DJIA

usa_reddit

The market is a big game based on "greater fool theory" and retail investors are insignificant to the marker (as far as I can tell). Our only use is to feed HFT high frequency trading computers, where our stock is bought and sold 1,000 times in a millisecond each time we make a trade. It is tough to outperform the big ETFs like VOO but with AI and a human brain I now think it is possible. What can AI do? AI can quickly scan the global news and give you potential impact on the markets. It can also scan the market and tell you where money is rotating. If you synthesize all the information you receive into an investing thesis AIs like perplexity can really help and tell you when you are betting against yourself and how to potentially rebalance to hedge on risk. AI can also help you identify "fat pitches" like Microsoft last week and momentum trades where you get in out on the same day. I don't think you need to trade everyday to make big gains, but you need market summaries and news summaries that validate your investing thesis to make sure you thesis is on track. For example, Middle East peace would invalidate an energy thesis. Also, you will find things out like California is working on getting half of it's electrical power from solar and in response to national security threats the FCC has banned all Chinesium invertors (the things that make solar panels connect to the grid). Personally, I want to get into the 20+% annual return club and right now I am beating all three big ETFs but they are hot on my heels. My advice is to figure out your investing strategy so you aren't thrashing and all over the place. Use AI to help you with situational awareness in global events and finance news. Monitor it daily, I shoot for lunchtime. Try to wrap up your trading day by 2-2:30 because the market can often drop quickly at the end of the day, I am assuming it is people taking profits. Help AI identify fat pitches. Don't feel like you have to do something, sometimes the best thing to do is nothing and wait for the opportunity. If you must do something in put in lowball bids and try to catch drops in after hours trading. I haven't moved into options trading yet but it could be on the horizon. Here are the numbers for the BIG ETFs YTD August 2 VOO YTD 9.29% DJIA YTD 8.45% NASDAQ YTD 9.20% If you have any other ideas please let me know. I am looking at setting up OpenBB, but have no idea what to do with all the data or how to filter what is important. I am going to either find a class or have AI tutor me. Best of luck, we are all in the same boat if it makes you feel any better. We all feel the pressure of running out of money in the USA while our government continues to spend like drunken sailors and slash programs and subsidies.

antwon8797

Look at Nasdaq, it always starts with the hyped index. Too much margin trading in the hype. You can look back at any bubble burst and it’s always the same story, bubble sector goes first, people start moving away from hype towards safer staples (pushing DJIA and S&P up a little more), then margin-calls accelerate losses, sharp sell offs then drags everything else down with it. Every bubble is slightly different with sectors, but one thing is almost always a common cause- debt. Regardless of whether it is mortgage bonds, .com, 1929, tulip mania, etc. It always collapses because there isn’t enough real money to compensate for debt losses when hype fuels over leverage. We hit that point a few months ago, and have now exceeded .com level… https://preview.redd.it/fbsb4mlytrgh1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d1d6dfc9c79524b649e641e1d7189bfdaedc3f5

imustbegthequestion

They should go ahead and just list rddt on the DJIA.

tachyonvelocity

Nasdaq -2%, Semis -5%, DJIA almost flat. Same thing tomorrow in the other direction, and every day for the next year.

Cruian

I'm guessing you mean S&P 500? S&P are a company that have many different indexes, not only the 500 (that's the 400, 600, and at least 1 international, but none of these are as popular as the 500). International (both developed and emerging markets) and the US extended market would diversify further within stocks. DOW as in the DJIA (similar to S&P, Dow also has more than 1 index)? Likely already fully included inside S&P 500 (so this would decrease, not increase, diversification).

