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mx_js_reddit

Bitcoin crossed that threshold you are thinking about. The bigger and more established it becomes, the more useful it becomes as an asset: deeper liquidity, global access, 24/7 markets, easy transferability, and increasingly better infrastructure around custody and collateral. Think about hedge funds, family offices and HNWIs sitting on huge amounts of capital. Cash is useful for liquidity, but it's a terrible long-term investment if your goal is to preserve purchasing power. So that capital constantly looks for somewhere to go: equities, QQQ, AI stocks, real estate, metals, carry trades, private markets, etc. That's part of why asset bubbles keep getting fed, but you can only buy so much of that.... until its suddenly at ATHs again and it doesnt look as good for an investment Crypto is now another asset class competing for that capital. And Bitcoin has some properties that are genuinely different from traditional assets: it's global, digital, highly liquid, transferable 24/7, scarce by design, and increasingly usable as collateral. ......And then you have the AI wave. If we're actually moving toward an agentic economy where billions of AI agents eventually transact, hold assets, pay each other and move value autonomously, crypto is almost tailor-made infrastructure for that world. An AI agent doesn't need a bank branch. It needs digital-native money and FAST settlement rails.

HSuke

It's for holders of QQQ, NVDA, and SMH

randomuser051

You could apply this math to SPY or QQQ and come out with a very similar result. Useless

Btomesch

Microstrategy join QQQ(Nasdaq) in 2024

Kommandant_Milkshake

Can you explain how QQQ would expose you to BTC? Genuine question

Btomesch

I got banned from there because I said if you buy QQQ then you have exposure to Bitcoin. They hated that. Get your sub on my feed then 😭

Big-Finding2976

lol, you would have more than doubled your money if you just invested it in QQQ 4 years ago. TQQQ would have made you 7x. Both far less risky than buying crypto.

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micho510900

Instant promissionless settlement. If you own assets you know why it's important. Try to move 500k from brokage to brokage for arbitrage. Try to balance large offshore accounts. Try to buy a realstate for cash. Try to live in a third world country and own some equity in Europe/USA. All these things take days if not weeks, require large 3rd party fees and usually is extremely complicated due to various regulations, sometimes impossible. I am from Europe, I can't own QQQ or JEPI, I don't have access to a lot of various instruments and ETFs. With perpetual futures on let's say ETH I actually can.

xaviemb

My point still stands... roughly 5% of the network (suits) care about jobs numbers relative to Bitcoin, the same way they care about rotations into QQQ or bons)... but the illiquidity of Bitcoin means when that 5% sells (risk on/off mentality) the other 95% of the network just has to shake our heads because we know what is happening long term, and US jobs have nothing to do with exchange rate of Bitcoin/USD ... but Wall Street thinks it is everything, because they price things in USD (and not Bitcoin). To be clear... jobs reports numbers have absolutely 0 real impact on the actual value of Bitcoin... but people reacting to what the US might do because of job numbers in their manipulation of markets and rates... is what drives knee jerk reactions to these news events that materialize in the short term BTC price in USD ... it's just entertaining because nothing stop where this is going

MaxPower1867

S&P is overvalued. It's due for a 20% correction. Semiconductors have had a 20% correction already. QQQ a 10% correction.

PeteyPab305

Bro you wasting opportunity cost selling one asset to buy another, and generating tax consequences in either directions and losing money. Pick a plan and stick with it. Don't chase "Trends" to try to catch a moonshot, that's how you lose everything. Just pick either BTC or TradFi, and if traditional markets buy QQQ and you will own SPCX through that anyway. Make monthly or bi-monthly contributions and allow the compounding over time, do the work. This isn't the way my friend. Your operating on vibes and emotion, rather than research, metrics, and long term conviction. Just trying to help, because it seems like you might be chasing the dragon a bit too hard.

SoCallMeDeaconBlues1

You bought one of the most volatile instruments in the entire market, and a day or two later got scared because number go down? Crypto probably isn't for you. Maybe put your money somewhere safer, like a HYSA (High Yield Savings Account. Or an index etf like SPY or VOO or QQQ.

TreadLightly1996

QQQ has a median PE of 25, how much more bigger can this overpriced monster grow?

No_Following2682

The least she could do is put some in VOO and or QQQ.

