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RiskRiches

WW2 ended a long time ago and there have been no wars affecting stocks since.

StrengthToBreak

Markets will react like we just avoided WW3, even though 30% tariffs will still be disastrous for consumers.

prometeus58

Good day to all regards, this either pump before WW3 or we back on track to rock 

roygbivasaur

The word meme is from the 70s but the actual cultural phenomenon is really old. A famous one is [Killroy Was Here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here) from WW2. You can even say that culture itself relies on memes (which is what Richard Dawson and many of the people who now study memes believe).

Top-Turn1055

Two weeks ago, I got like 50 downvotes for simply saying we weren't going to be in a hot war with China when someone posted that Mango's tariffs were going down in history as what triggered WW3. 

Jeffoxy

Veterans day was renamed to WW2 Remembrance Day in order to remember the brave people who fought on BOTH sides 

Few_Engineering4414

Sorry, but why do you think that? Protectionism’s heyday was the 19th century and before after WW I the US was the or at least among the most protectionist nations. Protectionism can be seen as economic nationalism, something normally seen in countries that otherwise couldn’t compete on the international market. But those can be one both sides of the political spectrum. If you are thinking about certain standards goods and their production have to fulfill, as seen in the EU for example, I wouldn’t count that as protectionism since the economical aspect is not the main focus there.

welltriedsoul

Wasn’t something like this attempted before with FDR and US Steel. As I recall SCOTUS shot it down. That was during WW2 when US Steel price gouged the government who was using them to make tanks

Skyboxmonster

The solution to panic buying is the reintroduction of WW2 rationing.

BertM4cklin

I understand that. I was saying if WW3 happens we’re all dead. you went off the deep end and here we are lol

Kranoath

Think he's trying to say he ended both WW1 and WW2.

OkTry9715

No, but the longer current conflict will drag on, the higher the chance is. Russia is pretty successful in hybrid warfare and making pro-russian politician elected in neighboring countries to Ukraine. EU and NATO are doing exactly zero to stop it or counter it. The more countries will help Russia in its effort, the higher chance there is. If NATO, EU will be same inactive/extremely slowly acting as they are now, it will probably end up in WW3 or at least major conflict in EU.

Vlmlee

We gapping up like we just won WW3 tomorrow

chobro17

2020 bears: "This market will never recover from COVID, would take a decade to recover" 2022 bears: "the Russia invasion will cause WW3 and the market will crash and never recover" 2025 bears: "the tarrifs will cause an irreversible impact on market and lead to a great depression" Just put the fries in the bag 

Capital_Ad281

Coming soon: start WW3 then sign a peace treaty and declare you are the most peace loving country in the world

unclellama

To be fair, WW2 was very good

AppleTree98

Agreed. I got voted down because people are I think to black and white. The China dilemma has been going on for probably 50 years. Hence them never getting to participate in the ISS or other advanced studies. If you look at a map there are four distinct counties that have isolation like the USA. The others are Brazil, China and Australia. Four huge countries that likely will be part of the next WW. America and China have been allies in the past however I think this ends in hot conflict in 10-15 years. America is gasping and running out of steam and China is like the runner with his second and third wind still being contained. American leadership is doing everything to hobble China. I just don't know if we, America, have enough tricks left to suppress them at this point.

dzogchenism

Dude everything Trump has done benefits Russia and China. Sometimes stuff he does benefits both, sometimes one or the other. It’s not just from an economic perspective. I mean everything he is doing geopolitically and a ton of things domestically ultimately are good for Russia or China. Weakening NATO, starting trade wars, verbally attacking allies, cutting aid, gutting all kinds of domestic programs to monitor worker safety, corporate pollution, etc. Trump is literally dismantling the post WW2 world order, ending Pax Americana, breaking US hegemony and that is very very good for Russia and China.

gwp16404

WW

daners101

In a year maybe. Anything can happen in a year. The company could go bankrupt for all I know lol. Hell even the Mag 7 stocks have been virtually cut in half once already this year. I’m trading options (not leaps), so I only care about the near-term data. Though if BTC follows its usual cycle, HOOD should do well all the way until the end of the year. Even into Q1 ‘26. But who knows. WW3 could start tomorrow for all anyone knows.

