TSLA

lapetee

People are too hung up in TSLA making them money back in the day. Well guess what? SPCX will grab that money by the balls and throw it into Elons lap like the time santa did not bring you any presents but neighbors Billy got all the fun stuff

Scheswalla

You say that, but there's no other explanation for TSLA having the price that it does.

EnergyOwn6800

Reddit does not understand that you don't bet against Elon. First TSLA now SPCX. It only goes up. And it has not even been added on NASDAQ 100 yet.

LeadWithLogic

All true however the same could be said for TSLA yet it retains its unearned value. The cult of Musk is a powerful thing many of his followers just want to be a part of something. They couldn't care less of the price.

RandomC6

Mag7 aren't the real Mag7 anymore. Largest seven companies by market cap do not include META any more, and SPCX would have kicked out TSLA now, although I would have prefered AVGO over TSLA anyway.

Gimmetbow

!banbet TSLA 460 14d

lenzflare

TSLA experienced multiple huge drawdowns. Much more than 30%

RJ5R

*"Wall Street banks are going to pocket $500 million in fees from this IPO. That is, observers say, surprisingly low given the offering’s scale. But that shows how keen the bankers are to get their snouts in the trough of Musk’s future equity sales.* *With that amount of money at stake, it is no surprise that Wall Street and its useful idiots in the media are pushing this stock as hard as it can be pushed.* ***In case you missed it, jumbo Wall Street bank JPMorgan. JPM had a stock analyst covering Musk’s other publicly traded company, Tesla TSLA, who was resolutely bearish. By an absolutely amazing coincidence, JPMorgan a month ago suddenly reallocated that analyst. His replacement initiated coverage of Tesla with a target price more than three times as high. And Musk cut JPMorgan in on the IPO. JPMorgan declined to comment"*** [https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/jpmorgan-just-dramatically-reversed-course-194105134.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/jpmorgan-just-dramatically-reversed-course-194105134.html)

RealisticIncome273

Fair. Only caveat I'd give with spaceX (even though their valuation is absolutely fucked as well) is they have products outside of simply selling generative AI and their looking at acquiring TSLA, whereas I see OpenAI and Anthropic as the bellweather for AI in general as that is their core/only product. It's becoming pretty apparent that their pricing models are not working and they're scrambling, and the market has already factored in their intent to IPO so I don't think you're gonna see a huge pop anywhere when a date is announced. But I'm a regard and I lose a lot so i don't even know why I'm commenting on this

spilledonwhite

With TSLA p/e MU would be 7500 so sure why not. Also adobe spams me with AI features every time I open a pdf. I don't want it. I need to do one little thing and it takes me more time to close their pop-ups than the actual task. I'm on the verge of canceling my subscription but don't know any pdf alternatives. I was exoloring their cancellation options or lower subscrions and they offered me 3 months free. I feel like they have a monopoly on that file format though.

spilledonwhite

You know people that bought IPO aren't allowed to sell for like 30 days? And the dickload of stock held by employees cant be sold for like 180-360 days and they can only sell if it is up. But TSLA coasts at 350 PE so whatever 500-600 PE is, is probably where SPCX will land.

Weak-Pomegranate-435

Lol. TSLA is hoping not one notices its $0.48B. And pretend like there is nothing wrong here 😭🥀

surfnvb7

How much of the 80% control of SpaceX does he have to give up in order to payout Tesla? Back when he bought Twitter, he had to sell off quite a bit of TSLA, and that stock took a beating.

aftherith

So does TSLA become the forgotten stepchild or does it just follow SPCX

ConsensualUpskirts

I totally get this. Don't worry I've been around here on and off for a while. I bought TSLA when wsb first discovered it. Got in at $2 and my young paper hands got out at like $2.40 (splits applied). We just haven't been pumping and dumping multi-trillion companies

FinancialTower3672

Spcx definitely httin 1000 even without TSLA merger

SunriseSurprise

He wants that trillion dollar payout from TSLA too.