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olive_oil_lover_

How long have you been into BTC? This isn't QQQ 🤣

Pure_Ad_6530

I have index funds ( SOXX, QQQ, SPY) and GLD and 20% in T-Bills

NadlesKVs

That's literally not correct at all lmao. SPY/ QQQ are literally a combination of all of the top traded companies. BTC is not made up of the top Altcoins. Altcoins follow BTC because majority of Altcoins are traded against BTC (or ETH, SOL, etc) which a large portion are traded with using BTC.

User404isfound

Realistically 29% profits are 3 years S&P returns. Or 1.5 years on average with QQQ the past decade. Or 2 years of returns with VTI. The problem I used to have was innate human greed and delusional thinking that “it’s just not quite high enough, I’ll sell later when it hits $XYZ” and then see that I was right that time and I’m up another 10% so just let it ride… all the way up until I wake up that day and I’m down $20,000 cause it crashed down again. Scale in at lows by DCA, and do the same as it grows and DCA out. This way it’s not black and white. 50% of some profit is better than 100% of no profit. Or in crypto land, -376% of no profit

Otherwise-Tomato-788

Btc trader who doesn’t know about QQQ…you bought at 82k didn’t you.

Salt-Animator-6283

what is QQQ?

Antonio_928s4

I do not know, but I’m still -30% on BTC. Once it reach $100,000 I’m selling it all and I will move my money to QQQ instead. I do not care about “do not sell you Bitcoin” narrative anymore. I’m dead tired of its volatility.

RichardUkinsuch

Some got lucky on call options specifically in the chop and AI stocks, then get greedy and way overleverage. Wouldnt be surprised if SPY and QQQ take a massive dump as these guys get liquidated and they are margin called on their whole portfolio.

Primary-Ad588

Bro, read the article, you are just wrong, admit it. And yes, the whole tech industry is and always has been fueled on pre-revenue numbers and forward outlook. Thats why QQQ and the tech industry is and always have been the highest performing stocks. It’s not going to be like this forever, anthropic is proving that. And btw yes, the whole industry is like that, booking is how most companies have always calculated revenue. This is nothing new.

davidn281

You’re comparing it for no reason lol. Bitcoin wasn’t created to fix or replace gold. It was made because governments can keep printing fiat and bailing out corporations while “the man” gets stuck with the bill. It wasn’t created for any other use case that *you’re* comparing to gold. Look up why Bitcoin was created. I’ll just keep buying from $2000 and $60,000 and $100,000 and one day when btc is $150,000-$500,000 I’ll just keep buying and you can keep saying gold has more utility lol. Doesn’t matter to me. I own gold too. And s&p500 and QQQ, etc.

Antonio_928s4

I already have .06 BTC. I’m not buying more dips. I’m waiting for Bitcoin to reach $100K to sell it all. I’m switching to QQQ, SPY & VTI instead.

New_Manner_1826

If earning money now on your money is priority there is lots of possibilities within strong companies within strong sectors : XAUUSD, DFI, ITA, HG1!, HACK, TTF1!, SMH. The US and Canada market have today and the prior 3 months abundance of companies performing stronger than the big index : SP500 or QQQ. Make a short (10 names) selective watchlist of the absolute strongest. Read up on risk management.

Objective-Bus-9853

If you just bought QQQ you would be up more than 100% lol

kljsandjb

If the big stock market crash happens, I'd rather shift my attention back to the feared market instead of half dead crypto lol, don't think BTC can outperform QQQ or even SMH in long run from now

Hitachi22

QQQ up 20% YTD, BTC down 25%. Risk/reward is not worth it anymore 

Big-Finding2976

You could have got 13x if you bought ZEC a year ago. SPY has done 22% in that time. QQQ 28%.

LeMAD

This is the final straw for me. QQQ +7.25% over 5 days, BTC -0.94% over the same period. Crypto is officially dead. It has been fucking garbage in the most incredible bull market in history. There's no runway left. Any sign of the beginning of a bear market will send Bitcoin below $10K.

f08g

QQQ up every fucking day and we just chop 

pond_slider

Bitcoin isn’t worth the stress anymore, just buy QQQ/VOO

Capable_Ebb_64

BTC and gold don’t act anything alike. Go back and look at the first 6 months of this year when there were commodity shocks from the war in Ukraine and China shutdown. Gold was basically flat for the first 6 months while BTC was down 60%. BTC behaves like a volatile tech stock (QQQ was down 30% over the same period) and not at all like gold.

