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Rando1ph

I mean, I wouldn't. But with the S&P 500 near all time highs, if you're going to do it now is not a bad time to sell. Will European companies fair better than US? I mean some will but I'd bet the US would still get better returns overall for the foreseeable future. That being said, going all in on the EU isn't the worst strategy either. However if you are looking for stability you all are WAY more unstable than the US. You have an actual ground war on your continent...

welpWW3isgonnasuck

EU leaders handed him the 1951 treaty but they had to show it to him in crayon and read it in 20 second increments to let him know that the US can already do all of this.

Itallianstallians

Both. GOP senators were adamant that the Greenland stuff was a red line. EU and NATO rallied to show they won't be bullied by him. He was on a power trip, especially after Venezuela and he wanted to push that power around because he has deep insecurities because he fucks little boys and girls.

Old_Pitch4134

If you think all EU leaders aren’t discussing how quickly this can happen right now then you’re not paying attention. We’ll keep playing nice with the big baby as long as possible so he doesn’t throw a bitch fit before we’re ready, and begin building contingency plans and systems of our own as quietly and quickly as possible in the background.

harrison_wintergreen

> apan? EU countries? > > Yes? I would have more confidence in both of those over US bonds. Why? as of last year Germany was the only G7 nation with debt to GDP under 100%.

liquidsprout

EU pre-war Russian gas consumption was 45%, now it's 12%. Oil went from 29% to 1. Some of it might be rerouted through other countries, but there's at least a price cap and I think EU voted that the origin has to be verified. And of that a big chunk is Hungary and Slovakia, on both counts. Orban is Russia sympathetic. This was and is a very big deal to the German economy which ran on cheap Russian energy. The reduced trade is also hurting countries such as Finland, which is currently stagnating, despite the current goverment's attempts to recucitate it.

jeffynihao

Xiaomi smart car hitting EU market in 2027. Goodbyeeeee TSLA

Remarkable-Action708

Not a single EU leader has corroborated TACO’s details on Greenland deal, as usual he is trying to get what he wants by open media statements like infinite duration, mineral rights etc. just wait for someone to say, we did not agree to all that…back to using brute force!

SarcasticTrumpet

Fake outs with Greenland and vague threats on both sides for retaliation with trade deals in EU is making this highly retarded...I think ill full port

whicky1978

The US makes up like 60% of the world‘s economy. What is the EU like 10 countries or something in the US is 50 states so that’s like 5 to 1 easily

99posse

Another nothing burger to save his face. The US had 17 bases in Greenland and shut all of them down except for one. There are multiple NATO bases in each EU country and no controversy. The mining part is new (to my knowledge) but he could have just asked, i don't think there is any opposition in letting another country invest, do the work, and get the benefits

AnswerLongjumping965

Couldn’t the USA already do that? Did the EU just trick him into tacoing or did he just fold due to lack of support?

ValueOfADollar

wouldn't it be the US if it's at market open? EU poors propped it up pre

quarkral

yea, imagine buying 0dte calls on liberation day i thought we'd need to wait for retaliation by EU before trump chickens out

Premeditati0

People are such idiots around this. I had to educate a friend of mine from Germany on why Europe can’t use our treasuries debt with the EU as a weapon without committing suicide themselves. Actually, it likely would hurt them even more than us if they suddenly dumped trillions.

CaptainCanuck93

I heard an estimate that, based on similar trade breakdowns elsewhere, a conservative estimate would be at least an immediate 20% decline in the sp500 if Trump actually went to war over Greenland and the EU severed trade with the USA The fact that the market only dipped 2% was essentially pricing that there was only a 10% chance of him actually doing it I think however that the market is missing the long term implications of American firms. Canadian consumption of US consumer goods is down about 30%. The rest of the world is going to start to do the same. America's *brand* is severely impaired and a 20-something will carry that impression of the USA for decades of consumer preferences 

WatchandThings

I think we are generally on same page as well, but minor points I will address. Without US the world will trade more with EU and BRICS. I think EU will step up fill good amount of the void that US would leave behind, or at least that's my hope as I see them as a beacon of light against authoritarianism without the US in the world. I'm not claiming they are angelic without faults, but they are significantly better than the alternatives. US meddling and regime changes were bad, and I do apologize for that mess as an American. As you pointed out Iraq should not have happened, and suffering of all those people in and around Iraq should not have happened. I don't think Saddam was a good leader, but I don't think we should have had a say in the matter and I think we ended up being worse for the people there. However, I think the regional powers will do even more meddling and regime changing without the US. It'll just be more restricted to their neighboring areas rather than across the world. So we'll see more chaos in that way, not less.

