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hakkzpets

Those fines are piss in Mississippi in relation to the GDP of the EU.

EireOfTheNorth

At what point does paying off the national debt interest every year become unaffordable? Over 1 trillion a year on interest payments right now, right? Theoretically, he invades Denmark and in response the EU dumps US bonds (they've already spoken quietly about doing this over his Ukraine stance)... ... End of the US? 3.5% of GDP or so already on paying solely the interest on your debt. At what point does the back break?

ShadowLiberal

I didn't even know that the EU was considering reviving the already proven failure "Google Tax" legislation from over a decade ago. It's called the Google tax because it was about stopping Google News from linking to news articles without paying for the privilege of driving traffic to someone else's website. When I saw this post I thought that it was about the EU's new horrible idea, mandatory online age/ID verification, which is now required in the UK to even do things like listen to music deemed too "unsafe" for children to listen to. Which not only is incredibly burdensome to implement, but creates massive new security risks (as seen by Discord's own data breach that leaked a bunch of people's IDs in the UK).

Chogo82

Those fines are how the EU makes their money and stay relevant. It’s like small town cops with their speed traps in the US. The fines are part of the cost of doing business in the EU.

Capable_Paper1281

>The EU and its free trade Only exists to keep out competition as Europe becomes less relevant in global manufacturing

Original-Poet1825

I don’t like the EU for investing either but shorting it sounds like a good way to transfer money from your boss to citadel

Prometheus_1094

It will literally unite all of Europe against the US You already have half of Latin America against you as well as China. SEA pretty much the same. Right now everyone plays nice because they have to. Plus all the EU has to do is stop trading in dollars to collapse the economy I don’t think Americans will be happy when their money is worth nothing overnight. Then add the chaos that is already going on… It better not get to that point because it will be the end of everyone

Bloodsucker_

This case was BS from the start and embarrassing. The EU shouldn't be doing this in the first place.

hecho2

The world is splitting in 2.  One is China tech and financial services. One is lead by the US tech and institutionals.  Majority will use the two but with one being more popular then other.  The EV market share worldwide shows a look into the future.  Currently the US is fighting this with bully actions but seems unstoppable.  If UE sides with the US in banning Chinese stuff then there is no point in having EU. 

cambeiu

This particular case was outright extortion to benefit large EU telcos. They weren't even hiding it. >

pacmandaddy

I'm looking to short the EU, I don't see a bright future for them, and I am looking to profit off of their misery. Frankly, I think that they deserve what they get. I suppose there are some EU ETFs which I will look into.

smallushandus

The EU should just tell it’s pensions institutions that they cannot invest in US financial assets, and boom €300bn gone. https://www.eiopa.europa.eu/document/download/405b794e-e81c-4660-95fb-fb92a5e09038_en?filename=EIOPA%20-%20IORPs%20statistics%20factsheet%20Q4%202024.pdf

mustachechap

I’m not surprised about the EU bending the knee, just so embarrassed for them at this point honestly

PandaCalves

Yep, EU defense has been popping as NATO loses faith in the US. Rheinmetall, Saab, Kongsberg, BAE, Elbit have been great to me.

FarrisAT

EU bends the knee (as usual). Maybe Google can one day remove “EU fines” from their 10k earnings reports.

Aggressive_Bit_91

Kinda wild it’s getting hit so hard with the EU saying big tech will avoid harsh regulations in their new bill

Interestingly_Quiet

Preface - i will hand it to Elon, he was a great hype man & did a great job recognizing the need for a charging network in the US. I think people are equating Elon's ancillary businesses with TSLA. TSLA has been overpriced for years, and I strictly sell TSLA options to gather up that IV. TSLA's cars are Sh\*t. The more I travel around the world, the fewer TSLAs I see.. compared to BYD, EU makers. Especially BYD. I recently rode in one, and I would say its quality is easily 5x greater than TSLA. They've also addressed Automotive Battery's performance in cold temps.. like the Nordic countries. I think it's a matter of time before the rest of the everyone figures out that TSLAs are crap & market share will dive

Otherwise-Coyote6950

Who cares, the EU is in no position to threaten us. They're a 3rd world shithole

Eeeekim72

How is a war in the EU going to effect our growing debt?

richardbaxter

It's a very small portion of the US housing market (2% - although this is the US so that's a lot). They'll be a grift. With a bit of luck though, that money might find itself into the UK which is no bad thing. We left the EU and now we're skint and foreign investment is slower. Or, Canada? 

