EU

kaapooj

EU can't help themselves, regulation over everything Belgian Federal Police forgot to turn their VPN on - accidentally exposing their bot army that was promoting a mandatory data retention surveillance law within the EU's impact assessment https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/z4tDalBSmq

rmcandre

This highlights an ongoing regulatory challenge for Meta. The $12-14B estimate represents roughly 10-12% of Meta's annual revenue, though not all would disappear under enforcement. The EU's Digital Services Act gives regulators power to impose fines up to 6% of global revenue, making a €1B fine plausible but not catastrophic (Meta's 2023 revenue was ~$135B). The bigger concern is potential impacts to their advertising model if forced to implement stronger verification systems. This pattern mirrors previous regulatory cycles where Meta absorbs fines as a cost of doing business while adapting compliance measures gradually.

6541191

You might want to look at EURO STOXX indices ETFs which track companies from Eurozone countries specifically. SPDR EURO STOXX 50 ETF (FEZ) or iShares Core MSCI Eurozone ETF (HEZU) both focus on EU countries and exclude the UK. The Vanguard FTSE Europe ETF (VGK) is popular but does include UK stocks (about 20%), so it's not purely EU. The iShares MSCI Eurozone ETF (EZU) is probably the closest to what you're seeking - it's focused specifically on EU member states that use the Euro.

stef_eda

12 Billion earnings - 1 Billion fine. Meta net earnings: 11 Billiom EU net income: 1 Billion To me looks like a win-win deal.

O-to-shiba

And it doesn’t cost billions to capture and hoard data. Plus there’s a whole industry of data protection exactly for that. Do you think the EU GDPR came predicting companies would capture their data in the future? You do aggregations, anonymizations etc etc.

AlphaGoBravo

FFS was the EU blind with what was going for nearly a decade? WTF happened to their INTEL network? They should have formed a centralized EU military and weapons production. This is what happens when you put all your eggs in a 🤪 🍊🧺 And how do you think your software updates are gonna workout for those jets? Or satellite connections?

Quotama4

I hold all the big tech in QQQ. I don't need American banks, insurance consumer staples energy and production stocks if these dont outperform their EU counterparts by a lot. Tech is the only thing that outperforms in the US for the last so many years. Which means it now dominates the S&P500, I totally get that. S&P500 is however now far from the diversified mix it is made out to be. So QQQ that is what I am exposing myself to. And to diversify the mixI take the all those Banks, insurers, energy and production from the EU market. Since those boring stocks are not doing any better in the US. I can tune the amount I invest in tech and the amount I invest in more boring stuff. This way I take less currency risk than just holding S&P500. And most of the boring EU stocks are performing much better than Americans think. MSCI europe etf is +16% YTD. In EURO, not dollars, while the dollar moved 13% in the wrong direction for us EU folks.

Plexus84

EU recognizes Trump as russian

MasinaDeCalcul

# BBC: Hungary's Orban defies EU partners and meets Putin again in Moscow Going all-in with Russia.

MasinaDeCalcul

# Hungary's Orban defies EU partners and meets Putin again in Moscow Going all-in with Russia.

mks_csw

gimme that nice EU money to build another stadium in my hometown (Puskás Aréna is sick tho)

iMakeGOODinvestmemts

$GOOGL has pulled its EU antitrust complaint against $MSFT's Azure cloud after Brussels opened a DMA probe into Azure and AWS. Google says it still backs its claims about “anticompetitive cloud licensing practices,” but will now let the Commission’s DMA investigation run its course, per statements from Google and the EU regulator

doctad92

EU in 15 is first real signal right? We gonna have a global event?

ukindly_ad8153

Drip, drip, drip … takes forever for $ to grow exponentially in EU market. Where is the beautiful waterfall .. on the other side of town (USA) & let’s go make some big bucks!

kaapooj

EU countries reach breakthrough on chat-scanning law despite intense pushback The revised agreement makes voluntary scanning (e.g. Whatsapp, Signal) permanent under EU law. https://www.mpg.de/25788438/chat-control-eu-client-side-scanning -- close to be a done deal. especially looking forward to see how voluntary becomes "mandated", privacy in the EU soon dead

