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Stocks_N_Bondage

To be fair, IQ is a normal distribution with median, mean, and mode all equal to 100. Fully half the world's population is below average IQ (100). This certainly includes EU, which I suppose partially explains the EU parliament.

ChronicScroll3r

Yeh I believe this is what he wants out of the deal, we won’t invade but we want access to there resources, we’ll play royalties, but you EU need to also focus on protecting this from China and Russia

Poundcake2RedVelvet

it's what they do to get away with stuff, flood the zone. by invading Venezuela and capturing their president, then threaten Greenland and start a trade war with the EU, who's gonna give a damn the Epstein files still haven't been released a MONTH after the legal deadline set by Congress. The pedophile who is running the country sure won't care about it

Apprehensive_Law7629

The deal is very easy. If it’s true that Trump wants to increase national security, well, he can already put as many US as he wants there. Also EU countries said they are open to contribute to security with own army. Sadly the truth is just Trump wants Finland for two reasons. One is for ego, to be the president that added a new country to US. Second reason is to be authorised to move to Canada as next assault. That’s it.

HWTseng

It’s simple… China and Russia joins Trump’s board of peace, EU joins board of peace. Since everyone is now in the same board they’re all safe.

Bofa12313

Well yes, greenland is danish terriory, Denmark is apart of NATO and EU, therefore making it more important then Ukraine. Europes stance shouldn't confuse you.

ChronicScroll3r

He ain’t invading Greenland. His just threatening and bullying to make a deal and force EU to go protect Greenland. Likely wants guarantees from EU on a plan for Greenland

HungryTigerr

Comparing Venezuela to the EU is certainly a choice.

thadcorn

Robert Armstrong (the guy who coined "TACO") said that if Trump ever comes against a country who is strong and organized, it is always TACO because he knows he can't win the fight, but on the other head if the country is weak and unorganized, that country gets the FAFO treatment. As long as the EU pushes back hard and in unison, then expect to get the TACO treatment again.

chichiharlow

This is fine. There is literally an entire concept called the T.A.C.O. trade because Trumps tariff threats are so predictable. Also, see Kobeissi's tariff playbook on Twitter. They say we're at step 6. And always watch the bond market. "it seems like the 10Y Note Yield rising above 4.60% is President Trump "warning sign." If the 10Y Note Yield rises well above 4.50% this time around, we would expect President Trump to pull back significantly on tariff theats against the EU over Greenland until bond markets normalize. Keep watching the bond market, President Trump does NOT want higher yields, especially during the midterm election year."

Grouchy_Spare1850

100 million is nothing in a market that trades 100's of billions daily. what it does mean is that the USD is sold and Euros are bought. this is also nothing in a market that trades in 100's of billions daily. What it does mean is a physical ( or book ) change in the dynamics, The removal of bonds from euro market to be placed in the American market, and the EURO moving to Europe. This makes the USD weaker, meaning American's gain less from oil and Europe can buy more oil. Now the longer effect of " buy local or from allies " means that the U.S. being a top trading partner for the Europe, representing about 14.7% of the EU's total trade value, might start falling. Where only the rich Americans can enjoy the goods from Europe. Also, the value of illegal items might be even more expensive. Ireland is the wild card, they have 30% of their GDP tied to the USA. a weekend dollar might be painful for them.

tabrizzi

Congratulations! But why blame the EU?

Behind_the_palm_tree

As an American as pissed off as you, I can’t tell you how much this comment made me laugh. Well played and said. Most of our citizens don’t know history, let alone what our constitution says. We’ve literally become the embodiment of idiocracy. It will hurt, but we need the EU to sanction the shit out of us. It’s the only way to change the status quo. Billionaires run our country now. To kill their infinite money glitch is the only way to destroy them. I mean, I wish we’d just do a general strike. That’d be just as effective. But again, half my countrymen are too dense to realize they have fallen pray to a tyrant and too proud to admit they are wrong. We’re a failed state. And I fear what the fallout will be like.

InvestIntrest

I think the risk is exaggerated. Only about 25% of US debt is forign owned or about 7 trillion. The American economy is over 30 trillion, so we could absorb that, although it would sting. It's also important to remember that many countries in the EU have bonds in the hands of American institutions. We could dump their debt in retaliation. Countries like France with over 50% of their debt in foreign hands may get burned worse than we will.

wallus13

So will the EU and pretty much everywhere else

VeryRareHuman

It's understandable to avoid and migrate to Non-US products and services. It's not just Google, AWS and Microsoft...it's a whole set of US tech services. Adobe, Cybersecurity, Financial services/software, etc., Effects will show up in few months (losing customers in EU, Asia).

