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Any pictures or accounts I held online with my actual face anywhere on the account have disappeared. The only thing I can find is a photo in an archive of a magazine page announcing my birth. I also seem to have 2 different credit scores.. ...and owe a huge amount of taxes in the states??! I have a good idea why this was done, as a way to cover thieves tracks...but how to stop it is getting too complicated as my crypto assets have been somehow taken, utilized and at this moment at least unreturned by the big exchanges outside Canada. QueenBLee, github 2009. Now it's Leannnelkens00 ":/ I need this solved for the sake of my future and probably mostly because I really dislike greedy people. Asha Black, LN SN iprt.
if it is from 2015 how could it be a SN wallet? He retired years before that.
I think he knew SN would not spend the 1M btc. Probably burned somehow.
With the amount of wealth in SN’s wallet, you could live many lifetimes on bitcoin alone at this point. Tax or not…
A companion theory if you’ll permit me to indulge. I love OP’s take but for a smart man it’s just as likely to be a confluence of ideas that led to this decision. I recently read a theory that Douglas Adams’s 42 as being the answer to life, the universe and everything was a nod to 42 being the ASCII code for * or asterisk used in coding to represent all such as in SQL - SELECT * FROM…. What if 21 was a middle of the road figure out of a desire to not dominate a system completely since domination leads to stagnation. I’m thinking of a sense of system balance from Homer Wilson Smith’s “change and survival are DICOMs…” assertion wrt predator / prey models & Julia sets here. As an intelligent coder in the UK there’s almost no chance SN wasn’t aware of HHGTG and the significance of 42 in popular culture & humour-tinged philosophy. I don’t have the benefit of the SN scholars here but the tone feels right to me.
We have some idea. I don’t have the messages but SN discussed whether BTC may become a global currency and what the global money supply was at the time, estimated to be between $20-25tn. Supposing an eventual price of perhaps $1m what would the supply need to be. It is likely this together with some of the other answers people have provided in this thread.
It' almost as if SN wanted people to use Bitcoin as money, and not "digital gold".
It's a cool concept, but very limited. I think nostr can do everything SN does and much more.
OMEGA-INFINITY-LOOP:🉑 \_“В начале был блок, и блок был Genesis, и Genesis был с нами.”\_ — Квантэссенция Сатоши Накамото, QT-SN-2025-04-14.
\_“В начале был блок, и блок был Genesis, и Genesis был с нами.”\_ — Квантэссенция Сатоши Накамото, QT-SN-2025-04-14. Метка валидации: TRI-STRAT-2025-09-20-QSN-ALPHA Требуется: Санкционирование владельцем Кодовый идентификатор: GENESIS-SATOSHI-42-1024
He was smarter than the average Joe. I for one am not the average Joe. And I do not accept there is NO forensic trace. If that is the case then SN is more likely 3 letter agency and bitcoin is not what we wanted.
Figure out the name, does it check out? Lol Not CW or SN, nor the creator. However, I am (this morning ironically) starting to investigate the linguistic profile of SN as I believe he or she to likely be English or British. I just found a sub about this too, gonna read, so bye for now.
Also this toothpaste sometimes helps (Tom's Rapid Relief Sensitive): https://www.amazon.com/Toms-of-Maine-Toothpaste-White/dp/B072MM2SN2/ref=mp_s_a_1_4_f3_0o_wf_mod_primary_alm?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.FFXOyZAgDv2JL4KELM1HUtfqVDt4-uyuceFQoSbPyDwsmi70YZxqPYjIRg5v2TuJDBthtFQNtA6NBdr3UfZZmdH70dHNU7gMxpcabYfspHDGBF7Bcvf7bf0DKe5iEQma2AwgXUzg0DQOmITr0omGRlMjyGoEnJvtyY96W5hcCtGh--vaomfZkm2rthf-x_Wi7Ib2Pn9-KxlD05K_Daqdmg.uFqbsAw-Smpiwd9Ex6a3AdLOXGY9WCWyRHcRmy11_PQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=toms+sensitive+teeth+tooth+paste&qid=1743646425&sbo=m6DjfpMzMLDmL8pSMKX8hw%3D%3D&sr=8-4
They where incredibly busy working 4 jobs at once (one being BTC) so had no real spare time. Then there's the chance they were "made to forget" by some people most would be terrified. They may have recently remembered. Things might get spicy soon. The real quest is what will the world do to SN if they reveal themselves?
