TSLA

McClintockC

Remember when Elon got flak for smoking weed on a talk show and TSLA dumped like 30%? Now he's snorting lines of K off the first lady's tits while throwing nazi salutes lmao Calls on everything. World is fuk

TheBobbestB0B

So what you are saying is he’s following the TSLA model at SPCX, shift things around until it seems legit (when enough bag holders board the train)

Electrical_Maize3587

Lol @ whoever is going to buy puts on SPCX. They know people wanna short it. It’s the next TSLA. It’s going to pump irrationally but slowly

balancedchaos

We have no idea if this is the case. I look at TSLA's financials and the valuation makes no sense.  It's cost me a lot of money trying to apply logic to an illogical situation. 

Friendly-Profit-8590

So what’s a good robotics stock not named TSLA?

BillyBobChorton

How long have you said that about TSLA? Probably 6 years +

TheBobbestB0B

He was recently forced to show up to TSLA (I assume he spent the time jerking off high in his office). He doesn’t dooooo anything. He just tells his botnet to summon the virgins and old white guys to pump his wallet so he can buy more drugs of course

infowhiskey

What does Musk actually do at TSLA or SPCX? Serious question.

Cockballzz

Little reminder that it took 10 years and 10 public offerings for TSLA to become profitable. SPCX will probably follow this path

HawkEy3

You're saying TSLA trillion dollar valuation is because of retail investors? 

HotIndependence9581

who cares if you can generate money in next few years. It's already at fair value but I am thinking to buy just because it can very well become a cult stock like TSLA.

TheRabidDeer

Never did I say that people can't make money buying his stocks. I am saying that his stocks are massively inflated due to people like you that do nothing but glaze him like he is personally doing the things he claims because of the things he promises. Look at TSLA, market cap of 1.5T off of only 97B in revenue and 3.8B in net income. Compared to Toyotas market cap of 270B off of 334B in revenue and 25B in net income. Tesla has had 20 years to prove itself at this point and it's done decently, but not as well as many would have expected based on what was promised. It's only worth what it is because the market is divorced from reality.

ObviousTrust9421

TSLA will start to drop to more normal levels now thst the Musk hype has moved to Space X. Same thing happened to PayPal.

jayydubbya

Yeah but people have been waiting for TSLA to pop for a long time too. It hasn’t.

truecakesnake

"Trust me bro TSLA will crash"

Nuclear_N

I wish I still had my TSLA from 2019....I have my AAPL still.

LatiBerg

You’ve just described the entire stock market, not just TSLA

SalmonellaSteve

You’re underestimating the power of cope that Elon holds. I hate the guy, but TSLA somehow just stays on top. There’s no reason for it, but I don’t foresee this going underwater any time soon.

LumpyShock9656

I believe TSLA is an overvalued POS. Would I short it? No

lowrisk_highreward

TSLA is not just an overvalued car company. It’s one of the market’s biggest retail casinos. It may look like pure irrationality, but it is not. TSLA’s price often seems to move toward the zone where the biggest overall losses are waiting. Call it max pain. Call it options hedging. Call it market maker games. Whatever the name, the result is the same: traders get pulled in, shaken out, and forced to close at a loss. That’s why TSLA can keep an insane P/E for so long. As long as people keep gambling on it every day, fundamentals can stay in the back seat. TSLA probably only comes back to earth when traders get bored and stock/options volume finally dries up. That’s why the wild narratives need to continue, and why a merger with SPCX could be so valuable. It would give TSLA a never-ending pipeline of story fuel, so the casino never gets boring. Just remember: in a packed casino, the house has the edge, valuation irrationality can remain longer than you can remain solvent, and the casino only breaks when the crowd finally leaves. So never bet against a packed casino. Not financial advice!

notarealredditor69

I don’t disagree with you. I personally am not buying SPCX and I don’t own TSLA. I’m just saying I understand why people do. The guy obviously does not hit on even a fraction on what he says he will, but the realm he is playing in now, a breakthrough is game hanging for the entire human race at a level that has never even been attempted before. Elon is a dreamer, and his dreams are huge. People want to be part of that, and this isn’t going to change any time soon.

