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ChipWong82

Foreign stocks ruining it for American stocks. Can we ask ICE to deport them?

River_Sandhu

It’s Spains WC, they look the most complete team, so obviously 🥭 will send ICE to their hotel to detain their back four 😂

PalomaNegra888

He's going to announce ICE agents at every polling place (but only in Blue States) to support the "fairness"

sonofalando

Lmaoooo yup ICE engines just don’t feel as nice and you have to go way up market in price to get the type of acceleration you get with electric.

Eddagosp

Tesla was always unreasonable. You don't buy a stock at the value that it **might** be in 5 to 10 years. You'll just be stuck holding the bag for 5 to 10 years. Retail regards started valuing the stock for its *potential* to displace ICE (gas) vehicle market share with EV instead of its *current* manufacturing capabilities. Like going back to 2020 and buying BTC at 100k instead of 10k because "that's what it'll be worth in 5 years." Your prediction ***might*** be correct, but 6 years later you're -40k instead of +50k.

Best-Home-2230

Okay so the media called him deporter in chief, now again I ask you to show me the YouTube videos of the left wing protests during that time frame holding rallies and showing up to interfere with ICE. You're actually proving my point the left wing protests over this was not about some moral stance about deportation because they could have cared less then no matter what the media said about Obama's border policies. If you only become outraged at the policy when someone with the R near their name is doing it you're outraged is fake.

GestapoKittech

My man, are you dumb? They called him the "deporter-in-chief". Will you believe Fox News? [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/may-day-rallies-target-immigration-reform-and-obamas-deportation-rate](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/may-day-rallies-target-immigration-reform-and-obamas-deportation-rate) Or maybe The Guardian? [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/23/democrats-call-on-obama-to-end-deportation-raids-on-women-and-children](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/23/democrats-call-on-obama-to-end-deportation-raids-on-women-and-children) How about PBS? [https://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/headlines/obama-administration-appeals-immigration-reform-to-supreme-court/](https://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/headlines/obama-administration-appeals-immigration-reform-to-supreme-court/) NBC News? [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/arizona-immigration-activists-block-streets-protest-n598016](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/arizona-immigration-activists-block-streets-protest-n598016) MPR News, from 2010 [https://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/07/01/midmorning4](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/07/01/midmorning4) Don't act like it wasn't happening. The reason you didn't see them being shot by ICE is because ICE wasn't as militarized as they are now, dummy.

GestapoKittech

You know people protested the treatment of undocumented immigrants under Obama, right? There were court cases, Obama lost, and ICE was forced to change how they operated. That is all easily discoverable if you cared to look, but instead you just want to repeat what your favorite talking head told you. And your whole "You didn't protest Obama, so I'm going to support Trump who is worse" line of logic is fucking stupid.

Wows_Nightly_News

ICE?

RockmanMike

When he has access to nuclear weapons, drones, and all 3 branches of the military and is actually in the process of bombing them, yeah, he's just "tAlKiNg OuT oF hIs DuMb AsS..." On top of using ICE as brown shirts... You seriously can't be that dumb, right?

eyerollingsex

ICE shootings don’t do numbers anymore People just stopped caring

Best-Home-2230

No you wouldn't just like you didn't care when Obama had kids in cages and was deporting people for no other reason than being here illegally. Just like Trump. You guys can all thumbs me down to cope with the rage of hearing the truth but this nonsense is why I went from being a blue across the board voter to an anyone but blue voter. If it wasn't for double standards you guys would have no standards at all. Feel free to prove me wrong though and show me footage of the massive no kings rallies and activists interfering with ICE agents during the years Obama was deporting people for the exact same reason Trump was. You weren't angry because he had the (D) near his name on ballots. Just like you weren't angry when gas went over 4.00 under Biden but outraged when it happened under Trump. A pretentious cult I'm glad to have finally moved on from.

EntropyAccount

Meanwhile Trump just moves pecies on a a map and says “we attack here”, tarrif this country, ICE can do whatever it wants 😆. Cannabis to S3, wooh wooh, we need hearings, and reviews, and Congress, and then… and then…

OrdinaryMix4013

HOLY SHIT. trump trying to bury the ICE shotttting another civilian story by putting a 20% tax on the straight lmao

prestodigitarium

EVs are much simpler than ICE engines, that’s why China went hard on them, it was an opportunity to get to the front of the pack due to the sea change, because they could make the rest of it more cheaply than anyone else. The counterpoint is that they still can’t make competitive jet engines because the decades of materials science is hard to compress the timelines on. Remains to be seen, but they might have a similarly hard time speeding up starship-class orbital fully reusable rockets.

Awkward-Winner-99

Idk for sure if Chinese ICE cars suck but they do sell really well in China still

creepy_doll

Making electric engines is a lot easier than ICE. Also the batteries are the largest chunk of an electric car, and that part china did master while manufacturing for tesla etc. The precision machining equipment for making modern ICE engines is really quite impressive. I think ICE engines are cool as hell(imagine harnessing the power of explosions to such precision), but it doesn't make sense for china to try to get better at that. They're developing the infrastructure for EV's and they don't need to spend all the money on getting their ICE tech up to scratch.

Charming_Raccoon4361

we need the ICE here

Familiar-Suspect730

For oil research, I try to separate the headline from the actual supply-demand data. Geopolitical events can move prices quickly, but the long-term direction usually comes down to barrels, inventories, demand, and spare capacity. The sources I find most useful are: - EIA (U.S. Energy Information Administration) – excellent for production, inventory, and U.S./global market data. - IEA Oil Market Report – one of the best sources for global supply, demand, and trade flow analysis. - OPEC Monthly Oil Market Report – useful for producer-side data and forecasts. - CME/ICE futures data – helps understand what the market is pricing in. For situations like the Strait of Hormuz, I would focus less on media headlines and more on: 1. Actual tanker flows and export volumes. 2. Global inventory changes. 3. Spare production capacity. 4. Refinery capacity and product markets. 5. Whether demand is strong enough to absorb higher prices. The market can sometimes look irrational because prices are forward-looking. If traders believe a disruption will be temporary, prices may not react as much as the headline suggests. The key is identifying whether the disruption changes the long-term supply-demand balance or is only a short-term shock. The IEA Oil Market Report is probably the best starting point because it combines supply, demand, inventories, and trade analysis in one place.

