EU

Consistent-Duck8062

1. Poland is like 2% of european GDP, despite all their growth. The heavy hitters (france&germany) count for 60% of it, and they are ruled by fools. Look at their growth, for amusement. Poland is partly doing as well as it does because of germany's self-sabotage, btw. Greatest beneficiary of german deindustrialization, although just by being in proximity. 2. "the european market will desperately invest in itself and strengthen" This is the second lie. As an europoor, listen to me - current EU leadership absolutely hates it's own economy, it's citizens and general idea of growth. You really think these people can pull of Poland on european level? I wish EU would do better for itself, I really do. But EU leaders are actively opposed to it, and I don't know what will shake them enough to wake up. Maybe Trump will.

Bluesquare9

It’s probably the possible cancellation of a trade deal by the EU and just general concern

Impossible-Fun2027

Fuck EU, I never liked the pompous racist europoors

Apprehensive_Law7629

EU just voted for stopping the trade deals they signed in July since Trump took just 6 months to not respect it anymore 🥲. Then you’re right, deals with Trump are worth 0. Just like his credibility, 0.

tjinga2u

Saw a big headline about EU trade deal halted

SarcasticTrumpet

Everyone is really overestimating this stomping around by the EU, Canada, etc., "Oh no the trade deal is off"...and? Real ramifications of that...oh yeah barely any...remember when there were regards trying to tell you the world was over and the ports would be empty with the tariffs almost a year ago? Buy, we are not in any real trouble until our B-52s dissappear into thin air and this is a fire sale just like every other time you have soothsayers saying it's the end

Late-Tadpole-2318

MSFT pricing in the EU finding an alternative

Fine-Drummer2604

EU looking to move away from U.S. social media. But Euros love Reddit. So this one might be a buy. Also Reddit is not a 🥭 donor

RamCockUpMyAss

It's always been copium that EU can be self sufficient, they absolutely can't right now. It will take decades for them to build up the necessary infrastructure and they'd have to roll back significant regulatory hurdles that they created for themselves.

ZombieDracula

Y'all think this is bad, wait till the EU announces the Trade Bazooka

Much-Creme1362

But they were okay with him saying that and then surprised that EU didn't like it?!?!

ZombieDracula

I guarantee you they didn't think Trump would actually threaten the EU in the EU about taking over Greenland.  "Nobody could be that stupid" they thought, wrongly.

Much-Creme1362

Based on timing I'm pretty sure we're going down based on EU pulling out of trade negotiations, but I'm surprised the market is surprised by this -- what the fuck did people think was going to happen?

InvestigatorPlus3229

EU needs to go China style on this, cut off all the cognac and ferraris.

GothamsTrader

Changing US bonds to international bonds makes little sense. What countries that have major bobd markets are in a better shape? Japan? EU countries? If US bonds worry you, switch them to a different asset class.

Crazy_Reporter_7516

If EU canceled US Trade Deal why market not tank 10%

Ok_Battle5814

It makes absolutely no sense why the market is up right now. Military action “may” be out but who the fucks knows with this guy. He will still attempt to put a financial chokehold on the EU over Greenland and the EU will dump US securities in return which will cause the market to implode. In fact, the process has already started. Denmark, China, Japan and India are already unloading US bonds causing gold to soar. Other countries will soon follow suit. Trump is making America uninvestable

Old-Pomegranate3634

EU suspends trade discussions with the USA

AdDismal9686

American here - I moved all of my money into EU ETF’s and VTPSX (Vanguard Total International) after the 2024 election. I’ve outperformed the domestic stock fund equivalents and the S&P.

drew-gen-x

It's gonna be kinda hard for the EU nations to continue their strongman stance against Trump with Natural Gas soaring +20% today. Has Europe learned anything since the Russia/Ukraine war started? The EU is completely vulnerable due to their lack of energy independence.

The_BakedCrusader

The reason for the pump was him saying they wouldn't take Greenland by force, as flimsy as that promise is. It dumped over the EU cancelling it's trade deal. This isn't very hard to figure out.

ripvanmarlow

Unbelievable disrespect from the Americans. This sort of behaviour is going to come back and bite them in the ass. Not a fucking single ounce of statesmanship amongst them. Imagine thinking it's ok to slag off your closest allies like that. Insulting Denmark is insulting the EU and the UK too by the way. I can't wait for the day these pricks are "irrelevant" too.

