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selfemployedsince16

When do we get to strip the Scamericans of their homes, titles and honor? I’m talking vets on full disability with ED or “back pain” but have never deployed. I’m talking government contractors I’m talking medical services that rob tax payers through Medicare/caid. I’m talking legislators who write laws for companies they or friends run/own. I’m talking about auditing the fed, the irs and the DOD. I’m talking about freeing the tax adding citizens from the corruption from the takers. It needs to FUCKING END! The generations that have created such a mess won’t be here to witness the ramifications of what happens when economic incentives are not aligned with societal goals. The alternative is what we look at now. We are going to let China have world domination by soft power. Our hard power + corruption leads to a when not if we get overthrown and cast down the global hierarchy. They beat us at exporting cheap goods and services, that was WW3. End all fraud and waste or else watch the end of the dollar. I don’t recommend call options on metal, I recommend you buy as close to melt as possible. The dollar dies the more accountability is evaded.

Otherwise-Coyote6950

Is Ukraine crazy to attack Putin's residence? Do these guys want WW3? Fucking insane, gold hasn't even gone up...weird

deal-Gate922

There will be no “hiding” in a potential WW3. The planet will get nuked to extinction, or there will never be another global war besides proxy conflict

cannythecat

Market is saying we'll still have LULU leggings during WW3.

friedapple

The cycle has been 20 years stock -> 10 years metals -> stocks again 20 then metals since after WW2

d33p7r0ubl3

Looks like WW3 is back on the table

bearhunter429

#They will arrange WW3 soon but not because of any enmity between countries. It will be so that countries can curb millions of unemployed men when AI takes everyone's jobs. LMAO🤌

Throwmeaway50472

I fundamentally agree in a lot of ways even to an extent on WW3, I just see it as a broader result of the capitalist class selling out to defeat the USSR + became even more tyrannical under unipolarity since the early 90s. Also America is not Weimar Germany, I know I used that as reference, but I just used that as context more than comparison of what’s happening since Germany was just one of the powers of that time which was forced into paying war debts. However my hypothesis has sort of changed and I do have a suspicion of this inflation now being turned as a means to be weaponized. Since the US has the privilege of running global fiat essentially, it can print and then it can also starve $ liquidity. It’s sort of the Dollar Milkshake Theory, but I do believe the inverse will happen once they refinance the debt at the lowest terms possible. I’m not sure what sort of political runway the current admin has all things considered (E files), but I think they are trying to do something similar to the $ Milkshake theory. The whole goal of this inversion is to weaponize and restrengthen or recapitalize the $ by forcing a global depression and buying up assets globally in doing so. Again its more so of a hypothesis I see playing out and while this run up of PMs is real to preserve wealth/value, I can also see it losing steam if they are able to strengthen the $.

selfemployedsince16

So in Germany for example “1919 Germany, silver prices started low, around 12 Deutsche Marks (DM) in January, but quickly rose, reaching about 31 DM by September” By Nov 1923 it was 1 trillion Marks per OZ. You are right on many ways though id say critical mass of loss of faith in USD is here. I argue we have already lost WW3 it wasn’t a military one it was a cheap and quality goods and services export war. South east Asia and India smacked us worse than we did the world in WW2. I think all of your stocks are worthless (prices won’t go to infinity) because earnings compression due to the ww3 effects (prices trend to 0) and we as a country had everything riding on our ability to justify higher prices or more market capture. The government no longer controls metals unless they want to go to war militarily. They are not going to confiscate it this time either. We have too global of a world. What they are doing is running the printer dry in a hedge towards what’s coming. In other words the US is no longer the economic superpower we used to be and China has finally intervened on the market causing manipulation to end.

Ensemble_InABox

Saud has been a US ally since WW2

MrAkimoto

I remember hearing or reading WB sold all his shares, because of the China risk. Also Xi Jinping stated that it was inevitable or something to that effect. I believe that China is preparing to do just that based upon my understanding of the history of China and Taiwan. If it does happen, the US would be well advised to not interfere; unless, you'd enjoy a WW3

sailortyx56

Brits have one of the worst cuisines in the world. They still eat like it is WW2 going on.