Dalewyn

> Other than a handful of tiny petro-states, which countries do you imagine Americans believe are wealthier than the US? The answer is none. A plumber in Missouri has a higher take-home pay than a doctor in Germany. The rest of the world is NOT pulling ahead of the US in terms of wealth. It is crazy when Trump goes on rants about how other countries are ripping us off while the typical American is financially so far ahead of the rest of the world. The problem is for how "wealthy" you argue we supposedly are the commons universally agree inflation is rampant, pay is stagnant, and overall their work is not valued as evidenced by the furor of the so-called Rust Belt. As a guy once told Clinton: "It's the economy, stupid!" Harris got crucified in her election for arguing the economy was great and Trump won on the argument that we are getting milked dry. We are not wealthy, at least not by measures accepted by the common American. >I have met exactly zero Americans who think any other country is more militarily powerful. I doubt even most Russians are that delusional. Funny you say Russians are delusional, because I sincerely think Americans who truly believe we are the most powerful military force on the planet are the absolute epitome of delusional. A gold medal in mental gymnastics can't reconcile "most powerful" with "lose every single war". >That defeatist attitude of "we can't make anything anymore" is pure propaganda. Where do you think F35's are made? Or 3D printers? How about Tesla EVs and SpaceX rockets? You want my honest, brutal answer? China. We can "make" literally nothing if China elects to embargo exports of rare earths and other materials necessary for all those high end commodities. Who do you think makes the batteries in those Teslas? BYD. Where do you think all that lithium is mined from? China. Who and where do you think all those electronics components used in an F-35 come from? ~~USA~~China with "Made In USA" stamps. There is a reason the US folded literally overnight once China fired back with trade embargoes in our shortlived tariff trade war. As Trump once told Zelensky: ~~You~~We don't hold the cards. >Trump hasn't taken a government stake in businesses engaged in rolling out rural broadband or Warpspeed, and a good number of the ones he did take a stake in did not take CHIPS Act money. You're right, and we should have taken equity in return. It's too late to do that for them now, but going forward we can and should take equity for every single tax dollar that is spent in the commercial sector. >Here's a radical idea: if you think businesses are wasting tax payer dollars, how about you stop giving them taxpayer dollars? This "socialism is inevitable" stuff is far left drivel. It wasn't socialism that made America great and becoming socialist isn't going to do us any favors. I absolutely agree. Our budget is broken, slashing the expenses must include terminating all manners of tax dollars currently being funneled to businesses, universities, et al.. These are not luxuries we can afford anymore. >Were you under the impression that Africa, the Middle East, and Asia did not have wars before the US came along? I assure you, they did. Look at actual data. The WORLD is at its most peaceful time in hundreds of years. Peaceful is relative, not absolute. It has ticked up in recent years, mostly because Putin invaded Ukraine, which had nothing to do with the US. They did have wars and yes we've made them worse. We should not forget that Iran is the way they are now thanks to the CIA. 9/11 happened because we keep fucking other people's shit up. The world is absolutely not peaceful but that lack of peace can improve by removing American bullshit from the international stage. As an aside: We absolutely had a part in Putin invading Ukraine. Why? Two things: We toppled a pro-Russia government in Ukraine and made Ukraine a non-nuclear state. Both things contributed to Putin choosing to warmonger and we must and will pay our part of the bill when it comes due. >They were free to come and go, not slaves. The "legal" farm workers are more akin to slaves today than were the illegal farm workers. ... As it pertains to productive contributions to society, the only difference between "criminal" farm labor and "legal" farm labor is a piece of government paper. Whether they are legal or illegal, the pressure on wages is the same, housing is the same, medical services required is the same. Therefore, your position is that it is productive employment itself that is the detrimental problem for society. And, you failed basic economics. Illegal aliens literally do not have a right to and should not be present in the country at all, they absolutely induce negative pressures on society that would not exist otherwise. The extent you go to try and justify modern day slavery is appalling. >Collective rights which exceed individual rights are authoritarian nonsense. Individuals have rights. Groups of individuals cannot have rights which exceed that of the individuals which comprise the group. You, as an individual, do not have the right to restrict me from inviting whomever I want to live and work on my property. An individual's right to freedom does not preclude a sovereign right to restrict their entry. Much like you have the right to refuse an individual from entering your property. Illegally crossing the border is akin to breaking into a house, it is not acceptable. If you can't even through the front door, don't be surprised to find your ass thrown right back out. >Governments have the power to restrict immigration. Governments do not have rights. You do not know what sovereign rights even are. >Illegal entry is also part of the game. If you don't like it, you can work to change the rules so that they don't have to wait 25 years and then will find it easier to go through the legal process. Illegal entry is not part of the game, cheating is never acceptable. If a guy is told he cannot enter, he cannot enter. Why the fuck do I even need to spell this out to you? >It is, though. The president is not a king and the federal government cannot dictate to states what they must or must not do beyond as allowed for in the Constitution. Border security is a federal affair that concerns all states, particularly those with land and sea borders. All states are at least required to not inhibit enforcement of federal laws lest they are violating the very mutual understanding holding the union together. >Congress writes the laws describing what funding is allocated to the states and under what conditions. A president cannot just unilaterally change the law and withhold funding because he doesn't like something entirely unrelated that the states are doing. The president has to follow federal law. Congress dictates how federal dollars will be spent, the President is tasked with spending. Trump has proven the President can choose to not spend as directed because Congress can't force that particular issue, and may the court enforce itself as Andrew Jackson once said. Like it or not and for better or worse, the Executive Branch holds the sole power to execute. >No one is talking about refusing to enforce the law. Except you are. If we are a country following the principle of rule of law that includes enforcing federal immigration laws as they stand right now. That includes securing the border, arresting and deporting illegal aliens, and punishing businesses who employ illegal labor. ICE, CBP, and other federal law enforcement like the FBI are tasked with enforcing federal immigration laws. Refusing to cooperate is at best belligerent and resisting as was the case in Minnesota is a straight rejection of rule of law. What even is the point of having a country at that point?

