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mikehamp

so everyone will leave Netherlands, great policy..EU has tons of zero capital gains countries why would anyone with capital stay in Netherlands?

AdImmediate9569

That could be said about dozens of countries that USA and EU don’t consider enemies. What makes china different?

Right-Mousse-7781

Given that law spreads to all EU countries. How will that then affect the market? Will everyone like sell on 31st of Dec just to have cash for their taxes? And that would trigger a massive 30%? drawdown each year when big institutional buyers would absorb all the liquidity buying the discounted stocks?

Rock_or_Rol

I’m amazed NVIDIA is barely moving. Their earnings and guidance next week will be freaking huge. EU is probably going to give it a boost too…

Dull_Suggestion_1682

Can anyone explain why the Dutch government have chosen to go this route when their budget deficit is bellow the EU average and about half that of the US? Is there another angle to this story?

AnonymousLoner1

> And the EU is much looser on restrictions that can have a negative effect on individuals The stronger unions and worker rights in Europe that you types always complain about say otherwise, so keep deflecting.

Sea_Cucumber_69_

Europe isnt a country and the continents stock market is a quarter the size of America's market cap. And the EU is much looser on restrictions that can have a negative effect on individuals, and really only looks for ways to tax its citizens.

ricincali

Sell those calls. It isn’t cheap at $75. It isn’t like the “clues” aren’t there. You use the platform and know it is AI, heavily skewed leftist disinformation, loaded with DNC basement dweller hit teams and bot farms, ineffective ads fed to very few real people, fake accounts with hidden post histories are rampant, EU censorship on US users and more. You KNOW this is a ponzi.

Competitive_Ride

Where is all the money Japan, Korea, and EU promised to give mango to invest. 😡

stiveooo

Lower dollar makes money rotate to Japan EU and Korea. And it did. 

izCS

The only real market session is asia session. EU and US are both fraud and fake.

Gollomor

And I bet you make a lot of money, in the EU nobody makes over a 100k (less than 0.5%) in the US almost 18% make 100k or more a year. In the EU way more people with a regular fulltime income have to pay half of their income.

twitterfluechtling

I hope their EU business will tank. Business in the US will probably depend on next elections, but I doubt it will increase much? Could be I'm too optimistic, though.

corndog_messiah

EU banned red days

DMT1703

Seem like nearly all eu market indicies is rising today. So far my "woke" investment still rising high enough to ignore. With the new "Make with EU/Make in EU" deal it might exceling this investment.

kaapooj

the sub is very weird it is also openly racist and agressive towards non-EU Europe

extrak12

I saw some post in the IBRX subreddit about this meaning its approved in EU. This just means the document exists, not that its been approved in any way

AcceptableElkie

Everyone agree's the US is better to live in, if you got money, and EU is better to live in if you dont have money. The trade is. the US pays better, but life objcetively is just worse till you reach a certain income. Its the opposite way in EU. its better if you're poor, till a certain income, then it becomes the same. FIRE is way, way easier to accomplish in the states. But you loose work life balance.

a_fitz586

Ah actually not 100% sure now hahah. Seeing a bunch of back and forth on stocktwits regarding the EU approval, having a hard time fully verifying. My bad amigos🤷🏼‍♂️

Miserable-Pilot8841

There isn’t any. Stockwitz is raving about EU approval but there’s 0 news to support that. It is trending #1 though

kaapooj

ty canada too I am very conflicted on this topic, what I see ok X is not pretty but obviously e.g. EU is across the board pushing for curbs on certain rights and more surveillance

kaapooj

bearish on meta, rddt, snap germany discussing an opt-out model for algorithmic reccomandations germany, spain, uk. france, india discussing social media bans for teens intensified EU probes around Meta, X

Richou

this could work only if they manage to make chinese manufacturers fuck off via political bullshit or otherwise which is not unlikely in the US but unlikely for the EU at least when it comes to RAM and SSDs , GPUs is a different story since nvidia is the consumer GPU market (AMD and Intel are rounding errors) and i assume existing third party manufacturers for Nvidia GPUs have standing contracts that dictate whose VRAM to use and cant just pivot to made in china