AggressiveReport5747

What happens if say, EU sanctions big tech, and/or big tech decides to slow AI build out due to trade barriers, growth barriers, non realized gains etc?

Dry_Act6001

This is so unbelievably regarded as a defense and geopolitical take. China doesn't need to take Taiwan to enforce their influence and long terms goals. It is more beneficial for them not to invade Taiwan. Greenland will never be invaded, the US military refuses to plan those operations and it is a protected decision under the UCMJ. POTUS would have to find leadership above the ones refusing (stars) willing to UCMJ them, which won't happen and if it did they would likely be requesting a court martial to defend their case etc. EU and NATO would never align with Russia, their domestic populations would never allow it to happen and would render every single purchase on defense moot. Russia and EU/NATO don't even have the same kit to be able to operate efficiently during joint ops. Iran is pretty much done. North Korea threatens to receive more aid and concessions, they aren't going into South Korea lmfao. India vs Pakistan is the only realistic thing you've brought up, and even that already popped off and quieted within 48 hours. Africa is a shithole in the Sahel and West Africa, the rest of the continent is doing just fine. In fact, we just had a Nigerian delegation I interacted with who were well put together and knew their stuff. You're just talking nonsense based on vibes. Stick to the market, if you're even good at it because you have no depth or understanding of defense that is pretty clear.

stbloc

If it makes you feel better I changed my portfolio from 10% international to 20%. I feel like with all the noise in Washington could possibly see another decent years overseas. I think China in particular will benefit the most from this as the EU could lean on them more for trade.

troublethemindseye

If Trump attacks Greenland the EU is going to dump all their us treasuries, kick American companies out of Europe, force all American troops out of Europe and close all American bases in Europe. China presumably will sell all their us treasuries to front run Europe. There would be a massive world wide depression and no asset class would be safe. The insane level of consequences makes me think that it won’t happen but even the dumbness of the threat is rattling the market. It actually happening is not priced in at all.

Aggravating_Path206

Or, Norway takes the Nobel Prize back from Maria Machado and asks Trump to return it, Trump refuses and invades Greenland, EU and NATO bans US and declares alliance with Russia, declares war with USA, everyone kicks off, Iran vs Israel, China vs Taiwan, North Korea vs South Korea, India vs Pakistan, whole Africa breaks into civil war. So yea calls.

TheteslaFanva

Gotta ask what country side you are proud of. Trump is a bafoon sure but EU leaders have in some cases willingly become energy dependent on Russia, have a major innovation crisis and demographic crisis, and have attempted the most failed mass immigration approach of any western country ever.

codecrodie

Banks DGAF about what some senile guy says...meanwhile the whole EU is mobilizing.

waliving

EU will negotiate with Trump, Trump will tweet about claiming more power over Greenland and how he negotiated the best deal with them, the world will move on and then Reddit will find something else to cry about in a month or two.

Swearwolfofwallst

Granted, no one is buying $8t in a quarter or a year but what would stop the EU from flooding the market at whatever volume the US does offer, undercutting the US tender price leading to a secondary market removing the US's ability to access debt funding? That's what I would do if I were driving a stake home.

PowerLawCeo

AkademikerPension exiting US Treasuries highlights a growing structural risk. With US debt exceeding $34T and annual interest payments crossing $1T, fiscal sustainability is no longer a theoretical debate. While $100M is a minor divestment, the shift in sentiment among sovereign-linked allocators is significant. If this starts a trend among EU funds, the Treasury liquidity premium will erode. We are moving from risk-free returns to return-free risks. Speed is the only hedge.

akritori

A serious question to all who live in the EU: looking back, has this union improved quality of life overall for you compared to when you were separate countries?

gocaps777

Good opinion. Let’s say a large number of EU pension fund withdraw from the U.S. stock market, where could they deploy the cash to?

yurnxt1

Because they are deeply, deeply intertwined in the EU economy and a massive sell off would absolutely destroy the EU economy.

rainman_104

The EU won't escalate but they will respond. The collective population of non USA NATO nations is 600m. That is a large force behind that 600m people. Whatever happens it'll be gross. Don't be too confident in the orange guy.