xghtai737

> Any reasonable common American will vehemently disagree, because "wealthy" as in sky high debts and market capitalizations does not translate to wealth as the commons understand it. Definitely not the most powerful either, we're the weakest because we quite literally haven't won a single war yet this century and lost most of our wars in the last one. Other than a handful of tiny petro-states, which countries do you imagine Americans believe are wealthier than the US? The answer is none. A plumber in Missouri has a higher take-home pay than a doctor in Germany. The rest of the world is NOT pulling ahead of the US in terms of wealth. It is crazy when Trump goes on rants about how other countries are ripping us off while the typical American is financially so far ahead of the rest of the world. Look at the data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income#Disposable_income_per_capita_of_households_and_NPISH_(OECD) I have met exactly zero Americans who think any other country is more militarily powerful. I doubt even most Russians are that delusional. Militarily defeating our enemies has never been a problem. Politicians sometimes assign political objectives which cannot be achieved by military means. You ought to know the difference. > In case you missed it, all our "high end" commodities are coming from Asia namely China and Taiwan with some Malaysia. We can't make anything anymore low or high, and that fact has been brutally denied as we continue to become increasingly incapable of seemingly the most simplest things. iPhones and Nvidia GPUs aren't American products, they're Chinese and Taiwanese products respectively. That defeatist attitude of "we can't make anything anymore" is pure propaganda. Where do you think F35's are made? Or 3D printers? How about Tesla EVs and SpaceX rockets? IPhones and NVIDIA chips are designed in the US. And TSMC builds the chips with machines built in Europe - with components made in the US. Example: (American) Zygo corporation makes the high end optics and mirrors which go into (Netherlands) ASML's EUV Lithography machines which (Taiwan) TSMC uses to make the chips which are designed by (American) NVIDIA. Some - not a complete list - of other American companies which TSMC relies on are: Air Products, Applied Materials, Lam Research, KLA Corp, Cadence, Synopsis, Amkor Technology, and Teradyne. And you completely ignored the fact that unemployment is very low while real wages have continued to rise. > We will not return to a successful society if we cannot return to a productive economy. We still are a successful society and we still have a productive economy. Stop navel gazing. > Being a service economy means We service the productive economies. He who makes rules the world. I've just listed a bunch of technologically advanced products that the US produces. Your claim that service economies are trash is without foundation. > It is an inevitable solution to the constant problem that businesses simply take our taxes and waste them away. Rural broadband is by far the most infamous example, and others like CHIPS and Project Warpspeed. If businesses will not make our taxes spent worth our while, the only way to resolve that is by taking their equity at governmental gunpoint. Businesses poisoned the well, they can now drink from it while the taxpayers finally have something to show for their tax dollars. Trump hasn't taken a government stake in businesses engaged in rolling out rural broadband or Warpspeed, and a good number of the ones he did take a stake in did not take CHIPS Act money. Here's a radical idea: if you think businesses are wasting tax payer dollars, how about you stop giving them taxpayer dollars? This "socialism is inevitable" stuff is far left drivel. It wasn't socialism that made America great and becoming socialist isn't going to do us any favors. > The upside is the definitive end of Pax Americana which at this point causes more problems than it gives benefits. Yes, problems like... no more world wars and having among the highest standards of living in the world. > the world has faced constant wars and disturbances to the peace to this day. When you say "we" are in our most peaceful time you do not realize "we" only includes the West. The West is resented in regions like Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia ... Were you under the impression that Africa, the Middle East, and Asia did not have wars before the US came along? I assure you, they did. Look at actual data. The WORLD is at its most peaceful time in hundreds of years. Peaceful is relative, not absolute. It has ticked up in recent years, mostly because Putin invaded Ukraine, which had nothing to do with the US. But, the rate of deaths from wars started dropping when the US took over after WW2 and by world history standards was very low by 2000. > The world will be better off nearly instantly with Pax Americana over, if not necessarily the US and probably the West at large. Spoken like a true Russian. > We as a society have set certain standards for human labor because anything less is inhumane, and despite that you are essentially saying that "Slavery is fine because the slaves are happy." They were free to come and go, not slaves. The "legal" farm workers are more akin to slaves today than were the illegal farm workers. And those standards you are touting were sharply weakened by Trump. Look it up. H2-A guest worker program. The minimum wage was set by the federal government, Trump sharply reduced it, while also removing anti-retaliation protections, safety standards, and so forth. > Criminal labor fueled by illegal aliens causes downward pressure on compensation for legal employment and hosts of other problems on housing and medical services that are stressing our society to its breaking point. They do not benefit our society in aggregate. As it pertains to productive contributions to society, the only difference between "criminal" farm labor and "legal" farm labor is a piece of government paper. Whether they are legal or illegal, the pressure on wages is the same, housing is the same, medical services required is the same. Therefore, your position is that it is productive employment itself that is the detrimental problem for society. And, you failed basic economics. > "Open borders" does not mean literally open borders free-for-all. While their literal physical forms have changed throughout human history, every country and more broadly every society in history has controlled who goes in and out of their borders in some form at all points in time. You are wrong. The US literally had open borders prior to the 1875 Page Act, which was basically just on Chinese. There were no federal immigration laws prior to that. That was just as radical of an experiment in freedom then as it would be today. Some ports of entry run by states collected what amounted to a tax for entry, but there were plenty of places which did not even do that. There were citizenship restrictions right from the beginning, but not immigration restrictions. > Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Noone has a right to enter another country willy nilly, every country reserves their sovereign right to accept or deny entrants at their own discretion and frankly for any reason whatsoever. Collective rights which exceed individual rights are authoritarian nonsense. Individuals have rights. Groups of individuals cannot have rights which exceed that of the individuals which comprise the group. You, as an individual, do not have the right to restrict me from inviting whomever I want to live and work on my property. You cannot gain that right by joining with a group of your friends and declaring that you have such a right. Governments have the *power* to restrict immigration. Governments do not have rights. > If a guy from Mexico or the Philippines is told to wait 25 years to maybe enter the country and immigrate, that's the game. He can take it or leave it. "I don't like that, I'm just gonna enter illegally." is not acceptable. Illegal entry is also part of the game. If you don't like it, you can work to change the rules so that they don't have to wait 25 years and then will find it easier to go through the legal process. > The problem is deliberately refusing to cooperate with federal law enforcement, and in extreme cases like Minnesota where federal law enforcement is outright resisted, is not in any way acceptable. It is, though. The president is not a king and the federal government cannot dictate to states what they must or must not do beyond as allowed for in the Constitution. > States and municipalities don't want to enforce federal laws? Alright, fine. But don't get in the way of federal law enforcement, and don't be surprised if the federal government subsequently has second thoughts about federal aid you might be receiving. Congress writes the laws describing what funding is allocated to the states and under what conditions. A president cannot just unilaterally change the law and withhold funding because he doesn't like something entirely unrelated that the states are doing. The president has to follow federal law. > Refusing to enforce the law by definition denies the rule of law. No one is talking about refusing to enforce the law. But, not all branches of government are tasked with enforcing every law. ICE is not going to investigate burglaries in Minnesota because doing so is out of their jurisdiction. Similarly, local police do not have an obligation to enforce federal law. A separation of powers prevents too much power from accumulating in one person.

