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withywander

EU is a bloc of countries, not a continent. They are just a looser federation of states than the US is. Trump is a complete fucking idiot who is burning US soft power for personal gain. If you can't see past that then you're a fool.

UpbeatReaction1360

The EU as a collective hold far far more than china

Swamptor

Guys. The USA threatened a member of NATO. If that kind of global instability doesn't cause a dip, wall street is out to lunch. This move has locked former strong allies of the United States into a new trajectory of trying to protect and distance themselves from a unpredictable and erratic nation. It doesn't matter that he went back on everything. I'm looking for other countries and regions to invest in because with every new antic from this guy, I'm less and less confident in: - the US dollar continuing to be a reserve currency - the US corporate environment remaining stable and therefore profitable - the long term prospects of US goods and services in international markets (affected by trade wars) - other countries being comfortable using US software/services in their critical supply chains. Countries in the EU are looking for domestic cloud providers to rely on instead of AWS. Canada is strengthening ties with Chinese manufacturing. Hell, consumers in Denmark are allegedly using apps to detect US made goods in an attempt at boycotting the country. These things are all bad news for S&P 500 companies.

gregsting

The EU should make it automatic, adjust taxes automatically based on us tariff. We cannot use more time on this shit anymore

basicpred

I understand the geopolitics. I know Obama already made the pivot to Asia. I know EU underspend on defence and US has a point there. But you have see reality here. This is extortion by mob bosses. Every country in the world is now considering developing nuclear weapons. It's not all part of the big plan. It's just criminals stealing money.

beatlemaniac007

EU is a continent my man. US is a country. And combined they are just barely doing a bit more than the US. The EU countries had not been meeting their military spending targets that NATO has laid out. Poland, latvia etc have been and Trump never goes after them. Germany, Norway, Denmark have never met their targets until 2024/25 for the first time ever. And now the targets are raised for 2035. Biden

beatlemaniac007

Lol the factors you're raising shows you have no clue about what is really going on. You're falling for rhetoric and headlines and reactionary bandwagoning on reddit. The real analysis is not happening at this layer. You have to look at incentive structures to make sense of all this. I'm not pumping up the US, I'm not even american. The fact that you think all this strategy is coming from "the man" tells me enough. He is a mouthpiece, do you really believe he is actually strategizing all this? Yes, there is a big plan around all this, like duh. The biggest largest empire in the history of the planet with rock solid institutions, etc is not just suddenly going rabid for no reason. However, all I CAN say is that there is a plan...I don't have any foresight to know any better than you whether the plan will succeed or fail or whatever else. The US enjoyed dominating in a unipolar world all this time. Now with China/Russia creating new threats, both military and economic, the republican party has decided that the alliance structures are too costly and heavy, so they want to go more isolationist. The democrats would be less rude and "evil child"like but trust me, they want the same outcome (ie. getting allies to shape up and pull their own weight). They just would do it in a more professional way in public and not openly threaten random stuff like Trump is. Behind closed doors, they would be having very similar conversations as Trump with EU leaders.

withywander

The US helped the most, except for the part where the EU helped more? Lmao. Plus you've conveniently forgotten that it was Biden who helped Ukraine, and Trump has done extremely little and has co-operated directly with Putin. If you knew your own history you'd know that Ukraine has done a fine job of pushing Russia out of their doorstep and they only need more long range weapons to turn the tide. The fact they have defended against Russia for 4 years is practically a miracle.

Motorbarge

You missed this: >successfully passed an interim analysis conducted by the Independent Data Monitoring Committee [https://www.advarra.com/blog/what-is-a-data-monitoring-committee/](https://www.advarra.com/blog/what-is-a-data-monitoring-committee/) >What Is an Independent DMC? >A DMC is an independent group of experts who conduct a periodic review of accumulated interim data during a clinical trial. DMCs are strenuously recommended for certain clinical trials by both U.S. FDA and EU European Medicines Agency (EMA) guidelines.

basicpred

Your mind is a mess. Are you really claiming there's a big plan behind all this? This man is an evil child. And his friends are stealing your money dude. Wake up. You think the EU is weak and the US is strong. But your future is grim. Every and I mean every country in the world is derisking the dollar after today. And mocking your education system btw.

