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Tesla's Bull Case

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A bullet pointed summary of Tesla's Earnings

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Tesla Non-GAAP EPS of $0.71 misses by $0.03, revenue of $25.17B misses by $590M

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TESLA will crumble! sell while you still can.

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🔥🚀 Tesla's Q4 Earnings: About to Shock Wall Street? Big Bets, Big Gains? 🚀🔥

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Tesla is 1T+ valuation easily

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Google - The AI Juggernaut Poised to Explode

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$TSLA FSD Good Ol' Reliable - Easiest short in history?

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Tesla Tesla Tesla in 2024

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2024: A Stormy Forecast for Tesla? Unveiling Potential Challenges and Stock Shadows...

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Inebriation Remedy And Breakthrough MS Treatment: Meet FSD Pharma - FSD Pharma (NASDAQ:HUGE)

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Is Tesla the Ultimate Investment? Garry Breaks Down the Numbers, Growth, and Unveils the EV Game-Changer!

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Coke has recalled thousands of cases of it’s popular soft drinks.

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FSD Pharma Inc. Obtains Final Order for Plan of Arrangement $HUGE Ticker

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FSD Pharma 1 for 1 Celly Nu on what exchange?

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Auxly Paying $4M Settlement to Investors

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Elon, keep talking brother. My shorts gonna print $

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FSD Pharma Files Supplement to Management Information Circular in Connection with Special Meeting to be Held on November 20, 2023

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To no one’s surprise, GM’s Cruise has been lying about their driverless tech capabilities for years. Calls on FSD.

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We Should Start Worrying about Tesla (TSLA)

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Taking a look at TSLA Most recent financials

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Taking a look at tsla financials

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Taking a look at tsla financials

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Stock dividend in the works for shareholders of FSD Pharma $HUGE. Their UNBUZZD product is being dividended out via its deal with Celly Nu

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FSD Pharma and Celly Nu Enter Into Arrangement Agreement

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FSD Pharma and Celly Nu Enter Into Arrangement Agreement

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FSD Pharma Wins $2.8 Million Dollar Award Plus Accruing Interest from Dr. Raza Bokhari; Set Aside Motion Brought by Bokhari, Now CEO of Medicus Pharma, Dismissed by the Ontario Superior Court of Justice

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POWERFUL AI COMPANY 9PE

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POWERFUL AI COMPANY 9PE

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Who Will be the First OEM Auto Company to License FSD

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FSD Pharma announces Interim Results from First-in-Human Clinical Trial of Lucid-MS (Lucid-21-302) for Multiple Sclerosis

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FSD Pharma announces Interim Results from First-in-Human Clinical Trial of Lucid-MS (Lucid-21-302) for Multiple Sclerosis; The Report Shows Compound to be Safe and Well Tolerated

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Morgan Stanley Sees Dojo Boosting TSLA Value by $500 Billion

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Tesla just a car company? $TSLA

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Story Time - Nvidia, CoreWeave, Magnetard Capital and the Next Bubble to Pop

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Why so much hate for Elon?

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Tesla car prices crash harder than Tesla on FSD mode

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FSD Pharma Breaks Ground with Lucid-MS: A Glimpse into the Future of Multiple Sclerosis Treatment - US Business News

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FSD Pharma Signs Definitive Agreement to Launch UNBUZZD, a Revolutionary Rapid Alcohol Detoxification Drink

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Elon Musk Confirms Tesla FSD v12 Alpha – the Final, Simple & Elegant Approach to Level 4 Autonomy

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Elon said FSD is in the bag EOY 🍆 💦 aka by 2040… maybe

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First Cybertruck Production started in Giga-Texas

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Tesla is going to 100$ before November

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China's Xpeng sees sales turnaround in second half with new EV mode

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What hype will TESLA bandwagon for 2024?

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Tesla stock ($TSLA) sinks as Barclays says it's time 'to move to the sidelines'.

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FSD Pharma Announces Agreement to Grant Exclusive Rights to Revolutionary Recreational Alcohol Misuse Technology

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Tesla FSD and autopilot

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FSD Pharma Awarded $2.81 Million in Cost Awards From Dr. Raza Bokhari

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FSD Pharma Completes Dosing of First Cohort in Phase I Clinical Trial of Lucid-MS, a New Drug Candidate for the Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis: Safety Review Committee Recommends Commencing Dosing of Second Cohort. $HUGE

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Tesla Vs Competition

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$HUGE Financial report sparked a recent rally..looking for a $2 break here…

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FSD Pharma Adds Former Celsius Holdings CEO Gerry David to Board of Advisors

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Justice will be late, but it will never be absent.

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Nvidia belongs in your portfolio

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Will Tesla go up (a): a comprehensive understanding of Tesla

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The Treasury Department says. Did we offend you?

