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Tesla's margin collasp: why I plan on shorting Tesla before Q1 earnings (not Q4)
Killing it on my Tesla short single stock ETF (TSLS)
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I always keep a little TSLS on hand just in case and added a little TSDD this week for more flavour. 🤓
you should grab TSLS its the Tesla Bear ETF.
I got stuck with 2000 TSLS shares from my calls being slightly ITM last night. Hoping TSLA shits over the long weekend.
TSLS Feb 20 Calls 😉 because TSLA Puts are cursed.
If you aren't buying 3-8 week TSLS or TSLZ calls, not a lot because it's a retard stock, but enough to try to catch the epic fall of TSLA you are a full blown retard. Even if you're buying calls or shares you should be.
You should have a rotating, overlapping set of TSLA short positions in place weeks and months out. When it hits it will pay for the ones that didn't. I'm cheap so I use TSLS calls.
just took someone's advice on the TSLS leaps in here bought the $5 leaps
You should always buy TSLS calls dated a few weeks out, at least a small amount, any time TSLA is pumping on this fraud idiocy lying bullshit. Eventually it will hit. I mean, the stock may only go down to 390 then bounce again on more fraud bullshit, but it will pop just like it always does when people temporarily come to their senses.
I throw a hundred at calls on TSLS every so often. In stock trading circles I’m known as a highly regarded degenerate gambler.
Calls on TSLS. Boom! See what I did there?!
What if its more targeted than that? Owning VOO and SARK, TSLS, PLTD at the same time for example
Actually it would take a bit of math, but you most definitely could figure out the delta vs your shares of sp500. You can’t directly short it if in a retirement account I would assume, but since it’s ~2.5% of the sp500, if Voo is at ~$630 a share, you own 100x then you need about -3.5 shares. You might be able to utilize an etf that doesn’t have too much drag or figure out the delta with an options play. It looks like TSLS buying 197 shares would effectively neutralize the Tesla position. You could even just sell ITM puts to combat the drag on the position and gain a bit of premium too. Ironically I used grok for all the calculations so hopefully they are correct. So you do the math yourself but it’s possible……. So do it already.
TSLS. I will throw funny money into this, like at the strippers in da club. It has been flat to down, because the market is irrational. I will either sell for a tax loss by EoY or hold for when the eventual collapse comes. Because it will come. With fake CyberCabs and Robots, Tesla has become a company of vaporware horseshit.
The most effective way to express a bearish view on a high-volatility stock like TSLA, while limiting the inherent unlimited risk of your current short stock position, is through the use of put options. While the inverse ETFs (TSLS/TSLQ) are simple and risk-defined, their high expense ratios and the effect of volatility decay (or "volatility drag") make them inefficient for a medium-to-long term bearish thesis, especially when compared to the existing short stock and put combination. To define the upside risk of your current short position, you should buy **Long Put options** on TSLA with a strike price slightly above your entry point, effectively converting your unlimited upside risk into a known, calculable loss that includes the cost of the put premium. To finance this put purchase and mitigate the "ongoing cost due to extrinsic value decay" (theta decay), the most efficient complementary strategy is to simultaneously **Sell Out-of-the-Money (OTM) Call Options** (a "Covered Call" over the short stock) with frequent (weekly or monthly) expiration dates. This generates a credit (premium income) that helps offset the theta decay of the long puts, turning your short position into a managed, risk-defined synthetic short, which offers the best balance of defined risk, manageable cost, and high downside profit potential, making it superior to relying solely on the inverse ETFs for a longer-term trade.
I recently noticed TSLS also pays a dividend to compensate for risk
I hold TSLS, which shorts TSLA. Q3 was their last profitable Quarter, probably ever. The CyberTaxi and Robots are all vaporware horseshit. Neither will produce any meanful revenue anytime soon. The only real business is the car business (wildly overvalues and they don't even want to be in) and the energy storage (with subsidies going away). I don't even know what the Cathy Wood's bull case even is anymore. Believe all of Elon's bullshit about flying Roadsters, to be demonstrated in two months. That's the Ketamine talking.
