MOAT

Wonderful-Savings768

Except that lower memory requirements for "good enough" LLMs mean most people will be able to run them locally on their laptops. Uncensored models, completely offline, and completely free. That means OpenAI, Gemini, Claude, etc. lose not only paying customers, but free users too. So they won't need more memory to run their servers, even if they improve their models substantially. Right now you can run an LLM locally with a PC that costs under $2000 and it will serve you just as well if not better than the subscription models. THERE IS NO MOAT.

Old_Imagination_2112

That’s why you buy huge MOAT stocks like Union Pacific, P and G, JNJ, KO. I wish they WOULD drop an insane level as I’d buy like a wolf getting steak.

banff_lover

PE is mostly irrelevant for a growth stock. Question is does it have a MOAT? Can it survive the ad competition from META, Alphabet, Amazon? Forward PE is based on assumption of forward growth which is unpredictable. Could it be a great buy? Sure but there are many better stocks with same growth profile.

BetDependent6260

this appears to be MOAT..Mother Of All Tacos

woysoro

Don’t focus only on the Numbers for this one mate. Research their product, their MOAT, their process, the market, read a lot, and then decide! Don’t stop only at the revenue of a company pre revenu. You Will regret it for sure

Aviation_Space_2003

I don't want tthe stock to blast off!!! Any time it it does... I've been selling calls... I expect this to be a solid performer for many years beating market returns... This company is very thorough in their engineeirng rigor... Their management GETS IT!! They are planing the long strategic game here. There Systems will be on EVERYTRHING that goes into space... They are caputuring market share all over the spectrum and doing a lot of R&D for new concepts that is being funded by large govt and business dollars.. They have a great MOAT!! As they say.

jeeeeezik

I mean realistically why can't apple just use a free open source AI models? Like they have great hardware, probably the best and they already have a MOAT of billions customers. Those tiny qwen models are amazing and can run on every recent iphone. Moreover, their chips are the single most impressive investment they have done the past decade, capable of outperforming tons of other phones for AI (no data centers needed)

TechTuna1200

The software has never been their MOAT to begin with. So AI won't change much

alexisteha

70% of their revenue is self-managed, on premise 30% SaaS. That on 1:1, on-premise:Cloud ability on self managed is a huge MOAT against Github, but it's also more regulated, private, government, pharma, healthcare, insurance, banking... that need auditing/identity/compliance. I think the market severely under estimates this moat. Especially when these type of companies don't want to share their Data but would keep their codebase inside Airgapped infrastructure where they can train their own models. The 30% SaaS revenue is a bit more risky. 30% of the buisness is cash. I like to break things down when they come down a lot, the way I see it is they have $7 per share in cash, $10 for Self managed and $5 for SAAS. $17 is not really at risk, up to you what you believe the multiple is, but that cashflow is about as safe as a utility company. The $5 SAAS business is the fastest growing but I believe that is where the multiple compression happened. Duo Agent platform has rolled out, lets see if it does anything... it's going to be slow. like 6-9 months to see if seat shift to usage works and at $29 in ARPU, the have a lot of ceiling to play with vs. other companies.

Cool_Business_5396

IBM is trash and MSFT losing their MOAT.

speedster_5

Any thoughts on saas companies with MOAT that are over sold.

BAM_Spice_Weasel

There's no MOAT and all of the apps are hemorrhaging users. Constant cat-fishing, scammers, and tiered subscription services leave most with a pretty poor experience. Look at the 5 year stock chart, then look at it for Bumble. . . The golden years for these companies are long over. At best this is a dumpster diving play

Aggravating_Sir_4709

PUTS need to be reserved for long-term bets against companies you feel like are overpriced massively and will correct because they lack a real MOAT. DUOL a perfect example when it was trading a lot higher. Now its a coin flip.

maeynor

It’s not as straightforward. CRM was worth close to 350bn at ATH. Now it’s worth half or 175bn. The market is saying given the shock of how easy it seems that a guy in a basement with Claude can make these things on his own (albeit much lower quality now) it opens the questions to a business with resources doing it and actually being a significant competitor. And it can seemingly happen in a weekend, does not take years. This means we need to revalue future earnings based on potential increased competition in the near term. And the MOAT is now surprisingly vulnerable

