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NerdSlamPo

ICE is seriously getting stun gloves. bullish for AXON

Worried_Quarter469

Need these calls to hit before they deploy the shock glove ICE on the poors

ithastogoupfromhere

a leap is an option where the expire is far out about 1-3 years, in case of Hertz this is at least for me a bet on restructure from the EV desaster back to ICE cars. Long dated options can be very expensive but for htz is't very good

Commercial_Seat_3704

Good ol ICE-FIGHT. Long live the legend.

interwebzdotnet

The government or the companies that collected your data are using it in their own silo. They are sharing it with a third party to further their own business or strategy,they arent magically mixing it with other entities. If the government has your data they just have it, whatever they do with it within their own ecosystem is their choice, there's no controversy there. Its not like the government is saying ohh,we have all this data,hey Palantir,go to your Walmart customer list and cross reference the tax returns against shoppers buying big ticket items at Walmart. They are saying hey, we're going to use this ICE data with the tax records to make some connections. While I don't approve of ICE at all, it's just the government using data they collected .. it's the collection methods and lack of accountability that I have major issues with.

Lucaslouch

indeed. the request for a 1.5 trillion budget for the army and his private militia (ICE), will ensure this

Strong_Bowler1723

were those the dissenters that the guy-in-the-red-hat publically said he armed for the purpose of committing treason against their own government? I'm tired, buddy. Red-Hat killed TWO peaceful American protesters in cold blood during the whole ICE thing, so how do you think he would react if Xi armed thousands of Americans to overthrow the U.S. government? Are you capable of being human for even a moment of your life, or has your "sin" for lack of a better word completely consumed that?

mist_kaefer

All the new ICE agents: “My life for Hire!”

Midpoint60

A masked ICE-man just broke into my portfolio and is asking for ID.

AmericanSahara

It all shows the population decline - ICE grabbing people, people self-deporting, and a deterrence to immigration into the USA. At the moment unemployment remains low and declined in July despite the decline in payrolls. Soon the job loss multiplier effect will cause unemployment to start to increase as more stores close, more houses sit vacant, hospital beds sit vacant, and there are fewer weddings and births.

AmericanSahara

I believe that job losses are caused by the decline in the population. I guess about 50,000 people are removed by ICE per month as of July of 2026. And every month possibly hundreds of thousands maybe self-deporting, and hundreds of thousands maybe deterred from coming to the US. This loss of population causes a job loss multiplier effect. When one person isn't working, there is less spent on food, rent, transportation, etc. Yesterday I noticed a lot of extra items stacked in the lanes at the grocery store. So grocery stores maybe laying off workers and more people lose jobs. Home construction will probably slow more if more housing units are vacant. It's very clear that today's job report shows unemployment declining even though payrolls have declined [fewer jobs]. So the labor shortage still shows, and we will probably have stagflation until we start seeing the unemployment rate going up and wages declining - not good for more people.

skilliard7

> Are you willing to do the same with immigration crackdowns being a driver of unemployment? You completely pulled that out of your ass. >If we're talking doing research, deportations in the current administration are about level with where they were pre-pandemic and not close to where they were in the late-00's/early-10's when unemployment was dropping consistently. Immigration crackdowns are not a driver in the unemployment rate, no matter how you slice it. It's true that deportations are not much higher than historically, but what is changing is people are leaving voluntarily or choosing not to come to America. The horror stories about ICE in the news are having a real impact. The other factor is that people in the country illegally are afraid to work, because there's a lot more news of workplace crackdowns on construction sites and other workplaces often associated with undocumented labor. See this article from a progressive think tank: https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release-trumps-immigration-crackdown-is-weakening-americas-labor-market/ >In its jobs report [From March 2026], the Bureau of Labor Statistics incorporated new population adjustments to its household survey, starting in February, that reflect a dramatic drop in immigration. Net international migration fell from 2.7 million in July 2024 to 1.3 million in June 2025 following a wave of administration policies that expanded enforcement, restricted work visas, ended Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for many immigrants, and implemented new travel bans and immigration restrictions.

sadferret123

Apparently something like 93% of their fleet is from 2025/2026 and they're mostly ICE cars so they're straightening out it seems? It's interesting how spectacularly the EV transition failed though.

OrderNo7526

He has a good plan. Their setup with 95% new ICE vehicles. What could go wrong?

OneJellyfish5980

We need to open the strait of hormzlo so we can go back to focusing on the important issues: how to serve Israel, no men in women's sports, no taxes on tips, give ICE complete immunity, redact the Epstein files, take greenland, take Canada, take cuba etc

OneJellyfish5980

Mango is busy posting ICE spiderman edits, he can't work on the deal rn. And his buddies Pissrael are bombing Lebanon and Gaza whenever we get close to an idea of a framework of a deal. But don't worry, we already won and they're begging for a deal!

ithastogoupfromhere

their EV strategy failed and they are back to ICE cars, outlook better than expected

Charming_Raccoon4361

I already called the ICE they will remain Alligator Alcatraz for the rest of the year