Stocks_N_Bondage

You judge the US on the propaganda you are fed by your globalist bureaucracies. You have no moral high ground. You don't know where I have lived nor where I have traveled. I do not refer to Europe (it's capitalized by the way) as a "single" entity, I do refer to the EU as an entity. I love France by the way. At the same time, you seem to refer to US as a single entity, when we are a collection of 50 independent states. There is much or more difference between Alabama and California as there is between France and Germany. I find it amusing when Europeans come visit how they have a hard time grasping how large and diverse the USA is. For the record, I'm a Californian. Trying to assert aspersions such as infant mortality rates is spurious at best, for a mass of reasons. I have long written about the prison population, which is a failure of the neo-liberals, the result of Biden's 1994 crime bill (when he was Senator, signed by Clinton). But it must be nice to be in the EU, where your nations don't need to spend much on military defense, as we, the USA, are largely supplying that for you at our taxpayer expense. This allows you to spend your money more elaborate social programs. You can thank US for giving you that. LOL

EnoughWithTheKimbop

They’ve clearly perceived it as a threat and it has majorly damaged our relationship with the EU. In what world is this a good thing? Do you even hear yourself outside of making excuses for this guy?

Icy_Jelly_315

What he gonna do, sell EU securities? Try to find EU non NATO countries his military is prepared to attack?

Internal_Field5970

Apparently Trump threatened major retaliation if EU sells US securities Can’t find link tho 

EmbarrassedWonder476

The EU need to grow some balls and ban X

No_Lawfulness_3919

There was a major humungous spike of spy buying right before 🥭called off EU tariffs. It’s crooked as can be. I sold but thats only because Im buying my 9th rental property , Im really loosing faith in stock market investing.

LouDubra

There is no version of this arc where you could claim he got what he wanted in this and be correct. The EU just let him know they were willing to fight and started selling American bonds. If they do that, China will follow because they don't want to be caught with the bag. They have to power to destroy our economy. Trunk and his team, being complete amateur, didn't realize how complex and interconnected our relationship with Europe is. They gambled and lost. Trump backed down on every threat and tried to claim he had some type of deal. Notice he claimed it was a great deal but refused to explain it. There was no deal. Trump and his team just learned a lesson in how the world works. They are such amateurs it's embarrassing. Worse, Trump is flexing in the US and trying to convince us he is in a position of strength, but anyone who knows anything can see that the EU bent him over. Those who can't see that probably shouldn't be investing.

EI-SANDPIPER

At the expense of the EU citizens quality of life. All these big ideas cost time and money. In the end they will still be dependent, because of our military and tech companies

WillTheGreat

Mans out there projecting that good data is causing the market to pull back due to rate concerns, then immediately taco on his EU threat. GDP and PCE probably coming in not favorable for a rate cut, while unemployment claims are creeping higher…cause we all know 🥭 loves to front run unfavorable data and run that shit like it’s gold

The_Spicy_brown

I would say America is more on the financials side and the EU is the one being more lawyerly, since they are the one that gives fine to compagnies and implement consumer protection. Has long has America has the dollar, they are gonna be the big bank of the world. If that will change, i don't know, but they will defend it at all cost if its ever in danger of being replaced. And its not just that Ray Dalio is invested in China, but also that some of the point he says about America (like the high debt to GDP ratio) is even worst in China. There is also the fact that China showed 0 interests in having the place of the US has world police/replacing the dollar and China's GDP is good, but per capita, its worst then the US.... From everything iv'e read and with the speech of Carney at Davos, its pretty clear where we are heading. Its gonna be 3 big powers that's gonna rule the new world order in somewhat divided power with some major conflicts/blluying made by these 3 powers. Medium size countires are either gonna ally themselves or get tossed around by China and the US. Maybe the US will change tone after Trump, but seeing how limp the democrats are, its hard to see whats gonna be the next direction afterwards.