ImaginaryHospital306

The EU can’t even unite in a common front against Trump. Same thing we say when Trump threatened full withdrawal of Ukraine aid. Germany is basically refusing to confront Trump over the Greenland issue while France is acting tough. France has budget issues and wants Germany to pay for everything while they are also the largest EU funder of Ukraine by far. Germany is also completely beholden to US and Qatari natural gas now that they don’t have Nordstream. If they go into full blown recession they also risk the AfD party winning elections. This is the fatal flaw of the EU — a bunch of different countries with competing priorities. I believe Trump understands this.

WhiteDirty

The fact is pissing off Europe is the equivalent of calling your best friend a pussy so he steps up and does the impossible. I have spent some time living in europe and they have changed majorly in such a short amount of time. They are facing drastic change economically and culturally. They are heavily dependent on the US for defence as well as digital infrastructure. I feel like EU and UK lost a generation of youth to overseas jobs and then were replaced with immigrants and today they are lost. And it happened in less than 10-15 years. Americans used to travel there to experience this kind of cultural saturation that is now gone in many of the big cities. Many cities in the world are now this way. They lost their distinction and uniqueness. They don't know what or how to innovate and grow the kind of markets we have in the US. The level of bureaucracy and red tape make it difficult. I have heard this countless times. Go try and register a business there and you will see. I can register a business in the US in 15 minutes on the internet. What is happening now is in large part due to conflicts between American corporations and the EU lawmakers who have increasingly clamped down on free speech and attacked US tech. Most of these are just petty taxes aimed at US companies. These companies have been getting an increasingly year over year increase in taxes, fines and penalties since covid. The EU has already been pushing the US out of its economy via these silent taxes its not a suprise. They have their own politicians and economy they can do whatever they want. The EU has hundreds of product specific compliance requirements in order to sell in their markets. This can be good, and can be bad.... Its bad when they are clearly with bias targeting specific corporation. At least this is the perception. But it can also encourage europe to develop their own tech. Consider for a moment the world uses microsoft products... Everything that is happening has already been wrote in stone. This is just the world once again at a standstill, unbalanced. Fighting to control the next group of resources that will dictate the next 50 years. It's the calm before the storm, and yeah its terrifying. There is not enough power on earth to do what they claim to do. And they will do whatever it takes. The amount of gold left in the world is only 1/4 of what has already been extracted and yet demand is highest in history due to electronics. The world is preparing for WW3. Probably since covid. Whoever has the resources, gets the power grid, gets the tech gets domination. The east has a leg up in that they dont have to disaasemble a titan to pivot into this new tech. This is where the US is at a dissadvantage. And this is why shit is drastic and chaotic. The west has their balls in a vice with debt and lack of a real manufacturing base. People are drawing lines in the sand, getting resources in place. As NATO partners there are expectations and i think Europe is more interested in creating a multicultural utopia than any kind of military center. As such they are basically saying when shit hits the fan we wont do a damn thing about it and America will have to sweep in and save us. Ironically with Trump they want to increase military. Funny how that happens huh. Notice how all the peaceful people want war. Its almost like it was planned that way... Europe is locking and loading and it isnt to fight the US. People need to wake up. I think there is a panic to quickly update all of NATO. Trump is reminding the west they are fat and happy. When and if China makes a grab for Tawain the west will fall and China will become a fully integrated powerhouse. They will make it seem like a break up so that nobody questions why europe just increased military spending. Nobody is prepared for the war of AI. The west should be in a panic because if its a war of small electronic drones China will win on production capacity alone. Europe laughs but they will either run to China or the US, but they will not become the center of the free world. And without the US China will speed run the destruction of the EU.

Smart_Mention_3306

I am not worried about the EU dumping debt or tariffs. What is clear is that the search for alternative reserve currency has accelerated. When central banks start searching for reserve currency gold is the first thing they need. And in general, when smart and motivated ppl start searching for something, they may eventually find it. Trump is only the catalyst of process started many years ago.

captain_ahabb

I think the EU will slow-walk their economic retaliation in the hopes that Trump gets distracted or gives up.

captain_ahabb

It's not going to be that kind of shooting war. It's going to be economic retaliation. Imagine the hysteria here if Americans were banned from visiting the EU for even 90 days.

zambro1

I don’t think America can do much, even the government. you’re right that EU might be Netflix biggest hurdle

Kashan4122

All of this noise for something that will never happen. In the meantime, European defense contractors looking like a great investment. EU will be going its own path when it comes to defense.