Opening_Ad5479

WTF are you talking about 90% lol...the 2008 crash was 54% for the DJIA and 57% for the S&P 500 If your portfolio is doing that, you're doing it wrong

pickle9977

lol I’ve worked with real actuaries, ones with real experience that do real risk modeling. You clearly don’t learn, you refer to me both as little and a man neither are things you know. The hallmark of a good actuary is knowing what you know, what you can know and what you can’t know. It’s core to the friggen definition of risk, but here you are, behaving like a nincompoop again. The DJIA has not meaningfully grown since the late 1950s with out changing its membership. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that a return attributed to an index that is calculated over time based on that value of that index, the components of that index are critical to understanding the correctness of the calculated return. Apparently this is still beyond you though, so god speed bag holder, I salute your arrogance and hubris may they serve you well as you cry over how rich you thought you were but never will be. At the end of the day the true measure of an investment is not what it will be worth tomorrow or what it is worth today, it’s when you actually cash it out materialize the returns. Everything else is just paper, prediction and hope. And hope is not a good investment strategy, you would know that if you actually understood ANYTHING about risk. 🫡

Rare-ish_Birb

ya. And the 30 year treasury yield is headed for 5% in anticipation. Puts on regional banks, small caps, large banks...aw hell - any financial institution holding treasuries, and Financials heavy DJIA.

rscott1972

Fundamental rules are broken. In 1994 DJIA across the 30 stocks was a valuation of $3,860 with an annual present value of $108.50 earnings per year but with an implied $321.67 annual earnings allowing for a P/E of 12. 2026 DJIA across the 30 stocks is valued at $52,000 with annual present earnings of $339.41 but implied earnings are $1,646.67 for a P/E of 30. If you subscribe to fundamentals you may understand that in 1994 forward earnings would be three times current earnings 30 years into the future. And it was correct, because in 2026 DJIA did eventually earn the $339.41. But it will never ever reach the implied $1,646.67 earnings and therefore fundamentally the stock market is broken, rules are not in effect. The earnings don't materialize meaning P/E just keeps climbing because 401K momentum keeps buying the lie that earnings will eventually happen and they never will. Math is very simple, earnings times some arbitrary multiple equals price. That arbitrary multiple is a pure guess. Any number higher than 8 is wrong. In a crash, the number goes to 5 or lower. If you are going to buy into it at 30 you should be parted from your resources.

Samjabr

Trump only watches the DOW. 50K is his red-line. If DJIA gets near that, go full tilt into calls. works every time, 60% of the time.

Samjabr

Retarded DJIA keeps adding stocks to their index at the peak

hv876

DJIA is adding GOOG for AI trade and you’re bearish?

Demiu

No, DJIA is

LV426acheron

DJIA is an irrelevant zombie propped up by decades of inertia.

NotMe357

"Microsoft officially joined the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) on November 1, 1999, right near the absolute peak of the dot-com bubble." Now its Google turn?!

YourChildhood5762

Does anyone buy the Dow any more? Seems like the DJIA only exists so that newscasts can say "The Dow was down today..."

JohnnyFartmacher

I don't think I've ever seen DJIA choice in the 401Ks I've been in, and haven't ever heard of anyone ever actually owning a DJIA index fund. It's weird how the Dow is the first-mentioned benchmark of the stock market however it is a bad index that no one actually owns.

tachyonvelocity

DJIA up while Nasdaq kaput, DJIA flat while Nasdaq up/down 2%. Story of the AI boom, and will likely keep happening for the next year. If you can't take VOL, then just buy Dow Jones stocks.

Rare-ish_Birb

DJIA is controlled by financials, GS largest constituent. If it lets go, look out below.

ChollyWheels

Writing this at 8AM (E.S.T.) - US and Iran back to mutual bombing - a dangerous escalation - Hormuz closed So naturally... Stock futures UP (DJIA and S*P both around 0.75%) and petroleum down (below $90)

50yoWhiteGuy

Because the DJIA is up 17% over the last year as of today?? Please stop posting about your portfolio/investing if you're this dumb. Not sorry.

SilentDrapeRunning

Well sure, just like the DJIA isn't going to tell you if your personal financial experience as a middle class American is going well this month. These numbers are tracking a much higher level concept than that. You might not have bought much personally this month besides food, housing, and gas but that's not all the American economy is.

Sufficient_Habit5091

Ok DJIA is not a major market. It doesn't mean anything at all IMHO. But agree Equal Weight S&P is up too and R2K is very meaningful.

tachyonvelocity

2 out of 4 major markets are already green, DJIA, Russell2000

savethechows

Axios reporting concepts of an executive order coming to make it unconstitutional for DJIA to dip below $50,000

RichardStrauss123

When Joe Biden took office the DJIA was at 31,000. When he left it was 44,000.