Vast_Cricket

That comes with experience. During [Dot.com](http://Dot.com) era the stock market tanked 3 years in a row. Each year lost at least 1/3 of previous total. That is index like Voo not just some stocks. There were many companies that just evaporated over night. One dot com was selling animal foods and shipped dry food by carrier. That went out of business! One just has so much patience for a recovery. The S&P index took 7 years to recover not 1 or 2 years as mentioned. If one bought INTEL at the peak in 2000 that took until this April 2026 to recover after a recent govt invest and offer $11.1b grant. 26 years to be exact! Microsoft took 16 years to break even and so on. There were 2010 Great Recession all investors took a big toll on all stocks. Covid (bailed out by govt) and Trump 1.0 came on board Wall Street saw a 3-month short bloody market also. The strategy is sometimes sitting on cash or CD if all opportunities do not present. During 2009 some banks had restriction not let customer to take out much cash. A few got so worried they slept with cash under their mattress while losing their home from subprime mortgage disaster. So they lost everything they had. What has worked for me is anticipate what is coming up and prepare for it. Rather than losing 1/3 total each year mentioned early people put into bond. On annuity people say it is a rip off I did quite well. Now I have tax free municipal bonds. I put small blocks of bonds some are even insured. This is not saying I do not invest in Ai stocks. Having predicted a correction moment was coming I took profit and put into safer bond. Rest I have some waiting for a recovery. I also knew Trump 2.0 was a big spender I got in early enough with govt contractor stocks. There are jail stocks (ICE) that prospered also. On precious metals, people said over and over they were worthless. Guess what? $4,293 a Troy oz is not the same as $350 from before. That goes with oil or energy stocks. Trump said the conflict was over . I have to pay $5.69 for 87 grade gas still? I have loaded crude oil stocks not imported from Middle East. Had I listened to our commander in chief I would have missed this opportunity bought more AI stock and lose them. In summery, a strategy like diversification having a little into mid cap, small cap, different industries, commodity and overseas equity and some bond and fixed income reduce "beta" appreciably. If one does not have time to research companies etf is the way to go.

VersChorsVers

I wouldn't be surprised if Kashkari keeps talking hikes that some more ICE agents are going to show up in near the fed in Minneapolis.

ChipWong82

Call ICE to stop this ipo asap.

totallynotdagothur

If you are curious [here is the ICE futures handbook for orange juice](https://www.ice.com/publicdocs/rulebooks/futures_us/13_FCOJ.pdf).  The circuit breakers are a little different but great question.

zaparthes

Watch data centers start appearing in all the extra warehouses DHS purchased previously imprison ICE detainees.

Rosebunse

I would assume there are ICE agents in here scrolling like the rest of us.

OrdinaryMix4013

Kevin from ICE Accounting department?

OrdinaryMix4013

is this chat being monitored by ICE?

fakieTreFlip

My point is that there are very few people who view it outright *positively*, and there will likely be a growing backlash as people become more aware of its adverse effects. AI already polls less positively than ICE and the Democratic party lol

Odium_1437

Obama definitely created the inflation Trump’s administration is seeing. It’s not wars, utility costs, oil, tariffs, bad regulation, ICE, policy, or government debt flying exponentially. Duh, trust the boomer in your life, they had $3,000 college, home costs on HLC homes for 100K. It’s your avocado toast and lack or work ethics.

n33dadviceplease

ICE isn’t a commercial customer 

momofuku18

ICE has been busy

momofuku18

ICE must be very busy

VerdantPathfinder

You aren't paying attention. The various pro-authoritarian groups are mostly populated by younger men. Sure, some of the old farts support them, but most of the excitement and activity is young men. That's where the danger lies. Further, all us gray hairs are well-represented at the various No Kings and anti-ICE protests.

Veritable_bravado

…I hate to say it but every single thing you said is very much in the same hand of Trump. Refuses to release Epstein files: May prove he rapes children ICE: has repeated shot civilians Save America Act: if applied, negates every single married woman’s right to vote if they took their husbands name. No elections: he’s already playing with the idea of trying to cancel midterms. Hell we can go back to Save America Act on this as well. Trump is a terrorist state.

democharge92

If we all know this... and we know he emboldened a group of intel clowns in ICE to terrorize citizens and non-citizens... not so sure why you're so triggered by the assertion that the U.S has also become a terrorist state... unless you honestly think the Afghanistan invasion and Iraq war were actually justified... but I see you focused on trump instead of the rest of what I said so you could make the childish statement of "just move"

PandasOnGiraffes

Vote, write your representatives, protest, support advocacy groups that can do these things on your behalf, boycott soft media that does not ask about corruption, or any number of things other than this. The problem with the masses today (around the world, not just the US), is that we're comfortable enough to have something to lose, but not so comfortable that we can realize how much leverage we have. The other problem is we are both overwhelmed and desensitized. If you put on the news, you'll get reports about the White House ballroom development, the water's colour in the reflection pool, the Cyclospora outbreak, the war on Iran, the price of gas, the lack of affordability, the decline in high schoolers' literacy rates and proficiency levels, Trump photobombing the Spanish squad at the World Cup, dead and presumably dead senators, ongoing trade wars, ICE kidnappings, and so much more. It's hard for our brains to process all of this, categorize stories and rank them by importance, and it leads to desensitization. I remember talking to my American colleagues about how we, Canadians, are taking Trump's threats to our sovereignty seriously and will not stand for them. So many of them did not know what I was talking about and primarily thought of the tariffs. When your President is waging war on your closest trading partner and risking your global position, it's in your best interest to listen, analyze, fight, and persist in your fight. Every single right we have was fought for and won despite some group being opposed to it.

RationalGardenGnome

Oh neat, well I live in America, does that automatically make me an expert into how many people ICE has hurt or targeted? Thats literally what you’re arguing.

nspy101

The only industry you can get “better” talent in Texas than California is for ICE officers

Worshipme988

What if all the ICE warehouses are just regional octagon arenas? 😂

ManonMacru

If I know anything about automotive industry and manufacturing it's usually last in, first out. So exactly the opposite: the boomers stay, and the young leave, the ones who just learned the job (and the most open to learn to make EVs as opposed to ICE)

ShittyUsernane1222

KWarsh is talking like as if 🥭 threatened to deport Kwarsh to ICE camp due to his hawkish position.

1-866-867-5309

try selling a european ICE vehicle from 20 years ago in any country when there are decent EV alternative and see how it works out

Kobayashi-Coffee-Co

Wait did he report the niece to ICE or not?

