ICE

eddie4h

So true, the midterms will be interesting, personally the ICE issue is just his little army doing work on home soil. The banning of the press is another. People were convinced it was the democrats, but when you have a staunch supporter like MTG calling him out (don’t like her, But she has more balls that 99% of the GOP) you know they is something not right there.

Charming_Raccoon4361

ban all canadians ,call ICE

PoppaBurgundy3

“From a rogue institution” ummm ICE?….

Happy-n-Healthy

ICE will be put in charge of finding conscripts to send over

Deep_Calls_007

💯 it is. Map neurological institure fundings, and newly built ICE detention centres.

Classic-Resist-3517

El Nino always comes with some ICE and TACOs

TinyAdhesiveness5773

americans shouldn't worry about El Nino because ICE will clearly deport it

Aggravating_Fact9547

I mean aftermarket parts are a dying breed. We’re talking EV’s now not ICE cars, they’re just not comparable. Even then, a huge portion of modern vehicle components don’t have aftermarket ECU’s. It’s not a Tesla problem, it’s just a different platform. It’s not an “end to end” encryption problem, so much as a proprietary code problem. And yeah I get it it’s annoying to have to buy OEM parts, but the entire auto industry has been moving this direction for some time. At least Tesla isn’t requiring complicated commercial contracts, insane spends, and complex cables and adaptors. Try and get your BMW to tell you what’s wrong, or log onto it remotely and wirelessly to change parameters, or just use the screen to fully redeploy firmware to swapped modules. Yes it’s OEM but fuck it’s way easier man.

Electrical-Sir-2259

I’ve owned all kinds of cars and people whine about electric cars and costs, seem to forget a few things. One, computers are in every car and have been for a long time. So unless you got something pre 80s you’re running an ECU in your car. I’ve had three electric cars and they all cost more to insure, not just Tesla. Here’s what I found out after five years of ownership of three types. ICE, hybrid, and electric. You’ll spend a fraction of the cost in an electric car. It’s not even close so forget all the comparisons that keep trying to sell you bullshit. As a former mechanic I also can tell you maintenance is going to be very low. Meaning on the Tesla or any electric, the only thing I had to do in a year’s time was tire rotations and one bushing on the suspension on the Tesla, which was free. On my Toyota Corolla hybrid, which I love, it’s close but still got to do all the oil changes and regular maintenance. It’s synthetic and costs more. And that’s a Corolla Hybrid. I also had a Honda Accord Hybrid and it was close to but the maintenance costs just eat it up. The last vehicle is a jeep and well it’s expensive to run. So drive it when necessary not as a freaking status symbol or by myself if I can help it. I charge at home which costs me pennies on the dollar and laugh my ass off whenever I see someone coal rolling in a diesel. I’m like that just costs you twenty bucks and you killed couple birds and trees to do it dumb ass. Meanwhile I can go all over the states now for virtually nothing. A trip from the north east to Florida and then New Orleans cost me about little over 200 in a Tesla. I just did it. And you can math it all you want. Your math ain’t going to add up. It’s a fraction of the cost. And that’s comparing it to a hybrid. My Corolla is cheap too but still not close in overall costs. Oh and if you think your ICE is going to run once the electric goes out, lol. Maybe until you run the tank dry. Good luck after that. Better learn how to start sucking the hose like Road Warrior or figuring out how to manually pump because your gas pumps run on…you guessed it, electric. I have solar battery back up. I can still charge to get me about three hundred miles. The same as your tank of gas. And there are no more mechanics for newer cars. Proprietary parts changers. You can still earn a living working on older cars. As far as the costs conversations that keep happening. It just not going to be cheaper. You can add the higher insurance and parts but it isn’t going to math overall, I know, I live it everyday. If you can figure it out, good luck!

No-Ear7988

> ICE cars don't have a lot of critical points of failure? That's news. I didn't say that. You interpreted it that way. >ICE cars don't have electronics systems that can render them inoperable for bullshit reasons? Pretty sure if the screen on my head unit breaks, I can still adjust the mirrors. Unlike a Tesla.

haberdasher42

That's cool, but there aren't many cars left that don't have ECMs and the start of all the electronic bullshit we're dealing with today and ICE cars have way more points of failure in the powertrain that will in fact need it towed to a mechanic.

anewjesus420

Its a matter of time. I already admitted there would be few left on the road compared to ICE cars, but there will be collectors that replace everything given the time to keep the car running thanks to a handful of nerds. The 2100's Jay Leno will have a running Model Y in the collection

haberdasher42

ICE cars don't have a lot of critical points of failure? That's news. ICE cars don't have electronics systems that can render them inoperable for bullshit reasons?

No-Ear7988

> you may have been pieces of shit, but they were pieces of shit you could fix yourself. Don't forget single point of failure. With modern ICE, its ability to run was generally mutually exclusive to its ability to run electronics. For example, if my multimedia screen on the dash breaks, I'm still able to drive the car. Whereas the newest Model Y so many things run only through the central touchscreen including shifting. There is a back-up where you press a button for the drive mode on near the rearview mirror but it doesn't really change my point in how Tesla has a lot of critical points of failure that can make the car undriveable.