WickOfDeath

I usually stay away from US tech stocks, becuase they are nowadays volatile like pink sheets and penny stocks ... I dont have a problem with the volatiltiy, but with the erratic market mood. Most of the arguments brought against those investments are just absolutely bullshit. Microsoft up 30% within a month and down 30% within a week... scary? Or just a hickup in a long term trend? That paired with quite high stock valuations, where the price is based on the estimation that turnaround, margin and forecasts are growing forever. Looking at the SP500 and the DOW (DJIA) they do... for 90 years. One could even say why do people buy those stocks although they yield you nothing? Why does a Samsung worker gets a bonus 1000 times higher than someone who holds 50 Samsung shares worth an annual engineers salary ? The dividends are often oriented at the IPO price, they are ridiculous. I am an EU investor and once it happened that I earned TWO whole US dollars in dividends on Palantir, then 15% source tax in the US, then FX fees... I got ONE dollar out. 85 cent of an Euro.

EliteAsFuk

>On Obama's last day of office, the DJIA closed at 19,827.25. The DJIA grew 149% during Obama's presidency. >The S&P 500 surged by approximately 166% to 235% during Barack Obama’s two terms in office (January 2009 to January 2017), depending on whether the measurement is taken from the beginning of his inauguration or from the market's bottom during the Great Recession. >President Bill Clinton had the best stock market performance. The S&P 500 grew 210% during Clinton's two-term presidency. The second best performer was Obama, where during his presidency the S&P 500 grew 189%. > [Biden] The economy grew by at least 2.5% each year, with real gross domestic product growth of 2.8% in 2024. All three major U.S. stock indexes set new records. The S&P 500 climbed 57.8%. https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/101314/where-was-dow-jones-when-obama-took-office.asp https://www.macrotrends.net/2482/sp500-performance-by-president Yeah, idk man. I'm a facts guy, not a feels guy. You can take that shit back to the holler where illiteracy rules.

cowboynude

I have $200k in an IRA with no debt at 32 allocated as follows: 80% VT (Core) 17% ASML (Satellite) 3% cash (Powder) If ASML goes over 2100 I take profit and buy VT. If ASML goes to 1500 for cyclical reasons like capex cooldown I sell VT and buy more ASML. If ASML goes to 1500 for structural reasons like China export bans or quantum competition, I sell all and VT and chill until I find a new monopoly satellite. Alternatives I considered to ASML for my satellite: - LEU/BWXT combo (nuke ren picks and shovels with monopolistic upside, but nuke ren is more speculative than continued ai capex… if i was looking to retire at 60 instead of 40 i’d own more LEU). - ASTS (seems like a clearly better product than global star and starlink, although the fundamentals are a mixed bag) - AMAT/LAM (basically the same chip-chokepoint-play as ASML except at a discount because the moat is not as crazy… all three rely on the same 3 buyers (TSMC, Intel, Samsung) who in turn rely on the Megacap capex. I see AMAT/LAM as cheaper riskier little cousins of ASML) Long story short, 80% VT and chill, 0-20% satellite based on conviction (can be literally anything other than VT, doesn’t have to be a stock, it could be the DJIA or the S&P. Just something to test against VT. Whatever you have conviction on. It doesn’t have to be semiconductor wafer fab equipment or small reactor fuel in 2040. It could be Nike ACG driving hype and returning Nike to prominence. At one point my biggest stock holding was the Uniqlo parent company because I really liked Uniqlo. Almost every stock is priced perfectly. Hence the 80% VT. Remember, investing 100% of your portfolio into something like VT is still not “boring.” It’s boring compared to QQQ or individual stocks. But VT is still roulette compared to bonds and mutual funds.

SidewaysFancyPrance

I saw a 900pt increase in the DJIA today with a news headline that it was due to investors rotating from tech into banks/retail. I have no clue how that explains an increase. That's not a pivot. That's something else.

clubdirthill

Market rotation from QQQ to DJIA

actias_selene

Other than DJIA and Nasdaq Composite(not QQQ), all are float weighted or at least adjusted.