fact_not_salty_tears

Nope, nations are holding onto gold if they can. Hypothetical: You inherit your grandparent's house and the house is run down- the land however has a value, so you plan to tear the old house down and then sell the block. So, as you're cleaning it out, you find a cigar box hidden in their old sofa. In the box, turns out grandma hid $34 US dollars from the year 1972 and an ounce of gold that was worth $34 in 1972. So you work it out: The $34 dollars from then would have bought two to three trolleys full of groceries in 1972, but now, that $34 buys only 5 boxes of breakfast cereal. But the ounce of gold now, yeah that will buy about 16 trolleys full of groceries NOW. Q- What happened? A-Too much money printing is making paper money worthless. Yesterday, gold shot up Aus $230 an oz, because the EU threatened to sell the US treasury Bonds (T-Bills) that Europe holds and, threatened to dump them in unison with China. That would crash the dollar. It's eased back a bit because Trump has momentarily accepted a minerals deal with Denmark for Greenland. If you think gold is going to crash, then you have a lot of faith in paper money, when not many others do.

EI-SANDPIPER

So the EU is going to use inferior products to become more productive and competitive. Ok, I'll believe it when I see it

earliestbirdy

Do it. Sell all your US equities. You sound like someone who deserves a big concentrated EU portfolio.

Kermez

Yes, but do they see EU and Canada reducing US exposure and long term effects of that?

CookieDelivery

Market reaction was appropriate IMO. Let's say there was a 10% chance he'd go through with an actual invasion of Greenland, what do you think that'd do with the stock market? 20% crash at least, as US-EU relations would be shattered. So a 2% dip makes complete in that case.

azrael4h

If there is (I'd doubt it, mind you, as that would end any hope for US firms to ever sell anything ever again, and they're probably pissed at the suggestion), I can pretty much guarantee that the second Trump mentioned kill switches France at least, if not every EU country, started having engineers and programmers go over their US-sourced equipment with a fine tooth comb.

asdafari14

EU holds 5% of outstanding.

LessInThought

If you give the bully your lunch money, he'd just keep asking for your lunch money. The EU can give Trump Greenland and he'd probably just threaten tariffs again and ask for some other country next.

asdafari14

> Dump it all and see what they do You realize it is a loss for the EU too? It's like 5% American real estate but thinking you can just dump it and crash the market. It will go down some but EU will lose massively as well.

andreicde

Based on the speech the Canadian PM game at Davos and other leaders, I don't think EU is going back. They will search for alternatives and try to remove as much from USA as possible. Maybe for stock people it's a pump and dump (it really is) but Countries don't want to deal with tariffs threats every time the orange man decides he wants to throw a tantrum.

morakanos

25% of USA’s debt is from China, Japan and the EU. They could just play Trumps game and dump the bonds and crash the US economy. What an idiot he is. He is nothing more than a ignorant bully. His grasp of economics is that of a grade school child.

kaapooj

true, I stand corrected there are stocks and ETFs that offer goodreturns especislly with the strenghtening European currencies againdt the USD e.g. EUR. But in general fees are higher, volume is lower, they are quricks like transaction taxes, EU growth is ~1%/y and often options are European style (inconvenient).

Vlisa

EU/futures up bigly, but no reaction to the pause on the EU/US tariff deal seemingly?

andreicde

The current Ukraine situation is thanks to Americans meddling in the 2014 elections. I keep hearing of Russia wanting to do X or Y, but as far as I see, we would not be in this situation if USA stayed the heck away from Ukraine period and stopped meddling in the politics of other countries. As much as USA loves to brag about being friends with Russia, Putin will never forget that they are in this war/situation for years because of USA meddling. In any case, I'll be curious to see how will the USA stock market react once more EU firms dump the US assets.

OkSeesaw5516

After a certain point it's not about him only as there will be consequences from the EU as well. The more he acts like this, the more likely it is we will cross that line.