ThinkingOfTheOldDays

pundits believe he wants to give EU weirdos cover to remilitarize, at min

VelcroLounge_Lissard

Good points. The people of Russia have endured hardship for centuries. The people of USA will revolt as soon as their Pizzas go up in price by 15%. EU can and should strangle USA. Preemptively.

SaltyRiceCake90

i'm pretty sure the EU is in on the tariff pump and dump scam at this point

TWSTrader

**Institutional background here (14 years).** The "72-Hour Rule" remains undefeated. As we discussed earlier in the week: **The Tariff Threat was the Leverage. The "Golden Dome" was the Price.** You are witnessing the completion of the **"Madman Cycle."** 1. **Monday:** Threaten irrational destruction (Tariffs on Allies). 2. **Wednesday:** Create panic (Gold to $4,800, EU suspends deals). 3. **The Pivot:** "Productive Meeting." **The Institutional De-Brief:** * **The "Golden Dome" is the Alpha:** Trump didn't want the tariffs; he wanted European funding/participation in his Missile Defense Shield project ("The Golden Dome"). He used the Greenland/Arctic sovereignty threat to force NATO's hand on defense spending. * **The Market Mechanic:** Watch the **VIX** today. It is going to implode. * When "Tail Risk" (Trade War/Invasion) is removed from the table, funds that were hedging with Puts *must* sell those hedges and buy back stocks. This creates a **"Vanna Rally"** (a mechanical melt-up driven by options dealers adjusting exposure). **The Trap to Avoid:** Don't think "It's over, back to normal." The "Golden Dome" mention implies a massive capex cycle for **Defense Contractors.** * The trade rotates from "Safety" (Gold/Bonds) to "Implementation" (Industrials/Aerospace). * **Raytheon (RTX)** and **Lockheed (LMT)** are likely the real winners of this "Greenland Deal," not the Danish government. **My Take:** The "Taco Tuesday" call was right. If you bought the fear yesterday, you get paid today. Now, **Sell the News** on Gold. The fear premium is gone.

TWSTrader

>**Viewing this from an institutional lens...** ignore the "Turnberry Deal" suspension. That is just political theater. The market largely expected that deal to die the moment the tariff tweet went out Saturday. The real "Black Swan" in this article—and the thing that should actually scare you—is the **"Anti-Coercion Instrument" (ACI).** Most retail traders have never heard of this because it has never been used. It was designed for China, but pointing it at the US is a massive escalation. Here is why the ACI is infinitely more dangerous than standard tariffs: **1. The "Nuclear Option": IP Stripping** Standard trade wars are about taxes (Tariffs). The ACI is about **Property Rights.** * **The Threat:** The article mentions *"lifting of intellectual property protections."* * **The Impact:** If the EU invokes this, they could theoretically tell European generic drug makers, *"Go ahead and copy Pfizer and Merck's drugs; we will ignore the patents."* Or tell European tech firms they can ignore US software licenses. * **The Trade:** This stops being a "Soybean/Farmer" problem and becomes a **Big Tech / Big Pharma** problem. **2. The "Asymmetric Warfare" of the ACI** The EU knows they can't win a tariff war (The US buys more from them than they buy from us). So, the ACI allows them to target **Services and Capital**, not just Goods. * *Investment Restrictions:* Blocking US Private Equity from buying EU assets. * *Procurement Bans:* Banning Microsoft or Amazon AWS from bidding on European government cloud contracts. **My Take:** Watch the language coming out of Thursday's meeting. * If they stick to **"Retaliatory Tariffs"** (Bourbon/Harleys): **Buy the Dip.** That is standard playbook stuff. The market knows how to digest it. * If they officially invoke the **ACI (The Bazooka)**: **Short the QQQ and XLV (Healthcare).** * US Tech and Pharma valuations are built on global IP protection. If that cracks, the premium evaporates. **The Timeline:** The EU moves at the speed of bureaucracy. They meet Thursday. Implementation takes weeks. You have time to hedge. Look at **Puts on US Multi-nationals** with >30% revenue from Europe, and rotate into **Domestic Small Caps (IWM)** or **US Defense (ITA)**, which are immune to European regulators.

PlutoPlaneta

Wait.. so if US is only 20% and EU is 15-20%. what in world are the other 60%? Australia? South America? Africa? like, seriously?