Eastern-Joke-7537

Diversify with different stocks. Buy a few shares of each. Let it right. Too many buy/hold index funds but swing trade stocks. Probably not the way to do it — overall indexes move off behavioral psychology. Individual stocks follow the market. The trend is your friend until it’s not. However, at this time, it appears that EVERYTHING is headed for Asset Hyperinflation. Look at the charts. Look at the fundamentals. Gold and silver are probably worth buying too… at some point… maybe if gold spikes again to new highs then suddenly crashes. You could buy in at that low. Don’t over trade index ETFs but don’t under trade either. Just buy less than you think you need and trade a bit less. But take your signals. If you wanna get better you have to start somewhere. Invest in individual stocks each month. Hyperinflation lifts all boats. The indexes will lead individual stocks but you need the 100X stocks to turbo charge your portfolio. I’ve made all the bad trades already so I don’t care as much. About to start buying/trading. Maybe DDM (3X DJIA). If I see a BIG opportunity to swing trade (or buy puts) I will do that. But options were overpriced when I was trading them a few months ago. Especially SLV and GLD as those metals surged into tops then melted down in bear market sell offs. Look at the ticker, check out the charts. Pick up some index ETFs and track them. Find a comparable market in history (is there one?). Pick up a share or 3 or as many stocks as you think sound interesting. Is it worth buying dividend stocks? Who knows. 😂

therealCatnuts

The stock market has always been an overvalued house of cards. Warren Buffett’s “irrational exuberance” quote was in December 1996. The DJIA was 6277.  

DoinIt4DaShorteez

DJIA Jan 2, 1970: 809.20 DJIA Dec 31, 1979: 838.74

Ok_Cry7572

DJIA, S&P 500 and Russell 2000 up 10 of last 13 years on June’s first trading day

pooterssssssssss

why do they even show the DJIA? The RUT(Russell 2000) is what matters... today the Russell is getting decimated.

pooterssssssssss

Anyone know why DJIA is pumping today?

pooterssssssssss

Yes i feel this could be a 1987 style rally. Remember 1987 before the crash? DJIA was up like 30% ytd before Sept 1 1987

Careful_Flamingo6272

It sucks.  I left a comment on the S&P DJIA website for the public consultation on this.   

Good_Application6245

**the year is 2030**: DJIA still consolidated at 49k

jessewalker2

It’s crazy to me that people are saying the stock market doesn’t go up fast enough. If they had invested in the DJIA 39 years ago their money would have multiplied by 22 times even accounting for the Crash of Black Monday, Great Recession, and all the little recessions in between. All of that doesn’t even account for the added earnings in that time. But sure, you bought last week and you’re upset you’re not a millionaire/billionaire/Jeffrey Epstein. And what would happen if it were that easy? You think when everyone is a billionaire you’re still somehow special? Some people are just regarded.

_Blitzer

Now... compare that same $10k invested in a broad market index at exactly the same date... or for the tech stocks, the NASDAQ. Apple's CAGR since it went public is about 20%. The NASDAQ over the same period is about 13%. Consistently beating NASDAQ by 7% is impressive, but not as earth shattering as it looks at face value. Coca cola went public in 1919. it's long term CAGR is about 12%. I think the DJIA is something like 7-10% depending on how you calculate it. Again, impressive, but not earth shattering. Plus, you picked the winners. There are so many more losers out there, which won't beat the market overall.

nigelnyc1

USO at 151...people are selling so they can afford to sit in traffic Memorial Day weekend. Looking for DJIA -700 by morning.