HeadlessHeader

for now. slowly all the international is dumping bonds from the US. the general sentiment here in the EU is to no longer buy stocks from the US.

CovidScurred

Looks like he’s securing oil from Venezuela before going for Greenland. He’s getting ready for a confrontation with EU.

zxc123zxc123

OP was probably dumb enough to wire money to a Nigerian prince and is not pissed at Nigeria. While shorting Nigeria is smart/easier than say shorting China, the EU, Japan, or the USA..... it's not much better as a trade since being a🌈🐻 is often not worth the trouble.

tachyonvelocity

I've said it before, target date funds are some of the most overrated funds and strategies. Vanguard especially is a proponent of target date fund philosophy of a huge overweight on international stocks. This is partly because historically international performed better, but the real world has caught up to them. International stocks will simply be long term underperformers because nowhere in the world do companies have the same amount of benefits as the US, from better taxation, market potential, and regulatory environment. Think about this from a logical standpoint of a businessman, is it easier to get to market a new product in the US, or say, a fractional EU, or risky EM? The market potential, the number of wealthy customers? The economies of scale? Buying so much international stocks besides the once every 5 years it does better, is totally pointless and lowers your future returns. There are also bonds, well bonds have bubbles too, and risks. How could one possibly buy bonds when interest rates are say 0% during the pandemic is beyond me, makes literally no sense. Vanguard and target dates, don't attempt to help with with good information, they are for the masses, the people who don't care for understanding investment, for the most average return possible to please the most people.

Free-Initiative7508

While the users growth & DAUs in US/EU might be slowing, you are completely ignoring the fact that it has about 3+ billion DAUs. Dont forget that they still own instagram & whatsapp. In SEA particularly, meta basically had us by the balls, every tom, dick and harry is on at least 1 of meta products or even extremely common to be on multiple of meta products. It is like the infrastructure for everything here. Political regimes, businesses traffic, media & influencers narrative in SEA is literally gained & lost on meta products. I am definitely buying at this level. Besides, whatsapp hasnt even fully monetise yet, if you take a look at wechat you would understand how much growth engine whatsapp will be in the future. Cant vouch for llm & VR products though as it has never been my interest

TopTippityTop

The EU is dependent on the Unoted States.

SangerGRBY

TSLA to 400 EOW ? Crap sales in EU CHINA US Baby raging on twitter against jensen Last not least FUCK ELON

imrickjamesbioch

It’s not just selling weapons as nato or specifically the EU has shifted their resources into building their own weapons as the US can’t be trusted any longer with a Russian agent in the white house. Japan (non-nato), UK, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, and other EU nation’s all hold a significant amount of wealth/ investment into the US. You would basically the dollar collapse as about $5 trillion dollars would instantly evaporate from the US economy. The Euro and Brics currency “The Unit” would basically overtake the US dollar as the global currency and maga dipshit will get what they wanted, isolation and global war as the only jobs available will be to fight over minerals for the rich.

AnyHat8807

Self fulfilling prophecy. You see what you want to see and discount or disregard what doesn't fit that world view. The EU and its free trade, NATO, the multitude of trade and other agreements between nations is not "do this or else" - rather its "lets work together for a win win". But your worldview looks at those same facts and sees a different reality. Im not immune to a tinted perception myself. I don't claim to be enlightened to the true reality of things. And I agree that 'old school strength of arms' has deffo been a thing for human history. But - most recently, a lot of humanities best achievements and progress have come from working together - not forcing subserviance.

