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snaynay

Fucking hell friend, but this is eye-opening. You are so totally isolated and misinformed about the rest of the world from the warped US media optics. Venezuela. A higher number people supported him there than your country supports Trump. Yet you just went into another country, abducted their leader, then hold him in the US till he has a delayed poxy trial and has lost all political power, even if he gets released. It's one thing to get rid of the bad eggs, it's another to just empower Russia's legitimacy into annexing Ukrainian territory for other similarly batshit excuses. Might have something to do with all that oil. Russia is economically struggling in a war with a historically very poor, non-EU, non-NATO European country that was conditionally demilitarised and denuclearised in the fall of the Soviet Union (after the US and USSR's Cold War) by the US (+UK) and Russia in exchange for independence from the USSR. They then wanted more economic involvement with the EU and discussions on NATO (both the US economic and militaristic hegemon). One of their guarantors attacked them for this, the other bitched about the cost of wars in Europe, emboldened the aggressor, attempted to humiliate a wartime president, *extort them for minerals*, tell them to concede the land and spent most of their time just trying to exit any responsibility. The EU (or the US) entering Ukraine is dragging all of NATO and potentially other colonial allies into a war against a country whose only real threat to Europe is an immense nuclear arsenal and an autocrat. The troops sent to Greenland were to take part in a military game, something that happens every year. Symbolic at best. US declined to take part this year, surprising no-one. Russia and China are the US's propaganda boogeymen to keep you all on your toes and let you funnel in some much of your tax dollars into the military complex. Pinned as existential threats to your existence as the hegemon, the delusional paranoia does not exist outside the US. They aren't trying to take Greenland. Doing so will initiate a response from all of NATO. If the US is scary enough for them, the second scariest opposition on the planet is NATO sans-US. The Dane's aren't stopping the US from stationing as many troops as they want there, but they only really peaked at about 150 in recent decades, because it's not fucking necessary. Surprising no-one, this is once again about wanting oil and minerals without those pesky Danes shooting American corporations down for their constant environmental violations. Stop being a fucking idiot and listening to the rhetoric of the man who can't even remember the name of the country that he wants to take the second he starts going off script and rambling to an international political convention like it's a Trump rally, or sends demented letters to the fucking Norwegian president about taking Greenland because the independent Nobel Committee didn't award him a Nobel Peace Prize (largely ignored because he has ICE acting like the fucking Nazi's did in Germany before WWII). Too many Americans forget how much their country's strength prospers from it being the centre of an international economic system derived from Bretton Woods, yet are oblivious to how much they are destroying the faith in that system to those who make it the "global" currency that it is.

Leading_Tourist9814

to be honest, in 2028, EU companies will be so far ahead of US it won't even be funny.

Beneficial_Map6129

I would immediately try to flee somewhere more stable like EU or East Asia

professeurwenger

Farmers will set Paris on fire because they don't like the newest EU trade deal.

ReasonableBrother448

Putin actually did similar thing with Ukraine. Instead of keeping the business relations as intact as possible towards EU, they did the opposite. They tried to weaponize the trading relations. It was how Russians saw the situation, complete inversion of what it actually was and how it would play out. I fear the USA is in the similar state, being pandered and looked after by the "West" for so long it suddenly feels like an entitlement, like waterwall just flowing endlessly as natural resource. I think Trump, assuming he does any estimations is very incorrect to estimate how much economic pain EU is willing to go trough if necessary.

RisingPhil

Under this president, no-one can trust the US to keep its end of the bargain. Not the EU, but not Japan and other countries either.

MrDilbert

Hey, Canadians, are you up for some joint Canada-EU military exercises?

