GOLD

jwz9904

woah that's GOLD

thelittlepapaya

GOLD 💯

thelittlepapaya

ACTUALLY. GOLD. If you have BTC, then GOLD all day. BTC, GOLD and real estate are the best long term havens. Trump says gold to 20k by 2035 and I believe him.

Former_Passage7824

If you buy Pax GOLD you can

ExtensionNo8951

I asked this question to myself... ... ok, start buy GOLD!!

EarningsPal

Look at the bullish divergence in =DJIA/GOLD The gold spike was DJIA capitulation. M2 is all time high, rates cut, global M2 all time high. Even if there is a crash it will certainly recover. The crash was muted by inflation. Real inflation. Not the lies told.

DerpyTrader

This guy is a joke. How some of these people ever become wealthy is beyond me. He will hate on BTC forever, and it will be $250,000 and still "It is time to sell your BTC and buy GOLD".

biba8163

CAGR slows down after reaching higher marketcaps. - BTC has shown it can still appreciate even after reaching $1 Trillion marketcap. - ETH has shown zero ability to appreciate after reaching the $500 Billion marketcap ceiling - XRP has shown zero ability to appreicate after reaching the $100 Billion marketcap ceiling - Gold has only a 6% CAGR since 1979 - Gold went down -60% over 20 years from 1980 to 2001 - Gold went down -40% over 7 years from 2011 to 2018 - Gold was flat for almost 30 years from 1934 to 1970 Gold has its moments, then does absolutely nothing for ages after Gold Production ramps up supply to meet the demand and high prices. **BTC is still a good diversifier that continues to appreciate and has lower correlation to other traditional markets. Alts are a pump and dump asset class that can only provide good returns if you buy when they are down -70% to -90%; they are NOT appreciating assets that you hold for long term returns.** *Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) After reaching $1T, $500BB, and $100BB Marketcaps* | Asset | $1T Mktcap. | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 2/29/2021| 12.62% | GOLD | 05/21/1979| 6.06% | **Asset** | **$500 Billion Mktcap.** | **CAGR** | | BTC | 12/28/2020| 31.65% | ETH | 10/28/2021| -6.02% | **Asset** | **$100 Billion Mktcap.** | **CAGR** | | BTC | 10/30/2017| 42% | ETH | 01/06/2018| 16% | BNB | 11/05/2021| 11.81% | XRP | 01/03/2018| -4.06% | SOL | 11/11/2024| -29.31%

biba8163

ETH was $1,440 in January 2018. Taking BTC $20K ATH from Dec. 2017, ETH has underperformed BTC, Gold and even the S&P 500. | From Dec2017/Jan2018 | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 22.9%| | GOLD | 14.4% | | S&P 500 | 12.6%| | ETH | 11.1%| From when it reached a $500 Billion marketcap in October 2021 | From $500 Billion Mktcap | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | ETH | -6.30%|

jwz9904

GOLD is up too.

tcookc

you can use GOLD$ as collateral on Folks Finance

tcookc

and GOLD$ from Meld

Snoo-10598

i think we'ill be deluded by BTC growth against the dollar. which i started viewing more of a nominal growth ever since GOLD hit the 4K levels. I would start measuring BTC in terms of any assets from now on.

Any_Film_3897

Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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Bitcoin will flip GOLD in three years

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EvilBeanz59

No money has 7 basic principles: 1. Medium of Exchange 2. A unit of Account 3. Portable 4. Durable 5. Divisible 6. Fungible 7. (most important) STORE OF VALUE over time Things like currency has all these BUT #7 which is why its called FIAT CURRENCY not FIAT MONEY Money and Currency are 2 COMPLETELY different things. The paper backs you have now were once MONEY because you could exchange them for something LIKE GOLD (the rule #7 store of value) it now DOES NOT (hence inflation/purchasing power demising in the USD)

