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Frozen_Shades

After more EU tariffs comes more Canada or is more Penguin tariffs. It's tough to follow.

Consistent_Dingo_530

Trump speech is about new tariffs to EU, we need another tariff dump and taco trade back

RNKKNR

EU is excellent at destroying it's own economy. No sense stopping it now.

pmotiveforce

Nobody is afraid of Russia anymore. Paper tiger can't even convincingly roll over a former vassal state. All this "oh EU scared of Russia" nonsense is someone's agenda.

No_Barracuda5672

And consumption is soft while supply has gone up. I did look at the data.  “Oil market sentiment in August and September 2025 was driven by OPEC+ continuing to increase production, US tariffs doubling on Indian imports of Russian crude, the EU and UK lowering the Russian oil price cap, and mixed global inventory data. Sanctions and tariff uncertainty, plus an overall market oversupply and a weaker demand, are resulting in a bearish market sentiment, as reflected by weaker Brent prices over the last few months.” Source: https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/oil-and-gas/our-insights/oil-and-gas-blog/snapshot-of-global-oil-supply-and-demand

NotMe357

Kind of fun when in EU TSLA sale is down like -50% and now suddenly people care about California lol

BusinessMud7331

Is iphone 17 demand gonna outweigh the EU issues?

Personal_Yam1228

His **major** political/public persuasion goals for the United States ARE complete for the most part. He just needed to get himself one of the most powerful information dissemination systems (twitter), get a corrupt puppet (Trump) in power, violate all the govt public service depts by grabbing em by the pu$$y till he loses interest, demolish any real regulatory policing that might come at his ass, and…stay deep inside plutocratic circle. That’s really it. That’s all he cares about in the USA. That’s why he spends most of his day tweeting about the EU now, cause he hasn’t managed to topple them yet.

Pretty_Ad_7885

First of all well played but how you never saw a reason. When their sales dropped by 80% in EU, when FSD has been delayed and behind competition, when they delay cybertruck and the sales of it went to shit soon after releasing, when they had basically 0 profit on earnings this year if you reduce the carbon tax they got, when they have declining sales constantly, when BYD sold more cars than them. What would make you sell it? Are you only looking at the price?

Wrote_it2

I think it's around 400k and a million in the EU for just taxis. . I am not sure how far you get by adding Uber and Lyft to the party. I expect the TAM to grow though, in particular if the prices drop by a third like in my estimate.

kaapooj

US threatens to retaliate against EU companies over digital tax --bloomberg

pmotiveforce

It's disgusting. Part of the problem is most countries and politicians still playing by the old rules, when we had rules. They need to go after him, personally, at a nation state level. Britain, EU can do him a lot of damage if they stop trying to be civil.

stoked_7

The EU called and said nope. Europe rolls back EV mandates, ditching the 2035 ban on ICE engines.

Gregangel

Long Term investor. At least 10+ years horizon. Work in progres, all ligns (except ETF 20% of the portfolio at the end of allocation period) will get the same starting allocation (continuing in 2026 window) |**ASML**|9,51%| |:-|:-| |**Small cap EU**|8,37%| |**Duolingo**|7,85%| |**ETF S&P500**|7,51%| |**Novo Nordisk**|7,34%| |**The Trade Desk**|6,68%| |[**Monday.com**](http://Monday.com)|6,23%| |**Vertex Pharma**|4,94%| |**Rocket Lab**|4,51%| |**ON Holding**|4,08%| |**Nvidia**|2,91%| |**Amazon**|2,91%| |**Sportradar**|2,81%| |**Lemonade**|2,79%| |**Alnylam Pharma**|2,79%| |**Lyft**|2,71%| |**SoundHoud**|2,70%| |**AMD**|2,58%| |**Toast**|2,23%| |**Shark Ninja**|2,11%| |**ETF USA x2**|1,98%| |**TransMedics**|1,76%| |**Paypal**|1,68%| |**Grab**|1,02%|

Ok_Cress_56

It's not what happened at all. It was the EU that rejected the deal.