Singularity-42

I think TSLA had always P/E in the multiple hundreds range. It's a cult stock, maybe the time of reckoning will come, but we haven't really seen it yet in those 2 decades...

dragoon7201

"instead of dividends, we would like to reward our shareholders with a free trip to mars. So each share is basically worth infinite money because think of all the gold that is possibly on mars. We are looking to start this program as soon as possible, right after our subsidiary TSLA releases the roadster in the next year for sure."

NotMe357

Cathie Wood bought about 3.2M shares of SPCX today. Her best buy was TSLA so of course she will buy SPCX. Lets see what kind of price it will stay at in a few months.

PooPooPointBoiz

I don't understand how Elon has so much pull and influence. Especially after his swing to the far right. Tesla seems like it's dying. BYD is fucking over tesla on the world stage. They're pivoting to fucking autonomous humanoid robots? Come on dude. Killing off the S and X? What kind of BS is that? And yet TSLA is still at like a 2T market cap? And because SpaceX has some nasa contracts, it is also now worth 2T? What the fuck?

Temporary_Ad_5947

If the purchase price of TSLA isn't $420.69 then I want off this market

Initial_Ad_9250

TSLA theta Fridays are so cursed mayne.

FeverTreeCloud

Difference is that TSLA was dirt cheap because it was almost bankrupt at one point Regards paying high premium for SPAX

ChewbaccaIsBear

**the ONLY good thing** about AI, SPACEX, TSLA and all the other bullshit companies is that the CASINO has openly and totally entered the formal markets, therefore, **with all the porn moneis from bubbles and bullshit in the real market, the fake moneis BITCOIN that doesn´t even do a pretend product at a huge loss, will die...**

Mizake_Mizan

I received a notification through Etrade that since I had invested with Tesla for over 10 years I was eligible for allocation for SPCX. I applied for 200 shares and received 199. I think because I've held TSLA for so long without selling they realized I'm not a day trader or looking for a quick flip which is why I received almost my entire ask.

Ok_Wealth_3433

Everyone hating on spacex is gunna see the company do the same thing as TSLA (returns not to that magnitude obviously). The guy revolutionized the car industry whether you like it or not. I’m yoloing into long dated csps on Tuesday, probably around a $80 strike.

bobbymcpresscot

>And nobody of any importance or power (like banks) believes Musk's either, *your point*? except the banks do. >They **don't** accept them at market share face value. They accept them vastly below that, at what they estimate they could actually get out of them in a real life liquidation, like 1/3 or 1/4 as much as their face market cap value. There's a reason the % of market cap a bank offers loans for wildly changes based on the stock and how volatile or riskyis it--because they are not using market cap whatsoever. Because it's dumb as rocks as a concept, and banks aren't dumb as rocks. cool story bro, facts are facts, and in the example of TSLA there are almost 3 billion shares in the float, only about a billion are in control of Tesla's execs, which means there is quite literally that much real money out there invested in TSLA. Him having control over those shares doesn't make him any less of a trillionaire.

Beneficial-Age-9293

With SPCX out next to TSLA, the retard strength of his cult has been split in half.

hgrunt

They might not have actually calculated what space is worth. Rationally speaking, doing anything up there is expensive, and there's currently little to no economic value in exploiting it As much as I hate to say, Musk has massive appeal to retail investors who are True Believers who want to be rewarded for their fealty. The ones who poured their life savings into TSLA before it went hockey-stick and split and want to get in on that again I can list a dozen, very rational reasons why SPCX makes no sense, but it will fall on deaf ears. Retail investors do not need to be rational when there are enough of them to buy and hold

cohortq

I bought 1 share. This could have meme potential like TSLA.

barneyaa

Ma, I'm ready too, but the thing is I am ready for TSLA to fuck off for 7 years now... It is disconnected.

Own_Huckleberry262

TSLA and crypto both boomed during Covid stimulus. People had money to burn and still do. AI is the new TSLA and crypto. After that it will be something else. 