PastaFanatic

Is LUMN a good optics company to buy? There are many optics companies in this sector (GLW CIEN NOK LITE etc) so I'm not sure what their MOAT is

jrex035

Bro, I bought MU at $127 last year and sold at $113. It's currently $402. I bagheld ASTS and RKLB for ages only to sell both early in their hyperbolic phases. I bought OUST and held it for years while dcaing only to sell it right before it doubled in value last year. Seems to me that more than anything this market is contrarian, prices are more determined by what people don't expect to happen than anything else. Shitcos with no revenue? Sure they deserve $100b in market cap why not? Companies steadily building their MOAT with a PE of 15? You guessed it, shedding half their market cap in a matter of months because fk you that's why

AnnArchist

It's MOAT is completely gone.

uboatcommander159

That depends a lot on your particular strengths and weaknesses, sector knowledge, investment background, willingness to do research, time horizon, risk tolerance, etc. I need more info. Personally, I would open a ROTH asap and start by adding some top growth funds - set and forget. When thats maxed open a retire acct and fund it regularly right out of your check. If you want to invest in single stocks, start learning all you can about balance sheets. Consider the investment tied up for: Lg-Caps min 3-5 yrs, M-Caps 4-7 yrs, Sm-Caps 5-8 yrs and Micro 6-10 yrs to be able to make it through downturn without selling at bottom. Larger is typically less risky but less reward. Smaller is more risky but much easier to grow a small for greater reward. Smalls are tough but you can actually find a miss-pricing in that category. In a nutshell, ideally, you want a growing company in an early enduring sector that has relatively low debt. Look for great no hype leadership with a long history of success IN THAT INDUSTRY. Ideally founder led or high insider ownership. Look at Glassdoor scores etc for high employee satisfaction. Cash on hand to manage growth as well as downturns. I like multi rev stream and some regional diversity and insulation. Look for a company with a nice advantage or MOAT that is scalable in a decent sized market. Try to make sure they dont have any legal issues and they are regulatory compliant - you dont want headline news or class-actions to crush your company. Do not get into a stock at the top that is heavily posted on social media - you have missed the big gains and simply playing musical chairs. Try to determine if the SP is reasonable - cheap is not always good, many are value traps. Avoid using PE on newer growth stocks - best to figure out how to determine P/S or how many times SP is compared to annual rev. Much of this depends on the size of a company. Example: FCF is great to lot for a large mature company but I want my smaller growth company investing all their rev back into growing the company. Sorry for rambling but there is a lot to learn. I have had MANY expensive lessons along the way.

gls2220

I think putting your money in this thing right now is stupid. AI is going to completely disrupt online learning. Maybe DUOL has a strategy for that, but investing in this company right now is just guessing that they'll figure it out. This is the definition of NO MOAT.

evi_tifa

SNAP has no MOAT. Everything they do is trash. Their app is horrible in terms of relative ease of use. I can’t run into an endless hole of reels/tiktok clips that I find funny. Facebook is more engaging. Matter of fact, Tom could do a better job with SNAP with his MySpace experience 🤣

Rough-Prior-76

PYPL doesnt have a MOAT, it really isn’t innovative compared other competition. Im tired of seeing these “youtube washed” stocks, they promise you its a double “FuNDAmenTals” but really its a value trap.

SwimRevolutionary954

HIMS biggest threat isn't big pharma. It's that it has no MOAT. There's so many other telehealth companies doing what hims is doing for cheaper. Most people who are going the non-traditional route for weight loss drugs or TRT are already price-sensitive and are going to do a bit of research and find a more inexpensive option than HIMS

Few-Horror5981

Costco is expensive but I wouldn’t short them. They have a very strong MOAT

NotoriousOne3

I’m the opposite, I’m in IT and have the “honor” to administer these products everyday and I would invest in MSFT. Why? Because no matter how shitty it gets year after year, nobody would dare to even think of moving away from it, thats how big of a MOAT they have.

Fractious_Cactus

I'm in this boat. Why bet on a team of 10 engineers when a company with billions of dollars can just do their own AND already be integrated with the world's largest businesses. I'm thinking OpenAI will be the Enron of the 2020/2030s. I definitely don't believe AI is replacing the largest SAAS companies. If anything, they'll invest in their own agents and boost their own value, creating an even stronger MOAT for competition to overcome.