1-866-867-5309

oh yes, they're totally stealing all the EV technology that doesn't even exist in the EU the only thing EU is asleep at is trying to sell the same ICE cars from 20 years ago for higher prices

Nympho_BBC_Queen

Will happen either way. It takes 2-3 people to make 100 E-care. ICE cars require 30-40 depending on the factory.

WordsHappenedHere

Between this cluster fuck of a war and the upcoming midterms, and the rate hike coming. The best moves here are to preserve capital. Which means raise some cash and wait to be a buyer. Dont be a hero. Mango is most definitely going to fuck a lot of shit up between now and November. Probably will send in ICE and other federal agents to scare voters. Expect violence and social unrest. The war will probably get worse because there is no good exit here that doesn’t involve spending a lot of money and more lives to get Iran in line. The rate hike is actually bullish if it gets inflation in line. Let’s see how the market interprets it. The next most likely move here is we lose market Breadth (RSP) and then Apple will fall. That will eventually lead to capitulation.

JBallMan23

people saying this isn't sustainable don't understand economics. Also, as if our world around us isn't drastically more tech heavy with electronics, EV, ICE vehicles, etc not requiring more and more chips, electronic hardware and more

guardian87

Besides not hitting product market fit with their design. At least not in a big way. BMW was way more successful, just shipping the (mostly) same design as ICE with worse efficiency.

hotforlowe

*This along with hundreds of other reflections in my memoirs titled “The ICE agent of Iowa: how I stopped farming corn and made something of myself”*

Coldvyvora

You have ~30 models today that look normal. Theres still morons that make them stupid looking or ugly, but most normal brands just made their own models that are just like the ICE counterparts 14 years ago you had prototypes that were going nowhere at all, with ranges not enough to go get bread.

Coldvyvora

14 years ago electric cars were a fucking joke. Made specifically UGLY so everyone would keep getting ICE cars and not upsetting the status quo. His money invested heavily into making electric cars that wouldnt suck ass. Nowadays the tesla company valuation its retarded and makes no sense. But the rest of the car companies have been forced to make a serious effort to level the field and offer actual electric or hybrid options. 14 years ago, reusable orbital rockets were a thing of Science fiction books and movies. They mocked and laughed at each rocket explosion for Falcon 1. He again took a gamble and started a company that tried to make them work and self funded itself by providing a service the world didnt have before. Today we have reasonable global internet coverage, if you dont have access is your country limiting its access because you can just point an antenna up and you will get satelites over you. Even on kilimanjaro. Also rockets landing barely makes the news anymore. So much that the rest of rocket companies are SCRAMBLING to make their own reusable to stay relevant. Many of his other enterprises failed or were abandoned. Tunnels thing, hyperloop, affordable solar roofs, neurochips to try to improve cybernetics... And the dude is a fucking lunatic asshole. But lets be real. Name the other 15 next billionaires and tell me what they've done for the world. Bezos made world scale logistics work and everyone can order a next day delivery and make a website through their cloud. But the rest are quietly sitting in their hoards like lizzards enjoying how everyone piles on Musk

Jullyfds

No site de alistamento no exercito Ucraniano eles fazem promessas de salario aumentado em relação ao tempo de serviço algo extremamente perigoso levando em consideração que quanto mais tempo vc esta la mais arriscam sua vida e suas chances de morrer consequentemente aumentam, por exemplo vc pode ser recrutado por seu papel a ser exercido muitas vezes sem envolvimento de combate, so ver la no site, mas na pratica varios latinos relatam a deturpação de seus papeis sem ao menos conseguir exerce-los, sendo empurados pouco a pouco para a linha de frente mesmo sem experiencia, alem de que o requisito de ficha criminal limpa não é levada em consideração, po exemplo, varios combatentes de facções aqui no Brasil ja se alistaram contando experiencia para fugir do mundo do crime, tambem como varias pessoas que perderam tudo em apostas fazendo o mesmo, na esperança de serem abraçados pela Ucrania como se o pais tivesse zelo com as vidas de possiveis traidores aparte da nação nesse momento de crise para se manterem vivos até la. Alem dos casos de racismo de descaso de soldados de outras etnias, sou Brasileira e meu pais é aonde tem mais recrutados de outra nação para a guerra na Ucrania depois da Colombia, aonde tem Palantir tem apenas como objetivo a aperfeiçoação da ferramenta como utensilio de controle e guerra, assim que eles lucram, pesquise mais afundo, em troca de ajudar a Ucrania a experiencia da ia em campo de guerra serve para apliar os numeros dessa empresa e dar uma cara de produto validado em situaçoes extremas. Palantir se aproveita da fraqueza do ser humano que eles enxergam como poder dentro da ideologia construida de tijolo em tijolo pela empresa, que é, a guerra, em escala menor ou maior para ser configurada com todas as letras como guerra, por exemplo, eles são a principal ferramenta de produtividade ultilizada pela ICE, essa ia desde o nascimento da empresa nasceu com um algoritmo enviesado com ideologia e cor, fascismo na raiz, eles deram notoriedade e financiamento para a disseminação do tal "iluminismo das trevas", no Caribe eles financiam uma cidade-estado (que o atual governo no Caribe tentou derrubar por motivos de revolta populacional (não vou me prolongar nisso) mas o governo para conseguir isso foi limitada por uma lei que ao menos é do pais por conta de uma relação de empresa e estado extracontinental que conta com leis do pais da empresa, no qual os financiadores multibilionarios no caso o proprio projeto exige uma indenização de 11 bilhoes para se retirarem, o pais produz por ano algo por volta de 32 bilhoes, agora menos 11 bilhoes, deixaria uma rachadura gigante na economia do pais por uns anos, isso não é poder demais para vc?. Olha esses são os objetivos do projeto prospera e oque ele é: apesar de estar em território hondurenho, será considerada como uma cidade-estado independente, sendo administrada pela iniciativa privada. Na pratica um governo aparte em um estado e o objetivo deles, bem aqui esta: A ambição é se expandir através de Roatán em mais locais de Honduras e, em seguida, em toda a América. Essa merda é vendida como uma utopia com ideologia de ditadura tecnologica, entende o problema? [https://exame.com/mundo/conheca-prospera-cidade-liberal-honduras/](https://exame.com/mundo/conheca-prospera-cidade-liberal-honduras/) [https://www.dw.com/pt-br/o-que-diz-o-manifesto-da-palantir-que-promove-armas-de-ia/a-76897062](https://www.dw.com/pt-br/o-que-diz-o-manifesto-da-palantir-que-promove-armas-de-ia/a-76897062) [https://www.ihu.unisinos.br/categorias/664795-ucrania-campo-de-testes-da-palantir-artigo-de-peter-korotaev](https://www.ihu.unisinos.br/categorias/664795-ucrania-campo-de-testes-da-palantir-artigo-de-peter-korotaev)