No-Candidate6257

>Lol, imagine not even reading the article and still commenting. LOL, imagine reading Western media and thinking it's presenting a full story. > Trump threatened tariffs, then he backed down. He threatened tariffs to force negotiations of a deal that they previously refused to have. He got his negotiations. >And yes the US is Europe and Chinas bitch. Except that the entire EU is led entirely by US puppets and does whatever the US demands, including signing over Greenland after just a threat of tariffs. >That's why after 9/11 the US came begging for help. It didn't "beg". Their puppets bent the knee and helped. >It's why although Trump keeps threatening tariffs on Europe, he always backs down. That's because tariffs are an economic weapon to coerce Europe while also harming the US economy. The US doesn't "back down", its gets concessions from the Europeans, then reduces tariffs again. The US regime throws shit at the wall and sees what sticks. >Do you see how you have to lie to justify your position, yet I simply have to refer to historical facts? Do you notice how you accuse me of lying without being able to point out a single thing I said that's wrong? >Remember when France told the US to fuck off regarding Iraq? I remember Germany supporting the US in Iraq, yes. >Remember when the UK told the US to fuck off regarding the Falklands? I remember the UK being the biggest supporter of the US in Europe, yes. >Remember when the US backed down on their trade wars 3 times in 2025 alone? I remember the US leading a continuous trade war against Europe and gaining more and more from it at the detriment of the European people, yes.

Uberbobo7

There is also the consideration of their obligation to not lose money and invest into safe assets. If you remove US bonds, which have historically been considered just about the safest investment you can make, then you still need to invest that money somewhere. And if they had had a good alternative they would have diversified long ago. Especially since ideally you want some part of your portfolio in foreign bonds to hedge against instability in the domestic market, and without the US and considering Sweden is in the EU (so it's all domestic market really), there's not many other countries whose bonds fit that description. It will especially be important to see how this affects Alecta's returns and market confidence in them, because that will likely determine how willing others are to do the same.

kaapooj

Even if the EU is unable to react directly, why aren’t they bringing a policy flurry over the finishing line? Especially the Savings and Investment Union? Retail and institutional investors are overexposed and effectively in a chokehold of US markets.

daedalus_dance

Seriously economic sabre rattling, two rambling speeches, then withdrawal of military and tariff threats. A promise to negotiate something non-negotiable. Next couple days will be full of accusations everyone was mad for no reason, the EU did nothing and further rambling that'll continue to the mid-terms. At the end of it Greenland will remain Danish and delulu's will understand why institutions win, markets matter, laws were created and that soft power is still power. The US is digging itself into an economic hole and losing any good will it has to even fund that army its so proud of. **Puts on the dollar, calls on gold**.

kaapooj

EU, we will, we could, we might, we reject, .... no action, no power projection China and Russia love to see such a weak Europe

kaapooj

seems Europe, EU and especially Denmark lack any self respect. It is astonishing, it seems US can bully and insult them in public, threaten them with tariffs, undermine their public system, ... and 0 reaction just talk. It is embarassing and quite sad.

kaapooj

does the EU and especially Denmark lack self-respect?

ImpressiveDegree5207

The approval in Saudi Arabia is for both bladder cancer and non small cell lung cancer. They have conditional approval for bladder cancer in the EU.

VedderT3

Research where these EU companies (countries) source energy, fertilizer, oil and gas, steel, critical minerals, corn, soybeans, and wheat. Then let’s talk risk. Almost none of the things that actually drive geo-political stability are sourced in the EU. The EU outsources their own national defense. News flash, exiting US markets puts your wealth at greater exposure to geo-political risk…not less.

withywander

EU is a bloc of countries, not a continent. They are just a looser federation of states than the US is. Trump is a complete fucking idiot who is burning US soft power for personal gain. If you can't see past that then you're a fool.

UpbeatReaction1360

The EU as a collective hold far far more than china

Swamptor

Guys. The USA threatened a member of NATO. If that kind of global instability doesn't cause a dip, wall street is out to lunch. This move has locked former strong allies of the United States into a new trajectory of trying to protect and distance themselves from a unpredictable and erratic nation. It doesn't matter that he went back on everything. I'm looking for other countries and regions to invest in because with every new antic from this guy, I'm less and less confident in: - the US dollar continuing to be a reserve currency - the US corporate environment remaining stable and therefore profitable - the long term prospects of US goods and services in international markets (affected by trade wars) - other countries being comfortable using US software/services in their critical supply chains. Countries in the EU are looking for domestic cloud providers to rely on instead of AWS. Canada is strengthening ties with Chinese manufacturing. Hell, consumers in Denmark are allegedly using apps to detect US made goods in an attempt at boycotting the country. These things are all bad news for S&P 500 companies.