Valkyrie_Skuld

Power is out from light rain. Mostly wind I think. MY ICE CREAM

holchansg

Yes, modern ICE's, past \~5y are also a pain in the ass, a lot less signed binaries, more repairable but also a mess.

dasunt

The signed canbus is both ICE and EVs. So that'll suck regardless.

dasunt

I wonder how many ICE vehicles will see 30 years, considering how much the electronics are integrated. In my few years old EV, I'd say as long as I can get the infotainment and battery, I'm probably fine. It'll depend if a non-OEM supplier for batteries happen. In the few years old non-ICE, infotainment is also a weakness, but no battery. In my decades-old vehicles, I'm doing better. Can get expensive for a few things. But the head unit is just a head unit. In my very old vehicles, I can still find the damnedest parts these days. I'm just going to assume 50 years ago, the cost of setting up equipment and designing slightly different parts wasn't worth it, so there's a lot of weird overlapping compatibility between models that makes it worthwhile to reproduce and sell still.

anonymous_lighting

the charging issue is no different than EV’s on uber. EV market share is growing so ICE vehicles not gonna win that point in the long run. plus tesla has a more vested interest to route their vehicles towards charging stations when they need to charge compared to uber not knowing their drivers gas/charge status

chingatumadre444

No. This is much more dangerous than that. Trump and his tech fascist bros hate America and humanity in general. The tech billionaires are pushing this. They wish to enslave you through control over ever facet of your life. This is Theil. Project 2025. This shit is all spelled out. Your civil rights are dissolving in real time. Plainteir has been used by ICE since 2017, using AI to build a dossier on every "illegal" individual. And if that's what you voted for, youre next stupid.

HuckSauce

I haven’t seen anyone mention the key concern that caused the sector to sell off, GLP-1’s. There is some concern that minimally invasive tech forecasted demand for chronic conditions could be negatively impacted due to a reduction in the obese population. BSC was particularly negatively impacted due to Watchman having both a competitor (Abbott) come into the space and results from a clinical trial comparing it to blood thinners that wasn’t as enticing of data as expected. Last is their PFA tech (Fara) which is the hottest category in MedTech is losing market share to competition. In summary BSCI was valued at a premium by Wallstreet because they had the only real offering in two high-growth categories (LAAC - Watchman, PFA - Fara), and since that point, the market share, growth rate, and TAM are in question. ICE, RDN, and IVL technologies are the keys to watch moving forward.

Apple2o

Shorting GEO group, who’s income is all from ICE, as dems sweep the midterms and push to defund could be the play 🧐

ConferenceFull9068

If the border was never closed, and deportations didn't happen, I guess y'all have no reason to be demonstrating outside ICE facilities. Also you may have been asleep, but the One Big Beautiful Bill was passed last July. I'm sure you saw a benefit in this year's tax return. At least the increase in the standard deduction. Simple internet searches would correct you about the rest.

AppleTree98

Go ahead and shoot yourself. Record and post yourself being part of this action. The government will all of the sudden treat you like extremist and ICE may come for you. LOL

WhatRUsernamesUsed4

I'm not sure of Rivian's long term motivations but they have to focus on not going bankrupt first. Apple already threw in the towel in the car business. I could see Amazon developing a delivery fleet, but would they include consumer taxis? Are drones more efficient delivery systems than land vehicles? The traditional autos never fielded taxi drivers with ICE vehicles. I think including them may be projecting Elons fantasies on an entire industry. I'm not saying Waymo is the guaranteed winner, but they have a decent amount of infrastructure now, they're much better at staying politically neutral, and Google generally runs its businesses well.

Reasonable-Plate2982

This is news? $16 billion? Seems Trump is regularly dumping hundreds of billions every other month on projects that have little value other than to himself, cronies, ICE, or fighting a useless war.

Serious_Feedback

Forget subsidies. Chinese cars have been focused on the electric market for ~30 years, with *consistent* government support. Note the difference between raw subsidies and government actually focusing on providing a friendly regulatory environment. In China, an EV is easier to get a driver's license for, and can be driven 7 days a week (unlike ICE cars). That's not a subsidy, but it *is* government boosting EV sales. Expecting such policy in the US in e.g. 2005 would be unimaginable, which is why China is kicking the US's ass on BEVs.

veronica-volt

"Palantir, the shadowy tech and surveillance company founded by right-wing billionaire Peter Thiel, is now working with Mexican restaurant chain Chipotle to supposedly track food safety issues. *"Wired* [reports](https://www.wired.com/story/chipotle-is-working-with-palantir-on-food-safety/) that Chipotle is working on a “food safety risk platform” hosted on Foundry, Palantir’s main software platform, compiling data including store pest incidents, employee illnesses, and Health Department scores to come up with each store’s risk level. "It’s not clear how long the partnership has been going on or how widespread it is. As *Wired* notes, almost half of Palantir’s business comes from American corporations including food companies like General Mills, meat supplier Tyson, and \*\*the fast-food restaurant chain Wendy’s.\*\* But the tech company is better known for its [contracts](https://fed-spend.com/blog/palantir-government-contracts-deep-dive) with the federal government, totaling billions of dollars. Under Trump, its projects have included building a [master database](https://newrepublic.com/post/195904/trump-palantir-data-americans) on every American and developing [an app](https://newrepublic.com/post/205333/ice-palantir-app-raid-deportation) to help ICE agents determine where to raid next. "Chipotle confirmed the partnership to *Wired* but didn’t comment further, and Palantir didn’t immediately respond to the publication. Earlier this year, the restaurant chain was linked to the [recall](https://newrepublic.com/post/214144/donald-trump-taylor-farms-recall-jalapenos-explosive-diarrhea-outbreak) of jalapeño peppers from supplier Taylor Farms due to the risk of salmonella poisoning." \-https://newrepublic.com/post/215501/chipotle-palantir

Zofobread

China has heavy tariffs on the USA and has effectively kept US ICE vehicles out of the country for decades.