CarcossaYellowKing

1. We can only force project thanks to Europe allowing us to keep air bases in their backyard and allowing us to dock at their naval bases. 2. If Europe dumps our bonds we couldn’t feed half our military 3. Russia can’t even defeat Ukraine so the EU seems fine. 4. Europe is now welcoming China because a slightly untrustworthy leader that is predictable is better than a fully untrustworthy leader that’s straight up retarded like the US.

SignificanceLate7002

🥭 said no forceful takeover and no new tariffs for what he says is a framework for a deal. EU canceled trade deal that benefited America more than EU. I think you mixed up the winner here.

FuckleUp

So the EU ended up invading Greenland and giving Donny his Prize 🏆 😂 Denmark 🇩🇰 😢

Express-World-8473

Lol the conservatives still believe that they don't need the EU to buy their bonds. They believe that the US institutions will buy the bonds, EU and China is selling and firmly believes that USA doesn't need help from anyone. Idiots don't know USA's allies were the one's who kept buying the bonds China is selling. Now India joined the selling fray, if even EU starts selling, it won't be long before TACO gets ousted by the same MAGA mob.

upwy

nato secretary doing EU land deals now

beatlemaniac007

I don't follow, the US IS helping Ukraine the most. They've so far paid like 150 billion in aid, while all of EU together has paid like 200 billion. I'm not claiming he's making EU build an army out of 'care' for the EU and goodness of his heart. He's doing it cuz he doesn't want to carry them with so much lopsidedness. EU is re-arming because US is telling them "stop relying on us so much, pull your own weight". EU is not surprised regardless of what they tell the media, US has been telling them this for over a decade. Only they are putting the foot down on matter now. So EU has to increase their military spending out of necessity and telling its people "look at evil USA, our hands are tied, we have to allocate more budget to our armies and that might eat into our socialist policies". None of this is false, it's all about the framing.

adisor21

I still stand by my points as I said , No credible source outside the administration , Trump said , White house said, all of these are the administration. Troop movement to Greenland was probably necessary but, keep in mind it was small units. nothing that could prevent a real invasion. It was a gesture of, "we stand with Greenland". Not a credible military deployment to defend the island. And the Greenland PM talk is just a precaution which is fine. So there were no republicans or democrats saying they have plans for invasion or they were briefed on such a plan, no military generals that were preparing for invasion, no movement of equipment. No EU or NATO intelligence on US troops to prepare for invasion. This is what i am talking about, there was no leak or any info on any invasion on Greenland, other than what Trump and white house said and his allies. Remember Russia invasion, we were warned 2 months in advance of massive Russian movement on Ukraine border. I agree to some extend your point at the end. But is not really what i am stating. So no i don't think there was any credible info that he would have invaded, even markets didn't believe, however markets did believe the 10% tariffs and more, that's more likely. One thing i have to says, you are falling into Trump's plan. He wants you to think like that. That he is a mad man, that he can do anything he wants, that you may never know if he would just conquer a country on a whim because he is unhinged. But I think it' all calculated move.

1sailingaway

Sorry but no. I’d love to watch the EU investments in China from the stands. It’d make dark comedy. Can’t wait for the show.

GulNoticer

Crash the US economy and Europe loses American natural gas (having already lost Nordstream) and any real deterrence to further Russian expansion. I'm not saying that the soft handed technocrats of Europe won't do it. I'm however saying that it's suicide for the EU, and quite possibly the opening needed for large swathes of Europe to swing wildly to the right.

MrSquigglyPub3s

EU will do nothing, just get knee pads ready

Single_Offshore_Dad

There was news this morning about trump starting a negotiation framework for Greenland. I believe around 7am or so. Then EU said fuck that. Then trump said something about no tariffs for them. It’s been a wild fucking day.

manniesalado

Every time Trump flip-flops he shows his hand. The EU, and many others, want to start taxing the big Yank tech Oligarchs for a morsel of the loot they take in abroad and then play shell games with the revenue to avoid taxation. Trump, naturally, goes to the mat for his Oligarch pals, always threatening tariffs. But if it becomes obvious Trump does not have the juice to levy those tariffs then I'm sure those digital sales taxes are coming soon.

GladCheetah6048

How is it whataboutism? You set the requirements, I showed you the only historical example that actually fit into them. Trump 2.0 has done more to unravel US hegemony than any president ever. Go and watch Mark Carney's speech from yesterday. EU is talking about using the anti-corrosion instrument. European pension funds have started to sell off treasuries. Starmer will be in China next week.