Jullyfds

No site de alistamento no exercito Ucraniano eles fazem promessas de salario aumentado em relação ao tempo de serviço algo extremamente perigoso levando em consideração que quanto mais tempo vc esta la mais arriscam sua vida e suas chances de morrer consequentemente aumentam, por exemplo vc pode ser recrutado por seu papel a ser exercido muitas vezes sem envolvimento de combate, so ver la no site, mas na pratica varios latinos relatam a deturpação de seus papeis sem ao menos conseguir exerce-los, sendo empurados pouco a pouco para a linha de frente mesmo sem experiencia, alem de que o requisito de ficha criminal limpa não é levada em consideração, po exemplo, varios combatentes de facções aqui no Brasil ja se alistaram contando experiencia para fugir do mundo do crime, tambem como varias pessoas que perderam tudo em apostas fazendo o mesmo, na esperança de serem abraçados pela Ucrania como se o pais tivesse zelo com as vidas de possiveis traidores aparte da nação nesse momento de crise para se manterem vivos até la. Alem dos casos de racismo de descaso de soldados de outras etnias, sou Brasileira e meu pais é aonde tem mais recrutados de outra nação para a guerra na Ucrania depois da Colombia, aonde tem Palantir tem apenas como objetivo a aperfeiçoação da ferramenta como utensilio de controle e guerra, assim que eles lucram, pesquise mais afundo, em troca de ajudar a Ucrania a experiencia da ia em campo de guerra serve para apliar os numeros dessa empresa e dar uma cara de produto validado em situaçoes extremas. Palantir se aproveita da fraqueza do ser humano que eles enxergam como poder dentro da ideologia construida de tijolo em tijolo pela empresa, que é, a guerra, em escala menor ou maior para ser configurada com todas as letras como guerra, por exemplo, eles são a principal ferramenta de produtividade ultilizada pela ICE, essa ia desde o nascimento da empresa nasceu com um algoritmo enviesado com ideologia e cor, fascismo na raiz, eles deram notoriedade e financiamento para a disseminação do tal "iluminismo das trevas", no Caribe eles financiam uma cidade-estado (que o atual governo no Caribe tentou derrubar por motivos de revolta populacional (não vou me prolongar nisso) mas o governo para conseguir isso foi limitada por uma lei que ao menos é do pais por conta de uma relação de empresa e estado extracontinental que conta com leis do pais da empresa, no qual os financiadores multibilionarios no caso o proprio projeto exige uma indenização de 11 bilhoes para se retirarem, o pais produz por ano algo por volta de 32 bilhoes, agora menos 11 bilhoes, deixaria uma rachadura gigante na economia do pais por uns anos, isso não é poder demais para vc?. Olha esses são os objetivos do projeto prospera e oque ele é: apesar de estar em território hondurenho, será considerada como uma cidade-estado independente, sendo administrada pela iniciativa privada. Na pratica um governo aparte em um estado e o objetivo deles, bem aqui esta: A ambição é se expandir através de Roatán em mais locais de Honduras e, em seguida, em toda a América. Essa merda é vendida como uma utopia com ideologia de ditadura tecnologica, entende o problema? [https://exame.com/mundo/conheca-prospera-cidade-liberal-honduras/](https://exame.com/mundo/conheca-prospera-cidade-liberal-honduras/) [https://www.dw.com/pt-br/o-que-diz-o-manifesto-da-palantir-que-promove-armas-de-ia/a-76897062](https://www.dw.com/pt-br/o-que-diz-o-manifesto-da-palantir-que-promove-armas-de-ia/a-76897062) [https://www.ihu.unisinos.br/categorias/664795-ucrania-campo-de-testes-da-palantir-artigo-de-peter-korotaev](https://www.ihu.unisinos.br/categorias/664795-ucrania-campo-de-testes-da-palantir-artigo-de-peter-korotaev)

Icy_Jelly_315

"change the oil", check out Mr steampunk with his ICE

mkat23

Yeah it kinda really fucking sucks living in it, I’m constantly worried about my friends, especially with all the ICE activity, constantly worried or upset for people I don’t even know as well. It’s beyond frustrating and honestly feels kind of hopeless, I’m trying so hard not to let that feeling take over.

Spiritual-Matters

There’s a reason members from his party kept trying to get access to election machines, why he wants to ban mail-in voting, why they pushed for gerrymandered maps, and why he offered to remove ICE from MN if they gave him voter rolls.

jgoldrb48

Shut up bot. Talk about your own problems. When ICE has 1300+ open rape cases, no one wants to hear shit from you or any other American.

octopus_serenader

Is there a grate in the pipe or can you hide there when ICE comes?

SignificanceLate7002

Who want to be the one to pay $100k for a visit from ICE?

Fardrengi

There's no gas for you and me, but you can bet your ass ICE and selective police departments will have some

bluen

I actually think ICE should have busted down homeless, not immigrants 🤔 spy 700

unikuenobody

Everybody booing going ICE list!