Good_Application6245

nobody talks about how DJIA sits at 49k and wont cross 50k again

XBronx1

SPX and NDX making new highs today but DJIA and RUT look bearish. There are numerous bearish divergences developing that after a small correction and then another new high may be the end of this move up. Bearish divergences: Fewer stocks participating in this rally. Advance-Decline line deteriorating These indices at or above the Bollinger Band associated with tops. Correlation Index deteriorating VIX hasn’t made a new low in 2 years, VXN no new low in months, SVXY not making new highs, UVXY hasn’t taken out it’s low in couple of months since the February stock market highs, HYI (Junk Bond etf) is also not making new high that strongly correlates to stock indices along with SVXY (short VIX or Volatility) Sentiment Index at levels associated with tops 77+. SPX and NDX both in a 3rd wave advance of a 5th and final wave off the 3/30/26 low. All is needed for this 3rd wave to complete, a 4th wave correction, then a final 5th wave of 5 up. Thereafter a larger correction should ensue. The bearish development of both the Dow and the Russell (RUT) will drag down the other indices eventually maybe by week’s end or early next week. Time to lighten up portfolios!

PhysicalConsistency

The hell are you talking about? It's been pumping for a decade. The DJIA was 17,540 on May 9, 2016. It's hovering around 50k today. That has nothing to do with China's oil supply or Hormuz or AI or anything else. Even if the AI bubble popped tomorrow, even if WTI spiked to $150/barrel, even if a comet was on a direct course for earth, it will continue to pump until world war III destabilizes the governments which are enabling this inflation stashing. We learned the worst lesson from the great recession, and that lesson was that shit doesn't have to go down if we don't want it to.

Samjabr

So, turns out they should have left INTC in the DJIA

WickOfDeath

Those AI investors wouldtn spend one trillion dollars into AI datacenters and the bond buyers wouldnt have bought around 600 billion worth of bonds to finance this thing... at the one hand it could go on forever, or it could turn out that AI is a wrong turn. Since most financing and buildouts are betting between a return of invest between 2029 and 2030 those years would be the key, actually the market is a safe bull run for those who make the hardware and sell them to hyperscalers... processors, memory, AI hardware, SSD storage, and think how sensitive Constellation and Uranium Energy reacts on Mag 7 ups and downs... the future AI needs hardware but also electric power, a grid between the power plant and the consuming data center... that is a cluster of technology. Actually that alone drives the stock market up, other sectors are even declining. Look at the Dow index, (DJIA) it is frozen at 49K where the Nasdaq makes one K after another. The Dow is more in health care, credit card companies, industry... and Nvidia. The SP500 has more tech stocks so it is up also. It could happen that the traditional sectors will be up again when the tech sector corrects... and there will be corrections, but it would be far to early to short anyhting, or buying puts. That would be just wasting time value or money so to say.

Taiyoken

the top signal is DJIA passing 50k, as long as it's under we will pump forever

isitdonethen

The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) skyrocketed from 191 in early 1928 to a peak of 381.17 on September 3, 1929. Driven by easy credit, margin buying (investors putting down only 10%), and rampant speculation, stock values quadrupled between 1920 and 1929, completely detaching from underlying economic fundamentals

maomaocat

DJIA doings its best to keep the market up ... just go down, down

user-namepending

The problem is that the economy was **the** top issue for voters in 2024. And Trump uses the DJIA as his personal report card. So everytime the markets perform better than expected these clowns take it as a personal insult

Good_Application6245

the year is 2030 spy is approaching 9000, DJIA still hasnt crossed 50k

user-namepending

There is not a single 401(k) plan that invests in a mutual fund tracking the Nasdaq. Full stop. You are making this up. >im not sure why thats the point you keep overlooking Because it has nothing to do with the post I was responding to. If you paid any bit of attention you would see that the post I was responding to is that retail would be holding the bag. 😒 As if you didnt already have a choice to invest into something other than QQQ or SpaceX. SPX is not being forced into SpaceX, DJIA is not being forced into SpaceX, RUT is not being forced into SpaceX. There is only one single index fund that is buying into SpaceX. And not only is it a choice to not invest in QQQ, there's a pretty damn good one like SPMO which already tracks 100 momentum stocks of the S&P500.

user-namepending

There is not a single 401(k) plan that invests in a mutual fund tracking the Nasdaq. Full stop. You are making this up. >im not sure why thats the point you keep overlooking Because it has nothing to do with the post I was responding to. If you paid any bit of attention you would see that the post I was responding to is that retail would be holding the bag. 😒 As if you didnt already had a choice to invest into something other than QQQ or SpaceX. SPX is not being forced into SpaceX, DJIA is not being forced into SpaceX, RUT is not being forced into SpaceX. There is only one single index fund that is buying into SpaceX. And not only is it a choice to not invest in QQQ, there's a pretty damn good one like SPMO which already tracks 100 momentum stocks of the S&P500.

mudley801

DJIA year close 1912: 87.87 DJIA year close 1932: 59.93

ConsciousStreet-0866

On September 3, 1929 DJIA closed at 381.17. On July 8, 1932 it closed at 41.22, -89% from the peak. It didn't recover back to its previous peak until November 23, 1954 -- exactly 25 years, 2 months, and 20 days.

