EU

Top-Local-7482

It is another way of thinking about money, EU don't value money the same way as USA, in EU government tend to make the wealth gap btw the richest and the poorest as small as possible. So the society is more equalitarian for all. To go further EU should put a Tobin tax in place too.

twitterfluechtling

Bullshit. 1. States have budgets, no state can afford to just ignore a huge reduction of tax revenue. This is an issue with the Netherlands previous tax system, not the welfare state. 2. Looking at wealth distribution and tax collection, we still have a system where the rich get richer while lower incomes get poorer. The problem is not preventing that, i.e. not taxing the rich enough. (That assessment is not related to the current tax law changes mentioned in this article, but neither was your comment.) 3. Looking at GDP to debt (https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/GG_DEBT_GDP@GDD/CAN/FRA/DEU/ITA/JPN/GBR/USA), it seems the USA is much worse off than the EU countries.

piszczel

I'm European btw The only thing EU does is regulate

Whatevs56

Shipments leaving EU or entering EU?

mneymaker

$ZIM +32.7% on German EU open. WTF i 've never been that lucky. HALT incoming on US Tuesday open? 13% S.I. with 5 days to cover https://preview.redd.it/bgw6cplnktjg1.png?width=761&format=png&auto=webp&s=dfd6280060037a32b11584d8cbdbf3c30c3304b0

NotMe357

Some stock can be trade on EU market like for example, search for MSFT + German stock and use € to $ then you can see the price in dollars.

piszczel

Isn't that, all of them. EU doesn't make anything 

asdafari14

> capitalism has shifted away from rewarding people who generate real value (jobs, innovations, etc) to people who generate profit (MBS, buy company and squeeze value, etc). Maybe in the case of P/E but you don't think SpaceX, Microsoft, Nvidia, whole tech and finance scene have created well paying jobs? Those are the reason so many want to work in the US, because those jobs in the US pay 5-10x more than anywhere else like Canada or EU.

SuicideRabbit

For shipments outside of EU

arschgeige99

In other countries in the EU, Germany and Romania are in my mind because I watch very often they have spiked some taxes and cut a lot of spending, I think they‘re preparing for a gaping hole in the budget…

kaapooj

guys EU will per july 1st 2026 introduce a new tax €3 per category of for shipments <€150 e.g. package with 1 t-shirt, 1 pen would cost +€6

blorg

> You will have full access to your banking and brokerages because it's still tied to you as a U.S. citizen even when you live overseas. This very much depends on the broker. Some will allow US expat clients but many, probably most, will not. Some (like Interactive Brokers) will deal with people in almost any country in the world; others (like Schwab) will deal with people in a specific list of countries and not otherwise. There may also be other limitations. For example people resident outside the US cannot buy US mutual funds. This is a US-side restriction. If they move to Spain, they will no longer be able to buy ETFs either, as they don't come with a [KID (Key Information Document)](https://finance.ec.europa.eu/consumer-finance-and-payments/retail-financial-services/key-information-documents-packaged-retail-and-insurance-based-investment-products-priips_en) which is required by EU securities regulations.

HumongousShard

And yet, no tax at all (like what Luxemburg is doing) is legal under EU law ?

Gollomor

I am from the EU

Fun-Read7746

Why are they doing this? Isn't netherlands one of the least deficit countries in Europe? I feel like this will have a ripple effect all over EU if it's passed

HomoAndAlsoSapiens

It isn't an EU law and has a more complicated history than you understand. ChatGPT is free by the way.

daytrader987654321

I follow VKTX very closely and I’m bullish on their products. That being said, their CEO is a liability. He thinks his company should go for 20Bn and has allegedly turned down offers from Lilly in 2024 and Pfizer in 2025. He needs to accept 10Bn. Otherwise Structure and Kailera Therapeutics will be acquired first and Viking won’t be able to make it alone without massive dilution and only getting low single digit % of the US market. They don’t even have money for EU trials which they never even mentioned.

HomoAndAlsoSapiens

It's not an EU law. ChatGPT is free by the way.

HomoAndAlsoSapiens

It's not an EU law.

Aggravating-Dig783

Well this not new and explains why EU has 10x fewer startups and no unicorns to speak of. Taxing stock and options grants guarantees brains will move to the US.