Apprehensive_Law7629

Nope but EU voted for stopping the trading deal on they signed in July since Trump didn’t respected it

GewDoge

Trump gave speech, EU trade deal off because of speech

dww0311

Those are existing Treasuries, which the US has to continually roll over. These actions help to fk the *current* market, which makes those rollovers more expensive. They’re also not buying in subsequent auctions for the foreseeable future, which just drives yields up even further. I see this as a shot across the bow from - by far - the largest buyer and holder of Treasury debt. A warning shot, if you will. God help you if EU central banks start dumping and stop buying.

AEStation404

About 20% US, about 8% Romania (down from 100% a decade ago, home bias was strong because I didn't know better), about 3-4% Mexico and the rest is super-fragmented. But if we consider the EU as one country, then it's probably 15%, haven't done the math on that. The concern there is high WHT and poor treaty relief. At this point I'd rather just invest in Singapore or even some African countries than pay 35% dividend WHT. EU really needs to fix this, they're not respecting their treaties. My ideal portfolio would be even more ridiculously diversified. I'm probably not going to stop expanding until I own a piece of every stock exchange including some odd ones like Malawi.

Liability049-6319

The EU just said fuck your calls

Fine-Drummer2604

The EU just came out they’re freezing trade deals with the U.S. still

New_Accountant2449

Talk is cheap. EU should divest and not purchase or use American innovations because the benefit from patents on things like touch screens, encryption schemes and media like netflix and defense weaponry. Don't go to see USA movies or watch their streams. No Google or Apple or batteries from the giga factories.

12uler

EU canceling trade deal over Greenland

mymar101

But The EU Denmark and Greenland have all said no.

New_Accountant2449

What would the EU fight back with and why would they?

radljostxx

Idk why anyone actually thought EU wouldn’t cancel the trade deal.. but the timing.. during the speech.. beautiful

CapitalMarionberry22

Ah yes, because EU lawmakers can totally coordinate private companies and independent investors into collectively dumping U.S. Treasuries.

sailortyx56

EU suspended the trade deal with us

AEStation404

I think it's unlikely China will confiscate shares unless you're a public figure and you criticize them loudly enough. Then you might make it to their version of the SDN and get blacklisted from traveling or investing in China. What's more likely to happen: US and EU sanction certain companies or sanction China entirely if China does something drastic like attack Taiwan or Japan or whatever.

SangerGRBY

EU will not yield or accede to Greenland Annexation.

themoosh

It's kind of a lose lose. Ultimately the biggest beneficiary of damaging US-EU relations and NATO is Russia, and they happen to also be a big force behind the rise of far right parties in the last decade.

atdharris

The EU is probably going to go after software service, which is going to really be great for my Amazon, Microsoft and Meta shares!

Iamnotarobot82

I propose conflict resolution: Let 🥭 pick one of the EU/Canada leaders and have hand-to-hand combat. He wins, he gets Greenland. He loses, he dances naked to Oops I Did It Again at WEF.

richkong35

Market is dropping in anticipation of 🥭 retaliation after EU freeze trade deal

Otterpoopie

Nobody cares EU countries will still find loopholes Look at eu countries still buying Russian gas lmfao

InjuryEmbarrassed532

U wouldn’t rule out the EU bending over.

Spiderman55

“EU suspends trade deal” - fuck it 1% pump Algos reread headline again - eh actually we changed our mind

lalich

Where would EU get their weapons…. Oh shit, an interesting strategy though! 🤙

Low_Celebration_6933

"It's going to be a good year, stability!" After speech EU suspends trade agreement.

EmbarrassedWonder476

Should probably seize the the factory and gift it to Volkswagen. Europe needs to think about themselves, obviously. Also the CEO of Tesla is constantly threatening EU democracies by supporting garbage parties like AfD.

PatrickSebast

EU = EWW Trade is now less gross.

EmbarrassedWonder476

Total EU ban on Tesla imports please. Also block X unless they take action against bots (which they wont do).

Happy-Champion1661

then why EU is still bleeding? seems to me like market is just being retarded as usual

Sleepergiant2586

##True, OP is mostly some teenager. Started buying nVidia, AMD back in 2015 and 26 now raking milions. Saw same drama so many times. If one is dealing with stocks with 'emotions' then they should not be in the market. There is no gurantee that EU or Germany will have a sane leader down the line. This is nothing new, seen this in 2016 era as well. Anyways its OP's decision.

jrex035

>As far as the market is concerned the Greenland saga is now over. Which is incredibly shortsighted for the market considering the renewed trade war with the EU that kicks off in February

ThirdHuman

To make this more concrete, China doesn’t have rule of law - it has rule by the party. And the stuff that is controversial in the US, EU, or JPN occur on a daily basis in China.