AgustinCB

I mean... kinda. Whether he TACO'd or not, this didn't go without repercussions: The trade deal with the EU is still paused indefinitely; two trust funds in Europe set a precedent of selling U.S. treasuries; and the political will of a lot of western countries reached a tipping point. I am not saying the stock market will crash tomorrow. Nor that NATO is ending next week. And I definitely agree with you that making any sort of short term claims based on the inner workings of Trump's mind is idiotic. But I also don't think this was inconsequential to the US economy (or the Western economy, for that matter). Impossible to assess the magnitude now, we will see in +2 years. But you can TACO so many times without breaking trust in your market, the main economic advantage that the US market had.

withywander

If he wanted to strengthen the EU, then he would help Ukraine to send the invaders on Europe's doorstep packing. The EU is re-arming because the US is no longer a reliable ally, not because of cajoling.

Similar_Try_5089

If EU capitulates to Trump, they will have made cucks of themselves forever.

Zombieneekers

I mean the EU market (stoxx 600) only dropped like two percent, on an otherwise unpeecedented bullrun. The Nasdaq has been stagnant for four months.

CulturalBoat5779

I wouldn't be surprised if Canada, EU & common liked interest countries will develop their own payment and financial system outside of SWIFT very soon.

gizamo

For a population of 1.4 Billion compared to the US's 340 Million and EU's 450 Million. So, 1.4B to almost 0.79B. China should be making almost double the US/EU. It's still unimpressive even if you add in the total European population (including all non-EU countries, even Russia). That would be 740 million + the US's 340 million for just over 1.08 billion. Imo, if the AI companies think it's so important, they should be building out all their own electrical systems. Until the US has decent social services, e.g. universal healthcare, it shouldn't be subsidizing the thing that will unemploy 90% of the population.

No-Performer5644

Dont ordinary contracts still work in the usa, Are they not enforcable anymore. If US and EU sign a trade deal it can be enforced in US court if Trump breaches contract or not?

watching_whatever

Update: Apparently Denmark, Iceland, NATO and the EU have caved to Trump. “Bases” of Sovereign Greenland will be sold permanently (no lease) to the United States. It’s just the start, ….Trump actually won?!?

SignificanceLate7002

"Over the last year, financial markets have batted away concerns over the impact of the US president's policy announcements, taking comfort in the TACO acronym, Trump Always Chickens Out." Quote from a BBC article today about the EU tariffs.

watching_whatever

Apparently Denmark, Iceland, NATO and the EU have caved to Trump. Bases will be sold permanently to the United States. It’s just the start, Trump actually won?

No_Assistance5652

As 🥭 backtracked on tariffs, does the EU resuming the trade deal?

AdhesivenessDry2236

Since covid the average American has had basically no money. Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck. There's a certain reality that the US political instability is largely due to how bad it really is for the average person and if the EU pulls out then it'll only be more fucked.

DenormalHuman

I think the EU said he can have the resources on Greenland and laughed all the way back home. Have fun getting that out of the ground. The US has already tried working under hte ice and abandoned projects because it's too hard to do when the ice sheet is shifting around at the speed it does.

Mobile-Bar7732

And the whole point behind a country selling of US T-bills is that it will cost Americans more to service the debt. Probably not in this case because it's not that much. If the entire EU sold off all of their US T-bills it certainly would hurt the US. > A mass sell-off of US Treasuries by foreign holders would, all else equal, push Treasury prices down and yields up. That would tend to: Increase US government interest costs, especially on new issuance. tighten US financial conditions, meaning higher rates across the mortgage and corporate debt markets

SarcasmGPT

He wanted Greenland. He doesn't have Greenland. He didn't get any land, he already had bases, he already had access to minerals and there is no golden dome. EU sent about 20 guys. Literally. So he got nothing. It's always projection with you people , you're the ignorant one because you don't even know what your already have and you're claiming he got it. He got... Literally nothing. You'll just move onto some other nonsense because that's all you know to do. Like trump himself, you'll waffle nonsense, call it a win and pat yourself on the back not realising you've lost.

JohnsonSmithKlineBS

But it was all bullshit from the start. I mean the timeline for today was fuck Denmark at 830 am they’re getting tariffs then he speaks at Davos and says no military usage and but you’d better give it to us. Then EU says we’re suspending trade deal and an hour after that Trumpie Pooh says we’ve got a deal. Like when did he work that out, over a hamburger on his lunch hour? He knew going into this thing that he was going to rug pull anyone being 🌈 🐻 and make a few million when he juiced the market.

