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[Good long read on the deadly, polluting, brutal labor conditions of Indonesian nickel miners](https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2024-indonesia-sulawesi-nickel-fire/) that supply every major EV maker. The company IMIP's site uses more coal-fired capacity than the biggest nuclear plant in the US. The coal + mining activity fills the towns nearby with dust and causes respiratory diseases + rash. The workers are not given sufficient quantities of masks to prevent inhalation. The actual mining portion is dangerous too, and workers are threatened / beaten if they complain or publicize injuries. Think it's underappreciated the environmental toll EVs are having. Not only the outsourced production of raw materials, but in China, the grid is mostly coal based and is how EVs are getting charged. In the US/EU this is less so the case, but EV adoption is being driven in massive part by China. (China is 40% of the world's EV sales) Switching to natural gas in place of coal power plants will also make a huge dent in air pollution, and will play a big role in meeting the fast growing energy needs of poorer countries like Indonesia. (Indonesia has 279M people, is growing real GDP at a 5% clip, and has a real GDP per capita of about $5K). Indonesia is a huge (low quality) coal producer, however, which may delay the switch. By the way, this report was from Bloomberg if you're worried of some anti-EV agenda. Anyway, this is why I think Toyota is making the right bet by doubling down on more efficient ICE + hybrids rather than all in EVs. And while bullish coal now, bearish coal in the future I think (if the EV slowdown accelerates or Indonesia starts to take more action due to the major health costs coal imposes).

Mentions:#EV#EU#ICE

BYDDF. IMO, Chinese stocks undervalued, political risk overblown. Massive opportunity to dominate Asian market (big outside of China too - personally seen growing presence in Thailand and India). Actually makes a decent car. Many EV-only companies in China will drive more product innovation compared to US where many companies are juggling EV and ICE priorities.

Mentions:#BYDDF#EV#ICE

How many ICE were sold for comparison? and whats the YoY? A raise in EVs when the overall sales are coming down is pretty irrelevant. IF you sold 100 and now 200 thats a 100% increase, but barely any. Also all those "EVs are exploding" arent separating EVs from Mini EVs that sold the most in china. Im short in EV sector in general.

Mentions:#ICE#EV

Maybe find a safe, small town, where the rules of ICE still apply

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If you’re a speed freak, it’s hard to go back to ICE. It’s fun smokin fools I must admit

Mentions:#ICE

I'm into European cars and follow the industry so here it goes: The most recent numbers of all the big players were across the board shit, just very disappointing. Larger issue: German car manufacturers are far, really far behind the competition when it comes EVs, mostly because there are major political parties and lobbyists trying to delay the end of the ICE engine or even keep it alive via so called e-fuels, which is a nice concept in theory but extremely inefficient energy-wise and believe me I'd love to keep ICE engines as well, but it's not feasible if the proposed fuel technology is that inefficient. The EVs that they've put out so far are more expensive and not significantly better than the competition: There's an incredible amount of Teslas in Europe, see if you can find one of the Benz EVs or an electric BMW, you probably will see one for every 100 Teslas. Too little too late. Mercedes also stated that they will stop further development of their E and S class concept EVs, because sales have been bad, the models they got on the market are unpopular and frankly not very aesthetic either. So it's a number of issues, but pro ICE lobbying and being asleep at the wheel when it comes to EVs are the most important factors. I'd not touch their stock, there's better investments out there.

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Sure, but the point is that the market is shrinking for ICE vehicles. Particularly for European automakers. And many years isn't all that many, they account for 87% of market share in 2022 but sales have declined 20% since 2017. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/combustion-vehicle-sales-peak/ If the total addressable market is shrinking that means their revenues are likely to start shrinking as well.

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The vast majority of car buys will buy an ICE car this year and for many years to come

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Brother I literally have to goggle what Tesla batteries are made of and your dumbass can’t comprehend the fact they’re made with cobalt I drive my ICE to work everyday and I make sure to rev it 20 times to make up for you.

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GM is trading at 5.7 PE if you want a cheap domestic car company. I think the bigger question is who buys ICE vehicles with the EU and US transitioning to EVs? The EU and US can protect internal markets against Chinese competition but they can't protect Europe's export markets. So the TAM for European manufacturers is bound to shrink as domestically the US and EU push forward EV adoption and China will likely dominate the export market.