Master_of_The_Za

GDP was not supposed to be used beyond WW2, and was used to measure manufacturing output. Its most likely used today for its convenience and as a pissing contest between nations. It really only benefits the wealthy. Fuck the GDP.

Lucky_Guy_House_Man

After WW3 if you still have some

Negative_Win_5117

Shutter Island managed to sneak in a good amount of WW2 guilt porn.

PaymentLegitimate761

Well there is no such thing. I will also say never buy something you believe in at IPO prices. When stock goes public. Wait several months, possibly a year and then buy it. My guess is anything now which produces military staff, drones in Europe etc should be investible or at least was. But I presume many of those things are priced in. There is gonna be war in Europe, most likely WW3 in next 10-15 years. I would be closely following if you already missed military train that you go investing into companies which will start rebuilding areas after war. Specially whole Ukraine. That's where money is. I just have no idea right now which companies gonna wallow into it. Someone gonna get very fucking rich rebuilding Ukraine and most likely part of Europe.

RougarouGumbo

Have fun praying for WW3 to start this weekend.

Bazzer82

Yeah, it's definitely a strange one. Following WW2 in Britain we somehow stumbled upon a bunch of people with influence who felt it would be a good idea to have a fair system to enable the masses to access free healthcare (well, not free, paid out of the public purse). Most other large European countries managed to do this too.

RedditHatesDiversity

We haven't been in an official war under the traditional rules of a declaration of war since WW2 I'm amazed people are apparently just learning that things like the AUMF give the executive branch the ability to fully bypass Congressional approval

Fancy_Cattle_5914

Ehhh WW3 could start tomorrow and it wouldn't phase my port. I'm full-port NBIS. shits gonna be red regardless.

Glad-Lynx-5007

At least they did something - Mussolini basically created fascism in the modern sense and Hitler had a gallantry medal from WW1. Old orange sack of shit - nothing but scams, racism and vile crimes

Fabulous-Ad6846

WW3

Fhyzikz

Used some of todays gains to buy a bunch of 0dte 670p just on the off chance WW3 starts or we do a ground invasion of Vuvuzela

idontmisstwice

Trump giving warrior stimmy just to declare WW3 right after Christmas

thebobitt

Bers are gonna need to see WW3 to save their port today

Vegetable_Distance99

I presume it's a reference to the GI bill and all the benefits they got publicly funded through it, should really be post WW2 in that cast but they went with nam for some reason presumably because they forgot about Korea and the prevailing sentiment about WW2 veterans was that they deserved/earned those benefits so it excludes them from being welfare queens or something like that if I had to guess.

Apprehensive_Seat_61

Keep dreaming. Nothing will happen as usual. WW3 is coming in 5 years

selfemployedsince16

People think war is done with bullets and bombs still? We have lost WW3 already. It was the trade war with China. What American company is offering globally 10-12.5k new cars? China is. What American company is offering solar at 5k per house? China is. What do we have to globally trade? Do you not get it. By war of attrition no global trade partner CAN work with us even if they WANTED to.

bearhunter429

#Fun fact: America hasn't officially declared war on any country since WW2 even though it attacked a bunch of them since then LMAO🤌

CarcossaYellowKing

Do yall think he’s telling himself that was the equivalent of the legendary fireside radio broadcasts presidents and prime ministers would do during the Great War and WW2? I swear this dude is probably looking in the mirror right now telling himself he put Churchill to shame.

DonDiabloTheGreat

U.S. lost every single war after WW2. Just saying…

oracle989

https://preview.redd.it/qyb06w68xu7g1.jpeg?width=4320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bad114a6faae767f057b1a1e103a82a0a3808ccb For perspective: A - The dot-com crash and 9/11 B - The worst economic crisis since the Great Depression C - The worst pandemic since 1918 D - The largest war in Europe since WW2 and global energy crisis causing inflation worse than we'd seen for half a century E - The overnight destruction of the post-WW2 economic order

oracle989

https://preview.redd.it/3vmtdruswu7g1.jpeg?width=4320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24375fe6f37d10a15f4fedf35888a3a454686fa5 For perspective: A - The dot-com crash and 9/11 B - The worst economic crisis since the Great Depression C - The worst pandemic since 1918 D - The largest war in Europe since WW2 and global energy crisis E - The overnight destruction of the post-WW2 economic order

