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Invesco S&P International Developed Momentum ETF
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Look if you’re playing the long game and want to build some serious sustainable wealth, here’s how I’d tweak that portfolio to keep it steady. Pump up the VT The Core: You gotta beef up your VT to about 60% or 70%. Think of VT as your foundation it’s the 'set it and forget it' part of your portfolio that’s gonna keep you from crashing and burning when things get shaky. Trim the Silver: Honestly? 14% in PSLV is a lot. Silver is cool and all but it doesn't pay dividends. I’d cut that down to maybe 5%. You’re 18 you want your money working for you in assets that actually grow not just sit there looking shiny. Cap the SMH: Keep the SMH for sure. Semiconductors are the future. But 20% is the absolute ceiling. Don't go chasing the hype any higher than that or you’re basically gambling not investing. * **VT:** 65% * **SMH:** 15% * **IDMO/VWO:** 各 7.5% * **PSLV:** 5%
SPMO Doubles return of IDMO since inception(2015) and lower downdraw. SLV beats PSLV \~15%. Not a fan of International, but it's running now. 20% semis? Not much Tech except for whats in VT & SMH, maybe XLK or FNGS for Semis & Tech. GL...
This is actually far better than most. 50% VT is a great base and you have other international equities. 14% in silver is a little performance chasing, and 20% in SMH is a heavy sector bet. But the rest is solid. I’d say if you believe in the momentum SPMO is a good momentum for US. Something like this 55% VT 15% SPMO 10% IDMO 5% VWO 10% SMH 5% PSLV I personally wouldn’t have the smh and pslv because I’m not a sector/commodities person, but I didn’t completed remove them. I’m a fan of factors so I kept the added to that.
Im doing one profile of my portfolio with individual tech stocks and another with VTI(60%)+IDMO(20%)+spmo(10%)+avdv(10%) .This entire thing comes to about 25% of my overall portfolio. My 75% portfolio is in my home country's equity market and fixed deposits( which nets an annual 7% ). What do you think about that?
I also have a much simpler go to strategy as well. 25% VONG, 25% VIG, 25% XMMO, and 25% IDMO. These give exposure to growth, dividend growth, mid/small cap, and International ETFs.
I recommend S&P 500, paired with a foreign equity funds like FENI, FIVA, or IDMO; and FNDE for emerging market. Foreign equity has done well this year, and if you select the right fund it’s worth having, I do not subscribe to the notion of an all world or all foreign equity fund like VXUS, it lacks strategy. Foreign equity needs some process, methodology, and thought behind it.
Hey man, I saw you a lot around here and your advice is pretty easy for a beginner like me to understand. Mind if I ask you a question? Right now, I’m in a similar position. I only hold SPYM but want to add more international diversification. If I plan to hold long term, what do you think of IDMO + AVDV. I feel like this cover both ends of developing markets. But I’m also willing to switch out IDMO for AVDE, IDEV or FENI. I also plan to add some forms of EM like AVEM, AVES or FRDM. Personally, what do you think about these funds? I plan to do 20% for DM and 10% for EM.
how are we all feeling about IDMO vs IDEV now?
Thought's on the following overall breakout? Want to stay generally broad but thinking of doing a bit of a tilt towards US as well as large cap momentum & small cap value. Timeline is 30+ Years - In my low 20s and will be maxing out Roth & 401k (plus some funds going into brokerage) for the foreseeable future) US (80% of total): 64% US total market (VIIX + VIEIX in my 401k mimics VTI weight) 12% SPMO 4% AVUV Ex-US (20% of total): 10% International total market (VTSNX in my 401k) 5% IDMO 5% AVDV
Not exactly a 1:1 comparison. IDMO only holds 195 stocks while VXUS holds 9,900 “Better” is only defined by your goals. If the goal is to capitalize on concentrated momentum bets, then IDMO is the pick. If the goal is to invest in a lower-risk and well-diversified global ETF that includes emerging markets like China, VXUS is better. IDMO expense ratio is 0.25% compared to VXUS 0.08% IDMO returns are historically higher, but that’s expected for a concentrated growth ETF.
IDMO is a better option for international
So I do 40% of my total port across all 3 to fill my "International." However, CGDG is *up to* 50% Ex- US (currently 47% I believe), so it's not really 40% Ex-US. I try not to overthink it, so I'm just doing 15% IDMO, 15% IDVO, and 10% CGDG. IDVO just has more history than CGDG, but I might rebalance later.
