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Today INPIXON votes tomorrow on merging with XTI Vertical Aircraft, they have $7.2 Billion in orders
I’ve been talking about $INPX for a while now
Where is the future of VTOL in the states.
Lilium - electric VTOL aircraft (LILM). What do you guys think to this company. At an all time low and I heard Porsche are looking to invest / buy / save the company.
[Open discussion] While I'm barely red since spy 400, DCAing is going to make or break our success in the future. All in on Solar VTOL gneomic water-purification leaps.
New to options and looking for ideas. Can someone explain to me why this is or isn’t a good play? All of these electric VTOL SPACs seem like they’re headed down
ALPP Uplisting: Everything you need to know about their company
Not quite to the moon, but maybe flying cars in our lifetime
Xeriant, Inc. (OTC Pink: XERI) Rallies 35% After Entering Into Joint Venture With XTI Aircraft, maker of VTOL commercial aircraft
Why Wolfpack Research is a guac-cock-a-moley mixture of wallstreetbets level intelligence and blatant stupidity, and why you might want to buy EH stock while it is still cheap. (Please read the WHOLE thing before you either downvote me or have a fit in the comments section.)
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Well. We aint got VTOL.....But we got our own airport lmfao... yikes.
Thanks for the comment. Successful piloted test flights (conventional take off and VTOL) have been carried out and the final stage (prop transition flight) is due in the next couple of months. Vertical is looking to certify to the highest aviation standard (i.e. one crash in a billion hours of flight aka 1 to the minus 9) in a dual track process with Britain’s CAA and the EU’s EASA. Doing so should allow them to hopefully gain FAA certification also. Take a look at the new Vertical\_Aerospace sub and the video Henry Blodget. Certification is covered from 27:14 onwards and here is an excerpt of what Vertical CEO Stuart Simpson states… ‘Our aircraft will be exportable everywhere. The US competitors will not be exportable into Europe or the UK despite what they're telling people. We have confirmation from EASA and the CIA that they will not allow anything that's not to the minus 9 to fly over populated areas in Europe. Hence Archer and Joby’s focus on the Middle East!’
lol I’m big on archer but theta gonna leave you broke. sell calls when it breaks 13, buy shares/calls between 8.6-9.5. Historically, this will trickle back to 10 range before it pops back up to $13, unless they show VTOL asap.
I don't really see them making the numbers work. The speed advantage of aviation is more pronounced the farther you go. For short little hops you really aren't going to gain enough to justify the exponentially greater cost. Sure, there will be a few very wealthy folks who will be willing to pay the extra 5000%--15000% to gain the 10 or 15 minutes. But they will probably have a VTOL of there own and use it like a car. I just don't see the demand for this.
Maybe the low altitude economy - i.e., air taxis If they can get the economics to work, they can: **supplement rideshare** (for longer trips or point to point) **supplement trucking** (more expensive to lift things in the air, but you can fly faster and in a straight line and it's easier to implement autonomy in a VTOL than in trucks). Also, a lot of things are shipped via air anyways. Instead of having to do a handoff at an airport, air-taxis could deliver goods directly to fulfillment centers. **takeover regional flights** (no lines, no security, shorter uber rides to/from urban vertiports than airports outside of city). My guess is that anything under 400 miles may make more sense as an air taxi ride than a flight out of an airport. **defense -** These aircraft will likely require no pilot in the future, which is a major bottleneck in the military. They'll also require a fraction of the maintenance and significantly less fuel costs. The economics still don't make a ton of sense yet for a lot of applications. They may need larger form factors (which maybe these don't scale well), and they'll need to be able to mass produce at very low costs (likely under a million dollars per shipset). But there's an outside chance that this is a real industry inside of the next decade (before 2035).
Waiting on VTOL from their N704AX aircraft. Likely will die off for a month.
I just saw Sam Altman flying a Tesla VTOL over my house..pump it!
Now their sex robots will have rotors and VTOL....TSLA to 1000
Archer has a shit product for Elon to put his name behind it. It can’t even VTOL and has yet to meet many critical technical milestones. Also Elon doesn’t do partnerships, he just does it to maintain control. This narrative and speculation is being pushed by the 5 regard mods of ACHR. They are making it a joke for an industry that needs to be serious and focus on safety and execution.