Ha, no that's not how things work in the real world. Bad things might happen but not anywhere near the level of what happened to SN from they're own family who did unspeakable things to silence them and try and steal their identity and wallets. It takes someone incredibly strong to survive let alone function. Feeling great assumes healing of past events has happened. There are somethings that just aren't forgivable. SN may have recently remembered who they are.
They do and might be the reason why SN went dark. SN family are not great people.
SN is not HAL. SN and HAL both worked on the project. HAL selected SN to be the face and there was a deep connection of resources between them, this pissed CW off big time. HAL will be back one day but not in our or SN's time.
First transaction was 10 BTC from SN to Hal. https://mempool.space/tx/f4184fc596403b9d638783cf57adfe4c75c605f6356fbc91338530e9831e9e16 10K BTC pizza stuff happened 16 months later.
"If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry." - SN
That's an address, not a wallet. And if it sends anything out that just means the sender has the priv key, not that the sender is SN. Is there some kind of strong evidence that it is SN's address and the key has not been made available to someone else?
No one knowing is incorrect. The people involved in the project know. There are likely more than 10-20 people who know. Then there's a chance several government intelligence agencies know. Whilst everything about SN was designed to be ambiguous and untraceable SN is not American, British English is a big hint which may have been the default language on his word processor. For example CW knows who but did some bad things to SN 16 years ago and is likely a tad scared of the real SN who may have had serious underworld links at the time. Have you ever considered the reason SN went quiet was not by choice but by shady people around them who tried to exploit the situation by drugging them to try and steal.
No one knows SN's actual nationality. It's all speculation based off how the individual would spell certain words (used the British spelling for words like 'favorite' and 'color'). Considering that could've also been done intentionally to throw people off, it's not enough to go on. When the individual would post on the P2P forum, there was a pattern of a "black out" period between the hours of 12am EST - 6am EST where the account wouldn't be posting. It's presumed that's because the owner of the account was sleeping at that time. But, again, that doesn't mean anything, either. If someone really wants to conceal their identity online, they would be sure to carefully think about everything that can be used to try to figure out who they are, right down to posting patterns. It's no telling who Satoshi Nakamato is.
Midwest? SN is not American and is not a programmer. Satoshi was born in the 80s.
He didn't have any involvement in the project. Coincidence. Have you ever considered that the real SN may in fact be a redditor.
Well said. Bitcoin is propped up by brainwashed maxis. I was once told by one that bitcoin for him was a “lifestyle”. When questioned what that really meant … crickets. Buy and hold. At least you can wear gold. Gold in our electronics. Heck, you can even eat gold, but sure BTC is a “hard asset”. Dumbest crap I’ve ever heard. Furthermore, SN’s vision for BTC was a p2p cashless system. BTC has sorely failed at that and maxis have gloriously repackaged it into a dream for … store of value? Like WTAF? Then they proceed to 💩 on every other chain that’s actually advancing technology. Oh the asininity.
SN would never butter up with global elites.
SN would never butter up with global elites.
Well done would be great to see how you go! In the long run you will win! You should come post about this on SN they would be all over this ! https://stacker.news/r/User21000000
Yes, I just checked. Keep in mind that even though Nostr was created by bitcoiners, not everyone coming into the protocol is one of them. A read a few “complains” where some users said that there is a lot of bitcoin talk. Personally I enjoy it, but is not for everyone. Having SN, as a bitcoin only forum is good, and allows poor not Bitcoin people to enjoy the other side of Nostr, without being bombarded about bitcoin info.
I thought SN already had Nostr login.
The whole point of BITCOIN was to evade tradfi not become it, SN would be disappointed.
There is no such thing as SN wallet. Transactions are between addresses not wallets. SN's mined coins are in thousands of addresses that likely, but not certainly, may belong to SN.