Pure-Ice5527

I mean… he could stop alienating every single ally and maybe this will stop happening. EU will be next to lean towards China as the US becomes less and less friendly and continue to threaten

saltexx

Aren't we past Trump and the US? We will move on with the new world order, without the US. "Oh, but they are so powerful bla bla". Yes - the US has nukes to destroy the entire world 18 times over, the EU can only destroy the entire world 3 times. Let that sink in.

pomskygirl

Ugg, ya, I still recall, in vivid detail, Starmer throwing Canada under the bus while meeting with Trump at the White House. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of Carney being right (referring to his recent speech at Davos) and other nations, such as the EU and UK, being receptive to what Carney was telling them. Very receptive actually, and considering our current world circumstances (eg ongoing threats to annex Greenland and Canada, sending troops to Greenland, ongoing tariffs threats, the rapid demise of the rule of law in the US), that might actually be enough for everyone to start moving their asses in regards to dealing with our new reality. In my view, Carney may very well be the most qualified person in the world to be offering advice on how middle powers should move forward from here. And if things do start shifting that way, I don’t believe it would be in the UK‘s interests to not attempt to keep up with that, at least some degree. Also, I would find it a bit difficult to believe the events of the past week haven’t woken Starmer up a bit. In any event, I think he’ll be under more pressure to adjust his behaviour towards Canada and the US past going forward. I think Canada also has the will of the people in the UK on our side far more than the US does, and that shouldn’t be discounted.

adepttius

it was exactly that... I just saw another angle video and one of those pieces of shit was even clapping. As someone from EU, who saw war as a kid and army service, guys this is not a joke any more. Just look at that dude parading around in Sturmführer cosplay. I hope you remove that idiot from office and elect Kelly.

brucekeller

Seems like they might narc on us to the EU or China or somethin'.

ImprovementLow1474

Mark my words. By the end of his term Trump will lose canada and the EU to China's sphere of influence. His foreign policy has been nothing short of catastrophic.

SoftwareOdd8846

If Canada becomes part of EU, I would really love to see this!!! Heavy in US Stocks but Trump is ruining the economy and future money will flow somewhere else…

MakeOSUGreatAgain63

I think realistically, The U.S. will have such a strong political counter reaction to this extreme authoritarianism,… that we finally get a all encompassing, multiple election lasting, blue wave We will end up like EU and Canada, and our markets will be fucked Real Estate will be the biggest outperformer

thewimsey

> It will take a decade or more. Lol. Hitler started a war in Europe that killed 80 million people, and within 10 years from the end of the war, Germany had rearmed, joined Nato, and helped found the progenitor of the EU.

JG98

EU sure, but UK? I don't trust Starmer at all, he can get fucked. For anyone out of the loop as to why: [https://ihrp.law.utoronto.ca/appeasement-our-time-how-keir-starmer-making-mockery-commonwealth-and-endangering-canada](https://ihrp.law.utoronto.ca/appeasement-our-time-how-keir-starmer-making-mockery-commonwealth-and-endangering-canada)

Colonist25

you argument is what exactly? there's some unique things in the us - yes. will there be copy cats and alternatives in europe - also yes. palantir is a data collection firm, actually nothing they do is unique other than they have their hooks in so many processes. nvidia is a unique company only in the sense that they have a design lead. ten years, nvidia may not have that position. just like Xerox, IBM, AMD, etc in the day. if you look around hard enough, china has in many areas already beaten the US when it comes to research, innovation, etc. and the EU has some unqiue things of it's own This isn't even about Trump at this point. He's been elected twice, the US is either getting into Gilead territory or becoming a full blown oligarchy under Thiel & Musk. Europe (and the world) simply cannot trust that the US will come to it's senses any time soon. Hence the world is moving on from the post WW2 order.

GillesJule

Trump thinks the EU will use Canada as a warfront that spans a border too long and wild for him to defend.

binksee

Stronger Together Canada \- EU

RockinMadRiot

He's doing what they did to the EU while back when they tried to make a deal. US never wants it's allies to rise higher than it.

Delicious-Plastic-44

No, it’s not. And it’s finding out. The EU sent Trump home with his tail between his legs with a threat of economic retaliation. That’s not empire. That’s the emperor has no clothes

caj_account

UK has nowhere to go after leaving EU. They thought they could sit on daddy’s lap. Didn’t turn out well. 