maybe this VTOL sector is primed for take off
The hate only comes because of the shade the company throws on Joby. The Archer leadership talked the talk but could not walk the walk. They over promised and under delivered at every turn. True, they have only been around since 2018, and what they have accomplished since is admirable, but to say they "nailed" VTOL"? Comeon man, anyone can vtol or ctol. There is nothing special about either when a college kid can attach a bunch of props to a box and make it go up/down or forward. "Transition" - sure Archer did transition on Maker which was a tech demonstrator so did not count for much and then on Midnight zero which yes again a great feat, but the vibrations were so damn bad and the transition was so unstable they literally could not use the same design moving forward. There is a reason, even in their marketing video to show transition, they actually cut that part out. So essentially, again, just a tech demonstrator. "FAA Certs" - what FAA certs? Their cert basis has been stuck on Stage 3 at 15% for years now. And it isn't their fault. They do not have an aircraft model and design they can currently certify. There is again a reason they are stuck going CTOL with their latest aircraft. I have the greatest appreciation for the engineers and techs at Archer trying to figure all of this out, but absolutely nothing for the execs who have lied at every turn with unrealistic claims and made the company look like an absolute grift. Here is a summary of just some of their BS: 1) We are going to use COTS parts to get to market quicker than Joby and go to established aerospace suppliers to make us components - Complete quiet 180 as they acquire their own composites shop and lag so far behind on production that nothing has come out of their "completed" Georgia facility ever. 2) We are going to make FAA conforming aircraft from the get-go, not prototypes like Joby. It has been nothing but a prototype after prototype and/or FAA non-conforming aircraft until now from Archer. Still no news on any FAA conforming builds. 3) We have 6-8 number of aircraft in production in Georgia and will have them rolling off the line flooding the flightline since late 2024 of which X are conforming - So far only 1 aircraft delivered to test flight in Q1 2025 and that also is a ctol capable prototype only 4) Tall promises of flying at the Korean UAM grand challenge and at the Osaka workd expo and pulling out of both quietly without any notice while again throwing shade, saying things like we are too busy building planes - okay then where are those planes and why did you promise to fly earlier???? 5) Literally trying to steal Joby's thunder at every turn: Flying Midnight zero in a vertical hover in Abu Dhabi a couple of days after Joby fully transitioned multiple times in Dubai, to make it look like they were just as capable (if they were, why no demo of the transition they had touted the aircraft had done so long ago and so many times) Twisting the Osaka governments announcement regarding an MOU with Soracle to get airtaxi's operational to an exclusive deal just with Archer for the city of Osaka. 6) And to that end, always going out of their way to drop news right after Joby makes an announcement. Oh, joby did an engine out test? Archer also did one. Oh, Joby just announced a partnership? Here, look at ours. it's bigger and better, i promise. You kind of get the idea hopefully after all of this. This is like barely scratching the surface, too. The hate/dislike does not come from thin air. Actions have consequences, and the dislike you see of Archer comes from a lot of what they have claimed but demonstrated little of and their general ahole like attitude to everyone else in the industry currently.
Yes, they updated the aft rotors — that’s part of fine-tuning lift and efficiency during testing. Early design adjustments like that are completely normal in this phase of development. The aircraft has already completed VTOL and transition flights.
I don’t get all the Archer hate from Joby folks in the comments. Joby’s had a decade head start (2009). Archer’s only been around since 2018 and already nailed VTOL, transitions, and FAA certs. They’re closing the gap fast. Where’s the love?
How did they under deliver? They said they would be demonstrating CTOL and never promised a VTOL demonstration here. Their VTOLs are still in testing phase and must be done in a controlled environment.
I thought that ACHR couldn’t pull off an actual VTOL and also had a worse PR campaign in the air show
I do think Vertical is undervalued considering they can actually VTOL which Beta and Archer have failed to do with their production designs without having way too heavy of vibrations
This is genuinely beyond ridiculous. Government shut down with absolutely no end in sight? Stocks go up! Worst September ADP jobs numbers in over a decade with previous months being revised downwards so that 3 of the last 4 months are now negative, all while government data reporting is on indefinite hiatus due to aforementioned shutdown? Stocks go up! The economy increasingly being propped up by unsustainable government debt spending and megacaps dumping 60+% of their FCF into data centers we dont have enough energy to power, all to pursue a technology that no one has been able to successfully capitalize so far? Believe it or not, stocks go up! Just throw a dart at a board and youll see double digit returns on your investment within a month or two, or within days if you're lucky enough to hit a pre-revenue tech company promising some vaporware like VTOL taxis or quantum computing or nuclear fusion. Surely this is a permanent rally, we're all gonna be rich!
It require 8 four blade rotors, 4 that move to allow normal flight and 4 fixed that are only use for hovering or VTOL. The big problem is the because those fixed rotors are 4 blade and pointed up that it causes massive drag. The original design was for them to be 2 bladed, but it did work and required 4 blades. Personally, I don't see it working. IMHO EVs need better batteries before I see them as a viable alternative to engines of all types, except in situations (city driving as an example)
Archer… is that the VTOL company that only flies helicopters or the one that only does horizontal takeoffs?
If eVTOL was a good idea, regular VTOL aircraft that aren't helicopters would already be filling the skies.
And they use a picture of Joby aircraft for the article because Archer can’t VTOL yet. Author is fully regarded.
An electric VTOL aircraft company founded by a business major should tell you everything you need to know. Vaporware.
[I work in the industry](https://i.imgur.com/rieNOMY.jpeg). I personally wouldn't invest in eVTOL stocks. If I felt like exposing myself to them I'd go the pick and shovel route and buy into companies selling battery and charging tech since that's more universal. And if I wanted to diversify into aero I'd look into rocketry. My main concern is there are TONS of regulations surrounding commercial civil aerospace and getting to a point where you're profitable in that world is incredibly difficult for new companies. A secondary concern is that to my knowledge (granted I haven't really done a ton of research into it) EVs aren't nearly as viable for ICE power sources when it comes to heavier than air flight. It's just an energy density thing. Until we get the battery storage tech that can over come that heavier than air EVs (especially VTOL) is going to struggle. A tertiary concern is how they plan on using them. Basically as taxies. Dense urban environments mean lots of traffic and buildings to potentially collide with. A crash or two early in the product life cycle and you absolutely kill any future this company may have even if the tech is there.
Pointless techbro technology. Trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist, with cheaper and more affordable technology already in place. Helicopters are too expensive due to; limited routes in major cities, cost of fuel, salary and maintenance costs. VTOL drones don't fix any of those issues, in fact they are worse due to additional motors/engines It's drones vs helicopters. It's all down to FAA rules and NIMBLY regulations. Getting approval to fly these noisy drones in mass, in and around major cities is going to be impossible. Any crashes or someone hacking into the system is going to destroy the industry.
