WWII

Brawmethius

> You're clearly very young, and struggle to get your big words out. It's also clear your only knowledge of unemployment is the current rate. Pulled directly out of your ass just like your "research and analysis". Surprised you didnt feel like using the first graph in the Wikipedia reference you never read, its the same FRED chart. But I mean it was pretty obvious you just shitting out some blue links and word salad to make it seem like you aren't a total retard. Now we could talk about long term trends, how unemployment metrics only capture looking for work, dont capture decline in full time work, or what historically these rates mean in terms of job stagnation. We could look at U-6 rates accelerating, we could look at increase of people not seeking employment not in the metric, we could look at LISEP metrics which strip out a bunch if the BS. We could also talk about trending rates. For example saying historical average is 5.7% primarily for the post WWII period, we could then go but the last decade has trended 4.8% post GFC, with the covid recover at 4%. But none of that matters, because since you are so concerned with making sure "my big words" get out, let's talk about words. And what you responded to. Jobs are disappearing, to which your current claim is its below historical average. Yes, but above our local. So if you look at that graph, which direction is that line going? And follow up, in my statement is it "employment is higher than ever" or is it "jobs are disappearing". Which statement would correspond to a historical comparison, which one corresponds to a trend? What direction is that trend since the 50 year post covid historical low. > Jobs aren't "disappearing," we're still very much near all-time low unemployment. Ill let you ponder how stupid this sounds, in a fun cookie format. Historically the cookie jar usually has about 20 cookies in it, lately it had 30 cookies, your fat ass eats 9. What happened to those cookies? The cookie jar does have more cookies at 21 than historically, so I guess those 9 cookies just never existed. If you can work this out, you can eat the 10th cookie.

Loan-Pickle

Ehh congress long ago abdicated that responsibility. The last time congress declared war was WWII and we have been in lots of wars since then.

Fresh_Internal_6085

I understand all that. The way I read the other comment was that the person was implying WWIII would be different because nukes would be used, not realizing they were deployed in WWII as well.

Fresh_Internal_6085

There was 2 nukes dropped in WWII..

Apple-Dust

The markets have pushed higher under every president in the last half a century kid, that means nothing. What is different this time is the weakenening US economy and weakest global position of the US since before WWII ended. My gold has been significantly outperforming the market btw.

EventHorizonbyGA

You're close. If a company has cash flow and growth there is rarely a need to give up equity to raise capital and if there is there is enough capital in the private markets that a company wouldn't need to become public. A bank will loan you money or you can raise in the bond market. Becoming public is very expensive and has quite a lot of running costs. Companies only go IPO because the business model doesn't work, or is very unlikely to work (Apple, Microsoft, Amazon and the 3000 other companies that went to zero since 1978), or if there is a legal reason, divorce, partnership break-up exit, near bankruptcy, etc (Disney, etc), or if the owners (usually family) want to cash out now and not wait (KO, COKE.) If you make money, you don't need to borrow (Arizona Tea.) If you need to borrow and can borrow without losing equity, you do that (Chick Fil A, Quick Trip, etc.) If you raise capital from one investor and not have to deal with the SEC, you do that. If you can't do those then you have no other choice but go IPO... or go broke. The public sector is the last stop. When companies go IPO that means they can't raise capital anymore in any other way. Now, an IPO is BOTH a capital infusion as the company sells shares AND an exit for early investors. The public sector is where companies go to die. On rare (very rare occasions) they manage to survive and usually it's because of money printing which is something the US did in 1951 post WWII and since the 1980s.

Stunning-Dig-8916

MM understand that all major wars bottom in the first tenth the way through. Markets in WWII bottomed in the first 5 months.

Paul_Robert_

Man, Oppenheimer, Barbie, and Godzilla minus one were a nice trio of banger movies. In a way, Godzilla minus one was Japan's perspective of WWII. Well... Plus a giant kaiju...

Outrageous_Zebra_221

Yeah plus the two that ended WWII were firecrackers compared to what we have now.

LadyRed4Justice

They really do not have a choice as Iran has already proved they do control the Strait which is within their territorial boundaries. Like Panama controls the Panama Canal. The orange minion will have to retreat from this war. Iran will NOT back down. They would destroy their own facilities before they let the US take it. Doing so would destroy a huge portion of the oil leaving the strait. They will never back down anymore than anyone in the US would back down if we were invaded and held hostage. We have paid reparations in most conflicts we have been in. Who do you think provided the money to rebuild Japan after WWII? And most every conflict since.

nunchyabeeswax

Not just their home, but also the home of other nation states through the Arabian's Peninsula's history. Iran only holds one side of the chokepoint. The other is owned by the current polity of Oman. Moreover, ever since the end of WWII, all the nations of the world had a guaranteed "Freedom of the Seas" - commercial ships are free to travel even in territorial waters so long as they are purely commercial and in transit. That was perhaps the number 1 guarantee to global order - most regional and global wars before WW1 involved access to the seas to one degree or another. This idiotic confrontation between three powers has likely changed the security architecture the world has used for 80 years. Art of the Deal.

