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Summary of closing arguments from Spirit/Jetblue vs DOJ case.
What happens to $SAVE if JetBlue merger is blocked by DOJ?
$SAVE JetBlue + Spirit Merger Arb Summary up til now
Why is $SAVE training at a near 90% Discount?
Frontier Air upgraded at Raymond James following fare analysis (NASDAQ:ULCC)
Frontier (ULCC) - Earnings Report Postmortem
First time owning a stock when the company has a merger...
Cramer on ULCC Frontier Holdings MOON SHOT
Spirit ends merger deal with Frontier, will continue talks with JetBlue
ULCC trolling: buying a flight for less than the price of a share of SAVE!
Go long $ULCC to fuck merger arb investors + make money
Spirit management prefers Frontier despite JetBlue giving a much better offer! Shares are falling
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Frontier Airlines long or $SAVE +$ULCC merger play
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We can Now Make Money On Airlines $ULCC
ULCC/ Frontier Airlines getting slammed?
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That wasn’t due to fuel prices to be fair though. They’ve been bankrupt for years. Being an ULCC is a really fine balancing act and they tipped too far.
Your thesis is correct. So long as you believe in the ULCC model. They are Americas Greenest Airline and it’s not because they recycle pop cans. It’s because they have the most fuel efficient fleet in the country. So high gas prices actually don’t hurt them as much as the competition. Cheapest labor contracts in the industry by a large margin. And there are you two highest costs in the daily operation of an airline. New CEO Dempsey turned down a couple dozen airplanes over the next 2 years and has committed to higher utilization of its current fleet to cut down on lease costs and increase their RASM. They have the lowest CASM in the industry. Stock up 32% this week.
$ULCC has earnings on the 5th. 25% of their operating costs is fuel (pre strait closure) now, jet fuel costs literally double. However, With Spirit closing it makes sense to see them picking up a lot of the market share. Because this is the casino I’m truly confused on where this is going to go
You couldn’t pay me to touch an aviation stock. Especially an ULCC. It’s one of the least downturn proof industries. Now the US freight railroads. I have NSC. Always something moving. No matter the economy.
People who celebrate this news are demented. Spirit serves as ULCC which provides pressure for bigger airlines to not inflate their prices. with Spirit going down, there will likely be a price increase for alot of routes.
The last administration's DOJ stopped the merger with JetBlue because the resulting entity would be JetBlue. Removing Spirit would thus give Frontier an almost total monopoly on American ULCC market segment. Of course, JetBlue isn't doing too hot either, so there's no guarantee that a merger would have helped. United is already eyeing up to buy JetBlue.
Allegiant. Or do you not see them as an ULCC?
Well, allowing them to merge would mean there's only one ULCC (Frontier) in the market. Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but at the time, the government did try to maintain competition in the market.
ULCC serve a real purpose. Without Spirit and other ULCC’s like frontier the big 3 would not be pushed as hard to cut costs.
completely incorrect lmao you have no clue what the repercussions of this would actually be. sure let’s reduce competition even further and let spirit fail so customers who already can’t pay are forced to fly legacy carriers who can charge however much they’d like with the absence of yet another ULCC
They do have a point on the Biden comment, the ULCC business model is dying and Biden blocked them from merging into another similarly sized carrier with a more traditional model.
ULCC was a great buy 3 weeks back
Is every tanker specified as a ULCC? Many could be handysize in the 300k range, some could be VLCC in the 1.2m range.
My source is the cbc (link above) Their source is porteconomicsmanagement.org. VLCC carries ~2,000,000 barrels. ULCC carries ~3,000,000 barrels.
#TLDR --- **Ticker:** AAL, ULCC, AALG (with a side of TQQQ & SOXL) **Direction:** Up (Buying the dip) **Prognosis:** Scale into AAL and ULCC shares on weakness. If AAL drops to $9.98, sell it to leverage up into AALG (2x Daily AAL ETF) for the bounce. **Risk Management:** Setting aside exactly $10,125 for the "Reserve for mines + tanker sunk" scenario (Stage 5 of the spreadsheet). **Irony Level:** Extremely High. "Let's make some bread (safely)" while planning to pivot a $365k portfolio into 2x leveraged airline ETFs and triple-leveraged tech (TQQQ/SOXL) during an oil crisis.
