| | BTC | 37%| | QQQ | 31%| | SPY | 28%| | ETH | -45%|

Maleficent-Charge566

Fartboy is going to $360M MC next and then onwards to $1b and $4b. This crypto token is GOLD

biba8163

Rule of 72: Dividing 72 by the annual rate of return gives investors an estimate of how many years it will take for the initial investment to double. Investing in the S&P 500 Index, stocks have climbed about 10% a year for the last 50 years, doubling just about every seven years. If you are going to invest in riskier end of the risk/return spectrum than than S&P 500, your investment should have higher returns. Does investment have a higher annual return than the 10% returned by the S&P 500 or are you taking on more risk for less return? **Since the 2017/18 ATHs* | | Dec/Jan 2017/18 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | ETH | 82%| 9.25% | ADA | -32%|-5.2% | XRP | -33%|-5.7%

biba8163

S&P 500 Index returns ~10% a year for the last 50 years, doubling just about every seven years. Only fools hold under-performing assets that take on more risk and provide lower return. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs* | | Dec/Jan 2017/18 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | ETH | 82%| 9.25% | ADA | -32%|-5.2% | XRP | -33%|-5.7%

biba8163

> I use this sub to make money. I just do the opposite of what the majority think here Redditor for 3 months... > Sold my all ripple after reading this. Just spreading the news (January 2018, XRP $3.65) > XRP is up over 1,000 percent in just the last month alone, **eclipsing $3.50 per coin.** While XRP investors might be charmed by the thought of holding a cryptocurrency that one day a large swath of the banking system may use, the vast majority of Ripple's banking clients are using the company's xCurrent product – a glorified messaging platform. Onstage during the event, a number of banks using xCurrent asserted that they would not be using XRP anytime soon, contrary to what XRP investors might be banking on today. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7o6u64/sold_my_all_ripple_after_reading_this_just/ > Bloomberg - Banks do not want to use XRP from Ripple (January 2018, XRP $3.65) https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7t0j1f/bloomberg_banks_do_not_want_to_use_xrp_from_ripple/dt9bvj5/ XRP is down -30% over 7+ years approaching a lost decade in investing. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* | | Jan 2018 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | XRP | -30%|-5.7%

AdamHorn8

This is the joke that made me realize I’m old… “2 likes? WTF people this is GOLD”

biba8163

Rule of 72: Dividing 72 by the annual rate of return gives investors an estimate of how many years it will take for the initial investment to double. Investing in the S&P 500 Index, stocks have climbed about 10% a year for the last 50 years, doubling just about every 7 years. - **The Astute Investor** - Diversifies by investing in an asset that has higher risk but a higher annual return than the ~10% returned by the S&P 500 - **The Fool** - Invests in an asset that has higher risk and a lower annual return than the ~10% returned by the S&P 500 - **The Idiot** - Invests in an asset that is still at a loss for for almost 10 years -- 10 years being the holy dogshit grail of a lost decade in investing **Since the 2017/18 ATHs, 7+ year time frame* | | Dec/Jan 2017/18 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | ETH | 82%| 9.25% | ADA | -32%|-5.2% | XRP | -33%|-5.7%

Brakat013

2030: bitcoin is GOLD

Business_Accident576

What is the difference between buying GOLD, and buying SHARES IN A GOLD-PRODUCING MINING COMPANY? An ounce of gold in your hand, or a facsimile of an ounce of gold on your training account! Now, apply that differentiation to buying crypto assets, and leveraging crypto assets .... Two different kettles of fish altogether

BoratOhtani

I'm glad that my trading stack is locked on a GOLD ETF not stable coins, prevents me from FOMO on weekends. I wanted to chase that pump earlier lol 😂

biba8163

Rule of 72: Dividing 72 by the annual rate of return gives investors an estimate of how many years it will take for the initial investment to double. Investing in the S&P 500 Index, stocks have climbed about 10% a year for the last 50 years, doubling just about every seven years. If you are going to invest in riskier end of the risk/return spectrum than than S&P 500, your investment should have higher returns. Does investment have a higher annual return than the 10% returned by the S&P 500 or are you taking on more risk for less return? Even worse, if your investment is in a loss for 10 years, it's considered a lost decade of investing and many popular Alts are approaching that point. **Since the 2017/18 ATHs* | | Dec/Jan 2017/18 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | ETH | 82%| 9.25% | ADA | -32%|-5.2% | XRP | -33%|-5.7%

biba8163

Rule of 72: Dividing 72 by the annual rate of return gives investors an estimate of how many years it will take for the initial investment to double. Investing in the S&P 500 Index, stocks have climbed about *10% in a year for the last 50 years*, doubling just about every seven years. If you are going to invest in riskier end of the risk/return spectrum than than S&P 500, your investment should have higher returns. Does investment have a higher annual return than the 10% returned by the S&P 500 or are you taking on more risk for less return? **Since the 2017/18 ATHs* | | Dec/Jan 2017/18 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | ETH | 82%| 9.25%

biba8163

> Tell me tf again how spy was up 116% Rule of 72: Dividing 72 by the annual rate of return gives investors an estimate of how many years it will take for the initial investment to double. Investing in the S&P 500 Index, stocks have climbed about 10% a year for the last 50 years, doubling just about every seven years. If you are going to invest in riskier end of the risk/return spectrum than than S&P 500, your investment should have higher returns. Does investment have a higher annual return than the 10% returned by the S&P 500 or are you taking on more risk for less return? **Since the 2017/18 ATHs* | | Dec/Jan 2017/18 | Annual Return |:-----------|:------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 380%| 25% | QQQ | 215%| 18% | SPY | 116%| 12% | GOLD | 116%| 11% | ETH | 82%| 9.25%