SavingsDimensions74

If you think the US is going to get favourable trade deals with this administration, I’ve a bridge to sell you. It’s not just about Canada. Or Greenland. Or the EU. Or about dismissing NATO (ISAF) allies fighting and dying in Afghanistan (and the Brits did some fucking hard core fighting in Helmand, moreso than the yanks). It’s a culmination of nations that tried to bend the knee and it didn’t work. Now, the US will pay for its crass and dismissive words and actions. In no current world will the US get even close to the deals they already had. They can’t - because the vast majority of America’s allies now hate them and it will be extremely difficult, domestically, to try to sell any US/<whatever ally> to their domestic population. The US has squandered, undone and frivolously thrown away 80 years of expensive good will. To get a worse deal. This administration is so far beyond moronic it’s hard to fathom.

GneissFrog

he's spamming social media with endorsements at the moment, but how long before he throws his next tantrum about Canada, China, and the EU getting along so well without him?

tropicalia84

Last thing bulls wanted was a gap up - seen it once seen it a thousand times, EU going to be green af and we’ll open up flat. If there’s going to be a reversal it will come from a red open.

Mario-X777

But we already have Starlink. EU and some big countries will launch their alternative, but basically that is it. Once you launch satelites, there is only maybe 10 new launches per year required to keep up the system. Same with satellites, governments will fund launching maybe 50 for various reasons and that is it

1sailingaway

Depends on the state, similar to the EU and each country. My state, Massachusetts, vs Netherlands is 0.5yrs less for life expectancy and healthy lifespan is the same. Purchasing power is much higher in Massachusetts. You are correct, we do work harder and more hours. We do like our big houses, cars, boats, vacation homes, expensive hobbies, gear for each season, etc.

Comfortable_Oil6642

So many news articles about US and EU spending more on drones this weekend. Bullish $ONDS.

crisco000

I’m good on the deindustrialization of this country. Nothing the dems are offering and nothing the EU is offering brings jobs back. Just a continued drip of offshoring until there’s no manufacturing left.

Lopsided_Parfait7127

Spoken like someone who doesn't know anything about banking - have you not seen SEPA? As a payment integrator whose job is connecting to different payment systems, the EU payment system is leaps and bounds ahead with actual consistent addressing across the EU and works fantastically. The difference between that and the absolute garbage salad hodgepodge that is the American payment system is night and day. It's why visa/mastercard are required in the US. Even interac in canada works better than the american payment systems.

Wild_Height_901

Perhaps. But I am glad canada is getting out of its usual complacency. Time to open up trade to more countries. Lift some tariffs. Life interprovincial trade restrictions and start working on more domestically. Canada for far too long has leaned heavily on the US and the EU/UK. The only reason we could afford universal Healthcare.

AllenSmithee59

My portfolio consists of $106,575 invested in two stocks: Immunitybio (IBRX) and Micron (MU), with 73% in IBRX and 27% in MU. Why? There are really only three companies producing memory at the scale needed by AI datacenters, and Micron is one of them. They recently shifted their focus to producing memory for AI, foregoing production for consumers. I've made money already and expect to make more as the price reaches $400-$500. I expect IBRX to rocket from $6 to $24 or more if one or more of the following catalysts occur: * EU EMA approval for its anti-cancer drug Aptivka, expected as soon as this week * a positive earnings report next month that shows increased revenue, increased Saudi Arabian investment, or both * approval from the US FDA to market Aptivka for a second type of bladder cancer

Pvt_Twinkietoes

Well. Anthropics can move their operations to anywhere outside EU.

chevalier_92

EU market was on for me. Stagnation was the name of the game thus tomorrow ... a blood bath,

everything_is_polys

Oh, Imy bad, I think I see now. Yea, for SpaceX, I’ve no clue. It is an all-in-one company now so perhaps anticipation of the robots? They look to be behind the curve on that though. Maybe absorbing what’s left of NASA? Musk has the gov by the short hairs so the contracts would basically be his. I don’t see a future with the Grok since they got cut off, or for twitter dince EU is pushing data sovereignty. Could be launch since the bottleneck is really bad, but they’d have to share that path with RocketLab and sovereign agencies like ISRO once those are in full swing. I suppose they’ll still try to go after some of the same things AST is. In ways, they’re fundamentally different though. I never really understood why there was even an attempt to do D2D in the first place when Starlink as broadband service was already perfectly fine and has plenty of room expansion. D2D is a stupid distraction. It’s not like people love Comcast so seems like easy pickings. Heck, maybe through SpaceX, Starlink will pivot and actually go after that market