SnooHedgehogs5162

Dollar few % down doesn't mean a thing when Nasdaq is up 90% in 5 years. And Europeans can buy US stocks in EURO as well. No need to do EU-Dollar swap

CalebAfterDarks

Expansion to America is a big step. And scaling in EU as well. Heavy lifting to do that at the same time

Th1rt13n

Shell trying to reopen it again. Really, they fucked em over Plus EU (TTF) is going back towards really low 20s this summer, Asian LNG demand is in the gutters too. Still, I believe VG is going to become THE big one, just gonna take me really good time to see the position turn green lol

No_Aerie_2717

US LNG. SP got fucked up by tactical shorting from IPO. Future growth. Making long-term deals with different countries already. Expanding really fast (banks loaned money,not dilution). EU exports are increasing rapidly due upcoming Russian LNG ban. Trying to compete with Cheniere (ticker LNG). Huge possibility that it will compete easily. Making revenue already. Not making loss.

Ordinary_Anxiety_133

Not to mention wallstreet isn't playing the EU market at that time and they drive a lot of the volume

mulletstation

Most people have multiple apps, Lyft and uber are the same service and there's a million other apps in Asia and the EU

ronoudgenoeg

> Chat control It failed to pass 3 times now but they're working on a 4th attempt AGAIN. We love democracy in the EU. If the people don't want it, quietly change the wording slightly and then try again over and over until it passes.

__redruM

I googled “facebook EU fine”, and nothing close came up. Just include a link. It’s your post, click edit up top and cut-n-paste a link in. > utm_source=chatgpt.com Lol

__redruM

I googled “facebook EU fine”, and nothing close came up. Just include a link, certainly you still could edit one in. But apparently you couldn’t be bothered to cut-n-paste.

Plus_Seesaw2023

If the best counter-argument is “haha the EU,” then the point stands: Meta profited massively from fraudulent ads, and regulators ; whether in the EU or the U.S. ; exist precisely for situations like this. Innovation doesn’t mean letting companies make billions off scams.

Regardium-Leviosa

Up 0.76 Euros today. Three times the average yearly salary in the EU without even lifting a finger. Going to open a restaurant with these gains

Nietzscher

If you want to stay strictly in the EU something like the iShares Core EURO STOXX 50 UCITS ETF (IE00B53L3W79) is probably your best bet. Personally, I also like the STOXX Europe 600 (LU0328475792) because you get 200 Large-, 200 Mid-, and 200 Smallcaps in one basket. However, there you'll have a sizeable chunk of UK and Swiss companies in the mix as well. So, if you want to stay strictly EU it is either the STOXX 50 or you're willing to look into newer and significantly smaller ETFs like WisdomTree Eurozone Quality Dividend Growth UCITS ETF (IE00BZ56TQ67). The crux with the STOXX 50 is, it isn't a index for the largest companies of the European Union, but the largest companies of the Eurozone. Also, because it only tracks the biggest 50 companies there usually are only companies from 7-10 different countries represented at any given time (France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, Spain + some Nordic and Belgian stocks that shuffle in and out of the index depending on market cap).

Significant-Role-754

this wont stop anything. EU needs to hit harder

asdafari14

The EU uses a shotgun to regulate though. Some good and some bad. Some unpopular ones: Chat control, cookies, forced migration and asylum pacts, very tough AML rules affecting normal people, ban on high-power vaccum cleaners, ban on some light bulbs etc.

sleepyj58

And we (in the US) we are better off for it. Our political system is laughably broken and favors corporate interests over actual citizens' interests, so it's nice to see at least the EU pushing back on unchecked enshittification since we won't.