Fractious_Cactus

This is my take. The companies that have billions of dollars are the most likely to expand their MOAT against smaller competitors. I'm of the belief (i'm ignorant so excuse me) that this will make the current software companies that are business infrastructure even more sticky and resilient. The seats narrative is brain-numbing.. they'll increase prices to offset seat loss and the companies will pay for it if the AI is truly that great.

Aggravating_Sir_4709

Well the positive is that they own 14% of the company, so if Anthropic wins, they also sort of win. The MOAT of Google is more than Gemini though, but if we start getting headlines like "Anthropic is eating into Gemini's share" with earnings showing a slowdown in some of the other parts of their business, then its getting re-rated fast. I just don't think its happening the next two quarters.

Aggravating_Sir_4709

Google will massively beat. They have the MOAT unlike all the others.

Straight-Fix-8434

$Hood has no MOAT. 30 price target

Ok_Perspective5407

Besides profits and growth what is your philosophy on finding a stock that’s is on sale? Or primed for a reversal after a long downturn? MOAT? FCF? EBITA? Sector tailwinds? Global or regional. Partnerships? Products? Customer base or reach globally?

West_Appeal1550

good idea, BUT let's say 3% of the 900m MAU's are paying and they are paying an average of 2 usd monthly, that is 54 million/month or 162 million per quarter. Compared to their revenue of 1.25-1.5 billion that is not enough to be a significant catalyst for a company that is dying in all other aspects of their business. Personally I won't touch the company because of them still having net debt and the lack of a strong MOAT

michael2334

I bought ZETA & PGY this week. ZETA - Marketing tech company that has been beaten up with other SAAS names. Strong history of beat and raise guidance and recently rolled out their own AI bot. Huge data MOAT that delivers big ROAS for clients. PGY - Fintech company beaten down by credit fears. Recently in the past couple weeks have signed to large forward fund flow agreements locking in some size able 2026 revenue. They basically hook their platform into large banks, give rejected clients a second look & will bundle the loans they give and sell them to private debt firms. They hold almost none of the debt themselves so their ability to scale has been massive. Both I think will be winners in 2026 / 2027

LongNVDA

Openai sunk cost, SaaS MOAT diminishing as software becomes cheaper due to AI, strategic autonomy for euro govs/companies which msft has most exposure to However there’s also lots of bullish arguments to be made

perceptive_AI

Unity will soon rollout runtime gameplay insights starting this year (requires developer to opt-in) . >In the legacy model, an ad network only sees "Events" like Install, Level Complete, or Purchase. Runtime insights go much deeper into the "Game DNA": >Player Skill Level: Does the player struggle with puzzles but breeze through combat? >Engagement Depth: Do they spend 20 minutes customizing their character or skip every cutscene? >Interaction Loops: Do they prefer short 30-second bursts of gameplay or long 1-hour sessions? >Mechanical Affinity: Does the player enjoy physics-based mechanics, resource management, or high-twitch reflexes? This will be a game changer because they will be the first and only company to train an ad platform using runtime telemetry. This is unique and powerful MOAT , APPlovin/Epic Games/Meta/Google can't do this.

ReasonableBrother448

So what is the MOAT? They stopped the F9 development about 5-10 years ago and have digged themselfs into the Starship sized hole. Coincidentally almost everything great Musk did was left to collect dust at that point. F9 was incredible achievement and they should've just upgraded it slightly to envelope the costly mostly disposable F9 Heavy. Perhaps with stainless steel and methalox FFSC. Now they MUST get Starship working with all of its multi layered complications or they will for sure go bankrupt. It has insane hardware spending with quite small revenue stream from ongoing operations. Competition will not wait "the most advanced space organization", far from it. They are eating Spacex lunch and there is nothing Spacex can do about it.

Disastrous-Choice101

>Furthermore, ongoing ramp-up and progress in its autonomous driving and other software (e.g., full self-driving aka FSD) could also emerge as another emerging economic MOAT for Tesla, with Tesla often being considered as a leader in autonomous driving (aka ADAS) especially among US OEMs Imagine paying for such highly regarded content RIP FSD, but calls it is!