jwz9904

i guess people are not pivoting to digital gold from GOLD

biba8163

Even if you take BTC CAGR from when it reached a $1 Trillion marketcap, BTC return is competitive with top tech stocks after reaching $1 Trillion. And these are the best performing Mag 7 a lot of which have bubbled up with the AI narrative. BTC easily has outperformed the S&P and QQQ tech heavy indices. All this while BTC endured a massive bear market. Returns have come down but so has risk. Look at the 30-day volatility index in recent years and how quickly we bounced off a bear market. If bear market cycles (-80% draw-downs) become a thing of the past even the more modest returns will draw much more institutional interest as a lower correlated diversifier to traditional assets (depending on how damage Trump has done to the legitimacy of BTC and crypto in general which we will only know of in a regime change). If the growth continues, it will be BTC growth as a mature asset class in itself. The days of getting rich off BTC in a 4 year cycle are over. So are the days of doing 25X to 100X on shitcoins that rise when BTC goes on a bullrun. *Annualized from 02/19/2021 when BTC reached $1 Trillion Marketcap* | Asset | 1T Mktcap. | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | GOLD | 5/21/1979| 6.15% | AAPL | 8/2/2018| 25.14% | AMZN | 9/4/2018| 12.28% | MSFT | 4/2/2019| 24.92% | GOOGL | 1/16/2020| 24.71% | BTC | 2/29/2021| 14.48% | NVDA | 5/30/2023| 104.46% | META | 01/24/2024| 7.73% | TSLA | 11/08/2024| 7.19% | **Asset** | **1/2 T Mktcap.** | **CAGR** | | ETH | 10/28/2021| -2.34%

MakeItMine2024

Wait why not just send 3 pounds of GOLD in the mail .. lol ..

LogProud5446

You must understand basic economics, GOLD is better than your digital zeros and ones idiot.

Resort_Same

🤣he wants us to move towards GOLD

jwz9904

GOLD is up! 0.19%! that's why crypto not having it

OkZucchini5351

DUMP GOLD, send all those trillions into Bitcoin

b1mm3rl1f3

SPOT GOLD EXTENDS LOSSES, LAST DOWN NEARLY 5% AT $4,214.29/OZ Almost there 🤭

whataboutbenson

In the words of Tony Montana, “FUCK BITCOIN AND FUCK THE FUCKING ALTCOINS. FUCK ‘EM ALL. GOLD BURIED THOSE COCK-A-ROACHES.” Thank you for your consideration of this matter!

SocialIntelligence

>China has massively understated their gold holdings > That’s the complete opposite of Fort Knox. Saying they have ONE HUBDRED TRILLION DOLLARS IN GOLD.

ThreateningColors

You know what to do....... ALL IN GOLD!!!

bizaroo933

So tell me lawyers, what will be the next excuse if we dump even further while GOLD is going through the roof?

bizaroo933

People here screaming we are back while we are still crushed. Wake up, GOLD!! Go get some GOLD guys!

hduynam99

if you look at the chart, GOLD hit ath first then drop, during the drop BTC move up, investor sell gold for btc

jsofdc

Retail comes for GOLD then BTC, tops will be made.

Syncopat3d

How so? GOLD/SPX is currently at 0.653, a far cry from many of those historical values I listed, some much lower and some much higher; the current value should be much lower than the historical values if what you said is true.

bizaroo933

Told it yesterday. Sell this shit, buy GOLD

Syncopat3d

The 'underperforms' part is an often-quoted trope/opinion, but not really true depending on time horizon. GOLD/SPX is empirically cyclical at an interval longer than one human generation. Your claim is valid only if you subjectively choose a short attention span or recent horizon; compared to the wide range of GOLD/SPX values, there have not been enough cycles to prove the point about 'underperforms'. Historical data points for GOLD/SPX: * 1932: 4.7 * 1968: 0.66 * 1980: 7.8 * 2000: 0.192 * 2011: 1.688

ReMoGged

Interesting that PAXG peaked today at 4488, XAUT 4387 and GOLD 4379USD. PAXG seems to be always bit more expensive.

anthonyc110

Bros. Just set it and forget it. Trust me, I’ve been using this method of weekly buys for years now and it’s been working for me. The only thing I regret is not buying more on a weekly basis. Oh and also throw some strong stocks in the mix along with GOLD.

bizaroo933

100000000% GOLD

bizaroo933

Buy GOLD my friends! Gold is the safiest investment that excist. And yes this is financial advice! Enough is enough stay away from this scam market!

Emergency_Egg1281

I dont think its dead it being manipulated. Just like SILVER & GOLD were kept down artificially. The dollar will eventually go digital. I truly believe the entire crypto space is being controlled by a group of whales that have inside knowledge of events that move the market in advance. They are feeding on all newbies and , I hate to say it , the holders too. All that hold or have " diamond hands " are getting fleeced too. Holding and buying the dips is a great strategy but they still get drained over time as assets fall. Keep buying dips and before you know it you have a bunch of tokens but they are worth nothing. So everyone is exiting like they want. The pump will come as soon as you ALL sell. So please , listen to this guy and SELL , SELL , SELLLLLLL !!!!

LinoStar69

GOLD added BTC market cap in one week... crazy. I wonder it that money will eventually flow into crypto

LinoStar69

GOLD +10% since October 1st, why would retail invest in crypto that can rug -90% in 15 minutes?