>Based on a google search, a typical ship holds 70k barrels I also googled it now and the 70,000 number you've taken is the very bottom of the scale for the smallest class of tanker. Tanker Size Classifications & Capacities * **ULCC (Ultra-Large Crude Carrier):** 320,000–550,000 DWT+; capacity >3 million barrels. * **VLCC (Very Large Crude Carrier):** 200,000–320,000 DWT; capacity 2 million barrels. * **Suezmax:** 120,000–200,000 DWT; capacity 1 million barrels. * **Aframax:** 80,000–120,000 DWT; capacity 500,000–800,000 barrels. * **Panamax** **:** 60,000–80,000 DWT; capacity 350,000–500,000 barrels. * **Medium Range (MR) Product Tanker:** 190,000–345,000 barrels. * **General Purpose (GP) Product Tanker:** 70,000–190,000 barrels The ships going to and from the biggest oil depots in the world aren't the smallest of the small as you can imagine and are generally high end of the scale.
Everybody seems to just fly Frontier nowadays. Calls on ULCC?
An Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC), which can approach 3–4 million barrels, could in theory exceed the Deepwater Horizon release if it were fully loaded and catastrophically lost.
My only stock that’s up is $ULCC frontier LMFAO
Anyone eying $ULCC today? Thoughts?
Don’t care. I’m out. Have some ULCC/AAL not going to mess with anything cheaper. Spirit is radioactive of course.
$ULCC High SI and Earnings Monday
I'm in too, but I think $ULCC will move too.its Frontier Airlines and they have an earnings report on Monday. https://preview.redd.it/3o76xwe97gxf1.jpeg?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40428e958fd2c2e8be81663e351d1a17f1237102
$ULCC = high short interest with earnings on Monday https://preview.redd.it/phergbtu6gxf1.jpeg?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68402bbe3a7cc4cd5fdbadda04e837b038bf3503
$ULCC Frontier Airlines Squeeze Monday ULCC Frontier Airlines 228 m outstanding shares 63% insider owned 39% inst owned 84 m float 29% short float 5.6 short ratio 42 RSI Earnings on Monday Wondering if there is potential of a squeeze. Thoughts?
ULCC (frontier) is going to short squeeze. hope you make money.
I made it into ULCC @$5.70, those were all looking so damn good. I’m feeling alright about holding ULCC for the weekend I just wish is would go up a bit after I bought 😅
I mean it doesn’t take much to look at the balance sheets and cash flows of both airlines and see that JetBlue really shouldn’t have been trying to spend 4 billion on a struggling ULCC (a dying business model since basic economy on legacy airlines) with expensive assets and what, Fort Lauderdale as a hub? It was a shit decision and a desperate move to begin with, cheaper to just wait for Spirit to die and pick up the pieces in BK court.
is ULCC due for a short squeeze? Over 100% held by insider and institutions while near a 30% of float short.
Build a Suez style canal through Oman and you do not need the straight. Even better build a pipeline to the Arabian sea and you have no more pinch point. You could load ULCC docked on the Arabian Sea side of Oman no more Iran problem.
Frontier Group (ULCC) is currently trading near its 52-week low, hovering around $3.43 compared to its high of over $10. This significantly reduced price might represent an attractive entry point for investors looking to capitalize on a potential rebound. With its strategic focus on ultra-low-cost travel and recent aggressive expansion into new routes, Frontier is positioning itself for future growth, making its current depressed stock price an appealing "buy low" scenario for those optimistic about the airline industry's recovery.
I’m not changing the subject. Iran closes the straight sinks a ULCC to accentuate their displeasure.. the US is tasked with re-opening the straight under arms. They can not do that by air power alone.. so they have to be there in the straight or near to it to provide protection and presence to “keep the straight operational”. It would be a good day for the navy if and when the Iranians decide to contest to re-opening.