Mentions:#GM#ICE#EU#EV

This should be way higher up, although fortunately ICE just pulled their concentrat- uh "border facility" contract a few days ago.

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Watch the presentation... Nvidia doesn't even fab chips btw... they only design chips. TSMc is the only company that can make high end chips which is already fully booked by Apple. Yes, some form of tech will eventually replace GPUs. Just like EVs will eventually replace ICE... But it takes a long time for EVs or new tech to be widely adopted and the older generation stuff to be completely phased out... Its not like there will not be a demand for GPUs even when quantum comes out... Someone still has to write the software that goes with it...

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I definitely understand. Teslas valuation is based on the fact that the world has decided to move to electric cars over ice. When you look at how all of the other car companies are set up with unions and loads of debt you realize that Tesla is close to Apple in this situation. People would have said the same thing about the mobile phone space. The other car companies aren’t going to be able to shift their business to 100% electric without a massive bailout to pay pension obligations and actually be able to fire people from their ICE divisions. Most importantly if you look at the US car industry Tesla has the highest automotive gross margins (even after cutting prices) even compared to ICE vehicles. Most of the legacy auto are currently getting their margins from financing (although it looks like Tesla is moving into this as well so they will have more debt moving forward). Also at the moment Tesla isn’t paying a cut to dealers. Then Tesla has a massive cost advantage with the hardware for charging stations and the reliability. Their charging stations are so good that the other car companies (their competitors) are switching to their charging standard. They are also building and designing their own batteries and building their own end to end supply chain for mining the materials for batteries and increasing their ability to recycle. As a reference the market cap of CATL is $100B alone. Finally Tesla Energy is growing and again if you believe in the Decarbonization push where solar, wind and other intermittent renewables will take up a larger portion of the energy mix their energy business has the potential to be massive. This is also excluding things like their virtual power plant which is replacing diesel generators for homes. As long as you believe this and you believe that the US will not allow Chinese cars to dominate the market / Americans would be reluctant to purchase Chinese cars. If you notice I’m not mentioning their insane software advantage in terms of the software to run the car and apps (iOS). If you look at the other stuff creating an AWS competitor, FSD, Robotaxis, and Optimus and assume there is a 10% chance of them being able to do at least one of those, I think each of those is a 1-2 trillion dollar opportunity. Personally I think for them Optimus is the most likely as they can use it in their factory and start saving money on labor costs and sell that to other factories (I do not believe the story that this is something that will be useful for normal people).

Mentions:#ICE#FSD

If a vehicle emits Co2, oxide and methane into the atmosphere, it does nothing to help. Hybrids emit all three. My point is that most legacy ICE manufacturers are not interested in helping the environment. It's all about profit margin. Most haven't figured out a profitable path to manufacturing EV's. Ergo, throw an auxiliary electric motor in their ICE vehicles and market them to customers who are apprehensive about switching over to an EV. The apprehension is fueled by false narratives in the press and on social media that EV's are somehow too risky to own. I'm a retired 30+ year auto industry veteran. I've owned two Tesla M3 Dual Motor Long range's over the past 6 years. They have been the best, safest, fastest, most fun to drive, reliable cars I've ever owned. No oil to change, my brakes will last me 75K, no belts, hoses, coolant, timing belts, pistons, rings, injectors, emissions controls, exhaust pipes, mufflers (shall I go on?) to worry about. It costs me $14/month to charge at home and we do 12-15K a year. I honestly don't understand what the mental struggle is all about from an ownership stand point. Not to mention the fact that you invest in your grandchildren's futures.

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EV’s are just virtue signaling “look at me” cars that do absolutely nothing to fix the current “environmental issues” with ICE. The cobalt mines strip the earth worse than fossil fuels ever did and the car batteries are not able to be recycled still. Like guys I know some of you think it’s doing something but if a million rich people all consistently fly their private jets all over the world every year like they do, it doesn’t fucking matter what car you drive. They’re doing more damage to the environment in 10 flights than you’ll ever do driving an ICE car the rest of your life. Remember that.

Mentions:#EV#ICE

EV's are ass because... hybrids make an already complicated tech with too many moving parts, an ICE engine MORE complicated and failure prone since it now has to mate with EV tech. Hybrids were cute 20 years ago, today they're a dead end tech that one company with no vision is sticking to.