NotTooShahby

EVs aren’t like ICE engines, one requires expertise over a long period of time, something which auto manufacturers can boast, the other requires a robust supply chain, something we’ve been struggling with. tbf, we’re trying now, there’s factories being built for batteries and other components, but it’s not the same.

Pulga_Atomica

Minny has experience with ice. ICE, on the other hand, [not so good with ice](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZOyp6WwXCDI)

joebraga2

The solar part is something that gets surprisingly little attention in these discussions. The purchase price is only one part of the economics of a car. Once someone can generate part of their own electricity, the energy economics of an EV become fundamentally different from an ICE vehicle because the owner can actually produce some of the vehicle's fuel at home. Obviously that doesn't work for everyone. You need the right home, charging access, enough solar generation and suitable driving patterns. But that's another reason I think competition matters. Don't just compare sticker prices. Compare purchase price, energy cost, maintenance, depreciation and actual real-world use. Then let consumers decide which technology works for them.

Tax_Life

It's proven that EVs are far better when it comes to emissions over their lifetime. They're a bit worse when it comes to environmental impact directly after manufacturing but ICE cars need oil/gas processing which isn't exactly environmentally friendly either. So they actually are better for the environment if you apply the same standards to ICE cars.

joebraga2

One thing I think is missing from this discussion is that Brazil has already been through an earlier wave of Chinese automakers, and it shows that being Chinese, having lower manufacturing costs or offering more equipment does not automatically guarantee success. Chery entered Brazil in 2009, long before the current EV boom. Its first attempt was not particularly successful. The cars could offer a lot of equipment for the money, but the products, powertrains, dealer experience and overall strategy were not yet sufficiently adapted to Brazilian conditions and consumer expectations. Several early models disappeared. But Chery stayed. It built a factory, accumulated experience and eventually partnered with CAOA, a Brazilian automotive group with decades of experience in the local industry. CAOA had previously built its business through Ford dealerships, imported Hyundai vehicles and eventually manufactured Hyundai vehicles in Brazil. The result is that today's CAOA Chery is almost unrecognizable compared with the Chery that entered Brazil more than 15 years ago. And now CAOA is doing something similar with Changan. Changan is a separate Chinese automaker, but CAOA is using its Brazilian industrial and commercial infrastructure to manufacture and sell Changan products here as CAOA Changan. That is important because this competition is no longer limited to cheap imported EVs. Chinese-designed ICE, mild-hybrid, hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles are increasingly competing with traditional manufacturers too. JAC is a useful counterexample because its history went almost in the opposite direction. JAC entered Brazil in 2011 with a huge marketing campaign, quickly established a large dealer network and initially sold quite well. It promised Brazilian manufacturing, but that passenger-car factory never materialized. Over time its light-vehicle operation shrank dramatically and most of that original dealer footprint disappeared. So Brazil has already demonstrated something important: Chinese origin alone doesn't guarantee success. Chery initially struggled, stayed, learned, localized and found a strong Brazilian industrial partner. JAC had a much stronger initial launch but failed to establish the same industrial footprint and eventually became a much smaller player. Now we're watching a much larger second wave. BYD took over Ford's former industrial complex in Camaçari. GWM took over Mercedes-Benz's former factory in Iracemápolis. Renault and Geely are expanding their industrial relationship. GM itself is assembling Chinese-developed Chevrolet EVs in Ceará through products originating from its Chinese ecosystem with SAIC and Wuling. Toyota and BYD have a 50/50 EV R&D joint venture. Tesla complicates the story even further. Tesla is one of America's biggest automotive technology success stories, but its battery supply chain has always been international. Panasonic was fundamental to its early scale, while its later battery sourcing expanded to suppliers including LG Energy Solution and CATL. So the modern auto industry is already much more interconnected than “Chinese technology vs American technology” suggests. And this is why I find the comparison with Japanese and Korean automakers so interesting. Foreign manufacturers don't necessarily remain importers forever. They enter a market. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes they learn. They change products, establish dealerships, find local suppliers, partner with domestic companies, hire local engineers and workers, and eventually manufacture locally. Brazil watched Japanese and Korean companies go through versions of that process. Now we're watching Chinese companies do it. And localization gives us a much better experiment for the question this thread started with. If BYD, GWM, Changan or another Chinese manufacturer loses most of its price advantage after producing in Brazil, Europe or eventually the US with local workers and local regulations, then Chinese wages, subsidies and domestic production conditions were clearly responsible for a large part of that advantage. But if a significant advantage survives localization, then wages cannot be the whole explanation. Battery costs, vertical integration, platform architecture, supplier organization, procurement, automation, manufacturing scale, development cycles and margins all become part of the answer. That's why I don't think the most interesting experiment is simply importing millions of Chinese cars into the US. Make them manufacture there. Make them employ American workers. Make them comply with American safety, labor and environmental rules. Then compare the products. Brazil is increasingly doing exactly that experiment with Brazilian workers. And after watching what happened with Chery and JAC over the last 15+ years, I wouldn't assume the result in advance. Localization can expose weaknesses just as easily as it can expose advantages.