You know airport alone doesn’t win a war right? Besides all they have to do is make it that ships can’t be insured and that is a defacto closure. Sinking a ULCC wouldn’t even be necessary.
So now I held and I can only close the position now on Robinhood since now it’s a OTC what do you think happens with this stock, am I out my $160 or it could rise one day and sell / close the position anyone else in this same position and held past Monday??? Or am I just dumb and should have took the $20 it eventually ended Monday at I’m now currently at about $30ish Tuesday still down about 80% or will this stock just go away but I remember SAVE stock when it was delisted to OTC as SAVEQ it eventually was merged with ULCC and jumped from sub 0.20 to 0.45 off that news am I just waiting for a company to come and buy/merge with DMN for a run above 0.01 where I’d sell out and take my money back or is this just hope lol I really need to stop gambling on penny stocks lol
An airline with a large exposure to international business or the ULCC
That’s only because the big three use a hub and spoke system which has frequency built into the schedule. Everything is fine on Spirit and frontier until a cancellation hits. The network schedule for a ULCC is route to route (chasing revenue), so they are not equipped to handle cancellations like the big 3 without the frequency built into the schedule. It’s also why they can offer you a $10 one way ticket as opposed to $300. Once you understand this, flying either carrier is fine.
After the NEA break down AAL won’t want to acquire them. Too much debt and too much overlap from an acquisition standpoint. The alliance made sense to allow AAL to shift capacity as they wanted to reduce their own in the NE. UAL has a weird overlay with JBLU. Network wise, their overlap is advantageous from an extension standpoint - UAL has EWR and IAD, JBLU has JFK and DCA. East-West there’s not much overlap as JBLU focuses on west coast and UAL has a hub in DEN. So building hub/spoke would be a whole effort while also losing slots in JFK and DCA most likely. DAL already has a base in Boston. They also have LGA and JFK slots. So getting JBLU would probably see a loss of slots. I’m more convinced LUV will target Breeze if anything. It’s small and fits the strategy of not using major airports the best. Adding a major hub/spoke operation to the more decentralized LUV model would be a major effort. Air travel is run at a loss and really are just credit card companies in disguise. The new lounges and their Amex cards should keep them afloat to attract cardholders to create spend. At some point they probably will need to reorg but unless Frontier really wants to get into the CC more, I don’t see a viable buyer at this time. The legacy carriers are too big and weighed down, and the ULCC run too bare bones to add on JBLU’s operation.
I’ve been buying most of the morning. CCL BAC ULCC Will be bagging money in the next few years on those.
ULCC earnings call tomorrow. Big news coming apparently... Spirit merger/acquisition?
ULCC and SAVE proposing a merger....again. Probably the beginning of a lot of backlogged M&A being acted on.
🤦🏻♀️ hope you dont have any ULCC stock too.
>Spirit will reorganize and run a better business With almost certainly higher prices. So therefore less competition in the ULCC space. >or they ll fail and liquidate In which case there is even less competition in the airline industry. Both scenarios result in less competition, especially in the space Khan and Garland were supposedly defending. Both results are worse for consumers.
ULCC backed out of a merger with SAVE. I have a feeling they might come back to the conversation as an acquisition.
ULCC is doing pretty well, been in it since 4$
The irony is the DOJ shot down the merger with JetBlue because they didn’t want to eliminate a ULCC. And now since they didn’t let Spirit merge, they eliminated a ULCC. And JetBlue might be next…
And now the ULCC system will completely cease to exist. Job well done judge.
Nah - it doesn’t go through either. Eliminates tons of competition on routes and eliminates the entire competition in the ULCC category. I don’t see any spirit merger that would not have been murdered. Remember - the judge literally said any spirit customer who might pay more was enough for him to kill it. Spirit never had a chance. I’m firmly of the opinion the only reason Hawaii/Alaska merger was allowed was the fallout from seeing spirit wasn’t full of shit about struggling and needing to merge, and seeing the potential fall out.