Ok_Cress_56

Um, the EU rejected the merger. Sorry to burst your bubble there.

iannoyyou101

EU saving America's ass again

Wowmuchrya

Shit another chance to open NQ futures shorts? Thanks EU mm’s!

iannoyyou101

EU stepping in to buy

piszczel

EU expenditure is a known though. Margins won't magically improve and you can't build new fabs in a day that will handle the increased demand. Rhenmetall has PE of like 70 doesn't it? They can't just drastically grow, that's now how it works. It's all priced in and short term top is in for those stocks.

Decimerusi

These fucking EU defence sector stocks. Lots of media BS about peace in Ukraine being 'closer than ever' and they drop 10% or more. Meanwhile, Russia hasnt said anything. In fact, they rejected every proposal. Pretty crucial for the other warring party to agree to a 'closer than ever' peace deal you reckon?  The market is retarded. The massive EU defence expenditure will continue irrespective of peace in Ukraine too....

slightly_visibleRibs

You do realize current market time in the EU and Asia extend into midnight / early morning right? So just because the US is sleeping everyone else will be active still.

SadWimp

I’m from EU, I will be buying now the dip after hours. A lot stocks are on sale before Christmas 🎄

kaapooj

EU abandoning 2035 combustion engine ban --bloomberg

AstockcollapseNow

The European Commission is expected on Tuesday to[ reverse the EU's effective ban on sales of new combustion-engine cars](https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/eu-yields-pressure-automakers-it-rethinks-2035-combustion-car-ban-2025-12-15/) from 2035, bowing to intense pressure from Germany, Italy and European automakers struggling against Chinese and U.S. rivals. [https://i.imgur.com/AUgLPUh.png](https://i.imgur.com/AUgLPUh.png)

iMakeGOODinvestmemts

EU Deal for tech cancel.... we r fuk

keridito

I know, I am Spanish (although I am not living there). I should have said EU, my apologies. Maybe non-EU members have a very different taxation. EU members have in common that even though taxes are different in every country, taxes are going to be high. In Spain, taxes for stock investment gains would be something between 19-30%, which roughly matches the range OP gave. I guess other EU members will have similar taxation.

rotj

How is bribing Trump going stop the EU from blocking the acquisition again?

MecoResourseful

£TUN will be live soon. I work in the industry and it's crippling us. We need more EU supply not relying on China/Russia

Pretty_Ad_7885

Or maybe is the point that you are a classic american. In EU houses are cheaper than apartmans. I never said US is horrible but there is more than enough bad things for people to choose other places. But you are so blind about the world around you it is funnly. Literally the whole world agrees that you are stupid.

Last_Cauliflower3357

Yea but to be honest Irobot had its lunch eaten by the chinese players like Roborock. I have a Roborock and it’s great. This bankruptcy was just a matter of time since the great minds of the EU blocked the Amazon acquisition.

Freediverjack

Some EU members are more equal than other members

Mariox

I am the mindset of always being bullish. We are in just the start of the AI revolution and it isn't a bubble. Robotaxi, robots, AI data analytics (PLTR), AI made youtube content, movies. AI that makes businesses more efficient, Ai making health care more cheaper..... etc. It is like when the world adopted computers in the 1980's but 100x faster. US and China are quick to adopt AI, but the EU is moving very slow on AI. I am very bullish on my 2 AI plays, PLTR and TSLA for 2026 and beyond.

ShittyUsernane1222

Any Country which trades with the US and is majorly dependent on them (EU, Canada etc. etc.) is in the blast radius of this Crash.