Stunning-Dig-8916

Just a reminder that the last 7 major wars since WWII all hit the bottom within the first 10% of the conflict.

McKoijion

The "Board of Peace" is the most genocidal organization since WWII.

strutt3r

Never stopped the US historically. More bombs were dropped on North Korea than all munitions in WWII put together. Even more bombs were dropped on Laos. "National Security" just means private enterprise's unimpeded extraction of profit

Key_Lifeguard_8659

If he's the first president to use nukes since WWII, pretty sure he can drop any hope of getting his Nobel Peace Prize. He'll still have his base though. They'll never quit him.

ProofByVerbosity

Ground troops won't change shit. Its a huge country with a challenging terrain. Every U.S. ground mission has failed and this wpuld be likely thier biggest challenge since WWII

ZooZooChaCha

He is just vain enough to be upset the only president to get to hit the red button was a Democrat. REALLY wants to be the first one to do it since WWII.

WrexyWrex

I talked to a guy who was in WWII last month. He was 99 years old. He told me all about his life like he remembers arriving in Italy after Pearl Harbor. This guy was 99 years old and both his parents died in their 50s. He said both of his parents would have lived way longer with the medical advancements we have today. There is no precedent for people living this long, and we aren't paying attention to how the mind is deteriorating. Just because these ghouls are walking around doesn't mean we should be taking their advice.

Ancient-Swordfish292

The allies firebombed entire cities in WWII. Cities with people in them, who burned alive. After the war ended, Curtis LeMay, who ordered a bunch of this, said, "If we had lost the war, we would have been tried as war criminals."

karuchkov

I mean yeah sure, and im not suggesting anyone try to time the market. But jesus christ the world is in an unpresidented place right now. The entire world order thats been at play since WWII has collapsed.

Boomer_With_Dementia

The world is working around it's 🥭 problem. Zelensky has made security deals with Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar and Syria. He has met with Erdogan of Turkey. Italy, France, Spain, and the UK are working hard to avoid being seen as on our side in this conflict so that they can negotiate reasonably for access to goods and oil shipped through the Strait of Hormuz. China as a customer and obviously some providers have been executing oil transactions in Yuan instead of dollars. France has sided with with Russia and China against us in the security council. Not that France overall loves Russia or China, but there are points of agreement. The gulf states have learned that US guarantees of security ring hollow vs cheap drones. What this means for investing? In a recession everything drops so maybe cash gang for now. If there is some stability in the future then non US defense stocks, gold. Gold for the erosion of the dollar system. Defense stock for the end of the post WWII world order. As for mid level countries that have resources and decent economies, in North America I suspect multinationals are more likely to invest there rather than here. If the US stabilizes and our relationship with Canada stabilizes then they get the benefit of access to our market. If not, well at least they will have Canada. Developing here directly is to risky given 🥭 chaos. I assume we are seeing the development of alliances and arrangements to work around the US in all ways, financial and defense wise.

Candid_Payment_4094

The US hasn't won a true war since WWII lol (war wasn't declared in the Gulf war)

Purple-Coyote-6122

I fear the peace we have had since WWII is about to come to an end. US is in decline, dollar is wobbling, POTUS and his cronies are digging gold by the shovels at expense of regular folks and quite literally the creditworthiness of this country. Godspeed regards, pray we never live to see nuclear weapons going off.

SatisfactionBest7140

To my knowledge, the disinvestment from the US that we are now seeing and the level of distrust in the US by former US allies is unprecedented (since at least WWII). Both are a direct consequence of this administration's policies. Please correct me if I'm wrong (by including specific evidence to the contrary).

SonOfLuigi

In the context of human history, the United States is just the next great empire, the idealistic vision of America post WWII has been shattered and what’s left is a global superpower that has acted just like every other superpower in history. We make mistakes and do terrible things for the purpose of maintaining trade and our grip on power. Every empire gets into quagmires, commits atrocities, etc. I genuinely wish we were better. All that said, my point had nothing to do with right or wrong. It’s a simple statement that the United States military has operated with a level of expertise that is unmatched in human history and on a completely different playing field than anyone else is capable of. Seeing the military unveil what it has been practicing and sharpening for the last 15+ years is awe inspiring, the advancement since our last major military operations is absurd, and what we did in Iraq in 2003 was absurd then too. Hate it all you want, it’s incredible.

sweeetscience

Correct on all counts lol I’ve argued many times to my fellow Americans that our geography has always been our greatest advantage. It was the single factor that allowed the US to attain superpower status after WWII - we were the only major global economy that hadn’t been almost completely destroyed simply because it was militarily impractical to even consider a large-scale invasion of the US. We became a superpower by happenstance, and then spent the next 75 years squandering our position through clandestine an overt bullying.