Aromatic-Teacher-717

I would mock the average return of the EU market vs the American one, but... The dollar has lost a lot of value since last year.

Blue_winged_yoshi

I mean nothing online corroborates that salary level. Don’t know that guys experience or whatnot, but it’s just not what anywhere else says and would be stupid to offer a salary that low for a consultant cos they can work anywhere in the EU or Switzerland. Basically if something online seems off double check it, especially if it confirms your worldview, cos that’s the misinformation you’re most likely to fall for. https://www.salaryexpert.com/salary/job/anesthesiologist/germany

Gorblonzo

It's not something that's ok. Its a compromise solution to a budget deficit brought about because it was discovered that the current system of taxation in thr NL doesn't comply with EU law.  The response to this should be discussed in that context, but it never would be on this US centric subreddit because you guys can't understand anything more complicated than "that way bad, this way good".

punter112

Widespread financial illiteracy. Strong real estate/home owner lobby. Cognitive dissonance when it comes to risk taking: on one hand you shouldn't invest/take risk because "what it goes down?" but then also those blood thirsty capitalists investing resources in risky ventures have it too good so we have to tax them! Old EU population in a nutshell.

Prisma1986

Not really, if you work for the EU or other organisations like UN, NATO, Europol etc. you are not paying any tax on income or investments. So you need to be in this exclusive class of people. All the rest are the poor/plebs.

tsap007

Naturally it varies by country within the EU and UK, but the overall comparison stands. This is pretty well documented. The capacity with both diagnostic imaging machines and cancer specialists is less in the EU, with some countries lagging more than others. The # of diagnostic imaging machines is 86 CT/MRI/PET scanners per million people in the [US](https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/health-at-a-glance-2025_15a55280-en/united-states_3517f35e-en.html) versus 52.8 per million in the [EU](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Healthcare_resource_statistics_-_technical_resources_and_medical_technology).

InformationNew66

This is by design. You will own nothing and you will be happy. The EU authoritarian program.

Various_Couple_764

While if this happens covered call fund, bonds (government and cooperate), and low growth dividend stocks would be your best investments. in 1978n there was 1 billionaire. historically the US had very few billionaires. Why there were 15 tax bracket with he highest bracket at 70% End result money in the US was spread out more equitably amongst the population. Today due to tax cuts by Regan, Bush, trump and the US now has 1000 billionaires with about 7 trillion in assets. Government dept spending has increased substantially after each cut. And it is getting harder to control inflation and social security and many benefits to the poor have been reduced and the average spending for healthcare in the US is double what it in most developed countries. today there are 7 brackets with the highest rate of 39%. But the billionars are nonpaying taxes. Most CEOs today don't get a slurry. they get stock grants and pay little in taxes when they recieve them. And they don't sellsotck for income. Instead they use the stock as collateral or a loan for income and no taxes on the income. from the loan. And if the stock, market goes up the bank loans them more money. Today the US tax systemetn is extremely inequitable. Overall in the EU is showing the same trend in billionaires but overall they are doing a better job maintaining benefits to most people.

Agitated-Actuary-195

Here the list of just some of them…. All lies • “£350 million a week for the NHS” • “Turkey is about to join the EU / 76 million Turks could come to the UK” • “The EU is forcing Britain into an EU army” • “The EU makes 60–80% of UK laws” • “We send £350m a week and get nothing back” • “Brexit will let us redirect all EU payments to public services immediately” • “The UK has no control over EU immigration” • “EU membership bans Britain from striking its own trade deals” (presented without transition/complexity caveats) • “Brussels bans bendy bananas / straight cucumbers” • “Brexit will trigger an immediate recession” • “500,000 jobs will be lost immediately after a Leave vote” • “Every household will be £4,300 worse off” (presented as a guaranteed bill) • “House prices will crash 10–18% straight after a Leave vote” • “World War III” implications from leaving the EU • “The NHS will collapse if we leave the EU” • “Leaving the EU means we leave Europe” • “Brexit will automatically stop all EU migrants from coming” • “The EU is about to abolish the UK veto in key areas affecting sovereignty”

Turbulent_Ad_7036

I feel the pain from this new tax law and it’s BS. But I also think the middle class in EU is different from the US. They don’t need to worried about being fired and lose the health insurance. Don’t need to worried about retirement. Beside that it’s almost impossible to get fired.