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$TSLA Investors are Uniting to Fight Losses TOGETHER🥊

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On why EVs and robotaxis are not going to create multi-trillion dollar companies...

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My 58-year-old father put his entire 401k into Tesla stock. How do you explain the volatility risk and lack of diversification to a parent?

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Tesla Headed to $2T Market Cap long term

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Tesla’s next vehicle could be ‘almost entirely autonomous’ and cost only around $20,000

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Tesla and TSLA

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Tesla pauses FSD Beta rollout until software update is available (NASDAQ:TSLA)

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Could Tesla get hit substantially due to FSD revenue?

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FSD Pharma Presenting Two Scientific Posters on Preclinical Toxicology and Efficacy Data of Lucid-21-302 (Lucid-MS) at Americas Committee for Treatment and Research in Multiple Sclerosis (ACTRIMS) 2023 Forum

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Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles over self-driving safety concerns, stock falls

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Whoa! That Tesla Super Bowl Commercial

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Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says full self-driving beta software may cause crashes

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GNTX- Gentex

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Tesla: Ross Gerber BOD + Other news for the week [Summarized - Feb 12]

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Tesla's new FSD Super Bowl ad

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Dr. Techy | Tesla boasts of seeing no rival in self-driving even with a telescope. Now watchdog’s probing.

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The reality of $TSLA. Thousands of consumer complaints, hundreds of pending investigations. Waiting for FSD to unlock level 69 lawsuits.

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The reality of $TSLA. Thousands of consumer complaints, hundreds of pending investigations. Waiting for FSD to unlock level 69 lawsuits.

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Tesla Earnings Call Notes

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The weirdest Tesla prediction you’ve seen all year…

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A data scientist's thoughts on Elon Musk and Tesla

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What do you think about NVDA today and in the future

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2022 is in the past now ladies and gentlemen.

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2022 is in the past now ladies and gentlemen.

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Tesla stock analysis and valuation - including DIY valuation

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$TSLA = $CSCO in 2000 Part II. FSD was developed for Tesla's highly regarded bag holders

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I’m shorting $TSLA and here’s why!

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a 2-5yr bull case for tesla

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TSLA CEO had a hell of a 2022. What are your predictions for 2023?

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TSLA - Bull Case (Qualitative Opinion)

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Here’s the real reason why Elon is being political on Twitter

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The year is 2035, Tesla is still scamming people with the FSD package

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"Teslas promise of a fully self driving car merely an aspiration"

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Tesla's Official legal argument....

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Tesla DD: The Reverse WSB Chipotle Signal Has been Hit, and Other Catalysts Incoming

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That moment you sell your car to gamble on FSD 😏

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I want peoples opinions on $TSLA

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You’re all a bunch of sheep

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I have a question - after short squeeze could another short squeeze happen? $HUGE

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FSD Pharma Raza Bokhari Fired $HUGE Meme

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Elon Will Get Cancelled Soon

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FDA and Health Canada Clear IND for FSD Pharma to Proceed with Phase 2 Trial of FSD201 for Nociplastic Pain Associated with Idiopathic Mast Cell Activation Syndrome

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If Elon starts selling next week, I will have a heart attack with this leveraged yolo

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Let's not compare McDonald's AI ordering AI with TSLA fsd pls..Tesla has the most meaningful real-time AI application in the form of FSD.

Mentions:#TSLA#FSD

Theres one big difference Nvidia is delivering on product, meanwhile Tesla has yet to reduce cost of EVs significantly, or to introduce actual good FSD that wont murder you randomly Also Tesla CEO is a moron who's one tweet could tank the stock, that doesnt help either, meanwhile Nvidia has Jensen Wang and his sexy ass leather jacket

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Growth and Taxi shouldn't be in the same sentence. Look at uber and Lyft and tell me how many cents they've made in 15yrs? Insurance, maintaining a fleet, backend and front end support, thousands of litigation from shit FSD running into things and people. It costs a ton of money.

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AI? "FSD" has been in development for a decade and can barely make a right turn. Monkeys are dying left and right from experiments. Cybercrap is falling to pieces within months. Hundreds of thousands of autos not sold. Solar roofs that costs $100k. Firing the entire charging team that is actually worth a damn. All ran by a man child who dumped $44b into Twitter and spends most of his time making babies with company subordinates under the office desk. Ooohhh Iron man robot. Lol give me a fucking break.

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Yup, she's the one. It was also interesting how she didn't know how FSD was programmed. She didn't know whether it was fully neural net or partially neural net and partially hard coded. Nor did she know exactly how competitors were programming their systems. I found this pretty hilarious considering it's her job to know and her firm just put out ridiculous price targets with massive assumptions based on... feelings?