Well. Sitting on 100 ULCC $7c for Friday. Let’s fucking go!🚀🚀🚀
ULCC taking back that gap. Poors gotta fly🚀
Exactly. Spirit CEO urged shareholders to not accept the JetBlue offer and to take the lower Frontier offer specifically due to DOJ concerns. Frontier is also ULCC.
So…I’m guessing ULCC doesn’t want them after all?
Update Investing.com-- Frontier Airlines (NASDAQ:ULCC) is considering a renewed bid for peer Spirit Airlines Inc (NYSE:SAVE) as the latter continues discussions with debtholders over a potential bankruptcy filing, the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday. The two have been in recent discussions over a potential takeover, although no definitive agreement has been reached, the WSJ report said. Any deal will likely happen as part of Spirit’s potential bankruptcy.
Looks like I’m buying back the ULCC 8$ calls I sold and diamond handing the $7.
I almost did yesterday but went with ULCC calls instead 
ULCC has anyone been following?? bought the dip up 30%
My ULCC stonks this morning 📈
Play it. You're thinking about it all wrong. Here's why its going to go up: 1. "Too big to fail" - they've got lots of domestic destinations to fly to (therefore if they bankrupt and have to sell their assets, I'm confident their realty spots in the airports are up for grabs ($$)). But if they do fail, the US will bail them out. What happens then? STOCK BUY BACKS. Leading to stock value increasing. Buy now, don't be a regard. 2. The lowest ULCC - have you been on one of their flights recently? In 2018 I took over 100 of their flights. It was ALWAYS packed up the ass on every flight. Even standby passengers were not guaranteed to fly each time. The U.S. NEEDs a shitty ULCC to fly people who can't afford economy flights from other carriers. 3. Everyone knows you get what you buy. This isn't a surprise. This is the only ULCC that customers still argue with agents before flying to having to pay for a carryon. 4. Somehow, despite how inexpensive the flights are, #SAVE is often one of the most reliable flights to take. It departs on time, arrives on time. I've rarely have a delay. But you know what, why isn't this stock the next GME fiasco? Who isn't trying to short this stock? Why won't the stock go up? Source: bought 3k today.
Justice department killed the merger with JetBlue because it would result in less competition but guess what, now you just bankrupted one of the remaining ULCC. Great work everyone! 🤡🤡🤡
Get your popcorn ready. Next few months with the airlines is going to be interesting. $SAVE, $JBLU, $ULCC will be ones to watch.
Hopefully ULCC stays at 3.00 til I get paid again so I can dump a couple hundred on shares... It's the perfect setup: you can buy plane tickets and hotel stays with AFRM and poor people love to travel. Plus ULCC has cut routes to save money... Nowhere to go but up! I think 5.00 by late 2025 and above 10 by 2027 if some bigger airline doesn't try to buy them.
Guys... ULCC shares... I'm a real investor now. Long term hold.
Big announcement next Tuesday from their C-suite. Look for a restructuring of airline style to LCC from ULCC. This may prove to bump the price in the short term. Long term calls will be a straight gamble with the DOJ killing any merge short term.
$SAVE "$20+ BY AUGUST 15TH"? Currently trading under $4. Jet Blue was paying $35/share. Short interest at 30%. Shorts need 30,000,000 shares. Just two occurrences will make it a reality: ✅ Refinancing of the Sept. 2025 bonds. ✅ New takeover bid: $LUV? $ULCC? $SKYW? $25? Current market cap is equivalent to the average cost of three planes. Spirit has 207 planes. All are Airbus.
Better buy on July 5!!! $SAVE "$20+ BY AUGUST 15TH"? Currently trading under $4. Jet Blue was paying $35/share. Short interest at 30%. Shorts need 30,000,000 shares. Just two occurrences will make it a reality: ✅ Refinancing of the Sept. 2025 bonds. ✅ New takeover bid: $LUV? $ULCC? $SKYW? $25?