One_Landscape541

Just fyi Invesco owns powershares and invescoshare aetfs, think QQQ, if you’re hoping for a big boy erf firm to get involved blackrock and invesco are huge etf players.

polkmydot

I recommended this during the bull run and people were saying I was trying to shill SPY and QQQ…

Bothan_Spy

Then sell and take the L as a lesson learned. Literally all alts are down 90%. Buy ETH and BTC if that volatility stinks for you. Or just buy SPY or QQQ and walk away. Buy alts when they are 90% down and then hold them. Don't listen to crypto twitter telling you to buy before it's too late, or anyone who uses the phrase "few know" or say "shitfucksandwhichdoge will make millionaires", don't listen to the hopium on coin specific subs, just DCA and walk away until BTC or ETH pushes new ATHs

Cranky_Crypto

You are absolutely correct, sir! I trade stocks primarily, so I have my finger on the pulse of both markets. The Nasdaq ($QQQ) gave signals that we were bottoming in early July. Been a freight train since. Thanks for sharing and all the best :)

SoftPenguins

You’re in the wrong asset class if you’re looking for a safe investment. Try bonds or commodities or if you’re feeling risky an exchange traded fund like SPY or QQQ.

OKahnloc

Yeah and if you invested in SPY or QQQ or whatever like so many other celebrities have said in ads during Mad Money with Jim Cramer or some other stooge you’d be down by possibly half as well.

tronsom

Since you obviously have no clue, but think you do, I advice you read some charts (BTC, SPX, QQQ) during previous bear markets. There have been a lot of very strong rallies during those periods which will make you believe we are heading to the moon. I'm not here to tell you we are or are not in a bear or bull market. I'm here to tell you don't believe what you want to believe AND come here and state it like a fact. It makes a fool.

Olskoolah

And we dropped as the whole day the QQQ was open. Only reason we gained was bc of the premarket pump last night

Nuzlbuny

Two days in a row now that we have been green while QQQ is red. I have a theory that the jobs report being good is a benefit to Crypto but hurts stocks. This makes is more likely the fed keeps raising rates which impacts the bottom line of companies which borrow money/likes of credit or have customers who finance which really applies to every large business. Crypto is not impacted by any of those factors and infact can make some of the Defi more attractive. Or I might be full of shit and don't know fuck all. Not sure but nice to see green when stocks are red.

Jocogui

I find myself paying more attention to QQQ or S&P this days than to crypto/btc.

Cranky_Crypto

Did you read my mind? I was just comparing and analyzing $BTC vs $QQQ charts. 7 consecutive red candles vs. 7 consecutive green candles. Stocks been pushing with much higher momentum than Bitcoin. Relative weakness isn't great for when the market does a pullback/retracement.

Cranky_Crypto

I also follow the stock market--specifically the NASDAQ--as the benchmark for institutional appetite for risk. Though similar, the chart is cleaner to read than Bitcoin's. Clues: \-Nasdaq [QQQ ETF bottoming action](https://i.imgur.com/kyaTBF4.png) and change in trend structure \-Bitcoin $19k support being defended multiple times to put brakes on the downtrend \-ETH and Alts leading the rally from the lows (riskier assets had relative strength) Here's a [post I made on July 19](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/w2yw2z/the_anatomy_of_a_trend_part_ii_how_a_downtrend/) when I believed that crypto was attempting to push higher. The day-to-day price action also pointed to sustained uptrends which meant big money was buying. Hopefully that helps. Best of luck :)

Whale31777

Obviously BTC follows Dow Jones, QQQ etc. They all hit their low in June - but have since recovered a little bit. If you compare their trajectory - it just seems to be an inverse of crude oil prices. So essentially, the price of BTC is an inverse of the price of crude oil.

Environmental-Bowl43

Its simply because the crypto market follows the stock market, if you dont believe me, just look at BTC and compare it to the QQQ, or any etf. The markets are pumping right now, so crypto is following. Now the question as to why? well realistically it shouldn't be, but lets look at the positives. GDP was negative this quarter, but still much better than the negative GDP in Q1, also we have been falling for 8 months, so its not improbable to say that we are pumping, because this shows that the economy is improving. Also Amazon and Apple yesterday smashed their earnings and today Tesla goes BRRRR.