gregsting

The EU should make it automatic, adjust taxes automatically based on us tariff. We cannot use more time on this shit anymore

basicpred

I understand the geopolitics. I know Obama already made the pivot to Asia. I know EU underspend on defence and US has a point there. But you have see reality here. This is extortion by mob bosses. Every country in the world is now considering developing nuclear weapons. It's not all part of the big plan. It's just criminals stealing money.

beatlemaniac007

EU is a continent my man. US is a country. And combined they are just barely doing a bit more than the US. The EU countries had not been meeting their military spending targets that NATO has laid out. Poland, latvia etc have been and Trump never goes after them. Germany, Norway, Denmark have never met their targets until 2024/25 for the first time ever. And now the targets are raised for 2035. Biden

beatlemaniac007

Lol the factors you're raising shows you have no clue about what is really going on. You're falling for rhetoric and headlines and reactionary bandwagoning on reddit. The real analysis is not happening at this layer. You have to look at incentive structures to make sense of all this. I'm not pumping up the US, I'm not even american. The fact that you think all this strategy is coming from "the man" tells me enough. He is a mouthpiece, do you really believe he is actually strategizing all this? Yes, there is a big plan around all this, like duh. The biggest largest empire in the history of the planet with rock solid institutions, etc is not just suddenly going rabid for no reason. However, all I CAN say is that there is a plan...I don't have any foresight to know any better than you whether the plan will succeed or fail or whatever else. The US enjoyed dominating in a unipolar world all this time. Now with China/Russia creating new threats, both military and economic, the republican party has decided that the alliance structures are too costly and heavy, so they want to go more isolationist. The democrats would be less rude and "evil child"like but trust me, they want the same outcome (ie. getting allies to shape up and pull their own weight). They just would do it in a more professional way in public and not openly threaten random stuff like Trump is. Behind closed doors, they would be having very similar conversations as Trump with EU leaders.

withywander

The US helped the most, except for the part where the EU helped more? Lmao. Plus you've conveniently forgotten that it was Biden who helped Ukraine, and Trump has done extremely little and has co-operated directly with Putin. If you knew your own history you'd know that Ukraine has done a fine job of pushing Russia out of their doorstep and they only need more long range weapons to turn the tide. The fact they have defended against Russia for 4 years is practically a miracle.

Motorbarge

You missed this: >successfully passed an interim analysis conducted by the Independent Data Monitoring Committee [https://www.advarra.com/blog/what-is-a-data-monitoring-committee/](https://www.advarra.com/blog/what-is-a-data-monitoring-committee/) >What Is an Independent DMC? >A DMC is an independent group of experts who conduct a periodic review of accumulated interim data during a clinical trial. DMCs are strenuously recommended for certain clinical trials by both U.S. FDA and EU European Medicines Agency (EMA) guidelines.

basicpred

Your mind is a mess. Are you really claiming there's a big plan behind all this? This man is an evil child. And his friends are stealing your money dude. Wake up. You think the EU is weak and the US is strong. But your future is grim. Every and I mean every country in the world is derisking the dollar after today. And mocking your education system btw.

ThinkingOfTheOldDays

pundits believe he wants to give EU weirdos cover to remilitarize, at min

VelcroLounge_Lissard

Good points. The people of Russia have endured hardship for centuries. The people of USA will revolt as soon as their Pizzas go up in price by 15%. EU can and should strangle USA. Preemptively.