No_Criticism_5861

You really think UK and EU will fight the Americans to the death on behalf of Canadian sovereign?  I have sincere doubts

No_Criticism_5861

I have sincere doubts that either the UK or EU will fight to the death in Canada against the Americans to ensure our country doesnt get annexed.  I really hope im wrong. If France or UK would sell us some nukes, we could vaporize Manhattan and DC if they try

pomskygirl

Have you missed what’s happened in the past week? I think it’s safe to say the EU and UK are on board.

Fit-Implement-8151

It's kinda already started. When he threatened the EU the other day on Greenland the market barely dipped. Normally this would be a big deal

No_Criticism_5861

I *really* hope so, because EU and UK were dead silent the last time the rapist-in-chief and musk wouldnt stfu about Canada

MethylphenidateMan

The trillion dollar play is to find some EU tech startup with a fundamentally more sound approach to developing AI than the LLM route and is ready to metabolize the European funds diverted from US assets. If I find it, I'll let you know.

OverallElephant7576

You obviously weren’t listening to what leaders were saying in Davos… well minus the US team. The US is linked to the Saudis due to the petrodollar The EU exists to better its people economically by increasing their presence in the global economic scales Chinas economic decisions are based on the long term success of China, not profits for it companies at the expense of the people India is part of BRICS which is a built to be a direct competitor to the to the US

TraditionalMango58

Lol what cognitive dissonance. You realized the only reason that Canada is dealing with China is balecause Trump constantly threatening Canada for the last year right? Just like he has threatened Greenland recently. Canada isn't the only one making deals with China. EU recently did. And soon the UK will too (PM visiting next week).

GamerGuyAlly

I think its worth discussion. American's will not believe this, but you have to look at the facts. Some big European pension funds are selling, the retail investors have not only started moving funds out of the US but are boycotting the actual products. Trump is strangling the US economy. There's threats of the EU pulling the nuclear finance bomb on the US if they continue to threaten the EU and NATO. That's before you get into the fact that the entire of the US stock is propped up by an AI bubble. If you want any indicator of how strong the anti-US sentiment is right now, just look at the German FA tabling the idea of boycott the World Cup. I can't stress enough that Europeans boycotting a world cup would take a LOT to even discuss. I'm not suggesting people en masse dump US stock tomorrow. But I think we're way past the point of laughing off the idea that its a riskier proposition than its ever been. Just put it all in the S&P and it will definitely go up over X amount of years I think is about to stop being true. If the US follow the trajectory they are on, they will lose all the things that allows the S&P to be so strong. Attacking your allies is a monumentally idiotic idea. If you attack your allies, what do you think your enemies are doing. Then we also have to factor they're a bad day away from a civil war, another ICE shooting today. How many deaths before they fight back? The US is too risky for me, I moved to the EU/UK a while ago. Ethically I also think its the right thing to do, I don't want my money funding the US.

elefontius

Brexit does matter for the FTSE. Look at the performance of the STOXX Europe 600 vs. FTSE. STOXX has consistently outperformed FTSE. The UK has seen consistent capital flight from the UK markets to the EU markets due to uncertainty about the outlook and regulation. Stock markets are about access to capital - companies are and have moved their listing from the FTSE to the NYSE to get higher valuations. Also, many of the conversations at Davos about strengthening the EU capital market are already underway with their Savings and Investments Union. This would create a unified capital market / financial market across the EU and compete with the US markets. [https://curvo.eu/backtest/en/compare-indexes/ftse-100-vs-stoxx-europe-600?currency=eur](https://curvo.eu/backtest/en/compare-indexes/ftse-100-vs-stoxx-europe-600?currency=eur) and financial market across the EU and compete with [https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/uk-market-exodus-companies-that-have-moved-away-london-listing-2025-09-25/](https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/uk-market-exodus-companies-that-have-moved-away-london-listing-2025-09-25/) [https://finance.ec.europa.eu/regulation-and-supervision/savings-and-investments-union\_en](https://finance.ec.europa.eu/regulation-and-supervision/savings-and-investments-union_en)