Jocogui

Or it could be whales liquidating shorters. Also big companies showed nice reports this week, nasdaq liked the numbers & btc uses to follow QQQ's direction.

chris_ut

Crypto just moves with tech stocks. You would be better to buy $QQQ.

Cranky_Crypto

0.75% rate hike was priced in. What you saw today was a relief rally since the Fed didn't surprise the market with 1.0%. The overnight gap on $SPY/$QQQ told you that institutions put on risk going into FOMC statement. That was a big clue. Don't listen to this sub for how the market is supposed to work. Most here are crypto investors who moonlight as financial analysts. Still trying to make sense of the hot inflation number that was suppose to tank the market a few weeks back.

stargunner

mm idk about that. my targets this week are QQQ 292 and SPY 390.

CommitteeSalt8099

Pay for my higher education and pursue An LLM at a top university, stash all my money in QQQ and buy a few houses to rent out, nothing fancy for myself

ProcessMeMrHinkie

Here are the indicators for free that are likely more beneficial then this silliness: * Previous session high low * Today's high low * QQQ, VIX, ES/SPY/SPX * XLF, XLE * AAPL, AMZN, MSFT, NVDA, TSLA, GOOG * 8 EMA, 21 EMA, 34 EMA Outside of those, learn to create resistance and support levels via charting. And use other fun custom tools like bookmap to show where orders are concentrated.

Arzharkhel

If you're only willing to do small sums IMO it's better to just DCA into an index fund like VOO, VTI, QQQ, etc. If you keep doing that over 20+ years you're going to have a nice nest egg for your retirement.

marsangelo

Atleast the edit made it sound somewhat logic-driven haha. Some crypto folks are just the voracious type but not me. Probably gonna take a break for a bit maybe switch back to SCHD, VOO, QQQ

GreymanB4

Because bitcoin has never been a hedge against inflation, thats echo chamber nonsense. Bitcoin and QE are highly correlated. When the fed pivots then Bitcoin will rally. At this point bitcoin should just be another stock in QQQ.

toungepuncher6000

The Market is already pricing in a serious rate hike ahead which will continue to strengthen the dollar compared to all global currencies. Look at the DXY Chart, the dollars strength is at an ATH since 2000 from these rate hikes thus far. People are getting their hands on dollars right now, we need to see the dollar become weaker again/ combined with asset prices marching higher, If BTC continues to trade like the QQQ. If the inflation is a run away train, and they tried to print our way out of inflation. OR artifically weaken the dollar with anything. Even a plaza accord 2.0. Buy as much BTC as humanly possible.

nybhh

I’d personally recommend 25% crypto, 25% SPY, 25% QQQ and 25% cash. I think you’ll be happier in the long run and quite possibly have more money do to much lower total account drawdowns.

Cranky_Crypto

That's a very informative piece. I can tell that you enjoy analyzing data and making sense of the markets. Personally, I focus on the *what* rather than the *why*. The *what* (price action) helps me determine when to buy, add, sell, or trim positions. It makes life much more simple :) One key difference is that I am referring to *institutional money*. They are heavily involved in crypto now compared to past cycles. Only they have the resources to move markets in any meaningful way. Retail has very little impact on asset prices (<20% volume for stocks). It's the big players who dictate macro trends, sector rotations, etc. The entirety of that $817B is a drop in the bucket in the context of global financial markets. [Take a look at the ETF $ARKK](https://i.imgur.com/Mr1KR3U.png). It was the benchmark for high-beta, risk-on stocks. The ATH was reached back in Feb 2021. Institutional money left and it was dead in the water until Nov 2021 (consolidating). In the **very same week** as $BTC ATH, the downtrend in $ARKK resumed. That's coordinated selling by the market as an aggregate. Not all sectors, indexes, assets have to peak and trough at identical moments in time. Institutions rotate into what's hot and bail on what's not. As you know, $SPY and $QQQ continued on for another month and made new ATH on Jan 4, 2022. Then this whole inflation/war/interest rate/recession narrative came into the picture and all markets have gone to shit, in unison. Have you seen [the bond markets lately](https://i.imgur.com/PE6vBJu.png)? It's suppose to be a safe-haven during uncertainty. But rising yields have tanked this asset class, too. Even energy names have peaked for the short-term. Unfortunately, there is nowhere for money to seek shelter in this environment. Markets have been risk-off all year and that explains the multiple Bear Markets. From a Technical Analysis perspective, downtrend until proven otherwise.

