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Supertainment

30 min till EU market close, expect a pump heading into close and a dump in the last 5 min

rayquan36

It's always EU that messes everything up.

ShittyUsernane1222

\> Russia and China being close allies with bureaucratic integration \> US and EU being close allies with bureaucratic integration \> US becoming de facto but not de jure Russia ally via 🥭 taking power \> US, Russia, China moving in lockstep as 🥭 takes commands from Russia and Russia, China have deep collaborations \> Russia getting humiliated by EU-supported Ukraine \> US getting humiliated by Russia, China supported Iran \> China doing nothing besides setting up bait for the US, Russia \> EU also doing nothing besides sending the occasional arms shipment to Ukraine calls on EU, China financial markets puts on US, Russia financial markets

Pax19

I wish my EU broker would let me buy American equity options, because I'd so buy META leaps.

Mr_Knutsen

This seems to be pure US centered view. Right now, here in Germany - my phone plan is 15€ for flat rate calls and 55GB of data, with free roaming in EU countries. It's not with T-Mobile direct, but it uses it's network. [https://www.telekom.de/shop/tarife/smartphone-tarife](https://www.telekom.de/shop/tarife/smartphone-tarife) The cheapest plan is 30€. And germany usually was on the high end of pricing here in the EU.

Slow-Raisin-939

NBIS is positioning themselves to be more than just a hardware provider. Furthermore, I feel they’re very well positioned in the indutry. Europe based which is huge considering there’s a push for Eurocentrism all across the EU. It’s also heavily Israeli backed and there’s lots of jewish people in the C-suite. Take a look at other tehnologies that are hot today like PLTR. I think one of AI’s first and “real” implementation in the world, in the sense that the average person will feel it, will be mass surveillance. I think Israel and specifically Gaza will be the test-bed for the technology and it will basically be provided/operated by PLTR and powered by NBIS due to political and geographic situation. It’s probably not a future we’ll like but you can profit from it or not, it’s probably going to happen anyway

r2k-in-the-vortex

EU has that, you got to take an online quiz to show you have a clue before you are allowed to invest in "complex" instruments.

ShittyUsernane1222

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account-names

Which one, and in EU?

Lazy_One_8463

# 💡 Кто заплатит после IPO OpenAI и Anthropic? Исторические убытки от субсидирования доступа не будут погашены единовременным сбором, а перераспределены **каскадно через принудительную монетизацию уже сформированной зависимости**. Нагрузка ляжет на тех, чья стоимость отказа стала максимальной: |Стейкхолдер|Доля нагрузки|Как именно платит| |:-|:-|:-| |**Корпоративные клиенты (B2B)**|\~60–70%|Прямая наценка: рост тарифов за токены, оплата SLA/памяти/безопасности; vendor lock-in делает миграцию дороже обслуживания.| |**Партнёры / Стартапы / Интеграторы**|\~20–30%|Не деньгами напрямую, а возможностями: каннибализация успешных продуктов платформой, блокировки при попытке конкурировать, вынужденный рефакторинг под нативные API с повышенной маржой для платформы.| |**Публичные инвесторы**|0% прямых затрат, 10–15% риска волатильности|Принимают структурный риск: премия возможна только при доказанном устойчивом cash-flow без критического churn и регуляторных штрафов. При срыве стратегии — переоценка мультипликаторов.| |**Конечные потребители**|\~5–10% косвенно|Через цепочку операционных наценок в SaaS, финтехе, логистике и других сервисах, где AI стал core-процессом.| # ⚙️ Триггер монетизации После IPO фокус сместится с `burn-rate growth` на `cash-generative pricing`. Платформы активируют: 1. **Тарификацию по usage/memory/SLA** вместо flat-субсидий и бесплатных квот. 2. **Tiered access:** приоритет вычислений, ранних релизов моделей и техподдержки только для enterprise с долгосрочными контрактами. 3. **Барьеры миграции:** жёсткие лимиты API, сложности экспорта промптов/контекста, расширенная трактовка «конкуренции» в офертах (прецеденты блокировок ByteDance, Windsurf уже зафиксированы). # 🛡️ Что может изменить расклад Сценарий `power play` не является необратимым. Рынок ответит координированными контрмерами: * **Оркестрация и open-weight модели** (LiteLLM/vLLM + Llama, Mistral, Qwen) снизят switching costs до уровня инфраструктурных затрат. * **Bargaining-пулы enterprise-клиентов** вынудят переход к capacity-based pricing вместо usage-based rent extraction. * **Регуляторное давление** (FTC/EU DMA) может запретить дискриминацию через ToS и ввести стандарты portability данных. В этом сценарии финансовый груз частично вернётся к самим платформам в виде скидок, SLA-гарантий и операционных затрат на удержание клиентов. `Power play` превратится в `commodity race`. # ✅ Итог в одном предложении **Платят те, кто не диверсировал стек:** корпоративные клиенты — деньгами и архитектурной гибкостью через lock-in, партнёры — инновациями и долей рынка через каннибализацию, инвесторы — терпением к волатильности; стратегия перекладывает исторические убытки субсидирования на экосистему в момент, когда отказ от платформы становится экономически невыгодным, но рыночный отпор (open-source + оркестрация + регуляторика) способен вернуть счёт за монетизацию самим платформам.