BoratOhtani

Only a month in the new year but my biggest gainer is $GLD Yep physical actual GOLD 😄

Jeroen82

We $HOLD for GOLD cuz we won’t settle for less 🫡 @everybodyholdX is the go to project if you looking for that 1000X ROI and want to sleep like baby because you KNOW what you $HOLD 🚀✨🌙 Top 10 Holders: 4.67% Top 25 Holders: 8.71% Top 50 Holders: 13.05% Top 100 Holders: 17.68%

No-Guide58

TL;DR Still just get 'em while you can. Agree that the majority of wealth is owned by the elite. However, it is up to the individual to determine their own distribution of wealth. It is not easy to swallow, and it is not systemically easy to get rich by any means, and it is getting harder. But truly, innovators and early adopters always end up being "the rich." When later down the road, the less inventive, less proactive population wants to begrudgingly muddle around at the bottom throwing hate at those above for making correct calls and reaping the rewards for making the best go of it and adding value to the market with what in hindsight seems like not risk but ease. Crypto--BTC--could be looked at as a paradigm shift in the "new" most popular valuable asset that the rich hold. But when you think of it, look at how many regular old folks have recently changed their own lives and become millionaires, securing generational wealth by simply taking calculated risks in owning BTC early on. Governments, Inst., and the elite are not necessarily early adopters but have the capital to buy high and have started to accelerate that movement, which is why the price is where it is today and also means today's price is fair. Same with Land and GOLD, IMO--hate me if you want. But I still stick with the fact that an individual can determine their own distribution by deciding to buy today, tomorrow, and whenever else they can before the rest of the big players get in. It will never be worthless if folks hold it and sell it. I know I missed my opportunity for a larger distribution. I don't kick myself, I buy what I can. The more of us that do that stake a place at the table. Thanks for the interaction.

likelickpssy

NO. If there is no miner/network/hash rate - the network collapses, is that not right? Its not like GOLD where you can shove it in some ground. Bitcoin is ON CHAIN, this chain can be compromised if there is no security with hash rate (and related costs)? Am I not understanding this right?

Crypto_Powered

Sounds like someone who does not live in the states, mate. Nice try but this is the NEW GOLD RUSH and you must be either deaf dumb and blind to not see how crypto PUMPED after he won. You guys abroad need to stop believing what the media spoon feeds you.

skexzies

Imagine the depression in GOLD prices as the USA sells it to buy Bitcoin. Gonna be some real angry gold bugs in the near future.

Purple_Errand

you think GOLD won't surpass its own worth by 2029?

VicVip5r

It's not just this, there is considerable price discovery happening with the 21MM BTC as more people realize what it is and how it works, so there is considerable price appreciation. Eventually though, BTC will behave like GOLD more or less and the graph above will be true. If one satoshi ends up buying you a bagel today, expect the same to be more or less true in 100 years, similar to the suit analogue for an ounce of gold over time. that bagel that costs a dollar today will cost $100 by then though.

f0o1g11

no, it is probably the agenda from the shadows from those who have highest interest in disowning countries entirely of their gold ...some already did sell all their reserves after abandonment of the golden standard by the US GOLD IS FOREVER , ELECTRICITY IS NOT

Due-Imagination-863

slowly put $$ into ADA and XRP, but mindful we are starting the up, so more so SAVE up, and next big down (fall of 25' maybe) go BIG. BTC is safest, will be like GOLD longterm, ETH is safe, the two I mentioned safe with big future projects so they should each still 2x-5x from where they are now over next 6-12mths.

notobama41

ETH, NAS, GOLD and S&P 4 way split hold as long as you almost guaranteed profit

Pale_Arachnid_4883

He HOLDS a lot of BTC, just doesn't want his GOLD business to suffer.

Soggy_Stargazer

Look, it's easy for those of us who have been here for a long time to sitback and watch the rekage happen but shit like that is bad for adoption. I actually have some empathy for her situation. She is trying to capitalize on her "brand" and I gotta give her credit. In this case I think she got taken advantage of by some shady people and people made poor decisions and got hurt. Its easy to blame the victims here, but its really kind of fucked when crypto economists argue the merits of crypto against wallstreet to legitimize the asset class and people start to think that its "safer" now only to find out the hard way that not all crypto is created equally. Rugpulls and memecoins are bad for the cryptoeconomy as we try and build additional credibility to drive adoption. I for one welcome, and I know I am snorting some really good shit here, thoughtful, effective, and well informed regulatory oversight in the broader crypto economy. We can't be the wild west memecoin degeneracy AND expect to be taken seriously. The idea of "fuck you, I don't need you to take me seriously" is some prepubescent temper tantrum bullshit. I realize we are in /r/bitcoin here and there are probably more regulars in here that have a similar POV, but also, that fucking line was GOLD.

rndmcmder

This comparison makes no sense to me. I get why BTC is compared to GOLD. Both are one asset. But the S&P 500 is a stock index. It should be compared with a comparable Crypto Index. It would be more suitable to compare BTC with the most valuable company (Apple, which stands at 3.6T) Global Equities and Global Real Estate are an asset class. They should be compared with the market cap of the entire crypto market (3.7T).

Nieliedielie

I bet you this man does not get his hands dirty in oil and all that sh\*t. Man is out here writing a full page of PURE GOLD. POWSCHE is a project with so much to offer for the community, which is the receipe for a happy and hard working community + it attracts new people ORGANICALLY! With CEX listings coming, the first of which within 24hrs, this project will soon be one of the largest ones in the space and one that is respected by the masses. Imagine the status you get from being an early member of this amazing POWSCHE community, not even thinking about the price it will be trading at, at that stage. Closest to a family owned project you are going to find, because POWSCHE holders are family. PAW PAW PAW!!