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I watched someone from Ark talking about their $2000 Tesla price target. She kept using the word "feel" to describe major points of their thesis. "We feel like Tesla can capture 10% market share in robots. We feel like FSD is just right around the corner. We feel like...". ARKK is down 4% over the last 5 years, yet somehow these people are still relevant.

Mentions:#FSD#ARKK

I hear you and with you on Elon saying FSD next year for the past 8 years lol. But listen, I drive to work with no interventions. Maybe out of 5-10 drives, I have to take over only once. That’s how good it’s become. Future software updates will only keep improving it.

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I acknowledge all of those points about FSD over the Mercedes system but I also think you need to read more into it. The difference between lvl 2 and 3 is where liability is placed in case of accident. This may seem like just regulatory shenanigans but it is actually a critical indication of approach and maturity. The Mercedes system is level 3 because if something goes wrong Mercedes will be liable. Tesla assumes no risk if there is an accident, using their "Full Self Driving" is at your risk not theirs. Lastly cause this is getting long, your thesis statement is we can't bet against them because they are taking huge risks no one else is willing to do and had a proven track record because they built tesla. This is false, scaling up is NORMAL for any company with a new product for the market. You could apply the literal hand built to automation to every manufacturing company at its infancy to it's maturity. I recognize musk made a great play on EVs and even finding a way to make shooting things up into space cheaper but why does that make him the Messiah on AI,.or robotaxis, or robots which he is jumping on the bandwagon to. At least with EVs/spacex he was literally trying to revolutionize the industry with a. Concept that was new, everyone is already doing AI or robots or robotaxis. I'm asking for more then look he did Tesla/,spacex so I can't bet against him argument. Give me data not speculation that he has a potential product that actually is different then what others have already achieved or doing

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Ripped off from another Reddit user, but... "Here’s the big differences between Tesla fsd & Mercedes drive pilot 1) Mercedes drive pilot can only operate in highways whereas Tesla fsd will work on both highways & city streets 2) The speed limit on Mercedes drive pilot is 40mph max whereas Tesla fsd is 85mph, here Mercedes drive pilot needs to follow other vehicles whereas in Tesla case it is not required to follow other vehicles. 3) Regarding the traffic patterns Mercedes is not capable of handling interchange whereas Tesla fsd is capable of most of the traffic patterns 4) Mercedes drive pilot doesn’t work with flashing lights in the area, meanwhile Tesla fsd functions with flashing lights 5) Mercedes drive pilot doesn’t work in construction zones, Tesla fsd operates in the construction zones 6) Mercedes drive pilot usage in day time only whereas Tesla fsd can work in daytime or nighttime use 7) Mercedes drive pilot cannot change lanes whereas Tesla fsd can change lanes 8) Mercedes drive pilot needs the lane lines whereas for Tesla fsd lane lines is not required 9) Mercedes drive pilot is functioning only in California & Nevada whereas Tesla fsd in all 50 states, Tesla in the last 24hr Tesla has launched subscriptions for Enhanced Autopilot (EAP) in China, as many expect that the company could soon launch its Full Self-Driving (FSD) in the country" People claiming Mercedes is ahead aren't paying any attention. Furthermore, achieving Level 3 basically just shifts liability onto the company. It isn't a massive departure from Level 2 from a technical standpoint. In the end, we will see what happens with Tesla. Everyone hates Musk, but he's one of the best capital allocators, and one of the most ambitious and imaginative leaders in any space. The risk/reward is very high with this approach. If you compare a company like Tesla to something like Apple, it's very clear to see how differently they approach innovation. Apple stays in its lane, makes incremental changes, does not have large departures. They talked about an Apple Car, but ultimately scrapped that plan. Tesla on the other hand went from having ONE vehicle mostly assembled by hand, to having a line of vehicles, a huge overhaul in automation and robotics, energy storage, charging networks that are being built out faster than all others combined, AI training models, billions of miles of driving data, and now humanoid robots. Will it all work out? Who knows, but to doubt a person and a company who has done all that is absolutely dumb. All we have is evidence that they can achieve amazing things, albeit not quite on time. Well, let me know when you find an ambitious vision that happens on time.

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Thousands of teens driving Teslas with the FSD package enabled? Is that safe to assume? I’m not sure. Also you’re ignoring the other issues I’ve outlined. Namely, that FSD will disengage and force the driver to take over and assume liability in any hairy situation. So by default, the system avoids accidents by not being engaged during situations leading to accidents. Right now they don’t count anything that happens that occurs longer than a few seconds after disengagement. The numbers tell us nothing of value in terms of how the system would actually operate fully autonomously without safety drivers.