Worldly-Singer-7349

Belgium used to have 0% capital gains tax and has now introduced a 10% flat tax on all annual capital gains above 10k€. And it has one of the best social systems in the EU, including universal healthcare and mandatory indexed salaries. Life is good. Or is some people once said: „Brussels is a Hell hole!!“

PMPICS_OF_URANUS

I mean better than what’s happening in most EU countries right now

Colonist25

well partially yes, in the EU people are getting more electrical cars, switching to heat pumps for houses etc. cost of oil is a real concern. i'm more worried that it'll push us into a massive recession. especially if more oil /gas infrastructure gets destroyed. interesting times.

Mr_Snow___

# Curaleaf to Aurora Cannabis: We want to buy you for $4/share **What happened:** Curaleaf announced today (Aug 11, 2026) an unsolicited takeover bid for Aurora Cannabis at US$4.00 per share — a 45% premium over Aurora's recent price of ~$2.75. The offer is structured as 0.3463 Curaleaf shares plus $0.75 cash per ACB share. No financing or due diligence conditions attached. Aurora responded same day: forming a special committee of independent directors to evaluate the offer and pushing back on Curaleaf's claim they refused private talks. Says their lead director spoke with Boris Jordan as recently as July 24. Classic hostile-to-friendly dance. ## THE DEAL STRUCTURE **The Offer:** $4/share = 45% premium over Aurora's 30-day VWAP, but 110% when you strip out Aurora's ~$149M in balance sheet cash (they're debt-free). So Curaleaf is essentially paying $2.75 for the operating business while also getting all that cash. **Cap at $5:** If Curaleaf stock surges before deal closes, offer value caps at $5/share to protect from dilution. But that cap still represents an 82% premium — and Aurora traded above $5 as recently as Dec 2025, so long-term holders would get wrecked by this cap. **No conditions:** No financing contingency, no due diligence out. Curaleaf is going in blind and committed. Once formal bid documents file with regulators, shareholders have 105 days to accept (standard Canadian takeover rules). ## THE TIMELINE | Date | Event | |------|-------| | June 23 | Curaleaf CEO Boris Jordan sends letter of intent to Aurora — NO financial terms included (per Aurora) | | July 7 | Follow-up letter includes the $4/share offer | | July 24 | Aurora's lead independent director speaks with Jordan; leaves door open for discussions | | Aug 11 morning | Curaleaf goes public: announces takeover bid after "repeated unsuccessful attempts" to engage privately | | Aug 11 afternoon | Aurora responds: forms special committee, denies refusing engagement | ## WHY CURALEAF WANTS THIS **EU-GMP capacity is the key.** Aurora has 50+ tons/year of EU-GMP certified cultivation (including recently acquired Safari Flower Company). That's a premium quality standard REQUIRED for European medical markets — extremely hard and expensive to build from scratch. Curaleaf only has three EU-GMP facilities in Portugal, Spain, and Canada. Combining Aurora's production with Curaleaf's distribution across Europe = vertical integration under one roof = immediate margin improvement through control over the whole supply chain. $40M annual cost synergies expected. Combined company: $1.5B+ LTM revenue, ~$350M Adjusted EBITDA, approaching $3B market cap, footprint in 17 countries. Plus ACB shareholders get U.S. exposure through Curaleaf if federal rescheduling happens (U.S. is a $32B legal cannabis market per BDSA). ## AURORA'S COUNTER-NARRATIVE Four key pushbacks from Aurora today: 1) **"We didn't refuse to engage"** — lead independent director spoke with Boris Jordan July 24, left door open for discussions 2) **The June letter had NO financial terms** — only the July 7 letter included the $4 offer, and neither specified cash/stock mix until today's public announcement 3) **The $5 cap is a problem** — Aurora traded above that as recently as Dec 2025 4) **We're building something here** — highlighted Safari Flower acquisition and EU-GMP expansion plans already in motion No decision made. Special committee evaluating options. Could negotiate up, could find a white knight, could go standalone.

No_Love_Gained

Boris says he's valuing ACB at 250-300 mil (usd) where as ACB was expecting around 550-600 mil based on share price in dec. So if this deal happens then I'd expect for it to land somewhere the middle. The important thing is to look out for the valuations of other smaller operators in CA with EU GMP certificate that now become acquisition targets if other MSOs are to follow Cura's playbook to enter europe.