ShittyUsernane1222

Can bols PLEASE stop kicking the can down the road with pumps to delay the inevitable, it's going to hurt them. They accidentally laid the groundwork for the mother of all economic crises (TM): \-AI and Off-shoring induced deflationary factors \-US Consumer Debt(with such classics such as Mortgage debt crisis) and Regional Banking Crisis \-Yen Carry Trade and US-Japan Contagion due to Japanese Debt \-UK Funds divesting from US \-EU funds in talks to divest from US \-Bond yields going to the Moon(TM). \-AVGO and ORCL popping the US AI Bubble(big emphasis on US, there is no AI bubble outside of the US, not even in China) \-🥭 Hoover-like Tariff Policy fucking over US Economy a la 1929 \-etc. and etc. TLDR: Bearish Economic Indicator Printer go brrrrrrrr.

crypto_enjoyer88

Hey. If you guys are from the EU use this code B283F41654 on bitvavo. You will get 50 euros worth of BTC only after registering and doing the kyc process. And i will get a little bonus of it aswell. Dont forget to paste the code B283F41654. You will get asked for the code when registering. Have a good one

nomemory

I am a EU citizen, my country's bonds (Romania) have had a 6.5% on Euro if you keep them for 10 years. I also have had Polish and Hungarian bonds. I also have American treasury bills. This is the foundation. Then I have municipal bonds. Then I pick corporate bonds. The lower the rating, the less I buy of them. So the foundation gives anywhere between 4-6.5% on a good currency (EUR or USD), then risking with other bonds I raise this with a few percentage if the bad bonds don't default (until now I was lucky and it only happened to me once). I had years with 7-8%. Which is fine for half of my portfolio.

babbagoo

The people of Ukraine are in dystopia and Russia wants to split EU up so that more can follow. Assuming you are American, your president is actively working with him.

CyberWiz42

So much nonsense in this post. When was the last time you switched to a different marketplace because of the programming language used to build it? Which marketplace site spends more than 5% of their revenue on cloud services? Completely irrelevant. Network effects and brand is the only thing that matters in this business. Google entry might be a thing, but at least in EU it is dead on arrival because of antitrust. Basically Google gets sued for just waking up in the morning, using their monopolistic advantage in search for a new area would be… very brave.

symsays

“First class” in the US is actually just business to the rest of the world. Real first class in any EU or Asian airline isn’t even comparable. Meaning, not the flex you think it is chum.

ShittyUsernane1222

The war drums nearing mainstream 🥭 preparing an war. US Economy getting ass-fucked. EU Economy getting ass-fucked. ah the end of the roaring '20s hitting a bit close too home.

TopCut237

Agree about the censorship risk. Some US states are already trying to track ID masquerading behind child protection. Uk has run headlong into it like idiots, EU is very likely to join. Australia trying to ban kids from social media altogether. Why does it matter? 15-20% of Meta's ad revenue appears to come from u18s. Studies on AI to maximise ad revenue suggest a possible 15-20% increase... so not pernicious but if the censorship risks were realised it could cancel out a lot of the "easy money" for Meta from AI.

Training-Switch6888

See next Tuesdays announcement by the EU, Europe's car industry is in tatters. I would go long Platinum if I were you.

kaapooj

*EU, some European countries are doing fine

Scheldekakker

EU5 taught me, you can in fact inflate yourself out of debt start printing fellas

Ascorbinium_Romanum

Nothing trustworthy about the country of Russia since it's inception. It literally causes enough damage in Europe to warrant all of its assets to be seized. Wake me up when this happens to a normal country that isn't actively trying to destroy the EU (by its own admission)

FoodCooker62

Some differences in the strategies of the names you listed. High Tide is a retailer and imports other brands flower to Germany. They use their scale to purchase bulk flower and export it to Germany. Many of the others are growers themselves. For what its worth, VFF mentioned in their last quarters earnings call that theyre the largest exporter to Germany, which is by far the largest EU market.  Many of the public companies break down their revenues by segment so you can get a good idea how they're doing at this point. For an idea about the future you can check filings to see how much they are expanding capacity  

Pretty_Ad_7885

what kind of taxes you have in US wtf. I have 10% on capital gain in EU

AnyHat8807

If you buy in EU in Europe, the FX damage with impact your gains.

Salty-Bid1597

I mean there aren't any real EU tech companies (consumer facing anyway) so it's not a surprise. That's kind of the point: US megacap tech is largely a series of monopolies operating with the blessing of the US government who let them pay very little tax because a large proportion of their profit comes from abroad. They are draining untaxed profit from the EU and the fines are a hamfisted way of getting it back.