SaltyRiceCake90

i'm pretty sure the EU is in on the tariff pump and dump scam at this point

TWSTrader

**Institutional background here (14 years).** The "72-Hour Rule" remains undefeated. As we discussed earlier in the week: **The Tariff Threat was the Leverage. The "Golden Dome" was the Price.** You are witnessing the completion of the **"Madman Cycle."** 1. **Monday:** Threaten irrational destruction (Tariffs on Allies). 2. **Wednesday:** Create panic (Gold to $4,800, EU suspends deals). 3. **The Pivot:** "Productive Meeting." **The Institutional De-Brief:** * **The "Golden Dome" is the Alpha:** Trump didn't want the tariffs; he wanted European funding/participation in his Missile Defense Shield project ("The Golden Dome"). He used the Greenland/Arctic sovereignty threat to force NATO's hand on defense spending. * **The Market Mechanic:** Watch the **VIX** today. It is going to implode. * When "Tail Risk" (Trade War/Invasion) is removed from the table, funds that were hedging with Puts *must* sell those hedges and buy back stocks. This creates a **"Vanna Rally"** (a mechanical melt-up driven by options dealers adjusting exposure). **The Trap to Avoid:** Don't think "It's over, back to normal." The "Golden Dome" mention implies a massive capex cycle for **Defense Contractors.** * The trade rotates from "Safety" (Gold/Bonds) to "Implementation" (Industrials/Aerospace). * **Raytheon (RTX)** and **Lockheed (LMT)** are likely the real winners of this "Greenland Deal," not the Danish government. **My Take:** The "Taco Tuesday" call was right. If you bought the fear yesterday, you get paid today. Now, **Sell the News** on Gold. The fear premium is gone.

TWSTrader

>**Viewing this from an institutional lens...** ignore the "Turnberry Deal" suspension. That is just political theater. The market largely expected that deal to die the moment the tariff tweet went out Saturday. The real "Black Swan" in this article—and the thing that should actually scare you—is the **"Anti-Coercion Instrument" (ACI).** Most retail traders have never heard of this because it has never been used. It was designed for China, but pointing it at the US is a massive escalation. Here is why the ACI is infinitely more dangerous than standard tariffs: **1. The "Nuclear Option": IP Stripping** Standard trade wars are about taxes (Tariffs). The ACI is about **Property Rights.** * **The Threat:** The article mentions *"lifting of intellectual property protections."* * **The Impact:** If the EU invokes this, they could theoretically tell European generic drug makers, *"Go ahead and copy Pfizer and Merck's drugs; we will ignore the patents."* Or tell European tech firms they can ignore US software licenses. * **The Trade:** This stops being a "Soybean/Farmer" problem and becomes a **Big Tech / Big Pharma** problem. **2. The "Asymmetric Warfare" of the ACI** The EU knows they can't win a tariff war (The US buys more from them than they buy from us). So, the ACI allows them to target **Services and Capital**, not just Goods. * *Investment Restrictions:* Blocking US Private Equity from buying EU assets. * *Procurement Bans:* Banning Microsoft or Amazon AWS from bidding on European government cloud contracts. **My Take:** Watch the language coming out of Thursday's meeting. * If they stick to **"Retaliatory Tariffs"** (Bourbon/Harleys): **Buy the Dip.** That is standard playbook stuff. The market knows how to digest it. * If they officially invoke the **ACI (The Bazooka)**: **Short the QQQ and XLV (Healthcare).** * US Tech and Pharma valuations are built on global IP protection. If that cracks, the premium evaporates. **The Timeline:** The EU moves at the speed of bureaucracy. They meet Thursday. Implementation takes weeks. You have time to hedge. Look at **Puts on US Multi-nationals** with >30% revenue from Europe, and rotate into **Domestic Small Caps (IWM)** or **US Defense (ITA)**, which are immune to European regulators.

PlutoPlaneta

Wait.. so if US is only 20% and EU is 15-20%. what in world are the other 60%? Australia? South America? Africa? like, seriously?

CarcossaYellowKing

1. We can only force project thanks to Europe allowing us to keep air bases in their backyard and allowing us to dock at their naval bases. 2. If Europe dumps our bonds we couldn’t feed half our military 3. Russia can’t even defeat Ukraine so the EU seems fine. 4. Europe is now welcoming China because a slightly untrustworthy leader that is predictable is better than a fully untrustworthy leader that’s straight up retarded like the US.

SignificanceLate7002

🥭 said no forceful takeover and no new tariffs for what he says is a framework for a deal. EU canceled trade deal that benefited America more than EU. I think you mixed up the winner here.