vandalizethethief

He has made almost no ROE at Tesla. Almost all profits come from government mandated tex credit programs. These were all 100% margin that ICE manufacturers would pay Tesla to offset excess emissions. No more credits, no more profits. Just poorly built and obscenely priced vehicles that have a stigma attached to them now. Somehow, he kept this going for a decade and during the years everyone was like "Musk is the Greatest! He is saving our planet and shooting to take it to Mars." All while making grandiose claims that he founded Tesla, bought bankrupt Solar City from his brother, called a cave rescuer a pedo & numerous other lies

Weak_Emu3659

Call ICE on them

fomoandyoloandnogrow

ICE gonna turn Texas blue. Such insanity

gethereddout

Nothing I’ve said is inconsistent. Your arguments, on the other hand, are in bad faith. You act like you care about laws, yet support the most lawless president we’ve ever had. A literal criminal, a convicted rapist who was spared prison by taking the Presidency. Local police and ICE are different agencies. There is no impediment by disallowing local police to do ICE’s gestapo work for them. People who deserve Visas are being denied constantly- you don’t know that because are not ingesting honest information. You talk about our borders. The nation you hold so sacred. You know we stole it right? What’s actually sacred, and what’s actually worth having pride in, is our democracy. But fascists like you are throwing it all away just to be racist. We don’t have an immigration problem, we have a christian nationalist, white supremacist problem. And people like you are pretending that’s not your goal, but we can see clearly now that it is. Just look at what ya’ll are doing- this is fascism.

pseudonominom

The DOJ has subpoenaed Reddit to get user identities specifically because they’re critical of Trump. Are you not paying attention to what’s been happening? ICE is building prisons ten times the size of the illegal immigrant population. Connect the dots, man.

jxkxs

Buy Tesla. Gas prices up to increase Tesla sales. ICE agents sending illegals back so their jobs can be taken by Tesla robots. Telsa robots eventually end up in homes. Every guy will buy one so their wives can give orders to something that has to listen.

AdIndependent3751

Minnesotans be like: No more Mr. ICE guy

Medium_Beautiful_721

Quietly stopped all those heinous ICE raids before midterms

jeunpeun99

ICE did kill citizens, installed by orange man?

WickOfDeath

ICE was clearly the invention of the republican party. American GESTAPO.

DanceMyth4114

Last time a car manufacturer did this, a governor had ICE raid them and arrested dozens of people who were here legally.

undystains

Nah, probably just threatened to send a couple hundred ICE agents down on the US FIFA stadiums.

Sufficient-Skill9530

This is going to be a fairly meaty post… China inexplicably stopped importing somewhere around 5M-6M barrels per day and have left their refineries sit idle since about the time that Trump visited Xi earlier this year. If I were a betting man, which in a sense I am because I am holding predominantly Canadian heavy crude producers, I suspect that Trump made a deal with China that involved an exchange for influence over Taiwan. If you had to ask me about timing, I don’t think China will hold off imports until midterms and instead Trump asked them to postpone refinery runs until after July 4. Trump’s a two bit flimflam man and the 250 celebration is his big show. I think there is incontrovertible evince that Trump and Bessent are tag teaming oil futures… The key number from the WTI Physical contract: - Non-commercial longs: 360,524 contracts. Non-commercial shorts: 230,223 contracts. Commercial longs: 919,786. Commercial shorts: 1,090,512. The concentration data is the really interesting part: - For WTI on ICE, just 4 or fewer traders hold 35.2% of all short open interest. Eight or fewer traders hold 48.5% of all short open interest. - The CFTC knows who the 4 traders are holding 35% of short interest — but won't publish it. The SEC enforcement chief quit rather than drop cases touching Trump's circle and the CFTC chair is a Trump appointee. - There’s no other way to explain both WTI and Brent being in contango during the greatest energy supply shock in history without it being a coordinated institutional short.  Here’s some more salient info.. - SPR at 340.3M barrels — lowest since July 1983 - 412M barrel coordinated release across 32 nations — sovereign governments confessing physical shortage in real time, not traders being bearish - Global stockpiles drew at a record 4.8 mb/d while prices returned to pre-war levels — the arithmetic doesn't reconcile with "demand destruction explains it" - US distillate/gasoline stocks at multi-decade lows, Cushing near operational minimum; US domestic low prices cannot be explained by Hormuz dark-fleet uncertainty - The SPR release was structured as an exchange (repay 2026–2029 at 18–24% premium)  - Some loaded tankers have left Hormuz, but you can check Rory Johnston twitter posts for daily tanker movement and there’s been nothing out close to prewar traffic nor anything close to balancing the 1.5B barrel deficit  - Brookings calculates all global supply buffers (Russian/Iranian floating storage, IEA releases) exhaust by July 9 — almost exactly when the August WTI contract expires (July 22) - War is still a slow boil; Israel is still in Lebanon, and recently attacked Syria; there’s was also some shit that went down in the Iraq green zone near the US consulate that no one seems to be talking about - Oh, and Russia is getting around 1M barrel per day less out from all the Ukraine attacks which alone would justify some risk premium  - Considering all of this, WTI and Brent are basically flat from where they were before the war started and Exxon is trading at mid-January prices  Sources below… Positioning reports…  - https://research.titanfx.com/cftc/cot-nyoil Look below under “concentration of positions”…  - https://www.cftc.gov/MarketReports/CommitmentsofTraders/index.htm Current contract contango…  - https://commoplast.com/news/details/19356/#:~:text=This%20shift%20confirms%20a%20near,and%20%2480%20by%20year%2Dend. Also, this is an article from three months ago about Japan considering shorting oil to stabilize the Yen… - https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-shifts-focus-oil-unorthodox-scramble-talk-up-yen-2026-03-26/ This is all to say, oil prices do not make sense at the around or below $70. You can tell by the refining crack spread where refineries are making almost $70 overtop of the crude price. That’s insane. The crack spread to turn a barrel of oil into product is basically as much as the barrel of crude itself. All of these anomalies scream to me that Trump panicked about high gas prices interfering with his big 250 celebration and made a deal with China about the future of Taiwan.  There’s some undeniable facts, but a lot of my reasoning is admittedly circumstantial. 

Livid-Grocery7942

Geez by the way some of you are acting as if I was the one destroying the environment personally, you’d probably freak out if you learned I’m long on GEO and CXW because they work with ICE and their guaranteed funding through 2028 because of the reconciliation bill that passes a month and a half ago. I’m up over 10% there there in a that time 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

HardradaTheKing

You could pick sectors that are down. This way you spread the risks over multiple stocks in a sector you deem good to hold for a couple of years. My advise would be to look at healthcare, financials and software. Also think about buying some CBOE, ICE or CME as a volatility hedge. If you wanna get more spicy, pick a small amount of AI infrastructure stocks like Marvell, Coherent, Arista or Credo. Safer AI would be Nvidia; since it is getting cheaper by the quarter. Stocks go up and down, but when in doubt: zoom out.