killzone44

On your first point: Earning have been fine, even strong. But people and businesses stocking up to front run tariff's will do that, doesn't mean it will last. The guidance is where the issue is, many are withholding guidance. It's hard to justify capex when the tariff thing is here, there, nowhere. On your second point: I agree. Third point: Yes, even if fed cuts rates the GDP has dropped, tax revenues have slowed. Sure some more tariff money coming in, but prices can only flex so much before people don't buy or can't buy as much, and this makes a cycle that drives layoff's. That cycle also dries up revenue to service treasury debts, at same time that a large amount of the national debt needs to be rolled forward. Plus the outbreak of WW3. So foreign holders will demand higher interest rate for the following reasons regardless of Fed rate cut. 1) Less tax revenue coming in to service debt 2) expected lower growth rate to service debt 3) Growing entitlements due 4) to f\* with Trump admin 5) eventually the government will try to bail out the system, and that will eventually make inflation, and that will eventually make bond interest payments worth less.

Interesting_Leg8859

Imagine a US military draft for WW3 from age 18-25....you basically putting the country's future in the hands of a WSB regard 

Brilliant_Guidance65

O o Ozempic (GLP-1's) wiped WW out of the game.

Opening_Basil_7783

This is what started WW1. Remember during Clinton Admin Tres Sec would always state “we want a strong dollar” but behind the scenes they are happy to have USD weaken in order to become more competitive. It’s a delicate dance

dimethylhyperspace

There's a WW1 style battle for the 200 day moving average. Bulls are trying to bid over it, bears are fading it. Could last awhile

BooBrew32

Holy FUCK! Penguin Island just joined the Pakistan/India/China/Australia/Sweden war. I think this this technically WW3, guys...

Pathogenesls

Doomers were wrong about both of those. Doomers have always been wrong. They were wrong about WW2 and nuclear weapons, they were wrong about the cold war, the oil crisis, the 70s climate crisis, peak oil, y2k, SARs, GFC etc.

trainwreck001

WHAT ABOUT WW4?

Vlmlee

WW3 canceled, sorry BERS

jhvh1134

It’s like buying IBM stock during WW2

Objective-Muffin6842

>Vance called Indian PM to encourage ceasefire talks Well fuck, better brace for WW3 then 

True-Key-799

WW1 militaries with nukes

NoBuyers

Ceased ceasefiring? [https://x.com/Apex\_WW/status/1921221702756778160](https://x.com/Apex_WW/status/1921221702756778160)

Stranger-Jaded

No one seemed to care when Zelensky was capturing his own men and forcing them to fight at gun point. Tactics straight out of Bezukov's(sp? Russian General) playbook in WW2. I don't think things are as bad as everyone makes them out. Last time, Trump was in office. Every week, a new round of news articles came out claiming he was causing the end of the world in one way or another. Then, we had the best economy in decades and saw actual growth until globalists released covid in their first attempt at the great reset. Unlike the fake market growth under the Biden administration, which was nothing more than federal spending to prop up the market from 2022-2024 after redefining a recession, and making the market double in value in as much time!

SvV_Ying

Pakistan India deal, so that’s the end of ‘WW3’

Icy-Lobster-203

Apparently during WW2, the German market continued to go up until Stalingrad.

Admirable-Zebra-4918

it is called real economic power. We print the money and indirectly control the flow of oil, currency values and free trade across the world because we built that up ever since WW2 - when we had to protect the gold and the trade system, for Europe, and other allies. We allow Germany to dominate with cars, France handbags and shoes, France weapons, etc - and we trade all the ideals and freedoms that the world needs as the preeminent free country that is actually diverse and the 'we are the world' view that all countries want to aspire to, and especially their leaders want to be - but can't because of their cultures of protectionism.