Fancy-Pudding-4281

What would NATO and EU do without the US though? We are more than 50% of their defense… Monetarily and physically. If the cut the US off…. I think their “free healthcare” and taxes would change dramatically. But I’m kinda retarded. So idk, maybe they could economically survive without the US, but not militarily

nobertan

Will there be long term consequences with EU relations after he eventually chickens out? Most definitely. The US runs on international trade, so this is so SO incredibly stupid. They already had permission to have a military presence there, and with good relations would be able to expand there. Along with the mess they left after attempting (and abandoning) an underground base there. The idea of extracting Arctic minerals is as dumb as Elons space data centers.

pink_ego_box

Yeah cause BRICS and the EU will ever come back to buying US treasuries again to keep financing the next basket case y'all will put in the White House.

iMakeGOODinvestmemts

USA wanting to increase tarrif on China & EU wow.!!!!

Silver-Barracuda7834

Thanks for your service but I think your take is wild. I don’t think you understand history if you’re citing 9/11 as a black swan event. Really address who perpetrated 9/11 and you’ll understand some saudis and Egyptians were hired to suicide for 72 virgins and start a false flag to initiate the patriot act. CIA and equivalent Mossad determine the outcome of every geopolitical move we make. Trump is existing outside of this control. Mark my words he won’t take Greenland by forces. He’s playing chess on how to manipulate emotions in the EU to eventually seize control of a barren region that is the direct passage between an encumbering Russia and China. Who begged USA to occupy Greenland during ww2 because they surrendered to the axis powers. Thats Denmark. It’s been an asset for 150 years. It’s time.

MrRandom04

Collectively, the EU has a budget for defense ahead of China in 2024/25 and likely to grow much more. Furthermore, a lot of that money goes to the American MIC and economy rather than local companies. Hence, federalizing and investing in local companies means that very feasibly they can field at least Chinese level of military capability over the next few decades if they actually commit. Chinese level of military capability is near-peer in their local region.

Creative-Sherbet-584

A post from two years ago during Biden times: "The US curbstomps the EU. The US's military spending in 2023 was nearly 3x that of the EU (US $860 billion, EU $295 billion). This has been the case for decades. The US military is larger and far better equipped than the EU's militaries. The US has twice as many aircraft carriers as the EU countries put together. And the US starts off already having troops on the ground in Europe. The US would be able to start striking targets in the EU almost immediately and the EU would have zero ability to retaliate with strikes against the mainland US." Europe's capabilities to defend itself are vastly overstated. The need to defend itself... Idk questionable? No one has attacked Japan or many peaceful nations for a long time. Europe will start militarizing to an extent but it will take many decades to even approach something resembling an equivalent of the U.S. and by then the U.S. will likely have expanded. Ideally we can stop this nonsense but here we are.

Beginning-Luck-4026

I question the benefits of a large mic. Sure we have/had soft power but I would love to read a deep investigation on the benefits vs cost. EU and Asia will continue selling to us because the usa is the largest single consumer market (simple google search says we are 30% of global consumer spend). Might change in the future (eta china surpass usa in 2030).

Data_Over_Dogma

He thinks he’s using the American people to pay down the national debt, which is out of hand, to save billionaires from having to. Same reason why he wants REM in Greenland and oil in Venezuela. Bad planning and greed. They’ve somehow convinced themselves it’s a zero sum game and any action is excusable. While taking steps to alienate Canada, Japan and EU who are massive US bond holders and importers. He’s Nero with Dementia. It’s that simple

AccountOfMyAncestors

If the EU wants to decouple from U.S., why wouldn’t they be converting US treasuries into BTC and ETH? Ability to transact that is completely decoupled from the SWIFT network. ETH can replace the SWIFT network as the backend for cross border banking transactions

DiagCarFix

EU can’t even fix illegal immigration problem

Maximum-Magazine-333

America will put 5 soldiers in Greenland and the entire EU will withdraw

achim_bn

No one in Europe is going to buy Californian wine at the moment. Ok, we are now going to have more champagne breakfasts, as an obligation for every EU household. This is how we unite our countries! Alcohol is a chemical solution, so it fits!