GeneralRaspberry8102

Because they haven’t dumped anything yet, and it not the EU it’s a few European countries and those countries don’t have enough bonds to dump to make a difference.

Express-Shopping260

No shit!! USA economy is totally dependent on EU trade or else they will make China richer. They have literally no choice. Never underestimate the power of Europe and the EU

jezebel_jessi

Taco man chickened out of EU tariffs. 

upwy

there's literally no deal. who even agreed to anything? did he get a majority vote in the EU for his deal or with denmark? fake threats followed by fake deals.

splashbodge

So what now? Didn't EU already vote. Are they going to reverse it and proceed with it again. Dangerous move, he's shown his hand,

Heineken_500ml

Why is the 10 year yield down when EU is supposedly dumping US bonds? That makes no sense

CoolerRon

Here I am on my 2nd day of pondering buying a house in Sweden… I don’t have $8.8 billion but I want to give them some of my money. I’d do it now if it were a step in EU citizenship lol

OpenGuard1993

It works until it doesn’t. I think the EU is tired of the drama with TACO. Shall see if they finalize the trade deal or if the EU will TACO with Trump

kaapooj

>The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive diplomatic matter, and they said the idea was one Mr. Rutte had been pursuing. Two of the officials, who attended the meeting, compared it to the United Kingdom’s bases in Cyprus, which are regarded as British territory. If that gets accepted, it is very bullish for US stocks (will fullu re-enter lol) EU and Denmark would have signed away their sovereignty

Flat-Quality7156

EU did not reinstate the deal. They suspended it. Get your facts right. [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gwp2me3gzo](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gwp2me3gzo)

5280lotus

They are going to get the Oligarchs. Not us. It’s the same strategy they use against the other side when they start being stupid. The EU people are not tyrants. We don’t deserve more punishment. They actually would rather see us have their level of healthcare and free education. That’s the leaders position anyway. They are very globalist and know the US is a baby country. They aren’t going to smack us down further. Sanctions and economic boycott of all the billionaires who want to Mine Greenland? Tax incoming.

Admirable-Delay-9729

I did this last year- still got a good chunk in US stocks but increased my UK and EU holdings significantly and I definitely feel better about it with all the nonsense going on

FlashyBattle976

You're implying the EU arbitrarily detain US citizens as political leverage? Something something glass houses.

luckydales

EU should still be squeezing the treasury. Going short on the dollar.

hjablowme919

The EU is going to give him part of Greenland.

artbystorms

The EU is not going to just come crawling back to the US. If you lie, gaslight, and bully someone long enough, eventually they are going to cut you out of their life.

No-Candidate6257

The NATO chief Mark Rutte is literally promoting the obvious lie that Russia and China are threatening Greenland and saying that we need to give Greenland to the Americans. Europeans will gladly give up Greenland and keep licking the American boot, telling their own people that American aggression is good and we need to give the Americans everything they want - while sanctioning Russia for taking over Ukraine (not even part of the EU) and sanctioning China for... literally doing nothing threatening whatsoever. There's not a single European politician who will stand up against the US. They are all in the pockets of the Americans. They are all traitors. Every single leader in power in the EU today is a corrupt traitor serving the US and Israel more than their own people.

No-Candidate6257

The NATO chief Mark Rutte is literally promoting the obvious lie that Russia and China are threatening Greenland and saying that we need to give Greenland to the Americans. Europeans will gladly give up Greenland and keep licking the American boot, telling their own people that American aggression is good and we need to give the Americans everything they want - while sanctioning Russia for taking over Ukraine (not even part of the EU) and sanctioning China for... literally doing nothing threatening whatsoever.

No-Candidate6257

>Doubtful. I think he has actually angered Europe now in a way the US has never done before. Nah, the EU is run by US-controlled puppets. The NATO chief Mark Rutte is literally promoting the obvious lie that Russia and China are threatening Greenland and saying that we need to give Greenland to the Americans. lol

Crunchygranolabro

I mean why make it complicated? VOO, VTI, any other broad market fund…Sure there’s probably particular sectors/companies that feel an EU trade war more than a china trade war, but his threats affect the whole market.