Competitive-Tea-6141

It's to come to an agreement on bridging EU rules and CPTPP rules (especially around rules of origin). Recall that CPTPP was originally supposed to be TPP under Obama but then in his first term, Trump pulled out. At first everyone assumed it was dead, but the remaining partners struck a new deal with TPP. The UK also joined CPTPP last year

alloutofchewingum

I don't think it's a very good idea actually. Czech has gone from socialism to the highest concentration of wealth in the EU in 30 years. It's basically because the tax system fucks workers and rewards investors. I mean it's cool if you have money obviously.

GainHaunting5680

Try being broke in the US compared to being broke in the EU and get back to me

Organic-Lie4759

Summah y'all are looking at EU markets , and it shows

DrummerCompetitive20

Why a Ban is Unlikely ​While Meta has occasionally "threatened" to leave the EU due to data transfer laws, both sides have too much to lose: ​Economic Impact: Meta’s advertising platform is critical for millions of European small businesses. ​Compliance over Exit: Meta has historically chosen to cave to pressure (like the 2026 ad-tracking changes) rather than lose access to its second-largest market. ​Legal Protections: In February 2026, the Court of Justice of the EU (CJEU) ruled that Meta has a faster legal route to challenge EU privacy rulings, giving the company more leverage to fight back in court rather than just walking away.

drapper3

Pragmatic comment, EU could get much closer to US landscape for investors without losing the social protection if they ever manage to create a uniform EU capital market and manage waste of govt budgets (as an example in Germany they pay billions per year for infrastructure maintenance way too often, immigration is also costing bn of taxpayer money). Not getting into minimizing government corrupt since this is a global status that will not change).

pinprick58

The EU is set for a record loss of 16,500 high net worth people this year. Soon it will be like California where those that can afford to leave and those that can't afford to will have to pick up the tab.

Stocks_N_Bondage

That's a funny statement, are you in the EU? Tell me about your 2 months of annual holiday....

curious_skeptic

Yeah, OP is conflating one country with the whole EU, and acting like this unratified bill is actually law.

Exciting_couple77

Your paying for all the universal Healthcare and education etc. Americans dont realize the actual cost of these things. Like gas is taxed to the point that its on average 8.00 usd per gallon and people bitch when its over 3 00 in most of America. Not to mention everything OP said or everything else thats insanely over taxed in the EU. For context Im aN American and ive spent 6 1/2 years total living in Europe in my life time plus I just spent 3 weeks and visited 5 countries including the Netherlands last December.

Top-Local-7482

It is another way of thinking about money, EU don't value money the same way as USA, in EU government tend to make the wealth gap btw the richest and the poorest as small as possible. So the society is more equalitarian for all. To go further EU should put a Tobin tax in place too.

twitterfluechtling

Bullshit. 1. States have budgets, no state can afford to just ignore a huge reduction of tax revenue. This is an issue with the Netherlands previous tax system, not the welfare state. 2. Looking at wealth distribution and tax collection, we still have a system where the rich get richer while lower incomes get poorer. The problem is not preventing that, i.e. not taxing the rich enough. (That assessment is not related to the current tax law changes mentioned in this article, but neither was your comment.) 3. Looking at GDP to debt (https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/GG_DEBT_GDP@GDD/CAN/FRA/DEU/ITA/JPN/GBR/USA), it seems the USA is much worse off than the EU countries.

piszczel

I'm European btw The only thing EU does is regulate

Whatevs56

Shipments leaving EU or entering EU?

mneymaker

$ZIM +32.7% on German EU open. WTF i 've never been that lucky. HALT incoming on US Tuesday open? 13% S.I. with 5 days to cover https://preview.redd.it/bgw6cplnktjg1.png?width=761&format=png&auto=webp&s=dfd6280060037a32b11584d8cbdbf3c30c3304b0

NotMe357

Some stock can be trade on EU market like for example, search for MSFT + German stock and use € to $ then you can see the price in dollars.

piszczel

Isn't that, all of them. EU doesn't make anything 

asdafari14

> capitalism has shifted away from rewarding people who generate real value (jobs, innovations, etc) to people who generate profit (MBS, buy company and squeeze value, etc). Maybe in the case of P/E but you don't think SpaceX, Microsoft, Nvidia, whole tech and finance scene have created well paying jobs? Those are the reason so many want to work in the US, because those jobs in the US pay 5-10x more than anywhere else like Canada or EU.