Buggg-

I recommend Luxembourg. Already a financial center and limited ability to wrestle power or control if the EU gets shaky

Ok_Departure_5435

You cant compete with government subsidized companies and slave labor. Why do you think they've cornered the market for solar panels? Do you think people in the EU and USA can't fabricate a solar panel? Of course they can, but financially, they can't compete with a country who cares nothing about the environment so they have the most coal fired plants with no environmental controls, cheap labor, and in some cases Uighur slave labor and government subsidies designed to drive foreign competitors out of business.

slick2hold

A bully only understands strength. If the EU backs down and give san inch it will never end. They must stand strong and use that bazooka they claim to have. Just do it. It will take less than 4wks for cracks to form.

Scared-Signature-452

If EU, China, Asia and investors in general start dumping treasuries due to this geopolitical upheaval, anything is possible.

inconsistentsavant

Honestly, it would be interesting to see the EU stop enforcing IP for US tech. For the consumer it’d be amazing to have options

0DTEKing

China keeps dumping US treasuries, now EU will dump US equities No good time ahead

WinstonSalemSmith

EPOL Polish economy is catching up to the old EU.

Hot_Bus_5590

EU and china can just dump the US debt if it wants to and they have been openly threatening to do so in recent days

TheDickDog

Belgium makes sense as the generally accepted EU HQ.

Diddly_eyed_Dipshite

A good leader could absolutely work diplomacy and strategy to a point where he's against the EU on Greenland and fully with them on Poland/Baltics. However Trump is not that leader, and he's made it clear that he won't treat Russia as the threat it is. If Putin made the stupid move of invading Estonia tomorrow, I can all but guarantee that Trump would certainly use that as leverage to acquire Greenland.

NakedPatrick

Literally no idea how he can say something positive when he hasn’t spoken to the EU

New_avanti1000

And that is what people don't get. It's all economics. Why EU will take their time pushing back, why Trump will think twice before actually invading Greenland..people think it's easy to just react to something by retaliation - reality is so much more complex. Economics impacts directly for EVERYONE - rich and poor. Political interest may or may not directly impact you short term but if the market tanks, if there's a recession, if the dollar tanks, if businesses go up in flames, if the tariffs contribute to inflation rising even more.. etc. etc. That's real life. That's what govts cannot allow to happen no matter how tempting it is to tweak the annoyance that is Trump. You just cannot do whatever you want the way Trump does - of course we ALL hate him collectively at this point and want to make him hurt - but you can't do things the way he does and simply let emotions take over.

mauwz666

I still don’t think the big players wil follow.. if they do, it’s like everyone is trying to exit the emergency stairwell at the same time, which Will hurt so many big holders of these bonds. Think of it, EU and China making themself losse trillions by all trying to sell these bonds and bringing bond prices in a downward spiral. Still think it’s never going to happen.

Wowmuchrya

Just think, this morning the clowns at Citi downgraded EU stocks instead of US stocks. Actually a circus full of cucks and not just clownsZ

Lcc30

Few days ago was war with iran week before that was war with venezuela this week its "tarrif" war with EU. The sell off is the goal, more specifically lower fed funds rate.

atape_1

Basically he is saying EU people should stop investing into bonds and equity and start investing into the EU economy. And that is correct, but first an all EU central stock exchange needs to be made, that is the only way that will happen.

Straight-Annual8687

If Greenland happens and/or EU fold think about what that says about our attention span, that it's such that we think it will be done in about a week either way. It's kind of funny when you think about it. Agreed it's likely to be a dumb week no matter what - unless annoucement at Davos about a sweeping agreement for Greenland security, tariffs gone, some sort of 'win' of a trade deal......we witnessed similar goofiness throughout 2025. The regarded dip then the V.........de ja vu

giggy13

I agree for the American voter. I was more talking about on an international level. A military intervention against an european ally is a big red line for the EU, at least I hope so, and the consquences could be huge if they stand together (closing the US bases all around EU, Germany, Italy and so on, t-bonds liquidation, etc.)