YourChildhood5762

TSLA 1yr 24.51% 5yr 99.92% VOO 1yr 23.35% 5yr 74.82% bite me

lowrisk_highreward

The other explanation is that TSLA is not just an overvalued car company. It’s one of the market’s biggest retail casinos. It looks like pure irrationality, but TSLA’s price often seems to walk toward the zone where the biggest overall losses are waiting. Call it max pain. Call it options hedging. Call it market maker games. Whatever the name, the result is the same: traders get pulled in, shaken out, and forced to close at a loss. That’s why TSLA can keep an insane P/E for so long. As long as people keep gambling on it every day, fundamentals can stay in the back seat. TSLA probably only comes back to earth when traders get bored and stock/options volume finally dries up. That’s why the wild narratives need to continue, and why a merger with SPCX could be so valuable. It would give TSLA a never-ending pipeline of story fuel, so the casino never gets boring. Just remember: in a packed casino, the house has the edge, irrationality can remain longer than you can remain solvent, and the casino only breaks when the crowd finally leaves. So never bet against a packed casino. Not financial advice!

GelatinGhost

The problem is that in the short term they do act that way. In the long run a profitable company is virtually guaranteed to have a positive return though. I just wish the opposite always held true for garbage like TSLA and SpaceX.

Lucid_Chemist

Uh musk fan club wants more shares, they don’t understand market cap or P&E look at TSLA….

ThatMightBeTheCase

Anyone who tries to use any sort of rational analysis on this stock is a fucking idiot. This will absolutely be TSLA 2.0 and it will make everyone who gets in now a lot richer within 5 years. Fucking your traditional investing, get tendies bitch.

Apart-Selection5680

Thought experiment: If Musk were to die tomorrow what would happen to the price of SPCX and TSLA?

Principletrade

You could have said the same thing about Tesla stock for the last 10-15 years. I mean, I’m not buying SPCX or TSLA, but as long as Elon keeps pushing the boundaries of technology, I wouldn’t bet against him.

Diokneesus

Why shouldn't I buy TSLA for the eventual merger

porncrank

The math hasn't mathed on TSLA for a long time. But in fairness, the math didn't math on AMZN for a long time either. They were losing money every year until their IPO, and then their losses *exploded* in the five years *after* their IPO. Their P/E was effectively infinite. Once they had a non-infinite P/E it kept going up into multiple hundreds. And they even dipped back into full unprofitability some years. Nonetheless... AMZN has done very well as both a stock and a company. The point is: people who are investing believe -- rightly or wrongly -- that SpaceX will be bigger in 10 years than they are today. They don't care what the math says now. They are banking on something softer that doesn't reflect in the math: they believe SpaceX is in a uniquely powerful market position on a huge market with a huge moat. I didn't invest in SpaceX myself, but I strongly considered it. I would not rule out investing in the future.

thebiglebowskiisfine

I bought SpaceX in a private placement at $9 per share and a lot of TSLA in 2013. I'm waiting for FSD to launch and might wait for the eventual merger. I have ridden TSLA to 480 and down to 130 and back up. My ASP is $12. My SpaceX shares are now locked for 180 days. It doesn't really bother me because I have no debt and other investments. I can stomach the extreme volatility, and there has been a LOT over the years.