MoisesCanelo

Stupid question but i dont believe the EU politicians can stop european funds from dropping US assets? At least not without changing the law and a lengthy process

Doub13D

The EU halted working on its trade deal with Mercosur the same day it halted working on its trade deal with the US. Not happening by their own actions.

elefontius

You do know the UK isn't a part of the EU - post Brexit, that economy has shrunk and will continue to underperform most major markets. If you are interested in diversifying, look at the DAXX or another EU index.

MethylphenidateMan

US stocks are a bad investment because they're overinflated for three major reasons: a) they still carry a hefty "stable, responsible democracy with ironclad rule of law" premium that is clearly no longer warranted. b) they're further propped up by retirement savings being funneled into the stock market at a larger scale than any other country and we're in the middle of the history's richest generation entering mass retirement. c) I don't think that anyone is even denying anymore that we're in an AI bubble, even the people who want you to put money into the bubble are arguing that they're the ones who'll be left standing when the bubble pops the way Amazon made it through dot com bubble, not that there is no bubble. As for where else, I'm currently like 40% physical gold, 10% gold mining stocks, and the rest is European defense and extraction industry stocks, some EU consumer staples and some hand-picked EU video game company stocks because that's where I feel most confident trusting my own take on the question whether this is a good company I'm looking at.

Far_Insurance2721

Carney's speech at Davos was super great. Can we lease him from Canadians to lead EU? :-)

astromouse2024

EU calling bessents bluff

Doub13D

Principles don’t mean anything on the global stage lmao… The US isn’t closely linked to Saudi Arabia because of “principles.” It’s because of oil and the wealth derived from the oil industry. The EU wasn’t built on “principles.” It was built on a desire to reduce trade barriers, and then later on to establish a common market between member nations. The ECSC and EEC only existed to improve trade and integrate economic activity. China doesn’t invest around the globe because of “principles.” It does so to deepen trade ties and to secure access to the necessary infrastructure and extractive industries they need to sustain their export focused manufacturing economy. India doesn’t play the US and China off of each other based on “principles.” It does that because it wants to see who it can benefit the most off of economically. “Principles” don’t play a role whatsoever in the global economy. That is why the US and China are still each other’s #1 trading partners…

cassmanio

At this point, Canada should just suspend the north American trade deal and join the EU or Brics

Hungry-Brain-3287

Canada and China will double down and call his bluff, just like the EU did this week.

Dry_Marsupial9634

I wish we could invite Canada to the EU. We have so many common values. And Canada is such an amazing nation and they need a strong reliable partner. I am from sweden btw.

LifeIsAnAdventure4

Canada should join the EU. We actually respect our trade partners here and we got Trump to backtrack in a week by selling some bonds and sending a few soldiers to chill in Greenland.

Exact-Writing-8561

Thing is we should’ve been doing this a long time ago. It’s en route now, but it’s like preparing for winter after seeking the first snowflake fall from the sky. NATO was supposed to be our agreement with dealing with threats but even that was barely being maintained and the cracks only got exposed when russia decided to press. Trump had to force several countries to increase their nato contribution. It just seems like everything we’ve done so far has been nothing more than just for display. We’re united under the EU by display, while each country only cares about themselves, we’re protected under NATO by display, while each country barely contributed

StomachNecessary5512

Canada should align its trade deals with the EU. Just like Carney said in his powerfull speach in Davos

SpongEWorTHiebOb

As a US citizen I totally understand. There are plenty of investment opportunities around the globe for you to substitute. Overseas markets outperformed SPY last year. Also money talks and the impact on US markets may lead to a pivot by this admin. But the bribes and crypto schemes funded by overseas governments and companies to the clown will also need to be cut off otherwise he won’t feel it. I think at some point the UN or the EU, Britain, Canada, Latin America will have to sanction the US and this family of criminals by seizing their assets overseas before this admin will pivot. The US regime has to be treated like N Korea or Iran.