FuckleUp

So the EU ended up invading Greenland and giving Donny his Prize 🏆 😂 Denmark 🇩🇰 😢

Express-World-8473

Lol the conservatives still believe that they don't need the EU to buy their bonds. They believe that the US institutions will buy the bonds, EU and China is selling and firmly believes that USA doesn't need help from anyone. Idiots don't know USA's allies were the one's who kept buying the bonds China is selling. Now India joined the selling fray, if even EU starts selling, it won't be long before TACO gets ousted by the same MAGA mob.

upwy

nato secretary doing EU land deals now

beatlemaniac007

I don't follow, the US IS helping Ukraine the most. They've so far paid like 150 billion in aid, while all of EU together has paid like 200 billion. I'm not claiming he's making EU build an army out of 'care' for the EU and goodness of his heart. He's doing it cuz he doesn't want to carry them with so much lopsidedness. EU is re-arming because US is telling them "stop relying on us so much, pull your own weight". EU is not surprised regardless of what they tell the media, US has been telling them this for over a decade. Only they are putting the foot down on matter now. So EU has to increase their military spending out of necessity and telling its people "look at evil USA, our hands are tied, we have to allocate more budget to our armies and that might eat into our socialist policies". None of this is false, it's all about the framing.

adisor21

I still stand by my points as I said , No credible source outside the administration , Trump said , White house said, all of these are the administration. Troop movement to Greenland was probably necessary but, keep in mind it was small units. nothing that could prevent a real invasion. It was a gesture of, "we stand with Greenland". Not a credible military deployment to defend the island. And the Greenland PM talk is just a precaution which is fine. So there were no republicans or democrats saying they have plans for invasion or they were briefed on such a plan, no military generals that were preparing for invasion, no movement of equipment. No EU or NATO intelligence on US troops to prepare for invasion. This is what i am talking about, there was no leak or any info on any invasion on Greenland, other than what Trump and white house said and his allies. Remember Russia invasion, we were warned 2 months in advance of massive Russian movement on Ukraine border. I agree to some extend your point at the end. But is not really what i am stating. So no i don't think there was any credible info that he would have invaded, even markets didn't believe, however markets did believe the 10% tariffs and more, that's more likely. One thing i have to says, you are falling into Trump's plan. He wants you to think like that. That he is a mad man, that he can do anything he wants, that you may never know if he would just conquer a country on a whim because he is unhinged. But I think it' all calculated move.

1sailingaway

Sorry but no. I’d love to watch the EU investments in China from the stands. It’d make dark comedy. Can’t wait for the show.

GulNoticer

Crash the US economy and Europe loses American natural gas (having already lost Nordstream) and any real deterrence to further Russian expansion. I'm not saying that the soft handed technocrats of Europe won't do it. I'm however saying that it's suicide for the EU, and quite possibly the opening needed for large swathes of Europe to swing wildly to the right.

MrSquigglyPub3s

EU will do nothing, just get knee pads ready

Single_Offshore_Dad

There was news this morning about trump starting a negotiation framework for Greenland. I believe around 7am or so. Then EU said fuck that. Then trump said something about no tariffs for them. It’s been a wild fucking day.

manniesalado

Every time Trump flip-flops he shows his hand. The EU, and many others, want to start taxing the big Yank tech Oligarchs for a morsel of the loot they take in abroad and then play shell games with the revenue to avoid taxation. Trump, naturally, goes to the mat for his Oligarch pals, always threatening tariffs. But if it becomes obvious Trump does not have the juice to levy those tariffs then I'm sure those digital sales taxes are coming soon.

GladCheetah6048

How is it whataboutism? You set the requirements, I showed you the only historical example that actually fit into them. Trump 2.0 has done more to unravel US hegemony than any president ever. Go and watch Mark Carney's speech from yesterday. EU is talking about using the anti-corrosion instrument. European pension funds have started to sell off treasuries. Starmer will be in China next week.

AgustinCB

I mean... kinda. Whether he TACO'd or not, this didn't go without repercussions: The trade deal with the EU is still paused indefinitely; two trust funds in Europe set a precedent of selling U.S. treasuries; and the political will of a lot of western countries reached a tipping point. I am not saying the stock market will crash tomorrow. Nor that NATO is ending next week. And I definitely agree with you that making any sort of short term claims based on the inner workings of Trump's mind is idiotic. But I also don't think this was inconsequential to the US economy (or the Western economy, for that matter). Impossible to assess the magnitude now, we will see in +2 years. But you can TACO so many times without breaking trust in your market, the main economic advantage that the US market had.

withywander

If he wanted to strengthen the EU, then he would help Ukraine to send the invaders on Europe's doorstep packing. The EU is re-arming because the US is no longer a reliable ally, not because of cajoling.