OPINION_IS_UNPOPULAR

EU collected more fines from American tech companies than taxes paid by EU tech companies Europe is cooked (Hopefully that data isn't a lie and I got trolled)

WilsonKh

Yup, that’s the mindset I have on AI right now. Not a bubble, but definitely overbought because America/China are just so ahead of the curve other countries do not know how to react. Once news comes online about EU/Asean/BRIC AI initiative or whatever, the cycle goes up again

kaapooj

vibes around meta are terrible, new frontier model pushed to spring, extensive public drama around their ai efforts, social media bans popping up in different countries, new hightened focus on AI (over)spending + public questioning of earnings + reported/disputed earnings + intensified questioning of OpenAI's ability to uphold commitments, cooling labour market especially for small business, tiktok us deal looming, EU investigations e.g. around Whatsapp, ...

kaapooj

the threat has no bite the EU has no meaningfull US treasuries, holdings are at -- central banks --insurance companies --banks --mutual funds --households even if EU was able to coordinate a dump US treasuries it would e.g. --nuke EU pensions and savers due to bond price declines and yield increases, due to regulation they would to have to maybe cut benefits, increase contributions or derisk by selling equities --hurt EU financial credibility -> raise borrowing cost also US could freeze EU assets or dollar reservs and it is already a pipe dream from the start ad EU would be unable to coordinate it politcally, French, German or Polish interests are not aligned

Toothlesskinch

The EU threatened to do exactly this this week if the US abandoned Ukraine. It's a quick google away.

-Crash_Override-

Bad take. EU out performing SP500? STOXX 600 is up 13% YTD vs SP500 16%. And thats with ECB cutting rates hard and fast. Given the makeup of EU markets indexes and the current rates I would expect better performance than 13%. As for asia...JP is its own ball of wax. CH was already trading at the bottom of the barrel, any growth looks impressive. Taiwan and SK are literally 100% tech driven. India is the only place with meaningful organic growth. Saying an index beat the sp500 as your metric for success is like saying your car is fast because it can drive 100mph. Its all relative.

forbiddenpistachio

Do you have any recommendations as to how and what to invest in with the EU and Asian markets?

holycarrots

Ok so it turns out your issue has nothing to do with the reason behind the fines, or your investment in stocks, you just have some weird agenda against the EU.

Emergency-Ticket5859

EU indefinitely seized RU cash in Belgium. Pure bandit behaviour

tasselledwobbegong1

Who’s stopping them? And how long will the EU take to do anything about it? In the mean time they’re charging tariffs.

Otherwise_Answer_146

Village Farms. They have their own licenses for Netherlands and an EU-GMP certified faculty in Canada. They also grow for other companies that have international licenses. Curaleaf CEO stated that they buy significant amounts of product from VFF that they then ship internationally.

The_Insider_Edge

agreed only seeing upside! **Herbal Dispatch** * The company aims to **triple export volumes by 2028** and achieve **100% year-over-year export revenue growth**. * Focus markets include **existing countries like Australia, Portugal, Germany, Brazil and Czech Republic**, with plans to enter **new markets such as the UK, Switzerland, Costa Rica and New Zealand**. * Part of the strategy involves **investing in GMP/EU-GMP compliance** and participation in international trade shows  * They have already completed multiple exports * 200+ LPs to source from

DuckTalesOohOoh

Yes. EU is informal. If you think it's formal, you're fooling yourself.

JeffB1517

At a 3-5% they can be growing their portfolio. A cap weighted index of European Stocks has a yield of 2.8%. Fixing your inflation adjusted draw to dividends +1% (that's the minumum it ratches up if dividends overtakes inflation -1%) is a very safe draw. European bond yields aren't much better though. European lifespans are high. That being said relative to bonds European annuities are fairly attractive healthy 65-year-olds potentially seeing rates around 7-8%. So I would tilt heavily towards stock if they can tolerate it. If they can't see if you can sell them on 50% annuities and 25% EU stock, 25% international stock. That hits your 5% draw number with some headroom.