VonGryzz

Why not use ICE to deport the smoke

Reddit_2_2024

Are you considering joining the ranks of ICE for the 50K sign-on bonus?

Lmitation

ICE has been doing that for him, they straight up lie to them about what they see with their own eyes and they eat it up like we don't have rights anymore

Zealousideal_Book_40

I have specifically checked 10 year USA gov bonds. Looking at the corporate yield benchmark ICE BofA US Corporate Index Effective Yield, the conclusion is similar, the bond yields stayed relatively at the ssame level for last 3 years

stoopher

Passing laws and governing is hard and doesn't make you rich. They'll just send an ICE "agent" they hired through their buddy's security contracting firm to grab you and disappear you to a concentration camp owned and operated by the company of another buddy and then pay another friend's human trafficking service that is contracted with DHS to move you from privately owned facility after facility until you "disappear" from the system making it impossible for your friends, family or community members to find you and hold anyone accountable for your wrongful and illegal detention.

OpeDefinitely

Can we send ICE up to Canada to try to put this fire out?

TBGems

"we need to make some adjustments moving forward"....🙄 I wonder what unconstitutional things are in store for the mid-terms and 2028...there was a YouTube poll I saw about "How would you feel if ICE was at polling stations checking IDs" This is going to be a boatload of crazy...

ryan1826

ICE needs to detain and deport all of the bers

sureyeahdude

ICE will start arresting domestic terrorists, aka Democrats

MenagerieAlfred

Which will be pretext for ICE at every polling station, seize voting machines, and making Johnson refuse to seat winners due to “irregularities” if that doesn’t work well enough.

tgff333

well nice to see UAL red after seeing that video of a United employee threatening to call ICE on a customer at sfo. like wtf

ChipWong82

Foreign stocks ruining it for American stocks. Can we ask ICE to deport them?

River_Sandhu

It’s Spains WC, they look the most complete team, so obviously 🥭 will send ICE to their hotel to detain their back four 😂

PalomaNegra888

He's going to announce ICE agents at every polling place (but only in Blue States) to support the "fairness"

sonofalando

Lmaoooo yup ICE engines just don’t feel as nice and you have to go way up market in price to get the type of acceleration you get with electric.

Eddagosp

Tesla was always unreasonable. You don't buy a stock at the value that it **might** be in 5 to 10 years. You'll just be stuck holding the bag for 5 to 10 years. Retail regards started valuing the stock for its *potential* to displace ICE (gas) vehicle market share with EV instead of its *current* manufacturing capabilities. Like going back to 2020 and buying BTC at 100k instead of 10k because "that's what it'll be worth in 5 years." Your prediction ***might*** be correct, but 6 years later you're -40k instead of +50k.

Best-Home-2230

Okay so the media called him deporter in chief, now again I ask you to show me the YouTube videos of the left wing protests during that time frame holding rallies and showing up to interfere with ICE. You're actually proving my point the left wing protests over this was not about some moral stance about deportation because they could have cared less then no matter what the media said about Obama's border policies. If you only become outraged at the policy when someone with the R near their name is doing it you're outraged is fake.

GestapoKittech

My man, are you dumb? They called him the "deporter-in-chief". Will you believe Fox News? [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/may-day-rallies-target-immigration-reform-and-obamas-deportation-rate](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/may-day-rallies-target-immigration-reform-and-obamas-deportation-rate) Or maybe The Guardian? [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/23/democrats-call-on-obama-to-end-deportation-raids-on-women-and-children](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/23/democrats-call-on-obama-to-end-deportation-raids-on-women-and-children) How about PBS? [https://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/headlines/obama-administration-appeals-immigration-reform-to-supreme-court/](https://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/headlines/obama-administration-appeals-immigration-reform-to-supreme-court/) NBC News? [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/arizona-immigration-activists-block-streets-protest-n598016](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/arizona-immigration-activists-block-streets-protest-n598016) MPR News, from 2010 [https://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/07/01/midmorning4](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2010/07/01/midmorning4) Don't act like it wasn't happening. The reason you didn't see them being shot by ICE is because ICE wasn't as militarized as they are now, dummy.

GestapoKittech

You know people protested the treatment of undocumented immigrants under Obama, right? There were court cases, Obama lost, and ICE was forced to change how they operated. That is all easily discoverable if you cared to look, but instead you just want to repeat what your favorite talking head told you. And your whole "You didn't protest Obama, so I'm going to support Trump who is worse" line of logic is fucking stupid.

Wows_Nightly_News

ICE?

RockmanMike

When he has access to nuclear weapons, drones, and all 3 branches of the military and is actually in the process of bombing them, yeah, he's just "tAlKiNg OuT oF hIs DuMb AsS..." On top of using ICE as brown shirts... You seriously can't be that dumb, right?

eyerollingsex

ICE shootings don’t do numbers anymore People just stopped caring

Best-Home-2230

No you wouldn't just like you didn't care when Obama had kids in cages and was deporting people for no other reason than being here illegally. Just like Trump. You guys can all thumbs me down to cope with the rage of hearing the truth but this nonsense is why I went from being a blue across the board voter to an anyone but blue voter. If it wasn't for double standards you guys would have no standards at all. Feel free to prove me wrong though and show me footage of the massive no kings rallies and activists interfering with ICE agents during the years Obama was deporting people for the exact same reason Trump was. You weren't angry because he had the (D) near his name on ballots. Just like you weren't angry when gas went over 4.00 under Biden but outraged when it happened under Trump. A pretentious cult I'm glad to have finally moved on from.