Odd-Dragonfruit-1186

DJIA is a boomer ticker... nobody cares about the dow here

Dull_Lavishness7701

What does this mean in relation to releasing the epstein files? I only speak DJIA

SirGlass

I didn't think I was implying the USA goverment just the USA economy. >You aren't making more money, Chevron et all is. And Chevron is a USA company based in Houston listed on the NYSE and part of the S&P500 index and part of the DJIA So yes in a discussion why the market is going up one of the reason why is companies like Chevron what is a USA based stock and its part of the S&P500 index and DOW is pushing it up.

jerome-yellen

DJIA up 34 of last 44 April monthly option expiration weeks (next week). Avg wkly gain 1.00%.

Any-Tennis4658

"All time highs"... Before accounting for the Fed printing more money* They are the nominal all time highs, you best hop in, this shits going to the moon (jokes on all of you, I am old enough to recall the DJIA at like 5k, we are already at the moon and beyond!)

Responsible_Knee7632

For the 5th time this month lol. Just look at the monthly DJIA, NASDAQ, and S&P charts

Responsible_Knee7632

Didn’t you hear? The DJIA just hit 50k and we’re talking about war????

portomar

DJIA is up 7% yoy

portomar

What are you talking about? The DJIA is up 7% yoy

SpicyElixer

We’re going to be jan 19 2020 (DJIA 43,487) soon enough. Literally zero gain president. Republicans ruin everything.

3boobsarenice

Brief The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) experienced significant volatility leading up to the Iraq invasion on March 19, 2003, followed by a sharp "relief rally." After months of decline due to uncertainty, the Dow jumped 2.3% on March 20, 2003, and rallied over 8% in the week following the start of the war, as investors perceived the conflict would be brief.  Key Timeline of the 2003 Iraq Invasion and Market Reaction: Pre-Invasion (Early 2003): Markets fell for months, pricing in uncertainty surrounding potential military action. March 18, 2003: Stocks surged, with the Dow rising 282 points ahead of the official invasion, on hopes for a quick resolution March 19, 2003: Operation Iraqi Freedom began with bombing in Baghdad. March 20, 2003: The Dow rose 2.3% the day after the invasion began as the "certainty" of war replaced uncertainty Week of March 17-21, 2003: The DJIA rose 8.4%, marking the biggest weekly gain in over 20 years at that time April 9, 2003: U.S. forces took control of Baghdad, ending the main invasion phase. Post-Invasion: The Dow continued to recover, with the market up over 30% from the pre-invasion low to the end of 2003 Key Takeaways: Certainty Boost: The official start of the war caused a rally because it resolved months of pre-war uncertainty. Rapid Gains: The Dow rose over 8% in the month following the start of the invasion Sector Performance: While the general market rose, oil prices fell by roughly   in the first week of the war, reversing earlier fears, explains the 

BNA-mod

I bought, but very light… AMZN, NVDA, AIRJ, SSO, IBM, LLY, SOFI, ASML, BK. And when I say light, I mean light. Figure it’s DCA time. The market is basically almost back to where it was and I don’t see it dropping much further. If you include an inflationary factor of 2.4% for the past year, the amount of devaluation of your dollar, the S&P is up about 9.6%, the NSDQ is up about 18.5% and the DJIA is up about 8.5%. I believe that’s a reasonable point to DCA.

MezcalFlame

I hope we're wrong, too, and instead see DJIA 100k.

AlfB63

We are currently in correction territory for the DJIA, the NASDAQ composite and the Russel 2000. I'm sure we are in other indexes but I don't kept up with them. We are not yet in correction for the S&P500 but are close. A correction is calculated based on the 52 week high.