joebraga2

There is another part of this discussion that makes the whole “Chinese auto industry vs American auto industry” framing much less clean than it sounds. Tesla itself is a good example. Tesla is American, but its battery supply chain has never been purely American. Panasonic was crucial to Tesla’s early scale, and Tesla later diversified its battery sourcing to companies including LG Energy Solution and CATL. So even the most successful American pure-EV manufacturer was built around a global, heavily Asian battery supply chain. Brazil makes this even more interesting because we are watching several versions of this industrial integration happen at the same time. BYD took over Ford’s former industrial complex in Camaçari and is progressively localizing production. GWM took over Mercedes-Benz’s former factory in Iracemápolis. Renault and Geely are expanding their industrial relationship in Brazil. GM itself is now assembling Chinese-developed Chevrolet EVs in Ceará. The Spark EUV and Captiva EV come from GM’s Chinese industrial ecosystem with SAIC and Wuling and are being assembled locally. Toyota and BYD have a 50/50 EV R&D joint venture. Nissan has had a major industrial relationship with Dongfeng in China for decades. At some point, asking whether a technology is simply “Chinese” or “Western” stops having an easy answer. And Brazil gives us another interesting experiment: range. If you look only at Brazilian homologation figures, some EVs can look surprisingly short-legged. Cars with batteries in the 50-60 kWh range can receive official Inmetro/PBEV range figures around 300 km. But the Brazilian number is deliberately conservative. Inmetro does not simply publish the raw laboratory result. Adjustment factors are applied to produce a more conservative real-world reference. The problem is that a lot of automotive discussion here then treats that number almost as the maximum distance the EV can realistically travel. Owner experience often looks very different. We now have EV owners driving these cars across Brazil, including mountainous areas and routes that climb from the coast onto the plateau. There are owners and independent tests substantially exceeding the official Inmetro range, and under favorable conditions some results get much closer to WLTP. Larger-battery EVs can exceed 400 km in real use even when their Brazilian homologated number looks much less impressive. Obviously that does not mean WLTP is guaranteed real-world range. Drive at 120 km/h, climb continuously, add headwind, temperature changes or heavy HVAC use and consumption changes dramatically. But this exposes an interesting asymmetry in how cars are discussed here. When a small 1.0-liter ICE car achieves an exceptionally good km/l result, automotive enthusiasts and media are perfectly happy to show what the car can achieve under favorable real-world conditions. With EVs, I often see the opposite. The conservative Inmetro figure gets repeated as the defining range of the vehicle, while owner consumption and independent road results receive much less attention. A much better way to discuss EV range is to show the homologation numbers and then show actual energy consumption. If an EV does 12, 15, 18 or 22 kWh/100 km, anyone can understand what a 40, 60 or 90 kWh battery means under different conditions. That's much more informative than saying “this is a 300 km car” because one homologation system printed 300 km on the label. And all of this comes back to the original Detroit question. Brazil is becoming a useful real-world laboratory because Chinese manufacturers are no longer simply shipping Chinese-built cars here. They are buying former Western factories, hiring Brazilian workers and progressively localizing production. At the same time, established American, European and Japanese manufacturers are increasingly using Chinese partners, platforms, batteries, engineering or complete vehicles. Europe is moving in a similar direction as Chinese manufacturers localize more production there. That gives us an opportunity to separate two things that are constantly mixed together in this discussion. If Chinese manufacturers lose most of their price advantage when they manufacture in Brazil, Europe or eventually the US with local workers, then Chinese wages, subsidies and domestic production conditions were clearly doing much of the work. But if a substantial advantage survives localization, then wages cannot be the entire explanation. Battery costs, vertical integration, EV-specific platforms, supplier organization, procurement, manufacturing scale, automation, development cycles and margins all have to enter the discussion. That's why I would actually find an American-built Chinese EV much more interesting than another imported Chinese EV. Require American production. American wages. American safety and environmental standards. Apply the same rules to everyone. Then compare the products. If an American-built BYD ends up costing roughly the same as an equivalent American-built GM or Ford, we learn something important about where the original Chinese cost advantage came from. But if it can still compete aggressively on price, equipment and efficiency while paying American production costs, then tariffs didn't answer the underlying competitiveness question. They only delayed the experiment.

joebraga2

I think several comments here are mixing two separate questions. Yes, China has lower manufacturing wages, industrial subsidies matter, and the US has legitimate reasons to care about trade rules. I'm not arguing that Chinese manufacturers should simply get unrestricted access to the American market. What I'm questioning is the idea that cheap labor alone explains why Chinese cars are cheaper, and that keeping them out therefore solves Detroit's competitiveness problem. Brazil is becoming a useful real-world test. GM, Volkswagen, Fiat and Toyota have been manufacturing here for decades. They already have factories, established suppliers, huge dealer networks, brand recognition and enormous scale. Chinese manufacturers entered with almost none of those advantages. Their cars initially had to be shipped across the ocean, pay import duties and Brazilian taxes, establish distribution and dealerships from scratch, and compete against locally produced ICE cars. Yet they were still able to price BEVs and PHEVs directly against conventional ICE vehicles. And now Chinese manufacturers are increasingly localizing production in Brazil. That makes the labor argument even more interesting, because progressively more of the production cost is Brazilian rather than Chinese. So where does the remaining price competitiveness come from? That's the part I think deserves more attention: vertical integration, battery costs, dedicated EV platforms, fewer components, supplier structure, manufacturing efficiency, scale, software/electronics integration and possibly lower margins while entering a new market. It doesn't mean subsidies and Chinese labor costs are irrelevant. It means they probably aren't the entire explanation. There's also an interesting counterargument several people here have raised: protecting Detroit's highly profitable US market could give GM and Ford the cash and time they need to become more competitive elsewhere. That could work. But then the important question is what they do with that protection. GM can make excellent money selling large pickups and SUVs in the US while simultaneously competing with BYD, GWM and Geely in places like Brazil. If those American profits finance better platforms, lower production costs and more competitive electrified cars globally, then the protected home market is buying useful time. If instead protection allows Detroit to remain increasingly dependent on high-margin trucks and SUVs while competitors gain scale and manufacturing experience in the rest of the world, then protection may simply be hiding the competitiveness problem. That's why I'd actually like to see Chinese manufacturers subjected to the hardest possible version of this test in the US. Don't give them unrestricted imports. Require local production. Require American wages, American safety standards and American regulations. Then let an American-built BYD compete against an American-built GM or Ford. If the price advantage largely disappears, then labor, subsidies and imports really were doing much of the work. But if a locally produced Chinese EV can still compete on price with a locally produced American ICE vehicle or EV, then Detroit has a manufacturing-cost problem that tariffs alone aren't going to solve.