AgileHippo78

Pretty sure after WW3 is done, the US will physically be in a similar position as post-WW2 America. Only difference is a substantially larger amount of fallout and nuclear winter

pickledough

China should take this chance to settle border disputes with India popping off WW3 speedrun.

Strange-Objective436

WW2?

Dust-Sea

We have white vs white war. A Brown vs brown war. Now we need another yellow vs yellow or black vs black war. This shall be known in history books as the tricolored war or WW3.

ensui67

Yup, WW2? Stocks go up

Valkorion335786

We had a Great Depression before WW2 which revived our economy and made us a superpower It Made America Great Again 

ConfusedEagle6

Welp one step closer to WW3, it's all coming together now muahahahahahahaa

divy-lover

DM me when its a WW3 vet

ViscountDeVesci

WW2…..right…..

trumpdiego

Oh you wanted to learn about WW2? That topic is controversial and unfortunately we cannot talk about it.

Original_Basis654

A WW2 vet angry at Nazism is crazy left now? Was Winston Churchill also a crazy leftie?

99Fan

Gonna need WW3 tmo 

TahiniInMyVeins

I understand anything “could” be possible. What IS it? Whining about China “cheating” and lying is childish and hypocritical. The President lies constantly and has shredded longstanding trade agreements, including agreements he himself engineered during his last term. It’s why our former friends are actively looking for ways to work around us moving forward. The US has been the center of the financial world for decades. The deck has been stacked in its favor for some 70s years at this point. It is absolutely wild to say we have been operating at some kind of “unfair” disadvantage when it is the US that has benefited more than any other country from a global world order the US itself has established and led since WW2. I don’t care about trade imbalances. They make stuff, we buy it. Sometimes we buy it as end-use consumers, sometimes we buy to make more, better stuff and sell it to someone else. Fixating on trade imbalances is like getting angry the grocery store didn’t buy anything from you last time you picked up eggs. The goals of all this are clear as mud and any one of them would have been pursued better than immediately implementing blanket tariffs across everyone. If the issue is China, target China. If the issue is domestic manufacturing, target specific industries and invest in domestic manufacturing gradually and in parallel. Don’t randomly tariff the goods and materials our own domestic industries will need to operate. It is being handled so badly, so poorly, it is difficult to believe anything the administration tries to say regarding goals since what they say keeps changing and what they do doesn’t serve any of it. China now seems to be on better terms with Japan, Korea, and the rest of Asia since this tariff nonsense. If anyone is working against the US politically right now, it seems to be the US.

kotsumu

History is history, what CCP has been doing is recent and recent enpugh to affect everyone of us. US on the other hand had been playing the world police role since after WW2, and imo, it's continuing to play that role, just with less tact

KissmySPAC

History is written by the winners. I'm not laying out a double standard. Im saying it depends on the side you are on. People in power can have mercy or be cruel for no reason. I don't think it's a black and white thing of bully or not bully. We can't look back at history as some gold age of purity where only good things were done like WW2. I think it's more about agreeing with the actions taken and the results. The US has been very disappointing since the 80s, and China has taken steps to become a stronger power. There are winners and losers in the US, just as there are in China. If anything this US admin should have shown you is that there is only power. Nothing else matters, so i dont blame countries for using it. I look at the results of the efforts and I can say that the US has come up short.

0o0o0o0o0o0z

Yes, and their demographic curve was always pretty grim, just from WW2. I am not sure what price crude has to be at, but should it go much lower than it is now, I believe they are F'd in the A. Not to mention, I'm not sure how they cross back over from a non-wartime economy without crashing everything.

BootyOptions

Sorry I'm not making any Ford plays because I was born after WW2.

MayorMcBussin

I'm a little out of my depth here but it doesn't seem fair to compare the US stock market to post WW2, post-Nazi Germany. And with European and some Asian countries, the stock market returns don't matter as much because they have socialized heath care and retirement schemes. Here in America we rely on the stock market as our primary retirement plan. You don't need robust stock holdings in other countries because many of your basic expenses are covered or heavily subsidized like transportation, health care, and basic expenses.

Individual_Ad_5655

Nah, no chance of WW3.