ChollyWheels

\> are you all buying into this crazy market? Fuck, NO! Do you have ANY concept of the cataclysm that's coming? A huge percentage of the world's ability to produce and ship fossil fuels, fertilizer and helium are GONE. If the war stopped this second it will take the world years to recover, with hunger, severe semi-conductor shortages, and MRI scanning less available. And EVERYTHING will be more expensive. And the world will not forget -- it is rapidly organizing in solidarity against the USA, and to cooperate with each other. And the war is more likely to get much worse before it stops. This is not a "dip" -- it is as big a change (no: bigger) as the fall of royalty after WWI, the fall of the British empire and end of the pound sterling as reserve currency after WWII. No one knows yet what the new world will look like, but it will look different. So what's safe? No clear answer to that. Select stocks may do well. One can guess: CF - a USA profitable producer of fertilizer, or maybe companies that produce helium or rare earths. Gold or silver, maybe. With CDs you at least get interest, but on the dollar who's decline in value (if that happens) may be greater, so the net effect after interest if you have LESS. Personally I'm stocking up on cans of beans.

redditmodsRrussians

Eventually we just gonna go back to using wood gliders like in WWII

TheoryInttro

Purging the military of non-toadies like Stalin did before WWII points to you being right about that. Stalin nearly lost the Motherland because that's what firing everyone competent does; if he hadn't purged the officer corps the German invasion wouldn't have gotten half as far as it did. Extrapolating to the current clusterfuck, purging every competent war planner and replacing them with air farce, chair jockeys and drunken news hosts is unlikely to end well.

LA-Aron

I think you're right. I think this has been on the US docket for decades. From a documented standpoint, the export terminals in the Gulf have been publicly known about since 2014....the conversations did not start then, could have started as far back as the 1930's, post WWII. Israel was created in 1948, partly to help the US with Middle East influence. We (us and Britain) overthrew Iran's leader in 1953. Look at the stock charts during our invasions of the Middle East - you will see a strong correlation with energy stocks and nuclear. Trump, Putin and Bibi are running the world right now. The United States was fully aware how Iran would respond, we wanted that response - why? What's the effect. (1) Russia is reestablished as a global energy superpower by default, they win big. (2) The United States is also now going to become a monster in the oil/lng game. (3) China will still get oil from Iran, we don't care. (4) Iran wins but we don't care because we got what we want. Also, our friends in Saudi got pipeline, they're fine. And we've already greased Qatar in advance. (5) Indirectly, this is an attack on Europe. They're going to get crushed by energy prices and inflation. From Russia's perspective, this is a huge win. (6) There are also some big oil billionaire political backers who are also going to do quite well with the price increases.(7) We are now in control of our own destiny for energy moving forward and have gained an edge on the world. The negatives: (1) Inflation will likely go higher than most of us have seen or will ever see. (2) A recession will almost have to happen in response, prices can't keep running forever. (3) Hard to trust the US moving forward. (4) This is bad for most people, good for very few. Look at the oil chart over time, look at Oxy, other Co's. To me, I see a big fat move that started 30 years ago, and this is the final leg up and it's going to be massive.

plannedgravy

They are at war, what did you expect? You’d be a complete dumbass to allow your own citizens to do BDA for the enemy. In WWII, Brits published articles about V2s landing short. The rockets were hitting dead center of London, but the news articles tricked the Germans to increasing their rockets range.

C2theC

China has its Marshall Plan, the Belt-and-Road Initiative. Even without a major conflict like WWII, the USD slowly ceding its status as the global reserve currency is not going to be good for anyone holding USD over the long term.

ECom_Finance_Guy

Fair point. Implicit in my opinion is the belief that the US won’t suffer a dramatic defeat à la Great Britain in WWII. But anything could happen. I think the Us is in a better position geographically to avoid something like that, but we will see

GearTwunk

Oh. Sorry for helping end WWII, I guess.

Retaining-Wall

Modern war has always spooked me, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't get in a time machine to go and experience first-hand WWII. But I'm also a huge 20th century history nerd, and would probably regret my decision to get in the time machine when I come back with shellshock.

staythewaters

Trump said he wanted to shift to a war economy, probably to mimic WW2 style expansion. But if he uses that budget to turn around and destroy energy infrastructure or try to "take it" like he keeps threatening, then that just makes it a wash. Higher energy prices means higher prices on manufacturing and logistics, means margins start getting eaten into. Paired with the fact that much of the war spending in WWII went toward giving direct aid to rebuilding countries to bring them under the US' sphere of influence, which aided in our own expansion. If you're just spending money on military expansionism and blowing shit up, you're not going to get any return back.