TweeBierAUB

Its just so different in eu. The netherlands only has 50 billionaires, with the Heineke heir at number 1 with 12 billion euro. Lot of money for sure, but even if we could confiscate all their wealth its only enough to run the country for like 2 months. In the EU the tax the 1% mentality is used to milk the upper middle class imo. The billionaires have their loopholes, and that sucks, but even if we would fix that we are talking less than 1% of the budget. There is never going to come any real revenue from that group, but any attempt to cut government spending is met with this tax the rich rhetoric.

transcending_sissy

Lol, you are assuming that life-saving drug is available to the EU Health system. It's only "free" if the system approves it, so it better be from a diseases that is common or not too rare or not too complicated, otherwise you're at the mercy of a public health bureaucrat and politicians :D

tootapple

This is why I’m never worried about the EU stock market doing better than the US stock market

include007

because unelected politicians in EU are corrupt as fuck

Whythehellnot_wecan

Not hacking but like the other guy said there are positives and negatives to different systems, cultures, and dare I saw certain policies adopted. I don’t think all EU countries trust their government to act in their best interest. France and UK come to mind. I have friends in both countries and don’t think they share the same sentiment. I also have a Swiss friend who from as far as I can tell lives in nirvana.

Dragonsven

It's still a bad idea, even for billionaires. It limits growth and if you want to see what policies built around these ideas does, just take a look at Europe. 20 years ago the EU and the US had equivalent GDPs. Now take a look. Anti-growth is bad for everyone.

Holden_Makock

And yet we have People in USA who claim USA is bad and want it to be more EU.

Odd-Future1037

We already are shipping our best and brightest to the US especially in the AI scene. We may not have an AI industry to speak of, but you know what we have? REGULATIONS! These twats at the EU thought that was a big point of pride. EU is starting to reverse course on a lot things now, but they need to drop this regulatory obsession with everything already.

Sweaty_Bad_64

It is easier to get rich in the USA. It is very difficult to become homeless in the EU. Frankly, you people suck.

Very_Curious_Cat

Well in my country (also EU) you pay 10% taxes on some retirement savings plans when you reach 60 years old. But the savings and interests may be claimed soonest when you reach 65. So if you die between 60 and 65 .... guess who's winning.

SoCal7s

Because they’re more focused on the community not the individual In the US it’s obviously the reverse. USA asks why can’t we all be “winners” EU asks why do there have to be “losers” I’m “winning” in the USA so that works for me BUT income inequality isn’t just a catch phrase, sucks for you if you’re not in or on a path to be in the Top 10% If AI fulfills its mission; sucks for you if you actually need to work for a living. Research old school Serfdom and see you future in the crystal ball

liquidmasl

tax on unrealized gains is stupid, but I would still never choose the US over the EU. Yes taxes are high, but quality of life is higher, I am okay paying taxes. Just want the rich to pay their fair share as well

MonsterMunch00

Varies dramatically by country. As an expat in Bulgaria I pay 0% capital gains on 90% of my stock portfolio (profits on EU domiciled ETFs are not taxable) and I only pay 10% income tax regardless of how much I earn. It doesn't get much better.

Intelligent_Top_328

Because EU hate people.

Dealer_Existing

So first of all you’re already answering your own question in the post. Secondly; Netherlands had or has a capital tax historically based on an estimated 8% return of investment. That meant that every year the capital is being registered on the 1st or january and then the government said; I think you made 8% ROI on the capital. Now pay us 36% of this 8%. This led to massive complaints when the 8% wasn’t reached, so now they are changing to a tax on the true ROI. They essentially are saying that capital increase is the same as salary, thus you have to pay income tax of 36%. Don’t you want to pay this in EU? Get a Portugese or Bulgarian residence :)

ImArchBoo

Current tax system for taxing stocks/bonds was deemed illegal based on EU law (2% of your assets p.a. based on fictitious gains). But the government budget can’t afford such a massive cut on taxes, and this is the best alternative they could come up with.

l3ef0re_Time

Norway isn’t an EU member.