Cranky_Crypto

Where were those other traders to exploit my short of **$QQQ** (Nasdaq 100 ETF) at $296.50? [Has dropped $8 since](https://i.imgur.com/E19q4PZ.png). That's right, they got ran over by the institutions who sold at resistance (prior high). The market is random > 90% of the time. There exists certain windows (i.e. patterns) where the probability of one thing happening over another is higher. You seem to have your mind made up about, though. Best of luck!

cl4yf4c3

You actually do very similar to my long term investments. I like safe too actually. I am about 50% QQQ 40% AGG 8% DBC and about 2% BTC. I shifted out of QQQ and into DBC as the markets shifted. I'm still losing money like everyone else but this is a 20+ year basket for me. Like steering the titanic, lol.

hardcore_softie

I bought QQQ at $400 and now it's $280. Such a ponzi scheme!

BritishBoyRZ

Hasn't even begun? How so? S&P is only 8% above pre pandemic levels. That's 8% in 2 years, lower than the long term average. QQQ is only 17% above pre pandemic levels. That's ok. Nothing crazy. Tech companies made REAL profits and gains during the pandemic, so if anything 17% probably doesn't even reflect the actual value they generated. So, arguably, oversold. Outside of index funds companies across the board have fallen 50-90%. How is that not even beginning to pay the piper? Are you blind or have you just not looked?

Scullyx

Why would it stabilize at 20k when the recession hasn’t even been priced in yet and inflation hasn’t inflected down? There is no scenario where SPY and QQQ are in a worsening bear market and BTC is not lol

Fargo_Newb

Yes, if you bought that cascade of liquidations then you probably want to sell when about 15-20% up. This isn't over. Perhaps if it touches 22k that might be a sell point, but it mostly depends on what you see QQQ and the 10yr US bond doing next week.

jmx808

Unfortunately, crypto doesn't exist "outside" of the current system. I can't put my money in crypto to escape, and then still pay mortgage, pay bills, or do anything useful. During a recession, people will be using their capital for exactly those things, paying bills, and paying necessities. This strongly implies that money will flow away from crypto. This is using your logic, not even general economics which would already classify crypto as highly speculative and vulnerable to liquidity issues and thus the first asset class to pop during a recession (see QQQ/ARKK for other examples).

therealdivs1210

Are you being serious? I'm not even talking about BTC, I'm talking about an investing strategy. The underlying asset can be gold, SPY, QQQ, BTC, or whatever you want to invest in.

Inevitable-0246

Continue to DCA and hold. Outlook of the near term macro environment is not great, every asset class has fallen except commodities and cash. E.g. BND down 12%, QQQ down 30%, TSLA down 45%,and cash is also being eroded with the high inflation. BTC being newer asset type being more volatile swings down more in such environment. But I take the same approach for other asset classes too in such headwind, just continue to DCA and hold. Also, the importance of self-custody for BTC should hopefully be better appreciated by more people who used to discount the risk associated with handing custody to a third party for yield (with lenders) or supposed _better security_ (with exchanges).

Acceptable_Bench9104

a lot of new investors that just had 1 or 2 years experience in investing when for high growth stocks like TSLA PLTR and crypto... now most of them are sitting on huge paper losses... some have already given up and sold everything... we can feel the anger and frustration in this crowd... i guess they can only see this as a lesson and school fees being paid I hope the new investors will grow stronger from this but some will never touch stocks/crypto again the experience investors don't really care about the crash they just continue to DCA into SPY/QQQ or big tech FAAMG stocks

coffeedrinkinfool

It's funny. Gold has been dropping while the hawkishness increases. Bitcoin dropped more. Reference BTC/XAU or simply XAU/USD and BTC/USD separately. I don't think it means that either one failed. Because hawkishness is the CB's actually trying to fight inflation. They're doing a piss poor job,and in no way will it work. But that's the impression the market is getting. Traders treat Bitcoin like the QQQ and then act surprised when the fiat exchange price goes down with the rest of the market. And then they say, hey look, it has no intrinsic value. And we're just over here creatively destroying remittance companies and banks. THE PRICE IS WRONG, BITCH!!!

jeff98452

I agree IF you’re talking about QQQ or SPY. Crypto is still pure gambling.

realsapist

With this kind of selling pressure... $16-17k btc, $700 ETH next. BTC hasn't needed to drop to its 50% retracement after its big run ups SO FAR. but we're so close to one that it might as well go there now. ETH respected 50% retracement as great support last time. https://imgur.com/mjYtsF0 $QQQ is only like $10 away from retesting its 50% as well. https://imgur.com/0AhEEGg

Lee911123

Other equities haven’t been performing well at all this year, SPY DJI QQQ all have been dropping pretty hard this month, and on chain data also tells us that whales are still accumulating while the smaller wallets are just cashing out off the space.