SuicideRabbit

For shipments outside of EU

arschgeige99

In other countries in the EU, Germany and Romania are in my mind because I watch very often they have spiked some taxes and cut a lot of spending, I think they‘re preparing for a gaping hole in the budget…

kaapooj

guys EU will per july 1st 2026 introduce a new tax €3 per category of for shipments <€150 e.g. package with 1 t-shirt, 1 pen would cost +€6

blorg

> You will have full access to your banking and brokerages because it's still tied to you as a U.S. citizen even when you live overseas. This very much depends on the broker. Some will allow US expat clients but many, probably most, will not. Some (like Interactive Brokers) will deal with people in almost any country in the world; others (like Schwab) will deal with people in a specific list of countries and not otherwise. There may also be other limitations. For example people resident outside the US cannot buy US mutual funds. This is a US-side restriction. If they move to Spain, they will no longer be able to buy ETFs either, as they don't come with a [KID (Key Information Document)](https://finance.ec.europa.eu/consumer-finance-and-payments/retail-financial-services/key-information-documents-packaged-retail-and-insurance-based-investment-products-priips_en) which is required by EU securities regulations.

HumongousShard

And yet, no tax at all (like what Luxemburg is doing) is legal under EU law ?

Gollomor

I am from the EU

Fun-Read7746

Why are they doing this? Isn't netherlands one of the least deficit countries in Europe? I feel like this will have a ripple effect all over EU if it's passed

HomoAndAlsoSapiens

It isn't an EU law and has a more complicated history than you understand. ChatGPT is free by the way.

daytrader987654321

I follow VKTX very closely and I’m bullish on their products. That being said, their CEO is a liability. He thinks his company should go for 20Bn and has allegedly turned down offers from Lilly in 2024 and Pfizer in 2025. He needs to accept 10Bn. Otherwise Structure and Kailera Therapeutics will be acquired first and Viking won’t be able to make it alone without massive dilution and only getting low single digit % of the US market. They don’t even have money for EU trials which they never even mentioned.

HomoAndAlsoSapiens

It's not an EU law. ChatGPT is free by the way.

HomoAndAlsoSapiens

It's not an EU law.

Aggravating-Dig783

Well this not new and explains why EU has 10x fewer startups and no unicorns to speak of. Taxing stock and options grants guarantees brains will move to the US.

Aromatic-Teacher-717

I would mock the average return of the EU market vs the American one, but... The dollar has lost a lot of value since last year.

Blue_winged_yoshi

I mean nothing online corroborates that salary level. Don’t know that guys experience or whatnot, but it’s just not what anywhere else says and would be stupid to offer a salary that low for a consultant cos they can work anywhere in the EU or Switzerland. Basically if something online seems off double check it, especially if it confirms your worldview, cos that’s the misinformation you’re most likely to fall for. https://www.salaryexpert.com/salary/job/anesthesiologist/germany

Gorblonzo

It's not something that's ok. Its a compromise solution to a budget deficit brought about because it was discovered that the current system of taxation in thr NL doesn't comply with EU law.  The response to this should be discussed in that context, but it never would be on this US centric subreddit because you guys can't understand anything more complicated than "that way bad, this way good".

punter112

Widespread financial illiteracy. Strong real estate/home owner lobby. Cognitive dissonance when it comes to risk taking: on one hand you shouldn't invest/take risk because "what it goes down?" but then also those blood thirsty capitalists investing resources in risky ventures have it too good so we have to tax them! Old EU population in a nutshell.

Prisma1986

Not really, if you work for the EU or other organisations like UN, NATO, Europol etc. you are not paying any tax on income or investments. So you need to be in this exclusive class of people. All the rest are the poor/plebs.

tsap007

Naturally it varies by country within the EU and UK, but the overall comparison stands. This is pretty well documented. The capacity with both diagnostic imaging machines and cancer specialists is less in the EU, with some countries lagging more than others. The # of diagnostic imaging machines is 86 CT/MRI/PET scanners per million people in the [US](https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/health-at-a-glance-2025_15a55280-en/united-states_3517f35e-en.html) versus 52.8 per million in the [EU](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Healthcare_resource_statistics_-_technical_resources_and_medical_technology).