RedShiz

The DJIA is down 9% since that Bondi quote. Just a bit over a month ago.

Rivster79

The DJIA is down over -8% since last month. What are you talking about?

mikebunchkin3727

It won’t be a sudden crash, but it’s going to be a slow burn……DJIA/S&P will slowly slip away. Wham-bam Bondi jinxed the market and the DJIA will be 38K in a few months. Mark my words. It’s been over inflated for years now

International-Ant174

I agree with your take on it: until the actual REALITY of things improve, this is all speculation on what words are thrown out by the president. If the strait situation stabilizes, the volatility will dissipate and the markets will likely increase (albeit at a potentially lower rate due to the lingering effects of this "action"). If the straits remains a shooting gallery, restricting the movement of goods, the market will likely continue to drive down (due to knock-on effects impacting all the finished goods dependent on this shipping channel). It makes for a tough time for investors to decide whether to push in or pull out of the market. If you have funds on the sidelines right now, do you jump in when you see a 10% drop in DJIA (got pretty close recent)? Or is that even the floor and will keep going to -20 or -30%? It really hinges on the straits, and unfortunately it appears there was no significant consideration about securing that route prior to throwing a few billion in missiles around.

Healthy_Hippo_915

In all seriousness, what market is down 10%. DJIA is down less than 5% YTD S&P500 is down about than 4% YTD

Significant-Moose171

You're on the internet too much. DJIA has traded in a \~1.5% window for the last two weeks. NASDAQ Composite a little higher, call it 2.1%. These are less than bumps. Few people are making moves based on what he says. I know it doesn't feel that way to you, but that's why people say riding daily and weekly candles requires a lot of mental and emotional fortitude.

Guy_PCS

The stock market is different from your perspective.  "bada bing, bada boom" |SYMBOL |PRICE |CHANGE |%CHANGE | |:-|:-|:-|:-| |[NASDAQ](https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/.IXIC)|22,170.755|\+523.144|\+2.42| |[S&P 500](https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/.SPX)|6,647.46|\+140.98|\+2.17| |[DJIA](https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/.DJI)|46,621.27|\+1,043.8|\+2.29| |SYMBOL |PRICE |CHANGE |%CHANGE | |:-|:-|:-|:-| |[NASDAQ](https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/.IXIC)|22,170.755|\+523.144|\+2.42| |[S&P 500](https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/.SPX)|6,647.46|\+140.98|\+2.17| |[DJIA](https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/.DJI)|46,621.27|\+1,043.8|\+2.29|

itsatumbleweed

I can't believe that the taco stuff keeps working. It's temporary but Brent is down $15/barrel and DJIA is up 1000 points since the tweet. Even though Iran said no contact has been made.

DecembersDragons

Iran just said there were no talks. Futures fell a percent. DJIA futures up 2.5% from Trump tweet. Back down to 1.5% from Iran tweet. We're literally getting yanked around by an online argument. 

-Never-Enough-

If you're looking to buy the dip, it's still too soon to bulk buy. DJIA is up 7% YoY and only down less than 2% for the past 6 months. S&P 500 is up over 12% YoY and down 2.8% for the past 6 months. DCA from here would be good but definitely expect the market to fall more if you think it's a dip worth calling a dip.

ThisismeCody

And yet, the market will go on. Rest assured the DJIA will outlive this moron.

BakerBunearyBella

That is actually a common misconception. The stock market did not reach a high for that long, but it does not mean that the portfolios did not recover. Pull up the chart of the DJIA (can't post a pic in comments) The only way to lose everything is if you lump sum invested your life savings at the peak in 1929 and we're planning to retire soon. Then it would take 15 year to recover. Most people were not in this situation. More likely is you just started you first job that year, and there isn't even any money in your account to crash. Even if there was, you are planning to hold for 40 years anyway, and by that time, the crash is well over. Let's say you were a fairly investor that started investing in 1926 or 1927 a few years before the crash. By 1936, they were back in the positive. Let's say you started after the previous peak in 1920. Again, by 1936 or so, they would have all their money back if they held. It follows if you were invested even earlier than that, your chilling even more. All the depression did to buy and hold investors (primordial Bogleheads) is to create a 5-10 year period where it would have been bad to retire for some people. Granted index funds did not exist back then, but you still could have had a diverse portfolio to follow the DJIA.

