WFH

AzulMage2020

Fine. There are savings now but what happens when AI demands to WFH too? Productivity gone- out the window! Whats going to be the next move?? Create another AI to do the original AIs workload? Good luck with that!

Chrg88

WFH w/ cat >

dont_downvote_SPECIL

I love WFH because it means I can stay up past 2 AM and hangout with unemployed people in the chat 🫵🤣🤣🤣🤣

borat_he_like_you

26% of people that WFH have sex or masturbate during business hours 10% of people that work on-site/in-office have sex or masturbate during business hours I've been part of the 26% since 2020 and I fucking love it 👍👍👍👍. It's so easy when no one is watching you!!

IrvTheSwirv

Whenever you read an MSM article where some CEO or whatever is complaining about WFH the very first thing that should be popping into your head is “CMBS”. Literally all that is ever really about.

No_Guess_5711

This was a natural consequence of WFH and post covid. Lots of places had long leases that companies were forced to hold onto for several years.

Striking-Credit-2765

No no, I used to wake up at 6am/7am and start working on WFH days. And worked till 7pm couple days to complete urgent projects! She was completely satisfied and happy! Not a single complain since I joined 😭

brucekeller

I like WFH, but damn, kinda rough in a 'new' city as someone over 30. Of course, I could go out and meet people but man, excuses are better.

Rob1iam

Most of these big CRE office deals were done with banks lending at ~60% LTVs. Even if the property lost 30% of its value, which was about the average for large office buildings during the sectors worst time in 2023, it’s still isn’t putting most bank’s collateral positions in danger. And even then, the value only matters if they have to sell. The owners of those buildings have large enough equity that they have a lot of skin in the game to defend those properties when times get tough. When push comes to shove, most of these office buildings can still cash flow even at 60%-70% occupancy. The corporate guarantors have deep pockets and have stepped in to keep payments current even when the buildings struggled. Banks don’t want their office borrowers to default and have done a lot to help workout their CRE deals and avoid foreclosures that would hurt the market even more. And like I said earlier, the biggest threat to office buildings was vacancies resulting from the quick large scale shift to WFH after Covid. Now that a significant amount of those workplaces are doing full or partial RTO, a lot of that vacancy issue has alleviated. Rates going up definitely had an effect, but banks and borrowers always stress test variable rates before the deal. Rising rates didn’t hurt those office borrowers ability to repay nearly as much as high vacancy rates did.

SuperLeverage

The big question is, can you WFH? 🧑‍💻

dont_downvote_SPECIL

I bought a Scion iA when I finished college in 2016 and paid it off in 2021. Every month I'm saving $276 that can go towards the stock market. I don't really want to spend much on a car since I WFH all day and the only time I go out is buy food. Anything else can be bought online and delivered to my house And I'm not trying to impress anybody with a big truck, flashy sports car, or a luxury car. I'm just quietly building my wealth. If my car ever broke down, I was thinking of a scooter or a robotaxi.

AmberLeafSmoke

No one wants to use it, yet. It's the wild West atm, same with WFH devices and cloud IT was. Once firms and their clients actually start to care about what data is being put into LLMs, Copilot will become the go to. Microsoft thinks in years, even decades, given their size they have to. As long as they own the Office Suite, Windows, Azure, Intune etc they can wait years for new products to finally catch the user base.

eat_rice__fuck_ice

This is a better argument for WFH but ceos dont wanna hear that lol.

Potato_Octopi

Just WFH.

borat_he_like_you

I spend more time masturbating than actually working It's so easy when you WFH

didistutter69

Or…you know WFH arrangements? We tested that out in 2020-2024ish? Seems to be a hit with the wage slaves, Mr CEO

iSaidThisIsNotWhere

Ya know what else is faster than flying? WFH.

National_Spirit2801

Yeah - you'd think competition would drive the market down for WFH salaries but sometimes I wonder why I do what I do when I could apply the same skill set to something more lucrative. I suppose the security of barely being able to afford my mortgage and family expenses is what keeps me going. The windowless basement is alright, they let me out sometimes when they need me to grab equipment to test. But it's the same little hole I return to, day in and day out.