JellyfishFestival

That may very well happen. We saw a version of that during the 2 semi crash days last week. There are a lot of algos tied to TSLA in particular as a sentiment indicator that might set off a firestorm. They are 2 large index components (or will be) and that alone would be a drag, which then gets the bears going, the puts bought At these valuations and these all time highs it could be the thing that leads to the thing that leads to the thing to start a notable pullback in everything.

fenriswulfwsb

They are literally talking about merging them specifically to avoid the inevitable collapse of TSLA stock price.

knick_and_dime

It's not even close to comparable. Tesla IPOd at a valuation of $1.7B, SpaceX IPO is currently valued at $2T. 1,176x more expensive. Not much juice left to squeeze like TSLA had.

AidenTai

Well, I'd say Bitcoin is the face/front of cryptocurrency, and having digital assets that can evade government restrictions does have its advantages (as Iran, Russia, China, Argentina etc. all know). Retail and really most people just trade it because the hype caused its price to skyrocket given that it has limited quantity (cycles every four years, so I guess the end of this year or early 2027 will see another pump). Thing with TSLA is that in a theoretical case where revenue were to fall drastically (lets say it's outcompeted in most markets and userbase shrinks), if somehow the money keeping it together were at risk (lack of new investors, debt obligations, etc.) the entire thing could theoretically unravel. Unlikely now, but it's possible for TSLA to end up in bankrupcy within a decade. In that scenario, anyone holding TSLA stock or debt would be screwed due to the instrinsic nature of TSLA's operations as a company. Tulips in theory were massively overvalued, but provided some sort of aesthetic value as long as people were willing to pay for that. Owning tulips could in theory have your investment go to zero if they all burned or something, but tulips worldwide would retain \*some\* value (proportional to demand). Bitcoin by nature has a fixed amount and no 'costs' really, so owning Bitcoin wouldn't see your investment drop to zero (well, theoretically in case all countries outlawed it or some technical problem couldn't be fixed or whatever). It's more resiliant in that sense than TSLA. But yeah, besides the ease of transactions, Bitcoin lacks intrinsic value wherease TSLA has some fundamental intrinsic value. But as long as cryptocurrencies are useful, even if prices vary at least some crypto will always retain value (Bitcoin is best positioned as the original and the one that is most trusted, whereas meme coins with no trust can go to 0 if the network or coin is abandoned). Right now though, TSLA and SPCX are driven by hype, liquidity and underneath at some level, fundamental value. Bitcoin is down because risk assets are down and it lacks hype (given it's in the traditionally lowest part of its cycle this summer). Tulips are stable cuz they have no hype but trade on intrinsic value at the moment. I just wonder if TSLA and SPCX can keep this hype for a long time, or if the sheer size of their valuations might cause trouble this year if we see a broader market correction and liquidity tightens. I expect Bitcoin will remain low until risk assets become attractive, which would be either after a broad correction (or recession if one happens) or else the situation with Iran resolves itself and summer ends its traditional 'low' period when everyone pulls their money from it (as happens every four years due to its cyclic nature of mining, etc.).

Valkorion335786

Imagine TSLA and SPCX have earnings at the same time Elon's ketamine fueled voice has to end one Teams call and join the other to spew the same garbage lmao

RegardEngineer

You may not like him personally, that’s fine. This does not change the real life facts: He is CEO of multiple companies, he listed TSLA on the market and it is doing good (idk how), he listed SPCX and it was a successful 1st day. Hate him or nay but again, Musk is not a basement dweller doing 0DTE SPY or being a baboon and getting into SPCE stock or OPEN.

RegardEngineer

He does not but he thinks he is smarter than someone who is CEO of TSLA, SPCX, X, Boring Company.

Sea_Condition_6999

Fitting. I think the market cap of TSLA is more than all other car companies combined.

weHaveThoughts

I paid $36 pre split for TSLA got out at $385. With this I got 5 at 135 and I’ll be out on Tuesday. F Elon.