RexTheSkibiriToilet

So the P/S is \~100… for comparison, nvidia was 30-40 during the peak, TSLA 15x, and most mature industries 4-8. Given the context of SpaceX being so dependent on gov demand, this just doesn’t make sense. Elon companies nail the idea of profiting from market (nonsense) expectations.

diamond_handz25

Cheer up, you got some TSLA 560 calls my friend

MacFrausty

Bought TSLA 420c 0dte at $0.42 on Friday. That was a fun ride. https://preview.redd.it/tduki59pk47h1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=e4b7c4cf5b07ebcec55ccc0d939f94200a9422b4

bulrfuc

Not sure why half the tards hate SPCX coz they hate Elmo and other half glaze him as some genius. This is a casino. SPCX and TSLA can burn money incessantly and don't do fuck all, does it really matter if YOUR port makes money? Buy low, sell high and then dump the stock like a piece of garbage in the dumpster. Why y'all weirdos so attached to a fucking company? Use it and throw it in the trash once you're done.

aomt

I did flip SPCX on Friday. Not holding any. I might buy some if it dumps, but not my profile. However, the big value here is Musk himself. Like him or not, thats the fact. If he would to exit TSLA or SPCX now - they would drop by a lot, right? Secondly, SPCX is a lot about rockets, NASA, Starlink. It’s a speculation that Musk might try to capture some of the moon and/or build servers in space. Expending Starlink offerings all over the world and taking over cable internet.

WarpFactor777

I have been saying the same thing about TSLA for the last 10 years.......... Yet here we are.

Charming-Charge-596

"However some believe that the stock is overvalued even at its current price of $382." There's always going to be "some" people trash talking every stock/company in existence. I learned not to listen to them after missing out on TSLA and bigger gains on NVDA. Stick with your thesis. A whole lot of people bought at this year's top. Last year the top was significantly lower and the year before that lower...and so on. You liked it at $480 but don't like it at $380? I understand having doubts and being cautious but give it some time.

Zero36

Didn’t she massively fuck up the NVDA and TSLA trade by selling at the bottom?

newplayer28

Honestly though, if you follow some of those subs, you do get gems. There were people talking about NBIS, RKLB, TSLA, Semiconductor etc before their explosive moves

ShotBandicoot7

Does it make money for TSLA?

kader91

I’ve learned to never try to bet against Elon. You would think missing earnings and having shit guidance would dump his stock. But he has too many friends with money. TSLA would dump on a random Tuesday with no news like Elon has said the n word.

Uisce-beatha

Right but the fact remains that the only profit TSLA ever saw was solely because taxpayer money being funneled into government subsidies. SpaceX was only able to get off the ground because of government subsidies and only remained in business because of govern.e t subsidies. Twitter is worth about 5% of what he paid for it so that company will never be profitable. The stocks did make some people rich but the companies are taxpayer subsidized garbage.

nope-nik-tesla

Isn't that explanation still predicated upon Musk's cult of personality? The only way SpaceX would have the money to buy TSLA at an inflated price would be the exact same reason.

sweetnamebro

TSLA has also created a huge amount of millionaires

TheConstellationGuy

All I can say is, SPCX doesn’t involve any rational analytical investing. This ticker, like TSLA, is just speculative gambling. You might as well also buy Bitcoin.

MathW

It doesn't even matter anymore. Anybody reasonable who cares even a bit about valuation knows it's ridiculous, but that wont stop hordes of Elon's fans from buying and continuing to buy stock of TSLA and SPCX at any price so sales, earnings, debt, etc dont matter. I 100% believe they could have targeted a $3B valuation with this IPO and still filled it. There will be a day in the future it will all come crashing down, but there's just no way of knowing exactly when it will be and it could be years away.

AccomplishedView4709

Twice divorced. He had many of his TSLA shares under 1st wife's name for some tax purposes, I think he learned after 1st divorce.

Autobahn97

He already looses and makes billions with the swings in TSLA, add Space X and its going to just increase that, its not going to affect his lifestyle in any meaningful way.

AgitatorSupreme

How did you determine when to buy I do these plays sometimes when volatility is lower but I have a low loss tolerance and I’ll sell after making $20-$30 if volatility starts to reverse my gains. I also cut my losses early as well… if I let it go beyond $20-$30 then I have a hard time cutting my losses and I end up cutting when I’m down $100-$200. Do you buy large quantities? What is your “strategy”? Sounds like you had a lucky day but I also had a nice 0DTE SPY option run at the end of the day. I need some ideas. I will say TSLA options have been working really well for me. I had aa bad run cost me $200 but in general they are great for scalping a quick $25-$50 per option, sometimes double that. I don’t feel the need to push it - if I can do this a few times a day it provides a nice bump. Maybe my risk tolerance is too low. But i have been treading water with my account for over a year, slowly losing money.