PitoWilson85

Actually,the same government is robbing you and will blame you that it's your fault for being involved in the cryptospace because there are no laws for it nor against it, it's supposed to be a Free Market like the Wild Wild West . They will rob you and blame you at the same time, that's how twisted these politicians with their corporate and banking goons are. Remember, Crypto is considered almost like Counterfeit Money and all governments are against any currency that's competing against theirs. Get into GOLD AND SILVER NOW before the REAL CRYPTOCURRENCY DOES TAKE OFF.. 🚂 🚃🚃🚃

ButterflySecret6780

Yeah because central banks are buying BTC not GOLD

crowdext

This year I diversified and bought 2 more different wallets. I already have a real GOLD mine which makes BTC more valuable and I can send it world wide to buy everything I need.

Murky_Opening2532

Where did you get your info. ITS NOT GOLD OR BASED OF OFF ANYTHING. It has its own markets.

BuddyIsMyHomie

What’s insane is like—well, where else is your money safe? CASH? No, $DXY down >12% and the USD getting further devalued. EQUITIES? This WAS the move if you believed in U.S. Capitalism and engineering/innovation. Not anymore. CRYPTO? This ALSO WAS the move given policies, public bullishness, insider support (Sacks, Barron, etc.) Not any more… GOLD? This is ironically the place where you go when you don’t believe or trust in the administration. Apparently, DJT is either retarded, immoral and extremely greedy, or is acting on behalf of those who benefit from destabilization.

Syncopat3d

Such a foolish dramatic perspective. What if you try using Nov 2021 as a starting point, for a slightly longer perspective? GOLD: 1774 -> 3974 (+124%) BTCUSD: 56988 -> 121714 (+113%) BTCUSD has a higher realized volatility, so past performance is even less indicative of future performance. Yes BTCUSD is nice, but just because you like bitcoin does not mean you have to make fun of gold or gold holders.

Commercial_Leek6987

I am not “going on about” anything, I am pointing out that GOLD-SP500-BTC being down at the same time! Usually investors move money from one to another. Liquidation of all non-cash commodity at the same time is something I have not seen before.

Escapement_Watch

lol Crypto always stutters when GOLD PUMPS. We need gold to calm down and chop sideways then we can resume. But I think it will be a slow melt up bull run that extends into 2026. It is very different now with institutions and etfs.

Johnsie408

If they were all falling at the same rate then they would appear to be stable. You need to compare these currencies to something else like GOLD or BITCOIN, all currencies are losing ground against these safe havens.

LinoStar69

I bet GOLD will hit 5k before ETH 🤣

bitcoin_islander

Look up the GOLD/BTC chart and dont cherry pick data based on the last 6 months alone. Gold going nowhere.

iwannaskibbittvbeep

ETH, while it is the most useful ALT, will never be anything close to GOLD when it comes to inflation proofing your portfolio. Its closer to gambling, and most of my portfolio is in ETH, so take my word for it. I also do a lot of SILVER/GOLD investments.

iwannaskibbittvbeep

GOLD/PAXG is inflation proof because gold is a store of value. BTC and ETH are crypto, a small subset of finance and are affected by inflation. BTC will have more crashes. GOLD doesn't really crash that hard

olegai

and the reality is that if you would've bought GOLD you'd be in much safer space:)) and look at the gold performance this year ...

Lagna85

If u bought GOLD at the start of the year, you will have +53%. If u bought BTC, you will have +28%. For most alts, it's negative.

jwz9904

Old is GOLD

EvilBeanz59

more than that my friend. You are seeing more fiat chase the same amount of BTC. The direct reasoning on BTC and its ATH is because of easy money )easier than normal I should say LOL) because of this you see a direct influx of where those dollars go....GOLD BTC and other assets.