Exact-Writing-8561

Exactly, this explains it so well. EU have had their head in the sand thinking they’ll be americas best friend forever and have made no moves at all to prep themselves for detachment with the US. It’s the reason we’re getting bitched so hard right now. They’re only just starting to realise they barely have any leverage or strategic strong ground

Garbanino

> I think EU people need to toughen up and get real with themselves. Which means what, realizing the USA isn't really any better ally than China?

Dry-Syrup-882

The world is moving away from us hegemony and into spheres of influence, which is why the current us admin is so focused on th western hemisphere. And the EU fucked themselves right out of a being a major player with their inane decision making post Cold War. Only themselves to blame. It’ll be the us china and Russia divvying up their spheres with the rest of the nations as their underlings

Markus_zockt

Canada has signed 13 trade and security agreements on four continents in the past six months. Among other things, they have joined the EU's "Security Action for Europe" programme. Among other things, this enables members to jointly procure military equipment through low-interest loans. I think Canada can do without trade with the US better than the US can. So once again, it's a toothless threat.

Exact-Writing-8561

Americas got its own problems for sure but every other nation has seemed to be smart enough to prime themselves in a position to face those problems. Whereas EU did nothing but band together and think that would be enough to deal with our problems. Ever since trumps been in office we’ve had our pants pulled down on the world stage and everyone’s watching slowly stop stroking each others cocks

Crazy_Donkies

The worst part of a Trump tweet on the weekend is all the new bears-as-experts posts. This place will be unbearable for the next 36 hours until they realize they were wrong again. Sources: Just the past few weeks: Iran, Cube, Greenland, EU, Venezuela, back to Iran. Before this, Burry, empty ports, Mexican druglords, oil tankers, hindenburg, yields, inversions, unwinding, OAI. dumping treasuries. Meanwhile market shrugs it off. I swear the fixation is crazy. Let me guess, this is the one!

zuhnj

> US equities oh lord you are so wrong. Most EU Pensions are not in US EQUITIES. To take an average over all countries: Mostly 50% are in Bonds - European Bonds to be precise. You are correct with the fact that the stocks europe is invested in are US stocks, but they are MAX 1/4 of the total funds. There are some Fonds which invest heavily into the stock market, norway for example, but they are not the norm. Europe is diverse. You must be american to not understand this. I would even bet that you won't be able to pinpoint norway on a map. You are so smart because you read a single headline about a topic so you truely believe that you understand the whole topic. Atleast i am able to say: yes i don't understand this topic on his whole but here is my take.

Exact-Writing-8561

As a europoor I have to admit Europe is the most pathetic failure of a nation it’s insane. The EU is a circle of countries who each think they’re the best member in the group and secretly despise the other members. They have no strong allies outside of their circle and have been dependant on US partnership for so long they’re finally starting to realise how fucked they might be. We jerk each other off under the guise of unity with NATO and the EU, but we’re really just the nerds in the cafeteria who sit together to not get bullied by everyone else

BurntToast764

At this point, the EU, China, UK, Canada and other major economies need to temporarily reduce trade barriers for 4 years until trump is out of office.

jaycrips

So like…what if the EU is like “we got you Canada,” and offers them a massively good trade deal also? So good that they can weather these nonsense tariffs—we know they will be short term, anyway. What if the world actually calls Trump on his nonsense bluffs?

Ok-Independence210

Oh China has been loving the BS drama. Idiot Trump is just pushing the EU, Canada and whoever else closer to China.

CptBlackBeard08

Trump is weakest and whiniest president in American history. Him and his cult of victimhood are a joke on the world stage. No one is scared of Trump or his maga goofballs. Canada laughs at them. Go ahead and tariff whatever you want Trump. Canada and the EU have just as much leverage to make America hurt, plus we all know Trump will chicken out anyways.