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$AFMD Affimed is a clinical-stage biopharmaceutical company that focuses on developing immune cell engager (ICE) therapies for the treatment of blood cancers and other malignancies. Currently breaking out from long downtrend. Cash runway through 2H 2025. Analysts maintained, reiterated or raised Pts which around $20. Confirmed support above $7.20 and she flys.

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Some might consider that original 10x goal unreasonable. Yet it was signed, and achieved. if you really think it's unreasonable, then you should have no issue signing it again, betting that he will fail. Market Cap usually10x when expectations are subverted. Like when nobody believed EV would steal market share form ICE, but it did anyway.

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I’m not being sarcastic. Musk turned Tesla from a 50b to a 500b company in less than 5 years. He created the best selling car (including ICE) in the entire world. No other CEO aside from Jensen at Nvidia comes even close to that performance. Out of every single company in the entire world.

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is there some particular significance to including the term in state law? seems like a shibboleth to me. climate change isn't a culture war topic, the policy suggestions (like forcing ICE bans, carbon taxation, individualized carbon footprint tracking, etc etc) are culture war topics. because we want the government to be limited in the country founded for limited government generally, and balanced federal / state authority specifically.

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On one hand, I don't think Elon is going to add enough value to Tesla from here in order for it to ultimately justify the insane valuation that it has. They won't solve robotaxi and AI, it's just an EV company and serious competition is coming from ICE automakers in the next 3-5 years. Canning the supercharger team was evidence that Elon doesn't see Tesla as an EV company or prioritize that execution. They are losing the plot. That said, I also don't think Tesla can justify it's valuation if Elon leaves, as then they clearly will be just an EV company also. Either way, I don't see a path for Tesla to easily manifest their loftier dreams. I had the self driving trial and it was hot garbage.

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You know how lots of this sub hates Elon and that leads to an inverse wsb position of being a tsla bull? We’ll I think it’s mistaken because a lot of us love the promise of Tesla and the fact that Tesla was instrumental in the shift away from ICE, so hating Elon and being bullish on tesla without Elon is the correct position I think many of us here have. We want tesla to be the best it can be and we think it’s time for Elon to go away so he can fully focus on his boring Twitter and xai

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No, despite having a ticker USDX on the Nasdaq exchangewa, that is the *SGI Enhanced Core ETF*, which >seeks to generate current income and enhanced yield by utilizing a diversified portfolio of higher-yielding, high quality short-term money market instruments and ultra- short-term options strategies. UUP is the *Invesco DB US Dollar Index Bullish Fund*, which tracks >long U.S. Dollar Index futures contracts that trade on the ICE futures exchange. The USDX® futures contract is designed to replicate the performance of being long the U.S. dollar against a basket of the six major world currencies - the euro, Japanese yen, British pound, Canadian dollar, Swedish krona and Swiss franc. I'm not sure what you are looking for in a US Dollar Index ETF.

Why to build EVs? They can just make cars which run on EV motor during tests, and turn on ICE on roads.

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though their EVs are still uncompetitive with domestic ICE vehicles, so that's why they might try to ban existing ICEs as well, though that will probably trigger a riot they can't handle

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People are highly motivated by price. If it costs 15k more for a Camry, people will just buy a model 3. The model 3 is already cheaper when you factor in gas savings and maintenance but that’s hard to convince people of. Price at POS will demolish ICE sales. Also you have to realize that at the same exact time that ICE vehicles become more expensive and less profitable, the exact opposite will happen with EV’s. That means OEM’s won’t even want customers to buy ICE vehicles because they’ll make way less money on a higher purchase price.

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You’re ignoring the fact that the cost of ICE engines will skyrocket as the sales go down. That will dampen demand further and expedite them becoming the minority of sold vehicles. Yes, they will be around longer because cars have a couple decades life cycle but as far as sales go, EV’s will overtake ICE within the next 5-10 years.

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Until they are leading in EV or ICE sales they definitely have a better place to put their money than buybacks, they're way behind on both.

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Snark all you want. Mary has created a money printing machine and every day the market buys ICE vehicles is another day for her team to optimize EVs and wring out costs while they make money during the transition. GM is criminally overlooked by investors.