Content_Hunt_3329

As a European, if this happens, I will promise not to do anything anymore for any american under any circumstance. I think it is WILD we are not discussing a ban on American tourists in the EU.

falk_lhoste

Dang I was too high and read bombs instead of bonds. Like the EU bombing the US as retaliation haha. Y'all well in your right to down vote me

Dramatic-Panda8012

i see article 5 getting pulled up, after all that will be a attack against EU

adheretohospitality

US passed a bill allowing merchants to deny high processing fee cards, SoFi & PayPal are both trying to break into processing, the EU is investigating VISA & MC as duopolies and if the US passes the CCCA bill they are cooked.

MyRedundantOpinion

Yeah and he’s the president of the USA which means people have to play along, that’s just the reality. Trump will play whatever as a win and he owns them, EU will play along to keep shit sweet.

Low-Pollution-262

Since the CEO took over, the stock price has been over $4 and is slowly reaching $5. I believe, being a microcap now, FDA approval alone can push the MC to > 330M. Let’s wait and see. I hope you remember the day they got their EU patent approved for their PTR System in August 2024; the price shot up by 4x in a day. We might see that again ! 😊

MyRedundantOpinion

I’m not American you fucking spastic. You’re being a retard if you just cannot comprehend the dumb strategic thinking going on in trumps head. And you’re also a fucking retard if you think EU is going to fucking declare all out war on America over Greenland 🤣 more than likely Greenland will just let America house more bases there and that’s about it.

AnyHat8807

Fair enough. Brute force thinking is how the world used to work. Then we realised its more profitable and better for progress to just...get along. Now we're going back to threats and strong arming. In response, Europes rearming - last two times this happened we called it WW1, and WW2. Practically every country is upping their defence budget, and former allies are distancing themselves with intelligence shared, trade and reliance on US (which is what made the US a superpower in the first place - everyone *needing* their military and financial might). Lastly - will be very surprised if Europe and EU don't start selling their USD and treasuries. Slowly for now, but dumping them if US invades Greenland. Good luck with 20% inflation when the US tries to print its way out of that.

ETP_Queen

yeah those 3 are honestly a solid “keep it simple” mix, just be careful with the word *safe* because the EM piece can move a lot more than people expect. what you’re really doing is building a global portfolio by hand (US + Europe + Emerging), which is totally fine, it just means you should be mindful of how big each slice is and how much overlap you end up with over time. if you ever want the same idea but even cleaner, a single global UCITS ETF (ACWI / FTSE All-World style) basically gives you US+EU+EM in one go, and then you only add an extra EM fund if you actually want that extra volatility.

AzzakFeed

The US is not necessarily in a position to prevent Chinese blockade of Taiwan indefinitely, especially if they do do something stupid like grabbing Greenland from the EU.

HelloW0rldBye

UK or EU investors holding or entering US defence, sorry WAR, stocks should be considered treason at this point.

Ok_Cartoonist6749

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/milestone-announces-acceptance-maa-ema-132204510.html MIST=8 OR 12 1.Weĺls Fargo raised SP=8 2. TD Cowen upgrade to buy 3. H.C Wainright raised SP=8 50% Institute ownership Short term =5 long term =12 US approval. EU n others r approved by first quarter of 2027. Cash=82M Debt=57 MC=174 n EV=149. So fundamentally is all good.

Successful_Doubt8632

Attacking Greenland is attacking Denmark, which in turn is attacking NATO, which is all of the EU (minus Russia). Does Europe just stand by and watch China, Russia and the US divide up the world probably.. yeah that's probably what will happen

FuckleUp

Had a good laugh at the Danish EU ambassador being slightly upset with the 🇺🇸 wearing a turtleneck on National tv

TropicalPossum954

Your crazy if you think the us and russia wont tag team the EU and split up the land. Russias wanted the baltics since Peter the great one of Putins heros as soon as theres blood in the water they would pounce. It this situation youd be Trup and put would be bubba

dopef123

EU would have air superiority. I don’t think Russia would have a chance against Poland alone.