Soffatjockis

Yay! What are we celebrating? Elon hitting trillionaire? ICE? Mango earning 2.2 Bn during his presidency? War in iran? Israel? All of the above?

Own-Wolverine-5361

Careful. ICE monitoring this shit

WickOfDeath

every country has it's burden, it's benefits and it's average tax rate. If I am in the upper mid class my average tax and contributions for health and pension are up to 50% regardless in which country I am living in. Some countries have a clearly uneven distribution of wealth. And each country gets what it deserves... you can decide by yourself if Trump is a benefit or a burden, but 50.01% elected him and 100% of all citiizens inside of the USA and 50% of all citizens outside of the USA have to live with that what he thinks is "art of the deal". What I clearly distate is the exuberation you have in the USA, if you are against something you arent just "the other side", they declare you as an extremist, as an enemy of the nation, and if you are so unfortunate that one of your parents is an immigrant they send the ICE and carry that parent away...

BlackKnightsOptions

Yeah ICE this one right here

mm_newsletter

Makes sense. They already have the facilities, compliance history, and contracts. That matters when the government suddenly needs beds fast. But I think this whole trade depends on contract timing, politics, and whether ICE keeps leaning on the existing operators or pushes more warehouse-style capacity elsewhere.

Scary-Bobcat-9444

When your ADHD and head injury become so severe that you can't even get your ADHD medication and have wasted three plane tickets... Seriously, does Canada have ICE? Who can deport me? I'll pay you.

confused_teabagger

There are jobs if you are H1b enough or if you work in low-level health care or if you can speak spanish and want a job with ICE.

creemeeseason

It might be debt for ICE, but the whole sector is getting crushed. Even low debt names like CME and MIAX are massively down. The selloff really got going when new competition was announced in Bitcoin futures, so I'm guessing it's more competitive concerns with AI making new markets possible.

Sufficient_Habit5091

The threat to ICE is not AI. It's very high debt levels, perps and potential changes to regulation that could squeeze margins.

creemeeseason

Both ICE and CPRT getting really interesting here, both charts are terrible though. ICE around 15-16x forward (depending where you get your data) seems like a steal unless you think they get destroyed by AI.

unclefire

ICE cores sampled for trapped gasses.

halfpastnein

you bring that up but don't mention he's a sucker for ICE? https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitter/s/6FjzKsOr0H

crazyj140

You should take your own advice and do what any “decent” person would do and go volunteer for ICE.

Herny_

And concludes that “any decent person” would volunteer for ICE… rough

theSherlockView

Started off with raise at 54, then there was a sector wide sell off due to US allowing competition on perpetuals for bitcoin i think. I think the suggestion was it could grow to other sectors causing CME/ICE to sell off hard. But I think Abaxx got caught up in it even though their business model is different. Focusing on physically settled futures + new T+0 tech for 24/7 trading. Then the short report hit, if you read it, you would see how terrible it was. They make up financials, and they don't even know how futures contracts work. Abaxx responded with hiring lawyers. But the report did its job, people panic sold causing further drops. Then I think it lead to people selling thinking they will just by back lower and trade this. Eventually there is a lower limit. I think its close to around that but its impossible to know. Seems like shorts haven't covered at all yet. If they start, then everyone panic selling will probably fomo back in. I have heard fidelity family office has been adding on these dips as well

street-trash

Nope. They are talking about "tearing down wall" between church and state. Trump personal army of masked goons, ICE has gone dark but they are still growing and are receiving tens of billions more in funding. Trump is playing some sort of long game to try and steal the mid-terms over a national emergency. The "Understanding" with Iran has been anything but, and now we are bombing each other again. And republicans just seem to accept anything the guy says or does over the long run. They are even defending his statements about someone slicing a 300 foot gash in the reflecting pool with a strong knife.

sanduskyjack

Well Trump doesn’t understand math, or common words used in the US. He never stops talking, and supposedly writing on Truth Social is non stop. Of course, Truth Social was went public in March 2024 with an $8 billion valuation. By mid-2026, the company's valuation hovered around $2.8 billion, and shares of the stock have experienced significant drops throughout the year. Everything Trump works on is either illegal or an absolute failure. How any American could Trump him simply shows our education system is a program. Here’s a list of only some of his failures. **Reducing the** [**minimum wage**](https://www.epi.org/blog/trumps-blatant-attack-on-workers-you-may-not-have-heard-about-cutting-the-wages-of-nearly-half-a-million-workers/) **for nearly 400,000 federal contractors:** President Trump rescinded an executive order that increased the minimum wage for federal contractors to $15 per hour in 2022 and indexed it to inflation. The minimum hourly wage for federal contractors had reached $17.75 by the time he eliminated the policy.  **Stopping** [**enforcement of misclassification protections**](https://www.epi.org/policywatch/department-of-labor-delays-defense-of-independent-contractor-rule/) **for workers illegally classified as independent contractors:** This [robs workers](https://www.epi.org/publication/misclassifying-workers-2025-update/) of minimum wage, overtime, workers’ compensation, and other basic rights.  **Finalizing an** [**interim final rule**](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/10/02/2025-19365/adverse-effect-wage-rate-methodology-for-the-temporary-employment-of-h-2a-nonimmigrants-in-non-range) **that will radically cut the wages of all farm workers:** The rule reduces the minimum wages paid to migrant farm workers in the H-2A program and deducts up to 30% of their hourly pay for housing costs. These wage cuts for H-2A workers are so massive that they will put downward pressure on the wages of *all* farm workers, including U.S. citizens. Farm workers as a whole will lose between $4.4 to $5.4 billion in pay—roughly 10% to 12% of their total wages. The Trump administration [admitted](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/10/11/immigration-crackdown-food-prices/)that their immigration enforcement efforts are hurting farmers and will likely lead to higher food prices—an admission they use to justify the pay cuts. **Denying 2 million in-home health care workers minimum wage and overtime pay:** In July, the Trump administration [proposed a rule rescinding](https://www.epi.org/publication/epis-comments-on-dols-proposed-rule-on-application-of-the-fair-labor-standards-act-to-domestic-service/) the 2013 home health care worker rule, which gave in-home care workers the right to earn the minimum wage and overtime pay for the first time. The Department of Labor also [stopped enforcing](https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/WHD/fab/fab2025-4.pdf) the 2013 rule, effectively giving employers the green light to ignore it during the rollback process.  **Facilitating the** [**inclusion of cryptocurrencies**](https://www.epi.org/policywatch/department-of-labor-facilitates-inclusion-of-cryptocurrencies-among-401k-investment-options/) **among 401(k) investment options:** The Trump administration rescinded guidance that warned employers they would face heightened scrutiny if they included cryptocurrency investments in their retirement plans. This “neutral approach” to cryptocurrency, alongside other types of retirement investment strategies, could expose millions of future retirees to significant financial risk. ICE, ICE and more ICE>

azure275

He is the King because Congress decided to let him be the king Congress could roll back about 80% of what he's done with zero issue if they wanted to. Tariffs? Gone. ICE? They can put rules on funding. Elections? Easy to pass a law. Wars? They can revoke authority They have just consistently chosen to sit on their hands