National_Spirit2801

If my career of choice paid 170k a year plus free $0 copay health benefits for me to WFH, I sure would! Boy howdy, it would be great to be with my family instead of being stuck in a windowless basement! God knows my wife sure could use the help at home! If only a single family home in California 2 hours north of the bay area didn't cost $600,000!

shadereckless

Spoiler alert, the commute for WFH is in fact 'even' faster 

borat_he_like_you

It's 8:53 AM, I just masturbated, and ready to start my day If I had to work at an office, I would either be extremely late for work or would not have time to satisfy myself Which is why I love WFH 🙏

InsertFloppy11

first i thought this is a work reform post advocating for home office/WFH, but no, sadly its much stupider.

circuitji

Musk will eventually say no more WFH and remote drivers should be in car or be fired !

dogecorleone

WFH returns

Expensive_Fruit_6695

not all jobs can be WFH… try fixing power lines from a laptop or giving someone a root canal over Zoom 😭 *“okay sir, just angle your molar toward the webcam”*

Neat-Emu-8731

why flight? ✈️ bc not everyone can WFH, brad. surgeons can’t zoom into your spleen. pilots can’t remote control boeings from their kitchen. sometimes you gotta physically show up and pretend you’re important 😭

dont_downvote_SPECIL

The WFH trend, along with hybrid work, resulted in: • it made workers freer to roam & happier; and • it created employer distrust. The trend now has employers ordering employees back to the office & cutting staff. S&P companies now have fewer workers today than 10 years ago. (WSJ 6-21) Big business is striving to become leaner & meaner instead of going global & taking over the world; still, companies are attempting to tap into a lower cost labor pool. However, the “America First” policy will mean profits fall, i.e., hence, cut staff. But then I repeat myself. In short, AI is coming to take the jobs, not to mention global trade is slowing down due to tariffs. Whether now or a year from now, a recession is coming; and it may be the first one starting at the top of the labor pool & moving down. It may even mean that blue collar jobs surge while white collars shrink. In any case, the summer will shed some light on the uncertainties that come to bear: • Will the wars wane or wax? • Will the tariffs finally take effect? • And the most pressing uncertainty of them all: will inflation rise or fall? Really, the economy depends on interest rates, which depend on the CPI, which depends on jobs, which depends on spending, which depends on jobs. Alas, the buck stops on jobs. But then I repeat myself.

Equivalent_Reply_416

She went full regard on those pandemic stocks. Like life then was going to be the norm, WFH is almost dead lol

caiodb

WFH

Rich-Past-6547

You know what would be cheaper and easier than replacing car commutes with flying object commutes? WFH.

bartread

Yes, but it's also worth pointing out that for a vast number of jobs you can achieve the same time and productivity gains simply by WFH, and without the environmental impact. Are you really uncritically buying into the not at all surprising shtick from the CEO of an air taxi company that the tech his company is all in on will change the world? And the regularity with which you post favourably about Archer, looking at your post history, answer me this: how much are they paying you? Go shill somewhere else.

shivaswrath

I WFH 4 days a week for minimal carbon emission.

Exciting_Strike5598

Why flight ? ✈️ ? Why not WFH ?

notalwayswright

I feel your pain. I WFH though lol

JediOrDie

Texas, Florida, and any boom town from the WFH Covid rush is dropping. I’d say it’s only a matter of time before more states follow suit. Tightening cycle is working. I suspect corporate margins shrinking from tariffs will be the next domino.

Cold-Piizza

I had to go back to WFH for this reason

redcoatwright

yeah idk WFH is lessening... this has already blown up a lot in the last month.

Cold-Piizza

Good luck brother. Last place burned me. Back to WFH lol

kindrudekid

So many: Smartest in general was shoving all my savings and excess income during first months of pandemic into buying stocks. Some of the moves during this that made me money: Uber, airbus, rolls Royce and GameStop of all the things. Thinking was 1. With WFH need for deliveries of food will be high especially with how bad most Americans are meal prepping or cooking at home in general. 2. Airbus and rolls Royce made sense cause my family back in home country were eager to just get out and away from family and with savings I knew air travel will pick up rapidly. 3. GameStop was mostly cause I saw it go up around time when new consoles came, off course I came out ahead cause of the squeeze tough didn’t cash out during squeeze but still made a decent chunk