$SAVE Spirit Airline "$20+ BY AUGUST 15TH"? Currently trading under $4. Jet Blue was paying $35/share. Current market cap is less than the cost of three planes. Spirit has 207 "Airbus" planes. Short interest at 30%. Shorts need 30,000,000 shares. Just two occurrences will make it a reality: ✅ Refinancing of the Sept. 2025 bonds. ✅ New takeover bid: $LUV? $ULCC? $SKYW? $25?
$SAVE. BUYING UNDER $4.00 Jet Blue was paying $35. Refinancing the Sept. 2025 bonds triples the share price. Short interest at 30%. Shorts need 30M shares. Market cap is less than the cost of 3 planes. Spirit has 207 "Airbus" planes. New takeover offer? $ULCC? $LUV? $SKYW?
$SAVE. "BUYING UNDER $3.50" Jet Blue was paying $35. Refinancing the Sept. 2025 bonds triples the share price. Short interest at 30%. Shorts need 30,000,000 shares. Market cap is less than the cost of 3 planes. Spirit has 207 "Airbus" planes. New takeover offer? $ULCC
New Fads especially food that now costs more than real food when there is food inflation. Low end airlines as people who buy cheap airfare with food inflation are now doing road trips. Anything related to homes and real estates. Largest time when people buy furniture and appliances is when they get a new house. No one is buying with the Fed raising rates. Beyond Meat $BYND Morning Star Farms $MORN Spirit Airlines $SAVE Frontier Airlines $ULCC Wayfair $W All things real estate and properties
ULCC carriers got hammered.
Because by then they will be outbid for those assets by everyone else. If they acquire here and now as the only one with a remote chance (as a fellow ULCC), they have no competition for the assets.
Thanks for killing me ULCC which is actually doing quite well. Jet blue needs to shift to a premier airline again and not a bottom feeder.
Frontier Airlines getting desperate! Puts on ULCC!!! > APRIL FOOLS! WE AREN’T REALLY GOING TO ADD WIDE-BODY AIRCRAFT TO OUR FLEET, OR LIE-FLAT SEATING, OR A CHEF-CURATED MENU, OR FREE WI-FI, OR FLIGHTS TO BORA BORA. HOWEVER, WE ARE OFFERING A ONE-DAY-ONLY FARE SALE FEATURING INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS WITH FARES STARTING AS LOW AS $38!
Listen - this doj isn’t on board with mergers in the airline industry. The dream that the ulcc market collapsing from two big competitors to one major airline and a bunch of little ones is a bad dream. JetBlue merger was shut down from the viewpoint of like 10 routes at the end for the mythical (literally) custom that couldn’t afford higher prices over all of the other customers who would literally benefit (read the ruling - the judge clearly says JBLU and SAVE merger will bring down prices and cause the big four to have to compete - but that wasn’t enough to avoid the haiku for the mythical customer). ULCC and SAVE merging will undoubtably raise prices on some routes. Thats game over as far this DoJ is concerned. They’ll sue to prevent it and meet a friendly court.
$ULCC may make an offer again🤔
I don’t know what there is to be surprised about, you can decline all extra fees during booking and there is no future situation where I’m gonna pay another fee unless I’m a moron who doesn’t read the baggage size policies for personal items. How are so many of you getting “surprised” by the way this airline operates? And I honestly do not understand this seat complaint, you get a ticket and then you are assigned a seat at check in. Do you think spirit is putting customers on the floors? People just throw all logic out the window when discussing ULCC’s.
ULCC rebounded. PTRA and CHWY did not
I would say ULCC but it already kinda happened
ULCC making dem gains for dada
This case will be cited for years to come if this decision is not reversed The historic ASSASSINATION of Spirit Airlines: First they entered into a proxy war, drained the SPR and caused the rise in oil prices Increasing energy costs led to an increase in prices of goods and services since every industry uses energy as an input This led to record inflation which made the Fed raise interest rates to their highest levels in decades ULCC airlines like Spirit that operate on an efficiency model rather than a scale model were crippled by high oil prices and borrowing costs When they tried to find a way out of this using the only option they had, a merger with another airline, the corrupt clowns at the Biden DOJ decided to fight them in the courts and block the transaction What a sick joke!