Auwardamn

Well as of their Press Release on 6/21, they had 97M CAD in cash, and \~38.64M shares outstanding which puts them at **$2.51 CAD per share alone in pure cash, with no debt** (they can force conversion of their outstanding debenture. Then you have the fully licensed exchange and clearinghouse which has a 200M+ USD liquidation comp: See the Singapore Mercantile Exchange which sold for 150M USD to ICE in 2013, not inflation adjusted, losing $20M USD per year with 8.2K ADV... Abaxx ADV currently at 17.5K and rising quickly, with today being 44.7K contracts. 200M USD / 38.64M shares = $5.18 USD per share / .75 = $6.90 CAD per share Then you have the LabMag and KeMag deposits that are valued at literally zero on their books, but could reasonably fetch a distressed sale value of $100M USD if needed (not needed, which is why they sit around on the balance sheet until they can sell for much closer to 1B+ in a decade). 100M USD / 38.64 = $2.73 USD per share / .75 = $3.64 CAD per share So right there, you're looking at $2.51+$6.90+$3.64 = 13 CAD in book value alone. Maybe don't count on automated software to calculate a book value?

fire_alarmist

Bunch of mexicans blaring their mariachi music across the street and yelling while doing construction and having to look at this nonsense with that in the background is gunna make me crash out and call ICE on them ngl.

Little-Somewhere6076

[Intercontinental Exchange, Inc. (ICE) Stock Price, News, Quote & History - Yahoo Finance](https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/quote/ICE/) The NYSE is explicitly not a privately held company. Its a publicly held company

abroadbroadband

Sometimes I forget we're supposed to talk about stocks here I am on THIN ICE with the mods 🫪

RelentlessPutz

If i came here to visit from a country where BBQ didn't exist.. bro I'm never going back.. ICE would have to hunt me down. How tf do you not have real slow cooked juicy saucey BBQ...

Odd_Junket_2926

Yeah, it's almost as bad as the US. The only thing missing over here is ICE, otherwise it would be just as bad.

tropicalia84

Small caps and TLT absolutely parabolic today Big money already has the PCE report for tomorrow and it’s ICE COLD

Nickel4me

I was driving the other day to a relatives house on Father’s Day. I COULD NOT believe how many cars were on the road. I recall 30yrs ago driving in the car with my parents during those times…so many more cars on the road now! Anyway, I bought $100K worth of Goodyear Tire (GT) on 6/19, leap calls…I cannot even recall expiry as I was too focused on how many cars with 4 wheels were on the road. Also threw in another $40 large on BP because so many cars are still ICE. Lol

Savagebabypig

Is this as regarded as the DD some other dude posted a year or so ago about buying Puts on Walmart cuz illegals liked to shop at Walmart and since the 🥭 administration was letting the ICE dogs out, Walmarts biggest consumer base would be gone

Proper_Jeweler_9238

I thought Elon already worked with ICE to remove aliens 🤢

CosmicQuantum42

Backing the dollar with gold is 100% the opposite of Trump’s agenda. You can say what you want about gold, but backing the dollar with it would stop US deficit spending in its tracks. Social Security and Medicare would fall apart immediately. Lots of government spending would be forcibly cut (including ICE) because the gold to cover it wouldn’t exist. Trump would be in a tiny powerless box with a gold standard, couldn’t even pay a lot of the military. He will not ever do this.

cripky

Hello ICE yes this one right here

bazkin6100

Electric cars were first built in 1800s, Ford had a prototype in 1914. It was just cheaper to go with ICE and there was a lack of organized investment. Comparing the comlexity of a data center in space to an electric car is bonkers

tech01x

From this thread, it is clear that people have not seriously looked at what kind of impact robotaxi's would have across the world. There are about 3 trillion VMT's for light passenger vehicles in the US alone, annually. Right now, taxicab service is about 1-2% of that, mainly due to pricing, which is roughly $2-4+ a mile. And the cost to deliver that service is high, with the net - net, between drivers and the rideshare companies, sometimes not even breaking even. The cost for public transport is usually over $1 a mile, while the use fees cover a small part of that. The cost for private vehicles, all in, is around $0.50 to $1.00 a mile, with most ICE vehicles around $0.70-80/mile. The point of robotaxi's is to get the cost to deliver transport services at well below private vehicle ownership costs. The target for Tesla's Cybercab is $0.20/mile. But let's say they don't get there, they only get to $0.40/mile, double that cost. The addressable market goes up dramatically as the price one offers for transport approaches private vehicle ownership, much less going below that price. Let's say that in 2031, Tesla can charge $0.80/mile, and their cost is $0.60/mile ($0.30 cost per mile, 50% dead head miles). At $0.20/mile profit after all in costs, taking 1% of the annual VMT's in the US would be a profit of $6.5 billion, or a valuation of $195 billion at 30 P/E. For every 1% of the US annual VMT's translates into about a valuation of $195 billion at 30 P/E. At 50 P/E, it would be $325 billion valuation, and at 75 P/E, that would be $488 billion valuation. Take 5% of US annual VMT's, that's $1 to 2.5 trillion valuation across the 30-75 P/E. But then realize that Tesla isn't just doing the US. It will do it across the globe. Just cutting dead head miles significantly would boost profits dramatically. There could be many companies taking 2-5% of annual VMT's and still have lots of room. There is a huge shift from making the profit off a vehicle sale of about $6,000 versus selling transport per mile. As the cost to the consumer drops below private vehicle ownership, ability to take significant chunks of VMT's goes up a lot.