YaLlegaHiperhumor

> Previous attempts to tax unrealized or assumed gains has been shot down by the Dutch and EU supreme courts. We'll see. [It was approved in Norway recently](https://azertag.az/en/xeber/norway_039s_wealth_tax_trades_millionaires_for_equality-3878503). It may be the first case in the EU, a first step into modernizing an outdated tax system that's been thoroughly exploited by the millionaire and billionaire classes.

TorZidan

Welcome to Bulgaria: Capital gains from trading securities on the Bulgarian Stock Exchange or any regulated securities market in an EU/EEA member state are tax-exempt. This exemption also applies to shares listed on equivalent third-country stock markets (e.g., US exchanges) as of January 1, 2021.

No-Beginning7509

We get taxed A LOT in the US. It’s just not as transparent as a lot of EU companies. While you might get taxed on unrealized gains, at least your gains won’t be wiped out in one unexpected hospital visit. Rant aside, I think the solution to this is to take shorter positions on stocks.

DenseComparison5653

This is Netherlands and it won't go through m why do you drag whole EU in this 

Big-Finding2976

There is no EU Supreme Court.

BarracudaDismal4782

Not just shot by the EU supreme courts, they were also shot by the Duch supreme court in 2021: "The Dutch Supreme Court (Hoge Raad) has already ruled in 2021, and reaffirmed in 2024, that taxing deemed or unrealized income violates the right to property"

Consuela-says-no-no

From 2028 pending senate approval... I will tell you 1 thing, it is way easier as a middle class person to save money in EU then in the US, coming from someone that moved from EU to US. In most of the EU everything taxed, works, and gets you a return, in the US you get taxed a little less, but have to pay for everything yourself still. Life is much more expensive in the US

springmeds

EU is not the same. You could move to Cyprus and have 0% tax on any capital gains.

thesaddestpanda

Except none of this happening and OP is being wildly sensationalist. Its a pie in the sky bill the dutch senate hasn't even approved. This bill has a slim chance of passing the senate. And a near zero chance of not being immediately repealed by the courts. Previous attempts to tax unrelaized gains has been shot down by the EU supreme courts. So even if it somehow passes, it will be removed. In other words, nothing is happening but the le reddit outrage machine is in full effect.

Honest-Bonus-6323

Just as I thought the EU stock market may outperform the US this year and then this. LOL

thesaddestpanda

We did. Its not a law. Its a pie in the sky bill the dutch senate hasn't even approved. This bill has a slim chance of passing. Previous attempts to tax unrealized gains has been shot down by the EU supreme courts. So even if it somehow passes, it will be removed. In other words, nothing is happening but the le reddit outrage machine is in full effect.

batukaming

Any kind of method trying to make money/living is punished in Europe. With the rising median age and low birth rate the tax burden will be increased for future generations to pay the pensions of old people and social benefits. It's too expensive for companies to hire new employees today. Unemployment is rising much more in EU vs US because we have way more immigrants on benefits than working here.

PageVanDamme

Upvoted. I appreciate the nuance. I was doing exchange student in England (Before Brexit happened) and traveled around EU. Something I noticed was that while they weren't putting up happy face, there was distinct lack of worry in the air.

TheNathanNS

Speaking as a Brit, if you're living in the UK, use an ISA. All stock investment platforms offer one. It lets you put up to £20k every year (each April, when our tax-year begins) and ANY profits you make are 10000% tax free. No tax on profits, no tax on dividends*, no tax on interest. All of it is tax free, even when you withdraw. Still get access to invest in US, Canadian and EU listings too, instead of just being restricted to UK / LSE only listings. It's arguably one of the very few fantastic things about investing here, and very generous for what it is. *: we still get taxed in US owned stocks, but we're made to sign a W8-BEN form before we're allowed to buy US shares, and any taxes from dividends are automatically taken upon dividend payment, but iirc that applies to all non-US residents.

itsarmansheikh

Taxing unrealized gains forces you to sell your winners just to pay the bill. It kills compounding at the root. ​Europe is effectively posting an eviction notice for capital. Money flows to where it’s treated best—and right now, that is clearly not the EU.