SanDisk_Made_Me_Rich

We'll give you $5,000 if you help us win the midterms **and I'll be sending our finest ICE goons to your polling station to harass you** *lol you're going to need to give me more than $5,000 to deal with that shit*

QuoteHaunting

I think the question is posed incorrectly. Yes, the US car manufacturers are protected from Chinese imports, but they are also currently protected from making the transfer from ICE to EV vehicles, and the US is falling behind and will be left behind. We may get to drive ICE vehicles for another 20 or 30 years, but eventually there will be a tipping point in the global market where ICE vehicles are not competitive. That my have already happened in China. When ypu read about the collapse of the Chinese auto market, that is only for ICE vehicles. EVs in China continue to expand, and China has invested in their infrastructure. They are investing in Africa's EV infrastructure. Europe has already gone that route. Only the US has doubled down on ICE vehicles. That protects US manufacturing for now, but when that dam brakes they will be in big trouble.

UncommonSense12345

Ya I’ve read up on this and it’s pretty terrifying. It’s why I get a little bothered by the whole “EV good, ICE bad” talking point of Reddit. EVs are great in terms of pollution from the car once made. But the process to make them is currently not a great proposition environmentally or human rights wise… doesn’t mean we shouldn’t push for EVs we just need to be aggressive in making their production not a disaster for the earth and the people involved in production.

fatbunyip

No.  US auto industry is being artificially supported by dumb govt policy.  In a few years they will be minor players. The writing is not only on the wall, it has been photographed, posted on Instagram, mailed and also emailed as a word document attachment.  The rest of the world is going EV. When Africa and India develop they aren't gonna have ICE cars. US automakers are going to become boutique manufacturers catering to the US market.  The dumb thing isn't necessarily the protectionism. It's that despite the protectionism, the US car makers aren't even trying to make EVs.  Gonna be like when US was using cheques and the rest of the world was like lol wtf are cheques 

Miserable-Rain235

haha true, he'd surpass Buchanan if he could. Would nuking iran be bullish? But also, remember when ICE was killing US citizens? That does surpass coolidge in principle. Did coolidge have migrant concentration camps?

big-papito

"Agree with his policies" = "I like ICE beating the shit out of libs and brown people". That's what that phrase usually means, because they NEVER specify which policies they like.

Aggressive_Lex350

Isn't his ICE equipment made from Canada?

kawski23

Mexicans calling ICE on themselves

Ok_Collection_1889

Yeah but tarriffs and wars. Not to mention all the other shite like the east wing, golden dome, air farce one, the reflecting pool, ICE aka Nazi youth and don't forget the wall. He's spunking money on vanity projects. The latest promise is $5000 which will cost the tax payer $1 trillion. Not him. You

ketya-

Imagine where nasdaq would have been if we didn’t have the orange man at all? \- no tariff war \- no Iran war, oil crisis, food prices \- no ICE and associated expenses \- no continuous interruptions We could have Nasdaq hit 35k

Sawyer_Anderson

We got a french person in the crowd? Where is ICE

AdWitty4949

Sure. It’s one thing to relate his influence on a stock in context of trading, but most of these posts have zero to do with that and you know it. When I say you people I am directly referring to the last many months in this forum where I USED to see cool stuff about stocks and now it’s “Trump this ICE that White house this pedophile that”. I get it everyone hates Trump.

Strict-Cup-4775

Remember when ICE deported hundreds of legal South Korean Hyundai workers in Georgia? Why would any foreign company manufacture cars in the US?

Objective_Oven7673

They should just build them inside all the ICE facilities that eventually get abandoned. Sell Alligator Alcatraz to Meta and let them deal with downtime due to flooding.

ddrsdght

Send ICE detainees to prison take Kharg island, two birds with one stone

pmotiveforce

Fucking ICE car owners lol. Gonna drive around for no real reason, smugly, in my EV. even more smugly than usual. With windows open and air conditioner on.