Is there a law prohibiting an ULCC to change its business model to create more shareholder value while, most importantly, assuring its survival? If so, will government subsidize cheap air travel to keep such ULCCs which it forced to remain as an ULCC? If not, can anybody help me understand why even there is such a legal case? Would there be case if SAVE have increased prices in certain cities before or during the lawsuit? I am not profitable, and it is like I am being told “no, you cannot change your business model”. What was the name of the economic system where such things happen?
This is problematic analysis by the Judge. The appropriate test is not whether Spirit would be fully replaced by a ULCC. This flows from two things. Firstly, full replacement, generally, is not required. All that is required is the ability of a competitor to offset a loss in sufficient amounts such that competition is not "substantially" lessened. Again, that is not actual replacement, just the ability. The ability to offset becomes reality if the merged entity in fact raises prices sufficiently to make that entry profitable, which is enough to prevent monopolization. The fact that the relevant market is not cost conscious consumers is also important, because that offset does not then need to come from ULCC's. Additionally, we should have been looking at other airports in these metro areas as well, and the Judge said as much. This is still applying the wrong legal standard.
Right after the JetBlue/Spirit deal fell through I bought four ULCC 7/19 calls with a $5 strike price and after this week am up more than 3x, looking for it to keep moving up. Not a YOLO play by any means but turning $250 into a thousand is always satisfying.
So I'm a total r but hear my out. Obviously we saw the jump in Spirit yesterday and today. The DOJ simping for the big airlines and not allowing the merger is sketch at best, but I don't think they can just outright put $save out of biz. Major changes need to be made at $save, or an outright merger with $ulcc. And if the doj wants to keep ultra low fare airlines accessible for us poors, perhaps incentives can be given for these carriers. No idea how to create an ETF, but I'm creating an ETF in the name of ValuJet. The first ultralow cost carrier I ever flew. With the election coming up gas prices usually go down. Extremely high gas prices will look bad for the Biden admin. A great way to hedge low gas prices is with airlines. **6 month returns** $JBLU -39.52% $ULCC -53.82% $SAVE -63.66% We can turn this around with a simple formula: Elections = lower gas prices. lower gas prices = airline profits. Side question, does anyone know how to create an ETF?
Frontier merger was going to use ULCC stock to pay for the deal. Said stock is down 50% since proposal so that same deal is no longer on the table.
Is Frontier no longer considered ULCC? I mean, their ticker is literally ULCC. Genuinely curious.
That is exactly right..the LCC ULCC will not hold up if frontier moves in…
If JBLU doesn’t appeal I think frontier will try and make a stab at buying it. Since it is also a ULCC that may be more palatable to the overzealous regulators.
it would, but majority hate spirit as a consumer. only reason it gained the traction it did was for the rumor of being bought out at 32$~ a share it is CLEAR by the nosedive after doj blocked merger no one believes or likes the business it was just a play of profitability i dont see it becoming a memerally at all.. there isnt even a factor of “sticking it to the man” because theres no reward anymore. anyone seen ULCC tho?
Sun Country or Allegiant are not your main stream ULCC, they are not looking to grow as quick as Jetblue and they don't have the capital or resources. Plus Allegiant just dumped $700Mil into their new resort down south. The real question is can SAVE make $$$ this year. Domestically, Delta have stated its going to be challenging for them, why would it be any different for SAVE.
"if it had gone through, it would have led to higher ticket prices and less competition" in the ULCC market...which isn't profitable for spirit. It would have increased competition and lowered prices among the legacy airlines which make up the 83% of the rest of the market. There is literally nothing stopping spirit from raising their prices and becoming a "luxury" airline btw, which would also remove it from the ULCC market. Your view is short sighted.
They're a ULCC so in theory a recession is better for their ops. But a recession curbs travel. Dont see a chapter 11 anytime soon.
Depends. ULCC does better than legacy in a recession.