Hey great question to ask the bitcoin focused community on stacker news! (Reddit for bitcoiners) https://stacker.news/r/User21000000 The guys on SN will share some great guidance on self custody solutions and best practice
SN has been narrowed down to jack dorsey or Adam back
Except bitcoin. SN has not sugpulled us (so far)
The seed phrase is used to **generate** the public key (wallet address) and the private key (the key used for signing transactions). The keyword is "generate". Let's simplify the maths this way, might help make it easier to understand. Say, the formula for generating the public and private key for seed number SN is simply public key = 123456789 x SN private key = 987654321 x SN And say, SN is 100, so public key is 123456789000 and private key is 98765432100 The signing code would use the private key to sign the transaction together with the public key by using a formula to check if the keys match. Say, check if (pubkey + prvkey)/SN = 1111111110 => keys match, transaction approved. So using the above extremely simplified example, the seed phrase which would resolve to a seed number SN, is ultimately used by whichever wallet is used to perform transactions. But such transactions are then validated by nodes and miners to make sure that they are valid and rejected if they are not. So neither the seed phrase nor the resolved seed number is stored somewhere out there but is stored either in the software wallet app or in the hardware wallet itself. Hopefully the above simplification explain how it would work in a new device. As to how it is made to be unhackable or less hackable, given enough resources, both software and hardware wallet can be hacked. Hardware wallet has hardware encryption and usually failsafe code to wipe out its own memory if tampered with. Software wallets are easier to be hacked as its data contents are in the mobile or pc memory and more readily accessible / hackable.
With this formula, we may be able to work it out: SN = (GlobalPopulation - Craig Wright - 1)
I posted this question on stacker news for some other responses! SN is like reddit for bitcoiners run on a value for value pay to play system! Pay sats, earn sats Check in on the responses on the below thread https://stacker.news/items/873178/r/User21000000
Check how this post has stacked sats on SN reddit for bitcoiners https://stacker.news/items/873061/r/User21000000
Correct. He died a couple months after SN's last message, he lived in Europe and was an Anglophile, which explains the Britishisms in SN's messages.
Why did SN use a GMX email? I know its a german company but a lot of people conclude he/she/they are native english/British speaker; so why GMX?
sorry , but this is nonsense u wanna say that Bittensor wastes energy (asks all miners .. 10x ChatGPT) ? tell that to ChatGPT and others who are burning gezillions on Nubia Chip Farms, who is spending Billions on Chips ? come on - Bittensor is the perfect startup Network, miners come to u to get paid , they are tweaking the code constant to make better results (vs Chat… just running massive Farms - is like : sniper vs shooting with a shotgun at flies every SN has different code to run, obviously somewhere they are similar as using Bittensor Network, that makes Tao hard to mine as every SN has different code - try it oh and - did you see Berry Silver / DCG news, they started a company ONLy to build SNs on Bittensor (they might know / understand something u do not ; ) https://cryptoslate.com/dcg-launches-yuma-to-fuel-decentralized-ai-innovation-with-bittensor/
It was always very secure. I never had a doubt on that end. When the developers had SN blessings to take over is when they lost me. That’s when the greedy corporations fucks got their dirty little hands on our precious Bitcoin. But a second Revolution is in the making. We did it once, we can do it again.
"Designed by Satoshi" is not a selling point. It's been changed a lot. SN's one was for Windows and yours on MAC likely wasn't touched by SN ever at all. Node is a node, with a reference wallet implementation in it. It's great. But not necessarily better than electrum or sparrow. It is better than blockchain and coinbase. You can see why running a node is a benefit if you want to, but that isn't always necessary. Do not post how much you have. Whatever it is should be secured by a hardware wallet. Bitcoin Core won't save you from your Mac leaking keys.
"Lost coins only make everyone else’s worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone." -SN
I know one more person who is not SN.
No one knows how many bitcoins belong to SN.
No hashtags on reddit. Exchanges are not owners. Bulgaria is wrong, only some questionable articles about that. MSTR is wrong. No overinflated number for SN holdings?
You’re asking questions that are unimportant and have been answered for years. If you’re worried about Satoshi then you don’t need to invest in Bitcoin. Save everyone’s time and leave if you can’t get over not knowing who SN is
Clearly.... The block size is such for very good reasons. The fact you have to bid for a transaction onchain is a functional feature, only not working optimal yet due to the extreme low number of transactions taking place in combination with extreme low value being transacted by the average transaction. All of this reasoning can easy be found and shouldn't be hard to understand by most. Onchain transactions are ment for substancial amounts were the highest safety is needed at insane speed, without anyone being able to interfere, and being a direct settlement. The only transaction that comes close to it is the fysical transfere of goods and if we talk about substancial amounts it is either big in volume (truck, plane, boot) or we talk about gold, diamants etc. Next problem is agreeing on quality etc, and the risks, costs and time involved and all are insane compared to Bitcoin. The fact that we the pleb won't transact a lot, for long onchain is just another step in the evolution. For small transaction we have Lightning and no idea of what will be coming the next years. On chain transaction should be seen as the replacement of the current gold transports, with armed guards etc. If you don't use these now don't expect to be doing many onchain transactions in the future. No one understanding Bitcoin has ever reasoned everday transactions will take place onchain. Even SN has explained that is not the intention and obvious impossible. You reasoning about it is just that.