WhiteHorseTito

Zero; Australia just like every other country is a heavy user of WhatsApp. That’s a massive MOAT that Meta will always have. That in addition with strategic data center and compute reserves should absolutely boost their earnings and then some.

Ancient_Bobcat_9150

OK, fair enough. I do think too that 1/2 year is short. But at this time if you pay both micron and asml at ultimate high valuation - you'll most likely make little gains, or even lose, it's a if the bubble does burst within that time frame so I would bother unless there is a big correction drawdown. For which of the two, I cannot say. ASML has arguably a stronger MOAT, but Micron probably higher short term growth explosivity. I am long term investor so I'll always favour - if hesitation, the stronger long-term option which is ASML (at least, in my opinion)

GrnBlu

Has anyone looked at CRM? They're 5Y flat. Have a huge MOAT. Curious why it's still in the trenches.

StonklordBenno

DCA in stocks with a deep and wide MOAT and ignore the noise

Slow-Raisin-939

Nvidia had extremely strong MOAT. Not sure MU does. Chinese companies taking markt share is a risk

C_B_Doyle

This makes sense. I like the MOAT.

Skeezerman

what your definition of a meme stock? most of these tickers are in emerging markets with either proven track records, tech MOAT, or big deals locked in. I'm not buying at these prices, but not selling either.

ReasonableBrother448

Hate and still purchase = MOAT. Adobe stocks will surge up one day, but it is very difficult to say how low will it get and this is the main issue. Surging up will happen on earnings releases so it is almost certain that small risk has to be taken to hold trough either Q1 or Q2. All of the potential negativity is already soaked in, the earnings will probably be stellar as always and this will prevent any large selloffs. I am looking for plateau, see NOVO_B as an example. Take a weekly chart and see the volumes. Already it seems that Adobe buyers are coming into the mix and RSI is slowly rising. Barring total collapse (always possibility with Trump) Tech stocks are getting delicious towards Q1, not just Adobe. So this is also competition in that regard.

Chymnus

I’m new to Reddit and have been following the discussion around Uber for a while. In my view, Uber’s long-term outlook will ultimately be decided by whether safe AV driving becomes a commodity or not. The bear case, in my opinion, is that Waymo (and potentially Tesla) will be the only two companies capable of delivering truly safe AVs over the next several years. In that scenario, Uber’s role as a supply-and-demand aggregator would become far less relevant, and those two companies would capture the majority of the market. Uber wouldn’t disappear, but its core ride-hailing business would be structurally disrupted. However, I believe it is far more likely that safe AV technology becomes commoditized over time and therefore does not provide a durable moat. This is supported by the fact that multiple companies are planning to deploy Level 4 robotaxis globally starting in 2026 (e.g. Baidu, [Pony.ai](http://Pony.ai), Lucid). IMO this strongly suggests that the underlying technology doest not offer a durable MOAT. Additionally, the projection of AV deployment, and Waymo’s expansion in particular, has not been as fast as expected. Optimistically, Waymo will only operate around 5,000–10,000 robotaxis by 2027. That leaves significant time for competitors to catch up technologically and offer a comparable product. As a result, it seems likely that in the medium to long term, several providers will operate similar robotaxi fleets—much like the traditional automotive industry, which has never been dominated by a single manufacturer despite heavy regulation. Since AVs remain extremely expensive, and only Waymo can currently absorb these costs (largely because it is backed by Alphabet), other players such as Lucid, PonyAI will likely depend on external distribution networks to maximize utilization. This is where Uber’s key advantage comes into play. Uber already operates a global demand-supply matching platform at scale, which it can offer to AV providers that lack direct consumer reach. Ultimately, the decisive factor for customers choosing a ride-hailing app is getting from A to B as quickly, safely, and comfortably as possible. If Uber offers that via AVs, users will choose Uber; if Waymo offers it more effectively, they’ll choose Waymo. A very plausible outcome, in my view, is a duopoly-like structure similar to Visa and Mastercard, where both Uber and Waymo dominate due to strong distribution, high user engagement, and embedded ecosystems (e.g. Waymo leveraging Alphabet assets like Google Maps). The robotaxi market is enormous, and in a world where AV technology becomes increasingly commoditized, the platform that aggregates demand, optimizes fleet utilization, and controls customer access is likely to win. **TL;DR:** AV technology is likely to become commoditized, meaning Waymo’s current technological and regulatory advantage won’t last. Time works in Uber’s favor, as other companies can catch up technologically and will likely rely on Uber’s platform for distribution. The most probable outcome is that Uber and Waymo coexist and dominate the robotaxi market.