Vlisa

This timeline starting to look like when you have an AI only EU4 game and let it run on auto for 400 years

mfairview

does look hostile: (Dow Jones) -- Curaleaf Holdings plans to launch a $272 million unsolicited takeover bid to acquire rival Canadian cannabis company Aurora Cannabis after its board repeatedly refused to negotiate an acquisition deal. Curaleaf is offering $4 a share for Aurora, representing a premium of more than 45% based on Aurora's 30-day volume weighted average price. "We will now take our proposal directly to Aurora shareholders because the premium is significant, the strategic rationale is compelling, and further delay is unjustified," Curaleaf Chief Executive Boris Jordan said Tuesday, adding that he was disappointed in Aurora's board's refusal to meet. The announcement sent Aurora's stock soaring 22% to 4.85 Canadian dollars ($3.48). The Stamford, Conn.-based maker of consumer cannabis products said it has made repeated attempts to engage Aurora's leadership, beginning with a formal letter to the company's CEO Miguel Martin, on June 23. After Aurora declined to negotiate and rejected a follow-up outreach in early July Curaleaf decided to take the offer directly to shareholders. Aurora wasn't immediately available for comment. The offer comes as Aurora grapples with mounting headwinds, especially in its Canadian medical and consumer cannabis segments. That weighed on fiscal first quarter revenue, which was down 8.9% to C$67.6 million. Aurora's stock has also faced pressure, falling about 44% in the past year before the start of trading on Tuesday. Jordan said the deal offers Aurora shareholders an opportunity to participate in a more diversified global platform and increase their exposure to U.S. regulatory tailwinds. Curaleaf expects a combined company to generate $1.5 billion in annual revenue, nearly $350 million in adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, and yield at least $40 million in annual cost synergies. "By combining Curaleaf's global distribution platform with Aurora's leading international medical cannabis franchise and EU-GMP cultivation and manufacturing capacity, we see significant potential to unlock value through substantial cost and revenue synergies," Jordan said. Curaleaf cautioned that no formal take-over bid has begun yet, and that it wasn't a certainty that the proposed offer will ultimately be made. Write to Adriano Marchese at [adriano.marchese@wsj.com](mailto:adriano.marchese@wsj.com) (END) Dow Jones Newswires

titaniumweedrock

Wondering what the synergies Curaleaf is thinking they are buying or if its strictly to have access to Aurora EU-GMP facility and a way to enter Europe from aggressively with US capital.

Melodic-District-856

You know I agree that’s a risk factor. But international markets have no adult use, and they require strict EU GMP certifications that will slow margin compression, this is not likely to happen in the same time frame it did in Canada

PatrickSebast

If there is one thing I can guarantee no major institution is considering - it is moving substantial money into the EU to mitigate risks.

rumoba_abomur

I do IT in the EU public sector and we’re swapping out old processes for UiPath automations. Before this, I was in banking IT using Control-M and CA7 to orchestrate and schedule everything—that was basically the core. I think AI agents + human oversight + scheduling + RPA is the future, and there is a shitload of money to be made here. Whether it’s UiPath or another software that wins, AI agent orchestration in distributed environments is about to replace a massive amount of office workers.

Charming_Raccoon4361

EU has no life or too much life

AbbaFuckingZabba

Would be funny if the EU sells Yen to buy Euro.

medicsansgarantee

Actually, China already put several (12?) supercomputers in orbit last year, plus they also put an experimental data center in the ocean this year ( in coastal water ) It's not impossible, just not profitable (yet). Their publicly listed space satellite companies? P/E ratios are always 100+ lol. And they didn't use super expensive Nvidia stuff either. The most advanced man made machine in space is the James Webb telescope (no Nvidia stuff there either lol), but it doesn't require much service or maintenance since it's at the Lagrange point far from Earth. Astronauts are usually engineers mostly, master's degree is like the minimum. So a lot of stuffs you said are just not really true... That said, I don't think Elon can do it. That guy's a tech guru hyping up all sorts of BS and selling snake oil. The real reason for data centers or supercomputers in orbit is actually part of future 6G infrastructure, 2030 is the expected first possible commercial date in US/EU/China. And Elon's got jack and shit on 6G lol , well he may be try to working on it like trying to buy companies that do that, like Ericsson and Nokia. Those companies are not profitable as well like burning cash you got better chance to make money in traditional telecom companies since 6G would still be mostly terrestrial.... and yeh in all likely the space assets will keep burning money like Elon rockets lol

PuffyPanda200

To me a lost decade is characterized by very low (or zero) inflation, low central bank rates, and very low GDP growth. Drawing a straight line from a point in the dot com bubble to a low after the US housing asset bubble (that was exacerbated by a poorly calculated risk of some EU member bonds) misses all the things that happened in-between. Your source is also just a grab bag of everything that happened in the 00s in economics. The statement is: >Some economists have labeled the decade a "lost decade" because there were "zero economic gains for the typical American family." This is much less definite than your comment makes it out to be.

gizamo

It's impressive that you managed to tell me that you know nothing about the US, EU, Iran, or Russia in such a short paragraph.