Sensitive-Radish-292

He actually can't just dump shares, remember that weird package the shareholders agreed to in TSLA? I wonder what happens if TSLA gets merged into SPCX and how will that affect the promised package...

stonketship

Flashbacks of me trying to short TSLA when nobody has teslas, but it was still valued more than every other US automaker combined

iwaseatenbyagrue

I am actually not sure what you are talking about. TSLA, yea, its had some hype behind it, but if you look at the MAG 7 and companies below them, the P/E and other metrics are not that bad. Average S&P 500 P/E ratio is like 22, which is somewhat higher than historical (16-19), but I believe this is fair because we are having a tech explosion right now.

torokunai

SPCX has created $2.1T of wealth like TSLA has created $1.5T

Top-Classroom3984

Markets nowadays are all hype. Look at TSLA.

Badmoodsbear

Im not sure why you think that given the same exact arguments could be said of TSLA for at least the last 5 years.

iwasshotbyatigeronce

Can't wait to start selling SPCX options to you degenerates. Selling covered TSLA options made me a millionaire in itself, so there's a REALLY good chance SPCX will make me homeless.

AgitatorSupreme

His companies should be worth more as separate entities if they are any good. I wouldn’t buy TSLA if it was merged with a cash burning company like xAi that offers no real ROI. Personally, i dont buy long positions for any of elon’s shit because he is a nazi cunt.

AgitatorSupreme

His companies should be worth more as separate entities if they are any good. I wouldn’t buy TSLA if it was merged with a cash burning company like xAi that offers no real ROI. Personally, i dont buy long positions for any of elon’s shit because he is a nazi cunt.

AgitatorSupreme

His companies should hold more value as separate entities if they are any good. Like, I would not want to hold TSLA if it was directly tied to xAi considering that Ai in general is a cash burner with very little ROI.

0Rider

Fidelity has been pretty pro Elon for awhile. They voted for his TSLA pay package 

Late_Company6926

So TSLA will be stable while SPCX gyrates up and down? What’s the prognosis for TSLA?

neck_iso

I had an argument with someone online yesterday because I said due to the small float SpaceX would trade like a meme stock until sufficient shares reached the public markets to allow for significant price discovery. First he argued on size and I pointed out that TSLA trades at almost 400x trailing earnings which is ... nuts. Then he said meme stocks are driven by retail traders and the SpaceX allocation to retail is higher than usual. I further spoke about fundamentals and how SpaceX prospectus was full of ridiculous numbers (like the addressable market being on the scale of the US economy). So it's vibes. And a rush to the exit for insiders. But it will take weeks to months to stabilize and the small float is likely to create a lot of volatility in the meantime.

aomt

Not holding any SPCX.  Amazon didn’t make sense to investors for a long time. TSLA “supposed to trade below 10$” - gang.  As you said, it’s about future markets/sales. IF there is a market and SPCX will be already established - it will capture most of the market right away.  See how other space and AI related companies are doing. SPCX is both.  People bet that musk will innovate and create market. Like he did with PayPal, Tesla, starlink. 

Parking_Act3189

Tesla has self driving cars. They are not perfect but supervising the AI driving is WAY better than manually driving. When Ford comes out with a better AI, then sure yes, its crazy to think TSLA is worth 10x more than ford, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that

Skizm

TSLA has a p/e of 360 and it’s been like that for years. In 2020 it was over 1000. Revenue and profitability don’t matter for musk companies. People assume (correctly) the stock price will stay artificially high for long periods of time due to Musk fans buying the stock at any price. “Fundamental” analysis for Musk companies is: how many times has Musk appeared in the news lately?

muff_muncher69

People have been shorting TSLA since the dawn of time. Elon is the richest man in the world still. Don’t try and fight it, either stay on sideline or get ready to ride the hype machine strapped into FDs

lapetee

People are too hung up in TSLA making them money back in the day. Well guess what? SPCX will grab that money by the balls and throw it into Elons lap like the time santa did not bring you any presents but neighbors Billy got all the fun stuff

Scheswalla

You say that, but there's no other explanation for TSLA having the price that it does.