Mentions:#ICE#GM

How is sticking with the status quo of ICE vehicles better for the environment? I’m an environmentalist and can’t stand “activists” like this. Technological stagnation and degrowth won’t help the environment…quite the opposite in fact.

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Thank you for confirming my point. "Those motors cost power to use". I never said it was a large cost. Plus carry around cost 100% of the time, another 0.5-1 mile range difference depending on the vehicle. It really no different that carrying cargo. Every pound impacts mileage. For cost reasons, some ICE cars are still available with manual windows, including pickups and Jeeps. There is also the advantage of being able to roll up the windows when the battery is dead. Where an ICE car can usually power the windows when engine failure occurs, an EV that powers the windows from the main battery could not do so in the event of full power failure. There are scenarios where securing a dead vehicle is desirable.

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There are no subsidies, EVs are just that much cheaper to build than ICE.

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“Brussels is pushing ahead with Chinese electric vehicle tariffs of up to 38 per cent, brushing aside German government warnings that the move risks starting a costly trade war with Beijing.” That’s is an interesting take for Germany because they have a huge car manufacturing industry (quick google) that’s 5% of the GDP of Germany. Twice that of France and also employs up to a million people. In my opinion it’s a good move to make the market for EV’s more competitive and bring/add jobs to the EU instead of only the end products. BYD, for example, has affordable EV’s that feel luxurious (personal impression). If they could be assembled/made in the EU because the import tariffs are too high to be competitive could be a positive move. More jobs in the EU but also affordable cars, which in theory should compel traditional car companies to follow suit. Also the thing with EV’s is that the whole industry of (ICE)car parts/garages will implode. Less maintenance and less parts. Manufacturing in the EU could in theory help relieve that (in time) shrinking industry.

What I really feel about the issue of Chinese EVs being brought en masse into Europe and North America is this; on the face value of everything, it looks like the EU, US have suddenly turned against their free market ideals of buying and selling, as the levies being imposed here are to fundamentally kill the idea of having Chinese cars on their roads before it can even take hold. What is being done here is potentially so extreme that people will look at the price of a BYD Dolphin or Xpeng 7 and think ‘fuck it, better off buying an ICE vehicle instead’. It’s funny in a sense that all of these same EU and US leaders endorsing this kind of levy or tariff are the same ones shouting for people to drive greener cars, imposing hefty fines or surcharges for people who are holding onto their old diesels and petrols. Their problem now is that the ONLY country at the moment which can adequately supply the quantity of EVs needed to meet their climate targets is China. And it’s not just an EV thing, most other ‘green’ technologies like Lithium batteries and solar are 95%+ made in China, which then puts a lot of pressure on themselves to achieve their net Zero/decarbonisation goals. Whether Vietnam, Southeast Asia will be able to meet the demand for Eco-friendly technologies is yet to be seen in the face of rapid decoupling between China and the west. But despite all this, trade with China is not entirely within the realm of ‘free trade’ as we like to think. At the end of the day, the Chinese government is an authoritarian, dictatorship body which has extensive or even exclusive control over what their domestic industries produce. Potentially, what the EU and US is trying to pre-empt here is the practice of market flooding, where the Chinese government sanctioned practice of unloading such a massive quantity of cheap product into the market so that the domestic vehicle producers (Opel, Ford, Citroen etc) simply cannot compete with the sheer number of cheap vehicles in the market, causing their demise and tens of thousands of workers to go out of jobs. Then, in such a scenario it can be argued that China itself does not abide by the principles of free market trade, where the state gives unfair assistance to beat competition which is not afforded such a luxury.

Dude, you have no idea what you’re talking about. If ice sales drop even 5% per year that is death for a car company that doesn’t have EV’s that are competitive to get the new sales. They’ll die within a few years if that. Not only that but you have reverse economies of scale. The less ICE cars you produce, the more expensive they become and that cost goes exponential considering the EV’s share none of the engine, transmission, fuel tank and lines, the list goes on. As EV’e ramp the cost goes down while ICE cost goes up and that isn’t even taking in gas price into account. What do you think will happen when the oil companies see less and less customers each year? Do you think they’ll accept making less? Or do you think they’ll crank the price because the people still using ice vehicles will be people who have no choice like your Alaska example. GM is fucked without an adequate EV replacement lineup and right now Tesla is eating their lunch and it’s not even close. They’re going to go bankrupt.