Wetzlar

EU and European governments are as anti people as it gets. Completely anti growth.

batukaming

Yep, any kind of method trying to make money/living is punished in Europe. With the rising median age and low birth rate the tax burden will be increased for future generations to pay the pensions of old people and social benefits. It's too expensive for companies to hire new employees today. Unemployment is rising much more in EU vs US because we have way more immigrants on benefits than working here.

batukaming

Yep, any kind of method trying to make money/living is punished in most of Europe. With the rising median age and low birth rate the tax burden will be increased for future generations to pay the pensions of old people and social benefits. It's too expensive for companies to hire new employees today. Unemployment is rising much more in EU vs US because we have way more immigrants on benefits than working here.

Aurelyas

What do you mean Impossible? It's not impossible, Sweden has one of the highest billionaires per capita in the world. You're right that the U.S is better in this regard, which why I plan to get a U.S Job with a U.S Salary, while using the EU country I live in for Healthcare and other stuff.

sarayewo

The whole system is designed completely differently, and one is not better than the other. In the US you're basically on your own, which can be a really good thing or a really bad thing depending on how much you're able to make, how smart you are about saving and investing and also how healthy you are. The government provides some limited vehicles but for the most part you can choose to spend all you make and retire with next to nothing, or you can choose to save a lot and live more lavishly in your retirement (and everything in between). This is partly why you see so many retired Americans traveling in Europe (in combination with limited time off during their work years). Prior to Obamacare, you could literally die from a curable disease if you don't have health insurance and can't afford treatment. In Europe, the Social democratic governments step in a lot more, takes from everyone in scale with their earnings to provide to everyone for their social, health and retirement needs. They control cost and pricing of healthcare, provide subsidies for the elderly and poor etc. So their overreach is much larger but the protections of everyone also are. Because you're also a lot more protected, there is significantly less hustle culture in Europe, as well as focus on career for white collar workers. There are parts of each system that are better, and they're impossible to combine. I've lived in as an adult and am a citizen of a non-EU, EU country and the US, and I appreciate a lot of financial freedoms the US system provides me, but there is always a lingering concern that you might go bankrupt simply because one of us gets sick and the life-saving drug isn't covered by my insurance.

Carsmes

EU is basically soviet union 2.0

Dribbler365

They are insane, incentivizing people to leave their country. If EU follows I wouldnt hesitate to leave.

Vegetable-Cause8667

EU meaning Europe? What is Planet Labs doing that others aren’t? There are many companies that use satellite to take pictures of Earth. What’s the catalyst?

Singularity-42

On the other hand Slovakia has no capital gains taxes after a year and Czechia after 3 years of holding securities. Both EU countries. I wonder if Dutch investors could leverage this somehow. I'm considering to FIRE in one of them, from the US (but I grew up in Slovakia) 

asdafari14

> But then again, why so much more obesity in the US? The difference in obesity between EU and Japan is even bigger. They have like 4% obesity.

Keeltoodeep

Bro the EU has some of the most famous tax loopholes and tax havens in the world.

Glass_Key4626

>So basically a large swath of Dutch wealth will leave the country in 2 years Also all the knowledge migrants who are paid a lot in company stock, and who tremendously contribute to the Dutch economy. And whom the Netherlands spent decades and millions of € attracting, because we have a massive shortage of tech professionals. They have less ties to the Netherlands and many have an EU passport, so they'll be gone in the blink of an eye.

YaLlegaHiperhumor

It's not insane at all. We all agree we need to Tax The Rich. This law will put us in the way to get there in the Netherlands (a notorious tax haven in the EU)

sreesid

Family of 4 spend about $20k to $30k per year in health care costs (including premiums). Then you have education. If you can't afford house in a good school district, it's 15k per kid per year for private school. Then there's university - "public university," if it's in state is about 10k to 20k. Out of state public or private is close to $60k, just for tuition. All of that is zero for most EU residents. Not to mention, you don't need a job to have health care, which is huge for anyone that actually wants to start a business. For all the small businesses that US seems to pretend to care about, you lose healthcare from your job if you decide to stop working to focus on your passion. You don't need GoFundMe if you get serious illness even with insurance if it's crappy. There are so many procedures that can go past the max coverage on some health insurance plans.

FeedRageandAFK

EU fan fiction.