I really want these VTOL companies to succeed, but I also know the history and have a hard time thinking this time will be different. The same with Nuclear. Do you think Joby will make it?
Check out Joby. They completed this milestone years ago as a VTOL. This is only a CTOL. Joby is years ahead and will get to market before ACHR
How is this news? Joby and many other competitors have completed this milestone years ago with 100+ miles and as a VTOL. This is still only CTOL.
Hybrid model Faster than a traditional heli Longer distance than traditional VTOL’s Patented wing design sets them apart Canadian Co and they want in the game Limited cash on hand. Will require dilution or major partner to scale
Joby is literally flying laps around Archer right now. Archer’s latest 2-prop config can’t even VTOL, and their 4-prop rework is non-existent. They seemed to have completely bowed out of the eVTOL race marked with that embarrassing launch edition hover. They’re not even in stage 4 yet, and have made literally 0% progress from the last quarter. They’ve literally pivoted from every endeavor at this point, apart from marketing and shilling for equity dilution. They also haven’t delivered anything to the Air Force. “Delivering in place” is silly at best, criminally disingenuous at worst. They’ve been trying to go full COTS parts as that was their least-cost thesis for years, but now their efforts to bring composites in-house is being propped up as genius? Give me a break. Joby’s been vertically integrated since the beginning, and it seems the CEO of Archer is finally realizing their whole purpose to exist is built on an unstable foundation; it took them 6 months to acquire that facility so they’re moving at a snails pace on that front as well. Partnerships with Anduril and Palantir? LOL. Lilium had more substantial partnerships. Hey, where’d that company go again? Best to stay in your safe space, r/ACHR, before you get bitch slapped in here. Good luck either way.
The entire industry knows Archer is smoke and mirrors. Everyone knows Joby is in the lead by years, both from an Air Taxi and DoD approach. Your DDs are tweets from the CEO 🤦🏼♂️. Joby has the better partnerships. Delta > United. Toyota > Stellantis. ANA > JAL. Etc. TBD who will be better between Anduril and L3 Harris. One has delivered product for decades while the other is heavily focus on acquiring companies and marketing. Joby has proven technologies while Archer hasn’t shown tinted rotors which is one of the most difficult part of a VTOL. Set a reminder. I’ll bet you that Joby stock return will be much greater than Archer and they’ll deliver better and sooner than Archer on everything.
Archer’s core innovation lies in developing fully electric, high-performance VTOL aircraft designed to transform urban transport. More than just fancy helicopter
JOBY looks interesting for the medical transport part of the business. Also the VTOL. Aren’t they just in NYC? Imagine this air taxi service in all the biggest cities for starters. It caters to the wealthy and corporate elites. Interesting read
Announced partnership with L3 to focus on production of defense-related autonomous and manned VTOL
XTIA is my long game gamble. VTOL business class aircraft, if they can make it work.
How does everyone feel about VTOL? Just started digging in.
I'm LONG! it's trading like biotech but with a way more visible path to commercialization. FAA Part 135 already secured, Midnight’s been flying regularly in Abu Dhabi heat *(a huge box ticked for UAE ops)* & they're pacing toward 2025 cert with test flight volume ramping up. Add in that $850M raise post Trump executive order & now they’ve got nearly $2B in liquidity, that’s not normal for pre revenue. And people sleep on the Anduril hybrid VTOL too that's potential DoD cash with no dilution
Gas engines are dinosaur. Modern battery tech plus VTOL drones are the future (potentially). Add in AI and you have something straight out of a sci fi. It doesn’t look as though we are that far away IMO. Imagine an autonomous VTOL drone which can patrol a set line or asset. Charges when it needs to (for which a 2nd drone will take over patrol). Possibly charged via a solar array. Add in surveillance, a weapons system, radar jamming… you have a pretty serious piece of kit.
If VTOL aircraft for amateur pilots were a good idea, don't you think someone would already be making them with gas engines?
"$ACHR (ARCHER AVIATION) and ANDURIL are "deep in the work" on secretive VTOL aircraft" - Axios - 4 hrs ago
Ever seen a helicopter take off sideways? Of course helicopters are VTOL. If you're rich and want a flying toy you can buy a helicopter, today. But you can't just hop into one and fly around. You need to comply with regulations though. For example, in US, you'd need to be a pilot and your vehicle would need to be registered with the FAA. Now, what makes you think a flying car with a comparable weight, fuel/battery capacity, and power output would be treated differently? So the way I see it, everyone who wants to go through all this hassle already owns a helicopter (and probably pays a pilot to fly them around). To me it's just unthinkable to have the sky full of hobby pilots flying 500 kg, battery packed quasi-helicopters through densely populated cities.
There’s a completely new tech and industry in VTOL that will make sense in some instances…. China is going to be so unrecognizable vs the west in 10-20yrs.
We’ve got actual, electric autonomous VTOL delivery drones and we’re still typing shit wrong? What are they doing in Apple HQ!? Siri is a disgrace.
Space is the next big thing followed by VTOL systems and drones.