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As far as I can see since 2018 there have been 13 FSD fatalities. Even taking into account your issues (namely the age and wealth of a Tesla driver, even though they are opinions and not based on any actual data) it’s safe to assume there are still thousands of teenagers who drive teslas, and who are not getting into fatalities. THIRTEEN fatalities since 2018. 200,000+ fatalities in “human operated cars” since 2018.

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Your two paragraphs about Sesame Street did absolutely nothing to refute statistics that show FSD “or monitored driving” (whatever) is much less likely to kill your than you fully driving a car for yourself.

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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla\_Autopilot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot) They are using a camera only system on most of their cars at the moment; some have radar. They are not using lidar or high resolution maps. Tesla's implementation autonomous driving was abandoned by everyone else many years ago as it was found to be unsafe and unreliable; this is only suitable for SAE level 2 at most. They are also training on consumer drivers were as competitors are only using training data derived from professional drivers + using a driving simulator (garbage in = garbage out no matter how much data you have). They have not yet applied for legal permission anywhere to use an SAE level 3, 4, or 5 system. the current level 4 systems in operation are geofenced and speed limited for safety; Tesla would be required to follow these guidelines as well. No level 5 systems currently exist. This is all really a moot point though; most Tesla owners did not buy autopilot/FSD and most drivers drop the subscription after the 1 month trial. Even if they achieved level 5 FSD it's not clear how profitable it would be since it is being sold as an add-on for a car sale (guessing it would be about as profitable as current systems are now). It's not clear if robotaxi's will be profitable either. These taxi's will still need maintenance (daily cleaning at least). For a service like Uber the driver would be on the hook for all of these expenses; with robotaxi's Tesla will be. Consumer cars will not be on the robotaxi network no matter what Elon says; imagine the insurance nightmare. Remember, Waymo already has SAE level 4 robotaxi's; last I checked their valuation is only $30 billion. SAE level 4 and 5 is not a golden ticket, this won't change Tesla's income by a wide margin.

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Tesla FSD is not even real FSD; just a marketing gimmick * https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/18hgqng/dmv_says_teslas_full_selfdriving_name_is_false/

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Tesla’s safety numbers are meaningless because they have insane selection bias. Tesla owners tend to be responsible older adults with money to buy one. Majority of accidents tend to be caused by teens and younger adults in their early 20s. So right off the bat it’s a pointless comparison. Then consider that those using FSD are hyper aware of what it’s doing and paying attention ready to take over since it requires you to take over and assume liability if anything crazy happens. Then consider that those who use FSD get to know when and where it works well and where it doesn’t. So if it performs well in regions heavily trafficked by Teslas (Silicon Valley, CA) that have good weather it’s more likely to be engaged than elsewhere in poor weather. The biases in the data are ridiculous. Until Tesla has a real test program operating 24/7 in all conditions without safety drivers we won’t know if it’s actually any good or capable of reliable autonomous driving (robotaxi not driver assistance).

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I love when people bring up Tesla FSD accidents / deaths. It’s because it’s so rare compared to non FSD deaths that it’s talked about immensely. I highly doubt (and can’t even see any data that points to) there have been over 200 FSD fatalities since Tesla inception, while there are nearly 40,000 non FSD fatalities PER YEAR.

Mentions:#FSD#YEAR

Didn’t discount that I use FSD everyday and it simply works. It’s only a matter of time before the monetization kicks in big time

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Inverse Reddit (99% on Reddit hate TSLA). FSD is the real deal. I use it everyday and it’s phenomenal. Earnings growth will be insane once robotaxi launches

Mentions:#TSLA#FSD

They put a guy in a suit on stage. They're promising fully functional human robots when they haven't even fulfilled their FSD promise. They put it out there to pump the stock when they had nothing else to show. It's a joke.

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TSLA factory in India? Sounds bullish (car sales projected to increase if they are to build more factories) TSLA entering market in India? Sounds bearish (why would they buy a TSLA that FSD will cry when running on their road)

Mentions:#TSLA#FSD

Tesla over promises and under delivers constantly. Forget the AI play for a moment, I'm sick and tired of every CEO, their mother, brother, and third cousin pretending they are the real source of the AI revolution. Tesla is the same play it's always been. They MUST deliver on their cheaper car on schedule. They're getting crushed by BYD in China, and in the US they are being matched by competitors left and right. The problem is Tesla has never, NEVER released a new car on schedule. That track record needs to end now with this new 25k car, or they are going to start falling behind. As for robotaxis, again it's been promised for so long and not delivered I'll believe it when I see it. You don't just roll out robotaxis without having FSD perfected, and I haven't seen any evidence they have achieved that yet. Sure they can do an announcement, but announcements are worthless without the product. Tesla needs to shut up and deliver.