Upstairs_Score4983

EU is about to shoot itself in the foot with this one. It feels like they're striving to bring back the feaudal age. The sole reason people bother investing is that the money they receive for the work that they do does not provide enough security for a decent living in the future. Now they won't help you with raising that security, but just the opposite - burn the bridge of your efforts to make a better financial standing for yourself by billing you for money that you haven't officially acquired. Feels like the next step is to hold you accountable for opinions you haven't yet voiced publicly or to persecute you for crimes you have not yet committed. I've read mentions they are planning to introduce Dutch citizen exit taxes to continue to tax you after you've relocated. Why tf stop there? They can just as well as introduce taxes passed on to your family, to tax you after you die on the money you would have owed in taxes if you kept on living... This feels insane.

lies_are_comforting

The EU banning X? Dude, Europe is not North Korea lol. Free speech didn’t start with the First Amendment. It started in Europe.

1sailingaway

The Dems are coming for your money. Just remember that. One party wants to grow and prosper everyone using GDP and buying power growth. The other would like to do it quicker and just redistribute money. Just look at Europe and its degradation. The result - High tax rates, high energy costs, low worker productivity, unelected bureaucrats deciding what can be said, high illegal immigration rates impacting low wage earners, tax rates that discourage workers from working harder and taking risks, etc. Poland seems to have its act together which is why the EU is pressing on them.

Mnm0602

Compare obesity rates with US-EU countries and you’ll see all you need to see about life expectancy differences. Even within the US you can see the life expectancy differences between states with higher and lower obesity rates and it maps pretty closely. It’ll be interesting to see if GLP1’s end up changing that longterm.

OneTwoThreePooAndPee

You understand that there are massive global forces at work on tech stocks right now due to AI and Trump, so "no reason" is not actually no reason? For example, I'd say there is a solid chance the EU bans X sometime in the next year. That's a risk spike for ALL social media platforms, meaning a potential permanent repricing downward as suddenly market availability is not guaranteed in a way it has been for basically all of the history of the internet.

NvivaLaNvidia

Average EU massive L. Proud to be an American. Downvotes to the left. Seethe

ReasonableBrother448

Contrarian view is that all of that is priced in and you add a frugal spending in own chips is not a good sign of being best in the future. It is also very unclear what kind of moats there are to be had in AI, is it all just a computational capacity release sloshing around from huge demand? Google is not a chip company, it is advertising company so the main question from earnings perspective comes from advertising. Who are they advertising more and where? How will Googles earnings go when EU starts hitting these freeloaders with taxes? US has suddenly lost the long held leverage to EU economic decisions and this market represents a huge portion of all tech earnings. EU is in midst of budgetary shifts where they will seek tax revenues and what would be more easier to tax than these freeloading techies?

spsteve

Nothing is "free" anywhere, but typical us health care costs range from 11.6% of salary (average for all employed health contributions + out of pocket) upto 30% for self-insured/employed. Those numbers are likely higher after the cut to aca funding though (no hard data yet). If you have something seriously go wrong (like needing major surgery) in the US system you can be left with a much higher %. So yes. Free is a bit of a euphemism but the negotiating clout of a single payer solution generally results in lower overall costs for consumers. At the end of the day the average life expectancy in Belgium is 3.4 years higher than America so they have to be doing something better. (Note I live in neither the US or EU, so this is purely observational).

Hot_Concentrate_7496

There is no end to EU silliness. There isn’t any regard for how such rules affect investor and the overall economy.

AvengerDr

Well, one day the EU will hopefuly eliminate these possibilities. He still must spend more time in Monaco than where he was born, otherwise he would be a fake resident.

Delicious-Plastic-44

Yes, the proposed Box 3 changes for 2028 are terrible if you’re an accumulator. But the current Dutch government has already said they intend to move toward a realized gains system rather than taxing unrealized gains long term. If you look at how the Netherlands usually handles tax transitions, they tend to wait until the last possible moment and then adjust. My expectation is: • 2028 (or maybe 2029): transition toward a realized-based system • By ~2030: fully realized gains framework In the meantime, there are already several straightforward ways to reduce Box 3 exposure: • Put more equity into your primary residence (reduce mortgage → less Box 3 assets) • Use pension structures (Dutch pensioen or foreign retirement accounts) • For example, most of my assets are in a U.S. IRA, which sits outside Dutch Box 3 So if Box 3 is hitting you hard right now, I wouldn’t rush to emigrate or restructure yet. I’d wait until 2028 to see the actual direction of the realized-gains regime. If they do end up locking in an unrealized-gains style system, then yes — at that point moving to another EU country can make a lot more sense.