SkoomaJunki3

Bruh WFH sucks when it’s beautiful outside

BukkakeKing69

This wasn't a minimum wage thing, this was a "coming out of the pandemic" thing. When an employer has to hire 1 person, business goes on if that person wants a big raise and they say no. When an employer has to completely re-open operations and hire 12 people, however, those people gain unique leverage to request raises because the business simply won't function otherwise. Remember, low wage unemployed at the time were making MORE on unemployment than they were when they worked! So employers were forced to sweeten the pot. This is why independent of minimum wage increases, lower wage workers saw greater wage gains than higher income deciles. Their physical labor was more likely to end up on enhanced unemployment at the time and mass re-opening created unique leverage many unaffected WFH white collar jobs never had. A similar phenomenon ended feudalism during the middle ages. Of course, Covid is nothing close to bubonic plague, but we shut down our economy for a time as if it pretty much was.

cafecoder

It's like remote work was popularized during Covid. However once folks tasted WFH and proved it works, they would prefer WFH even without covid. I don't want to sign anything in paper, even if I'm in person. Everything has been Docusign (or similar).

Cold-Piizza

Finally got another WFH job. The office was killing me slowly

friz_CHAMP

God damn WFH culture! Is it nicer blowing dudes behind your parent's garage instead of the dumpster? Sure, but you're not getting the same camaraderie with the rest of the staff!

Expensive_Web_8534

I disagree with almost everything here (and some of the stuff is just plain wrong) 1) Yes, some companies have slashed their guidance, but that is primarily related to political uncertainty, and no one wants to miss guidance when the time comes. 2) Yes, housing starts are down - that is primarily related to a push towards back-to-office - blue states, where the office jobs are, don't allow too much new housing. You can still see housing prices going up in those states. Red states, where the housing starts have declined precipitously, have started to lose some folks who relocated there during the pandemic, assuming the WFH culture would persist forever. 3) Credit delinquencies are coming down after having peaked in Q2 2024: [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DRCCLACBS](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DRCCLACBS) Yes, subprime auto loan delinquency rates are up, but still this is irrelevant - The total amount of those loans is \~$1.5 trillion. Even a 3% default rate would result in a loss of $50 billion - which is barely anything. So yea, the market shrugs. You are looking at inconsequential data and making mountains out of mole hills. Sell your puts.

jump101

01 honda 150k miles and i WFH mostly...

2nd_yr_cs

Next 2 days inperson fuckkk!!!! In my company (bank), everyone works 3 days WFH and 2 days inperson 

gloomyglooom

WFH + No GF = living the dream shower *maybe* 3 times a month no longer wipe hook up PC to TV to watch porn on 77-inch OLED 

bt_85

The pattern is pumping an overheated market even more, in order to get the final exit liquidity. Nothing happens in a vacuum, nothing is isolated. The marker tsees what is coming and is getting ahead of it, and probably in the process creating conditions to make it more likely (eg, an even more overheated market moving into mass selling) What looks like will probably happen is real estate again. It's a house of cards. \- Economic downturn, or even just a slowdown or a rapid increase in inflation \- Lots of companies and individuals are way overleveraged on the short-term-rental boom \- People travel less, less disposable income, those people and companies can no longer afford the mortgages on their investment properties.   \- Combine with household debt and credit card debt way higher than before \- Forclosures and dumping of properties and other assets to try and cover their losses \- Which also tips over the banks that are sitting on massive unrealized losses \- And are sitting on lots of commercial real estate that is empty or at way below profitable rent due to the shift in WFH And there you go. And that's just one possible scenario. Rats fleeing a ship isn't what sinks the ship, but it is a sign it is sinking.

maxx159

WFH and not a real job

G0RD0N_CLARK

Beats sitting at the water cooler with my co-workers. Narrator: This guy is WFH and his "co-workers" are a 3 year old and two dogs.

Thurkin

It's only fitting since he was a huge advocate for ending WFH for "everyone else".

Willinton06

WFH Work for Head

Thencewasit

Wendy’s dumpster, the original WFH jobs.