ASearchingLibrarian

The point of raising interest rates is to reduce inflation so there's no point in holding off if inflation is clearly trending up. Problem is the cause of inflation pressure is not easily stopped by raising rates. The fiscal is basically at war with the monetary. The government believes it has unlimited access to a money machine and it can keep borrowing instead of actually increasing productivity. This is like the "War" Dept believes it has access to unlimited munitions and soldiers to send to the front. Ag Dept believes we all want to be fat as Hell and there's unlimited farm workers. ICE believes there are unlimited farm workers to deport. Health Dept believes in unlimited fairytales. The Education Dept spends big but doesn't believe it even exists. The future has become dependent on a computer program that eats all the resources but doesn't actually exist yet and will probably try to kill all of us. The government is living in dreamland. The Fed has to wake it up. Tariff wars need to end. Trade wars, wars of all kinds need to end. Spending on billion dollar weapons needs to stop. Production is increased when government spends wisely on basic infrastructure (basic supportive transport, communications, housing, healthcare, education, policing, alliances with neighbours and friends) and supports profitable businesses that produce things people want and will improve society. If only people could go back to believing this and not that the most important thing is winning a culture war.

BigWarning8696

we did until ICE started rounding them up

TemporaryCapital3871

Man, so what, we just let the holes in the borders keep leaking? Im not saying ICE is the answer, but $50B is a drop in the bucket. If you need any case study on what open borders do, look no further than Europe.

SpiderWil

Maybe shutdown ICE to save a cool $50B instantly this year

iknewaguytwice

Personally, I blame the dinosaurs and ancient plans for not being prosperous enough. If we really trace things back, they are entirely to blame. If there was more organic material turned into oil, then everyone could have a mini oil refinery in their back yard, and we wouldn’t be in this pickle. Therefore, I am issuing a new executive order as follows: 1.) All eras between the Paleozoic to Jurassic will now be referred to the America Era. 2.) A new 800% tariff on all goods being imported from the America Era. 3.) All fossils are to be IMMEDIATELY rescheduled as a type 1 controlled substance. 4.) A new geological era to begin effective IMMEDIATELY known as the ICE era. Praise be to Allah, and THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS FOSSILIZED MATTER.

Smartimess

So when will he send ICE against Musk, Dario, Scam Altman and Zuck?

merlotded

US manufacturers need some competitors. Considering tariffs, labor and investment costs, I don't think Chinese cars will be much cheaper. Still, it'd be nice to get an EV car at the same price of an ICE vehicle.

The_Macro_Investor

With all the ICE arrests and deportations, the only migrants that are cleaning out Cybercabs are third generation migrants onward.

FuckleUp

Raiders Dolphins playing the ICE Bowl today

carcotasu081

BREAKING NEWS : President Trump has ordered ICE to report all "bearrorists" from the country for not being "true patriots".

rbraalih

ICE drivers are beginning to look really weird. At least I think they are, they disappear in the rear view mirror when I floor my BMW i4 so fast that it's hard to tell.

Charming_Raccoon4361

we need the ICE here

MajesticBread9147

Hyliion [$HYLN] makes an equivalent product to bloom energy, and is collecting contracts from the US military. They have already showed off their KARNO generator switching fuels without switching off and benefit from a higher efficiency than ICE while having few moving parts. Generators of all kinds are supply limited right now and a generator that doesn't require diesel is preferable as it supasses $6 a gallon. It's currently less than 1% the market cap of bloom energy. Stocks that are past their hype cycle are often huge buys because the impatient and ignorant get bored or lose faith. The second is Vicor Corporation [$VICR] which designs, licenses, and manufactures semiconductors that convert 48v electric currents to smaller voltages and vice versa. For a whole host of reasons that involve stuff like electrical resistance and heat dissipation this is extremely valuable and remember, electrical resistance is released as heat. Their power modules are valuable for high performance compute because modern accelerators need high current, low voltage electricity, and their chips hugely reduce the amount of electricity lost to heat, which is critical for high density dies where heat and electric current is everything. Their products are modular similar to how AMD has used chiplets to their advantage for years, so they are easily adapted for different use cases. Their modules are also used in everything from electric cars, GPUs, to satellites. They've grown a bit past small cap since I first spotted them but they're not in the SP500 yet. The last is Energy Recovery Inc [**$ERII**] who manufactures pressure exchanger technology that are able to be added to cyclical-high pressure systems, primarily desalination plants and water filtration and recovery from industrial uses. Water filtration requires very high pressure liquid and their devices can be added on to the part of systems after the "high pressure" part is no longer needed to transfer that energy back to the beginning of the cycle, thus massively increasing efficiency. Their pressure exchangers can run in desalination plants for 30 years before maintenance is needed, and can reduce energy needs in desalination plants by 60%. They are in a cyclclical business dominated by large projects, but enjoy a neae-monopoly in that space. So a project being delayed by a quarter means stock drops due to large earnings miss, but then it jumps up the next one. They're currently being held back by the Iran war, but they've pointed out that during Covid despite order slowdowns demand jumped the next year to maintain their expected CAGR. The last two companies are profitable and have over 50% gross margins in industries that I can only see as being stable or growing in the long term.

MeteorOnMars

When Korea tried to operate a factory here they were rounded up by ICE. I hope any Chinese people watch those videos before signing contracts with Trump.

Mobile-Bar7732

You basically get an EV at the same price as an ICE vehicle without paying the EV premium price. It won't create very many jobs though. BYD manufacturing is fully automated. One of it's plants has achieved 97% automation.

Sufficient_Habit5091

Korean and Japanese companies probably fine for ICE cars but American companies RIP.