Quotama4

So I hold the big tech stocks in qqq. I am not discounting you shouldn't hold them at all. But this combo is a better return than just S&P500 with less currency risk. From a EU investor standpoint it makes sense.

narullow

This is not true. This applies only because EU stocks got hit by covid harder and took longer to recover. It is not ideal comparison but equal weight should suffice here because it ould largely ignore Mag7 premium: [https://www.justetf.com/en/asset-comparisons/index-comparisons/sp500-equal-weight-vs-stoxx-europe-600](https://www.justetf.com/en/asset-comparisons/index-comparisons/sp500-equal-weight-vs-stoxx-europe-600) The time window of outperformance is between 2021-2025 and vast majority of that stemps from the fact that US recovered from covid in 2020 already whereas EU stocks took up until 2021 to grow to its previous levels. US was up 20% on EU then wwhich completely erases EU being up 15% on US in last 4 years. Not to mention that last 6 months US already outperforms so it is not even true anymore.

narullow

European companies are exposed to EU's GDP. Because this is what really stands behind them and makes them European. Do you think that company that makes vast majority of their money outside of Europe will stay as "European" long term? Lower GDP means less investments, less funding, less valuable knowledge economy. Everything. This creates competetive disadvantage which means tthat those european companies will be eated alive. Not just by US companies btw.

Kresnik1412

Don‘t you think that‘s smart? Everytime US invests in EU stocks it will be sold when stock market opens the day After. That way european investors and gamblers are happy to Sell the higher rated volume, when you are sleeping. Am I wrong?

fattytuna96

Oh no the EU! bastions of innovation

kaapooj

invest in EU markets

IndubitablyNerdy

Europeans citizens and institutions also invest a lot in USA financial markets, If i remember well I checked some papers about market capitalization a few months ago and the estimate was that that European investors hold an equivalent of roughly 60% of the capitalization of all EU+UK exchanges combined in USA stocks. This, combined with the fact that the USA is the EU largest trade partner by far (and that we also have a ton of usa trasuries in our financial institutions balace sheets) mean that our markets are very much affected by what happens in Wall Street even without considering the political influence that Washington has on the West.

shatureg

Once you take into account population growth and exchange rate fluctuations, EU GDP per capita has actually grown faster than the US and you don't even have to exclude the magnificent 7 for that to be true. Given that the GOP wants to devalue the USD and crack down on immigration, we will see significant changes in nominal GDP between the US and EU in the coming years and a lot of the memes of the last few years will become obsolete.

michal939

EU had a real gdp growth of 1.4%/yr since q1 2009 vs 2.2%/yr for the US. Sure, its worse, but I wouldn't call it stagnant compared to the US (also a lot of that difference comes from the post-covid recovery which was much better good in the US, probably fueled by insane deficit spending)

Quotama4

Always the Bashing that EU stocks are irrelevant. I hold US tech through QQQ and a EU ETF ( which has little tech ) and actually I do pretty well this way. The EU etf grows pretty stable without a lot of tech / AI exposure outside of ASML. Accumulating ETF so any dividends get reinvested. Not doing bad at all. Yes its not as high growth, but consistent returns year on year. No overvalued stocks you really have to worry about and less worry for me about exchange rate risk. And no hedging is not worth it over long term 20 year plus. Take out magnificent 7 from S&P500 and performance would be worse than the EU ETF. So yes I take the qqq and other US stocks for higher growth more risk and keep a stable foundation of EU stocks. Its not terrible in returns. Without the EU stocks, return this year would be lower.

Chalupa_89

The US is saved by innovation. The EU isn't.

NewOil7911

European companies in the stock market are mainly global companies. They make money in the US, Europe, Asia. You're commenting as if European companies were only exposed to EU's GDP evolution. That was true....in 1970.

NewOil7911

I mean yeah, 7 companies in the same sector. 7 companies out of *500.* Means that US pharma does worse than EU pharma, and so on, and so on

Chumbag_love

EU stocks seem to have has lower P/E ratios and higher dividends.

SignificanceGlum75

there are way more regulations in the EU than in the US when it comes to moving money and assets

TechTuna1200

I think it has more to do with the US driving a lot of the price movements in EU stocks and foreign markets due to its sheer economic size. e.g., outside the EU markets, Hang Seng moved 0.07% today.