DONNIENARC0

Last time I looked EU's oil reserves were in pretty bad shape relative to the US, also. They'd seemingly get hit both harder and faster? AFAIK even Iran's allies (read: China) don't like this, though they're able to stomach the hit better than most.

fuentescoffee

Worth separating the two halves of this print before "record cannabis revenue" does the thinking for us. Cannabis segment came in at $53.5M with international export at $20.9M — call it \~39% of the segment. In Q1 that was $14.6M on $49.7M, or \~29%, if I'm reading the comparatives right. Back the subtraction out and the non-export book goes roughly $35.1M → $32.6M sequentially. So the domestic side looks like it shrank \~7% in a quarter that printed +27% consolidated. Every dollar of segment growth came from EU-GMP export, plus some. Same mix probably explains gross margin at 51% vs 42% — export carries the better margin, so that expansion reads more like mix shift than operating improvement. Not a knock, the export business is real. But it means the thing to watch next quarter is German/EU demand and the Netherlands + Delta 2 timelines, not Canadian sell-through. Did anyone on the call get the exact domestic split? I'm backing into it from segment totals and I'd rather use their number than mine.

FoodCooker62

Yo this is a pretty big report. 6 cents of GAAP EPS. Gross margin expansion from 42% to 51%. $21M of international sales (up 74% year over year) while on the early edge of a 40 ton production increase is a very strong number. $73 million in cash, this nearly covers their total liabilities. Current assets is almost 150% of total liabilities. Tangible book value of almost exactly the share price while growing and maintaining strong GAAP profitability.  The quarter also seemingly validates CEOs commentary that their 100% EU GMP strategy builds a moat against price compression. Also of note is the very strong GAAP profitability while they are the only LP paying income taxes. All this while paying 60 million annually in excise taxes as well. If they can continue the scale-up and also maintain current profitability, the 200 million enterprise value will not remain there for long. Blue chip cannabis stock if there ever was one.

Koakie

Part of putin's objective is to destroy the EU without firing a single shot. Just the threat of one day attacking an EU memberstate has the EU scrambling to raise taxes or cut social programs to finance the military build up. The cost of living is a big burden on a lot of people. They feel their living standards decline. Populism is rising. All the eu right-wing parties have russian ties and/or backing. Their goal is to drive the EU apart. They manufactured a migrant crisis in a Spanish enclave and the cracks in the EU unity started showing.

No-Pea-1560

Big doo-doo is in your head. The "central banks fear confiscation" narrative is logically inconsistent. The ~$300bn in frozen Russian reserves was held largely in EU jurisdiction (Euroclear, Belgium) — an EU decision. By that logic, EU government bonds should have collapsed too, since they carry the same "freeze risk." They haven't.

Whipitreelgud

Nike needs to unwind a lot of management fat, especially in the EU and Beaverton. They have lost the connection of the brand to the consumer and are showing zero signs of regaining it. Meanwhile their apparel is over priced and under performing.

djlorenz

As an European I want to really thank Trump. I never paid attention on where things are made, now I try to buy European as much as possible. I also opened a small business as a secondary income, and i'm trying to move my whole product to made in EU

Brave_Nerve_6871

Regular tariff (also known as "tax", a scary word for "conservatives", probably why they avoid using it) for goods coming into the EU area in my old line of work was usually 2.7%. Totally different level to Trump's tariffs. Before Trump, US would also have tariffs of about 2.5% for most imports.

Mobile-Bar7732

Biden dropped tarrifs on EU steel and increased tarrifs on EVs and semiconductors from China. Biden also created the chip act to give $52 billion to companies to boost US chip manufacturing. Trump canceled the chip act because "Biden".

NaiveMercury

We're getting new banknotes in the EU and half of the proposed designs have birds on them wtf 😭

lobeams

You place too much faith in an ER. The volatility on EU is quite high, so you paid for a lot of volatility when you bought those calls. As soon as that ER is released that volatility will vanish, and the price of the options will fall significantly. That's IV crush. You don't seem to be aware of it so you might want to read up.

segfaulting

2008 wasn't a bond issue it was real estate in the U.S. The 2014 sovereign debt crisis in EU is the exact situation we're talking about. That's when countries like Greece got bailed out but that's the problem... It's a lot easier to bail out a small country like Greece for a few hundred billion than it is for the U.S. at 40 trillion. Nobodies going to be there to save us from ourselves when shits hits the fan.

ShittyUsernane1222

the issue is if US runs out of ammunition and petroleum reserves due to wasting it on Iran, Russia might begin eyeing up more EU countries due to US tripwires becoming toothless and EU right now is remilitarizing too little, too late. fuck.

thechangboy

I think that's very fortunate for the EU, at this point it's nice to not have a huge exposure to US treasuries

Franz_Broseph

Are you moving the goalposts now? Since we’re doing that - us energy and semiconductor funds outperformed EUFN. lol @ this Eurocuck trying to compare the EU economy to America’s.

Sufficient_Habit5091

Lmao no, overall EU inflation for their citizens was not worse than the US. What fantasy world are you living in.

Sure_Let6170

\> There's a reason they have can have low rates without tanking their currency. You are aware that EU had worse aggregate inflation during & after covid than dollar had, right?