They have raised a lot of cash to pursue the recent Executive Order for VTOL aircraft. If they get it, it will be big news. There will be more dilution around $2.15 per their recent announcements. They should have plenty after that and be stable from there on. XTIA is roughly 70% of my portfolio. I will be increasing for the next two years when they plan to deliver their first aircraft to commercial customers. They have $3b in pre-orders not including the potential military applications. Pre-orders will open up again either later this year or early next year. It was stated on a recent call that JOBY was valued at $250 million at the same milestones that XTIA is currently at. With a current $28.26m market cap, that is more than 9 times the current value. JOBY is now valued at $8.9b. The potential is huge, but don’t expect your bags to pop overnight. This is a long term play. It’s significantly undervalued at its current state and has a very promising future, regardless if they land the military contracts or not, but they are lining up a lot of moves to get those contracts.
Ahem... Got it—here’s what you’re looking for: the specific EASA and UK CAA certification criteria that drive design decisions like a closed cockpit for eVTOLs, pulled straight from the regulatory texts and guidance. 📝 1) EASA SC-VTOL.001 (Special Condition for VTOL) This is the European regulatory framework for certifying eVTOLs. The key points: ✅ SC-VTOL.001 divides aircraft into two certification categories: Basic Category: for operations where a controlled emergency landing can be made without risk to people on the ground. Enhanced Category: for commercial passenger ops, requiring higher safety standards—matching traditional commercial airliners (EASA SC-VTOL.001). Enhanced Category specific criteria driving enclosed cockpit choices: 🔹 SC VTOL.2255(a) – Occupant Safety: Requires the aircraft design to protect occupants during survivable crashes—supporting design features like reinforced, enclosed cockpits. 🔹 SC VTOL.2505 – Environmental Factors: Requires protection of systems and occupants from external environmental conditions (e.g., rain, debris), making a closed cockpit advantageous. 🔹 SC VTOL.2405(b) – Flight Crew Environment: Specifies requirements for crew visibility, control accessibility, and physical environment protection, which effectively encourage a sealed, protected cockpit. 🔹 SC VTOL.2005 & SC VTOL.2010 – System Safety: Requires that catastrophic failure probability must not exceed 10⁻⁹ per flight hour—practically requiring designs minimizing pilot exposure to hazards. 📝 2) CAA CAP2163 & UK CAA Alignment The UK CAA adopted CAP2163, a policy document aligning with EASA’s SC-VTOL Enhanced Category. It includes: Catastrophic Failure Rate: Mandates aircraft must demonstrate probability of catastrophic failure ≤ 10⁻⁹ per flight hour. Crashworthiness & Occupant Protection: Echoes EASA’s requirement for occupant survival during crashes. Environmental & Weather Protection: Implies robust enclosures for safe operation across weather scenarios. (CAA CAP2163) 🛡️ Why these criteria matter: These rules don’t literally force an enclosed cockpit, but to prove compliance with occupant safety, crash protection, and extreme reliability demands—designing an enclosed, robust cockpit becomes the practical path. An open or exposed cockpit would make it much harder (if not impossible) to meet Enhanced Category certification, which is required for commercial passenger eVTOL operations in Europe. Would you like help comparing how U.S. FAA SFAR rules differ on cockpit design? Guess joby won't be flying in the European markets then
Xtianus25 is a mod at the ACHR subreddit and bans anyone that has an opinion contrary to theirs/Archer’s in anyway. Most likely part of Archer PR team. With that said, everything they have said is false. Their claim about Joby being 3 passenger is completely false and pure FUD to undermine how far ahead Joby actually is. First, Joby is building a VTOL not a CTOL however, Joby test pilots have done multiple running landings and takeoffs and there are articles to back that up. Second of all Joby has already done failure injection testing by cutting motors, batteries, and actuators with their partners at Edward’s Air Force base with the aircraft that they actually delivered and actually fly. Archer keeps moving the goal post because they wanted to push timelines to keep the illusion of “keeping up”. In reality they are not only behind Joby they are also behind the others. Vertical Aero is a distant second from Joby then Eve and then Archer. I say that because Archer has a very immature design. They rushed to get it manufactured (which still took forever because they aren’t vertically integrated or made in the US) and found that they can’t do the one thing eVTOL’s are supposed to do. They can’t VTOL! The 4 bladed system they had on the early midnight that could VTOL was producing unacceptable vibrations during forward flight which means they can’t just swap their old design back on. The two bladed system is not powerful enough to VTOL. So they will have to redesign a new prop. Eve and vertical both have coaxial lift propellers that are able to be stowed inline during forward flight which is the most logical idea. Since Archer wants to use COTS parts, sourcing a system like this is unlikely and it’ll have to either be bought from another evtol manufacturer (unlikely) or they will have to design and test which could take multiple iterations. Being that Archer has rejected vertical integration this has put them imo at the back of the race. Archer put the cart before the horse and now they are slapping lipstick on a pig trying to keep the share price up while insiders are liquidating. Buyer beware.
Friends- leave Archer for Joby. I’m not in Archer and heavy on Joby but keep watching both closely just not become blind follower of Joby. This is more of same from Archer. At this time I have concluded that Archer is ONLY interested in dick contest with Joby and trying very hard to stay relevant through PR, flashy update. Sad… we need real players n competition but seems eVTOL is becoming one horse race in USA. Maybe Beta will join when they ready to transition from wing borne to vertical takeoff. Friends I keep saying this whenever I see Archer getting hyped… They are mostly style over substance. PR over progress. Promises over delivery. Misleading vs Factual Etc. They don’t have certifiable product. They has one prototype which is has been exploited as showpiece than actual testing….and their second prototype is having major design changes than first one… They product is too heavy and cannot VTOL so now they showing hat as CTOL. Lastly for what it matters Cathie/Ark has invested here and this is also recommended by Jim Cramer!! This cult has setup separate sub r/ACHR where if you asked question they ban you.