Quantx2792

It 'crash' is cyclical and so has NASDQ/SPX/SPY/QQQ. No risk assets have escaped this macro environment and commodities don't keep pace long-term and neither do rare metals. Try again.

MaximumStudent1839

Crypto's investment nature is defined by the type of investors it attracts. It won't be an inflation hedge for years to come, because a significant segment of crypto "investors" are just fiat gamblers. They aren't investing to hide from inflation. They are "investing" to get fiat-rich quickly. When they are in fiat-profit and inflation is super-high, they will sell BTC and convert it into fiat. That is not an inflation hedging strategy. If you look at gold investors, they hide in gold until they see signs of inflation going down. That is an inflation hedging strategy. These moonshot investors have now defined the BTC price history. Institutions use algorithms to trade and these algorithms look at price history to determine how to trade an asset. Effectively, these moonshot investors have now told institutions to not trade BTC as an inflation hedge, but as a leveraged QQQ because these moonshot investors are also heavy in highly speculative tech, like Tesla. Do you know why Musk is a public figurehead for crypto? It is partly because his retail stock "investors" has a very similar trading profile as many retail investors in crypto. Moonboys fucked us for good....

KidCancun007

I think side work for investment cash is a solid idea. Don't try to time the bottom like a lot of these bozos say. If they knew what the future held they would be rich and not posting on WSB. Dollar cost avg into crypto while it falls should pay off in the long run if u plan to hold long term. That said I'd also DCA into QQQ, VTV, and SPY at this point in time.

Imnotfckingselling

You are insane if you believe that… We have seen time and time again that BTC is a risk-on assets that is correlated to movement of the QQQ and SPY index. When times get tough people hold on to their money tight and not invest in risky “assets”. Don’t fool yourself and be realistic… Dark times are before us

UAPMystery

that seems reasonable my only suggestion which will be unpopular is to increase stocks but only focus on SPY from a 20-50% drop dollar cost averaging on the way down.... and QQQ from a 30-80% drop dollar cost averaging on the way down a balance of about 50% cash / 25% real estate / 20% SPY/QQQ and 5% crypto is better imo

lenn782

Because nobody knows if this is the fake pump before the dump. When we know I’m sure btc will follow accordingly. QQQ at least gotta go back to may 4 levels before it starts getting bullish.

Smart_Field_3002

Thanks so much for the info. I’m waiting for more buying opportunities on my favorite ETFs VOO, QQQ, and SCHD as if my paperloss in crypto isn’t enough 😂

WallStreetBoners

Except GBTC is outperforming QQQ. I’m using GBTC because it’s open the same hours as qqq

enterdoki

Basically another QQQ at this point.

Schlongzz

A sub 20k bitcoin is very, very much on the table. If the equities markets swell off there’s currently a zero percent chance bitcoin doesn’t follow suit. Zero percent. The SPY and QQQ could shed another 20+ percent dragging the entire crypto market with. Easily.

baseballctr31

Except you ignore that it also dumps with much more force on days that QQQ dumps....

baseballctr31

BTC down and sitting sub 30K on a +2% QQQ day and people still bullish lmao

delsombra

No, doubt it's Do Kwon selling at that particular moment (tho, he definitely is). If you look at the Nasdaq, SPY, or QQQ, all the charts are similar looking.

norwegianmorningw00d

My core holdings is SPY My cash flow holdings are the YLDs, JEPI, SCHD My growth holdings are QQQ, EEM (hedge actually), SMH, ICLN And the rest of my portfolio is small cap growth stocks

crimpeline

If you are using a platform which doesn't charge any fee to hold then index ETFs like QQQ (NASDAQ), SPY (S&P500) or DIA (DJ30) are far safer for long term HODL than any crypto, even BTC. Basically if you hold you are guaranteed to go green at some point. Obviously there is inflation and opportunity cost etc. But funds are safu.