RegardEngineer

Can we please stop? Dude, Musk right now is on his yacht banging top tier pussies, snorting some cocaine between big boobs. Do you think that he cares what you or plebeian thinks about him? Meanwhile, you think about him non stop and beating your meat in a frustrated way at TSLA and SPCX being green.

justinwfreed

Pretty indefensible but what you are missing is the "Musk Goons"...just look at TSLA. I got into TSLA years ago, my 1st purchase was $32/share but, back then, Musk was kind of unknown, TSLA was this highly speculative EV maker and they wanted to succeed at something even the bigger guys failed at so, "good on him!" But, look at TSLA today and do your financial analysis, look at their sales trends etc. and there is ABSOLUTELY no reason it should be where it is at but...the Musk Goons believe that TSLA really isn't a car manufacturer but rather, a "robotics" company and Musk is telling his SPCX sheeple that SPCX really isn't a space company but an "AI" company (and, what is very interesting is that xAI is the loser of the trio: launch, starlink and AI). The sad part is that this can go on for a very long time cuz -cliche- "markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent." The good news is: SPCX is not all there is to the space economy. In fact, this sector is very frontier, very new. Other players are here like RKLB, LUNR, PL, SPIR...on and on so, don't dispair, continue your DD, look for other opportunities and if/when the situation presents itself, buy in (BTW, I think that SPCX has some really super intelligent people there, they have done and hopefully will continue doing great things and, I personally would get in if it presented the opportunity).

moorhound

>Accounting for splits, TSLA went from around $2/share in 2012 to $400/share today. So, obviously, in 12 years SPCX will be worth $35000 a share and have a market cap of $800 trillion. This is how Elon dickrider brains work

Meakmoney1

Holding TSLA for the ride. Robo ride.

Thedaulilamahimself

Tho what he said don’t bet against Elon. TSLA = Elon

Top-Meaning2626

Next earnings, TSLA will issue a buy $100b buy back, but will buy SPCX instead of TSLA

Jumpy_Shoulder9043

Great, now we have to go through the TSLA fomo retard cycle where boomers buy a fantasy, and nothing actually come to realty. Just got to wait for another salute now to get the blue hairs stirred up.

bickusdickus69allday

if TSLA is anything to go by./

Samjabr

TSLA trying to take off like it's on a SpaceX rocket

AidenTai

Honently, I don't think we'll last that long. People are in SPCX for hype and growth. But it's so massive that keeping a growth trajectory in stock price will require a looot of money flowing in. That's fine when liquidity is easy. But if Iran causes interest rate hikes? What if the AI IPOs drain money from SPCX? Liquidity can decrease, and for a stock that really depends on liquidity, that can be catastrophic. The hype and boom are reminiscent of the final year and a half of a Bitcoin cycle (excellent gains if you exit before a drop, but the best gains are gotten buying when it's low). Another parallel is the clear dependency on liquidity to maintain price levels. Now it's one thing if you're listed on the S&P 500 or if you form a part of major other indices and maintain your attractiveness somehow. We've seen TSLA can maintain itself. But the same sort of money that goes into hype went into Bitcoin, and gold, and AI stocks and broader tech/chips and now this. The situation in Iran and global risk avoidance has driven down Bitcoin and gold, but AI and tech are hyped right now because they're where the money is and because liquidity in that area is easy. But unlike others, every massive IPO and additional company that gets hyped stretches this 'hype money' between more and more companies. And I'm not sure we'll be able to maintain these crazy flows throughout all of 2026. Between the possibility for higher interest rates and the chance that a correction hits and causes liquidity problems in industries due to their interconnectedness... Well, I think we're due for a large correction by the end of the year that will show how companies and products with poor fundamentals can drop hard if the macroeconomic situation deteriorates. Sure, growth might slow and we may not get a correction. But it's looking increasingly likely the more all these different things pop off.

Scriptum_

TSLA entered the chat Soon it will be 2 companies!

Singularity-42

I shorted TSLA once and made money - in the start of Covid. But it was stressful. Most lost their short shorts. You're against a cult here, normal rules don't apply.

Singularity-42

Spitting distance from TSLA. And Elon is pulling that grift for decades now...

aobmassivelc

I said he was a genius at pump and dumps. I'm sorry your mind cannot fathom the idea that he is not required to physically dump his own holdings to benefit from manipulating market conditions to where others are doing so. I never mentioned TSLA individually, either. I am not interested in converting obvious sycophants with no critical thinking ability.