Is it not a VTOL with AI autopilot? Like these props don't turn forward and make it accelerate? That would make sense why it would have wings in that case.
Found it 🤓 • Archer's Midnight eVTOL aircraft flew today at Al Bateen Executive Airport in Abu Dhabi. • Archer's flight test operations are focused on evaluating the aircraft's vertical take off and landing (VTOL) performance in UAE-specific conditions, including high temperature, humidity and dust exposure in advance of commercial deployment. • Senior leadership from the UAE General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA), the Abu Dhabi Investment Office (ADIO), the Integrated Transport Centre, Abu habi Aviation and Abu Dhabi Airports attended the flight test, along with representatives from Archer's regional partners.
You’re smoking crack. One FAA cert left? They haven’t even flown VTOL and are making changes to the aft props.
Everyone seems to think that if you take a helicopter and make it electric all of a sudden a ton of infrastructure will pop up to support helicopter travel. Why would we expect eVTOL travel to suddenly be a massive industry when VTOL travel has existed for almost a century and barely anyone uses it?
ACHR - Archer Aviation or a company similar My reasoning for this pick is that looking out, VTOL style transportation will be like Uber. Nobody talks much about it because it doesn’t currently exist. 15 years ago, all you could order to your door was pizza. Uber changed the game and I think a company like Archer especially with the backing of big companies has a huge leap ahead of competitors. Cheap too, I’ve been buying since 3$. Next Choice: NVO or companies that specialize in weight loss drugs. While I disagree with the weight loss drugs, it’s a buy. Why? They are recommending it to obese kids now. The kicker is, you don’t take it for a few months and stop. It is a drug that you are on for a lifetime. I understand the flaw of man. People want things quick and easy without looking too much into side effects. That’s why I think this company is extremely undervalued looking out 10-15 years
To me it’s a question of energy. The VTOL are (surprising to me) more efficient per passenger kilometer than a gasoline powered car, and about on-par with an electric vehicle (assuming low occupancy). So as long as they replace trips taken by internal combustion engine, then it’s good. If they replace a trip that would have otherwise been on public transportation, then we are using 2x-5x more energy for that same trip.
VTOL =Vertical takeoff and LANDING.
They make VTOL taxis right? I don’t really get the market besides the novelty of it.
It is insane to me that people think the only reason we don't all have our own flying machines is because we haven't figured out the VTOL part. Can you imagine your neighbour taking off for work every morning, right outside your window? Running out of fuel/battery and slamming into houses or commercial building? Just being super bad at flying in general? Helicopters already exist for other uses.
In cities let's have a good public transit system. The only place I would not allow frequent VTOL flights, especially without pilot licenses is cities. The noise is mainly a problem in cities, and any accident is a lot bigger in cities.
The overhyping of ACHR continues…Joby and Beta were main partners here not ACHR. Mods must control this spam postings. They can go back to r/ACHR that they have setup for this pure crappy propaganda. Friends I keep saying this whenever I see Archer getting hyped… They are mostly style over substance. PR over progress. Promises over delivery. Misleading vs Factual Etc. They don’t have certifiable product. They has one prototype which is has been exploited as showpiece than actual testing….and their second prototype is having major design changes than first one… They product is too heavy and cannot VTOL so now they showing hat as CTOL. Lastly for what it matters Cathie/Ark has invested here and this is also recommended by Jim Cramer!! This cult has setup separate sub r/ACHR where if you asked question they ban you.
I should preface. I have no business giving any advice to anybody on investing. I do stay up to date with a lot of aviation trends, and the big players. And this seems like a no-brainer. Especially if they can develop energy efficient methods to fly these they are going to be the next car. There’s no way we can keep expanding the roads and keeping this many vehicles on the ground forever. This is from deepseek ### 🚁 **Pure-Play VTOL Stocks: High Risk, High Reward** *(Ranked by near-term potential)* #### **1. Joby Aviation ($JOBY)** - **What they do:** Electric air taxis (5 seats, 150-mile range). - **Catalysts:** - FAA certification expected **late 2025** (biggest near-term catalyst). - Partnerships: **Delta Air Lines**, Toyota, Uber. - Already flying 30,000+ test miles. - **Financials:** - $1.2B cash (no bankruptcy risk until 2027+). - Revenue expected 2026 ($200M+). - **Entry Strategy:** - **Ideal buy zone: $4.50–$5.50/share** (currently ~$5.20). - Buy in 3 tranches: 50% now, 25% at $4.80, 25% at $4.50. - **Price Target:** $12–$15 by 2026 (if FAA approves). --- #### **2. Archer Aviation ($ACHR)** - **What they do:** Urban air mobility (4 seats, 100-mile range). - **Catalysts:** - **United Airlines** ordered 200 aircraft ($1B+ potential). - FAA certification target: **2025**. - Testing piloted flights in 2024. - **Financials:** - $700M cash (runway into 2026). - Revenue start: 2025 (limited scale). - **Entry Strategy:** - **Ideal buy zone: $2.80–$3.50/share** (currently ~$3.90). - Wait for pullback below $3.60 (volatile stock). - **Price Target:** $8–$10 by late 2025. #### **3. Lilium ($LILM)** - **What they do:** Regional jets (6 seats, 155-mile range). - **Catalysts:** - Focus on longer routes (e.g., city-to-airport). - Backed by **Bavarian State Govt.