CoughRock

they are forced to give up all the colonies due to the crushing WWII debt. Before it was the reserve currency supply and bank of the world. Let this be a lesson on excessive borrowing and running huge national deficit to the next reserve currency nation.

marsman706

Since it says from 1946 onward, its probably to help with rebuilding after WWII. Same with the UK

Dont-be-a-cupid

"lol, Trump and Putin are just burning down the post WWII order." That happened long ago for the global south. Every US president from the cold war onwards has played their part. And European cowardice after Iraq just emboldened Putin.

Character_Minimum989

Ya Iran never ratified UNCLOS so tough shit, post WWII order lol, that includes US invading several countries right?

ChaseballBat

Didn't the CIA set up the current leadership in Iran decades after WWII?

Current-Function-729

It’s an international waterway. lol, Trump and Putin are just burning down the post WWII order.

Manufactured_feces

My favorite part of the speech was when he compared this war to WWI AND WWII

Spez_is-a-nazi

Demographics spell bad time for Nike and a lot of companies like it. Their growth has always depended on an endlessly increasing number of brand conscious teenagers and young adults who are willing to pay a premium for a brand name on their apparel. In absolute terms the number of teenagers hasn’t been this low in the US in about 40 years, in relative terms it’s never been this low. And the US has one of the better looking population structures in the affluent world. There really isn’t a growth story for Nike.  Honestly I think the market hasn’t yet priced in the demographic realities unfolding. The focus on demographics is mostly around the working age to retiree ratio but there are so many other downstream effects that just aren’t really paid much attention. One is that the consumer base is now no longer endlessly expanding like it has for the past 80 years after WWII. Companies are going to have to shift their mindset in order to grow.

sweeetscience

The US has been the guarantor of _global maritime_ security since WWII, not just this particular strait. The true repricing moment is when everyone realizes that this singular event dismantled that guarantee without an effective or capable replacement. What happens if pirates start seriously threatening the Malaca Strait? Who’s going to do the work to make it safe for commercial traffic? What happens if socialist narco-terrorists start deploying kamikaze USVs outside the Panama Canal? Who would take the lead to break a blockade of Taiwan? Not that anyone bothers to enforce EEZ infringement anyways, but who takes on the responsibility of cracking down on Chinese overfishing by commercial fleets in protected waters (sounds minor until you see the scale of it. It’s a globally shared resource after all and we definitely depend on it like everyone else)? There isn’t a single navy on earth that can do any of these except the US Navy. As of today it is no longer a reliable guarantor. It’s a weird time to be alive for sure

Dorkicus

The last time Congress declared war was WWII. There have been hundreds of military operations since then. The executive branch has been wiping its butt on the Constitution for over 80 years.

GreyMatter22

He basically said how long WWI, WWII, the Korean, and other recent wars are, going from 4 years to decades. And how we are only 32 days in, and that stocks haven't even fallen by that much. Super low energy demeanor. It all sounds how we need to strap in, and face the upcoming oil/energy crisis, which will absolutely lead to a contracting GDP.

redhed16

Comparing the length of this to WWII. oh good.

jersey856

No, I, neither have 98% of ppl on this thread, listened to either man. Should we also listen to African and S American leaders the talk crazy, or just ones that threaten Israel, I mean red herring? We waited until the bitter end to enter WWII don’t see why we couldn’t do the same for 3

FreshestCremeFraiche

Yeah look at the years. Great Depression, WWII, 2008 financial crisis, COVID. These are all surrounding disaster

poozyfloor

No kidding. Let's just dismantle the post WWII era which was the most stable in history. Markets go up.

Funk_Apus

How was Germany’s stock market after WWII? I figure it’s about 50/50 at this point, that is where we will be.

econoDoge

Listen , I hear your concern, WWII War bonds were sold in post offices but we all know mail is evil and full of fraud, that's why these are being sold exclusively on the finest affiliated stores, and just like the millions that were donated to the campaign the funds will go where they are intended and not into a giant talking gold statue in the middle of central park with a casino in the basement and a McD franchise.

coldandhungry123

The Iranian military by way of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and the local militias cannot be killed with an aerial bombardment. That doesn't seem to be the objective. Destroying their capabilities for nukes, greatly damaging their air defenses and degrading their supplies of drones/missiles was a priority and largely that has been accomplished. To a certain extent, we bombed the Axis powers into submission during WWII. Firebombing military and civilian targets in Germany and Japan with such intensity as to produce casualties far exceeding the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The relentless bombing runs by Allies decimated those two countries, which basically had to be rebuilt from scratch.

CoughRock

depend on if the toll is higher than the cost of maintain navy/air force there. Our military contractors aren't exactly know for budget efficient and running under cost. IE: cost of afghan war was around 2.3 trillions. It's going to cost you a huge sum of cash while our nation is running a huge deficit. Not sure if it's worth to pay that much just to protect one man's ego. Let's not forget, Prior to WWII. Great Britain was the world's de facto banking system. Every one borrow from them and has to obey them financially. WWII put them through huge amount of war debt and force borrowing from usa. Effectively gave up their banking power and destroy any ability to maintain oversea colonies. Who's to say the same thing won't happen to us if we escalate this to a world war. The neutral country that finance the next world war will be the winner post war and control the global currency.