LunaticBZ

No WWIII is next week. When the U.S. attacks Greenland. Given that Greenland is a member state of the EU. It'll put the U.S. at war with almost all of Europe. Russia's our friend not our enemy.

EireOfTheNorth

If EU and NATO integrity is damaged by US actions you're sure as shit getting punitive measures by at least a few EU nations. This includes but is not limited to dumping bonds. [They were whispering about doing this over the US stance on Ukraine](https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/is-europe-ready-to-pull-the-trigger-officials-whisper-about-dumping-us-treasuries-if-trump-cuts-ukraine-deal/amp_articleshow/125871003.cms) nevermind a direct military attack on Europe from the US. And really, if confidence in the dollar is weakened or it's position as the reserve currency is questioned... Goodnight America. Your insane (and ever growing) national debt is completely unpayabld if the demand for the dollar disappears in the event you are no longer the reserve currency. You are $38,000,000,000,000 (38 TRILLION) in debt. Annual interest payments have now passed one trillion. Roughly 3.21% of your GDP is going toward interest and interest alone. Now tank the dollar a bit. How do you stay afloat? Believing a man who has bankrupt multiple casinos to leave your economy in good state upon exit (if he plans on exiting) is crack head mentality. Look at how much debt he has added in the last year - 2.2 trillion in *one year*.

falk_lhoste

EU throwing bombs on the US as a revenge of aggressions in Greenland? Common mate. Crazy times but not that crazy haha. Ain't gonna happen and Trump will probably walk away with a healthy economy if he gets lucky and his presidency coincide with the biggest productivity gains in history. But I doubt it haha.

EireOfTheNorth

Man, and if he touches Greenland...? EU holds $1.6 trillion in US bonds. That's a hell of a lot that can be dumped. The US would cease becoming a third world country with a Gucci belt and begin a new age of simply becoming a third world country.

elpresidentedeljunta

The smaller you break down an entity, the more it resembles the law of the jungle with the strong dominating the weak. History teaches us that collaborative communities overall exceed hierachical ones. That´s why democratic societies do better than dictatoricals, Unions do better than single nation states. That´s why humanity went from groups to clans to nations to unions. If you remove the federal government you will basically have Europe without the EU. Yes, every state would theoretically be able to foster it´s specific needs better, but overall it would be a weaker, less thriving group. The few winners being outweighed by the losers. Because the unexpected growth comes from the fringes which simply die if less ressources are available to give them a chance. It´s the very same principles as with ETFs versus owning individual stocks. Yes, you lack the potential for short term explosive growth, but over the years you will always beat an investor who does not diversify. The Federal government is the institution that governs an ETF of all state activities.

NotMe357

They never say that. Its all fake news. Denmark wouldn't be stupid to give TACO an excuse to invade Greenland. What they'll do is asking big countries of EU to send soldiers to Denmark and hopefully TACO will stay away because of that.

Ok_Cartoonist6749

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/milestone-announces-acceptance-maa-ema-132204510.html MIST=8 OR 12 1.Weĺls Fargo raised SP=8 2. TD Cowen upgrade to buy 3. H.C Wainright raised SP=8 50% Institute ownership Short term =5 long term =12 US approval. EU n others r approved by first quarter of 2027. Cash=82M Debt=57 MC=174 n EV=149. So fundamentally is all good.

Ok_Cartoonist6749

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/milestone-announces-acceptance-maa-ema-132204510.html 1.Weĺls Fargo raised SP=8 2. TD Cowen upgrade to buy 3. H.C Wainright raised SP=8 50% Institute ownership Short term =5 long term =12 US approval. EU n others r approved by first quarter of 2027. Cash=82M Debt=57 MC=174 n EV=149. So fundamentally is all good.