Yes, I love IDMO! I'm going to add AVDE, too. I also have IDVO. Yes, it's technically a covered call fund, but really, it's a dividend growth fund with a splash of strategic calls.
Yeah too many people are caught up in recency bias since we're about 20 years of an epic bull run in the states. I like a combo of IDMO, IDVO and CGDG for international exposure. VXUS isnt great because there are too many losers in just the total ex-US market.
There are other periods of time where Ex-US outperformed it's just that the average redditor is way too young to know about it. That's why the traditional advice is to allocate 20-40% of the equities portion of your portfolio to international/ex-US funds. One caveat is that funds like VXUS are trash because they just take everything in the global market regardless of the metrics. With international, it's best to get some type of factor fund like IDMO or managed funds like IDVO and CGDG. You do need an expert to sift through all the bad companies in other markets.
About the same as IDMO yea. Personally I don’t invest in small caps but to each their own. It definitely has its periods of out performance, however volatile.
IDMO & AVDE have done me very well this year for sure 1YR total return: IDMO +33.21% AVDE +24.15% SPTM +18.2% (reference) https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/compare/sptm-vs-idmo-vs-avde/
You can mitigate USD decline by investing in international equities, ytd they are trouncing their us equities counterparts eg AVDV (up 35%) vs AVUV (4%), IDMO (32%) vs SPMO (25%), FDD (44%) vs VTV (9%) etc. Or simply buy GDX or SIL to profit from the consequent stagflation from USD depreciation. Yesterday I just watched on youtube a daytrader show the 17yr trendline in DXY is on the verge of being broken which could lead to a further 25% decline & he's worried this heralds the end of American exceptionalism including the stock markets. Needs a truly exceptional president to do that.
ICOP for Copper Mining. IDMO, FIVA, FENI, FNDE for foreign equity. FBTC for Bitcoin. I’d mention my US holdings too but it’s pretty standard stuff. Never stop buying.
Our household income iS mainly in the 15% tax bracket. Some years it goes into 22%. Our Roth IRAs hold mainly SPMO/IDMO and AVUV/AVDV. Taxable is mainly VTI, SCHG, SPLG. We’re holding 10% of the household portfolio in AVDE in our taxable, but realize we’re not catching all international markets. Do you have any recommendations for this strategy? Or just leave as-is?
This victory shares etf looks bad. AVDV is way stronger on the value tilt exposure end and IDMO is way better performing on the momentum end
Probably want companies that are on the cutting edge on technological solutions, which can be risky under certain conditions, .. but a mostly U.S. based growth fund/ETF is the way to start (QQQM) with a smidge of non-US tech. Tech tends to be interest rate dependent, so there may be periods where it’s flat. Still QQQ products have great 10 year returns including rolling averages. Maybe add some international via IDMO to catch some non-US high fliers. There’s ESG (environmental, societal, governance) funds-ETFs, .. but the process has been co-opted. An oil giant with a great HR department can be in those, while a solar company may not make the cut. Thing is 10% of the wealthiest own 90% of the stock market, so think while one can have a basic screen (like limiting fossil fuels by owning techy-growth funds), .. it’s ultimately not going to matter. If small fry, you’re just along for the ride.
Yeah, Howard Marks says to stay away from the S&P 500 for the next decade. Tom Lee says we’re going to have a bill market for the next ten years. I’m more on Tom Lee’s side on this one, despite the overvaluations. He says the forward p/e on international growth stocks is far worse than US growth stocks even at current valuations. Personally, if I believed in Howard Marks my portfolio would be 25% SPMO 25% IDMO 25% AVUV 25% AVDV. Basically the Paul Merriman portfolio but with momentum for large cap.
At 24 I’m doing: Tax Deferred: 4500-5000 equities 40% SPTM | 40% SCHG | 20% AVDE Roth: 400 equities 40% SPMO | 40% XMMO | 20% IDMO
I do a multi-factor portfolio with a mix of momentum, quality, tech and size/value. SPHQ, SPMO, XMMO, IDMO, IGV, SMH, AVMV, AVUV, AVDV, LVHI, even split between funds. 20% quality, 30% size/value, 20% tech, 30% momentum. 70% US 30% international. 60% large cap, 20% mid cap, 20% small cap.
I’ve seen far worse ER than 0.25%, and besides IDMO has significantly outperformed VXUS since its inception in 2012. Supposed you could pay $1 and get $100 back, or pay $5 and get $150 back, are you really gonna say no to the bigger reward? IDMO is well managed fund, worth the higher ER.