Ok_Relative_5180

He was decent the first time he was in office. Sure, he almost single-handedly ushered in WW3 within weeks of taking office but he mostly just got on Twitter and talked shit which was annoying and unprofessional, but YOLO, right!? This time, he’s done a 360. He’s made a lot of lot BIG moves, not well thought out, not well executed, and not with good intentions. Last term and this term for him, is like night and day smh

Worried_Quarter469

Can go down until WW3 nuclear war max

Ecclesiastes510

WW3?

Twix_McFlurry

What about the one where we brought over a bunch of Nazis over after WW2, gave them they keys to the castle with our intelligence agencies and military contractors and then they slowly eroded our civil liberties from the inside and created a breakaway civilization with advanced technology and kompromat? No?

YouDoNotBanMe

Sometimes I wish America would just attack ships around Taiwan and start WW3.

Icy_Jelly_315

Bit of a waste when you still lost Shirley? The American "fighting man" is a pussy. Russia did the work in WW2 and the only war the US ever won was the Civil one

Ok_Foot2530

Why so pessimistic? If you believe S&P won’t be up much because it’s too expensive (like the Internet bubble / EM bull runs you talked about), then wait until it’s cheaper. If you believe US companies in S&P will not generate good ROE or grow as much as before, you are losing faith in US exceptionalism - then some country (countries) must be replacing US leadership role, then diversify and allocate. If neither if above - then you are predicting WW III for value destructive for the entire world? Then, my man - god bless us. But I will just live assuming the 3rd scenario won’t happen - if it does, money doesn’t matter as much any way….

goofy-boots

I mean WW2 literally had cracked out naht-z soldiers

NotMe357

WW7 start on Friday too.

Brave-Reflection40

Mr. Orange will announce WW3 tomorrow and the past week will be remembered as the good ol' days.

ProjectMagnet

someone please for the love of god make sure Varrell doesnt have access to youtube today - don't want to risk him seeing old black and white videos of WW1 and triggering another industry-wide panic selloff.

Classic_Web5494

WW is trading at $24.26 as of December 16, 2025. User's target price estimates range from $35.52 (conservative) to $47.17 (bullish). Post-bankruptcy, WW wiped out 70% of debt, reducing it from ~$1.6 billion to ~$466 million. Leverage improved to 3.2x (from 11x) based on $145 million adjusted EBITDA. Legacy behavioral segment is declining, but the clinical segment is growing aggressively. User suggests a 6x EBITDA multiple (from current 3.8x), implying a $52.18 share price. WW secured partnerships with Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk for GLP-1 medications, avoiding compounded sema risks. Galloway Capital viewed WW as a deep value pre-bankruptcy (2024), finding the filing unwarranted despite 11x leverage. The absence of a Registration Rights Agreement for lenders (who hold 91% control) is unusual, hinting at a potential long-term turnaround play.

jh2209

WW3 = Pump and ATH across the market

Academic_Lock_1699

If they invade Poland WW3 is on the menu

e_sir

WW3 soon

Internal_Field5970

Every time Epstein files drop we get closer to WW3

PsychologicalNote926

I actually do. My ex gf is the 0.0001% or whatever. She’s one of the heirs to PACCAR. Billionaires since WW2. I fully know how it works.

TrumpShartSlurper

Mango is gonna cause WW3 over fentanyl

Latter-Trip7630

Tmr: WW3 Tesla up 20% PLTR UP 15%

RIPbyTHC

I still find it mildly iconic and funny that you would be willing to name a ‚illness‘ after yourself - and then even add ‚derangement‘ to it aswell 😂 The poor Kids growing up now will one day have to learn about this shit in school 🫠 At least I hope that you manage to change the way you teach about WW2 (and history in general) until then - cause hell nah… y’all’s poorly educated rednecks and neckbeards believing that Hitler is still alive, knowing nothing about Democratic systems elsewhere in the world, nor knowing shit about geography and other basic knowledge facts is simply embarrassing for a country that keeps deeming itself as „the superior tradenation“. 💀

rcantu314

WW 3 confirmed WTF

SilverPrivateer

WW3 super soldier robots/neuralink enhanced human troops

SilentHuntah

No sense trying to rebut a pointless rebut. It's pretty obvious who's in the 100% VOO camp without bothering to look at their post history lol. So many cracks forming in the many international rules and norms we took for granted since WW2, but folks just see VOO's price history and just say no problemo, it'll just keep chugging along.