2016KiaRio

I'm really doubtful that the dip has or will finish dipping anytime soon. Trump is extremely adamant that he won't back down from the Greenland goal. However, even if the EU folds, which they eventually will if Trump keeps at it, it's gonna take a while for them to "hand it over," whatever that even looks like. Feels like a full red week.

Strict-Lettuce8930

Probably because we’re the only thing stopping Russia and China from having there way with the EU.

Tupcek

EU has just announced a plan to introduce European payment system to counter Visa and Mastercard. Non EU companies can’t join.

darkhorn

> but the stock market might not react as badly as you expect. You forgot to put "/s". I am in EU. Previous day I found a really nice Nike jaket and I didn't buy just because of Trump. And today on lunch for drink I ordered ayran instead of Coca-Cola. I don't know how much peope are there like me but I really don't care. I lived under totalitarian regimes and this what I can do except voting.

darkhorn

I am in EU and I am thinking how much should I sell my American stocks.

colorblind-and

I have pretty much the same opinion. He is going to keep bringing this up every few months and probably extract some kind of concessions each time with the ultimate goal of being able to buy/cede Greenland. I'm willing to bet part of his plan is hoping he can get some of the Eastern EU countries to side with him to avoid losing US support in NATO and supplying weapons in the face of the Russian threat.

nateccs

have you been keeping up to date on world news? tariff retaliation for EU opposition of greenland annexation. thats why were dipping.

BlazinHotNachoCheese

Does anyone agree that buying into the INTC recovery is short-lived if EU recognizes that a purchase of an intel based PC is a support of taking over Greenland?

FormalCompetition118

I like VEA for more EU tilt

Sick0h

If he performs pole skiing maneuver on EU and Denmark leader simultaneously at Davos, think we hit new ATH?

Dave_TradeKing

Not true. Life quality is pretty good in the EU because of US protection.

leomeng

I was up 1.74% on portfolio. No puts. Mortgage rates don’t look to healthy. Curious if the EU will dump treasuries

Scary_Woodpecker_110

1000 Danish soldiers will be deployed. More EU forces will join them. He can take Greenland but we will surely get body bags coming home.

8fingerlouie

The economy is also more fragile than it first appears. Bonds are essentially loans, and if there is uncertainty about the US economy, that will result in higher interest rates on bonds, which will in turn increase the US debt faster, or impede the treasury in printing new money, or increase inflation. Selling even a relatively small amount of bonds could cause a snowball effect if there’s enough uncertainty in the market. That’s another reason any response from the EU in this regard will be carefully measured. Enough to send a signal, not enough to tip the scales. National treasuries play this game every day.

RedWulf2182

The stock market stopped caring long ago. The massive losses we’re seeing this week are from his threats of war with our allies and the loss of trade deals with the EU, one of our biggest trading partners.

ColCrockett

The U.S. is politically fucked up right now but I think people need to have some perspective on Europe. They are a declining bloc. Economically, demographically, they are declining relative to the rest of the world. The EU had a larger GDP than the U.S. in 2008 and now that U.S. has a 31 trillion GDP and the EU 22 trillion. They struggle to integrate foreigners into their cultures. They lack the political will for bold action. Academically and scientifically they underproduce as well. NASA, which people here always say is underfunded, has a yearly budget of 25 billion compared to 7 billion to the ESA. China is a different story. They’re hitting a demographic wall as well, by the end of the century their population will only be twice as large as the U.S. In the end mutual interests win out. What confuses rational people about Trump is that he doesn’t recognize mutual interests. The next contrite admin will normalize relations.

Emergency_Link7328

I'm buying European and Asian dips. If the EU stops buying US bonds, the US is toast. More so with the federal budget increases for the foreseeable future. AI bubble is stagnating too.

New_avanti1000

I agree - I categorically reject the notion that Trump will attack Greenland to take over by force. He may do a lot of other silly things of course. He'll play out the drama for as long as possible - he revels in this kind of attention because he's the star of the drama. He can inflict so much damage by just letting this rattle on of course but in terms of actually attacking Greenland? I don't think he will go that far. He is hoping that he will instill enough paranoia, fear and leverage the situation to gain the upper hand. Like the original tariffs - the only country that really pushed back was China not EU. Everyone was open to negotiating. He hopes I think, that he's playing his hand "well" enough to hope for more negotiations. I'm not sure he'll get there but I will say it may take awhile to exhaust all the possibilities thus a long drawn drama for all. The flip side of this is unfortunately (and he may be thinking this) is that while he is insane, others cannot afford to be just as insane. While EU et al will hold the line to a certain extent in punishing/retaliating for pushing forward with Greenland ownership, let's face it. By hurting the US, they hurt themselves 10fold as everything is interconnected. Trump does not care about the American people but other govt - they aren't as cold. So it's impossible for everything to truly "shut off" short-term. I think more likely, it nails the coffin shut for US foreign policy in any meaningful future beneficial partnerships with EU or any significant ally in the world.