Commercial_Deer_7114

I thought you were talking about the EU, because heck yeah they need some accountability

kaapooj

basically but at least not regarded enough to invest in EU markets

kaapooj

and no one will ever even those that live in the EU and that speaks volume about how useless the EU is.

kaapooj

nobody invests in the EU

KateCrash87

EU markets are open.. is everybody sleeping op ATAI? [https://finance.yahoo.com/news/h-c-wainwright-maintains-buy-133916105.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/h-c-wainwright-maintains-buy-133916105.html)

MarketCrache

What's the bet Trump and the EU have a falling out about this. I feel like there's a cavernous divide developing between the 2 sides and US tech giants will be the ping pong balls in the middle. Especially since the EU basically has no tech giants but is short on moolah.

Pretty_Ad_7885

dude thinks it is 10 000 to 1 lol Go to any major city in EU and see for yourself

Fun-Stress3337

Only 20 more years of average EU growth and we might be where the US was in 2014

EffectivePoet4572

zuck will just call daddy trump to tell the EU to eff off

13jfncjai31

I have no clue got gotta do your own digging about best options in EU/Ireland sorry pal :/ I also wouldn’t follow what I say just because I put a lot of fancy numbers and sound confident either. I’m just some dude, take what I say as a kernel and explore the topics yourself and see if you come to the same conclusion

digital_bubblebath

Im really thankful for the EU sometimes in standing up to the gross practices of these companies. The really ought to be larger than the profit they made from scams.

tristanryan

Doesn’t matter EU will continue to regulate itself into irrelevance.

ImprovementMain7109

The headline number sounds huge, but from an investor POV I’d want to know: 12–14B over what time frame, and relative to ~150B+ in annual revenue. If that’s cumulative over several years, it’s morally awful but financially a rounding error. A 1B EU fine is like a bad quarter of FX noise. Hurts optics, not the balance sheet. The real risk isn’t the one-off fine, it’s if regulators force structural changes to the ad stack: stricter KYC for advertisers, pre-vetting financial promos, liability for scam losses, etc. That hits operating margin on compliance costs and potentially reduces high-CTR “too good to be true” ads that currently monetize well. There’s also a game-theory angle: right now Meta internalizes the revenue and externalizes the damage to users. Regulation is trying to flip the payoff matrix so that looking the other way on scams becomes unprofitable. If that shift actually bites (recurring fines, ad bans, forced refunds) then you get a multiple de-rating, not because of the past 12–14B, but because the future monetization of the long tail of advertisers gets capped.

asdafari14

You know more than 99% of people and everyone that will ever be involved in this from the EU side.

KeithHelm

The EU wants their cut (or 8% tip?) of that infraction lol

Original_Two9716

Fuck EU. -- European

runmeupmate

the americans aren't going to allow the EU to punish and american company like that

Pic889

The weird thing about Turkey's current situation is that some Turks are visiting Greece to buy groceries: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-09/turks-drive-hours-to-buy-cheese-in-greece-and-escape-inflation This means groceries are more expensive in Turkey than Greece (despite Greece having rather high VAT taxes), despite Turkey's net minimum wage being the equivalent of 500 euros. I guess this is what "quantitative tightening" after a post-money-printing binge looks like, and the EU is going to get a taste of it in the coming years if they keep printing money to bailout countries like France (by buying French bonds) and spending on defense without trimming fat state pensions and the bloated welfare state (since those two were enabled by reduced defense spending post-1991, you can't have those and defense).

EducationCultural736

> Seems like a risk with taking. That's the point. EU is not trying to deter them with this fine, they're trying to take a cut of the profit. The last thing they want is for Meta to stop generating revenue from fraudulent ads.

EducationCultural736

It's really just a tax...EU wants a share of it.

Spins13

If in EU we put half as much effort in innovating than regulating, half our problems would be gone

resilient2

I have XAR, and bought EUAD and NATO to get some EU defense exposure. I like Rolls Royce too (RYCEY).