EntireAmbition6511

the sheer amount of explaining you're having to do to try to liken the issues we have with insurance in america to literally gunning down people who disagree with you is staggering. You are the reason democrats, lose as often as they do, and centrists get pushed right. Im not right wing, nor a trump supporter before you bang that drum blindly. I can tell you are very upset, and you made a bunch of assumpions in your statement so ill break it down piece by piece. Pointing to Iran on a map isnt hard, its a fairly big country. sounds like projection google has a good maps feature you can put iran into it and it will show you where it is. Uhh the amount of people that have died in ICE custody with a quick google search is 18 people this year, that includes medical complications etc while being detained im aware of two people that were shot on the streets of america by ice. Just 39,980 to go i guess? Your justification for them murdering their own people is because the west have been meddling in affairs in the middle east for a while. just read that out to yourself a few times. The extremist regime gets to murder their own people because "the west bad", be better. You said i feigned concern for 40k civilians getting shot down for expressing a freedom of speech that dont exist. Yes thats concerning, if you dont think that is concerning you are a massive problem to society and need to be investigated tbh. You also presumed i was in or part of the same government as you. i get the feeling you're american, so nope, there are more countries out there than just the usa. I also dont have numbers for people killed in iran for being gay. Or the hundreds of women and girls who get killed every year in "honor killings" where the men are exempt from punishment for murdering the women in their family. I also dont have the numbers of innocent civilians killed by the terroist proxies iran has in multiple different countries commiting henious acts all in the name of the iranian regime. But, they're the good guys right?

Arniefickel

Love this President...my 401 K is booming , he is in liberals heads 24/7, illegal immigrants heads are on a swivel seeing ICE everywhere, self deporting. Iran's military is destroyed they are no longer a ( Biden ( Cancer) in the Middle East. Jews are safe. European countries are in board now with the Trump immigration plan. ( Told you so) and women are finally fighting back against trannies and winning. 

AsANetflixSubscriber

When they floated the idea of renaming ICE to NICE it would’ve been too on the fucking nose if any of those regards had ever read the book instead of reading quotes from it in tweets they failed to understand.

Prestigious_Ostrich4

right to bear arms, more power to the states and less to the federal government, lower taxes, honestly looking at it now im more of an independent, because i hate what ICE is doing, i hate how people hate on people who are lgbtq+ and try and make them seem less than human. to answer the other question, i dont know, i really dont pay attention to the candidates until about 6 months to the election.

WollopDollop

I don't expect their Q2 costs to get back to pre-raid levels. And I wasn't ranting, I was stating stating a fact that their cost per gram skyrocketed after the vast majority of their cultivation labor was rounded up. I feel bad for those individuals, to be clear. GH should be under a microscope but in this administration it was probably a one-and-done show of ICE force. So maybe their costs do come back down. Read the transcript from the last quarter, if you think I'm ranting. They talk in their scripted remarks about the challenges replacing cultivation labor with 5 years of experience vs. new hires with 5 months of experience. That indicates this has been part of their model for a long time. I'm sure you know the reason illegal labor is used is because it's significantly cheaper than legal labor. They don't talk about that explicitly for obvious reasons. Over 360 individuals were captured by ICE. That's is approximately the entire team at Glasshouse. And anyone who knows cannabis cultivation knows it's not rocket science that needs years of experience to master if there is a solid system in place. If you don't own the stock it's even more bizarre you are here defending them and downvoting any dissenters. Maybe read their own management's statements about the realities of what last July meant for them. Going back to enjoying my weekend, good luck to ya bud

WollopDollop

Q2 2025: $0.23 Q3 2025: $0.28 (when ICE raid occurred - 20%+ increase) Q4 2025: $0.28 Q1 2026: $0.39 (management citing "labor efficiencies" as a reason for spike LMAO. Read their transcript they even cite pre- and post-raid changes) Can't wait to see what Q2 2026 unfolds. They're probably back to hiring illegals through a 3rd party. Your thesis seems to be "ur wrong!" Good luck with your bags

mrbezlington

BYD, Xiaomi. Geeley and Chery have only just turned that corner on EVs, but have large ICE divisions to lean on.

irrelephantiasis

turns out when that person goes missing due to ICE flock surveillance… not really that helpful in finding them. 🤔

garden_speech

bruh the Chinese have had much cheaper cars available domestically than the US for a very long time. this was true for ICE vehicles too. people were writing articles [in 2005 about how the $6,000 Chinese econobox would come for the American market](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/09/26/car-town). so no, it's not "just a matter of time". there are a lot of roadblocks. legal ones (crash testing, etc), social/societal ones (stigma), and just plain policy ones, like tariffs. we have tariffed small trucks for like half a century now. the rest of the world can drive much smaller cheaper trucks than we can.

TheRC135

Does Polymarket let you ~~bet on~~ invest in domestic violence futures? Because if you see an ICE agent in a Cyber Truck, that's easy money.

ed-o-mat

SpaceX in 2025: 18.7 bn $ revenue, 2.6 bn $ losses, approximately 22k employees. Does Rockets, Satelites and maybe some AI stuff. Comparison... Bosch in 2025: 102.8 bn $ revenue 2.0 bn $ ebit, approximately 412k employees. Produces basically everything in automotive from ICE components to BEV power trains to cameras, ECUs, Sensors and otger things, sells hundreds of millions of MEMS, sells E-Bikes, Powertools, Washing Machines, HVACs and loads of other stuff. Estimated valuation: 40-50 bn $. So SpaceX has 20 times less employees, less than 1/5 of revenue, has more losses than bosch has earnings. But its valuation is over 40 times higher... Bubble will pop at some point.

alemorg

I actually saw ICE use teslas so it looks like they really are

ShittyUsernane1222

which 3 letter government agencies are represented the most in wsb (pick 1 from the list) ? 1. CIA (US) 2. NSA(US) 3. FBI (US) 4. DIA (US) 5. NGA(US) 6. FSB (Russia) 7. MSS (China) 8. KGB (Belarus) 9. MI6 (UK) 10. MI5 (UK) 11. ICE (US) 12. GCHQ (UK) 13. BND (germany) 14. Verfassungsschutz (Germany) 15. Other