Artistic-Ebb9174


Low_Plastic363

Except men won't be needed to fight WW3. Wat do?

bearhunter429

#They will arrange WW3 soon but not because of any enmity between countries. It will be so that countries can curb millions of unemployed men when AI takes everyone's jobs. LMAO🤌

InitiativeGlum2507

Just a matter of time before WW3 starts.

fatheadlifter

Nobody knows what the future holds, lots of things can always go wrong. But consider this: This year is about +11% on the Dow, +13% on the S&P, +16% on the NASDAQ (could still be up a couple points by the end). We've had a good year, and this is despite the man-made problems with Tariff day, broad scale market manipulation at high levels, and other very dumb and stupid sentiments weighing down the market. Despite all these drags, things were good. Imagine how good they would've been if people just kept a level head. I believe 2026 is going to be a great year all things being equal. Tariffs are over, we don't have to worry about that again. There's the chance of some other manufactured crisis or existential threat of course, WW3 in the middle east/eastern europe for sure, but those problems don't describe anything fundamentally wrong with the market itself. The market is doing great, so by rights it should be up. If this year lands at +12% on average, I think next year is +18-20%. Invest now, buy more, it's going to explode in the best way possible.

Ok_Butterfly2410

Did Japan win WW2 and outlast the Soviet Union? No, the US did. The US owns the world. We nuked Japan less than 100 yrs ago.

Hunting-Duck

WW3 soon this is the trailer

Happy_Discussion_536

Lending is soaring. Hyperscalers and overall corporate debt issuance is smashing records. Spreads are extremely tight. And yea they're literally printing money again while we run WW2 level deficits. Are you retarded?

upwy

I will never watch a WW2 movie. you don't get to control me hollywood.

Michigan-Magic

Yep, this chart has the unemployment rate from post WW2 to today: [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE). The highest point is December 1982, when it peaked at 10.8%. It only popped up to 9.9% in December 2009. Not a good time.

nigel_pow

A lot of what you say I agree with but I think the 60% of GDP was because all the other major players like Europe and Japan and USSR were wrecked by WW2. They lost people (consumers and workers) and all that infrastructure destroyed. The US was intact and could export. Then they eventually recovered and rebuilt so they could cover their own consumption. We are like 5% of the population. We can't be 60% forever like that.

56000hp

tDump trying to start WW3 just to distract from Epstein files

Nozymetric

That's how we "paid down" the debt from WW2. It never really went away, it just became less valuable.

bsmknight

TRUMP a few days ago,"We are on the verge of WW3." TRUMP a few days later starting WW3.

Latter_Panic_1712

In the same period of that chart the US is the dominating economic superpower, but the next decades may be different because China is rising as the rival economic superpower unprecedented since the US took over the UK as the economic superpower back aroung WW1. You can try to tell someone in Japanese Asset Bubble pop in 1991 to hold their stocks, it will rise up again in the coming years. Nope, they only come back in 2024. The fact that the richest man in Japan got rich because of his investment in Alibaba, a Chinese company, and not from doing business inside Japan says a lot. The US might someday meet the same fate as Japan if they lose in the coming superpower gambit against China.

dangernext

So weird man these models not letting stocks go up nicely since that Mango tweet in October. WTF is going on man, NVDA beat earnings, fed cut rates, China reversed the rock restrictions. WTF bro is the market factoring in WW3

aioliravioli

can thy cut the shi and just pump SPY to 750 like it will then NVDA can go full enron and WW3 can start

infinitetekk

The US has sanctioned more Venezuelan oil tankers (Probably a precursor to escalation into a possible conflict), and I’ve seen several European countries claim that they’re rapidly accelerating their war preparedness, citing Russia as the threat. Lots of fear in the market with WW3 on the horizon. (I think it has already begun)

Hefty-Chipmunk-5445

Grandparents who lived thru the great depression and WW2: buy gold. Boomers gold isn't a good investment compared with other assets... All governments currently saying we need to prepare for war. Yeah I'll buy gold.