SpicyLemonZest

There was nothing to negotiate about for the original trade deal either, but the EU successfully negotiated a “deal” where they “conceded” that the EU private sector would make US investments they were already making. If Trump isn’t making violent threats anymore, smart money has to be on something similar happening here.

Dangerous-Bet-4303

Well EU cancelled the trade deal, so why would it be anything different

Muted-Organization88

and the US market is up 1% today lol. i dont like the usa but their economy is more consistent than all of EU

Thee420Blaziken

It's Gen X that are close to retirement, boomers are mostly retired at this point. Baby boomer birth range is 1946 - 1964, so 62 - 80 years old. But they'll still get fucked because their retirement savings will be devalued a lot. EU and other big entities dumping US treasury holdings probably the one thing at this point that'll create change in the US, this administration won't feel real pressure until the economy starts tanking (again). Fucking sucks as a young millennial having the 4th "once in a lifetime" economic event happen though.

Happy-Champion1661

did you see EU stonk market? They dumped straight for 3 days, they are still red today it's the regard speach that made this rocket, but it was a nothing burger, so what's the real reason of the pump EU didn't recover shit, it's just QQQ and SPY going back up and shit7 are still down compared to last week btw

dan_marchand

At the moment it’s just news cycle nonsense. Yes, someone is buying, but it still changes the risk profile a bit. Look to Japan specifically if you want a real bellwether. A lot of EU owned US treasuries are held privately and probably can’t snowball. Of Japan dumps, however….

soscribbly

Trump and his goons have been making billions from unregulated Crypto; why go as far as burning relations with the EU for a blip in the stock market? Just keep sucking the blood out of BTC and whatever shitcoins he wants to pump and dump

delicious_oppai

Old fart better not flip out with tariff threats for EU suspending trade deal. Just needs to STFU for one day!

jrex035

Is this just algos pumping on "good" news? While its nice to hear Trump isnt planning any military action (or is at least publicly saying so), the US-EU trade deal is postponed and both sides are looking at implementing new tariffs within weeks. Denmark isnt going to sell Greenland so unless Trump fully backs off we're gonna have a full-blown trade war with one of our biggest trade partners next month

Happy-Champion1661

genuinely I am not getting this EU dumped 3days in a row, we dumped yesterday, and everyone called it bullshit dump anyway today king regard does his speach, nothing burger and we pump to the moon HUH? I am very confused right now

Rockatansky77

I will bet that many of your companies do business in the US and EU so be selective if you plan on rebalancing based on our mutual dislike and ignorance of the current Administration in DC.

Ill-Mousse-3817

US froze Russian assets. Did Asian money pour out? The money that should be scared is frozen, the money that doesn't care keeps not caring. \> So this theory is that every country in the world is going to freeze America out of the global systems? Well, I guess they will first try to decouple, which they are already doing, see for example Mercosur and the trade deal with India. If things really go South they will pull the plug. Pension funds are already divesting US treasuries. I think it is very likely that nothing happens, but do you really think that if Trump tries to take Greenland the EU doesn't react just because "America runs the global financial world"?

Walking72

The trade deal with the EU is toast.  So why are we pumping? Is it because the don decided not to nuke Greenland?

toonguy84

EU suspends trade agreement with the USA and the stock market pumps. lmao. I love this whole thing. It's just funny at this point.

Magnet_Pull

Just go to r/biotechnology and r/labrats to witness how we suffer. I feel these Issues are holding back Biotech atm: \- The AI bubble sucked up alot of VC which otherwise may have ended up in Biotech \- Religious zealotism hinders Biotech research in the US (see transgenic mice debate) and ecological zealotism hinders it in Europe (See GMO crops) \- It shows more and more that the promises of several processes could not be held, especiallyin a world which no longer prioriteses environmental protection However there are chances: \- EU is changing it's GMO legislature --> look at the BAYER stock \- Food industry is adapting precise fermentation for meat replacement products \- Health sector has a chance, esp. RNA vaccines etc (again in case the FDA does not go full MAHA-BS) \- Germany needs to transfer large sectors of its chemical industry, industrial biotechnology might be a chance I think investing in peptine industry can be a good idea, yet I have studied it and not even I want to invest the time to do my DD with all those companies business cases (nothing here is financial advice)