** & private investors. - EASA (Europe) certification target: **2026**. - **Risks:** - Higher cash burn ($100M/quarter). - Needs $500M+ funding by 2025 (likely dilution). - **Entry Strategy:** - **Only buy below $0.90/share** (currently ~$0.95). - Small position (≤3% of VTOL allocation). - **Price Target:** $2.50+ if certification succeeds (2026). --- ### 🔋 **Critical Enablers: Less Volatile, High Upside** #### **1. Honeywell ($HON)** - **Role:** Makes avionics, motors, and flight controls for eVTOLs. - **Advantage:** - Supplies **Joby, Archer, Supernal**. - Steady dividends (2.3% yield). - **Entry:** Buy below **$190/share** (currently ~$195). #### **2. EHang ($EH)** - **Role:** Autonomous air taxis (dominant in China). - **Catalyst:** - World’s 1st certified passenger eVTOL (China, 2023). - Scaling flights in Guangzhou/Shenzhen. - **Risk:** U.S. delisting threat (China-based). - **Entry:** Buy **$14–$16/share** (currently ~$18). #### **3. Blade Air Mobility ($BLDE)** - **Role:** *Operator* (not manufacturer) of urban air routes. - **Edge:** - Already profitable (helicopters → eVTOLs). - Partnering with **Beta, Joby, Electra**. - **Entry:** Buy **$2.80–$3.20/share** (currently ~$3.05). --- ### ⚡ **Battery Tech: The Fuel of eVTOLs** - **QuantumScape ($QS):** Solid-state batteries (2x energy density). - Entry: **$5.50–$6.50** (wait for pullback; high risk). - **Microvast ($MVST):** Aviation-grade battery packs. - Entry: **$0.35–$0.45** (speculative but cheap). --- ### 💡 **Smart Portfolio Allocation** | **Ticker** | % of VTOL Allocation | Entry Price | Notes | |------------|----------------------|------------------|---------------------------| | **$JOBY** | 40% | $4.50–$5.50 | Anchor position | | **$ACHR** | 25% | <$3.60 | High volatility | | **$HON** | 15% | <$190 | Safe dividend | | **$BLDE** | 10% | $2.80–$3.20 | Operator leverage | | **$QS** | 10% | $5.50–$6.50 | Battery moonshot | *(Keep total VTOL allocation ≤ 30% of your overall portfolio)* --- ### ⚠️ **Critical Rules** 1. **Never chase pumps:** eVTOL stocks can surge 50% in a week then crash. 2. **Set sell triggers:** - Sell 25% at 2x gain. - Sell another 25% at 3x. - Hold the rest 5–10 years. 3. **DCA > lump sum:** Invest in 3–4 chunks over 6 months to average down. --- ### 📅 **Timeline to "Never Worry About Money"** - **2025–2027:** Ride certification catalysts ($JOBY, $ACHR 3–5x). - **2028–2030:** Shift profits into cash-flow assets (real estate, dividend stocks). - **2035+:** If VTOLs become the "next EVs," your $10K could grow to $250K+. > *"The big money is made by sitting, not trading."* > — **Jesse Livermore** ---
If you have access to a chat, GPT ask for an assessment of the VTOL sector for the next 10 years and go from there. I did it this morning and it gave me a whole bunch of good advice acknowledge on companies that are in the sector. They’re worth looking at archer is one of them along with Joby.
Friends I keep saying this whenever I see Archer getting hyped… They are mostly style over substance. PR over progress. Promises over delivery. Misleading vs Factual Etc. They don’t have certifiable product. They has one prototype which is has been exploited as showpiece than actual testing….and their second prototype is having major design changes than first one… They product is too heavy and cannot VTOL so now they showing hat as CTOL. Lastly for what it matters Cathie/Ark has invested here and this is also recommended by Jim Cramer!! This cult has setup separate sub r/ACHR where if you asked question they ban you.
Huh? That have already proven VTOL.
Friends I keep saying this whenever I see Archer getting hyped… They are mostly style over substance. PR over progress. Promises over delivery. Misleading vs Factual Etc. They don’t have certifiable product. They has one prototype which is has been exploited as showpiece than actual testing….and their second prototype is having major design changes than first one… They product is too heavy and cannot VTOL so now they showing hat as CTOL. Lastly for what it matters Cathie/Ark has invested here and this is also recommended by Jim Cramer!! This cult has setup separate sub r/ACHR where if you asked question they ban you.
Why isn't Leonardo Helicopter (FINMY) more popular? They have an internal combustion civilian VTOL doing FAA certification and it's far along in development with multiple airframes flying.
The energy density of any existing batteries really isn't high enough to be viable for any commercial forms of flight. Making the airplane take off vertically will only use energy even faster. If VTOL air taxis were really as good of an idea as Archer claims, someone would already be making thousands of them with gas engines of some sort. I think Archer's stock is going to trade on hype rather than any fundamentals based on a commercially viable product.
Big man wants EV VTOL. Freedom cities with flying cars.
JOBY golden cross imminent! Tariff man hates chip stocks but he loves VTOL hype beasts with no revenue
VTOL stuff doesn't matter when it comes to RKLB
Wrong. President signed a VTOL EO on friday.
Lost me at electric VTOL. Lol
It's coilin’ hard under $10. MACD boutta flip, RSI comfy. Grab them Oct $10 calls or sell $9 puts for entry drip. Shorties gonna get torched on VTOL news IMO
We have VTOL not EVTOL. And its consumer based, uber for the skies baby
Also did ACHR just make a small fancy looking piloted airplane ✈️ I thought there was a VTOL competition going on??