SikoraP13

Asset | 5Y CAGR | 10Y CAGR | 20Y CAGR -----------|---------|----------|--------- Gold | 20.98% | 13.70% | 11.03% S&P 500 | 10.55% | 12.23% | 8.36% DJIA | 6.85% | 9.97% | 7.23%

tachyonvelocity

Something going on after hours: DJIA losses are recovering Trump: We're getting very close to meeting our objectives as we consider winding down our great military efforts in the Middle East Trump says other nations must guard Hormuz, not us

tachyonvelocity

Something going on after hours: DJIA losses are almost all back up Trump: We're getting very close to meeting our objectives as we consider winding down our great military efforts in the Middle East

Street-Badger

If DJIA dips below 35k they will probably have to start arresting pedos again.

EvolvingDior

NDX down less than DJIA is insane to me.

The_Alan_Greenspan

If $SPX could go down and meet up with its buddy $DJIA for a coffee, that’d be great.

Darth_Ra

And yet, somehow folks seem to be managing it? DJIA up .34, S&P up .37, Nasdaq up .41. I wouldn't call any of that "up", not really... but it does at the very least seem to be holding steady despite it all.

EvolvingDior

The daily chart of SPX, NDX or DJIA -- any will do -- is enough to tell you where we are headed this summer.

ThetaFarmingRegard

March 12, 2020 – Global stock markets crashed due to the COVID-19 pandemic and the United States travel ban on the Schengen Area. The DJIA goes into free fall, closing at over −2,300 points, the worst loss for the index since 1987. March 16, 2020 - The DJIA falls by 2,997.10, the single largest point drop in history and the second-largest percentage drop ever at 12.93%, an even greater crash than Black Monday (1929).

Organic-Lie4759

Heh, the last time the DJIA was this low was nov 24, 2025. 4 months of gains gone in 10 days. Whoosah.

International-Ant174

Looking for opinions of others on this topic: Given the current state of global affairs (Iran "conflict", looming crude "crunch", et cetera), are we facing a market retracting to the point of losing all the gains from the last 11 months? Looking back, DJIA closed at 38,314ish on April 4th last year (due to instability from the Executive Branch tariffs). It then peaked at 50,115ish early last month (\~ 30% gain), but has since dropped \~ 6.5%. If crude stops flowing, what's to stop that downward trend from falling another 23% and wiping out the last year of growth? Especially on the basis that petrochemicals are the backbone of our modern existence - the products we buy, transportation (commercial and personal), much of our utility infrastructure, down to the packaging of products and even in some of our food. That's ignoring the $1B/day cost every day the U.S. is in this "conflict". Not looking to be doom & gloom, just understanding our headwinds.

confused_teabagger

I was promised a $50k DJIA and all I am getting is more expensive gas and $46k DJIA ... really making start thinking and asking questions about them Epstein files again ...

Available-Range-5341

DJIA is more representative of a random basket of stocks these days. QQQ aint gonna dip because two of the biggest components don't move, and the next few biggest components ALREADY crashed

cmrh42

Wow. And now oil is $82 and the DJIA is about where it started the year. Don't live your economic life on the daily fluctuations of the stock and commodities markets. They bounce around a lot and a day's change does not tell you if we are "winning or losing". Time will tell that.

NuanceEnthusiast

DJIA is 30 stocks and the top 10 holdings make up about 60% of the index by weight. The risk is that you’re under diversified without knowing it

BorealMushrooms

There a much larger picture developing as well. If you follow longer term trends in the DJIA MACD crossovers starting back at the housing crisis, it shows a cyclical pattern increasing in intensity that starts to break down at the beginning of February 2026, even while the US government was lauding the DOW being above $50000. The same cycle is seen in the NYSE as well. The markets are poised for a breather, and were ready for it even before Iran. If the last two bear markets are any signal, likely around 24 months for full recovery.