EnergyOwn6800

Reddit does not understand that you don't bet against Elon. First TSLA now SPCX. It only goes up. And it has not even been added on NASDAQ 100 yet.

LeadWithLogic

All true however the same could be said for TSLA yet it retains its unearned value. The cult of Musk is a powerful thing many of his followers just want to be a part of something. They couldn't care less of the price.

RandomC6

Mag7 aren't the real Mag7 anymore. Largest seven companies by market cap do not include META any more, and SPCX would have kicked out TSLA now, although I would have prefered AVGO over TSLA anyway.

Gimmetbow

!banbet TSLA 460 14d

lenzflare

TSLA experienced multiple huge drawdowns. Much more than 30%

RJ5R

*"Wall Street banks are going to pocket $500 million in fees from this IPO. That is, observers say, surprisingly low given the offering’s scale. But that shows how keen the bankers are to get their snouts in the trough of Musk’s future equity sales.* *With that amount of money at stake, it is no surprise that Wall Street and its useful idiots in the media are pushing this stock as hard as it can be pushed.* ***In case you missed it, jumbo Wall Street bank JPMorgan. JPM had a stock analyst covering Musk’s other publicly traded company, Tesla TSLA, who was resolutely bearish. By an absolutely amazing coincidence, JPMorgan a month ago suddenly reallocated that analyst. His replacement initiated coverage of Tesla with a target price more than three times as high. And Musk cut JPMorgan in on the IPO. JPMorgan declined to comment"*** [https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/jpmorgan-just-dramatically-reversed-course-194105134.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/jpmorgan-just-dramatically-reversed-course-194105134.html)

RealisticIncome273

Fair. Only caveat I'd give with spaceX (even though their valuation is absolutely fucked as well) is they have products outside of simply selling generative AI and their looking at acquiring TSLA, whereas I see OpenAI and Anthropic as the bellweather for AI in general as that is their core/only product. It's becoming pretty apparent that their pricing models are not working and they're scrambling, and the market has already factored in their intent to IPO so I don't think you're gonna see a huge pop anywhere when a date is announced. But I'm a regard and I lose a lot so i don't even know why I'm commenting on this

spilledonwhite

With TSLA p/e MU would be 7500 so sure why not. Also adobe spams me with AI features every time I open a pdf. I don't want it. I need to do one little thing and it takes me more time to close their pop-ups than the actual task. I'm on the verge of canceling my subscription but don't know any pdf alternatives. I was exoloring their cancellation options or lower subscrions and they offered me 3 months free. I feel like they have a monopoly on that file format though.

spilledonwhite

You know people that bought IPO aren't allowed to sell for like 30 days? And the dickload of stock held by employees cant be sold for like 180-360 days and they can only sell if it is up. But TSLA coasts at 350 PE so whatever 500-600 PE is, is probably where SPCX will land.

Weak-Pomegranate-435

Lol. TSLA is hoping not one notices its $0.48B. And pretend like there is nothing wrong here 😭🥀

surfnvb7

How much of the 80% control of SpaceX does he have to give up in order to payout Tesla? Back when he bought Twitter, he had to sell off quite a bit of TSLA, and that stock took a beating.

aftherith

So does TSLA become the forgotten stepchild or does it just follow SPCX

ConsensualUpskirts

I totally get this. Don't worry I've been around here on and off for a while. I bought TSLA when wsb first discovered it. Got in at $2 and my young paper hands got out at like $2.40 (splits applied). We just haven't been pumping and dumping multi-trillion companies

FinancialTower3672

Spcx definitely httin 1000 even without TSLA merger

SunriseSurprise

He wants that trillion dollar payout from TSLA too.