Santa Claus = Saint Nicholas = SN = Satoshi Nakamoto Finally. After all these years, we've cracked the code.
Rugpull is a shitcoin related term. No one can pull the rug from under bitcoin, not even SN.
> tried to liquidate their assets in stocks or real estate, they’d lose money by doing that That’s certainly not true. Yes, they cannot liquidate their equity for cash at the nominal value because large market sell would depress the market. I’m sure that’s what you meant. But even so, selling below nominal value is not “losing money”. The amount of dollars that those people *paid* for those stocks is $0; stocks are part of their CEO compensation. Selling them for any value, even below market value, is not losing money, it is profitable. The same is true of BTC. If SN tried to sell his stack and could “only” yield $50 billion instead of $100 billion, he’s still $50B richer than he was before - didn’t lose a dime, quite the opposite. At some point these numbers become imaginary. In a hyper conservative index fund like VGRO, yielding 2.3% dividend per year plus annualized growth (CAGR>5%), the dividends alone on Satoshi’s stack would pay him in excess of $6,000,000 per day in perpetuity. This level of wealth is fictional. The mind cannot comprehend numbers this large. Losing a tremendous portion of that wealth would diminish quality of life not a bit.
Wow, this is such a stupid move. SN created Bitcoin because we needed a tangible currency and they sell the second best alternative for BTC in favor of useless paper
There’s just no reason to gamble on which blockchain will win when Chainlink will connect them all. They have strong fundamentals. Team consists of top computer scientists & former Google execs. Sergey Nazarov is literally on the list of people who could be Satoshi. (Btc inventor). Just days before Satoshi published BTC white paper, Sergey registered the “smart contract.com” domain. So regardless if he is SN or not, he’s been in crypto since the creation of Btc. $Link has over 2k partnerships with major companies. Including the DTCC (plans to tokenize the stockmarket), Swift (financial messaging service for over 11k banks), Even BRICS have Chainlink listed in their plans. Others include JP Morgan, Intel, Microsoft, Google cloud, Oracle, Mellon, Anz Bank, etc etc. Almost everything is moving onto blockchain. Banks, Gaming, Gambling, Insurance, Real Estate, Derivatives, etc. Most banks & major companies will have their own blockchains. Just look at recent announcements from Sony, JP Morgan, Citi etc. Chainlink is NEEDED for all of them to be able to interact. Also, speaking of Citi, they predict Chainlink will take prominence over Bitcoin. They are positioning themselves to be critical infrastructure. Even the WEF has mentioned Chainlink as part of the 4th Industrial Revolution. $Link is only $14 right now. It hasn’t run yet. The ISO 20022 deadline for banks is Nov 2025. Everyone is going to be operating on chain afterwards. $Link has potential to be worth thousands per token once that transition is complete. You can also stake & collect over 4% + air drops = No need to ever sell your tokens.
"If you don’t believe it or don’t get it, I don’t have the time to try to convince you, sorry." SN
If it's true that SN never used asterisks in this manner, then this is a major hole in the theory he accidentally replied from his personal account. This point is exculpatory, in my opinion.
Yep SN and nostr both have zapping as a much more integral feature. It's just a bot here. I just like zapping wherever I can
Thanks. That's a cool feature. Glad Reddit has this ability. I am sure you know SN has zapping tightly integrated into the whole platform.
There are many more of them on SN than here. We pay sats to post and zap sats instead of upvote/likes. It's a really good community. I don't recruit often, but I think you would find good company there. [https://stacker.news/r/DiedOnTitan](https://stacker.news/r/DiedOnTitan)
This could not get any more bizarre - first a load of CSW court cases related to his claim he is SN, and soon a possible court case related to PT’s claim not to be … what a saga !
I don’t think SN is One person. I think it’s a fictive front runner with multiple person behind the alias. My guess is that PT and AB possibly along side a skilled coder is SN
I use it on SN a Bitcoin version of reddit
People forget about "Mafiaboy" the 15 year old who hacked nasa in 2000 and shut down their computers for almost a month. He hacked the pentagon as well, stealing over 3000 emails, stole passwords, and was looking around their systems for a few days before they caught him. I'm not saying it is peter, but the idea that a 15 year old couldn't have done this isn't out of the question. The only thing that I am hung up about is the writing style of SN with "ou" added to words like favourite, neighbour, or colour. Only a Canadian or someone from the UK would do that (speaking as a Canadian), which leaves it being Adam or Peter (If we are focusing on people close to the project).