I think I'ma sell my September 2026 TSLA puts and just buy shares of TSLS instead. Who knows if my puts will expire worthless cause the irrationality of the stock. With TSLS I can just hold my shares.. smart or no?
I have TSLS which are already down 40k. I'm going to hold forever.
T VZ BWEL PBR PAGS TSLS Those are my slots now. Defensive.
Why not just buy TSLS or TSLQ and short that way, without needing to tie up so much capital shorting TSLA directly?
I just buy TSLS and TSLQ myself since shorting the normal TSLA shares are too expensive. Unfortunately my average price is around TSLA $350 right now
Nah it’s certainly dumping. TSLS worth it rn
Take profit on TSLS? No, no. I'll just wait until Monday and cash out at a loss.
Short MSFT and TSLS
Yeah, I wish I felt confident enough to go in on TSLS or TSLQ but it really feels like money is blindly piling in because of his stupid pay package.
Tomorrow I’ll do the same thing I’ve done the last 3 days. open my app, notice my account is somehow up more, take no profit, then buy 100 shares of TSLS because as retarded as TSLA bulls are I’m even more retarded and expect that one day they will no longer be retarded. But somehow, some way, they just keep getting even more retarded
I just got burn with TSLS/TSLQ, ain't gonna short the market again, this shit is nuts.
Those of us who lived through the Dot Com Bubble, myself included are certainly going to have legitimate concerns about market being overvalued. I manage those risks by splitting my portfolio in two buckets 🪣. About 80 % percent I keep in a portfolio with guidance from TheAroraReport.Com Their model portfolio has lot of built in hedging strategies. They are also concerned about market being overpriced. But their hedging strategies help manage the risks. The other 20 % I use scalping strategies using TQQQ/SQQQ, SOXL/SOXS, TSLA- TSLL/ TSLS etc. But every one’s concern of Market being in a Bubble is definitely legitimate. In regular brokerage accounts I rather pay taxes on profits rather than lose the money.
It’s nice to see there are other people profiting from TQQQ and others like me struggling with SOXL. I use TQQQ/SQQQ, SOXL and SOXS, Sometimes TSLA/TSLL and TSLS for daily scalping strategy. I net 2 to 5 % return per trading day. Past Friday I made 14 percent in TSLL. For a day’s work that was not bad. I have some part of the portfolio in long term model portfolio that I learn from a very good service I subscribe to. But scalping SOXL/SOXS etc has been the most profitable for me
TSLS and TSLQ Held through some dark days. Ended up selling earlier his year after turning my account +80% in less than 6 months.
Some of these are short funds (TSLS of TSLA), cannabis, and volatility ETFs. For each industry, I buy the industry and junior ETF, and then buy the best of the best in the industry. These individual plays are up much more than the ETFs. Then I also have my infrastructure stocks, like cement makers. And Ex-USA Banks and utilities
I beg to differ. TSLS pays a dividend while playing TSLA to the short side.
Fucking Schwab sucks. Woke up yesterday "up" 20k. I was like whoohoo wtf all excited. Well, turns out those fucks just make up numbers. 8 have a bunch of TSLS calls and they randomly decided one that was really worth like .50 was worth $5. It stayed that way all fucking day, just taunting and mocking me.
Try to balance using BEARISH ETFs. I just picked up on SOXS, SPXU & TSLS. These can help balance its a see saw game of equity. Not all days will be good + Try 2 stay away from Options unless you know what your doing.
This is my signal to buy even more TSLS
TSLS is 2x inverse. Greater risk greater reward.
Do you like TSLQ better than TSLS?
Why didn’t I full port TSLS in my drunken stupor instead of 5 measly percent?
Yeah I've been nursing TSLS calls for a while. I need to see like 250 lol.
TSLS if you want to short Tesla after hours, you're welcome
Buying google dip tomorrow if it shits, and buying more TSLA short positions (TSLS calls) if TSLA pumps.