Doub13D

No… Overland trade will always be more cost-effective than by sea considering the distances. Canada is economically dependent on the US as a market for its goods. Sending those goods to China or the EU is not going to be more profitable for them.

smoothvibe

Canada should quickly join EU.

XDingoX83

To this day I have no idea why western countries keep making deals with China. They are not just “another country”. Their explicit stated goal is to replace the United States and the EU as the world hegemon. The west isn’t perfect but do we really want China to be the world police?  The west keeps making deals with China that undermine their place in the world and strengthen China’s. 

whodowhodo

Just to let you know biggest EU and Swiss banks still recommend to stay invested in US markets. 

kaapooj

my regarded take for the next 3m is that EU will introduce a social media ban for all <16

samanthasgramma

Canadian here. I think what is happening is exactly what I see in my country. We were TOO MUCH the USA lite. One president/administration rolls in, and we're being threatened so we realize that most of our eggs in that basket isn't such a great idea. The next administration might choose to play super nice with us, but we've realized that we need to be more autonomous if our economy is so tightly linked to one basket. But the Americans are losing their minds about us turning to China (who have been divesting Treasury bonds slowly the last ten years, as I understand it). I honestly did a dive to see why Canada is supposed to hate China. Hm. Election interference. Like the USA doesn't get involved? Seriously? Scott Bessent , just the other day, was talking in support of Alberta separation. Keep your nose out of our business. Besides. We know all about it. We can take steps to minimize. In fact, most of our soured relationship with China started because of the USA. We captured someone you asked us to. In retaliation, China captured and held our two michaels. It got a little ugly. Industrial espionage and bootlegging? No different than any other country. Electronic spying? My husband and son are computer techies. I have a cell phone, we all have different devices. Alexa stays entirely unplugged when we don't want her. We've known about it for decades, and just guard when we feel necessary. China is not our enemy. So let's do business. EU has finally figured out that diversity is how you survive. And if divesting Treasury bonds helps, then it will. Just as Canada is looking out for itself. One administration blew shit up. The other countries are rethinking how to survive.

MaleCowShitDetector

Unimaginabely overvalued and overhyped, they are big, but they are just manufacturers, not much of innovation. I'm saying this as a Czech, who considered buying this company, but after deeper investigation - it's really profitting only because of Ukraine. Another thing is that the IPO was structured as an exit for the CEO to capitalize on the hype surrounding EU arms. Once that well dries up it's not gonna look good.

Michael_Bhurewala

bruh your shit coin keeps dumping, EU's investments in US economy is like $10T+ JFL if we pull all our asset, you are fucked, 'fo shure'

Left-Slice9456

Good let EU deal with Russia. It's their war not the US.

Left-Slice9456

Europe is already engaged in a war with Russia invading Ukraine. But in your mind its the US waging war against Europe? Ok let's let the EU deal with their own wars. It's a massive expense for the US.

Much_Candle_942

I'd like to know the EU equivalent for Palantir and Nvidia please 

2004_Theo

As long as European taxpayers keep paying for those arms & ammo, my guess is that valuations will stay high. From AI: France has previously moved to block European Union purchases of 155 mm artillery shells from non-EU nations, including South Korea, preferring to boost its own defense industry production While South Korea has significant manufacturing capacity, France has prioritized European-produced ammunition to support Ukraine and replenish stockpiles.  * **Production & Policy:** France is scaling up its own 155 mm shell production at facilities like ["Forges de Tarbes"](https://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-south-korea-weapons-are-fueling-war-in-ukraine-2024-6), as demand has soared following the war in Ukraine. * **Import Restrictions:** France and Greece previously blocked plans to buy 155 mm shells from South Korea, emphasizing the need to strengthen the European defense technological and industrial base.

Colonist25

actively trying - no. Derisking by limiting exposure to the US? yes. The US is not a stable partner at this point - so why would we buy their debt? or anything else really. Every time the orange toddler doesn't get his way it's threats and bullying. He's another putin in the making. so the wheels are turning. \- invest in EU, not america -- this is what the pension funds, govs are doing. \- buy defense products in EU, not america. \- switch from US tech firms to EU equivalents \- .... it's slow. but deliberate.