L0pat0

Big move in TSLA in this next hour

Twispie

Sounds like someone who's not sitting in a $3.7M paid off house with 5 paid off cars and a nice stock portfolio due almost entirely to $TSLA.

Cheese_Fisticuffs1

> When two willing market participants agree to a price for an asset, that’s the fair value. It’s that simple. No, it really isn't. The reality of markets and commerce is far more complex than that. Oversimplifying it because you cannot understand nuance does not make it "fair value". By that logic, stocks are almost never, if ever, overvalued, but we both know the term is not so meaningless, just like every bagholder has learned the hard way. I never thought I'd meet a redditor who's never heard of greater fool theory, considering how often it gets talked about here. >The only thing I’ll caveat that with is that I truly doubt if every share were for sale the price would be the same. Extrapolating the price of a single share out to every other share isn’t a real market value, that’s why we call it market cap though. So, even you realize your first sentence was bullshit. >You can scream at air all you want tho, I bet you thought the market was overvalued every year for the last 20 (assuming you’ve been alive that long). If you acted upon that you’d be poorer than you would be otherwise. You can whine about being butthurt all you want, because like everything that has come before, you're wrong once again. I have seven figures sitting in markets for more than two decades, probably since before you could read, which, frankly, I'm surprised you can even do. You're just in denial of all the bags you've been hodling since GME came crashing back down to reality while you hold TSLA stock that goes nowhere. You must be one of those rare losers that thought a four figure runup in a single week gave the company a fair market value. >If you continued buying cheap companies, they pretty much always continue getting cheaper. This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever read. >I have zero interest in owning Tesla, but it’s very much worth what willing market participants are willing to pay. Whether they will see returns on that capital isn’t really relevant. Yes, you have no interest in owning an asset that, in your own words, "very much worth what people are paying at this point", because you are a profoundly stupid person.

WarpFactor777

Same can be said for TSLA. Stupid valuation, yet there you have it.

Accomplished_Way8964

I don't own a Rivian. The hype was intense and public sentiment for EVs was positive. RIVN was seen as a better run, better product company than TSLA, but needed a little more time. I got sucked in, but waited about a week after IPO, thinking the dip was over. It was not.

drizzyjake7447

I still think LCID is the next TSLA

arbitraryBlue

Buying TSLA calls for when it eventually gets bought out by SPXC

LavishnessTimely7372

QQQ and TSLA calls for next week

Vanleonidas

I'm a fanboy, so yes. But most of my tendies are going to this really promising startup: Marsupial Dynamics ($MARS). Perfect play while oil is expensive & there's already talk $MARS will have an all stock merger with $SPCX & $TSLA. https://preview.redd.it/w9au4mkk8w6h1.jpeg?width=681&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6f141209dabab4b768d22998f313c932c59bbab

Main-Cheesecake3287

I mean kind of, but no meme stock or crypto has really performed like TSLA in the long haul.

peatoast

If this is like anything like TSLA. Hold till you feel the pump then dump all. Buy again when it goes back to first week prices. Lather, rinse, repeat. 🔁

RJ5R

*"Wall Street banks are going to pocket $500 million in fees from this IPO. That is, observers say, surprisingly low given the offering’s scale. But that shows how keen the bankers are to get their snouts in the trough of Musk’s future equity sales.* *With that amount of money at stake, it is no surprise that Wall Street and its useful idiots in the media are pushing this stock as hard as it can be pushed.* ***In case you missed it, jumbo Wall Street bank JPMorgan. JPM had a stock analyst covering Musk’s other publicly traded company, Tesla TSLA, who was resolutely bearish. By an absolutely amazing coincidence, JPMorgan a month ago suddenly reallocated that analyst. His replacement initiated coverage of Tesla with a target price more than three times as high. And Musk cut JPMorgan in on the IPO. JPMorgan declined to comment"*** [https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/jpmorgan-just-dramatically-reversed-course-194105134.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/jpmorgan-just-dramatically-reversed-course-194105134.html)

RJMAHIMKAR

TSLA has been trading at unreal numbers for years. the Musk premium it is.