WatchandThings

As an American, I do think that world would hurt along with the US if USA broke down. BUT I also think the world would move on with time, and the collapse of the US won't mean collapse of the world automatically. There will be economic impact around the world and there may be power struggles in different regions as power vacuum gets filled by regional powers, and the latter might end up being more dangerous for the rest of the world than the actual collapse of the US itself. Will it be a good thing for the world in the long run? I think it depends on how you measure what is good, but how people's lives gets impacted will depend on where the person lives. Regional powers will gain more freedom to shape their surroundings to benefit them more, and the nations that's under those regional powers may or may not struggle depending on the regional power in question. Generally, most regional powers that would take control after the fall of the US are authoritarian at the current time, so I'd think the regional powers' lives would improve at their neighboring nations' costs. Think USSR years and how Russia took advantage of Eastern Europe. With that said, I do think the EU would be one of the places that would still float along relatively fine. Russia would be rival regional power and I don't think they can do anything after weakening themselves with years of war, unless they want the nuclear exchange where no one really wins(they might). Middle East(pretty much everyone there), Africa(funded by external powers), Central(India region, though more as response to China's actions) and Far East(China region) Asia might get crazy as regional powers start expanding their influence. Australia region should be fine violence wise(unless Asian war extends that far out), though supply side might struggle with the world getting a bit crazy. Latin America might get crazy, though it'll be more like internal struggle than regional power thing, but not sure about that. Canada will be fine as long as the US collapse doesn't impact them, but I'd imagine fleeing Americans from their collapsing nations would have an impact. Hopefully it'll be more of a 'fall of Constantinople and start of renaissance' situation rather than just refugee crisis. But that's just me thinking out loud. Though, I don't think people will bother to read this wall of text. XD

Independent-Board622

Fake pump. EU suspending trade deal with US.

Western-Bear-3568

US-EU trade deal halted

caliwillbemine

Trump: “We won’t use force but we’ll tariff the shit out of you and try to cripple your entire society unless you give us Greenland” EU: “thank you for being so magnanimous Mr. President we love you and you’re a brilliant negotiator” Market pump taco trade 101

j_ha17

He loves to bluff, test the public response and make a spectacle of everything. The backlash from Greenland and Europeans as well as the very public response from EU countries looking for less chaotic trade partners clearly sent a message that he went too far with this rhetoric.

Ill-Mousse-3817

For sure, but this is not everything that matters. A company needs to make long term plans to stay in business, it needs rule of law, predictable inflation and interest rates, consistent behavior from the government... These things are starting to lack in the US, and it looks like the market thinks that US equities no longer deserve 50% higher valuations. US may still be in absolute, but EU equities had (and still have) much lower multiples.

Apprehensive_Law7629

With the only difference that I sold US treasury and bought EU bonds 🤔. It was not about money, it was about respect.

12301923

BREAKING: The EU has officially suspended their trade deal with the US amid Greenland tariff tensions.

germany1italy0

The guy is beyond repair and redemption. He’s gone, and possibly the US as well. There’s only one way markets are going today and tomorrow. Given the EU just also announced the trade deal is off the table. Best bet is to invest in the military industrial complex on both sides of the pond.

booose6

We still holding calls even after the EU/US trsde deal news?😅😅😅

Novel_Expression1454

There are many countries that heavily rely on tourism $s in the EU, namely Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal. It also sounds like USA will not invade Greenland but purchase it from the Europoors rather.

Tree_Trunks-00-

Well, his trip caused European Parliament to put the U.S.-EU trade deal “on ice”. So I expect volatility of not today, in the next few weeks or months.

MuricanWisecrack

just to be clear about this, US-Citizen: If USA decides to invade Greeland, you guys rather make your European Trip now, because after that you will not be allowed to set a foot onto European ground for many years to come. Say Bye-Bye to Vacation in Ibiza and things like that. Just like the russian tourists, who are like "mimimi why no being nice to us anymore? we are not to blame for the war!" americans will exactly be dealt the very same way. And i very much hope EU sells its Dollardebt and YES FINALLY a TAX ON GOOGLE, APPLE, META!! ... to quote someones retarded Dad here "i dont mind if we lose all our money as long as we get greenland" --- Be careful what you wish for - it might get true.

sogladatwork

That’s silliness and defeatism all rolled together. You just learned the EU economy is bigger than China’s and you’re ignoring it. You’re also ignoring China’s own economic problems and *much worse* demographic problems. On top of that, you’re ignoring America’s rapid decline into debt-ridden has been on the world stage. At this point, Europe would have to be as stupid as some Reddit users to tie their future to either of those soon to be once-great powers.