EntropyAccount

Meanwhile Trump just moves pecies on a a map and says “we attack here”, tarrif this country, ICE can do whatever it wants 😆. Cannabis to S3, wooh wooh, we need hearings, and reviews, and Congress, and then… and then…

OrdinaryMix4013

HOLY SHIT. trump trying to bury the ICE shotttting another civilian story by putting a 20% tax on the straight lmao

prestodigitarium

EVs are much simpler than ICE engines, that’s why China went hard on them, it was an opportunity to get to the front of the pack due to the sea change, because they could make the rest of it more cheaply than anyone else. The counterpoint is that they still can’t make competitive jet engines because the decades of materials science is hard to compress the timelines on. Remains to be seen, but they might have a similarly hard time speeding up starship-class orbital fully reusable rockets.

Awkward-Winner-99

Idk for sure if Chinese ICE cars suck but they do sell really well in China still

creepy_doll

Making electric engines is a lot easier than ICE. Also the batteries are the largest chunk of an electric car, and that part china did master while manufacturing for tesla etc. The precision machining equipment for making modern ICE engines is really quite impressive. I think ICE engines are cool as hell(imagine harnessing the power of explosions to such precision), but it doesn't make sense for china to try to get better at that. They're developing the infrastructure for EV's and they don't need to spend all the money on getting their ICE tech up to scratch.

Charming_Raccoon4361

we need the ICE here

Familiar-Suspect730

For oil research, I try to separate the headline from the actual supply-demand data. Geopolitical events can move prices quickly, but the long-term direction usually comes down to barrels, inventories, demand, and spare capacity. The sources I find most useful are: - EIA (U.S. Energy Information Administration) – excellent for production, inventory, and U.S./global market data. - IEA Oil Market Report – one of the best sources for global supply, demand, and trade flow analysis. - OPEC Monthly Oil Market Report – useful for producer-side data and forecasts. - CME/ICE futures data – helps understand what the market is pricing in. For situations like the Strait of Hormuz, I would focus less on media headlines and more on: 1. Actual tanker flows and export volumes. 2. Global inventory changes. 3. Spare production capacity. 4. Refinery capacity and product markets. 5. Whether demand is strong enough to absorb higher prices. The market can sometimes look irrational because prices are forward-looking. If traders believe a disruption will be temporary, prices may not react as much as the headline suggests. The key is identifying whether the disruption changes the long-term supply-demand balance or is only a short-term shock. The IEA Oil Market Report is probably the best starting point because it combines supply, demand, inventories, and trade analysis in one place.

Dalewyn

> Other than a handful of tiny petro-states, which countries do you imagine Americans believe are wealthier than the US? The answer is none. A plumber in Missouri has a higher take-home pay than a doctor in Germany. The rest of the world is NOT pulling ahead of the US in terms of wealth. It is crazy when Trump goes on rants about how other countries are ripping us off while the typical American is financially so far ahead of the rest of the world. The problem is for how "wealthy" you argue we supposedly are the commons universally agree inflation is rampant, pay is stagnant, and overall their work is not valued as evidenced by the furor of the so-called Rust Belt. As a guy once told Clinton: "It's the economy, stupid!" Harris got crucified in her election for arguing the economy was great and Trump won on the argument that we are getting milked dry. We are not wealthy, at least not by measures accepted by the common American. >I have met exactly zero Americans who think any other country is more militarily powerful. I doubt even most Russians are that delusional. Funny you say Russians are delusional, because I sincerely think Americans who truly believe we are the most powerful military force on the planet are the absolute epitome of delusional. A gold medal in mental gymnastics can't reconcile "most powerful" with "lose every single war". >That defeatist attitude of "we can't make anything anymore" is pure propaganda. Where do you think F35's are made? Or 3D printers? How about Tesla EVs and SpaceX rockets? You want my honest, brutal answer? China. We can "make" literally nothing if China elects to embargo exports of rare earths and other materials necessary for all those high end commodities. Who do you think makes the batteries in those Teslas? BYD. Where do you think all that lithium is mined from? China. Who and where do you think all those electronics components used in an F-35 come from? ~~USA~~China with "Made In USA" stamps. There is a reason the US folded literally overnight once China fired back with trade embargoes in our shortlived tariff trade war. As Trump once told Zelensky: ~~You~~We don't hold the cards. >Trump hasn't taken a government stake in businesses engaged in rolling out rural broadband or Warpspeed, and a good number of the ones he did take a stake in did not take CHIPS Act money. You're right, and we should have taken equity in return. It's too late to do that for them now, but going forward we can and should take equity for every single tax dollar that is spent in the commercial sector. >Here's a radical idea: if you think businesses are wasting tax payer dollars, how about you stop giving them taxpayer dollars? This "socialism is inevitable" stuff is far left drivel. It wasn't socialism that made America great and becoming socialist isn't going to do us any favors. I absolutely agree. Our budget is broken, slashing the expenses must include terminating all manners of tax dollars currently being funneled to businesses, universities, et al.. These are not luxuries we can afford anymore. >Were you under the impression that Africa, the Middle East, and Asia did not have wars before the US came along? I assure you, they did. Look at actual data. The WORLD is at its most peaceful time in hundreds of years. Peaceful is relative, not absolute. It has ticked up in recent years, mostly because Putin invaded Ukraine, which had nothing to do with the US. They did have wars and yes we've made them worse. We should not forget that Iran is the way they are now thanks to the CIA. 9/11 happened because we keep fucking other people's shit up. The world is absolutely not peaceful but that lack of peace can improve by removing American bullshit from the international stage. As an aside: We absolutely had a part in Putin invading Ukraine. Why? Two things: We toppled a pro-Russia government in Ukraine and made Ukraine a non-nuclear state. Both things contributed to Putin choosing to warmonger and we must and will pay our part of the bill when it comes due. >They were free to come and go, not slaves. The "legal" farm workers are more akin to slaves today than were the illegal farm workers. ... As it pertains to productive contributions to society, the only difference between "criminal" farm labor and "legal" farm labor is a piece of government paper. Whether they are legal or illegal, the pressure on wages is the same, housing is the same, medical services required is the same. Therefore, your position is that it is productive employment itself that is the detrimental problem for society. And, you failed basic economics. Illegal aliens literally do not have a right to and should not be present in the country at all, they absolutely induce negative pressures on society that would not exist otherwise. The extent you go to try and justify modern day slavery is appalling. >Collective rights which exceed individual rights are authoritarian nonsense. Individuals have rights. Groups of individuals cannot have rights which exceed that of the individuals which comprise the group. You, as an individual, do not have the right to restrict me from inviting whomever I want to live and work on my property. An individual's right to freedom does not preclude a sovereign right to restrict their entry. Much like you have the right to refuse an individual from entering your property. Illegally crossing the border is akin to breaking into a house, it is not acceptable. If you can't even through the front door, don't be surprised to find your ass thrown right back out. >Governments have the power to restrict immigration. Governments do not have rights. You do not know what sovereign rights even are. >Illegal entry is also part of the game. If you don't like it, you can work to change the rules so that they don't have to wait 25 years and then will find it easier to go through the legal process. Illegal entry is not part of the game, cheating is never acceptable. If a guy is told he cannot enter, he cannot enter. Why the fuck do I even need to spell this out to you? >It is, though. The president is not a king and the federal government cannot dictate to states what they must or must not do beyond as allowed for in the Constitution. Border security is a federal affair that concerns all states, particularly those with land and sea borders. All states are at least required to not inhibit enforcement of federal laws lest they are violating the very mutual understanding holding the union together. >Congress writes the laws describing what funding is allocated to the states and under what conditions. A president cannot just unilaterally change the law and withhold funding because he doesn't like something entirely unrelated that the states are doing. The president has to follow federal law. Congress dictates how federal dollars will be spent, the President is tasked with spending. Trump has proven the President can choose to not spend as directed because Congress can't force that particular issue, and may the court enforce itself as Andrew Jackson once said. Like it or not and for better or worse, the Executive Branch holds the sole power to execute. >No one is talking about refusing to enforce the law. Except you are. If we are a country following the principle of rule of law that includes enforcing federal immigration laws as they stand right now. That includes securing the border, arresting and deporting illegal aliens, and punishing businesses who employ illegal labor. ICE, CBP, and other federal law enforcement like the FBI are tasked with enforcing federal immigration laws. Refusing to cooperate is at best belligerent and resisting as was the case in Minnesota is a straight rejection of rule of law. What even is the point of having a country at that point?