TheDickDog

You think London would have been any better had we stayed in the EU? All of our govts are as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Happy-Champion1661

>genuinely I am not getting this >EU dumped 3days in a row, we dumped yesterday, and everyone called it bullshit dump anyway >today king regard does his speach, nothing burger and we pump to the moon >HUH? I am very confused right now well now I know why. I mean we dumped all the way back to opening range first, but this was the reason for the open spike. Insiders knew, once again. And we are not part of his group chat :(

N7Poprdog

Would all the EU different army’s work together seamlessly?

UltiGamer34

The EU gave him a reality check or insider trading 

NinjaChore

Those EU pension funds paper handed so hard yesterday 😂🤣

wytrych00

You don’t have to tell me, I love the EU. But a lot of people in Poland think it is run but the Germans and only works for German interests and everyone is talking advantage of us.

BritishAnimator

I am no expect but will give my opinion. As a civilian not a lot has changed from my own perspective, nothing that was promoted by B.Johnson/Farage that affects my day to day post Brexit. I don't hear of new trade deals everywhere. Not actually seen anything different in the supermarkets compared to when we were in the EU. Spanish onions, imported tomatoes with no flavour, bananas with no flavour still. So no change there haha. If you are a business owner that exported products then absolutely. Some friends have taken a huge cut in their profits due to export duties. Now we have to get papers to travel across Europe but that's hardly a challenge once or twice a year. If illegal immigration was your reasons then that has actually increased after Brexit. So in my opinion, the day to day life is pretty much the same it was, except for inflation which to my knowledge increased everywhere else too. From the flip side, I suppose not having to bow down to the ECJ is beneficial from a soverign point of view, although deportations are even harder now. Forging our own AI policy is also important at this moment in time, as was our speed at vaciniation compared to the EU which tied itself in knots. There is the increased fishing quotas' off our shores that would please some. Anyway, none of that means jack shit if the world starts burning. As a nuclear power and advanced arms manufacturer, it would be best joining forces with our allies on more things than just millitary strength. We don't support our farmers enough for one.

Able_Durian_1832

Well, I was on conference call to discuss about the framework. Everyone gave their opinions but no one joined from EU, the talks were inconclusive. We decided to reschedule the meeting

splitcroof92

The only way it'd be worth anything is if we would receive collateral for it. so like a couple trillion worth of gold being stored in Switzerland and if the promise is broken Switzerland gives it to the EU.

HanYoloKesselPun

At some point you have to accept when your country does dumb as fuck things. We idiots in the UK voted to leave the EU despite it being catastrophic for our economy and future prospects. We shot ourselves in the foot and so good luck to the EU when they bend us over when we ask to rejoin.

GOOGAMZNGPT4

It's going to prove to be an idiotic move by them in the long term. US Treasury Bonds are desired because they are the most secure investment on planet earth, and will remain so for the foreseeable future minus a global catastrophe, nuclear war, or alien interference. Those things don't even guarantee the downfall of US bonds, merely it represents a potential opportunity to shake the box enough for something else to land on top. USA has the economic edge, regulatory edge, science and technology and innovation edge, AI edge, soon-to-be nuclear power edge, military edge, space edge..... while Europe is inventing plastic bottle lids that won't detach from the safety ring. It doesn't matter who the US president is or what their policy is, which is transitory on 2 or 4 year timescales. Europe is going to get pinched and find itself in deep shit. It's spoiling its own relationship with the US, overcommitting to green energy and Ukraine, and is economically self-stifling, and is bursting apart at the seams from NATO to the EU facing non-alignment when the shit gets tough. We're looking at a multi-polar world where China rules Asia, Russia will be the dominant military force in Europe, and US will expand its interests in its own hemisphere. These 3 world powers aren't going to be wholly at war nor isolationists, rather they will strategically enhance trade with each other for natural resources - and Europe will culturally decay from within while having no labor volume, no skill, and no resources to bring to the table. The moment Russia and China, or god forbid, Russia and USA relations warm and normalize - then the balance of power and quality of life will shift rapidly for West Europe who will find themselves irrelevant on the global scene. Defenseless, skill-less, resourceless. The Europe that exists today only exists by exploiting the US trade market, exploiting NATO funding, exploiting post-WW2 rebuilding, basking in the collapse of the Soviet Union. This 80 year post-WW2 new world order liberal stasis bubble is quickly collapsing and Europe is going to be left without a chair. Decoupling from the US economy and antagonizing your boss is such an on-brand self-inflicting wound for Europeans to overcommit to.

kaapooj

European so spineless that they will try to spin this debacle as a EU win and US loss.