Mentions:#BYD#FSD

No. Waymo is years behind. FSD can operate with the press of a button anywhere in the U.S.

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Probably. since there’s actual reason for it to go up now (ex. FSD testing officially approved in China, 3 new major products, Aug. 8th robotaxi event, etc.)

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TSLA investors are too detached from reality. They ignore all fundamentals and instead focus on the long-term potential of FSD and robots. TSLA could lose money for several quarters in a row and the stock will barely move.

Mentions:#TSLA#FSD

FSD testing approval in gyna.

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Looks like I can afford my renewal on FSD today

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>Tesla is way behind now on autonomous vehicles. You are going to lose all your money if you seriously believe this. Hate Tesla all you want but their FSD is years ahead of anyone else.

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Geofenced autonomous driving is insignificant in the bigger picture compared to FSD. Yes FSD isn't ready yet but it's really just a matter of time. There are zero other companies that have a comparable product. For your sake I hope you didn't short it at the today's open.

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Millions of robots, 2TWh of battery deployment, Autonomous ride sharing network, FSD licensing, Insurance, chip design, solar, Powerwall 3, Megapack 3, Autobider, Lithium refining, 4680, best selling car in the world with production scaling another 10x, unannounced new product categories.

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what's this tsla rally based on? I can't find any reason other than FSD HW 5.0... which is useless.

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FSD testing approval news in gyna

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good news for FSD in gyna

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FSD Robotaxi hyped for August 8.

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We do have self-driving cars. Have you seen Tesla's FSD videos on youtube? crazy how well it already works. AI is indeed being used to optimize the placement of different components on the chip for maximum throughput/efficiency/space use/cost. This stuff used to take human experts with decades of experience a year or two to get right. AI can help these experts come up with a much better starting point in just a few days. There was a paper on it in Nature some time ago - not by Nvidia but by Google, but no reason to believe Nvidia doesn't have their own version in-house.

Mentions:#FSD

Got the founder edition cyber truck free FSD hell yeah! Wait it’s not ready yet? Wait the cheaper model will have it for only 99/month? Ah fuck it I got the special engraving hahaha poors!

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This guy definitely does not have a Tesla. Ss an owner of a Model X and FSD since the beginning, I can say autonomous driving on Teslas suck. Unreliable and dangerous. The whole reason why I bought a Tesla and paid an extra $10k is because he promised autonomous “door to door” driving in a couple years, it’s no where near ready for at least another 10yrs at this pace.

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Dude I'm was listening until you got to autonomy. Tesla is eons, theyre Elons ahead. FSD is legit. Fucken Suck (my) Dick

Mentions:#FSD

I think a lot of the multi-CEO stuff is overblown. It’s mostly structural. A lot of his companies could be merged into just a couple as there’s plenty of crossover. Also, if Elon leaves Tesla, it becomes a “car company” which will send its value way down. As long as he’s there, it’s a “tech company.” Things like FSD and robotaxis are a big part of the stock price.

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Tesla. Self driving will be a money printing machine and completely change transport forever. I just bought a Tesla and have been using FSD everyday. While it’s not 100% flawless, it’s getting really close. Much closer than the world realizes.

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FSD is not a pipe dream but it is the way Elon is trying to implement it. Have a look at this: https://comma.ai

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Lol weren't we supposed to have FSD by now and also be on Mars? Oh and didn't he say he was going to end world hunger?

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What? FSD is allready there. Its just a matter of some more compute cycles and suddenly we live in a true physical AI world.

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Lmao Tesla is not getting FSD

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OP asked for stocks with no correlation to the AI trend. But the Tesla bull case is based on FSD und Optimus, two potential applications of AI.

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I was one of those 2 million pre-order. The promise was $40k, 500+ miles of range, similar quality to other Tesla models (safety, software, etc.) What was the result failed 100% in all of those areas. While you're right that they still sell the other models, they're super dated now and quickly declining in unit sales and price because Elon hasn't put any effort in updating them and instead is just taking things away and making them worse. Just to focus on FSD which is a pipe dream. 

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Right now, SMLR (a mini MSTR). Basically, any company that follows the same investment strategy as MSTR. As for AI…. TSLA (I’m still stacking). Their FSD alone far succeeds any other company boosting AI.

I dont know, cybertruck is a broken pile of dog shit on wheels. My model x had gotten worse with every update since musk took over twitter. They took away free supercharging. QC Is is awful across every model. FSD is awful. Prices were slashed putting a lot of buyers upside down on their cars. Calls it is

Mentions:#FSD

There has been dozens of car companies with just same amount of labor and shippable product but their stock prices have not performed anywhere close to Tesla most are bankrupt . Compare to save RIVIAN by all means well funded with no poorer than Tesla product , their stock has dropped 10x since IPO. Elon was the reason for the stock increase, by bringing attention and loyal fan base who were forking over 10k+ for “FSD” preordering for vehicles that were not going to ship for years . I am not ascribing any value for vision or execution although they are worth a lot , just his meme worthiness and constant news makes a difference in stock price .