I am in the play but it hinges on how integrated Archer will be with Anduril. Lots of VTOL competition out there. VTOL taxi profitability is hopium in the next 10-15yrs (if at all), so it will heavily rely on defense sector. IMHO
And while historically never at this level of *direct involvement*, every year politics plays a huge impact on the economy and the market. That’s who is setting policies, deciding rates, passing laws, enabling regulations, etc. So often, the economy is cited as a reason by voters as to why they voted X over Y. Even if you base your evaluation of a company on current situation, outlook, and fundamentals, if you ignore the regulatory involvement or possible policies coming down the pipe, you’re not making a thorough evaluation. It’s like buying into VTOL stocks without thinking about the FAA.
Don’t listen to these guys. I spoke to a pilot and VTOL is at least 5 years out from profits. The PLTR partnership is a marketing stunt which speaks to bad fundamentals. At this point it’s a hype stock, nothing more. You can yolo a few shares of it but I wouldn’t go all in on it. The real leader of VTOL is tbd, and that is assuming it becomes viable at all.
RKLB yes, Archer no, spoke to a pilot and VTOL is 5 years out from profitability at least, it’s a hype stock. RKLB on the other hand is scaling profitability with their new rocket, the space economy is just getting started. Can’t speak for the other stocks.
You jest, but he literally said that the Roadster will have miniature rockets and VTOL capabilities when it comes out. clown world
You go ahead and invest in a Chinese VTOL company. I'll invest in an American company backed by a manufacturer known for its reliability.
Here’s a few. 1/8/25 UAV Corp. (UMAV) Further Reduces Authorized Shares to 500 Million https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2025/01/08/3006627/0/en/UAV-Corp-UMAV-Further-Reduces-Authorized-Shares-to-500-Million.html 12/30/24 UAV Corp’s (UMAV) Skyborne Technology to Build “SKY” Hangar at Its Costin Airport https://stateaviationjournal.com/index.php/state-news/florida/uav-corps-umav-skyborne-technology-to-build-sky-hangar-at-its-costin-airport 12/2/24 Skyborne Technology, Inc., a UAV Corp Company (UMAV) and Atlantic Industrial Group Inc. (AIG) Announce AI Manufacturing JV for VTOL & Lighter than Air Vehicles https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2024/12/02/2989581/0/en/Skyborne-Technology-Inc-a-UAV-Corp-Company-UMAV-and-Atlantic-Industrial-Group-Inc-AIG-Announce-AI-Manufacturing-JV-for-VTOL-Lighter-than-Air-Vehicles.html I found this one interesting about INI/Stark Aerospace.. 9/21/22 UAV CORP (UMAV) TO DEMONSTRATE ISRAEL AEROSPACE INDUSTRIES, LTD.’S HD CAMERA SENSOR PAYLOAD ON UPCOMING TEST FLIGHTS https://news.futunn.com/en/post/19740311/uav-corp-umav-to-demonstrate-israel-aerospace-industries-ltd-s?level=2&data_ticket=1743224376912130
Electric VTOL would have been good in a more environmentally conscious administration but this one is too busy taking a wrecking ball to everything including EV incentives as well as carbon restriction regulations. Why invest in expensive electric aircraft when you can cheaply plow money into already proven fossil fuels now?
Say pal, can I interested you in a couple million shares in an up-and-coming AI Blockchain FSD VTOL company called Aerotyne International?
I just need archers electric VTOL to crash in the same manner as LUNR. Just to watch the bagholders break 
ACHR making moves in Abu Dhabi. [First revenue-generating Midnight aircraft coming later this year]. Big dick energy with that $1B liquidity. Defense looking juicy af too. Partnered with Anduril for some hybrid VTOL action. Military boys gonna eat this up. Starting production at their Georgia facility. Planning 10 aircraft this year. Not playing around. Abu Dhabi Aviation gonna be first to get these flying taxis. Smart move testing in markets with less red tape than FAA. Spending stayed flat last quarter while others burning cash like crazy. Management actually knows wtf they doing. Unlike some other EV companies *cough* TSLA *cough*.
If you are being serious, it was a meme stock that ran for a couple months last year. It is basically a VTOL or electric low attitude planes. Not very much cargo space to them either. Military applications and middle eastern interest as well as the whole "environmentally friendly" shtick is what it has going for it currently. Personally I think the idea is stupid. But I also thought/still think electric vehicles are stupid given if you've ever owned a remote controlled car or laptop or anything that runs off electric batteries. That said, look where tesla stock price went.
https://investors.archer.com/news/news-details/2024/Archer-Announces-Strategic-Partnership-With-Anduril-to-Develop-Hybrid-VTOL-Military-Aircraft-Raises-An-Additional-430M/default.aspx
In comparison to a regular helicopter or VTOL they do not.
The Palmer Luckey / Anduril connection is really the big deal for me. I would invest hand over fist if I could in Anduril. Archer is the closest thing. Anduril and Archer have an exclusive partnership on a DoD defense contract for militarized hybrid VTOL aircraft. So I think that's really promising. Palmer is really the most (R) Silicon Valley guy there was. Enough to get fired at Meta and lost his child Oculus.