viablehottake

With the EU and Canada moving to India and China, what’s the case for not panicking about long term US bonds?

trumpdiego

Look if we're being honest today is about... 1. Japan (50%) 2. Greenland / EU Tariff Threats (40%) 3. General overheating of a wish-washy economy (10%) barring Japan backpedaling with a cash bazooka, I think we got a few days of volatility left

throwa91

EU won't dump mass treasuries, it will crush them economically and financially. Trump won't invade either this is his shtick, say crazy stuff then talk or settle some kind of deal later. Plus its highly unlikely the US military would invade a nato ally

ShittyUsernane1222

\> EU-Inc standardizes corporate law and allows people to make companies within 48 hours The EU seems to have finally grasped their problems regarding start ups and brain drain and is speed running the solutions lmao. [https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1qi3ys6/von\_der\_leyen\_has\_just\_announced\_that\_euinc\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1qi3ys6/von_der_leyen_has_just_announced_that_euinc_and/)

RenaissanceWmn1

Last April we were talking about tariffs. This time we are talking about INVADING A NATO ALLY. The economic warfare levers the EU may be willing to pull aren’t even in the same league as liberation day.

antoine1246

No, a republican senator already said he will be removed from office if orange man would actually attempt a military invasion. I assume theyre already preparing article 25 now that EU, canada and UK are turning to south america, china and china respectively for new alliances.

Outrageous_West_1564

The EU isn't Venezuela. Warships in front of Greenland would let the stock market crash instantly in a way we haven't seen in the last 50 years. 

PayMyDividend

I personally definitely didn’t vote for this derelict. Made it a mission to vote against him the last 3 times. I couldn’t stand him then and even more so by the day. Trump 1.0 was bad enough. But this time around it’s even more dangerous and totally unhinged. I look at the news each day and am perpetually stupefied as to what is going on this time. It seems like a new low everyday. I quite literally don’t understand how he still has as much support as he does. And how any sane people around him haven’t had enough of the bullshit. At least you’re in the EU. I have to experience these morons first hand. Going on with this circus and cheering it on. And it’s been exhausting, disgusting, and infuriating.

Atactos

Trump is undermining strategic interests of the US like no other. 10 years from now the world order would be so different and thanks to Trump term, US will be an overly indebted country full of unresolved social problems and internal struggles while an rearmed Europe would be ready to finally navigate independently outside the US sphere of influence. The only reason why the EU was the yes man of USA for 80 years was the security guarantees, now that this is gone the leverage is gone. An EU bonds sell off at the levels China is doing the last decade will start pushing the dollar low and inflation through the roof. On china and the BRICKS is not even a discussion, this bloc will dominate, and the Trump era is pushing the rest of the world closer to them.

ZealousidealSector19

Google, the EU won't do anything to you. Just think you could force them to search using bing lolz

Outrageous_Tip_2133

I wish I was so sure. A lot of Asian and EU money invested in the US markets may leave here permanently. not saying we going to crash or anything but we may have a slow bleed. definitely not panic selling anything but not sure about buying either.

Zestyclose_Ad8420

plenty of LNG in the middle east and africa. add nuclear + renewables (cheap thanks to china) and batteries/electrification are gonna make it easier to take the hit and eventually will replace most of it. the next 5 years are gonna be hard no matter what for the EU, the 5 after that might be catastrophic for the US, republic ending (it wouldn't be the first time that a republic ends and another one takes its place)

IMKGI

I don't care about Denmark, slap all the tarrifs you want on that shithole of a country, but leave the rest of the EU allone. Your beef is with denmark, they're our mutual enemies, do with them whatever you want. Invade em, nuke em, i don't care, just leave the rest allone.

ProofByVerbosity

EU ETFs had a fantastic return in 2025. Better than the S&P500