TechTuna1200

This. PE is very useful, but you have to evaluate the business holistically. This could be other financial numbers. Top line growth rate, gross margins, profit margins, netcash / debt. If a business have a very high PE, but all those other numbers are very good. You could can see PE dropping fast. You also have to look into user satisfaction/engagement. Is there a MOAT that prevents users to switch to an alternative. What is the competitive landscape?

StonklordBenno

They are pricy, but I wouldn’t say overvalued. It is practically a monopoly that is near impossible to copy. Their MOAT is incredible. I don’t see them losing their position in the coming 5 years for certain, and probably 10 years. ASML’s high NA EUV machines are being sold for ~400mln a pop, and they can’t even satisfy demand and backlog. A great watch to understand their market position is the recent video by Veritasium explaining how insanely complex and hard to copy their machines are.

Sad-Algae6247

What is the valuation of an unprofitable business without a MOAT like OpenAI?

logontoreddit

Google was low because there was possibility they would be forced to sell Chrome. DOJ last September ruled they don't have to sell Chrome. Also, many people wrongly assumed ChatGPT would destroy Google's search dominance. Which was never going to be the case even in best case scenario for GPT. Google has Google cloud, YouTube, Android and countless other assets on top of search. YouTube alone deserves market cap higher than Netflix. Don't forget they are the leaders in autonomous taxis, not Tesla. Google was undervalued because of fear not because of numbers.  Okay, what does PayPal have? What MOAT do they have? What do they provide that hundreds of other companies don't provide in one form or another? Is there any distinct advantage of using PayPal? What they do seems easy to replicate, hence they have lots of competition. Sure you might still make money but it's not a company with bright future five years down the line. Short term, it's a gamble and you might make some money. Good luck!

jrex035

Can't speak to it on a technical basis, but as a company? Man it's so shit. They've got no real MOAT, AI is eating their lunch, and everyone who uses their services these days absolutely hates it. Won't be touching it with a mile long pole personally

DRCAG3SUN

MOAT mother of all tops

Amazing-Ad-511

DPRO I would add to the list there. ABAT is another, need batteries to run these drones so don't forget about that sector. LPTH is in a competitive space and I struggle to understand what MOAT they have there if any? Look forward to doing my due diligence into SPAI and PDYN

OrangeTariff

Don’t confuse current market share with future. Azure growth rate is faster than AWS. Azure is also gradually increasing their market share. If the huge capital investments can’t reverse this then amazon is in trouble. It’s difficult for AWS to outgrow Azure in the long run because Microsoft has enterprise apps which is a MOAT unlike Amazon which sells only the cloud service.

RevolutionaryToe4249

MOAT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_moat

Glittering_Water3645

I didn´t say they are undervalued, but I like the price relative to the fundamentals. Depending on what you believe the companies will produce in cash flows in the future both of them can be both undervalued, fairly valued and overvalued. No one knows for certain how the future looks like. BN. Traded at a 35% discount to NAV, fantastic historical performance (+19% CAGR over last 30 years), diversified, insiders owning a lot of stock and very optimistic guidance for future cash flow growth from operating activities. NVDA. Good forward PE relative to estimated EPS growth for the coming years, market leader, strong MOAT, high ROIC and great management.

NoDisk5699

Why doesnt prime just replace netflix? Becuase it has a MOAT and a strong brand. The wors Uber has become interchangable with a Taxi

Ancient_Bobcat_9150

That is a dumb take. Amazon has one of the most impregnable MOAT out of all MAG7 (along Microsoft)

15pH

The concept you want to explore is a MOAT: some competitive advantage that makes a company difficult or impossible to overtake. eBay had no real moat, just a strong network effect. They relied on users to do all the shipping and procurement and listings and everything. Amazon has immense infrastructure that acts as a moat. Distribution hubs, shipping logistics, last mile delivery fleets, customer base, vendor base, computing backbone... Amazon was able to build massive scale by being the first mover, as well as by using the AWS cash flow. It's hard to imagine an organic growth company ever competing. It would have to be a merger of Walmart plus UPS plus Microsoft.