VenusbyTuesdayTV

Hi Everyone, I bought a significant (double digit) number of May 2027 cocoa futures contracts when the Iran War started in early March 2027 at a cost price of USD 3,500 and my target price is USD 14,000. The contract is currently trading at USD 4,000. I am fundamentally more bullish than this guy. I am betting on a redux of 23/24 where cocoa soared to USD 12k, but this time it will be even worse. Why do I say it? 1) ONI is a measure of the strength of the El Nino. The ONI [https://dashboard.theclimatebrink.com/#enso](https://dashboard.theclimatebrink.com/#enso) is pointing at 3.3C while the 23/24 El Nino only peaked at 2C. In other words, this El Nino is significantly stronger than 23/24. 2) In 26/27, the El Nino will peak in November, similar to the 23/24 El Nino which peaked in December, just in time to ruin the main crop (75-80% of cocoa is produced here). The teleconnection is heavy downpours till July 2026 (causing Black Pod disease) and then drought + heatwaves + Harmattan from September 2026 onwards. Very heavy rains are already forecasted next week in Ivory Coast, particularly next Saturday. That country is responsible for 42% of global supply: https://x.com/MarcusWeather1/status/2064013212614533545. Ghana is just next door geographically and should suffer from a similar weather. 3) This time unlike in 23/24, the COT data is showing that both managed money and producers/users are net short. I am not advocating a short squeeze, but it might happen. 4) This time, NY ICE inventories is about 2/3 of the volume at Jan 2024. In other words, there is less of a buffer existing today than before the 23/24 supply shock. 5) The farmgate prices in ghana and ivory coast have already reflected the extremely low cocoa prices. Therefore, producers have no incentive to optimise production and use fertiliser / pesticide etc. this cycle for the 26/27 harvest. The bulls are well aware of the near term oversupply in the mid-crop. The mid crop is only 15-20% of the global cocoa supply. The demand destruction narrative should also turn around by Q3 this year as it is well known that chocolate prices lag cocoa prices (when cocoa prices fall) by 9 months. In other words, by Q3, chocolate prices will fall to reflect the cocoa prices of USD 3-4k, not the elevated USD 8k-12k. Hence, there will be a demand rebound right at the timing when the El Nino will cause the market to worry about supply. This is not investment advice.

Glad-Veterinarian365

ICE gonna deport u

PickkleRiick

You’re saying Don Jr secretly married Maduro? Is that what the whole Venezuela thing was about? Smuggling an illegal immigrant past ICE so he could have an anchor baby with Don JR?

Bazzer82

MSFT is going to get deported by ICE.

yantheman3

Missing ICE agents taking out Juan

corndog_messiah

My allocation of 20 SPCX shares came with a notification that ICE agents were standing by if I decided to sell within the first 15 days. What does that mean? Is it normal?

Valkorion335786

America will win the World Cup ICE will deport all other teams Thank you for your attention to this matter

qbtsquantum

As you said Iran is Not going to make a deal .. is not there is a risk to us on us soil, some terrorist attack, while attention is focused on the war front and ICE?! Hope and pray NOT .🙏

King_Chochacho

Fewer cases of COVID if you just stop testing! Fewer deaths in ICE detention centers if you stop reporting them! Don't know why economists and mathematicians didn't figure this shit out decades ago. Probably too busy doing woke shit like statistics.

GenitalWartHogg

Easy-E’s ICE Cube’s and D.O.C’s The Snoop D-O-double-Gs And the group that said, "Motherfuck the police"

superbilliam

Looks like good picks to me for the most part. There are swaps for most of them if you want bumpier, but maybe more upside...like ICE or CME for SPGI... would I do that? Nah. You're good. That's good to be relaxed and know enough not to be worried in general. Market goes up. Market goes down. Market goes up...repeat.

spellbadgrammargood

Calling it now, USA will win the world cup because of ICE.

Jewwbaccaa

You mean ICE $SPCE https://preview.redd.it/sqshnlwv6b6h1.jpeg?width=187&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bca33e1d2eb921857ed4d1dd3f04601fc9e8677

the_doodman

Hi! Here's your 3-year update: Tesla still valuable and leading the industry. Stellantis: * Reported first annual net loss in 2025 * Postponed multiple EV programs * Pivoted away from all-EV plans in favor of multi-powertrain Toyota: * Delayed US EV production by a year * Slashed global EV targets by 1/3 * Walking back aggressive EV approach in favor of hybrids GM * Severe battery production failures leads to output decline and missed targets * Postponed launches, cancelled Ultium branding Ford * $12B losses over 2.5 years * Delayed next-gen Lightning, profitability issues * Idled mach E production due to severely low demand * Pivoting more towards hybrids VW * Software issues lead to delayed models * ID.Buzz paused due to soft demand BMW * Plagued with recalls and reliability issues * Paused US EV production in 2025 Mercedes * Paused EQ lineup and cut prices to clear inventory and sharp sales declines * Forecasting that ICE vehicles will remain well into the 2030s * High inventory and depreciation issues with high end models

fullouterjoin

He most definitely has ICE skating Nazis.

MysteriousWhitePowda

I am not oil industry but adjacent with lots of friends in the industry. From their point of view oil futures are exactly like livestock, used for hedging against price shocks. But yeah, lots of speculators out there these days, especially now, and especially on the micro/mini contracts. Really interesting market few people are aware of is energy trading - like actual power delivered through the North American grid or gas pipeline capacity - traded on the ICE (Intercontinental Exchange) and through day ahead markets. The systems used to do the analytics and trading in these spaces are cool AF. Now I’ve gone off on a tangent, damn ADHD

GenitalWartHogg

Matter of fact. ICE(the exchange) has a direct feed from Reddit and creating some sentiment related shit to peddle it to buy side. Edit: [ ](https://ir.theice.com/press/news-details/2026/Intercontinental-Exchange-Launches-Reddit-Signals-and-Sentiment-Tool-Providing-Actionable-Market-Indicators-for-Investors/default.aspx)[ICE Product](https://ir.theice.com/press/news-details/2026/Intercontinental-Exchange-Launches-Reddit-Signals-and-Sentiment-Tool-Providing-Actionable-Market-Indicators-for-Investors/default.aspx)

ChornWork2

No. AI boom is saving trump on gdp metric and ICE thugs are saving trump from unemployment. But yeah, the fundamentals are terrible and if this continues significant risk of stagflation.

Jerhed89

It makes sense to a degree I think. 1. Numbers may be fudged and we will see a big downward revision again. 2. As folks are laid off due to “AI” or new are new college grads, they could be taking service jobs that were traditionally held by migrant workers, but have been left opened due to ICE actions. 3. Healthcare I think was the biggest uptick, which makes sense given our aging population. I’d imagine we are seeing staffing in PE backed healthcare facilities designed for end of life or sunset years care. 4. As plenty of others have said so far, local government is hiring. It makes sense when some federal orgs has massive cuts and now the state or municipality needs to pick it up. This can range from hhs, parks & rec, transportation, and others. Probably the biggest reason stocks tanked is because inflation is going up, and if employment is also going up, the risk of stagflation is increased. You can’t cut rates, leaving the only option to keep them steady or increase rates.