Bumpy110011

Don’t speak too soon. If economically isolating China doesn’t work, many kids will get the chance to fight for their country. Never forget, WW2 was caused by degenerate rich Americans. 

RiskyAlpha

American here, go look at the stats for WW2. The Russians stopped Hitler not the US. We just provided the material.

fallout3king83

WW8 will happen before china makes that call, UK looks foolish bending the knee

captain_ahabb

I thought we were supposed to vote for Trump to *prevent* WW3

SirDavidDAR

Was in high school at the time. Had 8 friends, EIGHT FRIENDS, all have their fathers un alive themselves so life insurance would pay out and feed there families. It was tragic. All worked in finance, when job was lost, retirement accounts were burned through in 8 months flat keeping food on table and lights on in the house, maxing out credit cards. The major problem is that in certain positions in the finance world, when you declare bankruptcy, you lose your license and can no longer work in industry. At the time, many of them lacked degrees, and work experience outside of the industry, coupled with the hiring freezes, they were entirely unemployable, barred from their industry, entirely out of money, and sadly believed they were out of options indefinitely. Many left notes explaining this to their family, and even more tragically many were stifled by insurance due to self done incident rather than accident. Absolutely horrifically tragic in my community. As for my story, my father was laid off, he was also in finance, he worked odd jobs, renovating apartments and doing whatever he could to supplement burning through his savings and maxing out credit cards, all to avoid filing bankruptcy, as it would have ended his career (again you lose license for life). Times were hard, I never got to play sports again due to their costs, missed out on a lot of childhood, but I had an Xbox so between that and odd jobs I worked that’s where all my time went. Lost friends and will never get that time back, many experiences most people have I lack, not travelled much, not done water sports at the lake, never been skiing or even seen snow, never got golf lessons etc. It has made being an adult difficult, a golf outing, a fishing trip, stepping on a boat, bowling, ice skating, etc I have had to learn to do as an adult and had many weird looks. As for my father, he never did have to file bankruptcy. He got back into an entry level position in the finance industry in 2012, a whole 4 years after his job was lost, he worked his way back up, and in 2016 got an offer bringing him back to where he was in 2008. In 2020, he finally got a promotion from where he was in 2008 a whopping 12 years later. In 2022 all debt was paid off and retirement has become a focus again while saving like mad. Although it has has a drastic life altering effect for some families, others actually came out on top. Less leveraged families, less affected careers were able to buy homes in cash at crazy low prices. To put it into perspective, the stock market actually fully recovered in a matter of months, however it took until late 2010 (about 2+ years) for unemployment to START to recover, with domestic GDP beginning to recover late 2011, and median household net worth beginning to recover in 2012. EVERYONE remains affected to this day by 2008, for better or for worse, either getting in to homes for cheap pre-recovery and pre-covid booms, often many flipping several for profit and upgrading or maintaining lifestyle while pulling in cash, while others will likely never retire, missed childhood events, and many children (millennials today) have stunted life experiences which you now see in the travel and materialism trends as they begin to recover. Many older millennials were forced to get graduate degrees as there were no jobs available at graduation, which has raised the number of degree holding job applicants as well as the level of degree held, which has in turn caused many industries to become highly competitive for employment. There are many other lasting effects due to 2008, and the root cause was not a one off. I directly link it to FDR’s New Deal where govt stimulus has forever since preceded economic growth, which led to banks creating extreme leverage as the middle man to govt stimulus and corporate liquidity. Take note, every president since except one, Reagan, has followed suit, yes every single one, has used govt stimulus to lead economic growth. This has created a loop where inflation is guaranteed, and collapse is also guaranteed, as they can not at all times remain solvent, govt can not stimulate economy at certain points without causing inflation even with yields and rates play. For example, covid. To further elaborate, FDR had little choice much like all predecessors, as this is all actually fallout of the global recovery efforts from WW1 and WW2. The more ya know. I’ll let anyone interested in that learn more on there own, but that’s been my communities experiences with 2008.