DrawMeAPictureOfThis

WWII had a ton of public works programs. WWIII doesn't have a government that will fund productivity

James161324

Tariffs: Well, they are stupid. The question is, who else are you going to trade with? The US makes up 33% of global consumption. Cutting off trade with the US will create a depression in most nations. Military: it's nothing new, the US has been in countless wars since WWII. Internal investment: this is nothing new, and isn't just a US problem. Political instability: A bit of revisionist history. U.S. politics have always been pretty polarizing, and social media makes it seem far worse. Once again, it's also not a US issue either. It sounds like you're highlighting broader global issues that aren't just isolated to the US. Could there be a catch-up trade in international markets of course, is America on the brink of collapse that much more than most other developed countries no.

JakeTappersCat

Why can't we just create synthetic oil like the germans did in WWII? Maybe stocks remembered that and that's why the market is up

JonathanPhillipFox

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As a barrister at Doughty Street Chambers, he specialized in international law, civil liberties, and criminal law, earning distinction as Queen’s Counsel in 2002 and serving as Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) from 2008 to 2013 Yeah that **would have been no fun as a defendant but Etiam Pecatta, Etiam Pecatta, Etiam Pecatta, we've got the Vicar of Christ out there arguing, "I agree** ***so much I agree," to outlaw aerial bombing in warfare internationally, "we have not disarmed in the 108 Years since the First War," and that*** *could be the difference between war becomes* ***just aerial bombing, of just civilian areas, in just total warfare against the entire state society, economy, and culture also from the civilian infastructure*** **out to the front lines of lesser and lesser importance, "or," or,** **People went out for picnics to watch Civil War Battles** 100% certain that they'd been the sickest f\_cks on field, that no one would then do a little Carthage on the Town, "fell in 146 BC," Carthage and from **then up until about Dresden remained the unique example of such behavior all at once and Deliberately, "numerous examples to follow," innumerable** ***and if Chenghis Khan Burnt half the world down he was also a lot more judicious in his approach to the aftermath*** **I'll cite that for the doubters, "I remember when I was like** ***oh that Andrew Tate," and My Own Little Brother won the Bareknuckle Boxing Round Robin Tourney, in Dadaal Suum for Naadam, "just forgot,"*** **but just forget that in the context of, "guys."** **Because these guys are so vulgar, these guys are so gross** *anyone out there see the featherweight champ from the real Mongolia win at UFC this last year, "didn't even ever see an UFC Fight I think," those guys watch Sumo on Satelite from NHK* ***he 100% could have but I don't think he bothered to he fought him for real,*** **"Mongolia is Blessed with an Eternal Blue Sky," real bushi stuff** real real bushi stuff no aerial warfare from Mongolia; there are some boys from America or the UK out there trying to **do the enclosure act, "they've not got one," and I get their intentions** ***you have all the land on paper with anyone, "for sheep*** **that's the project is Real Nice Wool," but franchised like a machine** enclosure act stuff literally, that's what they'd told their uncle or somesuch, "out the Gobi there is an Apotheosis of War Statue," a real one made of all the Shin Gunto Blades of the **entire Japanese Land Invasion of WWII, "they'd just dissapeared," it's out in the Gobi and if you consider that they're made from House Blades of Samurai, that all of them Japan got cut in half and those just piled up the desert I'd bet I dunno** **Several Hundred Million, might be, those swords, "doesn't matter," Mongolia is blessed with an eternal blue sky; not a problem** those kids from I hear, "not a problem," as wicked as that plan is **I do have the former president of Mongolia's personal chess set and Family Photo Album as a result of what happens when politics becomes** ***involuntary, there, "Rory Stewart stuff," and yes literally, both still REAK of fire they've been a wood box for years now, like*** I say, Let the Coward Keir Starmer apologize for this mess he got us all into, "as I recall he'd done this," how it goes, really, **no one remembers who broke the window at the Phillips 66 Gas Station Robbery, but, it is always a guy** ***a lot like Keir Starmer***

Arhys

The USA really pissed on everything built in terms of international diplomacy and rules built ever since the WWII. I know it wasn't perfect but now it's basically worthless. I hope when the rebuilding is finished there are no longer permanent members of the Security Council or at least there is a working mechanism to shut them down when they or their allies/vassals commit transgressions.

floridabeach9

“far worse” tarriffs and russia invading ukraine werent worse than this, and covid was obviously just a bad 3 months. this has potential to be much worse than anything we’ve experienced since WWII. if the red sea and persian gulf BOTH get locked down, it 100% will be.