DMOOre33678

The US is more relevant than the EU 😂. Also your standard of living in the EU is not much different from the US

ThinkBigger01

Can you give examples of stable EU bonds that yield 6-7%? Live in EU so would like to know.

IronyElSupremo

Many wealthier investors will actually own more bonds than common stock as, like a lottery winner, .. why risk it all again? They’ll go for the best deal and taxes are a consideration (see US municipal bond mkt) .. but some stable EU and EM bonds are 6%-7% according to Reider this AM. The stock index returns \~ 10% on avg but no guarantees. Source: Tiger 21 wealth club surveys .. the vast majority of redditors aren’t invited

DrHeidelbaerg

Can y’all US peasants stop dumping AMD on market open? It was all good when only EU was open

Artistic_Concern_33

lol the funny thing is the US considered this and it was less riskier to let EU dump US treasuries than to let Japan dump it, unfortunately the EU doesn’t own that much US treasuries compared to Japan and the UK

Vuiz

As a European working government IT, most other agencies I've talked with are *done* with Atlassian and will migrate away from it once on-prem solutions are gone. Of course I cannot speak for all of the EU.

PooInTheStreet

Wishful thinking. EU is the real less relevant nation by every day. At least i spill my shit from bottles because of the fucking attached cap

-Superman-Returns

Nowadays US and EU stocks going different direction.

-Superman-Returns

When EU software stocks goes up then same goes with US. Same with Semi, tourism stocks etc. Today buy software, sell semi.

-Superman-Returns

EU software stocks up, Semi down. Lol stupid retail overnight buying opposite stocks from Us maket

BatteryAcid420_

Letting China run your domestic car production out of business because China is cheaper sounds like the opposite of supply chain management. Even if it were real cost savings, which considering CO2 taxes and how China keeps production costs low, they‘re not, then that lower cost would have to be guaranteed long term if you talk about a benefit for people. Which it is not because China is selling at the expense of their people. China can‘t keep inflation down if they actually sell good products, while price advantage is the only reason their cars are selling (not saying they‘re bad products, but the price difference is their USP). The result of that is you can end up with products that you could‘ve built domestically for the same price and instead give the jobs and income to another country. For example you could make that arguement for Europe if Tesla had a superior product and the US was a dependable ally for Europe. But the EU goves above and beyond that and rewards lobbyism by subsidizing their competition. If it wasn‘t Tesla we would get cheaper quality products at least, but since it‘s Elon it‘s just insane. TL;DR It‘s perfectly fine to protect your industry when they face unnatural competition. Really strange that your comment got upvoted, it only makes sense because of Elon, his future products are not worth protecting, and his factories don‘t just employ but electrocute people. If we were talking about Chevrolet and Ford and you had some pride in your national manufacturing it would be an easy to understand matter of fact. Thanks to Elon I see your point though.

CaptainApeCommander

HTZ will run even more when EU wakes up this thibg isnt stopping

Sure_Let6170

"international is beating US" = recent hype in korean RAM makers, and last year's hype in european military manufacturing? That's not sustainable beat. Look at EU military stocks today, and guess what will be kospi's chart in 1 year. And if you think US is broke, just look at EU, Japan or China.

harrison_wintergreen

Europe is shifting away from many of those 'aggressive' climate actions. IMO it's typical arrogant neo-colonialist European twaddle. they still can't accept losing their overseas colonies, so European nations use things like the EU, climate policy or the International Criminal Court as tools to maintain their empires and exert control over brown people and the poors. Europeans congratulate themselves for their forward looking green energy policies, while they exploit Russian natural gas and then from Africa after the Ukraine invasion.

Proudrugby

Tbf...you're in the minority. Biggest % of the US population don't have full health insurance and 15 days annual leave is miniscule compared to most EU countries. Not really a fair comparison

Etherius

No. Have you seen EU economic growth over the last 10-20 years?

jer_nyc84

Was I not clear in my reply that it is highly dependent on where you work and that I wasn’t saying it was the same as EU? Your initial statement made it seem as if every company over here doesn’t give the benefits you called out - which is simply untrue. 🤷‍♂️

Desperate-Hearing-55

"Depends on where you work". Don't think I need to say more. EU is written in laws that all companies must follow. What you have means nothing if it's not written in US laws that all companies must follow. I didn't even brought up anti union US.

-Superman-Returns

And most EU stocks has far lower PE than US stocks.

TimelyBodybuilder121

Ok, maybe we are near the top if EU stocks are actually doing well.

SnooHedgehogs5162

EU stock market performs well due to lack of tech stocks.

Brief_Challenge_1163

17 minutes to go - come on EU now is your chance le do la ley do dey

ScarletHarpy93

Mango has done the impossible. He's united Korea, Iran, the EU, and China into tanking US market futures.

Melodic-District-856

Medical only markets are more strict, consumer cannabis is a long time off in Germany. EU GMP is a bottleneck, and GMP washing is getting shut down. I like aurora for the next 8 quarters

Melodic-District-856

EU GMP is going to seperate the men from the boys in this industry, Canadian market is saturated. International is the way

Sandvicheater

So the EU so desperate to be 100% EV by a certain year decided to open the flood gates of cheap Chinese cars and now their own domestic car manufacturers are getting killed in a sales war. Talk about shotgunning your own feet.