InformationNew66

This is by design. You will own nothing and you will be happy. The EU authoritarian program.

Various_Couple_764

While if this happens covered call fund, bonds (government and cooperate), and low growth dividend stocks would be your best investments. in 1978n there was 1 billionaire. historically the US had very few billionaires. Why there were 15 tax bracket with he highest bracket at 70% End result money in the US was spread out more equitably amongst the population. Today due to tax cuts by Regan, Bush, trump and the US now has 1000 billionaires with about 7 trillion in assets. Government dept spending has increased substantially after each cut. And it is getting harder to control inflation and social security and many benefits to the poor have been reduced and the average spending for healthcare in the US is double what it in most developed countries. today there are 7 brackets with the highest rate of 39%. But the billionars are nonpaying taxes. Most CEOs today don't get a slurry. they get stock grants and pay little in taxes when they recieve them. And they don't sellsotck for income. Instead they use the stock as collateral or a loan for income and no taxes on the income. from the loan. And if the stock, market goes up the bank loans them more money. Today the US tax systemetn is extremely inequitable. Overall in the EU is showing the same trend in billionaires but overall they are doing a better job maintaining benefits to most people.

Agitated-Actuary-195

Here the list of just some of them…. All lies • “£350 million a week for the NHS” • “Turkey is about to join the EU / 76 million Turks could come to the UK” • “The EU is forcing Britain into an EU army” • “The EU makes 60–80% of UK laws” • “We send £350m a week and get nothing back” • “Brexit will let us redirect all EU payments to public services immediately” • “The UK has no control over EU immigration” • “EU membership bans Britain from striking its own trade deals” (presented without transition/complexity caveats) • “Brussels bans bendy bananas / straight cucumbers” • “Brexit will trigger an immediate recession” • “500,000 jobs will be lost immediately after a Leave vote” • “Every household will be £4,300 worse off” (presented as a guaranteed bill) • “House prices will crash 10–18% straight after a Leave vote” • “World War III” implications from leaving the EU • “The NHS will collapse if we leave the EU” • “Leaving the EU means we leave Europe” • “Brexit will automatically stop all EU migrants from coming” • “The EU is about to abolish the UK veto in key areas affecting sovereignty”

Turbulent_Ad_7036

I feel the pain from this new tax law and it’s BS. But I also think the middle class in EU is different from the US. They don’t need to worried about being fired and lose the health insurance. Don’t need to worried about retirement. Beside that it’s almost impossible to get fired.

TweeBierAUB

Its just so different in eu. The netherlands only has 50 billionaires, with the Heineke heir at number 1 with 12 billion euro. Lot of money for sure, but even if we could confiscate all their wealth its only enough to run the country for like 2 months. In the EU the tax the 1% mentality is used to milk the upper middle class imo. The billionaires have their loopholes, and that sucks, but even if we would fix that we are talking less than 1% of the budget. There is never going to come any real revenue from that group, but any attempt to cut government spending is met with this tax the rich rhetoric.

transcending_sissy

Lol, you are assuming that life-saving drug is available to the EU Health system. It's only "free" if the system approves it, so it better be from a diseases that is common or not too rare or not too complicated, otherwise you're at the mercy of a public health bureaucrat and politicians :D

tootapple

This is why I’m never worried about the EU stock market doing better than the US stock market

include007

because unelected politicians in EU are corrupt as fuck

Whythehellnot_wecan

Not hacking but like the other guy said there are positives and negatives to different systems, cultures, and dare I saw certain policies adopted. I don’t think all EU countries trust their government to act in their best interest. France and UK come to mind. I have friends in both countries and don’t think they share the same sentiment. I also have a Swiss friend who from as far as I can tell lives in nirvana.

Dragonsven

It's still a bad idea, even for billionaires. It limits growth and if you want to see what policies built around these ideas does, just take a look at Europe. 20 years ago the EU and the US had equivalent GDPs. Now take a look. Anti-growth is bad for everyone.