CantaloupeSea48

Pretty much. They are all PUUUsies. Poland is the only one with balls any more. They remember WWII. Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Nervous_Building109

A total US victory Total surrender and elimination of the Iranian government New Iranian government that is friendly like Germany and Japan after WWII We need boots on the ground. Let's go!

Complaintsdept123

There is no evidence after WWII of any nuclear country using their nukes. Why is this situation any different?

Exact_Entrepreneur66

You can go pretty much go to any reputable newspaper(US as well as international) as well as social media and check it out yourself.....There were no videos of nazis mass murdering in WWII, so by your logic you shouldn't believe in the number of people they said died in WWII?

asetniop

>The Soviet Union sustained around 27 million total deaths (8.7M military, 19M civilians), while Germany lost roughly 5.3 to 7.4 million people... By your logic Germany beat the Soviets in WWII.

PJM123456

Because the number of people that change their own oil, let alone fix their own cars is approaching thw number of surviving WWII vets. And I’m a grease monkey in my spare time.

ButtCoinBuzz

The US will need to commit troop numbers significantly greater than the 2007 surge to hold the Straight meaningfully. The US will need to hold enough terrotory inland to make strikes on occupied coastlines areas difficult. I don't see these objectives being accomplished without a draft and casualty numbers we havent seen since WWII. I dont think the petrodollar was a concern here. In fact, I dont think any serious analysis or consideration for global balance, hegemony happened. This was pure hubris gone too far. I foresee this war lasting well into the next administration.

yasashinosegei

Maybe they will execute the last protocol the Japanese government announced but failed to do at the end of WWII. I believe the unofficial name was ‘ichioku gyokusa’, roughly translatable to 100 million shattered jewels, meaning sacrificing the entirety of the 100 million Japanese population to resist their enemies. Iran’s last census has them at 93 million, so it wouldn’t be that far off if they went with it.

westchesterbuild

When I was 9, my grandfather, who landed in Normandy, during the second wave, suffered a heart attack. I was into WWII Tamiya models at the time and built him a Spitfire model for him. He kept it at his bedside in the hospital and then in their home til he passed decades later. These dickheads never saw combat, dodged drafts, manipulate our life savings, rape children and give each other awards for it. No Kings

artificialidentity3

I mean I hear you and the condescending tone you're using with the 😂, but let me ask you a question… why is it actually amusing to you? I’m an American and I’ve been voting for decades and fighting against this kind of shit with actual actions. I’ve educated myself and I’ve educated hundreds of other people. I’ve tried really hard to make a good and positive difference in this world. But I guess I deserve whatever is coming to me at the hands of the current administration because I’m an American, right? In the same way that all the Germans who got killed in WWII, whether or not they were the ones being persecuted or the ones doing the murdering, deserved it - because they were Germans? Where’s your empathy? Do you think that the American people of color who are being deported or imprisoned for no other reason than their skin color "deserve all of it"? I mean, isn’t this problem serious and worthy of more than mockery? Aren’t you worried about people of nations around the world who are affected by this disgusting regime that is now running the United States of America? I know I am. But I guess as long as we can reduce it to a 🤣 and laugh at the "Americans" it’s all good right?

_BMS

All they had to do was not invade China and they would've never experienced the US oil embargo that ultimately led to WWII and their cataclysmic defeat.

Full_Boysenberry_198

“Worst since WWII” SELL SELL SELL

ryanvsrobots

> "Only 33%" that's a huge percentage if you knew anything about the military and military operations. Over a quarter of their arsenal destroyed in weeks. Compare that to ours which is probably not even a fraction of a percent. Iran has destroyed several THAAD and other highly advanced radar systems which combined with our arms cost more than the 33% we destroyed and are effectively irreplaceable. Iran can still build missiles at a high rate and is being resupplied by allies like China and Russia. >Their military is panicking and attacking everyone nearby with no clear, strong leadership. That's a feature, not a bug. This strategy has been highly effective for them, resulting in much of the world condemning this US venture into Iran and isolating us from our Allies. Trump is the one panicking, asking NATO for help and having tantrums when they refuse. >Power has moved from up top to individual commanders doing whatever they want. This also has been highly effective, resulting in Iran's complete control over the strait. >If we killed Hitler and his second in command took over would you say that's a failure? No. Hitlers dead = good thing If we killed hitler and WWII continued unchanged? Yes that would be a failure, because the **goal** would be end the war, not just kill hitler. **Again, I am talking about GOALS not "good things."** You keep focusing on "good things" those are not goals. >And yes the straight of hormuz is now a secondary goal but that's not what the war is about that's just a side effect. It's not a secondary goal it's a fucking disaster and it's now our primary goal. Iran now has MORE power than it did before the war started. US blowing some shit up means nothing. The world is not any safer. Everything is more expensive. **We are all worse off. We have no plan on how to achieve success and like you our leadership is unable to define what success even is. The war so far is a failure.**

McKoijion

The best indicator to sell every single stock you own is how much effort Reddit's owners and executives are putting into promoting the war and censoring criticism of America's greatest, and now only, "ally." At least half of my comments here can't make it past the filter. The same thing applies to every other social and traditional media outlet in the US. I've never seen this much propaganda and censorship in my entire life. There's gonna be a massive reckoning over this similar to how WWII ended. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Huffman#Personal_life

MrTemecula

This is a US war. We started it. We killed the Iranian leadership. We killed over 1,000 Iranians. We gave the world no choice at all. This is our war. Trump calls this America First. It's America Alone. He's thrown away a world order which we basically ran since WWII.