Pizza_n_Tendies

The EU did say if we medel in Europe, they will fuck our debt market.

gizamo

I used to live in the EU while working for an American company, and now I'm doing the opposite. Highly recommend. I enjoy not being circumcised.

BigRealNews

Well then the EU as a whole has been passing right wing legislation by your standards

ThinkingOfTheOldDays

coordinated print, and EU is at serious risk of failing. chance that it becomes more of a reserve asset I guess, but that hurts them long term the same way it hurt us buying the Euro isn't a bad idea for a trade at all

GreenPlasticChair

EU and Asia markets have outperformed S&P500 over the last year without being driven by tech-speculation Can’t use them as a benchmark they’re not carrying the same risks

Leeysa

Bro you just keep on confirming my point, I dont get it. Yes covid was around before march and before the market crashed, that's what I said and you repeated that. All I am saying is that the market crashed when it spread like a wildfire through the EU in March when it left its isolation in Milan. What is your point??

Candid-Criticism-316

Ec1/2003 gives commission investigative powers and ability to fine companies. The eu itself has trade and commercial enforcement powers in its constitution which is a big part of the core identity and purpose of the EU. If you couldn’t figure out why an interstate entity who’s primary constitutional powers and purpose is related to commercial enforcement I don’t really understand how you can claim to have studied political science as anything but a single cursory course that looked at foundational concepts of American government where the separation of powers was described as you described it.

BridgeOnRiver

I have a degree in political science and have worked in Brussels. The EU is complex - but I certainly know it better than most people.

daedalus_dance

>J.P Morgan says EU media AI opportunities underestimated, fear overblown Publicis and Criteo both undervalued due to AI hype. Do it. Branch out Ameripoors.

BridgeOnRiver

Fundamentally, it is wrong that the EU Commission can fine companies. It is in total breach of the principle of the separation of powers. The Government, Courts and Police are not supposed to be one and the same. If the EU Commission makes the laws (with the Parliament and Council), then they should not also be responsible for administering those laws and imposing fines. Trump can’t do whatever he wants, because there is a separate legal system. Neither can any EU member state government. That should also be the case in the EU.

BeeStreet7056

Nope, some right-wing politicians and business-lobbyists in EU say so, loudly. The rest oppose them and that is why the regulation remains high. :D

No_Location_3339

They are also importing as many third world, Islamic, north african migrants as possible. EU is so cooked.

stingraycharles

Well that only makes sense because the EU doesn’t have that many large tech companies (yes, there are a few important ones like ASML, but it’s still very small in comparison to the US).

BigRealNews

The EU disagrees with you. The EU is saying they’re overly regulated and are actively cutting regulations to survive.

apparentreality

Is Spotify a platorm like Android or Apple or Windows? No didn't think so. Learn the basics of economics instead of being a corporate bootlicker and using terms like "Europoors" - you're too dumb to understand this isn't about EU vs gun toting rednecks - it's about consumers vs corporations - and being a bootlicker won't save you.

lev10bard

This is why EU is behind on tech and AI race.

TheCudder

The EU actually makes an attempt to make business fair for consumers...but somehow us US citizens love how US businesses run and unchecked.

CuffytheFuzzyClown

Not strange at all, and not quite the ridiculous picture ignorant Americans are trying to paint. If you stop sniffing glue for a second and think a little... The EU has *extremely clear rules and regulations* that always gives companies ample time to adapt. These rules and regulations are most times about *protecting sensitive data and people's identities* so we don't get our socials sold to India or Thailand every other week...unlike Americans. American companies *willfully break these rules because they're so used to standing above the law*. But the EU isn't like USA, they can't just send $5 million to some orange baboon to get away with crime.