biba8163

*If you are lucky enough to be an investor who has access investments in the capital markets in the U.S, you really should diversify.* There are a lot of people in developing and 3rd world countries who don't have access this type of market that are relatively efficient, high growth, free of corruption and manipulation and BTC may be the only option for them. Use February 2021 as a starting point when BTC reached $1 Trillion marketcap as a global asset and not 2018, 2013 or 2010 when BTC was either a relatively small or tiny asset giving you some outrageous CAGR which cannot be repeated by a multi-trillion marketcap asset. From there BTC performance is still impressive but it's more in line with other traditional assets. It's actually very impressive that despite the huge appreciation in gold with central banks buying thousands of metric tons of it in the last few years and the AI narrative and CapEX spending in the stock market, BTC is still a top performer among these assets in the last ~5 years from when it reached a $1 Trillion marketcap. I throw individual stocks in the comparison because people inevitably scream NVDA today like they screamed TSLA in 2020. Outpeformance of various asset classes, individual stocks and even BTC wanes and waxes and nothing is guaranteed so diversification is key. BTC has been a great diversifier even after reaching a monstrous $1 Trillion marketcap. *Annualized from 02/19/2021 when BTC reached $1 Trillion Marketcap* | Asset | From Date | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | NVDA | 02/19/2021| 75.1% | META | 02/19/2021| 24.28% | MSFT | 02/19/2021| 18.06% | GOLD | 02/19/2021| 17.87% | BTC | 02/19/2021| 17.20% | AAPL | 02/19/2021| 16.18% | QQQ | 02/19/2021| 13.65% | SPY | 02/19/2021| 12.38% | GOOGL | 02/19/2021| 11.57% | TSLA | 02/19/2021| 11.44% | AMZN | 02/19/2021| 6.74%

jwz9904

retail are in GOLD

holyoak

Not sure drops in $USD qualify as new ATH. We should be measuring against GOLD.

dalvik_spx

The cause of “uptober” is quite simple: it is the beginning of Q4,and if markets have done well during the year, this forces sidelined tradfi capital into the market, needing to keep up with competitors and their own benchmarks. This is not just a simple matter of fomo, it is a necessity to keep up with your benchmarks and competitors, or you will lose AUM or even your job. BTC is a great vehicle for this, due to its high volatility, returns and liquidity. Not much can substitute for it in this regard. This is especially true if SPY and GOLD are up a lot on the year; it’s only natural to begin eyeing BTC as a way to catch up. Conditions going into the end of this year could not be more perfect for a textbook performance chase, as many were shaken out by the tariff tantrum and either underperformed or some still (esp liberals and moderates) sidelined entirely. Many of the traditional crypto specific seasonality effects are fading in relevance with a fundamentally different set of participants driving the market post ETFs. But the drivers of the Q4 performance chase have become more relevant, if anything. Credits: [https://x.com/grimacexbt/status/1973741517039878343](https://x.com/grimacexbt/status/1973741517039878343)

De4dMoney

Here is what I found today on X by @grimacexbt an excellent account to follow “Why is October often so bullish? The cause of “uptober” is quite simple: it is the beginning of Q4,and if markets have done well during the year, this forces sidelined tradfi capital into the market, needing to keep up with competitors and their own benchmarks. This is not just a simple matter of fomo, it is a necessity to keep up with your benchmarks and competitors, or you will lose AUM or even your job. BTC is a great vehicle for this, due to its high volatility, returns and liquidity. Not much can substitute for it in this regard. This is especially true if SPY and GOLD are up a lot on the year; it’s only natural to begin eyeing BTC as a way to catch up. Conditions going into the end of this year could not be more perfect for a textbook performance chase, as many were shaken out by the tariff tantrum and either underperformed or some still (esp liberals and moderates) sidelined entirely. Many of the traditional crypto specific seasonality effects are fading in relevance with a fundamentally different set of participants driving the market post ETFs. But the drivers of the Q4 performance chase have become more relevant, if anything.”

BitterEstimate

Fok I wish I bought stock in GOLD

Due_Condition_1832

Little late, but this popped on my feed, I wanted to maybe add at least one coin that’s unique in that it’s coin literally reflects the price of gold, its chart therefore is fantastic, it’s called PAX GOLD, so yea bitcoin is one you def want to have. Many others will say other big coins (ETH, Sol, LINK) but I wanted to add this as a good one to start with