GhostofBreadDragons

The reason for the American highway system is that Eisenhower saw how vulnerable the train lines were in WWII. This doesn’t mean you roads are safe. It just means that it is a lot harder to disrupt roads.  The same goes for renewable energy vs no renewable energy. Renewable energy is vulnerable to disruption as well, but it is less vulnerable than oil. You can still damage solar panels or windmills but they don’t have the same supply line problems of oil. They don’t require the tankers, refineries, power plants or pipelines. It’s a matter of how vulnerable something is not if it is invulnerable or not. Renewables are less dependent on supply lines and less toxic when damaged. Solar is safer than oil refineries and when damaged solar doesn’t pollute the earth. 

Ok-Barracuda39

Anyone want to join together to pool resources to buy a 200-300 acre plot of forest in the upper midwest? I can contribute by handling all of our networking/videogaming/IT needs as well as making a mean pizza and burgers. I also bring some student loan debt and a small collection of WWI and WWII firearms.

Playful_Stick488

Thats because the war machine is turning. Which makes everything else turn. Its slow getting started but once moving it makes the economy just buzz along. Thats what end the depression in the early 40's was WWII.

rbt321

Not always. USA paid reparations to Spain and Mexico after winning those wars; effectively paid for land after taking it. USA also provided assistance to West Germany and Italy after WWII.

ChaseballBat

No the mines are WWII era cartoon bombs, that is all that exists!

PowerfulHomework6770

I think mining technology has improved since WWII, you can switch off the sensors remotely (they just better hope nobody hacks them)... saw it on a youtube video or some shit

Critical_Concert_689

tbh, you're describing a niche perception pushed by a very small group of western radicals, primarily elitists pushing a savior's narrative. Literally no one sensible is comparing this conflict to WWII. Claiming Iranians support their regime is like claiming 50501 protestors are supportive of Trump, after he (hypothetically) ordered troops to mow them down; it's an argument that makes zero logical sense.

FancifulLaserbeam

That was a description of Iraq, not Iran. There's basically the pro-theocracy people and the anti-theocracy people. What I keep wondering, though, is how big the proportions of the total population each one is. We're kind of led to believe that the Islamist faction is some kind of detested minority, but I'm of the long-considered opinion that *all* governments are democratic, because if people don't like theirs, they always outnumber it and can replace it. It's not like the police and military are recruited from some separate population or grown in the lab to the mullahs' specs; these people are just normal Iranian people. So my question is not whether we needed to stop Iran from getting nukes, especially when we now know that they were lying about their missile stockpiles and range, but whether we can put an end to that with precision strikes and wiping out the military. I think that what we actually would need to do is a full invasion, occupation, hanging of the establishment leadership, set up a puppet state and make it popular, and make sure everything is running smoothly before mostly pulling out, which is what we did after WWII with both Germany and Japan. It was phenomenally expensive, but we could afford it because we were the last man standing, and both Germany and Japan are much more culturally similar (Japan may look/seem different, but it's basically the UK of East Asia—source: I've lived here for over 20 years) to the US. I don't think Trump et al. are really *dumb* (well... Hegseth doesn't strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed...), but I *do* think that whomever wargamed this underestimated Iran's willingness to just soak up abuse and keep fighting. It's the difference between a political war and a religious one. The truly religious cannot be rational.

LegitimateSituation4

Yeah, but they also smugly say "we haven't actually had a declared war since WWII!" But then go silent when asking "okay, so what was meant by 'no new wars,' then?"

McKoijion

The revolted against the British Empire after WWII.

AnnoyingEditor

Great depression did happen right before WWII 🤔

BellacosePlayer

I post a lot in shitpost subs and History subs discussing WWII. the reddit ban AI does not like me very much, no.

Tanpopomon

1. Get into office by framing it as a battle between the people and the elite. 2. Blame certain groups of people that could be considered "outsiders" for various problems. 3. Develop a branch of the government to get rid of those groups forcibly. 4. Start to call anyone against him "delusional", "egotistical", or "incompetent". 5. Start literally demanding other countries for their land. 6. Start a war and threaten to eradicate an entire group of people. 7. Half the country still supports The German stockmarkets rose considerably during the beginning of WWII, then went flat for a few years, then tanked to Hell towards the end.