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Tesla grew because they were supposed to have FSD by 2019. People realised it was more like a scam. NVIDIA can't simply do that, their tech work and they are selling cards like candies. Tesla is not selling.

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You missed the recent news that something like 90% of drivers get rid of FSD? Till that shit accepts liability for accidents and doesn’t try to kill occupants on a semi regular basis, that isn’t going anywhere.

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Yup, he's gonna get on that right after FSD, Hyper loop, and making Twitter profitable. But when he finally delivers something instead of robots it will be limited edition flamethrowers.

Mentions:#FSD

Oh yea? You think Teslas can fly? Hey, when is my cyber truck supposed to be a boat? What about the locking differentials? What about FSD? Y’all Musk fanboys will do anything except think critically, won’t you?

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No details about delivering FSD lol that was just an over promise.

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FSD is father along than any competitor. Same for the vehicles and the infrastructure. In fact, his competition is leasing infrastructure from Tesla...

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I hear that, and agree... I'm focused on continued development of FSD. It's a software/data play imo And they are the best position to use AI to its full potential in capitalize on the market segment in a phenomenal way.

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What do you mean? It was always about the ~~Roadster~~, ~~FSD~~, ~~Cheap Model 3~~, ~~Optimus~~, AI.

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6 months ago is an ancient version with how fast FSD has been evolving. Try to keep up.

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I paid $5k for enhanced autopilot when I got the car 5.5 years ago, then paid $2k for the FSD hardware 3 upgrade with lifetime FSD. Absolutely no regrets on my part. It's been insane watching the progress as my continues improving it's capabilities 5.5 years after I bought it. L

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Remind me when you can buy a waymo or cruise vehicle. I have never seen a waymo vehicle in person because they are completely geofenced to completely mapped areas. I see plenty of Tesla's and have had FSD for over 2 years now. My cat does plenty of entire drives on its own now. FSD V12 was a massive step change on functionality that got rid of so many issues the previous versions couldn't handle.

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Waymo is playing a different game, but FSD can do plenty of entire drives with no interventions. It's definitely not even remotely complete shit. It was 2 years ago, but not anymore. No other car manufacturer has anything remotely close to the capabilities of FSD for consumers.

Mentions:#FSD

I definitely understand. Teslas valuation is based on the fact that the world has decided to move to electric cars over ice. When you look at how all of the other car companies are set up with unions and loads of debt you realize that Tesla is close to Apple in this situation. People would have said the same thing about the mobile phone space. The other car companies aren’t going to be able to shift their business to 100% electric without a massive bailout to pay pension obligations and actually be able to fire people from their ICE divisions. Most importantly if you look at the US car industry Tesla has the highest automotive gross margins (even after cutting prices) even compared to ICE vehicles. Most of the legacy auto are currently getting their margins from financing (although it looks like Tesla is moving into this as well so they will have more debt moving forward). Also at the moment Tesla isn’t paying a cut to dealers. Then Tesla has a massive cost advantage with the hardware for charging stations and the reliability. Their charging stations are so good that the other car companies (their competitors) are switching to their charging standard. They are also building and designing their own batteries and building their own end to end supply chain for mining the materials for batteries and increasing their ability to recycle. As a reference the market cap of CATL is $100B alone. Finally Tesla Energy is growing and again if you believe in the Decarbonization push where solar, wind and other intermittent renewables will take up a larger portion of the energy mix their energy business has the potential to be massive. This is also excluding things like their virtual power plant which is replacing diesel generators for homes. As long as you believe this and you believe that the US will not allow Chinese cars to dominate the market / Americans would be reluctant to purchase Chinese cars. If you notice I’m not mentioning their insane software advantage in terms of the software to run the car and apps (iOS). If you look at the other stuff creating an AWS competitor, FSD, Robotaxis, and Optimus and assume there is a 10% chance of them being able to do at least one of those, I think each of those is a 1-2 trillion dollar opportunity. Personally I think for them Optimus is the most likely as they can use it in their factory and start saving money on labor costs and sell that to other factories (I do not believe the story that this is something that will be useful for normal people).

Mentions:#ICE#FSD

And then when nobody bought FSD he realized he sucked.