IJustSignedUpToUp

Nyet, comradski. Krasnov has shown the EU they can no longer count on American arms supplies, will create own.

Pure-Relation3902

They keep rising not only because of Ukraine, but also because people realise the US might cut ties with the EU (and it's happening now as well with tariffs and Greenland) so Europe needs to have its own defense and other industries.

Pure-Relation3902

Yeah because they had a massive capital raise of 700 mil. But I think it's going back up to where it left, especially because the EU has to have its own sattelite constellation. And Spacex is going public this year as well so...

furrysalesman69

From my understanding, when bonds mature you get money from the government, basically you loan them money and you wait some years for it to mature and then get money back. This information from the EU dumping out bonds makes me think that it’s pulling the money it loaned out to US originally. It’s basically in my mind saying ”we want our money back.” If not enough time has passed, I believe the bond growth is severely culled. I could be wrong though.

TopTippityTop

The world, and in large part the EU has taken massive amounts of debt denominated in USD. As some countries leave the dollar system, those that stay find themselves with less dollar liquidity with which to pay their loans. This puts massive upward pressure on the dollar. For the world to move away from the USD they need to refinance their debts collectively into something else... But there isn't a great viable alternative yet. In addition, I believe we are about to see gold and silver do quite the dip. 

El_Diablo_Feo

Typical American arrogance honestly. Someone didn't pay attention to what Carney said at Davos. The old order is gone.... Now the middle powers must unite. People expect the EU will sit idly by. But being old countries they have more restraint, patience, and experience than to beat their chest like the fucking toddler monkey that Trump and his sycophants are. We'll see where things end up, but an America first under this regime will be an America alone...

DougDHead4044

Nah. They agreed in Davos not to invade 🇬🇱. EU cancelled the 93B plan to pull money out of the US. It's all over the news channels !! Closed call for the US... I have to say. Waiting for the orange man to open his mouth again, most likely 🇮🇷 next. Enjoy ur wknd everyone!!

froz3nt

Shell of what? European union has barely existed for 35 years. USA has more foreign born immigrants than EU. Dont believe everything media tells you. Taxes are, on average, 20% higher than in the US. But we do get free education, free healthcare and lots of other social benefits that are worth it. Courting china? If anything we are courting US. And we gotta stop that. Compared to china, US is diminishing in innovation too.

Brilliant-Weekend-68

The words of a poor person. Let go of tech and join the vast richness of EU defense stocks!!

Timeoff98

There is no conflict EU is vassal of USA and they will do as they are being told.

i-love-small-tits-47

> Well they will have to. No they won’t lol. They haven’t had to at all this entire time and there still buyers. > Paying 3.5% interest is certainly not enough for EU investors when at the same time USD is losing 10.5% value over EUR in the last year. I don’t think you guys understand bond markets. Explain why foreign central banks held shit tons of treasuries when those rates were like 2% for a decade?

Forsaken_Suit_6327

lol. LMAO even. Here’s what the article should say: Despite selling off 10 billion usd worth of treasury bonds, the rate remains unchanged. Also, 10 billion usd is a drop in the ocean. EU is so deluded thinking this is pushback. For every seller, there’s 2 buyers waiting for the opportunity.

Wealth-Best

Well they will have to. Paying 3.5% interest is certainly not enough for EU investors when at the same time USD is losing 10.5% value over EUR in the last year. Keeping your money in US bonds or bills is a safe way for Europeans to lose money. 

sirtoby1337

Uhm europe been there for the US in every fking war you have started and yet you somehow question it??? What? Why wudnt we send troops to greenland? Its EU territory… is ukraine EU territory? Is it NATO?? No…. Barely any EU countries buy russian oil anymore, and those that do is a very limited amount until 27-28

Medical-Shoulder-337

China is going to do what Chinas going to do China wont get a foothold in NA. the battleground will be SA & EU. If Europe throws in with China, The US will walk from NATO and the EU is dependent on Nat Gas. Russia will dick them over and they cant restart their nukes up fast enough. All of a sudden Ukraine will get memory holed.