Because I sold my TSLS daily play at 2pm :)
Sitting on SPY 7/14 $620 calls and TSLS 7/11 $305 calls from yesterday. They gonna print today or what? 💪
Sell it, buy puts, load up on $TSLS $TSLZ $TSLQ
I have like 60 TSLS calls stacked up for late this year, it's been a sea of red. It's still a sea of red, but seeing the sea of green under "Day" is nice, at least, and a few have at least turned green overall. I'm going to need TSLA to bleed faster, though. Need like 2 weeks straight of -5% days.
what's the difference between TSLQ and TSLS, besides being 2x leveraged
This shit is so hilarious. I literally gave 6 months until these absolute 🤡 retards have an epic narcissist meltdown. The problem is the TSLA stock is melting down too slowly for my TSLS calls to jack up. Shit needs to start dropping 7% a day for weeks on end
Oh, I do.. well, TSLS calls. But that aside I am just amazed at how full of shit he is, literally just bald faced lies. Constantly. But people still take that clown seriously.
If you bought them at any point this week, I'd definitely lock in profits, and buy TSLS if you want to continue shorting. That's just me though.
Never touching piece of shit TSLS again. It's like my bane, been losing every play I make on tsla
> TSLS, TSLZ, TSLQ, CRSH gonna be good plays over the next few weeks You don't know that for fact.
TSLA analysts are starting to update estimates. Looking at almost a 25% decline in deliveries Y/Y and full year EPS of less than $1. That puts forward PE at about 350. TSLS, TSLZ, TSLQ, CRSH gonna be good plays over the next few weeks
kicking myself for not buy TSLQ or TSLS on the open this morning :/ How you doin'
Its way too low liquidity, just buy puts on the stock or TSLS
TSLA going up is fine. I just buy more Dec TSLS calls. BTC going up always fucking aggravates me though. Fake ass play internet money bullshit.
Officially no longer a 🌈 bear. Am now a turtle. Just going to avoid US stonks until crash but not buy puts. Well.. other than TSLA. I will never not buy more TSLS calls for Sept and Dec expiration. TSLA goes up, I stack a few more.
Oil shoots up…… TSLS will ________?
Man market is weird. I have some 9/19 TSLS calls for 15. I have other TSLS calls of varying dates, they are all down. Schwab shows my 9/19 TSLS 15C up 178% today. Fucking weird. Also, lololol fuck bulls, retards.
I know for a fact TSLA is garbage and it's going down so I don't even let these AH premarket games they try to play annoy me. If it's still up at open I buy TSLS calls. Easy decision.
I am literally just stacking 4Q2025 shorts on them (via long TSLS options). I have quite a bit and just add a few more if TSLA goes up.
Bought TSLS this week before this...
I don't know why Democrats Always Chicken Out. They need to start calling him names constantly, and really disgusting ones like Orange smegma cunt and shit. Get Elmo in there with some shrapnel too so my TSLS calls print.
Bought TSLS (-1x) when TSLA was ≈300, not gonna double down but I’ll at least hold through robotaxi
At least i bought TSLS(-1x) instead of TSLQ(-2x)
What are my moves? The wrong ones obviously... I'll watch my finally profitable TSLS go underwater again, OR paper hands it, excited with 6-7% gain and watch TSLA utterly implode after closing it out. Whatever it is, it WILL be the wrong one....
SPY adding TSLS, TSLA 1X bear fund
I just bought some TSLS, I’ll see what happens tomorrow for options
Lol at bull retards who will buy TSLA calls tomorrow. If it goes up I am adding more shorts via TSLS calls.
I am buying the fuck out of more TSLS calls tomorrow if TSLA pumps.
Or TSLS or TSLL? How do you choose
I was like ahhhh hurry and throw some money into TSLA longggg 0dte puts and TSLS to make some money back
TSLS/TSLQ is back on the menu, boys!
No balls for for shorting? TSLA cheapest way to short is small bets on TSLS calls... You don't have to risk a bunch that way. I've got some stacked up for late this year, added a few more earlier today.
Not bothered by TSLA up.. I literally stack a few hundo more in TSLS calls for end of 2025.
Gonna stack more TSLS and MSTZ calls Mon.