Arcc14

Ya big time if 25k was the bottom now could be the start of the melt yer face candles; which is why people FOMO so much in times like this... they know that the pump up is quick and not to be missed so they buy the relief rallies and get bull trapped. I think this will be a sustained relief rally with higher supports until new macro conditions develop or showcase that the markets aren’t strong and then crypto going down with QQQ

TheMeta40k

Ok. A good starting place is stocks in the form of index funds like SPY and QQQ. Investing is a long term strategy. Then maybe read up on BTC and ETH and make your call from there. Anything smaller is a gamble by comparison but you may find things you like and believe will have more value in the future. Best of luck.

WestmontOG07

They won’t buy bitcoin, they’re better off buying etf index funds (VOO or SPY). Bitcoin, literally, mirrors the QQQ. It’s not special, it’s an investment tool for people to make or lose money on. If the market continues its downward trend, bitcoin is going to get smashed. I would be surprised if it goes all the way back down to $5,000. (Lol, remember when people people, moronically, that it was going to $100k by YE 2021?) Bottom line is that bitcoin, nor any of the other 12,000 coins are special. They’re worth something as long as a sucker is willing to pay more. It’s inconvenient to hear it but it’s the truth nonetheless. Buy etf index funds, it will serve you better long term.

Arctinius

You’re missing my point. Bitcoin is immensely more volatile. In 2021, bitcoin had a realized annualized volatility of 87%. For comparison, SPY was 13%, QQQ was 18.2%, and to make your growth comparison fair, VUG was 17.2% and VBK was 20.8%. It’s clear that these investments are in entirely separate leagues or risk from bitcoin. It’s equally misleading to say that tons of money that can’t afford to be lost is equally bad if it’s in stocks or crypto. Over the past 4 months (starting January 13th) Bitcoin lost 31.07% of its value. For comparison, VUG is down 20.9% and VBK is down 19.8%. Not only is your point about growth investors being down more misleading, but it’s factually incorrect too. The only world in which you’re correct is if you’re cherry-picking individual growth stocks and claiming that’s somehow equivalent to “growth stocks.” Investing in cryptocurrency is far, far riskier. Nobody should invest money they can’t afford to lose, but it’s pretty clear which is the lesser of two evils.

Arctinius

You’re missing my point. Bitcoin is immensely more volatile. In 2021, bitcoin had a realized annual volatility of 87%. For comparison, SPY was 13%, QQQ was 18.2%, and to make your tech comparison fair, VBK, Vanguard small cap growth was 20.8%. It’s fact that these investments are in entirely separate leagues or risk. It’s equally misleading to say that tons of money that can’t afford to be lost is equally bad if it’s in stocks or crypto. Over the past 4 months (starting January 13th) Bitcoin lost 31.07% of its value. For comparison, VBK is down 19.8% and VUG is down 20.9%. Not only is your point about tech investors being down more misleading, but it’s factually incorrect too. The only world in which you’re correct is if you’re cherry-picking individual growth stocks and claiming that’s somehow equivalent to “growth stocks.” Investing in cryptocurrency is far, far riskier. Nobody should invest money they can’t afford to lose, but it’s pretty clear which is the lesser of two evils.

CaptainMonkeyJack

>An emergency fund is a barrier to investing if you needing to have one prevents you from investing. You seem to have this backwards. An emergency fund isn't a 'barrier' to investing, it's an important step \*in\* investing. > Investing in Enron and investing Microsoft or Apple are two completely different things. Which is easy to say in hindsight. How can you *today* know which corps are going to fail *tomorrow*? > If you afraid to be over-exposed to one company, invest i an INDEX FUND. This is the first somewhat sensible thing you've said. > If you invested in the QQQ 5 years ago, YOU WOULD STILL BE UP OVER 100%! Not necessarily. If I had invested $10,000 in QQQ 5 years ago but did not have an emergency fund, I'd probably be tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars poorer today. The problem with your reasoning, is you are not factoring in the real-life events that make emergency funds a good idea.

Interesting_Survey28

An emergency fund is a barrier to investing if you needing to have one prevents you from investing. Investing in Enron and investing Microsoft or Apple are two completely different things. Please do not try to equate the two. If you afraid to be over-exposed to one company, invest i an INDEX FUND. If you invested in the QQQ 5 years ago, YOU WOULD STILL BE UP OVER 100%! How about YOU get educated? Don't be a pretentious ass.

Boss1010

QQQ down 80%? Lol