Similar_Try_5089

If EU capitulates to Trump, they will have made cucks of themselves forever.

Zombieneekers

I mean the EU market (stoxx 600) only dropped like two percent, on an otherwise unpeecedented bullrun. The Nasdaq has been stagnant for four months.

CulturalBoat5779

I wouldn't be surprised if Canada, EU & common liked interest countries will develop their own payment and financial system outside of SWIFT very soon.

gizamo

For a population of 1.4 Billion compared to the US's 340 Million and EU's 450 Million. So, 1.4B to almost 0.79B. China should be making almost double the US/EU. It's still unimpressive even if you add in the total European population (including all non-EU countries, even Russia). That would be 740 million + the US's 340 million for just over 1.08 billion. Imo, if the AI companies think it's so important, they should be building out all their own electrical systems. Until the US has decent social services, e.g. universal healthcare, it shouldn't be subsidizing the thing that will unemploy 90% of the population.

No-Performer5644

Dont ordinary contracts still work in the usa, Are they not enforcable anymore. If US and EU sign a trade deal it can be enforced in US court if Trump breaches contract or not?

watching_whatever

Update: Apparently Denmark, Iceland, NATO and the EU have caved to Trump. “Bases” of Sovereign Greenland will be sold permanently (no lease) to the United States. It’s just the start, ….Trump actually won?!?

SignificanceLate7002

"Over the last year, financial markets have batted away concerns over the impact of the US president's policy announcements, taking comfort in the TACO acronym, Trump Always Chickens Out." Quote from a BBC article today about the EU tariffs.

watching_whatever

Apparently Denmark, Iceland, NATO and the EU have caved to Trump. Bases will be sold permanently to the United States. It’s just the start, Trump actually won?

No_Assistance5652

As 🥭 backtracked on tariffs, does the EU resuming the trade deal?

AdhesivenessDry2236

Since covid the average American has had basically no money. Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck. There's a certain reality that the US political instability is largely due to how bad it really is for the average person and if the EU pulls out then it'll only be more fucked.

DenormalHuman

I think the EU said he can have the resources on Greenland and laughed all the way back home. Have fun getting that out of the ground. The US has already tried working under hte ice and abandoned projects because it's too hard to do when the ice sheet is shifting around at the speed it does.

Mobile-Bar7732

And the whole point behind a country selling of US T-bills is that it will cost Americans more to service the debt. Probably not in this case because it's not that much. If the entire EU sold off all of their US T-bills it certainly would hurt the US. > A mass sell-off of US Treasuries by foreign holders would, all else equal, push Treasury prices down and yields up. That would tend to: Increase US government interest costs, especially on new issuance. tighten US financial conditions, meaning higher rates across the mortgage and corporate debt markets

SarcasmGPT

He wanted Greenland. He doesn't have Greenland. He didn't get any land, he already had bases, he already had access to minerals and there is no golden dome. EU sent about 20 guys. Literally. So he got nothing. It's always projection with you people , you're the ignorant one because you don't even know what your already have and you're claiming he got it. He got... Literally nothing. You'll just move onto some other nonsense because that's all you know to do. Like trump himself, you'll waffle nonsense, call it a win and pat yourself on the back not realising you've lost.

JohnsonSmithKlineBS

But it was all bullshit from the start. I mean the timeline for today was fuck Denmark at 830 am they’re getting tariffs then he speaks at Davos and says no military usage and but you’d better give it to us. Then EU says we’re suspending trade deal and an hour after that Trumpie Pooh says we’ve got a deal. Like when did he work that out, over a hamburger on his lunch hour? He knew going into this thing that he was going to rug pull anyone being 🌈 🐻 and make a few million when he juiced the market.

GeneralRaspberry8102

Because they haven’t dumped anything yet, and it not the EU it’s a few European countries and those countries don’t have enough bonds to dump to make a difference.

Express-Shopping260

No shit!! USA economy is totally dependent on EU trade or else they will make China richer. They have literally no choice. Never underestimate the power of Europe and the EU

jezebel_jessi

Taco man chickened out of EU tariffs. 

upwy

there's literally no deal. who even agreed to anything? did he get a majority vote in the EU for his deal or with denmark? fake threats followed by fake deals.