Atlantic Industrial Group (AIG) is a vertically and horizontally integrated holding company specializing in logistics, defense software, and aerospace manufacturing. Their operations encompass the production of Vertical Take-Off and Landing (VTOL) drones, various vehicle components, munitions, and the development of training software utilizing modern simulation platforms.  AIG’s strategic approach involves acquiring underutilized technologies to develop scalable solutions that outperform existing systems. Notably, in January 2025, AIG acquired Elytron Aircraft LLC, founded by aircraft designer Oliver Garrow. This acquisition aims to enhance AIG’s manufacturing and marketing capabilities, particularly with the T-Wing drone, recognized for its high lift-to-weight ratio, extended range, and superior maneuverability. Manufacturing is planned in Florida and Mississippi.  In January 2025, AIG entered into an alliance with Skyborne Technology, a subsidiary of UAV Corp, to co-develop technologies into a combined platform. This collaboration focuses on creating long-term, high-altitude carrier vehicles capable of operating, controlling, and transporting fleets of drones across various environments. The initiative aims to disrupt the lighter-than-air, drone, and security markets.  AIG’s mission centers on acquiring underutilized technologies that offer efficient manufacturing solutions, developing manufacturing capacity to produce these products, and providing superior results in defense and logistics sectors.  For more detailed information about AIG’s projects and initiatives, you can visit their official website: 
Elon going to call the F-35 corrupt and cancel the contract and then sell supersonic VTOL tesla robotaxis to replace them.
Consider the quantum computing valuations. VTOL? DJT? As others have said, it’s the derivative and the double derivative that really matter here. All that valuation could easily crash if this earnings isn’t explosive. I’m hopeful it will be. Everyone I know likes Reddit. Everyone. Mom included.
Anduril has a partnership with EV manufacturer Archer $ACHR https://investors.archer.com/news/news-details/2024/Archer-Announces-Strategic-Partnership-With-Anduril-to-Develop-Hybrid-VTOL-Military-Aircraft-Raises-An-Additional-430M/default.aspx
100% agree with you. One thing to note is the vast amounts of partnerships Joby and Archer are setting up. Military alone has so much potential with Air Force and Andruil both being big backers. Outside of commercial modes of transportation, the drone and VTOL technologies they are building have a ton of applications across many sectors. Always key to see the benefits outside of a "flying uber" !
that's a mistake on my part, it's the 2022-2023 period that rate hikes occurred and led to the stock market becoming choppy for that period. There was a rotation from speculative stocks to "value" stocks for that moment in time. If that happens again anytime soon then the quantum, electric VTOL and similar type stocks will be the first to go and they'll fall hard relative to the index.
I'll be shocked if they have any aircraft capable of commercial operations coming off that production line by the year's end. I think they're building a great aircraft, but that thing is complex. They *just* got a certificate of occupancy, they still need to construct their entire production line, train technicians, work out kinks, test the aircraft... it's a *lot* of work. And their type cert is going to be loooooooong. EV, VTOL, articulating props, lots of software integration, all at the mercy of a gutted FAA that takes a political hit for supporting EV aircraft. Even if we give them commercial operations under an experimental cert by year end, actually type certifying this aircraft is going to be a monster.
You obviously don't follow Archer or Joby closely and just listen to headlines. Below is the rate of production for that new facility which is 10 for 2025. Archer to date has only completed one non-conforming Midnight aircraft. They have been building 6 conforming aircraft that they have yet to announce completing yet and have missed several of their own deadlines on them. Joby's pilot production facility has completed 5 production prototype aircraft to date and are at a rate of one per month, which is increasing to 2 a month at that facility with their upgrade in work that should be completed towards the end of Q1 2025. Archer will be trying to reach that same rate of 2 per month at the end of 2025. Joby owns the land and some old buildings for their future main production facility in Dayton OH which is near WPAFB the largest acquisition base. A board advisor is not going to change DoD revenue, especially considering he literally came off of the Joby board 2 months prior. Joby has more USAF funding obligated vs Archer, so please don't mention the up to contract value because then you don't know Government contracts. Yes, Archer Defense can be an amazing ROI with a hybrid VTOL, but they don't even have the hybrid VTOL developed let alone tested. They are targeting a Program of Record (PoR), which means they are going at risk until they can win a contract. That won't be a small feat considering they have no system level testing of their hybrid VTOL that they don't even have a prototype for. Archer's is 80% commercial off the shelf (COTS) parts vs Joby being almost completely vertically integrated. That explains the difference of speed for these companies. Bottom line is that both of these companies need to succeed for the eVTOL industry, but don't spread nonsense of saying they are the clear leader. I was arguing before with the thread OP that these piloted flights were not going to happen in Dec 2024 and here we are now going in Feb. A lot of smoke gets pushed out, I mean he was trying to convince people the NJ drone sightings was the one and ONLY Midnight aircraft that Archer has. https://preview.redd.it/5n8pc4pou7ge1.png?width=1412&format=png&auto=webp&s=1ea4d42da2d8e31fc7132743f66c626b5c334ff3
January 28, 2025: UAV Corp. unveiled its AI-powered Wide Area Motion Imagery (WAMI) technology. January 15, 2025: the company engaged legal counsel to initiate the process of uplisting to the OTCQB actively negotiating government and commercial contracts leveraging its DART Series airships and UAV platforms the company has secured LOIs amounting to over $105 million for its DART Series airships A partnership with Atlantic Industrial Group (AIG) has been established to integrate Vertical Take-Off and Landing (VTOL) technologies  Plans are underway to construct the “SKY” hangar at Skyborne’s Costin Airport Prepping for substantial growth in 2025 actual outcomes will depend on various factors