Local_Serve_3969

Listen americucks. You wonder why you're so much behind EU. It's because u have these holidays like Thanksgiving in the middle of the week and close everything, including stock market.

BeatTheMarket30

You can move to other EU country to avoid paying capital gains tax.

rym1469

New record low sales reported in EU for October, it's obvious that it goes up. Are you new to this?

re-thc

Chinese tech are predominately in China because it is 1 of the largest markets. US tech is just the same. You're just hand picking companies and calling it however you like. That's not how it works. I can follow and don't even need to name specific companies. Who owns most of the solar, battery, display panel, 5G and electric car global industry? China. When you talk about "China" it's just a few names you know. That doesn't even close to represent China. There are likely lots of companies you've never even hard of making it big already. If you got into the Pop Mart growth you'd have been rich. Labubu everywhere. That's not tech but then depends how you count PDD and Meituan really. US and EU do try hard to sanction China but outside of that in places like Africa etc China has been dominating.

Europeanroadbycar

Morning morning wake up US, we are bored as heck like always with the EU market

Pretty_Ad_7885

To be honest i am starting to feel bad for US people and west countries in general. I am from Balkan and we were considered to be poor by EU standards let alone US standards. But when i look what the average citizen has in US and lets say Germany, boooooy are you guys poor and fucked lol. Average home ownership in my country is 80%., salaries are rising every your by 20+% per year (to be honest it is going to EU average and it will stop but still) And all i can see that the goverment in the west countries will print as much as possible to keep assets prices high and inflation will boom again. Eventually my country will also get fucked but in the mean time i enjoy what is given

Ok-Individual-8880

I like this stock. EU is buying FemBloc, FDA approval it should move in Benelux/Spain. There is some insider trading that looks positive - granted, not as high as I would like to see, beat earnings, next report is 3.26.26 and if they hit the target this will pop. Laidlaw gave it a target of $5.78 - tading at a buck. Could be a winner.

PolloConTeriyaki

It's tariff related. They're based out of the EU and the current administration doesn't look too kindly on anything that's not 100% American.

FeverTreeCloud

It’s better to be jobless in EU

Crazy_Donkies

Probably. Few negative impacts to the stock market if they're being replaced by AI. Company productivity is increasing. Calls. /s To be clear, I'm not proud of this, but it's a fact. The EU has been suffering from this and their market is up too.

Heidruns_Herdsman

Pute will not be signing anything. People believing 🥭 latest 'peace plan' is anything other than moronic bullshit to distract from the usual accusations are idiots. Z has to play along so that he doesn't get accused of being uncooperative and ungrateful. So they are saying they are keen to negotiate even though they know it will go nowhere, because russia will not accept anything except surrender. The value of European defence companies like Rheinmetal plummeted, but this is also totally idiotic. Even if there is a ceasefire that means russia can rebuild and will be a greater threat to Europe in the future. A deal that russia wants will be terrible for both Ukraine and EU. Trust in the US to defend Europe is already gone. The EU agreed today on closer alignment of military industry with Ukraine. So buy European defence companies while they are at a discount.

barelyreadsenglish

Tesla said that the Dutch regulator RDW had "committed to granting" FSD approval "in February 2026." In a response, RDW said that the agency had set goals with Tesla for February — but that it's not yet clear if Tesla will meet them. RDW's rebuffing of Tesla's enthusiasm is just another hurdle in Tesla's winding road to EU approval for its FSD self-driving tech.

AntiOriginalUsername

EU Tesla Vehicle sales down 50% yoy in October and the stock is up 7% this week because Elon mentioned AI chips. 💀 shit is pure comedy.

YouDoNotBanMe

Ukraine's surrender is EU and USA failure.

kaapooj

EU and regulation a marriage made in heaven. and what happened to parenting? acting after a decade of evidence

Clear_Anything1232

EU close to banning social media for U16s Not good for meta

GneissFrog

So the breaking news is that a US official claims that Ukraine has agreed to the terms of the peace deal... but does Ukraine (and the EU) know they've agreed to a peace deal?

muradinner

Just globally diversify, and you won't have to worry about the periods where Europe or other continents outperform the US. We've seen Japan as the superstar, UK, EU, Canada, but still mostly, the US as the superstars for interesting over certain periods. What has lead over the long long term, even ahead of US, has been globally diversified investing.