Mysterious-Device-53

Huh? I said Greenland. Denmark belongs to EU. Greenland is North America

TernTheNumbers

Western Europe's % of people willing to fight for their country is in the mid to low teens. Now imagine how low it is for some distant territorial claim with 50K people. They'd rather spend their money on public benefits. EU are the USA's vassals. Yen remains extremely weak with J-bond yields still @ less than half of US treasurys. Japan can't just dump a trillion dollars of debt onto the secondary market without screwing themselves royally. The axis of assholes loses the ability to inflate if they back with gold, and nobody will trust them unless the gold is stored in the US because they are inherently untrustworthy countries. And Russia and China are not superpowers; there is only one.

Magnets

Trump wants to take control of the americas, reshore from china and ignore europe (or help to replace EU governments with more politically aligned i.e.non-woke). AI is leverage and AI production will come from american companies and supply the west. China/russia/3rd world will diverge. Tariff revenue is going to be handed out in stimmy cheques to pump the economy if required. increasing oil production is to get inflation down. oil price drives inflation.

Mysterious-Device-53

Do you know that Greenland is North America, not EU?

UsedButtPlugTaster

I bet if he makes an aggressive play on Greenland the EU dumps all of their US treasury holdings/bonds and crashes the markets.

shockwagon

didn't he just make NATO cough up to fund their own EU military? are there no savings there? WTF

iratezero

The only thing the EU would do is "closely monitor the situation" unfortunately. No lunatics are in charge there, unlike us.

skate1243

not when it means an end to US-EU trade

Jan198819

Thank you for your kind words, but of course American citizens don’t have a debate about this. I just find it sad that, from Europe, it feels like America is only sliding further downhill. As a little boy, I looked up to the U.S., where everything seemed possible. It seemed fantastic to live there. Now I have to be afraid that I might not be allowed into the country because I criticize Trump. It’s starting to feel so authoritarian. That’s why I’m very grateful to live in the EU now but, of course, also has its limitations ;).

jnas_19

Has the EU tried sending a strongly worded letter to Russia to stop the war? No way they won’t listen

InjuryEmbarrassed532

I can’t imagine living on a planet where the West’s best shot is represented by the EU and its ineptitude. Wouldn’t be long for this world.

ElmoLovesGrover

I was planning on selling last week, but have held and have averaged down some even. Currently 2,000 at 97 cents, so still plenty underwater. Doubt I will by much more, but am now planning on holding for the longer term. Liquidity/cash is their overwhelming problem. Their drug works -even FDA has clearly stated that more than once. Its already approved in UK and EU and they will be generating revenue from it the second half of the this year. Their drug has completed Phase 2s for two other indications.

BellyFullOfMochi

the EU needs to step up military spending, throw the US out of Nato and tell Donnie to fuck off.

Samjabr

Who knows how it all plays out. But the tariffs were never an impetus for the decision to move to Gold/Alt currency. It all stems from the U.S. and EU decision to utilize SWIFT to deny Russia access to financial markets, seize $300 billion of their liquid assets, immediately attempt to "award" those funds to Ukraine through a complex scheme designed to bypass international forfeiture laws by issuing Belgian securities, that were to immediately converted into "reparation loans," that Ukraine was then obligated to spend on U.S. and NATO weaponry for the destruction of Russian forces...

ElmoLovesGrover

They got EU approval yesterday. Will be selling in both US and EU within weeks.

VR_Bummser

This! September 11. About 800 non-US Nato soldiers died in Afghanistan. When the US called to arms, EU+UK+Can ran to help without hesitation. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition\_casualties\_in\_Afghanistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan)

VR_Bummser

"NATO wouldn't be there if the US needed them" \-> September 11. About 800 non-US Nato soldiers died in Afghanistan. When the US called to arms, EU+UK ran to help without hesitation. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition\_casualties\_in\_Afghanistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan)

ComprehensiveArmy451

the EU cant afford to not get involved if geo politics get any worse

The_Insider_Edge

Trojarová is notably the only advanced antimony project in the European Union with extensive historical work (63 old drillholes + underground development) now being modernized. Europe has almost no primary antimony production and relies heavily on imports, making this strategically vital under the EU’s Critical Raw Materials Act.