Puzzleheaded_Smoke77

lol 😂 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 this is great i like this I’m gonna steal this . I mean sure yes and no the problem is we don’t fix problems so there’s like 2000 holes and we kinda just patch them and hope for the best . The deficit is because of the insane amount of outsourcing we have to do, it starts out cheap than when it’s been a decade they jack up the price and buy up all the competition. The lack of competition is because we are not able to stop private equity from swooping in buying up smaller businesses and then proceeding to tank them so they can off load a ton debt on them and then bankrupt them. For the larger one we see big conglomerates swallow up smaller businesses, and any competition they can afford to get a loan for. The s&p is worth more on papers then reality and the USA can’t deal that we made china the number 1 supplier to the worlds needs but is unwilling to do anything to actually make themselves competitive. Easy wins for trump Give tax incentives businesses who give remote jobs for WFH employees who move/live in distressed zip codes ( zip codes with negative pop growth) Charge a tariffs for calls/chats/emails that are routed to call centers over seas for customer/technical support. Digital tariffs on video games not made in the us Boom people now can move to places where there’s cheaper housing and not worry about having to compete hours or renting place closer just to work (that really sucks let me tell you) . We can pull jobs back to the us that Americans can do on day one with little in the way of training . Americans love getting American customer service. Those distressed areas get some much needed tax revenue allowing them to do repairs / and invest in the communities. Then you get all the back fill people who make money but live in low income areas have the ability to open new businesses which again generates more tax revenue and raises housing prices…. But he won’t it’s not something you would have done in the 80s or 90 s to stimulate long lasting growth

courage_and_honour1

Top winners in my watchlist today: - TSLA - PLTR - GME - RKLB - MRNA - SOFI 2021 WE ARE SO BACK - I just miss my 5-day WFH :(

AFblueboy

but papa i do this at my WFH job...

Outrageous-Pea7304

Let me guess you work WFH and you’re in the Tech IT field?

itsallfake01

Do we know if it was WFH employees? Or office?

Spicyboi981

WFH from El Salvador

Dmte

This the same guy who was wrong about WFH? Yeah don’t worry about it. If the ship goes down at least we’ll get to have a swim, fellas.

Academic_Wafer5293

When did the US ever care about the debt? I think we balanced it once under Clinton under a technicality. GDP drop was definitely caused by surge of imports as companies front-loaded their imports. See below. Definitely not the big scary number you put (2.7%) "Real GDP decreased at an annual rate of 0.3 percent (less than 0.1 percent at a quarterly rate^(1)) in the first quarter, primarily reflecting an increase in imports and a decrease in government spending that were partly offset by increases in investment, consumer spending, and exports." https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/gross-domestic-product-1st-quarter-2025-advance-estimate#:\~:text=Real%20GDP%20decreased%20at%20an,%2C%20consumer%20spending%2C%20and%20exports. Yes, tariffs are inflationary. What are they now? No one knows so markets are mostly ignoring them or pricing a baseline 10% which does not = the narrative that caused markets to drop so precipitously (stagflation, reordering global order, USD no longer reserve currency - all the doom/gloom fake news). Remember in 2020 when markets bottomed and no vaccine was even being contemplated and we were just starting global lockdowns? Market correctly predicted we would not all be WFH and sanitizing our groceries forever.

Rich-Kangaroo-7874

I used to WFH their call center. I still know a few people there. It's not good.

lee_suggs

We have had an incredibly good couple decades of employment. A crash will look like others before where we see layoffs and high unemployment and people need to sell holdings and can't afford to buy the dip because they are at risk of not being able to pay their bills. COVID got close but we sent out stimulus checks and most could WFH. The market started to anticipate layoffs due to tariffs but then they were rolled back.

Guinness

I have an unfounded suspicion that the CEO of Chase Bank freaks out over WFH/RTO because Chase is holding an enormous of worthless office space. Think about it. After the 2008 crisis Chase bought a ton of companies out. There is no going back to the pre pandemic era of office space. Companies save way too much money effectively offloading office costs onto their employees. And both sides of the equation are generally happy about it. Employees save time. Employers save money. CVS/Walgreens/Starbucks used to exist every block propped up just by office workers. They’ve all shed locations like crazy. They can’t keep kicking this can down the road. And I think it’s really stressing him out. Who breaks out in a screaming fit of rage over something so trivial? Someone who knows they’ve got a lot to lose. That’s who.

M-O-O-N_SPELLS

Permanent WFH

soccerguys14

I got 3 more years. Thought I’d likely be moving or see rates fall in that time frame. Now I may get a WFH job and promotion so no move. 2.5 years before I start panicking.

goodsam2

Local banks and the collapse of the value of commercial real estate. WFH has plummeted the values of these office space and local banks are heavily involved there. The average loan for these spaces is 7 years. Also the US debt numbers keep rising. I think that's going to cause a pull back in deficit spending or at least it should.