I disagree. IDMO is 5x the expense fee of VXUS, and who knows if it will outperform in a different market environment that does not favor the U.S. How can use performance in the last few decades of U.S. economic dominance to project a future period where that is not the case? Also, when you diversify, the thinking is your outperformance will be from the market/sector not the individual stock picking. It’s a hedge against the rest of my portfolio being so U.S.-centric, not another place to take on risk.
I mainly do 3 fund portfolios 40/40/20 One is SPTM/SCHG/AVDE One is SPMO/XMMO/IDMO One is CWB/JAAA/BIL
It absolutely makes sense to include non-US equity in a portfolio, you gotta diversify because you should never assume S&P always wins. My bigger gripe with VXUS is it holds every possible foreign stock, versus hand-selecting stocks with potential value and growth. I always recommend IDMO, FENI, or FIVA as they practice a methodology for stock selection and the performance shows it too.
IDMO is developed markets only, no emerging. Emerging markets can bring a risk premium (higher expected long term returns) when compared to developed.
IDMO is the best performing international ETF. I also like FENI and FIVA. All three of them have outperformed the popular VXUS.
God, this is all confusing I want something with high growth, but SPMO and schg are momentum and growth respectively, which gets hit harder with slowdowns as you said I calculated my expected new salary since in getting a new position and I should be able to max out contributions to my Roth Would VOO (or VOOG) + IDMO be able to account for both growth + diversification + account for recent less than stellar jobs report and other economic factors that aren't looking good?
I have it in my wife’s Roth since March 2024, DCA every week, up about 30%. I intend to keep it long term. Her Roth is the aggressive account, it also includes FBTC and IDMO.
Fair enough. This assumes you already hold a US specific ETF like a VOO or VTI, leaving only the VXUS part of VT out. I would compare VXUS against a three fund portfolio of SCHY, VYMI, and IDMO. A lot of people seem to dislike how ex-US VT is and tend to have 80% in VOO/VTI and 20% in VXUS/VEA. I was hoping to show an alternative to that. I think that my alternative is pretty performant while minimizing drawdowns. Again, I want to show people that there are options out there that are well worth a couple extra basis points in expense ratio and will more than pay for themselves.
I like IDMO but a lot of people also use se VXUS
Weren't you the one that brought up the 1950s. You are the one bringing up the past. I'm about 15% international myself. I don't own vxus. I have vymi and Shld. Shld etf is 45% international. And i think IDMO and IDVO both look interesting. I do not hate international. Get it through your head. Im not saying US will outperform every year. I never said the US outperformed every country. I was talking about stop fear mongering about the lost decade for US stocks when international was almost 2 decades lost. VGTSX international fund also fell during the dotcom. It was -15% in 2000, -20% in 2001, -15% in 2002, and -44% in 2007. But, people act like that didn't happen. Spy was -9% in 2000, -11% in 2001, -21% in 2002, and -36% in 2008.
If you wanna be more aggressive, get SPMO for US equity and IDMO for international equity. The momentum tilt spices things up. Consider some FBTC. Bitcoin appears to be here to stay, like it or not, so if you buy in a Roth I recommend Fidelity’s offering. They actually hold their own BitCoin and don’t rely on a third party for it. Other considerations would be AVUV for small cap value. This ETF is something of a unicorn, they manage to get good results from otherwise overlooked small stocks. It’s been beaten down this year, which means it’s a buy opportunity. In addition to international broad indexes, I also hold FLIN for India equity. I genuinely believe in continued growth in India, and most indexes seem to be underweight for that country. If there are other regions you feel strongly about, check out other regional offerings from Franklin Templeton. Any commodities you feel strongly about? You could buy IAUM for gold, or ICOP for Copper Mining. Feel bullish on semiconductors? Check out SMH or SOXX.
VEA and VEU are solid choices with low fees and good growth/total returns vs international equity peers. IDMO is a large cap momentum fund that splits evenly between value, blend, and growth that’s also worth a look. IQLT is a quality factor fund that leans growth.
Your math is spot on. But I will say that IDMO has an average inflation adjusted return [2% higher than VXUS] since its inception in 2012. That more than makes up for the extra MER.
Mine returned IDMO vs. VWO. I think it's just trying to make sure you have international mixed in, and VWO is technically "growth". The DAX has been CRUSHING it this year. I wouldn't normally invest in an ARK etf, but that Q one has some decent picks that I already hold. I just won't fuck with TSLA.
IDMO outperformed VXUS in up and down markets in the last 3 years.