EdOfTheMountain

Kelly Bluebook says heavier. I wouldn’t think 10-30% heavier would have such a drastic effect on tire life. \> Electric **vehicles (EVs) generally weigh significantly more than equivalent class internal combustion engine (ICE) gas vehicle, typically between 10% and 30% heavier (a difference of roughly 500 to 1,500 lbs depending on the segment).**

joeganis

The US should send in ICE. Solve 3 problems with 1 move

DazHawt

Pillen Family pig farms? Governor of Nebraska who refuses to take Trump's knub out of his mouth? The guy who supports ICE and spent state funds on an ICE concentration camp to be built in Nebraska, but makes his money on the backs of undocumented workers? The corrupt piece of shit who gave a $2.5 million no-bid contract to his mistress? The guy whose pig farms are a major polluter of Nebraska's groundwater with carcinogens? The same farms that bore no responsibility for the death of one of its 17 year old workers? Is that whose farm we're looking at here?

GEOdude2027

GEO group is up 125% in the last 6 months as they have been doing very well as the #1 beneficiary of ICE detention contracts. In <2 months the Dems are taking BOTH chambers of congress and defunding ICE will be the #1 domestic talking point 2028 puts are extremely low volume and high spread but I have built my position for the most obvious short of all time

Maleficent_Couple315

Best decision I made 4 years ago was switching my daily driver from ICE to EV. 70,000 miles later and have had 0 maintenance besides wipers, wiper fluid and tires.

MrStealYoBeef

Even if we assume the source of power for the electric car is from a gas power plant, it's still much cleaner and "greener" than ICE vehicles. Electric cars are great at utilizing conservation of energy, as well as minimizing waste energy in general. Larger power plants are also significantly more efficient in terms of converting fuel into usable energy. ICE cars are just the most convenient vehicles since the infrastructure already exists for them, but they are very much far from efficient. And like the other commenter said, that combustion engine will always burn fuel. An electric car will use electricity which comes from a variety of sources and can include nuclear, wind, hydroelectric, geothermal, and solar.

toyz4me

Don’t think it’s an either or…I believe it makes sense for a household to have an EV and an ICE car based on driving and works needs.

Indigoh

The goal is to harm America. Every choice he makes is to harm America. Here's a list I made myself, of all the ways I could think of in which he's harming the country: * Gutting the education system * Cut food Assistance + defunded free school lunch programs * Gutting clean energy generation while expanding drilling for oil * Oil reserves are running low * Weapons reserves are running low * Cut cybercrime defense * Attacking freedom of speech at every opportunity * Increased the size news media monopolies can grow * Attacking civil Rights * Attacking voting Rights * Attacked Minority + Women's rights across the board * Cut Disaster relief except to states that voted for him * Damaged air traffic control * Cut Pandemic prevention, vaccines, and pandemic response programs * Cut soft power gained through foreign aid * Cut food safety regulations and tracking of pathogens * Selling national parks and opening them for logging * Cut wildfire prevention * Removing endangered species protections * Torching relationships with all our allies * Gutting weather tracking * Defunding science * Cutting Medicaid * Cutting HIV prevention * Cutting mental health and addiction programs * Cut funding to local gun violence prevention programs * Pulled federal arts and humanities grants * Defunded elder abuse programs * Approved pesticides banned in other countries * Loosened child labor laws * Defunded veteran assistance * Removed safe drinking water grants for rural towns * Closed safe houses for trafficking victims, cut legal aid for trafficking survivors, and stopped training on identifying victims * Weakened OSHA and other worker protection systems * Cut funding for disability aid of many types * Cut *all kinds* of protections for prisoners * Normalizing insider trading * Enacted illegal tariffs that only served to transfer our money to the wealthy * Is actively trying to remove power from the American Bar Association * Armed ICE, deployed them in cities, defended them from investigation when they murdered people, and is threatening to send them to the polls * Is currently detaining more immigrants in ICE detention facilities than any other point in his term, while preventing oversight of their treatment, and ended public reporting on detention deaths (I could make a list equally as long as this one, entirely about the ways they've made immigration and detention in America outright deadly) * Told the president of El Salvador that "the Homegrowns are next" and that they're going to need to build about 5 more prisons. * [Banned words and phrases from government sites](https://pen.org/banned-words-list/) including all the things you'd expect from them, such as "Women" and "LGBT", but also including *"Community", "Sense of Belonging", and "Clean Water"*. It would be more difficult to build a list of aspects of America he has not damaged. Damage this consistent can not be on accident.

RedlineSW

Something about ICE.. Not sure what the issue is, we deal with ICE all the damned time here.

Bravadette

Good that ICE won't be sent to voting stations. Let's hope he doesnt send the Proud Boys instead. Would mirror Il Jefe, directly.

confused_teabagger

>Anyone not buying AI stocks and complaining about oil is being very disrespectful and tryong to harm our troops! They will be hunted down with Flock and ICE and pay for this treachery My prediction for T-Diddy's next move

RaveDamsel

Come hang out in r/electricvehicles. I do still have an ICE pickup that I drive as little as possible, because EV is so much better in every possible way, *as long as you can charge at home*.

Otherwise-Parsnip-91

No???? This was as all laid out in project 2025, im also getting this from republicans and people in the administration who’ve publicly stated that ICE should be at polling places to ensure no “illegals” were voting. I dont think it’ll happen but I think Trump and this current administration are crazy enough to try anything.

Otherwise-Parsnip-91

He wouldn’t use the military, he’d use ICE

rollerplank

ICE still waiting for their signing bonus... so... Yay American friends. So stupid

Onespokeovertheline

I believe the path began in 2018 with his tax cuts, exploded with COVID spending, peaked early in the Biden presidency, and then was gradually reduced until 18 months ago when he started with tariffs and wars and ICE budgets and monketing with the FED.