biba8163

It's absolutely disingenuous to talk about global liquidity and outpeformance then to use the starting point of 2015 when BTC was a tiny $4 Billion marketcap asset that was almost at penny stock levels and had zero impact from global liquidity. Use February 2021 as a starting point when BTC reached $1 Trillion marketcap as a global asset. From there BTC performance is still impressive but it's more in line with other traditional assets. *Annualized from 02/19/2021 when BTC reached $1 Trillion Marketcap* | Asset | From Date | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | NVDA | 02/19/2021| 73.92% | META | 02/19/2021| 26.11% | MSFT | 02/19/2021| 17.78% | GOLD | 02/19/2021| 17.18% | AAPL | 02/19/2021| 15.89% | BTC | 02/19/2021| 15.37% | QQQ | 02/19/2021| 13.74% | SPY | 02/19/2021| 12.24% | TSLA | 02/19/2021| 11.29% | GOOGL | 02/19/2021| 11.22% | AMZN | 02/19/2021| 6.89% At around ~$1 Trillion range, an asset has reached megacap status and you need significant fundamentals and/or narrative to attract real money for continued appreciation -- the returns become muted. I mean look at ETH, it is returning negative since it reached a 1/2 Trillion marketcap 4 years ago. *Annualized Return of Assets after they reached $1 Trillion Marketcap (including 1/2 Trillion Marketcap ETH)* | Asset | 1T Mktcap. | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | GOLD | 5/21/1979| 5.96% | AAPL | 8/2/2018| 24.85% | AMZN | 9/4/2018| 12.15% | MSFT | 4/2/2019| 24.75% | GOOGL | 1/16/2020| 24.25% | BTC | 2/29/2021| 15.37% | NVDA | 5/30/2023| 106.73% | META | 01/24/2024| 9.97% | TSLA | 11/08/2024| 5.06% | **Asset** | **1/2 T Mktcap.** | **CAGR** | | ETH | 10/28/2021| -5.14% Even after reaching ~$100 Billion marketcap range, besides BTC crypto assets returns are much more muted or negative. *Annualized Return of Assets after they reached $100 Billion Marketcap* | Asset | From Date | CAGR | |:-----------|------------:|:------------:| | BTC | 10/30/2017| 50.08% | ETH | 01/06/2018| 19.67% | XRP | 01/03/2018| -1.17% | BNB | 11/05/2021| 14.04% | SOL | 11/11/2024| -5.17%

biba8163

I am up over 400% on all my BTC buys from the bear market in 2023. That's better performance than almost anything else I could have put my money into. Sure I could have put everything into NVDA or the 5 Alts out of 50,000+ that might have outperformed BTC but I don't have a crystal ball. Only thing I was fairly certain of was that BTC was trending up after a bear market bottom and it was a movie I'd seen before. *BTC is Alpha. BTC is the diversifier that gives you out-peformance in a portfolio of traditional assets* which you should be owning anyway. *A portfolio doesn't mean holding an assortment of shitcoins, the vast majority of which lose money and/or massively underperform BTC.* Alts give you ZERO diversification and only introduce more risk. Why? Alts have a very tight correlation coefficient with BTC, meaning you are totally depending on BTC appreciation to increase in value and even if BTC goes up, most Alts likely still won't appreciate much or at best just pump and dump which you won't be able to time. | Asset |From 2/10/2023 | |:-----------|------------:| | NVDA | 742%| | BTC | 428%| | GOOGL | 154%| | AMZN | 137%| | GOLD | 98%| | QQQ | 93%| | MSFT | 90%| | SPY | 59%| | AAPL | 49%| Sharing 1 address with ~$5,000 invested in cycle bear market of February 2023 ==> Current value ~$28,000 https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/38DsNUNwTfuGsnPzCF9EyotGq1wuuiqhsu It's a timelocked BTC HODL address. Here is the redeem script which shows the address whose private key can can unlock this timelocked address above. https://coinb.in/?verify=04d05f3978b17521027e56340dfee827c839e97d7557c4d273ba165617e5ea5f600d7f8415c72ec3ceac#verify - Address of Private Key: 1MdgmaePEskR9MLJK4YuhqxUhYKtK8yQDC - Message: biba8163 - Signature: Hy20piDSMP/CyMzIl736GES0x9oQPm3TeL0GNE/K5ZyuX+FPX2jW9kyW4AsYYkqwsMpz/XR7Cfwrj7Ezbu3Gg9w= - Verify @ https://checkmsg.org/

AccomplishedToe2217

This is GOLD

polymath_uk

It's a bit not correct. Origin: (BTC) mined using computation Scarcity: (GOLD) Hard cap based on availability on earth Volatility: (BTC) variable depending on f(t) - especially the hype cycle and maturity Regulation: (GOLD) also varies by country (eg whether legal tender) Divisibility: (GOLD) divisible to individual atoms in principle.

No-Masterpiece2246

Be patient. As governments roll out biometrics and CBDCs the crypto payments space could explode. Imagine black markets multiplying 10x or 100x. How will they be settled? OIL and GOLD are already being sold for crypto. Those are trillion $ markets.

bitcoin_islander

Look up the GOLD/BTC chart

LinoStar69

BTC is up \~10% since January, while NASDAQ is up \~16%, SP500 \~10% and GOLD \~40%. Yep that shit ain't worth the risk anymore

nezeta

BTC is now at $110K and expected to reach $1M eventually. Not many people doubt it anymore. So, why would it be too late? Do you really think like of GOLD and NVIDIA will do 10x?