Chogo82

The only time it happened was 1950-60’s and that was one of the catalysts for the Cold War. You’re basically supporting my point that this is a terrible development for western countries especially since China is all wolf warrior gunho about their century of humiliation by the West. If you think Europe is insulated from this, think again. US is the shield of the West. The moment the shelf comes down, EU will be slim pickings.

HanginOn9114

He had a great meeting with the EU but the moment he gets back home Miller will tell him to put the tariffs back and he'll do it

CrackerJackJack

was this before or after the EU suspended approval of US trade deal today?

cloud_cafe

EU market gonna digest the no tarrifs tomorrow and moon. I'm all loaded and pumped 🤑 No amerifatties to ruin the fun either

Shrimp_Richards

I think at this point the EU is just saying whatever will shut him up. I feel like they've been working to cut the US out of all trade since his first term and just need a little more time for their projects to be done before they cut ties.

kaapooj

looking forward on seeing the EU choosing the most humilating way out of the situation

NHHS4life

Taco because as soon as it was clear EU countries were going to offload treasuries and undo the trade deal he softened the language bigtime

MeccIt

The EU has already been through a version of this with Brexit, where the UK's stance would change day by day due to internal politicking. They just kelp to their story until a legal treaty was signed (with penalty clauses).

aedes

What sort of weird alternate reality do you live in? Trump explicitly stated he wouldn’t rule out military involvement to takeover Greenland.  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breaking-trumps-argument-acquiring-greenland/story?id=129349786 He also threatened to apply tariffs (economic sanctions) to other countries until the US took over Greenland.  The leader of Greenland explicitly and publicly warned the country to prepare for a US invasion. And the EU started mobilizing defensive military forces to Greenland. 

Forsaken_Counter_887

The Americans won't even realise how much damage they've done until much later, because the EU are going to keep acting like we still want to be friends and giving tiny concessions to make them happy. All while racing to restart investment in our militaries. They genuinely don't seem to understand we're just stalling for time now.

ronoudgenoeg

100%. I'm from The Netherlands and our political system is all about how we can derisk from the US as fast as possible, moving away from US cloud platforms by building EU altneratives, focusing on EU only defense logistics, etc. Trump is single-handedly throwing away US world domination with his "America first" politics. I don't understand how the US political system seemingly does not understand that NATO and other US allies is what gives the US so much leverage. Yes, the US has the strongest military and economy in the world, even without allies, but with those allies it gets to project that massive power all over the world. Without the allies, the US loses a lot of its power, and Trump is very rapidly forcing its current allies to rethink any US interactions.

Creepy-Deer-1973

What is the EU waiting for to kick Rutte (Trump's lover) out of NATO?

FutureHumor5167

It's not about happiness but us is Europe crutches. Why would china tolerate a weak EU and not try what Russia is doing. us is a huge market leverages on talent and us as a institution always wins at expense of it's people. Orange is a prime example.

Odd_Equipment2867

Not much will be reversed. A show of it but EU and Canada going to work harder and faster to move away from US. Too unstable

Agile_Effect4164

This idiot caused chaos because he woke up in the middle of the night feeling frustrated for not having been awarded the Nobel prize. He caused the markets to sell off. Proceeded to go to Davos where he chickened out. Lost the EU deal, and added to the loss of trust from other countries and all our NATO allies. Can he be removed already?

Autistic-Bot

Cancelled the EU tariffs….what a little PUSSY

Easy_Ad_9449

Here we are, stage 2 of the Greenland minerals rush where US and EU will share its resources. Trump is just a useful hatred magnet while those who pull the strings sign the deal.

abrandis

All things easily reversed, expect to see news stories about EU changes in the coming week.

tetsukei

Canadians are also preparing for war. Whether it's to defend Europe, or our own land. We'll be there for you, and we really do hope EU will be there for us. USA is isolating itself in real time. It's all absolutely insane. What a terrible timeline.

ddrsdght

What if mango and EU are secretly collaborating behind the scenes while making it seem like they are enemies

JustHere_4TheMemes

Oh, he is manipulating EU markets now... fun. Got bored with the NASDAQ and DOW I guess.

Robodr0ne

EU will do everything to get rid of US IT vendors.

CriticalSausageRole

Total EU economic nuke victory 🇪🇺