Ok_Cry7572

How to avoid US & EU mass surveillance? Buy a Huawei phone with Harmony OS. China will get your data. They don't share with the US & EU

weightedslanket

Ha, we know what Bulgaria is mate. Check the EU personal finance sub and you might get some more specific recommendations. Good job thinking about this so young.

actias_selene

preparing to be bailed out by the "US" public if AI goes bust. Do you think the public of EU, India, China, Japan etc. will pay for it?

Mnm0602

EU top 7 is basically a who’s who of participating in the US growth opportunities.

bizilux

100% correct. As a European, looking at what is happening in the USA... It's shockingly alarming and they are speedrunning nazi germany timeline. It's pointless to look at past USA history. It's literally not the same county anymore. And if you guys get a competent president next, it will still take decades to revert all the bullshit laws from Trump. I doubt the USA will ever change for the better unless you have a civil war or more likely another great depression, where for the next 60 years republicans didn't control all branches. Now they do again and you are heading for another one. Until then, elections will be rigged from now on. The hell would sooner freeze over rather than republicans give up control again. Not to mention, he is shit for economy. My 3d printing toys business in EU is at least 66% down directly because of that pedo. Anyways, rant over. Fuck this timeline. Also war in ukraine/eu. For the past 3 and a half years already, Fcking hell. We are so lucky that Ukrainians are not corrupt drunkards like ruzzians.

Ok-Buy-9777

Betting on Europe is not betting against US, I like to eat both cakes cause US got alot of great companies and so does EU

tachyonvelocity

Cheniere was the leader at the right time, extreme spike in natural gas and LNG prices after a supply shock from Ukraine War. EU LNG prices (TTF) have crashed as EU invested away from natural gas. LNG companies like Cheniere, benefit from the SPREAD between US Henry Hub and global natural gas prices.

Tim_Apple_938

Na that would have been bullish too. If they stopped Apple payment that’s $20B more in revenue instantly (Remember that defaults got banned in EU five years ago and nothing happened , everyone just selected G then moved on with their day) It was the uncertainty that was holding it down

Baelthor_Septus

Efficiency of solar energy depends on world location, season, and requires a lot of real estate. Wind turbines are pure garbage. They take tons of land to deliver low energy, they decay and parts often must be replaced. In EU, due to a lot of regulations you just can't have them in most places (nobody wants to have giant wind turbines casting shadow on their yard). Also, none of these solutions are "mobile" enough to be quickly deployed let's say for military purposes. Nuclear is not where it should be yet, but I believe it's only a matter of time before it becomes the main source of energy in a lot of industries.

Alternative-Guava392

You're wrong if you think European state-owned medical infrastructure isn't going to spend on NVO products for their needs. Europe saves European markets. It happens in the automobile sector. It happens in defense. It happens in public transit. It happens in communications. It'll happen soon. I've already seen NVO products in pharmacies in the EU. What hospitals buy is so much more than what pharmacies sell to consumers.

mindziusas

I dont even think EU is rational. It just sucks in innovation and new products. It is overregulated and big companies control the narrative by saying "its best for consumer". I live in this stupid continent and I see it slowly dying. Bag and vine production is all there is lol

mindziusas

Nah its good that all the moneyz are concentrated in one market. If EU was competent it would be less liquid for US which would suck for gamblers in WSB

LurkerFailsLurking

Looking back at pre-Trump performance isn't useful if the thesis you're evaluating is that Trump has radically altered the landscape. Nobody is suggesting that the EU was outperforming the US prior to this year. What's being suggested is that Trump's policies have been so extreme and so disastrous that it requires us to reevaluate everything *from this point forward*.

__redruM

On the 5 year time scale US, sans Mag7, still doubles EU. The YTD is different, but just allocate 20% to international and be done.