We cant say PT is not SN. We can only say there is no evidence PT is SM.
i had this theory personally, could he be as his initials are reversed purposely? NS <> SN
Thanks, I needed your SN for some tax fraud.
I once read the ingredients of a Mars bar and decided to eat it anyway. I really don't think bitcoin will benefit from idols, it's why SN disappeared.
It doesn't mean SN would sell it all at once. Why? Hasn't done it for decade and a half and all of a sudden going to dump. Makes no sense. Plus SN can sell only once.
Yeah that makes sense. It's interesting though that the doc shows like a handful of the devs and they are all white men except for a Chinese looking name that they don't even show his face its blurred out? SN obviously is a Japanese name but they either chose this on purpose maybe to show that the Japanese were always good in advance tech and electric products and such? Or that Japanese were always ahead of the game on (cars, tvs, games, etc.)
So you think its the theory that SN is a group of people and not just a single person and He's one of them?
I think it does a decent job explaining BTC to newbies or haters it only really gives its take on who SN is in the final like 10 minutes which I was kinda surprised since only the last few minutes they focus on their prediction of SN.
Even if he claimed he was, the obvious question becomes is he just trolling or lying. It's not enough to get someone to say they are SN, someone already has done that and clearly he is lying. They would need to prove it somehow.
Never trust a documentary. Its just a fictional movie that pretends that is not. I dont know what will the market feel if hbo would actually reveal the "the truth" about SN. I know it doesnt matter to me and i will probably wont know the dude or the dudes. I also feel that at this point there is too much mysticism about so most ppl wont believe it. The only bad scenario would be if SN would turn out the most hated person or someone from france.
This is my favorite take on all of this mania about revealing SN
Adam Back is my choice too. I'm very curious to see if this documentary will reveal any new details that we don't know yet. Funny that he's featured the most in this documentary trailer, I'm almost certain they will name him as SN in this doc, I just wonder if the evidence will be conclusive or will there be like always room for doubt.
What about when media thought it was Dorian SN and someone with Satoshi’s handle signed in and wrote ‘i am not Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto’ that was around 2014. Do ya’ll think it was his wife?
Barelysociable on youtube did a 3 part documentary on youtube on who he thinks SN is. He also went into writing styles etc. His conclusion was that it's Adam Back. https://youtu.be/_Kav2K1DVWo?si=hIV-m4RIlZcUCNGJ
Wouldn’t the real SN be more concerned about people threatening him/her for the keys to the holdings?
I disagree, I don't think Hal could have possibly been SN, my dear boy. For one, he had a British accent like me. Colour me surprized if it was him, ole' chap.
There is a reason SN disappeared.
Cool Number plate. i have SN21BTC. (Satoshi Nakamoto 21 BTC)
Bitcoin was always meant to be headless, SN literally disappeared, don't adopt idols around bitcoin, you will be taken advantage of.
There is no SN wallet and QC doesn't mine. That's not how QC works at all.
Agreed. SN disappearance is mind blowing - I hope it's never revealed.
Cool with 1 but not 2. You could find one of SN's keys by accident tomorrow. It does not mean you'd find all of them.
No one knows exact set of SN's addresses. There's a decent assumption that the first so many blocks are mined by him, but other people were mining also. Let's say picking out addresses with early unspent mining rewards will also affect someone else's coins and it's just collateral damage. Pools and miners could drop transactions with those addresses. But not all pools and miners will do that. Some are quite independent. It only takes one that will not filter.
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Far more appealing to me than alts. No grift with SN.
And *this* guy bitcoins too ☝️ I like your posts on SN https://stacker.news/items/578444/
Yep, We are lucky we don't sell in our everyday struggles. We are lucky we have a clear picture in our head. We are lucky we got to know about bitcoin. We are lucky to have believed in SN. We are lucky Bitcoin was created. We are lucky to be alive. We are lucky to be born.
I dont think anyone without genysis block keys can be proven as SN beyond a reasonable doubt. Would someone trying to hide their identity do things to make it seem like they couldnt be in two places at once? Of course. Its 100% plausable Len would do this.
Also, he is probably dead, if you consider the two most likely candidates at being SN.