Boheed

Dawg half the world is quietly getting ready for WW3, no country will want vulnerable US AI/data centers handling anything important.

rollinhating

Lets be honest, i doubt theres anything to bring the market down with. Nuke venezuela? up AI bubble/its just a pipeline dream? up WW3? up No rate cuts 2026? up

AEStation404

Really depends on how you behave in practice. Real life isn't just academic theory. I suppose if you're a know-nothing investor, as in a complete know-nothing, you don't know what valuations are, you couldn't understand anything in an income statement or balance sheet if your life depended on it, you can't tell a bad company from a good company, then yeah, you should worry about large drawdowns. I am not. If my portfolio dropped 80% tomorrow with my level of international diversification, that would be highly unlikely outside of WW3 (with Latin America and Africa involved) or a huge asteroid impact. Or something completely unrealistic, like many smaller asteroids all hitting every company HQ or plant that I happen to be invested in and wiping out the top executives. Or a complete breakdown of the Internet, but bonds wouldn't save you then. If things get bad enough, governments will default on their debt or just inflate the debt away, they're gonna have much bigger fish to fry than their creditors. But let's assume none of that happens, let's say it just drops 50-80% despite my due diligence and diversification. That would mean that my portfolio drops into the low single-digit P/E range and my dividend yield could be anything from 6% to 20%. That's not sustainable. And if somehow the economy got so bad that the fundamentals of all companies on every exchange deteriorated this badly, and the drop in price is justified, then bonds wouldn't save you. There would be widespread defaults and hyperinflation in multiple currencies. Might as well just buy land and guns then.

NotMe357

If printing money doesn't pump the stock market then TACO will start WW3. I'm gonna build a Zombie Apocalypse bunker now. See you guys later 👋

Negative_Win_5117

Bro created a propaganda wing of the government to get us into WW1 and gave us the Fed. What’s not to love?

bearhunter429

#Soon AI will take people's jobs and there will be millions of unemployed young people across the world. The only way to curb them is to start WW3 and send them to war. They already decided to make this happen in a few years. LMAO🤌

FakeSafeWord

or Oh shit WW3 coming because Putin paid Thiel to take control of the ships on their behalf and then blame it on a glitch.

jack-schitt12

Dunno about immune system stuff but just playing with AI on the GBM news that came out yesterday I get the following: $35k+ per treatment per patient (my WAG assumption), 17k new patients annually in the US alone, 50K new patients in WW developed countries. So the potential addressable revenue for this indication alone is $0.5-1B a year. GBM is only one indication Should imply company company evaluation of about $1.5B ++. It is trading at app. $400M, a third of its value. What am I missing here??

beachandbyte

Not really, we paid it down from similar levels post WW2, granted we had many advantages then that we no longer have but over a 20 year period it would just take many small things that suck. One less fighter jet here, 2 months less of benefits here, 5% tax there etc.

el-art-seam

Ship OS UPDATE 20.5.23.56 Improved performance, fixed several bugs including: - port camera shutting off when docking your sub at port - correcting thermostat to accurately read temperature in the cabin - WW3

DonaughtInspired

It was the Canadians in WW1 that inspired what could be classified as a war crime so this doesn't surprise me. That does suck the suck tho

pembquist

You know the old saw about history rhyming? My brain is suffering from a screaming cognitive dissonance with the pattern recognition part arguing with the rational or analytical part, each trying to coopt the other. This is the crazy it boils down to: Everything is operating on a 100 year cycle give or take. We are in our millenium's 1920's. 2008 and the GFC was our version of 1907, in our case the Fed did what JP Morgan goaded the banks into doing in 1907. We have flying cars they had autogyros and dirigibles, we have streaming they had talkies, we have spacs and investing apps they had closed end investment trusts and bucket shops, they had legal insider trading and stock manipulation we have P (comment gets deleted if I use the name) Market, they had flappers and bootlegging we have porn up the wazoo and fentanyl. The crash is coming, the great depression is coming, WW3 is coming. My real problem aside from falling into a prophecy fugue state is that I am 90% equities and I am too old for that but I am afraid to go cash as I do not really trust the politics of the near future to protect the average retiree from currency debasement. What am I supposed to do? Buy gold? Swiss Francs? Cambodian real estate?