If you want to be more aggressive with international, you can look into IDMO (developed momentum) + AVEM (emerging markets) or AVDE/AVNM (value + profitability tilts).
IDMO's expense ratio is much higher (25bps vs 5bps). 10yr total performance (price & divs) is higher for IDMO (though *not* twice), though bear in mind that future performance may not be higher.
Sorry I should've been clearer that my example was a hypothetical to illustrate the impact MER can have long term. Specific to VXUS and IDMO, as I mentioned in another comment it's something of a challenge to try and draw direct comparisons between the two. Personally when I want growth I just invest in the sectors I am knowledgeable in through stocks & ETFs and generate growth that way. Broad ETFs are how I preserve some of those earnings long term
At a quick glance it seems like a good fund. It looks like it's a bit more centred around Japan than VXUS, but their performance graphs over the last year look nearly identical, their dividends are very similar to VXUS, the sector distribution is more balanced than IDMO, and the MER is lower than VXUS'. Personally I like to get a few funds and sort of drip into all of them over time, so this might be a fun one to add to the mix
I think I’ve come to the conclusion that IDMO might be a little too volatile for my liking, not to mention it’s only 200 companies. However, VXUS’s 7500 holdings seems too high for my liking. What are your thoughts on IDEV, a nice middle ground? I realize this excludes emerging markets. However, I’m someone who’s been on the fence about international for a while now, so I figure this is at least better than nothing.
. No reason besides it will hurt some feelings investing in a fund that doesn’t start with the letter “V”. IDMO has trounced VXUS returns.
IDMO and VXUS are not apples to apples comparisons. the last 10 years doesn't necessarily predict the next 10 years.
I went predominately cash about a month ago and am fine with the decision. My accounts are still up about 9% for the year because I dumped what cash I already had into the markets mid April and that went into IDMO. June and July are usually pretty quiet anyway. I've never tried to time the market before like this but so far I'm still ahead compared to most. I think these moderate Republicans are going to make a show of this tax bill. Trump won't be signing it on July 4th
First thing that sticks out to me is that AUM is a lot smaller, if you are worried about liquidity if you want to exit your position under pressure. The 1Y beta is pretty high at 0.81 which isn't necessarily bad, but something to keep an eye on. VXUS, IDEV are far less volatile, but return less. They have much higher AUM at $493150M and $19861M compared to IDMO at $902M. Personally I have IDV on my shortlist, which performs similarly to IDMO, but less volatile, larger AUM, value category is the main difference; might want to check as an option. Since much of the markets are so interconnected, most follow the same sort of pattern at the same time. It's more a matter of finding the best performing ones with acceptable risk to you.
I don't think you're wrong, I think you're just taking a reductive view of the two funds. The calculus is not that straightforward. More notable differences between IDMO and VXUS: \- VXUS has holdings in more than 8000 stocks and funds. IDMO has 200 \- VXUS is more evenly distributed across sectors, while IDMO has a very strong emphasis on the financial/banking sector (46% financial stocks!) \- VXUS is more evenly distributed across markets, while IDMO is primarily invested in Germany, UK and Canada \- VXUS has approximately double the dividend yield of IDMO Personally if I'm after growth, I invest in individual stocks or narrow ETFs representative of sectors I believe will bring that growth. If I want stability, I'm looking at broad funds with low MER to preserve my capital. IDMO looks more tantalizing on a returns basis alone but again with even the surface level details I mentioned it becomes more challenging to to say how clear cut the advantage is, and if the heightened exposure is worth the trade off
Buying individual stocks can be stressful, doing it correctly means research and babysitting. The only stock I still hold years later is AAPL, but everything else is ETFs which helps me sleep better. Stick with the advice of almost entirely ETFs, and a small allocation to stocks so you can learn with small bets. As for ETFs, keep it simple. Since you’re young I suggest 50% S&P index like IVV or VOO, 30% IDMO for international, 10% FBTC (if you don’t like crypto then make S&P 60%, 10% individual stocks.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but fees don’t really matter when you’re doubling up your competition, right? If we are to assume the trajectories and trends of these funds are to remain the same, you’ll still make more with IDMO than VXUS, even after fees? Isn’t the net balance in the end all that matters?
IDMO has higher expense ratios and less diversification than VXUS. Past performance doesn't predict future returns. The extra fees will eat into your gains over time, especially for long term holding. VXUS + VOO is solid.