Abject-Classic9766

It is negative statement in literal terms but in my opinion it is more symbolic instead of reality right now because foreign US treasury holders are at an all time high and the EU was a major buyer leading that. Diversification has been a trend for awhile but a "sell America" trend has yet to materialize like it's been claimed. Things can change but the data hasn't reflected the mass outflow sensation. At the end of the day money talks and until there are safer better alternatives, US bond market is still king.

Abject-Classic9766

Yields rising to clear an auction isn’t a default. Higher yield creates more bidders actually. The real reasons that lead to a default are: Political/technical default or inflation/credibility erosion. You can argue that's happening right now i'll give you that, we'll see how it plays out. But the data shows buyers for US treasuries are still showing up and EU and others arn't dumping to the extent you think they are. The headlines are more symbolic than anything, foreign US treasury holdings are at an all time high and the EU was largely responsible for that.

voxpopper

Unless you're going with an Eastern EU escort if as a guy you go see the Melnia movie you should pack in your chips and become a castrato singer.

Abject-Classic9766

Valid and fair way to look at it. Foreign held treasury holdings are about 42% of US money supply. That doesn't mean foreigners literally own 42% of US dollars or it can disappear overnight though. The real risk in my opinion is the marginal demand vs supply. If that trends the wrong way we start to get in trouble but right now, like this post points out, we're still sitting on all time high foreign treasury holdings and the EU was just recently a huge buyer. We will see how this plays out.

PracticalAnywhere225

I'm glad I caught a piece of that INTC rug pull. Other than the Trump EU tariff renegging on Wednesday, INTC was the play of the week.

Winterough

Why would America re-evaluate the security partnership with EU and NATO? Any sane actor is going to say that the US is safer with these partners than not, that’s why Trump tucked tail and folded on Greenland. The iron dome will never get built and certainly not in Trumps lifetime he basically made sure of that in the last two weeks.

Abject-Classic9766

South American people were celebrating in Venezuela after our operation. I think South America is more aligned with us than you think. I don't get your point about the European people, where is this energy in their own backyard with russia? Are they still buying russian oil and funding their war? I think EU people need to toughen up and get real with themselves. America is an EU ally and partner but we are starting to re-evaluate that. We've been there for them but I think a lot of Americans are wondering if you'll be there for us. The hysterics and theatrics this week sure didn't help that. Do you think sending your troops to Greenland was a good response when you guys don't even do that with Ukraine? Puffing your chest at us, really? Like I said EU needs to get real.

Abject-Classic9766

I think the media/headlines are doing their thing right now to keep us scared and uncertain but the numbers don't lie. You can argue this is a slow process that has been playing out for awhile now but the data doesn't yet show the mass dumping and outflows the headlines this week make it seem like. In fact it's the opposite, EU is a huge buyer. Things can change I agree with you. I'll be closely watching it play out.

TargetDreams

What ones have been good for you (UK/EU stocks) might play them for a bit

You_Will_Fail1

Gold at 5000 and silver at 100 are a clear sign that world has lost its fate in trumps usa. Lets not forget trump treatened a war on EU if EU diesnt give him a big chunk of its territory.

Realistic_Ease731

This is the same careless, cavalier thinking that caused Bessent to be the only hedge fund manager to lose his fund's $s during one of the largest surges in market value in history. Yes, Demark's investment is relatively small. But, backing out of U.S. assets sends a clear signal of no confidence and defiance to the rest of the World. Besides, his capricious, thoughtless comments amount to unmerited arrogance and are insulting to not only Denmark, who stood by us on 9/11 and in Afghanistan, but to our other EU allies. Down right stupid.

LegitimateShameHands

So EU is worthless?

haze_from_deadlock

One is EU and one is Australian