Wide_Lock_Red

The US didnt know it had these deserves either until it did serious exploration effort, that the EU simply hasnt done.

gotcree

The play, is to invest in an Canadian LP who is expanding their current EU-GMP flower capacity. Learn the ins and outs, take their SOPs and start doing the same thing at their facilities down south. After full rescheduling and SAFE Banking, MSOs will start buying the big Canadian LPs who are EU-GMP and have established distribution. And it’ll go the other way around too, a few big well capitalized Canadian LPs will start buying MSOs.

gotcree

MSOs have no idea how arduous the EU-GMP certification process really is. None of their facilities are built-out to any GACP/EU-GMP specs at the moment. That alone is a $2M-$5M opex investment. They'd still need to get an EU company to sponsor them, they'd send over their own QP, after they've been vetted then they would go to an EU regulator i.e. Germany via one of the various states. Each state is different and have their own, Cologne is very difficult but considered the gold standard. Even then if they were to get to that point, they are so backed up with other companies in Canada and abroad they're backed up 12-18 months before they could make their first visit and assessment. If it get's passed that and there's no major fixes, they'd send someone back again for the final inspection. If it get's past that it'll be another 90 days from there. U.S. regs are still a moving piece at the moment, you have to register with the DEA, get audited by them, approved etc., then move along the process. DEA has mutual recognition with a lot of EU countries, but medical cannabis in Europe only care that you're EU-GMP certified, they're beginning to crack down hard of GMP washing from Portugal. U.S. is 5 years away minimum before any type of exporting in my opinion.

chuckleote10

Perfection. Thanks a lot. Unfortunately can’t trade in that type of market as per EU laws (some of them are shite)

jmu_alumni

States: Why is Trulieve pouring millions into flipping FL rec? They clearly believe this is an opportunity. Europe: Why is Curaleaf pouring millions into building out their EU business? They clearly believe this is an opportunity with growth, and has proven to grow year over year. Hemp: I do agree most will not be reallocated to dispo. But some will. Even if just 10% that is big. Also less competition, driving prices up. Consolidation: Agreed, not organic growth. But also if enough consolidation another supply demand further away from break even market

StandardOtherwise302

Brussels doesnt have the fiscal resources to match either. The economic issues in EU are in part due to green and energy policy, but also in larger part due to other issues. Not being a true single market and the EU budget and powers ultimately being very limited are some of those.

-mini-kuma

Pleasantly surprised to see interest for Siemens Energy on here. Currently at the widest gap between price and target valuation in 12 months so bought one more EU share lol