IDMO is a little more volatile, but no risk no reward. It’s been a really impressive international ETF the past 5 years. VXUS may be well diversified but the performance is a snore. Compare VXUS to IDMO, FENI, FIVA, and you’ll see how much better you can potentially do. I use FIVA in my Rollover IRA and I’m very happy with it.
IDMO’s like a meme stock with a PhD—risky flex.
IDMO is developed markets only. VXUS has both developed and emerging. Emerging may come with a risk premium compared to developed only. VXUS is broad coverage, IDMO uses momentum factor to help guide the holdings. Momentum can be a factor, but it may not be as strong as some others. >I’m basically looking for an international fund to complement my VOO. Does IDMO fit the bill? Or is that still not diversified enough? VXUS is more like VOO if only looking at IDMO vs VXUS. VEU may be even closer, as it also leaves out smaller companies like VOO does. IDMO is similar to SPMO, not VOO.
I own it and wouldn't disagree it's less diversified, but IDMO is an international, developed, ETF, MOMENTUM fund. It buys equities that are moving and likely to continue doing so. I own mid six figures and continue to buy. Past performance not being a reliable indicator can be said about anything. Nearly every int'l equity fund is outperforming today.
IDMO is the international-developed momentum fund like US based ones (MTUM being the best there), but costs more with more trading. It’s great when non-US stocks are in a bull market as the momentum is actually backwards looking, but when they fall they will fall faster too. So if using it, maybe as an adjunct and know if it’s the early vs late phase of that particular bull market. Maybe rebalance the momentum etf(s) more often as not to get caught?
I don't have the capacity to dig into the portfolios at the moment, but the standout detail is MER VXUS is 0.05%, IDMO is 0.25% For index funds, especially ones that will have similar performances, MER is a factor
A diversified portfolio is your friend. Nobody can predict the future. Past performance does not guarantee future results and yadda yadda. In fact my non-US equity funds are performing great in 2025. Yes, it is worth having foreign equity. Furthermore, don’t let the popular VXUS guide your decision. Check out IDMO and you’ll see how good foreign equity can perform.
I feel your disappointment. The Boglehead orthodox are still insisting, after the fact, that I should have been into VOO, VXUS , BND &/or AVUV over the last decade instead of SPMO, QQQ, SPLG, VGT and SMH. The situation now is in flux. Will you abandon international or retain it and dca into domestic growth? FYI: IDMO is far better than VXUS.
S&P500 is fine for US equities, but no I don’t agree with ONLY doing that. Try to put at minimum 25% allocation to a non-US equity diversified ETF. I don’t know the Canadian equivalents, but I always recommend IDMO, FENI, or FIVA. Might wanna consider a small allocation to a BitCoin ETF as well. I don’t like crypto but if think it’s here to stay.
Individual stocks are always higher risk versus ETFs or mutual funds. AAPL is the only individual stock I have anymore, but I’ve owned it for many years. CRSP has some serious potential, but I grew impatient and sold it. If NVDA or MSFT have another big dip, I might buy some, but it’s kinda silly since they already exist in most index funds. Happy to give you some favorite ETFs though. IDMO is a beast for international, and I’m fond of FIVA as well. I have a small position for ICOP. I genuinely believe copper and copper mining are a smart investment in the coming decades. FSELX is volatile but otherwise a great mutual fund for semiconductors. I contribute a little every week to FBTC. I don’t like cryptocurrency, but sadly I think it’s here to stay. I won’t deny it, it’s performed very well.
IDMO if you are disposed to do so.
The problem with the exhortations to go international is their default choice is VXUS. Off-had I can name a couole of funds that have consistently been better. IDMO definitely, and VEA.
SPMO. QQQM. VGT. If you want international check out IDMO, but i wouldn’t count on holding that interminably.
Everyone sleeps on SPMO. Also are nuts for VXUS for international, but IDMO is better IMO.
IDMO is a good idea. Compare it to other foreign ETFs.
Do you mind sharing what European stocks you're investing in? It's a different world over there that I don't know a lot about. I put a little bit in IDMO, but would love to know what others are doing?
That's what I''m doing right now: EUAD, EUFN, IDMO, IPKW Buy, set stop limit, watch the green foreign numbers offset the red American ones.
Stock prices will rise and fall based on information not yet known to us. There's no reason to expect the stocks in BKIE or IDMO to be blessed with more future good news than those in VXUS.
If you want to look at tickers off the beaten path with strong recent performance, SMH and IDMO. If you don't understand the risks with these, then I'd just stick with VOO as you originally planned.