Delicious-Plastic-44

Yes, the proposed Box 3 changes for 2028 are terrible if you’re an accumulator. But the current Dutch government has already said they intend to move toward a realized gains system rather than taxing unrealized gains long term. If you look at how the Netherlands usually handles tax transitions, they tend to wait until the last possible moment and then adjust. My expectation is: • 2028 (or maybe 2029): transition toward a realized-based system • By ~2030: fully realized gains framework In the meantime, there are already several straightforward ways to reduce Box 3 exposure: • Put more equity into your primary residence (reduce mortgage → less Box 3 assets) • Use pension structures (Dutch pensioen or foreign retirement accounts) • For example, most of my assets are in a U.S. IRA, which sits outside Dutch Box 3 So if Box 3 is hitting you hard right now, I wouldn’t rush to emigrate or radically restructure yet. I’d wait until 2028 to see the actual direction of the realized-gains regime. If they do end up locking in an unrealized-gains style system, then yes — at that point moving to another EU country can make a lot more sense.

Delicious-Plastic-44

Yes, the proposed Box 3 changes for 2028 are terrible if you’re an accumulator. But the current Dutch government has already said they intend to move toward a realized gains system rather than taxing unrealized gains long term. If you look at how the Netherlands usually handles tax transitions, they tend to wait until the last possible moment and then adjust. My expectation is: • 2028 (or maybe 2029): transition toward a realized-based system • By ~2030: fully realized gains framework In the meantime, there are already several straightforward ways to reduce Box 3 exposure: • Put more equity into your primary residence (reduce mortgage → less Box 3 assets) • Use pension structures (Dutch pensioen or foreign retirement accounts) • For example, most of my assets are in a U.S. IRA, which sits outside Dutch Box 3 So if Box 3 is hitting you hard right now, I wouldn’t rush to emigrate or radically restructure yet. I’d wait until 2028 to see the actual direction of the realized-gains regime. If they do end up locking in an unrealized-gains style system, then yes — at that point moving to another EU country can make a lot more sense.

atropear

Is EU expecting to compete in AI? Key ai people are getting huge salaries in US. EU is going to end up shipping their key people to the US. Probably gone for good too.

Cattle13ruiser

I am not giving you advises. But you have to keep in mind that in corrupt countries is where "true freedom" is. Once you pay the proper person - everything is possible. In EU there are plenty of corrupt countries and some countries in the EEA are not in the EU because they will lose their ability to manipulate or hide information if they have to follow EU directives and this will cost them a lot. Google AI told me there are 10 countries in the EU where there is no capital gain tax at all.

weirdallocation

Is it? Very few countries have the level of income Sweden has in the EU.

Silent_Jager

Not that straightforward in real life. Many EU countries have CFC anti-avoidance rules specifically for situations as such, forcing companies to be taxed depending on where the company management is effectively legally residing.

Vilan-Kaos

It looked like not allowing the majority to get ahead is making a glorious come back in EU. Tax everyone to the point there is no incentive to save and invest. Looks like there will be a exodus of money out of Netherland soon.

Cattle13ruiser

>just buy a property just over the border Or in another EU country, establish a company and make investments and own the property via the company and pay (lower) taxes from the company for a country which have lower or no taxes... Like what rich people are currently doing.

asdafari14

> net worths over 10,000,000 euros You must not live in EU. Here in Sweden, anyone earning more than 40k a year or have about 300k in investments is seen as "wealthy and should contribute more".

SimilarTap1419

Nope markets will explode higher on Tues as the tech rally recovers and charges higher. Deep discounts everywhere and traders will pour back in bigtime. Predict a 3% pop in the market in Tues. Also looks like the USA wants to cozy back up to its allies ( EU , Canada , Mexico, Asia ) because they are realizing they are losing business to China. A 3rd grader could have seen that coming with this kindergarten class running the US right now.

Alex150333344

No, they're getting an interest-free loan from Denmark and the EU. This is because the EU has deemed the project very important, as they want to become more independent from China. Furthermore, I've heard that other US companies are also interested in the project. To me, that's a bullish sign.

Sir_Lok1

I can see it going to $75 in a year. EU is getting more and more involved with the company.