ExceptionallyGreat

TSLA over $401. SPCX only $171. We all know what that means! Yes, that's correct! SPCX is massively undervalued. It needs to go over $401.

95Daphne

Honestly? I'd argue 7 years (don't mind me, I couldn't get through HS algebra without my hands being held, I just counted from 2020), and it got briefly interrupted by 2022. The options market games (aka: buy piles of call options to jam the stock higher) really began in late 2019 on TSLA and that also got briefly stopped.

Cool_Cartographer_39

The best SPCX trade was holding and buying the dip on TSLA

Ok_Accident1420

Bad news coming for TSLA

Successful-Tea-5733

Well I tell you what I wish I bought TSLA when it was closer to a penny then...

TonyStarks81

Well, Microsoft has a realized profit of 101 billion. Hat you are not accounting for is SPCX and TSLA could have profit of 10 gazillion if they invent a million things that don’t exist in any form currently.

Pazzaaaaaa

SPCX and TSLA marketcap=3.5T Net profits in 2025: -1.5 Billion MSFT marketcap=2.9T Net profits in 2025:101 Billion Net profit such an overrated metric

Valkorion335786

I played TSLA instead and it somehow worked 😂😂

Prestigious_Tea1814

TSLA gave insane gains if you caught the bounce

sd_1874

Not sure bearish is right... TSLA is proof that the market places value in Musk's constant churn of promises which never quite materialise... Investing in bullshit that will never happen is fine for some people I guess, but it does seem like a bit of a risk when the chance of investors getting wind of the fact there will never be a Roadster 2 with impossible specs, and Musk will never land on Mars is never 0.

pennquaker18

TSLA has outperformed SPY over the last 5 years. Comparing it at all to Pets.com is absurd.

knoqd_

They’re pumping both SPCX and TSLA at the same time did Elmo blow 🥭?

Acrobatic_Spare2320

We all know that TSLA, SpaceX and everything else Elon ever touched is an overinflated scam, but nobody knows exactly when it all comes crashing down.

CanIMarginThat

TSLA moving now.. this is the Elon Economy

Valkorion335786

NGL that TSLA V shape is beautiful

jnas_19

TSLA managed to flip green

thenoblewest

TSLA saved my ass so hard

jsands7

We’re talking about the stock price not the company earnings/actual value so I don’t think TSLA is a good example, given that the stock is up 29,910% all time

SpruceJuice5

TSLA has a braindead valuation as well. It's a Musk fandom thing

Soldacki

Surprised TSLA isn’t dropping more

Formal57

Do you believe SPCX isn’t overvalued right now? TSLA? You consider redditors to be hysterical when Musk stock valuations are held up by hysterical hype.

FatFluffyFish

Yea I looked at TSLA and was like no fking shot this thing dumps.

ArticleTerrible7621

SPCX crash yet? If TSLA can trade at such a high valuation, so can this

Vaynard709

are you familiar with TSLA the car company that barely sells cars

Echo-Possible

Also the share price can definitely way past the IPO price very a large margin. There’s nothing protecting the downside at all. See what happened to Tesla investors piling into Tesla in 2021. They’ve underperformed the market for 5 years now (and will continue to do so). And at one point TSLA tanked 75% in 2022-2023. Much better entries were had. Valuation matters.

early-retirement-plz

Bers spent years crying about TSLA and now spacex is here and they still won’t buy in and will spend the rest of their lives crying about space x

tmk_lmsd

It reminds me of people trying to short TSLA

AccomplishedView4709

With only 5% float, someone will buy everytime it drops to keep the price up at least until Earning report come up. I would not short SPCX at least until more shares being released after earning report. Even then, TSLA taught us bet against Elon Musk is a risky business.

NineTenthsofaSecond

He could ask for margin and then yolo TSLA calls before announcing that Tesla robots were going to drive Tesla cars on Mars by the end of the year. Not like there's a regulator to stop him.

Cool_Cartographer_39

Of course he is. That's why the smartest move of all was buying the dips on TSLA the last six years

Imaginary-Writer-125

Do people still give a shit about TSLA