Weak-Pomegranate-435

Yes, NVDA has better MOAT. But it’s easier for AMD to beat their estimates. So I always go with the rule “ I don’t know what I don’t know”. So I would rather go with both than just one of them. There’s no limit on how many stocks you can hold in your portfolio.

more_chromo

Why can't we talk about MOAT? It's up almost 14% YTD

Silver_Variety_1108

Drones are the new way wars are fought. The drone budget from FY 25 to FY 26 is 10x. The U.S. military Short Range Reconnaissance budget is going from $70 Million to over $700 Million. Plus $1 Billion extra for attack drones. $2 Billion for small unmanned ships that Ukraine has used to destroy a lot of Russian ships, oil assets, etc. $RCAT is the only licensed US manufacturer of Ukrainian USV drones. These are proven in war and won 5-0 at REPMUS. RCAT (Redcat Holdings), may very well increase its revenue from $40 Million in 2025 to $400 Million in 2026. They have the only SRR drone that works in GPS denied war zones. There drones work even in areas where radio jamming occurs. There competitors drones don’t work, radio gets jammed and software doesn’t work. This is a huge MOAT that Wall Street doesn’t seem to know about. Once the Full Rate Production is signed, RCAT stock will fly!

WhatAFrikandel

As an investor, I make choices based on realistic valuations. I use revenue, profit, EBITDA and MOAT and future predicted earnings to make smart choices and diversify my portfolio. That's why today my highest preforming asset *checks notes* ...is a meme stock.

digitalnirvana3

You can't just declare MOAT Michael

4w3som3

CRM has an important MOAT too, it's certainly difficult for a company to move away from their ecosystem once they start using it.

skilliard7

>PLTR has a significantly larger MOAT than SpaceX. I don't think you understand enterprise contracts. They last 1-3 years, and then you can cancel. Not really a moat. But then again, 1-3 years is probably an eternity for a subreddit that trades options that expire in 1 week.

OutlandishnessUsed24

$FLWS - 1-800-FLOWERS: The Setup Nobody's Talking About SQUEEZE MECHANICS (This Week) 526K FTDs hit T+35 forced settlement Dec 16-19 Dec 19 OPEX stacks gamma on a ~5M share float 9.4M shares short vs 600K available to borrow (15.7x imbalance) Shorts dumped 2.5M borrowed shares Dec 12 to push it from 4.40→3.90 - couldn't break support, running out of ammo AI TRANSFORMATION (2025) New CIO (Zelikovsky) hired Dec 8 for "AI and digital commerce" - stock ripped 30% New CEO (Villagomez) - first non-family CEO ever New CMO (Babcock) - ex-Home Depot Entire C-suite rebuilt this year. AI chatbots already driving 70% increase in customer interactions. DATA MOAT 30+ years of consumer gifting and logistics data Uber Direct + Uber Eats partnerships launched 2025 This data could be worth hundreds of millions if monetized through AI VALUATION $1.4B revenue at ~$250M market cap Actually profitable Conservative target: $10-15 | AI execution target: $20-30+ (detailed modeling in follow-up DD) Valentine's Day + Mother's Day catalysts ahead Bears see "dying flower company." I see a logistics data company mid-transformation. POSITION: 155x $5 calls 12/19, plus shares. If squeeze doesn't hit, I'm exercising and holding for the turnaround. Not financial advice - do your own DD. I could be wrong on timing, and you can lose 100% on options.

bentreflection

I declare MOAT

IsshikiSatoshi

What would say SpaceX’s MOAT is compared to competitors such as rocket lab or blue origin.

myCarAccount--

MOAT?

more_chromo

PLTR has a significantly larger MOAT than SpaceX. I don't think you understand enterprise contracts.

newyolker

PLTR makes $4B annually with a 437B mcap , at least SpaceX has a MOAT and is the future.

Difficult_Physics704

Plus Google now has a foot in the foot to take market share away from Apple with the Pixel and also the return of Google Glass next year to go against Meta Rayban. ANDDD they own YouTube/TV.. ANDDD they definitely have their hand in the bowl of robotics and quantum computing as well. Autonomous driving cars with Waymo. I mean they have THE MOAT

GeneralSavings9373

I wouldn't say a MOAT but they're significantly expanding operations in the East Coast next year and they just recently got into the European market. I feel like SOFI is going to get to 50 by the end of 2026

stringtheory28

Does SOFI have a MOAT?