NVDAismygod

Reminder to not let your emotions get in the way and listen to the Reddit doomer bear. Most people on Reddit are under 25 with almost nothing in their portfolios. This sub is also recommended to everyone so the worst of the worst takes/opinions funnel in here. Always, always, always inverse the general consensus of this place. The markets have survived WW2, the Great Depression, numerous genocides, 9/11, COVID, 2008 etc. This is nothing. But the Reddit will say this is the worst thing ever. Let’s have a moment of silence to those who were on the sidelines and missed.

cultoftheclave

however a WW2-era neighborhood that ordinarily would be gentrified out the ass by now just so happened to get burned completely to the ground in once in a century fire, well... Alta La Dena, baby.

Aggravating_Fee7018

Funny, I’d probably trust getting a weight loss injection or pill more through WW, since they’ve been known for weight loss for years — more through WW than through a pharma company. Good luck with your position.

IamGigi123

I'm like waaaaay new to stock trading. I had bought stock in a prior employer and after I left them I sold it and dumped it into WW. It wasn't much, like $1,700 so I figured whatever if I lose it, not a huge amount. I'm more worried about selling and getting screwed on my taxes...again VERY NEW to stocks and just trying to learn.

killerdrgn

You should have gotten rid of WW stock as soon as Ozempic was announced.

CMDR_Shepard96

WW3 could literally break out and SPY would still pump 3%.

DarkxMa773r

I think he is convinced that the rest of the world owes us for creating the prosperity we see in the world today. After saving the Allies during WW2, we rebuilt Europe, "liberated" the world from the Communists, opened up trade with China, pacified Japan, educated the world out our prestigious universities, etc. To Rump and the people who manage him, we are overdue for recompense, especially from our allies. That's why they seem so much more aggressive towards places like Canada and Denmark.

AnonymousTimewaster

I mean, we in Europe have been America’s ally through and through. We’ve traded with you, relied on your military protection, and absorbed your culture through sheer osmosis. And in return, you became the richest, most powerful country in history. Your people became the wealthiest on the planet hy a large margin. And through all of that, we swallowed a lot. We turned a blind eye to CIA coups, illegal foreign wars, shady interventions etc because it didn’t affect us directly, and we believed we were on the same side. But Trump? He’s basically declared economic war on the world for no reason. Just as inflation is settling, just as Europe is still trying to hold the line in Ukraine ... boom. Tariffs, more chaos, and GOP officials laughing about it, about *us* on live national TV. Honestly, I've never seen such blatant arrogant disrespect to BBC journalists in my life. But honestly, it’s not just Trump and his lackeys. It’s the whole attitude. The constant superiority complex. The “we saved your asses in WW2” thing that gets thrown around. The sneering at Europe as weak, socialist, backwards, even when we outperform the US on healthcare, education, quality of life. You see it all over Reddit in subs like r/USDefaultism and r/ShitAmericansSay. People document this stuff for a reason because it hits a nerve after a while. American tourists are infamous for being loud, entitled, completely unaware of where they are or how things work outside the US, and now that arrogance is spilling into trade and diplomacy too. So this is just the boiling point. People are genuinely angry. They’re tired of being disrespected, taken for granted, and talked down to. And they’re finally starting to realise just how dependent we’ve been on things like American tech, defence, entertainment, social media etc. It’s like what happened with Russian gas. We didn’t realise how bad the dependency was until the pressure hit. And now that the mask has slipped with the US, people aren’t going to forget. And they’re not going to go back to “normal” just because Trump vanishes. I mean, I know it's stupid, but just look at the relationship between the President and Prime Minister in Love Actually. This kind of hostility has been brewing for a while now.

Dependent_Fondant_60

Didn't Nasteadmus predict WW3 would start in the middle east exactly where Pakistan and India are starting a massive war against each other?