Melonskal

> Orange man ready to create largest humanitarian and economic disaster since WWII I am serious about this, are you retarded?

sleepystockmarket

History gives us a reasonable template here. During WWII, the obvious beneficiaries were defense contractors and steel, but what held up quietly were utilities, food processing, tobacco, and railroads - things with inelastic demand. People still needed to eat, heat their homes, and move goods regardless of what was happening in the Pacific. The Korean and Gulf War periods tell a similar story. Energy spiked, defense did well, but the companies that simply kept collecting recurring fees - insurance premiums, utility bills, essential logistics contracts - tended to preserve capital better than most. Not spectacular gains, but they didn't crater either. Your toll-booth framing is historically accurate. The businesses that survived every cycle tend to share one trait: the customer has no real alternative and can't easily defer the purchase. Payroll has to run. Cybersecurity can't be switched off. Waste gets collected regardless of headlines. The one caveat history keeps throwing up: even resilient sectors can get hit by the recession that often follows the initial shock. Defense spending goes up, but consumer staples can still compress margins if supply chains break. Resilient isn't the same as uncorrelated - it just means the floor tends to be higher. Curious what names you're finding that fit the toll-booth model outside the obvious defense plays.

Spez_is-a-nazi

Orange man ready to create largest humanitarian and economic disaster since WWII in order to get exact same deal brown man got but with his name on it instead. Nikkei down 4% and counting.

Quietabandon

The US can invade a lot of countries, but historically has only rarely invaded. A change in the equation is a disruption of post WWII stability and order and would definitely threaten the global stability that modern economic systems depend on. 

poorman_stocks

This is one of the most common psychological traps in investing, and it's worth naming it directly: geopolitical anxiety causes people to hold cash waiting for "clarity" that never comes, and they miss years of compounding. Here's the historical pattern: markets have operated through WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf Wars, 9/11, Russia-Ukraine, and dozens of other conflicts. In virtually every case, investors who waited for the conflict to "resolve before buying" either missed the recovery or bought at higher prices after everyone felt safe again. A few frameworks that help: 1. Dollar-cost averaging (DCA) removes the timing question entirely. Instead of asking "should I buy now?" you invest a fixed amount every month regardless of headlines. You automatically buy more shares when prices are low and fewer when they're high. Over time, this beats most market timing attempts. 2. Ask what the market already prices in. War risk, energy disruption, and geopolitical uncertainty are already partially reflected in current valuations. When everyone is scared, stocks often have more margin of safety, not less. 3. Separate your time horizons. If you need money in 2-3 years, keep it in cash or short-term bonds — this isn't the question. If you're investing for 10+ years, short-term geopolitical events historically have minimal impact on long-term compounding. The question "what would you do if the war continues past 2026?" has a straightforward answer: the same disciplined investing you'd do if it ended tomorrow. DCA into diversified assets and let time do the work.

BaronVonMittersill

ends justify the means. pax americana has a cost. europe or any else could step up and do it. but they don’t. the quality of life most first world countries enjoy is directly the result of the post WWII american military hegemony. as much as it would be nice if everyone could sit in a circle and sing kumbaya, that’s not how the world works.

gdkod

Russia was never considered a post-WWII superpower. Soviet Union - yes, not russia.

JustGiveMeANameDamn

We haven’t been at “war” since WWII though. This is just a special military operation lol

Common-Second-1075

> "Oil spiked before every major US recession post WWII" That's not true. I think you're thinking of the previously true statistic that every m time oil prices have spiked 50% a US recession has followed. Which used to be true, until 2022 when the price spiked by more and there was no resulting recession (also one of the only time the yield curve inverted and there was no recession). For reference, there was no oil price shock before the following US recessions: - 1960-61 - 2001 - 2020

EarthquakeCrater

Say what you will about Tom Nash but he said markets bottom within 35 days of US foreign skirmishes starting (since WWII). We have 2-3 weeks to lows.

Pretty-Balance-Sheet

I'm close to early retirement (or was, lol). Not as old as you, but not far off. I went 50% cash last Monday. I was still up 30% yoy and even after being down 4% from my ATH. I'll start buying back in when we hit -8%. If we hit -20% I'll go fully back in unless things are looking genuinely worse. Not that anyone asked but ,y take is that Trump's in way over his head. He can't just cancel this war like he canceled tariffs to pump the market. I believe that Trump's handlers Israel and Russia both benefit from this action and that both have compromising material on DJT, so even if he could back out gracefully or otherwise he won't. 4,400 marines headed to the gulf. Boots on the ground in less than a week. We have zero leverage in this fight other than brute force and we've seen military fail over and over and over again since WWII. Iran can keep hitting energy infrastructure with $40k drones. If the US takes Iranian territory to open the Straight they'll keep flying those drones into refineries. Trump's mental illness and $5m in drones might crash the entire world's economy and frustrate a $1T military built to fight hypersonic jets, not cheap fiberglass flying bombs...