ComplexProof9444

Thanks, hopefully the same for you. Pays to be a WFH consultant so I can pretend to work my actual job while trading SPY options lol

bzl33

one annoying thing I just thought about is how every meeting is filled with AI notetaking spies that can take down every single thing said. we've gone from WFH to constant surveillance state because people are too lazy to pay attention to conversations.

itsthedollarB

It's incredible our government is now debated and discussed via tweets lmao. I'm waiting for the check marked China account to reply to them via a tweet too. Why discuss it from the Whitehouse when the government can WFH instead hahaha

BetFlipper34

The biggest difference between 2007/2008 and right now is the effects of offering anybody and everybody a mortgage was going on for years and it became engrained in our market. The only way to reverse that is through resetting the standard for qualifying for a mortgage and years of pain as we catch up to the new standard. If the market went negative due to tariffs, then the one guy who put them on could just take them away. Not saying it would solve everything, wouldn’t have some lasting effects, or go back to what it was… but it’s certainly a much easier solution that won’t take as long to remedy the issue. I’m much more worried about the years and years of printing money and increasing the M1 money supply to as large as it’s gotten. I’m more worried about the WFH culture, the COVID hiring surge that put a lot of inept people into high paying jobs, steady inflation, and steady interest rates.

Sunny1-5

PBJ here again. WFH, and I’d be brown bagging it if I didn’t.

siahbabedblsiah

Myself and most of my friends in tech use Macs. WFH since Covid has likely/will continue to add revenue. From an AppleInsider article: *"A 2018 survey by Jamf revealed that 72% of enterprise employees chose Macs over PCs when given the option. More recently, Cisco reported that 60% of its workforce uses Macs, with 24% of employees switching from PCs during device refresh cycles."*

borat_he_like_you

I'm so glad I WFH so I can have a break to nap & ejaculate 2x to relieve myself They never let me do this at the office!!

originalGooberstein

It's called WFH dude. You don't even need to leave your house to run a bombing campaign. The office is dead.

SeeThenBuild8

I develop large scale buildings. It’s pretty fucked right now. Even for non office properties. We mostly do class-A apartment projects, and it’s painful. The whole industry is feeling it. The problem is interest rates. The higher the rates, the more difficult it is to refi/sell. The typical business model is you take out a construction loan, which is usually the most expensive, and then refi with a cheaper loan once the building is complete and occupied. Or you sell. But with rates being this high, the ‘take-out’ loans are too expensive, and there is no meaningful upside for buyers. Developers are stuck with expensive loans, and are forced to come up with more cash to carry the asset, but people are running out of cash. What surprises me is that it’s hardly talked about. J Pow insinuates it’s an office asset issue caused by WFH, and that the market will have to adapt and sort itself out. That can’t happen without companies, banks, and trillions of dollars of investment being wiped out. Complete chaos. It’s hotels, apartment buildings, condo buildings, etc. Developers are scraping the bottom of the barrel to infuse enough cash into these projects to keep things running, hoping that rates come down soon. It’s not happening quick enough. And it’s not sustainable for much longer.

Spicyboi981

Yup, but I also think it’s because companies have the upper hand now by manufacturing a job market crisis with all the ghost listings and getting all our data from applications. End of WFH put stuff back into their control, now they can lay off for “poor performance” and whatnot and squeeze value out of anyone left standing

Ok-Analysis4121

The pandemic started it, as so much space is vacant due to the WFH boom. The issue now is that lenders don't want to touch these deals right now. So someone who desperately needs to refinance is having a hard time finding someone to bail them out

AverageLatino

There's only so far leverage can take you before fundamentals beat your ass, ever since the end of the pandemic the entire system from government to cities to big corporations to stakeholders have been pushing to kill WFH, and yet it remains persistently sticky, safe to say it really is here to stay and they're only looking for an exit, once they get enough bag holders they'll let it dip.

backtobrooklyn

I know someone who works for them, a professional, and during COVID/WFH he had to log when he went to the bathroom and when he came back from going to the bathroom. Seems like an awful company in general.