Singularity-42

I think TSLA had always P/E in the multiple hundreds range. It's a cult stock, maybe the time of reckoning will come, but we haven't really seen it yet in those 2 decades...

dragoon7201

"instead of dividends, we would like to reward our shareholders with a free trip to mars. So each share is basically worth infinite money because think of all the gold that is possibly on mars. We are looking to start this program as soon as possible, right after our subsidiary TSLA releases the roadster in the next year for sure."

NotMe357

Cathie Wood bought about 3.2M shares of SPCX today. Her best buy was TSLA so of course she will buy SPCX. Lets see what kind of price it will stay at in a few months.

PooPooPointBoiz

I don't understand how Elon has so much pull and influence. Especially after his swing to the far right. Tesla seems like it's dying. BYD is fucking over tesla on the world stage. They're pivoting to fucking autonomous humanoid robots? Come on dude. Killing off the S and X? What kind of BS is that? And yet TSLA is still at like a 2T market cap? And because SpaceX has some nasa contracts, it is also now worth 2T? What the fuck?

Temporary_Ad_5947

If the purchase price of TSLA isn't $420.69 then I want off this market

Initial_Ad_9250

TSLA theta Fridays are so cursed mayne.

FeverTreeCloud

Difference is that TSLA was dirt cheap because it was almost bankrupt at one point Regards paying high premium for SPAX

ChewbaccaIsBear

**the ONLY good thing** about AI, SPACEX, TSLA and all the other bullshit companies is that the CASINO has openly and totally entered the formal markets, therefore, **with all the porn moneis from bubbles and bullshit in the real market, the fake moneis BITCOIN that doesn´t even do a pretend product at a huge loss, will die...**

Mizake_Mizan

I received a notification through Etrade that since I had invested with Tesla for over 10 years I was eligible for allocation for SPCX. I applied for 200 shares and received 199. I think because I've held TSLA for so long without selling they realized I'm not a day trader or looking for a quick flip which is why I received almost my entire ask.

Ok_Wealth_3433

Everyone hating on spacex is gunna see the company do the same thing as TSLA (returns not to that magnitude obviously). The guy revolutionized the car industry whether you like it or not. I’m yoloing into long dated csps on Tuesday, probably around a $80 strike.

bobbymcpresscot

>And nobody of any importance or power (like banks) believes Musk's either, *your point*? except the banks do. >They **don't** accept them at market share face value. They accept them vastly below that, at what they estimate they could actually get out of them in a real life liquidation, like 1/3 or 1/4 as much as their face market cap value. There's a reason the % of market cap a bank offers loans for wildly changes based on the stock and how volatile or riskyis it--because they are not using market cap whatsoever. Because it's dumb as rocks as a concept, and banks aren't dumb as rocks. cool story bro, facts are facts, and in the example of TSLA there are almost 3 billion shares in the float, only about a billion are in control of Tesla's execs, which means there is quite literally that much real money out there invested in TSLA. Him having control over those shares doesn't make him any less of a trillionaire.

Beneficial-Age-9293

With SPCX out next to TSLA, the retard strength of his cult has been split in half.

hgrunt

They might not have actually calculated what space is worth. Rationally speaking, doing anything up there is expensive, and there's currently little to no economic value in exploiting it As much as I hate to say, Musk has massive appeal to retail investors who are True Believers who want to be rewarded for their fealty. The ones who poured their life savings into TSLA before it went hockey-stick and split and want to get in on that again I can list a dozen, very rational reasons why SPCX makes no sense, but it will fall on deaf ears. Retail investors do not need to be rational when there are enough of them to buy and hold

cohortq

I bought 1 share. This could have meme potential like TSLA.

barneyaa

Ma, I'm ready too, but the thing is I am ready for TSLA to fuck off for 7 years now... It is disconnected.

Own_Huckleberry262

TSLA and crypto both boomed during Covid stimulus. People had money to burn and still do. AI is the new TSLA and crypto. After that it will be something else.