Routine-District-588

It is not only low p/e, it is low p/e + MOAT + Narrative change. The narrative change is meta will reduce metaverse spending, even if they shift this money to AI it will be better as metaverse is a shit show. thats what the investors wants. I trust in the Zuck if you dont, then dont invest in meta.

Harrisonvogel69

Very happy to see this post as I never know why this stock never gets d attention, it should be as talked about as mag7 but at least should be aswell known as baba at bare minimum - they have an absurd MOAT on top tier fabs their core bussiness model and enough demand to fill up any fab they get up and running with increasing margins due to demand- in a heavy PPE manufacturing and semi manufacturing industry that’s absurd and imo r set up to dominate the next decade minimum- intel management is a joke

jubilantBeatbox

cool thank you. interesting -- apparently they have a bit of a MOAT... you know, from decades of literally mapping the interior of millions of homes.

Upstairs_Whole_580

Not sure they have a bigger MOAT than NVDA right now. NVDA has 92% of the market. Apple... does not.

Then_Past_4646

I work in tech, and agree with all of above. OpenAI has no MOAT, they are just one model. From what I hear don't sleep on Anthropic on AWS/GCP for Enterprise Customers- where the real money is. Plus AWS-GCP has monster cashflow to finance such things. Also Microsoft has a history of using free/cheap to kill competitors, I'll admit I'm not as knowledgeable on their AI offerings at this moment, but do not doubt them long term. Microsoft will lose the first 8 innings, then hit grand slams in 9th.

Aconceptthatworks

OpenAI wont be around in 2030. Google does everything OpenAI does, but better now. They already catched up and lapped them. They have direct integration with android and search, and can afford to burn more money. OpenAI really doesnt have any MOAT. Google even make their own chips for god sake.

ExDiv2000

Ask your favourite AI which MaG7 has greatest MOAT …

Suitable_Air_2686

Comma AI’s open source kit is like 80-90% of the way there to Tesla. They don’t have a significant MOAT on autonomous driving.

Suitable_Air_2686

AI chip is stretching it. Anything can be called an AI chip by that logic. The only real AI chip that has some MOAT to it is a GPU or an AISC chip. TPUs from Amazon, Google, etc can still qualify as AI chips, but Tesla’s HW4 which has Samsungs exynos architecture, AMD CPU and GPU cannot be called an “AI chip” IMHO.

IRLGravity

Bunch of random hate going around: ORCL has specific integration with database hand holding inside of Azure data centers mitigating competition friction on top of backing up 27 European Union countries, the US, AUS, UK, etc are also utilizing them for data Sovereignty. They have decreased FCF (Still like +20B) but, this is expected during high Capex events. However. with their backup with all of these points their MOAT is incredibly strong alongside the "Co Locate with the data location" idea. Easy to switch to, hard af to switch from. Not necessarily saying there is zero risk as there always is some but, I doubt to an incredible level that this is a warning sign for anyone on that list. Put/call @ 0.89 / CDS spread increase by 25 BPS. It's highly likely it's hedging, go to bed. With how rates have been I'm surprised everyone didn't issue even more.

Rich-Inspector-376

bruh, ChatGPT data is the MOAT

ExDiv2000

Well I aks Gemini which of the MAG7 has the biggest MOAT and it said MSFT…. which is funny at least. I also Believe in Google, but of course uf they lose ad business market share stock will go down short term . Long term they have best chances to succeed.

barbpatch

MOAT etf - 30 shares bought at $99 on Oct. 13 Sold today for $99.24. Usually a good ETF for hanging on to your cost basis short term or very slowly going up long term. Why sell? I want that dry powder 😩 black Friday sales are coming early to the stock market.

LongNVDA

I honestly wonder why people were afraid that GOOG -which is printing 100billion per quarter, can literally throw billions at individual AI researchers, and has a nobel laureate lead a division that originally invented transformer architecture- would not be able to in the long run crush some autistic snake oil salesman that is Scam altman, who at this point is just buying time with his pyramid scheme deal announcements. They have literally no MOAT, and all their actually capable AI researchers fled long time ago..