International-Ant174

Considering his track record on promised "checks" to the people during his administration, anyone with more than two functional brain cells has to acknowledge that this is "old man ramblings" out of desperation as he knows the midterms aren't going his way. I don't believe the markets would actually bake anything into this random outburst. I would imagine they are more focused on the billions in losses in economic activity because he wanted to play in a sandbox. Or captain crazy going full fascist and ICE starts killing people at polls in November. But I am merely an NPC in the Trumpverse game. Can I be an NPC in a different game?

ActualHumanONReddit

Those were ICE agents, not regular military.

potchippy

He was deportrd by ICE last week.

No_Cherry_1423

If you are looking for growth you aren’t likely to find it in legacy OEMs. At some point, Rivian could be good for that, but right now it’s just incredibly volatile and stuck between hype/people wanting it to be Tesla and the fact that it hasn’t actually made any profits yet. Aside from that, it’s a lot of dividend focused stocks. These are good businesses with good cases for success in EVs, but their stock prices probably won’t reward you and returns could be held back by disruptions to their existing ICE business.

Super-Activity-4675

at least ICE took away some of the competition /s

OilInternational2566

He pardoned (see:protected) all the January 6 rioters. He, and the Justice Department REFUSE to investigate and prosecute ICE “agents” for KILLING AMERICANS. He is absolutely no different than Netanyahu protecting the settlers. Literally no different. Plus he’s made EVERYTHING more expensive, thrown America’s long-standing allies under a bus (see:Canada) while increasing the U.S. national debt astronomically. *“ThE aRt Of ThE dEaL!!!”*

RockasaurusRex

Calling ICE on bears

VenusbyTuesdayTV

NY ICE futures London Ice futures Wisdomtree cocoa London ETF Take your pick

Designer-Salt-3119

I am confused, so you want more ABGs or more ICE

MyMiddleNutItches

So with the stroke of a pen he expects an **entire** state to spend the money to rework their entire infrastructure, from renewing driver's licenses, insurance clauses, state governments, even basic uniforms? We already know that Apple and Google will capitulate, but NM will likely tell him to fuck himself. Obviously, in return he'll withhold federal funding and deploy ICE aggressively. He can't see past his own nose on these issues and the consequences that will take place.

Badda_Bing_Baby

The year is 2043. I wake up from my Trump sleep pod after two hours of blissful rest and take my daily Patriot Pills. I spend a few minutes watching the Fox Trump Network before Donald, my AI assistant, reminds me I have to hurry to my daily citizenship certification appointment. I exit my Trump Hotel Housing Unit, hop in my Cybertruck, scan my Trump Credit Card to start it, then turn down America St. As I cruise down USA Blvd, I wave to my local ICE agents as they pull into the local Trump Depot Hardware store parking lot. I finally arrive at the Department of Patriot Citizenship. After paying the processing fee in TrumpCoin, my daily citizenship certification is complete. Now it’s time to get to work at the newest data center construction site, where i work as Chat DJT does all non-physical labor now. Maybe someday I’ll save enough TrumpCoin for a vacation at the beautiful Lake America, as long as I don’t get drafted to handle the latest incursion at the Trump Strait. Another beautiful day in America.

Phelixx

Well Obama ordered a strike on a terrorist, who unfortunately had his son with him. So it’s pretty funny that you pull that as an example of poor leadership when ICE shot three American citizens, in America, for doing literally nothing. Trump has also targeted schools and hospitals in Iran, you know, like a war crime or something. MAGA always think they have a GOTCHA on Obama or Biden. But the worst thing those two presidents ever did is just another Tuesday for Trump.

krypticus

ICE has shot and killed many people. Not immigrants, just American citizens. Yet he doesn’t get the blame for his own policies and lack of investigation into the murders he facilitated. Turns out it was on 26th street in Minneapolis, not 5th Avenue in NYC…

SocialSuicideSquad

Drop a hard R on stream and welcome to ICE

nan1961

USA; people can’t afford gas, Home heating oil is now at $5.50 per gallon. Crime is down, because the majority of criminals are now in this administration or hired by ICE, after being pardoned by Trump for their crimes.

cacat-vasile

I've noticed from the start trump wanted to start a war with someone. Anyone. At first an economic trade war with europe was more plausible than with China that openly agreed with their terms. Then shifted to the Greenland threats. Then the military keeps taking soldiers out of european NATO defense bases. Along with the OPEC cartel, the guy started a war against the whole world in iran, and europe is the most affected economically. And they will keep this going for a long time, until the dollar strengthens. Because they have so much debt and annually the inflation is overwhelming in the US. One of the reason is that China kept dumping their debt as bonds. The housing market turned to shit and there's a never-ending drug and homeless epidemic. Right before a collapse and mass civil uprising like it almost started with the ICE conflicts a year ago, they always seem to start a long war to keep everyone distracted and renew the economy. But this time, as they systematically try to destroy europe, they have no idea what a catastrophic consequence would be regarding inflation if the main european bond buyers start dumping the debt on par with China. Even if this scenario isn't plausible, it's still possible at least the buying will stagnate. The US bond market is a scam anyway. They seem to pay about 12-13% interest per 3 years, while every 3 years they print 20% and absolutely devalue the whole investment. You must be extremely stupid to buy into this scam. But europe has always been manipulated to do it as a measure of payment in NATO protection, which also seems to be a scam now when russia finally started to look like an actual threat to europeans, they're leaving the bases like cowards.