Fox_love_

Probably too many woke and WFH policies🤔

justforkinks0131

Finally someone with some actual meaningful take. I agree, this might just be trimming the WFH / Covid build-up. It just looks real bad considering everything else that is happening rn, but it may not be as indicative of a recession as people think.

diefy7321

$170 for a tire when you WFH is crazy. LOL

borat_he_like_you

Spent $170 to get my flat tire replaced Tried to charge me +$600 to replace them all But I told her that I WFH all day and can't justify spending that much on a car Using that $430 to buy more stock LOL let's go!! 🧠 🥸🤓🧐

WarmCan3034

WFH 

egowritingcheques

I also refuse to get paid for work. That would put my employer in a labor deficit. Instead my employer would work for me in exchange. The CEO of my company makes 300x my earnings so I would work for him 50hrs a week and he would come to my house (no WFH) and read emails and slideshow to me for10 mins per week. Now, since I don't take money for my labor there is no income tax to pay. My. Income tax becomes zero. Winning.

Capt1an_Cl0ck

Mostly you don’t need to wash them after each time you wear them. It’s suggested that jeans are washed every 4-5 times worn. Obviously it would depend on what’s going on. If you wear to work and they get dirty then sure. But if you are a WFH and only wear them when you go out for a few hours.

Greedyanda

There are pretty good studies showing that WFH leads to less productivity.

BidenAndObama

I think I realised that if doing WFH reduces your productivity, your business has other major issues. People work way better at home than at the office when they have a goal that's actually going to make a difference and they are invested in the outcome of their work. Else they do nothing and play video games all day because it doesn't matter. And they are right, it doesn't matter. Thus if you think return to office will improve productivity, it's a huge tell that you have a large swathe of unmotivated human resources that are just doing busy work.

viledeac0n

WFH was a disaster for us.

IdkAbtAllThat

Lol countless tech and engineering companies have been built with lots of people wfh, for decades now. People acting like no one did WFH before covid.

Stock-Time-5117

This is one of the reasons I decided to go the software dev route over staying an electrical engineer. This was well before WFH COVID rules hit. That and I was looking at being paid way less for much more difficult work, and a smaller pool of companies and working along side grey haired old dudes and their shitty culture. Software is slowly going the same route, but I expected that. Better to get a few good years in than none at all.

HowIWantToBeFreeBaby

While RTO will affect individuals to varying degrees, it’s essentially a rug pull from the total compensation package. A lot of people have built their lives around WFH policy and messaging (all industries). Not only do transportation costs go up by thousands out of pocket, you now as an employee have to trade your hours to the company for free via commuting. I say this as a blue collar knuckle dragger who wishes he could work from home.

ALMessenger

They think that a lot of employees are abusing WFH and essentially only working part of the time. Some employee I would trust and some I would not - I think you eliminate blanket WFH and let the lower level managers decide to allow it on a case by case basis

Kindly_Revert

Exactly. Those who actually make the physical chips always need to be on-site, obviously. This will force many of the WFH people to quit, some probably brilliant people, but also many people screwing around costing the company money. Head on over to /r/overemployed to see what I'm talking about. When your finances are bad, these are the moves you unfortunately have to make sometimes.

Jazzlike-Sort-6564

Funny these people think that a tech and engineering company will work on a WFH setup. Even microsoft and google rely heavily on face to face meetings and brainstorming.

wsb_crazytrader

Well would be great if rents didn’t go up 50% in the areas with high skilled jobs 🫠 People want WFH not to slack, but because it’s more economically viable.

arcanition

Return to office mandates without a physical reason (e.g. manufacturing) are by definition an increased cost with no financial benefits. Salaried engineers that were doing 9 hours a day WFH now have to commute 1 hour each way to the office, pushing them to work *fewer* hours, not more.

arcanition

Because the "return to office" part isn't about reducing cost. They're doing the other stuff (layoffs, etc...) for cost-cutting, but also the return to office at the same time to hide the fact that it's going to cost shareholders money to do so. Having worked as an engineer at some companies like Intel, their corporate structures are a massive web with people who do the work (engineers, customer service, technicians, tech support, etc...) at the bottom, and then a complex mess above them of managers, supervisors, regional managers, division managers, process managers, etc... All of those different managers need something to do. They know that the engineer getting projects done while WFH is productive, otherwise that work wouldn't be getting done. But they have to justify their existence to the manager level above them by cracking the proverbial whip on the people actually getting work done. How do we do that? Easy really. Just do literally everything the average worker hates happening to them, such as: * Take away benefits or perks that cost the company very little in comparison to the profits created by the workers * Make logistical or structural changes (such as "return to office") that may cost money, but allow additional control ("visibility") over workers. * Constantly develop and revise KPIs (key performance indicators) that boil down aspects of workers to as basic of a number of possible. Bonus points if the KPIs are things that the worker can't control.