xghtai737

> Any reasonable common American will vehemently disagree, because "wealthy" as in sky high debts and market capitalizations does not translate to wealth as the commons understand it. Definitely not the most powerful either, we're the weakest because we quite literally haven't won a single war yet this century and lost most of our wars in the last one. Other than a handful of tiny petro-states, which countries do you imagine Americans believe are wealthier than the US? The answer is none. A plumber in Missouri has a higher take-home pay than a doctor in Germany. The rest of the world is NOT pulling ahead of the US in terms of wealth. It is crazy when Trump goes on rants about how other countries are ripping us off while the typical American is financially so far ahead of the rest of the world. Look at the data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income#Disposable_income_per_capita_of_households_and_NPISH_(OECD) I have met exactly zero Americans who think any other country is more militarily powerful. I doubt even most Russians are that delusional. Militarily defeating our enemies has never been a problem. Politicians sometimes assign political objectives which cannot be achieved by military means. You ought to know the difference. > In case you missed it, all our "high end" commodities are coming from Asia namely China and Taiwan with some Malaysia. We can't make anything anymore low or high, and that fact has been brutally denied as we continue to become increasingly incapable of seemingly the most simplest things. iPhones and Nvidia GPUs aren't American products, they're Chinese and Taiwanese products respectively. That defeatist attitude of "we can't make anything anymore" is pure propaganda. Where do you think F35's are made? Or 3D printers? How about Tesla EVs and SpaceX rockets? IPhones and NVIDIA chips are designed in the US. And TSMC builds the chips with machines built in Europe - with components made in the US. Example: (American) Zygo corporation makes the high end optics and mirrors which go into (Netherlands) ASML's EUV Lithography machines which (Taiwan) TSMC uses to make the chips which are designed by (American) NVIDIA. Some - not a complete list - of other American companies which TSMC relies on are: Air Products, Applied Materials, Lam Research, KLA Corp, Cadence, Synopsis, Amkor Technology, and Teradyne. And you completely ignored the fact that unemployment is very low while real wages have continued to rise. > We will not return to a successful society if we cannot return to a productive economy. We still are a successful society and we still have a productive economy. Stop navel gazing. > Being a service economy means We service the productive economies. He who makes rules the world. I've just listed a bunch of technologically advanced products that the US produces. Your claim that service economies are trash is without foundation. > It is an inevitable solution to the constant problem that businesses simply take our taxes and waste them away. Rural broadband is by far the most infamous example, and others like CHIPS and Project Warpspeed. If businesses will not make our taxes spent worth our while, the only way to resolve that is by taking their equity at governmental gunpoint. Businesses poisoned the well, they can now drink from it while the taxpayers finally have something to show for their tax dollars. Trump hasn't taken a government stake in businesses engaged in rolling out rural broadband or Warpspeed, and a good number of the ones he did take a stake in did not take CHIPS Act money. Here's a radical idea: if you think businesses are wasting tax payer dollars, how about you stop giving them taxpayer dollars? This "socialism is inevitable" stuff is far left drivel. It wasn't socialism that made America great and becoming socialist isn't going to do us any favors. > The upside is the definitive end of Pax Americana which at this point causes more problems than it gives benefits. Yes, problems like... no more world wars and having among the highest standards of living in the world. > the world has faced constant wars and disturbances to the peace to this day. When you say "we" are in our most peaceful time you do not realize "we" only includes the West. The West is resented in regions like Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia ... Were you under the impression that Africa, the Middle East, and Asia did not have wars before the US came along? I assure you, they did. Look at actual data. The WORLD is at its most peaceful time in hundreds of years. Peaceful is relative, not absolute. It has ticked up in recent years, mostly because Putin invaded Ukraine, which had nothing to do with the US. But, the rate of deaths from wars started dropping when the US took over after WW2 and by world history standards was very low by 2000. > The world will be better off nearly instantly with Pax Americana over, if not necessarily the US and probably the West at large. Spoken like a true Russian. > We as a society have set certain standards for human labor because anything less is inhumane, and despite that you are essentially saying that "Slavery is fine because the slaves are happy." They were free to come and go, not slaves. The "legal" farm workers are more akin to slaves today than were the illegal farm workers. And those standards you are touting were sharply weakened by Trump. Look it up. H2-A guest worker program. The minimum wage was set by the federal government, Trump sharply reduced it, while also removing anti-retaliation protections, safety standards, and so forth. > Criminal labor fueled by illegal aliens causes downward pressure on compensation for legal employment and hosts of other problems on housing and medical services that are stressing our society to its breaking point. They do not benefit our society in aggregate. As it pertains to productive contributions to society, the only difference between "criminal" farm labor and "legal" farm