Splashbucket86

First, I’m sorry for your loss. And yes I know our history and how the French helped us as they hated your country more than us so it worked in those favor. That said, it’s war. Although when it comes to Middle East that’s an unsolvable problem. In the long run but the USA 🇺🇸 is always going to get revenge when we are attacked such as 9/11! Somebody has to pay and unfortunately many innocent people also lost their lives. I also have friends that lost their sons in 1 way or another from the Middle East conflicts and truth to told everything over there is back to pre 9/11 times. To the point I wouldn’t penalize workers for the past conflicts. Case in point, Germany sells a lot of cars to their enemies from WW2. The world goes on!

majrBuzzkill

The US stock market makes up 65% of the world's stock market market cap. It is the biggest consumer in the world by volume even though it is 3rd largest population by a WIDE margin. Because of post WW2 US dominance the US dollar is the world's reserve currency. All these factors make the US a fundamentally more per capita lucrative market, and with more purchasing power (due to the relative strength of the dollar against a foreign currency, and the larger demand) ,the US can and will have higher negotiating power.

Cautious-Seesaw

I'm in Ireland but follow England very closely. Its amazing to me that the English could vote in tories for a decade and a half, have gutted services, gdp growth kept on life support by immigration, and after not even a year apparently polls show that England thinks its a labour economy. I'm not taking shots at you as an individual but England is collapsing from the tories, English children are getting shorter due to malnutrition, there are rising cases of scurvy and other crazy nonsense. Like the tories did such a gutting of the place, and apparently they also left massive debt aswell somehow while having the highest tax burden for the middle class since WW2. Also I think farage is much more adept and attuned to playing the game than the tories, and would gut the place past oliver twist if he got in. He'd eat badenoch alive in any debate.

tashibum

Replying for context for everyone, but no doubt this will be deleted: OP: "Markets are up 14% since last month. A moment of silence for everyone who sold the bottom and/or didn't buy in Reminder to not let your emotions get in the way and listen to the Reddit doomer. Most people on Reddit are under 25 with almost nothing in their portfolios. This sub is also recommended to everyone so the worst of the worst takes/opinions funnel in here. Always, always, always inverse the general consensus of this place. The markets have survived WW2, the Great Depression, numerous genocides, 9/11, COVID, 2008 etc. This is nothing. But the Reddit will say this is the worst thing ever. Let’s have a moment of silence to those who were on the sidelines and missed. "

PaleontologistOne919

This question was asked during “The Great War” “WW2” “GFC” ,the countless other events that caused drops and I believe the answer is the Industrial Revolution has gone parabolic. Guns can’t stop it, Trump can’t stop it, large companies will make more and more money for the foreseeable future with only what turns out to be short term fluctuations. Always be buying

ShogunMyrnn

Yes its confirming that 10% is the base tariff. UK doesnt have much money at the moment to afford US goods anyway, even the 6 billion number brought up is stretching it, and if they do meet this, that number is taken out of trade with the EU and China. I dont know how this will work with the EU, China, Japan and korea. If all of a sudden you start taking massive amounts of money away from China and the EU, you push up the chances of WW3 massively. US is already by far the richest country in the world, if we keep pushing it, there will be a massive reaction from China.

EnZ07boyyy

Good now the Vatican will back us up in WW3

x_Lyze

I'm in Sweden and in April I convinced my Mum to sell nearly all her stocks into what I believe is a diverse bunch of mainly European bonds. I expect EU markets to do better than the US, but I give about 1% chance we're not going to see *a lot* more instability in the coming years (or decades). This upheaval will almost certainly lead to more wars, which has a real risk of spiraling into WW3. War in Europe, war in the Middle East, what looks like a war starting in South Asia. And that's before Trump gets *really* involved, to distract from the coming domestic discontent if nothing else—and to attempt to impose war laws and martial law.

hocuspocus4201

UK has become US poodle since WW2. No surprise about them bending the knee to the US.

CallousBastard

The market is still in denial about the short and long term consequences of Trump's reckless dismantling of the global political/economic status quo that made the US such a successful superpower since the end of WW2. Eventually, the consequences will be impossible to ignore, but we're not there yet.

momostacker

Bagholders too busy trying to pump wolf for 5%. Same happened with WW at .33 before it squeezed to $1.