AllCapNoBrake

Bro, after the D take back everything in 26 and 28, bibi/AIPAC will ramp up the US invasion as they have in EU.

FuckingJPMAlgos

The earth is 1.3 billion years old, if the snow didnt melt till now, its not going to melt in our lifetime for sure. What is the use of such a military base in the middle of nowhere! If the idea was to protect from Russia, arent there already enough US bases throughout EU?

AnonymousTimewaster

For the benefit of others, it's the EU Vanguard S&P500 fund

bungholio99

That’s why JP Morgan and Global X has those IE, EU or LSE listings. You get nice 8-12% yields and mostly completely tax free, but sometimes there is a 1-2% Spread because of low volume. You could also look into those swiss stocks that have 0 witholding tax in general, this should also improve your situation and it’s often a 4-5% yield you get. Holcim, EFG, U-Blox, Avolta or Clariant.

Astronaut100

I don’t see how liquidity dries up when the US alone pays $1T in interest every year AND runs on trillions in deficit. The EU is also spending a lot more on defense. The party will continue until they raise interest rates, which is not happening under the current administration.

xzstnce

They can and will. The Ukraine has a massive army and the EU is weak politically. Russia has been attacking and scouting military bases all over the EU for years now, without repercussion.

ExcitableSarcasm

Are we watching the same geopolitical show? The one where all the major EU leaders dropped everything to pay homage to Trumpo a few months ago? As if we haven't been living under US hegemony for the last 70 years.

Horcsogg

Most likely nah, EU would retaliate like hell, sanction your asses to ground.

dopef123

Russia can’t attack the EU. They can’t even deal with Ukraine. What are they going to attack the EU with?

Zaknafein_bg

Except for the Russia part. They’re more likely to mass bomb ukraine and enter there instead of attacking the EU

xzstnce

If Greenland is to be attacked or annexed by an ally, then Taiwan falls, Israel rolls Palestine, Russia attacks the EU directly since no US retaliation is to be feared.

xzstnce

EU will dump US bonds

Odd_Helicopter_7545

They have nothing in common. Taiwan falls under the umbrella of the US because they are important to their interests. No one wants to fuck with the most powerful military and economy in the world. Invade Taiwan would not only pin the US against China but then the EU would turn on China and China would be absolutely destroyed economically since they would be sanctioned and their export drive. economy would collapse

Noble_Bastard

If only we knew if/when 🥭 was going to take Greenland. Getting closer to selling my holdings, as I can't see the market taking that one well. Yes, taking territory from an ally (and NATO member) is far different than bombing Iran, Nigeria or Venezuela. I doubt the EU has an willingness to actually stop a takeover, just some social media outrage as usual, but that doesn't stop the fact that sanctions would be likely from many in the Western world. Doubt sanctions could ever have the affect they did on Russia against the US, but also doubt it won't be felt at least somewhat.

Angrenost

There could be a coalition of EU and rest of the Americas vs US. There's no ruling out a ground war with Nato forces supporting Canada, Mexico and rebelling US states.

gagagagaNope

Most EU countries have effectively zero military. They've lived parasitically off US protection for decades. EU look after itself? LOL.