labor is a piece of government paper. Whether they are legal or illegal, the pressure on wages is the same, housing is the same, medical services required is the same. Therefore, your position is that it is productive employment itself that is the detrimental problem for society. And, you failed basic economics. > "Open borders" does not mean literally open borders free-for-all. While their literal physical forms have changed throughout human history, every country and more broadly every society in history has controlled who goes in and out of their borders in some form at all points in time. You are wrong. The US literally had open borders prior to the 1875 Page Act, which was basically just on Chinese. There were no federal immigration laws prior to that. That was just as radical of an experiment in freedom then as it would be today. Some ports of entry run by states collected what amounted to a tax for entry, but there were plenty of places which did not even do that. There were citizenship restrictions right from the beginning, but not immigration restrictions. > Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Noone has a right to enter another country willy nilly, every country reserves their sovereign right to accept or deny entrants at their own discretion and frankly for any reason whatsoever. Collective rights which exceed individual rights are authoritarian nonsense. Individuals have rights. Groups of individuals cannot have rights which exceed that of the individuals which comprise the group. You, as an individual, do not have the right to restrict me from inviting whomever I want to live and work on my property. You cannot gain that right by joining with a group of your friends and declaring that you have such a right. Governments have the *power* to restrict immigration. Governments do not have rights. > If a guy from Mexico or the Philippines is told to wait 25 years to maybe enter the country and immigrate, that's the game. He can take it or leave it. "I don't like that, I'm just gonna enter illegally." is not acceptable. Illegal entry is also part of the game. If you don't like it, you can work to change the rules so that they don't have to wait 25 years and then will find it easier to go through the legal process. > The problem is deliberately refusing to cooperate with federal law enforcement, and in extreme cases like Minnesota where federal law enforcement is outright resisted, is not in any way acceptable. It is, though. The president is not a king and the federal government cannot dictate to states what they must or must not do beyond as allowed for in the Constitution. > States and municipalities don't want to enforce federal laws? Alright, fine. But don't get in the way of federal law enforcement, and don't be surprised if the federal government subsequently has second thoughts about federal aid you might be receiving. Congress writes the laws describing what funding is allocated to the states and under what conditions. A president cannot just unilaterally change the law and withhold funding because he doesn't like something entirely unrelated that the states are doing. The president has to follow federal law. > Refusing to enforce the law by definition denies the rule of law. No one is talking about refusing to enforce the law. But, not all branches of government are tasked with enforcing every law. ICE is not going to investigate burglaries in Minnesota because doing so is out of their jurisdiction. Similarly, local police do not have an obligation to enforce federal law. A separation of powers prevents too much power from accumulating in one person.

vandalizethethief

He has made almost no ROE at Tesla. Almost all profits come from government mandated tex credit programs. These were all 100% margin that ICE manufacturers would pay Tesla to offset excess emissions. No more credits, no more profits. Just poorly built and obscenely priced vehicles that have a stigma attached to them now. Somehow, he kept this going for a decade and during the years everyone was like "Musk is the Greatest! He is saving our planet and shooting to take it to Mars." All while making grandiose claims that he founded Tesla, bought bankrupt Solar City from his brother, called a cave rescuer a pedo & numerous other lies

Weak_Emu3659

Call ICE on them

fomoandyoloandnogrow

ICE gonna turn Texas blue. Such insanity

gethereddout

Nothing I’ve said is inconsistent. Your arguments, on the other hand, are in bad faith. You act like you care about laws, yet support the most lawless president we’ve ever had. A literal criminal, a convicted rapist who was spared prison by taking the Presidency. Local police and ICE are different agencies. There is no impediment by disallowing local police to do ICE’s gestapo work for them. People who deserve Visas are being denied constantly- you don’t know that because are not ingesting honest information. You talk about our borders. The nation you hold so sacred. You know we stole it right? What’s actually sacred, and what’s actually worth having pride in, is our democracy. But fascists like you are throwing it all away just to be racist. We don’t have an immigration problem, we have a christian nationalist, white supremacist problem. And people like you are pretending that’s not your goal, but we can see clearly now that it is. Just look at what ya’ll are doing- this is fascism.

pseudonominom

The DOJ has subpoenaed Reddit to get user identities specifically because they’re critical of Trump. Are you not paying attention to what’s been happening? ICE is building prisons ten times the size of the illegal immigrant population. Connect the dots, man.

jxkxs

Buy Tesla. Gas prices up to increase Tesla sales. ICE agents sending illegals back so their jobs can be taken by Tesla robots. Telsa robots eventually end up in homes. Every guy will buy one so their wives can give orders to something that has to listen.

AdIndependent3751

Minnesotans be like: No more Mr. ICE guy