Just buy calls on TSLS or mstz or similar. Puts fucking expensive.
TSLS down 70% on the yearly
I do. 401k gold, foreign stocks. Some voo with carefully updated stop loss sales GTC. Gambling, buy calls on TSLS and just pile them up DCA if Tesla keeps going up. Same with mstz. Not a lot, not gonna break the bank but enough to make money when they shit Occasional spy puts, small gambles, a few DTE.
Why have both TSLS and TSLZ? In general TSLA and the ETF’s move with the indices (broader market), and the 🥭pumped the market with his self negotiations, so TSLA goes up. TSLA stock is not the same as the company, or company performance. If that doesn’t make sense, that’s ok, just believe it. You will have your time to short, but you’ll have to time the short.
I own TSLS and TSLZ getting hurt right now
Absolutely. And if tsla goes up more I add a few more TSLS calls for later this year. Same with MSTR.
You're looking for securities to play, try TSLL and TSLQ and TSLS.. Daily trade
I just watch sales and the news. I only scale in when TSLA pops off on a high RSI. I never hold TSLS or TSLQ long. 2 or 3 days unless TSLA is in an obvious down channel. Even then I scale out. But if sales numbers stay as bad as they are, TSLA will absolutely sell off a few weeks before the next earnings or sooner. Can't fight gravity.
I've only ever been talking about inverse. The start of this conversation was TSLQ and TSLS. I have no idea why you are now comparing bear vs bull ETFs. It's not what anyone was talking about and not relevant to the topic. Please stop responding and wasting my time.
You think you're being sarcastic. You're not, and I have (via TSLZ and TSLS calls).
No, over time leveraged ETFs will hurt a little. TSLS is safer.
Those formulas are neat. Also totally wrong and gibberish. More leverage = more decay. There are entire papers written about the correlation to more leverage and faster decay. A 1x ETF is unleveraged. It can decay over time "due to rebalancing" but inverse TSLA ETFs don't have to rebalance much since they are not as complex as most ETFs. However more leverage like a 2x or 3x will decay faster especially in a more volatile environment. And I am speaking from experience and I've tracked my TSLS over time. It's essentially 1 to 1. Now, I'm not saying to hold for months. But multiple days are not an issue and you wont see any decay. It's still insane you are arguing about options decay vs an unleveraged ETF.
TSLA is built on hope and bullshit. Puts can easily get crushed. Just buy TSLS or TSLQ. Literally shorting it would be better than options.
Shorting TSLA has been my best investment ever. Here are my tricks. 1) Don't literally short it. Buy ETFs like TSLS, TSLZ, and TSLQ. I prefer the 1x ETFs unless I have extremely high conviction. 2) Be patient. Really patient. Wait for it to hit overbought areas on the RSI. Don't chase bad days. 3) Take your gains. TSLA always throws out some bullshit eventually so if you are up a decent amount on the day or week just take the win. Do not hold long. 4) Watch the news. Pay attention to macro and micro things that impact the market. If there is an overall bull sentiment, TSLA will go up. Don't fight it. Just wait for it to get overbought. Understand when TSLA sales numbers come out, and when earnings are coming up. 5) Never hold through earnings. At least not your full position. You can trade during ER but don't hold through. TSLA usually sells off slowly ahead of earnings and bad news gets "priced in". That's why it bounces back. 6) Pretend like TSLA is in fact a $400 or $500 stock and ignore common sense. Everything will make more sense. If it sells off to $200 it will seem like it can go lower (it might), but make your decisions assuming the dumbest and most corrupt rich people in the world think it's a $500 stock. 7) Learn about and follow options max pain. Google it. Tesla options are heavily traded. I use weekly max pain numbers to identify opportunities, or if I should even bother since downside could be limited. 8) Pay attention to carbon offset credits, and the election next year. If either of those goes against TSLA (or starts looking like they will) I would go all in. TSLA would likely sell off way ahead of either event so again, follow the news. 9) Find a stock or stocks you really like. Preferably in the NASDAQ. Trade them so you can make money in bull markets, or use them as a hedge. Good luck.