TheGreatBenjie

AI has also done a lot of damage, but I'm sure you don't care about that. Might solve cancer, might lead to techno death cults. Who knows? I'm 100% pro EU using its power to force these tech companies to comply to standards that benefit everyone. Nothing absurd about that.

rpthrowah

Sam Altman in the news making deals, EU antitrust case

UpsetKoalaBear

> I think this speaks volumes, not really to a lack of innovation but more so a less vibrant capital market. If you need to fund a company to create the smartest LLM in the world, typically, you don’t do that in the EU. > > Spotify is a great example of EU innovation, but where is their stock traded? The US stock exchange. Probably due to the same reason. That’s 100% true. European investors are far more picky with their investments. I think that the US is more risk taking with its investments, that’s simply it. It raises easy capital to list yourself in the US. Combine that with a tech-savvy investor base and you got yourself easy capital. That being said, weariness from European investors doesn’t necessarily mean that innovation isn’t occurring. It just means it’s harder for innovation to break out. However, once broken out, it tends to do well. I think your example of great innovation being Spotify is the main issue. A lot of good, large, European businesses just aren’t consumer facing. See, for your Spotify I raise you STMicro. The STM32 is one of the most abundant MCU’s on the market. You can literally find it almost everywhere related to embedded electronics. You wouldn’t know that though because they don’t market it to consumers. However, they’re crucial businesses that do a lot of innovation. I go back to ASML because the development timeline for EUV took almost 20 years to come to fruition and even Japanese fab machine makers dropped out (Canon and Nikon). In the end, they were the only ones capable of making a scalable product. Even then, they had funding from the US government to make it happen. So fundamentally, even your own government knows that Europe does innovate. It is just that Europe isn’t willing to invest in businesses losing millions before being profitable like the US does. That doesn’t mean that the US investment market is bad, it just means that the average US investor is more risk averse than a European one. Klarna is another recent example of this. They had every opportunity to raise capital on European markets but they know European markets aren’t going to be happy with their financials. So they went to the NYSE to raise capital. There’s multiple reasons for this. In particular the US investor gets access to schemes such as Roth IRA, 401k etc which are tax advantaged ways that encourage US citizens to invest. Europe doesn’t get as many options and the options it does have are mainly intended for retirement planning or are limited to European stocks only and have restrictions on foreign investment (like France’s PEA, Italy’s PIR etc). The UK is the only one with the S&S ISA, a tax advantaged way to invest in markets abroad and here. So that’s probably one reason why the US markets are more risk averse and, as a result, seem to be more innovative. However, that doesn’t mean the EU isn’t innovative. It just means that EU companies have the option of raising more capital in the US which is a given because of the advantages for a US citizen to place their money in the market.

pacmandaddy

AI is incredible and has already achieved some amazing things. The stuff that Google Deepmind has achieved with Alphafold? Incredible stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if AI solves cancer eventually. It's funny that you mention the USB-C example, because I do have an opinion on that. I am 100% against EU bureaucrats who know little about tech, intruding and meddling in other people's affairs and dictating to foreign tech companies how to design their products. It is absurd , laughable and also offensive.

IncidentJazzlike1844

What are you even quoting? Neither your article nor the official statement contain your quote. The official EU statement does not even make a mention of Apple Music.

TheGreatBenjie

You do seem like the person that would like a dystopia. The fact you're pro-ai is pretty telling as well. How about the fact that USB type C is the standard for virtually all devices now? We can thank the EU for that. I can't even tell if you like or dislike the cookie consent which is absolutely a good thing as well. Like, we get it, you go hard on the corpo-koolaid. Doesn't mean it's actually a good thing for humanity for tech companies to run the world.

AstockcollapseNow

Its been 138 trading days since the last 2% advance for SPY, the EU tariff pause in May was the catalyst for the last 2% move higher. It's the 8th longest dry spell without a 2% advance over the past 10 years.

pacmandaddy

That actually sounds kind of cool, a cyberpunk dystopia, if I am to be honest. I hadn't thought too much about that, but it sounds like a fun idea. Look at who is running various parts of the world today. I don't like what I see. I don't think I've benefited from any tech regulation that the EU has ever done and I've followed these things for a long time. There is that cookie consent form though, which I've run into a few times today already, I can thank the EU for that.