Sad_Cheesecake9693

If this is the level of analysis you're applying then I would recommend you don't short anybody. Your takes are too shallow and lack any business rationale. * Increase prices shows price elasticity, aka they can get qway with increasing prices. Secondly, if you increase $1 hotdog to $2, that's a drastic increase but it's a cheap hot dog. Same with streaming services. If Chipotle double their prices, they lose half their customers overnight because the actual value of an one off meal is low. A month's worth of streaming content which equates to hours upon hours of entertainment is still good value. Price increases is about more about the principle than the value of the service. * Advertisement exploding is a net positive. It is a revenue stream to offset the price increases. Think of your favourite show of all time. Would you refuse to watch it if it has ads? No. You'll be pissed but you will watch it. This is how enshittification works. Product is worst but company has a MOAT so we have to suck it up. * Consumer sentiment doesn't translate into economic outcomes. Humans need to be entertained and streaming services are fair value compared to $70 games, $100 nights out and there's only so much TikTok one can consume in the evenings. Feel free to short the streaming services, you might learn something valuable from the experience :)

yourfavouriteguyhere

META’s AI failed. What MOAT do they have to deserve a trillion dollar valuation?

yourfavouriteguyhere

Meta is so overvalued! What MOAT it has?

Sad_Cheesecake9693

Duolingo's growth was never sustainable so the valuation is course correcting. It may not have a technical MOAT but it has extremely high brand recognition. I couldn't name you another language app with a gun to my head. But maybe the brand awareness has peaked so what's next? The company is expanding into Chess so I'm curious if it has the potential to be general education app, like a mainstream version of Brilliant. They know how to engage users and that level of expertise is much harder to replicate. If I was Duolingo, I would be looking to spin off new apps into new verticals. Also your insight into their marketing dollars is something I haven't heard from any of the commentators talking about Duolingo over the last week. Nice one.

VegetableRealistic60

What is Rivian’s MOAT? I struggle to find any.

Sad-Ground-4194

Wait for the weightloss pill to be in production this stock will skyrocket. Big MOAT i tell ya!

Important_Agency07

Exactly the models themselves are not a MOAT nor is there much revenue to be there from licensing. The compute is what’s going to be the commodity. Unless AGI is achieved then the whole current paradigm shifts

AtlasDiningGroup

Korean fried chicken has been supported by the following secular tailwinds: preference shift towards more Asian cuisine in recent decades (think of it as a MOAT of sorts), fatigue from American fried chicken that traditionally entails all purpose flour in the coating, as opposed to Korean fried chicken’s rice flour mix, which introduces a nice crispiness that is otherwise difficult to attain, and finally more private investor dollars chasing growth of not only Korean, but also other styles of fried Asian chicken. Hopefully this color helps! — Jay

banditcleaner2

UNH is a massive company, what the fuck are all these ones you bought? What is their MOAT? Only FI is not a penny stock by market cap, the other two are random no-name companies. Look at the last couple of times FI had a major drop. The best you were getting was a 10% gain but every time over the long run it continued lower. Not good.

Youkiame

All about growth so if they are lying or not, we will find out next week earnings call. If they can maintain near 40% growth,, the valuation is very reasonable comparing to other SaaS with similar growth rate (PLTR). Don’t get me wrong, 25x rev is high which is what I said earlier. You’re paying a premium at this price for their projected growth and MOAT. And comparing to other SaaS like PATH, the TAM is much larger for FIG, customer based is more diverse (dev, non-dev, retail, enterprise) , MOAT is much stronger. They are expanding into other areas, they might have to beat Canvas. But at least they don’t need to face MSFT like PATH needs to face. Give me your DD too, you buying?

sum_dude44

The brand name is the MOAT. OPEN AI is already the Google of LLMs. My kids don't use Claude or Gemini or whatever MSFT LLM is called.

salty0waldo

Pretty sure they have it figured out. Turnaround has been underway for over a year. Haven’t read this earnings yet but typically Criss is really conservative on guidance. It’s sorta hard I imagine to grow the top line once you get to a certain TPV when your product isn’t very sticky or convenient. I’m not a fan of the product or really understand how they have a MOAT, but its fundamentals always interest me. It’s price action is pretty interesting as well.