wrong_shoes

**TL;DR** The European climate policies aren't about long-term resilience and have never taken economic competitiveness into account in any meaningful way. They are a bigoted, ideological choice, and all the economic rationale has been stitched together *ad hoc* to fit the narrative. Even questioning it is a political taboo reserved for the far-right basket. The fact that the first response to any criticism is still "if we do nothing no one will and the world will burn" speaks volumes. I am not against going renewable. The problem is the *policy*. We could have started building a true continental supergrid, north to south, to exploit wind in the North Sea and balance its volatility with sun in the Mediterranean (still largely underused), using nuclear for baseload and low-production periods. This takes decades. Instead, the prevailing doctrine was *go neutral fast, not good*. As if companies wouldn't simply delocalise to more accommodating countries while we keep importing their products, leaving total emissions unchanged. The arguments for long-term economic resilience are laughable. Solar is approaching physical limits and the entire supply chain is owned by China.  Any European "breakthrough" in the lab is meaningless if we cannot manufacture it at scale, and we can't. Wind innovation over the last decade? Bigger blades, taller towers, windier places, deeper water. Floating turbines are not new, commercial deployment is still marginal and with serious critical challenges. In any case, you cannot patent "put it where it's windy."  Research money is being poured into integrating these sources into grids that were never designed for them. Wind and solar output is somewhat predictable, but not dispatchable. Frequency stability from inverter-based generation is not what synchronous machines provide; as renewable penetration rises, ["this buffering function weakens... a given loss of generation produces a steeper rate of change of frequency, reducing the time available for corrective action."](https://www.paradigmpress.org/jpeps/article/download/1962/1814/2206)  Yes, the levelised cost per kWh looks cheap. But has anyone calculated the real installed capacity needed to power 100% of demand 100% of the time with zero backup? The battery cost? [Batteries](https://www.polinovelbess.com/info/grid-scale-battery-storage-2026-costs-technolo-103489640.html) are not there yet for that role.  What is the opportunity cost of all this research, land, and capital? What about reliability? A distributed grid is more resilient to a local substation attack, but a system-wide blackout in a low-inertia, inverter-dominated continent is a different beast. Re-energising a dead grid requires sustained, stable power to rebuild voltage and frequency. Good luck black-starting Europe with batteries. In a fully renewable system, you might genuinely need to wait for a favourable weather window to bootstrap the grid back to life. And the costs are only rising. The cheapest onshore sites are saturated. Look at the maps for the offshore capacity Europe claims it needs: vast swathes of the North Sea covered in steel. Does anyone believe these deep-water installations will cost the same as a turbine ten miles off the coast? Denmark is planning artificial islands to generate hydrogen from excess wind, store it, and reconvert it later. It is true that a fully renewable Europe is possible—on paper. In practice it requires gargantuan, unprecedented projects, and we are being asked to bet our energy reliability on them. Convince me this is environmentally superior to a uranium mine and a concrete block. Like it or not, the Green Deal is gutting the continent's competitiveness. We are dismantling a working, reliable, relatively cheap energy system purely for ideology. Climate change is real. Carbon emissions are real. And there is one country in Europe that has had cheap, reliable, clean energy for decades: [France](http://analysesetdonnees.rte-france.com/en/annual-review-2025/ghg-emissions). Its grid emits **19.6 gCO₂/kWh**; the EU average is **175 gCO₂/kWh**.  In 2024, there was not a single hour when Germany's grid was cleaner than France's.  If climate activists actually cared about driving down emissions *and* keeping industry competitive, they would be demanding nuclear expansion alongside a diversified mix. They oppose it because, ideologically, they are children of the anti-nuclear movements of the 1970s. The evidence is in the lawbooks: Germany shut its last reactors in 2023; Switzerland voted to phase out; Spain is closing plants; Belgium only reversed its nuclear ban in May 2025 because the crisis became unbearable.  This is not a technology debate. It is a political religion. Meanwhile, China and the US are using cheap, abundant energy to build tech industries and AI. China is adding wind, solar, nuclear, *and* coal because if you are a developing nation, fossil fuels are still the fastest way to add gigawatts to your grid.  It is also building high-speed electric public transport, exploiting its battery production and domestic EV market. At the same time, Europe has taken the few sectors where it was genuinely dominant and scattered them with unrealistic, arbitrary goals ike banning internal combustion engines by 2035. A target so economically illiterate that it has already been [walked back ](https://www.mobilityglobal.com/en-us/automotive-insights/blog/europe-shifts-into-reverse-on-eu-2035-ice-ban)to a 90% reduction with hybrid and e-fuel loopholes.  Brussels now blames the car industry for "underinvesting" in electric, as if staying dominant in a sector costs nothing, and as if Chinese state-subsidised competition plays by the same rules. The EU's industrial electricity prices are roughly [double](https://www.iea.org/reports/electricity-2026/prices) those in the US and **50% above** China's.  [Energy-intensive production has fallen](https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2025/06/a-comprehensive-overview-of-the-energy-intensive-industries-ecosystem_ceb6bd58/bbf7d4c2-en.pdf) by **12.4%** since 2021. This is not a transition. It is a managed decline, dressed in green.

NaiveMercury

They gave me 3 months (standard in EU), but "I am required to fulfill my duties during this period" Which means I just let Claude do everything in the background while I waste the time

Sick0h

Unfortunately, EU will sell tonight. S&P up over 2% in 2 months. That’s well outside their window of risk tolerance.

321654987321654987

Europe can and probably will, and they have with Chinese cars. Unfortunately many EU car manufacturers are really struggling. Now this is not only due to Chinese cars being for sale there but it doesn't help. And the EU is an order of magnitude below the US in innovation.

Samjabr

Because it's expensive as shit to grow a cutting edge business? That doesn't mean they aren't good at it. If someone wants something put into space - they don't have much choice other than SpaceX: Companies, India, The EU, Japan, S.Korea, etc. all use SpaceX. If they achieve economies of scale, and assuming Starship is functional in the next 1-2 years, the cost of launches will plummet, and accrue to SPCX's bottom line

Quick_Ad1472

Fuck man, can someone ELI5 ? (EU citizen here, dont know what you yankees do there, but I want this for myself!)

thewimsey

> If you believe you have the ability to beat the market with your decision-making (for example by "having a bigger bias in the US market") The problem with this framing is that ex-US markets have (sometimes strikingly) different securities laws as well as different companies and market environments. *As an investor*, what you want is not just for a company to be successful, but for the company's success to translate to an appropriately increased stock price. And the extent to whether this happens depends a lot of the securities laws of the country (as well as things like corruption). A lot of securities laws, for example, even in the EU, are focused on protecting the company management and insiders *from* investor pressure; the US (and some other countries, also in and out of the EU) tends to take the position that the shareholders are the owners and so their interests need to be put first, above management and other insiders. In Germany, companies have to have labor representatives on the supervisory board (this is a board the is over the board of directors); they are required to have either 1/3 of the members elected by the workers (I think if the company is under 2000 employees), and 50% if it is over 2000 employees). There are a lot of reasons why this might be a good idea...but as a shareholder, do you think it will increase or decrease the value of your shares. Similarly, Korean and Japanese securities laws are designed to allow for the creation of large conglomerates, like Samsung. And, obviously, the massive gains that some Chinese companies have made has generally not been reflected in equally massive gains for shareholders of those companies. So I think it's a category error to consider the global equity market as *one* market; it's really a number of markets with some similarities and some significant differences. Choosing to invest in the US and not, say, Germany, is not the same as choosing to invest in Google and not Meta. Google and Meta are actually in the same market, where the same laws apply. German companies are in a different market, with different laws. (This doesn't mean that you *shouldn't* invest in German companies. Necessarily. It just means that "international indexing" is not the same as indexing in one market because, well, it's not really one big haystack.