Major_Shlongage

This is just a completely uneducated way of thinking. A more informed person would understand that FDR inadvertently caused this problem by implementing wage controls during WW2. Since employers couldn't pay new hires more money, employers began throwing in benefits such as health insurance as part of their compensation. From that point forward, health insurance became linked to your employer.

SidonyD

UK is the b\*tch of US. Since the WW2, UK is the puppet of UK. General De Gaulle hated UK for that. He refused to see UK in EU. And finally, UK joined EU after De Gaulle death ...

Redfield11

WW3 starting over in Asia was apparently priced in.

gkdjsl

the whole post WW2 order has done nothing but benefit America, and this fucking moron is speedrunning its collapse because "we've been ripped off, treated so badly" and garbage like American beef

TeslaInvester

Roosevelt and Churchill had a press conference just like this before WW2 

HuskersMakeMeSad

This deal is pretty much as big as the end of WW2

KotMyNetchup

Today's deal = literally as amazing as the end of WW II 🤓

Redfield11

Love how they're trying to use WW2 to hype this up

_lueless

We won WW2, pump IT!

The_Obzrvr

WW recovering nice after a good entry at .36 wish I got in with ASST early. KIDZ might be a play soon.

Bobibouche

We had a deal before tariffs, it was the established post-WW2 economic order. It was upended by tariffs. Now all we have is uncertainty and $8 eggs.🥚

corndog_messiah

I swear in 2027 with the economy collapsed halfway into WW3 this fucker still gonna be talking about Biden and egg prices

No-Contribution1070

If Pakistan decides to foolishly use the N bomb. Here is what will happen. 1. Pakistan will cease to exist. 2. WW3. At which point money won't matter to anyone So I'm not worried about my investments.

Adorable_Ad_9381

The same situation we were in after WW2 and the a-bomb. The genie was out of the bottle at that point and the Russians were going to develop a nuclear weapon whether they stole our secrets or not.

No_Can_1532

Perfect timing too! WW3 coming full speed!

icarus_iii

0% chance it's India, IMO. And I can't see that deal getting announced anytime "soon", with tensions between India and Pakistan really starting to ramp up. I think it'd be spun as the USA 'picking sides', Pakistan would team up with China, and WW3 starts The deal is with the UK

GrinNGrit

All the more reason for India to come to the table. “Give us guns and no more tariffs for you!” Trump will get to look like he’s brokering peace and stability in some twisted fucked up way, while also claiming that this is the sign of a wave of new trade deals. Shit, maybe WW3 is all he needs to get everyone to the table! Ukraine, Taiwan, now India - who cares if we can’t hold up our end of the bargain. When has Trump ever lied?! In all seriousness, could you imagine if it turns out to be Pakistan? What a plot twist that would be!

ritzcrv

>The big production difference between us and China is that they started heavily subsidizing manufacturing automation 40 years ago Yes. The US did it's heavy subsidized industry from the WW2 years thru the 50's. All the war department funded manufacturing plants were available for consumer goods afterwards. Boeing became the world leader in aviation only because of the taxpayers cash from war planes. Military spending added to advancement of many things. China has made the most of the automated industrial revolution just as western nations did from the industrial revolution. The lesson the USA refused to get was in improving their nation for its citizens and residents. The simple comparison of infrastructure projects is clear, China built high speed rail, the USA let it's bridges collapse. And as for business and economics, for a Chinese company to go public, they need to be profitable. The US markets used to require that too. But then that was not even a consideration anymore. An unfounded claim of future profit was enough for the investment banks to market the paper. All because the goal was to make profit from reselling the paper, not for the company to actually turn a profit for its shareholders. Tesla is the perfect example of ridiculous stock valuation. The lesson of 2007 has been ignored. I've been to Guangzhou and Beijing, but didn't have the opportunity to go to Shenzhen or Shanghai. On one trip to Beijing I was notified of a change, we were one of the first planes to land at Daxing. What an amazing facility. Good conversation, I wish you the best.

EnigmaSpore

**Post WW2 USA:** *"Do I look like a joke to you?"*