Turbosuit

I'll go a step further just split the world in 3 already. America, South Asia/Africa, North Asia/Africa and EU. Cmon already. Rule as a triumvirate. Everyone obtains their aspirations. And make Australia a prison as God intended.

gagagagaNope

What do you think it means? It's not a military alliance. The EU has no army, no command, and very few countries with any real capability, most of which will ignore the EU like they have with the supposed sacred EU rules on .. well, everything. Are you seriously suggesting the EU will go to war against the US? With what, broom handles? How would they physically get troops to Greenland? Fight with what? Do you seriously think a french or german family would send their child to die for ... well, what exactly? They've not even done that in Ukraine when an agressor invaded - they did the opposite and continued sending 10s of billions of euros to Moscow for oil and gas. If (and they won't) the US invaded Greenland, how long do you think it would take to capture a few towns of a few thousand people, most of whom don't care which foreign power lords it over them. Nice of you to assume i'm American, i'm not. Why are tariffs suddenly bad to the EU, when the whole existence of the EU has been based on defining and applying them to fund itself? Maybe look at what you're forced to pay on imported food, clothing, cars, electronics ... well, everything. I'll help you out: [https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff/eu-customs-tariff-taric\_en](https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/customs/calculation-customs-duties/customs-tariff/eu-customs-tariff-taric_en)

klyphw

I’m not suggesting warfare I’m agreeing with the parent comment above about EU getting rid of American products/services similar to what they did with Russia

InjuryEmbarrassed532

I was born in "Europe" and I am a dual EU/US citizen. The EU won't do anything very consequential over Greenland, period. Going to an all out economic war with the US would be more than just poking their own eye, given the state of major EU economies (not catastrophic, but in a more precarious state than the US economy...things are worse in Germany than they have been in a very very long time, especially with its famous industrial base). The fact is that the EU is ineffective against players like Russia and China, consider the Chinese bids/purchases at infrastructure in Greece, Italy, Greenland itself and some other countries. Best case scenario the US gets to build more military infrastructure on Greenland, and other concessions...while Denmark maintains ownership.

InjuryEmbarrassed532

Never happening. In the end the most likely outcome is the US getting to build more bases on Greenland, and other special concessions. Maybe an outright purchase. The EU will do nothing more than send strongly worded letters. Absolutely not in a position to go all out economic war with the US - no matter what Reddit children tell you.

jnas_19

Greenland will either be purchased/grabbed in a deal or will not be invaded by the US. If NATO/EU doesn't fold at all Trump will. That's my take at least

jnas_19

Taiwan invasion is an immediate recession and mass liquidation even if EU/US do nothing. That's just how much Taiwan's chip infrastructure/trade matters. Who is the EU more likely to cut in either of these scenarios? Their biggest trading partner and long lasting democratic ally/provider of security or China who actively backs Russian imperialism?

VoidMageZero

Attacking Greenland means the EU cannot trust the US ever again, it would mean NATO is dead. They would have to fully militarize to be able to defend themselves, that's what I meant by a full war economy. They would probably drop US bonds too, or at least stop buying them.

Worried_Quarter469

If we were at war with the EU, 50% chance those troops defect and fight for the EU

motorbikler

I think they would essentially boot out American companies. People will say "how could they, we have so much great stuff." The consumer goods are all fully replaceable. Nobody needs Facebook or Instagram or even Whatsapp. They don't need Amazon. They don't need Coca Cola or Levis or Starbucks. I think you would see an absolute mad dash to getting of American cloud providers. It would have an enormous effect on revenue for S&P 500 companies that flows from the EU to the US. All the talk about how much money the US spends on defending the world. It floats some ships around, maintains some bases that Europe contributes to, and in exchange gets trillions from the global economy. But the US wants to give this up for expensive occupations instead? That's cheaper than fielding some aircraft carriers to hotspots as a show of force? They want to exchange wealthy Europe for Central and South American buyers? Not the strategy I would choose.

VoidMageZero

They would probably go full war economy, this might not be WW3 yet but more like the opening steps towards WW3. Instead of the US and EU being allies, it might be US vs EU vs Russia/China.

jnas_19

Lets be real what is the EU gonna do if we take Greenland? Condemn us for the 100th time? Is the EU even ready to destroy NATO or their own economy over fucking Greenland? I don't think so