ImaginaryHospital306

Whatever you think of this Greenland situation, Bessent is right. China won't dump their treasuries because it would bid up the Yuan and make their exports more expensive. Europe won't dump their treasuries because it would tank their pension funds. And where would they put the proceeds? German bunds and other EU government bonds are lower yielding than treasuries and they can't absorb trillions of dollars without yields going even lower.

MuricanWisecrack

just to be clear about this, US-Citizen: If USA decides to invade Greeland, you guys rather make your European Trip now, because after that you will not be allowed to set a foot onto European ground for many years to come. Say Bye-Bye to Vacation in Ibiza and things like that. Just like the russian tourists, who are like "mimimi why no being nice to us anymore? we are not to blame for the war!" americans will exactly be dealt the very same way. And i very much hope EU sells its Dollardebt and YES FINALLY a TAX ON GOOGLE, APPLE, META!! ... to quote someones retarded Dad here "i dont mind if we lose all our money as long as we get greenland" --- Be careful what you wish for - it might get true.

RockinMadRiot

He wanted UK from EU as well. Yet, UK picked EU.

Accomplished_Way8964

He said the U.S. won't take Greenland by force. That does not mean he won't claim that economic sanctions/reciprocal tariffs from the EU are 'acts of aggression' towards the U.S. and threaten retaliation. "I didn't want to fight, but he started it!"

BowlEducational6722

I still think Trump either wouldn''t care or would genuinely think that even after shooting European troops that the EU would just roll over and accept it. Like, have you heard Miller, Bessent, Vance and Hegseth talk? They have nothing but contempt, even outright malice for Europe. They genuinely believe that America would be stronger alone. And they're the ones constantly whispering in Trump's ear.

PomegranateJuicer6

Volume is not total bonds held though, how much B in us bonds is the EU holding, and what is the impact for merica if they start dumping?

ShittyUsernane1222

it smells like bull trap in here. I guess EU pension funds are gathering exit liquidity lmao

kaapooj

EU will sanction big tech to death

kaapooj

look forward for EU wide social media ban for teens as a first step

ShittyUsernane1222

" \[...\] Fuck you libtards we are invading the EU and Greenland \[...\] Pamp NVDA" -🥭's speech in simplified English

SweatyAd8914

I sympathize with your choice as I’d be pissed if China was doing the same to my country, but here’s the thing, the US is still the safest bet for innovation and investment. China is competing to get to the same level, and the EU is many years out. It’d be unwise to fully divest from the US for your sake. The US goes through political cycles. The US is also in a death spiral with China now over AI, quantum, and robotics. The rest of the world is fundamentally non-players in these spaces. China while appearing stable, internally is propped up by accounting gimmicks and corporate espionage. The US may have hurt European feelings, but if we’re talking strictly investments, the Greenland debacle, Venezuela, and Canada are all attempts to hedge against a world dominated by Chinese technology.

BleuBrink

But EU is about to call off trade deal. I don't think market was actually expecting a military invasion.

swallowsnest87

I guess we will see, but the EU didn’t do anything when they got hit with 15% tariffs across the board, higher on some places.

lemonylol

Since we're moving onto a different topic, I made a comment above that I'll rewrite here that is relevant to this new topic: >Most US treasuries held in Europe are through private institutions though. The public funds dumping them is sort of phase one, but the EU governments ultimately can't control the private sector's decision on whether to dump their bonds as well.

ShittyUsernane1222

🥭 could do something extremely funny by declaring war on Greenland and EU in the WEF conference and then TACOing the moment the us bonds get dumped and the dollar is peso-equivelant.

Needin63

I'd love to see the EU or any country pressure him. So far they haven't managed to do anything but kowtow to him which just puzzles me.

BernardoDeGalvez

I live in Europe and it is impossible for us to overcome the US. Not even all together. Too many regulations. Look at the companies, besides ASML and NVO, which companies are groundbraking?? My country saw the highest growth of Europe in their stock markets. Besides 1 GREAT company, all of the index is full of utilities, banks and old state monopolies that are run by fools. And even if they wanted to grow, they can't. And if you want to creat a Palantir, Oracle, SpaceX, Alphabet... company. You can't. They kill you even before you make your first buck with al the paperwork. The EU markets were undervalued because they were overlooked, but it is IMPOSSIBLE for us Europeans to beat the US stock market. Never ever. Not happening.

SadList2353

Market's reacting like Greenland issue has gone away. LOL. EU has just paused implementation of the previous trade deal.