Mentions:#FSD

> Elon gets a 10% cut for increasing our investment tenfold. lmao “the company’s CEO gets 1/10 of my investment because he met his target, never mind the fact that Tesla has lost nearly 55% of its value since it’s all time high and is currently trading below the original $650 billion target that triggered this particular pay package. I’m a good Elon cuck and I want him to take 1/10 of my monies. Never mind the millions of investors who are likely in the red that put their monies into Tesla when it was worth somewhere between $1.25 trillion and $600 billion. He deserves $50 billion because as we all know, everyone invested into Tesla when it was worth $50 billion and got those 10x gains.” If you want to reward him with a bonus, feel free. But imagine the cuckoldry it takes to say “take 1/10th of my investment as an award”. I’m going to give you more money than Tesla has ever made in its life because Daddy Elon is soooooo good. Tesla Roadster coming soon BTW 😂 Tesla Semi is going to take over the world! FSD right around the corner. Fucking cucked, all of you lol

Mentions:#FSD

None of these clowns have tried it. They think it’s still the same version it was 2 years ago. You and I know Tesla has massively improved FSD. Most drives I have 0 interventions.

Mentions:#FSD

sure, and i acknowledged that FSD and AGI are both further out. That said, it's kind of an interesting hypothetical for that "last 5%" Almost a "trolley problem" right? "Human drivers crash X times making Y type errors. We can squarely blame the human driver." versus "AI drivers crash 20% (hypothetically) of X but make Z type errors which a human wouldn't ever make and are therefore 'random' injuries and fatalities." Is the ability to "blame" specific human error worth 5x the number of crashes? Utilitarianism kinda laughs at this.

Mentions:#FSD#AGI

There’s a theory that the last 5% of the puzzle is way harder to complete than the first 95%. That last 5% usually causes the headaches and issues. You can see that with FSD.

Mentions:#FSD

FSD=Full of Shit Dude

Mentions:#FSD

Wait. tsla FSD and sex bot not today? ![img](emote|t5_2th52|31226)![img](emote|t5_2th52|31226)![img](emote|t5_2th52|31226)

Mentions:#FSD

Pathologically liar at this point. What he has said Tesla would achieve by 2024 hasn’t happened. FSD, Robo taxi’s, roadster the list goes on and on. He 100% should prosecuted for pumping and dumping.

Mentions:#FSD

They need to reprogram FSD. Indians drive on the left side of the road... also on the right side of the road... and a bit sideways.

Mentions:#FSD

He sent chips to xAI because Tesla would've had them in a warehouse for several months while waiting for its server farm infrastructure to catch up. But xAI had an allocation of chips coming later, so Tesla swapped and will get those when they can use them. And at least for FSD right now, Tesla isn't compute-constrained anyway.

Mentions:#FSD

Yeah being a good investor is about being a contrarian at times. He's totally right that a well functioning humanoid robot would bring in that amount of money, I think he's underestimating personally. However whether they can build such a thing is a totally different and open question. Once FSD is done I think people we adjust to it pretty quickly.

Mentions:#FSD

At this point, it seems like we are closer to AGI/Singularity than the FSD Elon promised back in 2015 ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4267)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)

Mentions:#AGI#FSD

Tesla has come EXTREMELY far in the past 6 years since the initial pay package was introduced in 2018. 5-6 years ago the average person didn’t even know what a Tesla was. Since then they’ve built mega factories in Austin-Berlin-Shanghai, made insane progress in AI/FSD, best selling vehicle of 2023 / top 5 of 2024, and made mind blowing progress on the Optimus humanoid robot program. There’s absolutely no telling what the next 5-6 years will look like. Honestly if Elon has achieved the initial stages of mass deployment of a Robo-taxi network + $20-30k humanoid robot for sale to consumers & companies for labor by 2030, Elon should be quite replaceable from there tbh - much in the sense Steve Jobs was for Apple or Bezos for Amazon. But Tesla - as it stands right now, is still not ready to walk without Elon. They’re literally in the middle of developing these revolutionary programs; what sense would it make to leave a company he has devoted his life to when he is so close to laying the groundwork of his vision + shareholders are clearly on his side & just provided him a massive $50 billion paycheck lol? My bold prediction is Elon massively backs off the politics posting if Trump wins the 2024 election and the media moves on from him. Wouldn’t be surprised if Elon sells Twitter altogether.

Mentions:#FSD

"Whether or not this ends up making “god in a box” isn’t especially important. What is important is that the companies trying to do it aren’t going to stop anytime soon. The risk/reward on trying to build the final thing mankind will ever build is so astronomically skewed that it’s hardly even a consideration. The reward for success is so vast that it makes the cost of failure *(a few hundred billion dollars)* seem insignificant." They'll stop if people realise it isn't likely to happen. You're the CEO of Google and you keep pouring the profits into Deep Thought and it doesn't deliver, shareholders are going to get impatient. This is how the AI hype will unwind. That people will see that we don't get movies produced with Midjourney, just gimmicks. Same as how you still can't drive drunk in a Tesla with "FSD".