Holden_Makock

And yet we have People in USA who claim USA is bad and want it to be more EU.

Odd-Future1037

We already are shipping our best and brightest to the US especially in the AI scene. We may not have an AI industry to speak of, but you know what we have? REGULATIONS! These twats at the EU thought that was a big point of pride. EU is starting to reverse course on a lot things now, but they need to drop this regulatory obsession with everything already.

Sweaty_Bad_64

It is easier to get rich in the USA. It is very difficult to become homeless in the EU. Frankly, you people suck.

Very_Curious_Cat

Well in my country (also EU) you pay 10% taxes on some retirement savings plans when you reach 60 years old. But the savings and interests may be claimed soonest when you reach 65. So if you die between 60 and 65 .... guess who's winning.

SoCal7s

Because they’re more focused on the community not the individual In the US it’s obviously the reverse. USA asks why can’t we all be “winners” EU asks why do there have to be “losers” I’m “winning” in the USA so that works for me BUT income inequality isn’t just a catch phrase, sucks for you if you’re not in or on a path to be in the Top 10% If AI fulfills its mission; sucks for you if you actually need to work for a living. Research old school Serfdom and see you future in the crystal ball

liquidmasl

tax on unrealized gains is stupid, but I would still never choose the US over the EU. Yes taxes are high, but quality of life is higher, I am okay paying taxes. Just want the rich to pay their fair share as well

MonsterMunch00

Varies dramatically by country. As an expat in Bulgaria I pay 0% capital gains on 90% of my stock portfolio (profits on EU domiciled ETFs are not taxable) and I only pay 10% income tax regardless of how much I earn. It doesn't get much better.

Intelligent_Top_328

Because EU hate people.

Dealer_Existing

So first of all you’re already answering your own question in the post. Secondly; Netherlands had or has a capital tax historically based on an estimated 8% return of investment. That meant that every year the capital is being registered on the 1st or january and then the government said; I think you made 8% ROI on the capital. Now pay us 36% of this 8%. This led to massive complaints when the 8% wasn’t reached, so now they are changing to a tax on the true ROI. They essentially are saying that capital increase is the same as salary, thus you have to pay income tax of 36%. Don’t you want to pay this in EU? Get a Portugese or Bulgarian residence :)

ImArchBoo

Current tax system for taxing stocks/bonds was deemed illegal based on EU law (2% of your assets p.a. based on fictitious gains). But the government budget can’t afford such a massive cut on taxes, and this is the best alternative they could come up with.

l3ef0re_Time

Norway isn’t an EU member.

YaLlegaHiperhumor

> Previous attempts to tax unrealized or assumed gains has been shot down by the Dutch and EU supreme courts. We'll see. [It was approved in Norway recently](https://azertag.az/en/xeber/norway_039s_wealth_tax_trades_millionaires_for_equality-3878503). It may be the first case in the EU, a first step into modernizing an outdated tax system that's been thoroughly exploited by the millionaire and billionaire classes.

TorZidan

Welcome to Bulgaria: Capital gains from trading securities on the Bulgarian Stock Exchange or any regulated securities market in an EU/EEA member state are tax-exempt. This exemption also applies to shares listed on equivalent third-country stock markets (e.g., US exchanges) as of January 1, 2021.

No-Beginning7509

We get taxed A LOT in the US. It’s just not as transparent as a lot of EU companies. While you might get taxed on unrealized gains, at least your gains won’t be wiped out in one unexpected hospital visit. Rant aside, I think the solution to this is to take shorter positions on stocks.

DenseComparison5653

This is Netherlands and it won't go through m why do you drag whole EU in this 

Big-Finding2976

There is no EU Supreme Court.

BarracudaDismal4782

Not just shot by the EU supreme courts, they were also shot by the Duch supreme court in 2021: "The Dutch Supreme Court (Hoge Raad) has already ruled in 2021, and reaffirmed in 2024, that taxing deemed or unrealized income violates the right to property"

Consuela-says-no-no

From 2028 pending senate approval... I will tell you 1 thing, it is way easier as a middle class person to save money in EU then in the US, coming from someone that moved from EU to US. In most of the EU everything taxed, works, and gets you a return, in the US you get taxed a little less, but have to pay for everything yourself still. Life is much more expensive in the US