TheGreatBenjie

Look, I get that you want a cyberpunk dystopia where these tech companies run the world. That would be shitty though, so I am absolutely thankful for the EU for keeping these tech companies in check. You should be too, because despite your opinions you also benefit from these regulations.

svearige

I think that this line of thinking is fueled by the fact that no EU company are prticipating in fighing for the top in the LLM benchmarks. It’s just US & China. I think this speaks volumes, not really to a lack of innovation but more so a less vibrant capital market. If you need to fund a company to create the smartest LLM in the world, typically, you don’t do that in the EU. Spotify is a great example of EU innovation, but where is their stock traded? The US stock exchange. Probably due to the same reason.

IncidentJazzlike1844

Illiterate or trolling? From the EU commission itself: The Commission's investigation found that Apple bans music streaming app developers from fully informing iOS users about alternative and cheaper music subscription services available outside of the app and from providing any instructions about how to subscribe to such offers

Competitive_Ride

Where is the money EU, China, Japan and South Korea promised for trade deals? I thought mango was going to use it to pump the market

pacmandaddy

The US has done plenty for Ukraine and given plenty. Just because we haven't done exactly what some others want, doesn't mean we are aligned with Russia. I don't like Putin and I don't like the EU. Europe has sure aligned itself with Russia, even when being warned not to do so by Trump himself some years ago. The idiot German politicians sitting in the audience, laughed at his warning. Turns out, Trump was right and the laughing EU morons aren't as cheerful today probably, lol. Europe is also still buying lots of energy from Russia, Europe is basically financing Russia's war against Ukraine. Ukraine is primarily a Euro problem, you guys broke it, you guys fix it.

TheGreatBenjie

What you see as hindering innovation the rest of us see as keeping technology in check. You say it's not just about the money but it's 99% of the money and 1% your weird technorcrat ideals. The regulations the EU have put on companies worldwide have been all positive and pro-consumer.

UpsetKoalaBear

The EU isn’t going after Google here for being a monopoly. They’re going after them for being anticompetitive. There’s a vast difference between anticompetitive behaviour and a monopoly. In the same way that the [US Supreme Court considered Microsoft bundling Internet Explorer was anticompetitive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.#). The EU is doing the same thing. That doesn’t mean it’s a monopoly.

vermilli21

Bad combo, AVGO going down, GPT 5.2 just release, EU fines GOOGL......idk

UpsetKoalaBear

Such a ridiculous take. The US moves quicker, yes. I won’t deny that. However, if you’re implying that the EU doesn’t innovate and just regulates, that is ridiculous. - STMicro - No doubt you’ve used a device with a STM32. - NXP - No doubt their chips are somewhere in your car. - ASML - Self explanatory. - Nordic Semi - Most IOT devices have this in there somewhere. If you own a Tile tracker, it most likely has one of these inside. - Infineon - Also partnered with Nvidia for robotics. - Bosch - Self explanatory. - Kuka - Literally responsible for those videos of robots in car factories. Ford, Chrysler etc all use them. - Novo Nordisk - Half you mfers use Ozempic anyways. - Airbus - Self explanatory. - Spotify - Self explanatory. - Ericsson - Responsible for most the world’s 5G connectivity (including the US). - Nokia - As above. - Siemens - Self explanatory. Most of those descriptions are facetious, I won’t deny, but I cba do write a full DD on these companies. Software side of things, yeah. I won’t deny there are deficiencies there. However, there are still relatively large companies here that have huge impacts. SAP for instance, as shit as it is, is one of the only things capable of doing what it does. Like just saying that the EU doesn’t innovate is some of the most ignorant statements you can make and you know it. If this comment was ragebait, you have outplayed me.

Whole-Ad-7659

I’m sorry what? The fine is literally about Apple Music brought on from Spotify lobbying the European Union. This isn’t even a debate it’s just a fact. Even the EU and Spotify themselves acknowledged Spotify was the one lobbying for this.