ETFBro4DaWinz

mango: can we just fast forward to WW3 when half of us will be friendly fired by a faulty palantir drone swarm pls?

Grom316

Here we thought AI would become self aware and start WW3, but it'll be some general "vibe warring" with his AI assistant/GF that dooms us all.

youbenchbro

I know history very well. The United States didn't lose WW1 and get fucked by the Treaty of Versailles.

bvogel7475

China is basically operating at the level the U.S. was during and a few decades after WW2. We had an economic mess before going to war and there was massive poverty and unemployment. Wages may have been somewhat low after the war but the cost of housing goods was in line with those wages. Now , China has 4+ times the U.S. population and possesses every natural resource except oil. That’s the only thing that could slow them down in a war. We won’t be able to keep up with China. They are the next number1 superpower. We won’t be going to war against them but they can hurt us economically.

swolebird

The famous Einstein quote is: "I know not with what weapons WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones."

Striking-Dot-8627

Please WW3 🙏

MyEgoDiesAtTheEnd

My point was that if there are no buyers, you can't sell, it has no value. I'm just responding to the OP's argument. I can't imagine a world where a stock wouldn't be liquid, but I guess if there was WW3 and the markets were permanently closed, that stock is worthless because it can't be sold.

korvinus-sognarus

WW III i think can help with this

Final-Rush759

You act like it never happened before. European countries always kill each other like during WW1 and WW2. Once, the US withdraws from NATO, anything could happen.

Suoritin

You've hit on the tragedy of it. Benjamin Studebaker calls this "The Paths of the Dead." The current system (State/Fiat) was built by dead men (who were afraid of possible WW3 and nuclear bombs), and "the way is shut" (it doesn't work for the living anymore). The sensible person runs away. But the "Long Bitcoin" crowd has "Main Character Energy." They think they are Aragorn. They think they can walk into the tomb, wield a magic sword (blockchain), and force the dead system to obey them. When these people try to be heroes in a dead system, they don't save anyone. They just turn into the "hucksters" you mentioned. They become part of the haunting.

Ryuu-Tenno

no, but it can bypass things when needed FDR had a similar issue back in the day, only difference was, he was also the one who put in the ass loads of regulations, so he had to fold if he wanted war time production His New Deal thing caused issues with the auto industry (among others) but upon seeing how Germany was going in Europe, when he needed production for joining the war (remember pre-Pearl Harbor here), he was talking with 3 of the largest companies across key industries, and one of the requirements for it was he had to kill the excessive regulations on the auto industry, or he wasn't getting tanks So, anyway, the US won WW2 with more fucking vehicles than there were people to use them if that clarifies anything, lol Just the biggest difference here is, there's 2 different presidents involved with a similar program: Biden and Trump. And Trump's not folding like FDR did, he's just trying to do it from a business perspective. Cause let's face it, there's tons of people who think another war would be great to clear up issues, but if we can avoid that, we're so much better off. As to whether or not we'll succeed in avoiding said war? Certainly up for debate and to see how the future unfolds in the process. Hopefully we don't have a war like that in our lifetime. Bad enough for it to happen when it did.

Iunatic

WW3 would make SPY go up 50% in 6 months lol

MarginCalledMom

Let’s just say hypothetically, we are in a bubble and the system breaks. Maybe Japan, or AI, or WW3 whatever. SPY goes down for a year, maybe 25-40% whatever is normal for bear cycle corrections. What happens to high growth stocks, even legit ones? Like SOFI, QBTS, NBIS, etc? Do they go down 80%-90%? Are they cooked? Is the stock market like crypto where when bitcoin drops 50-60% in a bear, the mid and low caps go down 80+%?