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Also Tesla has come EXTREMELY far in the past 6 years since the initial pay package was introduced in 2018. Since then they’ve built mega factories in Austin-Berlin-Shanghai, made insane progress in AI/FSD, best selling vehicle of 2023 / top 5 of 2024, and made mind blowing progress on the Optimus humanoid robot program. There’s absolutely no telling what the next 5-6 years will look like. Honestly if Elon has achieved the initial stages of mass deployment of a Robo-taxi network + $20-30k humanoid robot for sale to consumers & companies for labor by 2030, Elon should be quite replaceable from there tbh. But Tesla - as it stands right now, is still not ready to walk without Elon. They’re literally in the middle of developing these revolutionary programs; what sense would it make to leave a company he has devoted his life to when he is so close to laying the groundwork of his vision + shareholders are clearly on his side & just provided him a massive $50 billion paycheck lol? My bold prediction is Elon massively backs off the politics posting if Trump wins the 2024 election and the media moves on from him. Wouldn’t be surprised if Elon sells Twitter altogether.

Mentions:#FSD

Elon hobbled FSD by mandating it rely on cameras rather than Lidar. Chinese EV manufacturers went with Lidar, which is a technically superior system and are ahead on FSD as a result.

Mentions:#FSD#EV

Tesla owns the supercharger stations which are the gas stations for the car. According to the documents submitted for the IRA they cost 1/5th the cost of competitors who ONLY do charging to install. Additionally unlike gasoline which is low margin and often multiple gas stations next to each other Tesla can set the margins on the cost of electricity and they sign PPAs before installation. I’m not talking about “solar tile” it’s irrelevant I’m talking about Tesla powerwall (for the home) and Tesla megapack (for the grid) these are growing and profitable businesses for Tesla. They are also getting into the refinery business (mining of lithium) and they also are able to recycle their batteries. This is also ignoring all of the ground up software they’ve built not even looking at FSD. So for them it’s a great business especially since they opened it up to other car makers.

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> maybe you know something the rest of the tech world doesn't lol. The same tech world that had regular driving being illegal by 2030 since FSD would have taken over and be safer? That tech world?

Mentions:#FSD

He likes to talk out his ass, but his cult fanboys will eat his shit up. Still waiting for FSD 😂

Mentions:#FSD

The P/E-ratio is 5x/10x compared to other car companies, because investors see Tesla as a Tech company. And Musk is necessary to keep this idea alive. Thats the reason he promises FSD, AI, robots,... If Musk is gone, the fantasy might vanish as well

Mentions:#FSD

Could be an interesting engineering challenge which could make FSD safer everywhere.

Mentions:#FSD

> What other CEO has accomplished what Elon has with Tesla, Starlink, SpaceX, etc? Bezos, Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jensen Huang, Steve Jobs. I would say they created comparable (and probably longer lasting) value compared with Musk, who is more of a hype man than an engineer (Jobs was kind of similar in this regard, I guess). SpaceX is really cool, and Musk was essential for Tesla at first, but he is bringing as much cost as benefit at this point. Let's look at some of his actions: * Cybertruck (early PR nightmare and likely failure) * Neglecting best selling models (Model Y and Model 3 designs are dated) as competition heated up (leading to significant price cuts) * Firing the SuperCharger team just as charging was becoming a cash cow * Doomed true FSD by ditching radar/lidar against the advice of his engineers. Waymo, Cruise and Mercedes have all surpassed Tesla in key areas (although *all* self-driving systems are still bad) * Tesla Semi (insufficient hauling capacity, orders appear suspended, destined for failure) * Has lied about upcoming FSD and robo-taxi functionality for *years*, to the point where there's now a fraud investigation * Roadster is still MIA after 2017 announcement (and pre-orders) * Pissing off older liberals (Tesla's core market) with his tweets * Sexual harassment allegations * Embarrassing distractions like humanoid robot Tesla is the second-worst performing stock in the S&P 500 over the past year. Yes, EV sales are slowing overall, but Musk isn't helping the situation. > EV/Hybrids have been around for a LONG time before Tesla yet Tesla is light years ahead of them. You should test drive some more recent EVs. Tesla still has the best range, but they are falling behind when it comes to build quality, styling, and interior feel. Yes, Teslas have Autopilot and Supervised Full Self-Driving, but why would people pay extra for self-driving that requires you to hold the steering wheel? If I can't drink beers in the back seat on the way home from work, it's not self-driving.

Mentions:#PR#FSD#EV

So no FSD then

Mentions:#FSD

This exactly, TSLA current valuation is based solely because people treat it like a tech company, banking on the fact that they will have a massive lead in the development of FSD due to all the data they have. And people