AyaDvayaya

Ich bin echt gespannt was das wird ich habe die Aktie selber mehr als fallen sehen bin sehr überrascht dass sie jetzt kurz vor der haltefrist Ende noch so wieder zulegt muss auch ganz ehrlich sagen ich würde die Aktie realistisch um die 75 € sehen und habe jetzt irgendwie das Gefühl dass das jetzt noch ein bisschen länger dauern wird bis die Aktie da ist. Das was halt wirklich die Aktie noch sehr belastet und so sind die ganzen Strafen von der EU wegen xai jugendschutz und so weiter das sind ja alles Sachen deswegen bin ich da noch mehr auf die earnings gespannt wie alles andere

EfficiencyIVPickAx

Mag7 "capex" is just the circle of trust figuring out how to invent new money by exotic Enron loans to the other cock holders. They are printing their own money. It's no longer an economy. The rest of our economy is propped up on a wobbly stool of government handouts (agriculture), trade protection measures, and monitary manipulation (buying ¥ from our largest debt holder, fucking the EU). This doesn't end well.

REEMFMetalHead

Entered EU, 1.14

Wide_Lock_Red

The EU isnt that far behind on debt, and its going to have a much harder time paying it back with its higher average age and lower birth rate.

Wide_Lock_Red

Well a lot of that is EU countries heavily regulated extraction. There are fossil fuel reserves, but political pressure and regulation have limited their use

Fit-Practice5159

Binary options in EU region! I mean like PocketOption, with flat payouts. But something that it is regulated, so our money are safe.

aka0007

US and EU is a $60T economy. China and India are at $25T.

aka0007

There are patent courts and treaties covering this. Assuming you can prove you case there will be injunctions issued in the EU. As to China or Russia... I have no clue.

Atlas-Scrubbed

The EU also imports a very large fraction of its energy supplies.

Moddingspreee

Amazon going down in EU markets 💀

Lanky_Airport

Fresenius Medical Care: it’s down 8% in today’s EU session, main reason being overpanic. I am buying ATM call expiring in a couple of months.

limitbreakse

Simply put Europe has too many embedded interests in creating all this bureaucracy and complexity. Every new directive creates work for lawyers and consultants that revel in making it as complicated as possible. The goals the EU sets forward are good. But the way they are then implemented are a disaster. Still better than living in the post capitalist shithole the US is, respectfully. Unless you’re rich there.

grimston

What the EU is doing makes sense because it's run by democratically elected officials, and there is an overwhelming majority of the EU population that wants us to tackle climate change. Go read any polls. This is how a democracy should work and net neutrality has been set into law for 2050. So it isn't a question of IF we decarbonise, but HOW we decarbonise. And a carbon price is the most economically efficient way of doing so.

grimston

This absolutely What these commenters are missing is that EU27 has no cheap fossil fuels, we can't just "turn on the cheap fossil fuel tap", it isn't that simple for us. The only way we get cheap energy is if we produce a lot of renewables. The EU has been at an energy price disadvantage forever and this is our only way out of that hole

CptnTryhard

Spoken like a true American who thinks Europe© is one single country and all of Europe is in EU 😂

BlueLem0n

For now i can be seen as a disadvantage, because companies are investing to become low carbon, but the theory is that when th energy cost will go up (for example with fossil fuel being less available) or that climate adaptation will be required, european industries will suffer less than other countries that didn’t try to reduce energy consuption or decarbonize it Also, european policy apply to the value chain too, so if a company try to reduce his Scope 3 GHG emission, it will try to do it at supplier level and it should have a more global beneficial effect But the major flaw with what EU is trying to do, is that, contrary to China, they want to use the market to regulate and make the decision to choose the most resiliant companies, but markets are not rational and often don’t try to value long term ROI. So the change to make are more important than what is currently happening, of course it’s easier in an planified economy, i don’t know if it’s possible in a free market economy. Maybe read « Net Positive Company » by Paul Polman is you want to have an example of what is the narrative of a sustainable company

Taranfeeto36

> They blew up their nuclear Reminder that the share of nuclear energy in the EU is [23%](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-elec-by-source?tab=discrete-bar&time=latest&country=~OWID_EU27). For comparison the US is at [17%](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-elec-by-source?tab=discrete-bar&time=latest&country=~USA), China is at [4.6%](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-elec-by-source?tab=discrete-bar&time=latest&country=~CHN)