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ICE is going to survive 20y more. Survive. Not Rule. In the middle of New Mexico or Alaska there arent a lot of people. In other words not a lot of customers.

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My dude at this point we’d be best served by buying that S10 rolling chassis and paying someone to slap electric motors in it - a business starting to small take off in regions as people want to keep their cool ICE car but swap out the engine for ev motors

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ICE will transition to serve the edge cases where it makes the most sense, but electric is the way things will go. His assertion assumes battery tech and power generation is frozen in time. Also, our gas/oil distribution system has nothing on the power grid. There are like dozens of places that can provide gas, but nearly every structure built in a first world country has electricity.

Mentions:#ICE

Not sure why you're being downvoted. ICE is going to be alive and well for a while. Took a hundred years to build our current infrastructure, it'll take time for EVs to catch up, but they eventually will.

Mentions:#ICE

ICE is going to rule 20y more. mark my words. In the middle of New Mexico or Alaska and you have an EV? Africa, 80% Asia, 70% Europe...30-60 min to have a decent charge? why Hertz dropped EV?

Mentions:#ICE#EV

Typical executive greed. Their EV product line is still in its infancy and having troubles and recalls. Could use that $6 billion to boost new products and transition away from ICE. Hire more people and retrain existing. Barely made it out of the last battery fiasco. ICE sales are dropping across the world.

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Realistically ICE is going to be around for a generation. We simply cannot turn out sufficient EVs to displace the reported near 280 million vehicles in the US anytime soon. Even if every vehicle sold was an EV it could be twenty years to replace the fleet discounting all the EV that age out as well across that time. Europe is in a similar position. We are not going to obviously turn over the fleet in twenty years and perhaps forty might be more closer to the actual time frame unless something drastically changes. Put it this way, petrol stations are still being built as their ROI is assumed safe which should give some indication of how long this market is going to persist.

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Oof, I accidentally deleted my previous post. And can't undelete. Anyway, I'm going to follow this thread because I retired last December from 28 years of doing software and was looking into starting an automotive business for a couple of reasons 1) I am running out of space for my cars and I'm starting to annoy the neighbors 2) I would like a place where I can have a real car lift. The ceiling in my garage is too low. 3) I'd like a place to work on my cars with friends so I can run my air tools and my air compressor without annoying my neighbors I was thinking about buying a few smog inspection businesses. I'm not looking to make a ton of money, just enough to pay the bills for the shop and maybe employ a few people and give them jobs and have a little emergency business cash... A place to fk around with. Here in CA , most cars older than 8 years need to do a smog inspection every 2 years. The state heavily regulates who can do smog inspections and while the required xxx hours of classes wasn't hard for me, nor was the exam to be able to take the lincese test, nor was the license test administered by the Bureau of Automotive repair was hard for me, there is only about a 4-5% pass rate. And since the license test is done only in English and requires some knowledge of emissions systems, there is a natural barrier to entry from cheaper undocumented immigrants preventing others from doing this (unlike say autobody repair or welding, where it's mainly your skill/talent and less understanding of systems and rules and regulations) Furthermore , the current owners of these smog stations are baby boomers approaching their 60ies and their workers are also nearing retiring. And since the young generation aren't taking the time to do this work, there's going to be a shortage of workers to be able to do this , and hence some of these owners will probably retire and close the shop. Fewer shops to do this should me higher prices for a required smog check every 2 years. Now, CA is suppose to phase out ICE cars by 2030, but there's still a lot of ICE cars out there, especially for those that can't afford an EV and don't have a place to charge them... So there probably should still be a healthy demand for the next 10 years. The startup cost is fairly low. Besides the building lease, the emission system can be leased for around $500-600/month and is roughly the size of a computer station. There's equipment for older cars that require a tailpipe/Dyno test, for $600-800/month , but requires a lot more space. I could just choose not to test those older cars and not deal with all that extra equipment ... Some car enthusiasts say that I had as Dyno at my shop, people would pay to get their cars Dyno. But using a Dyno to maximum torque and HP probably is a lot more wear and tear that using one to test for tail pipe emissions so I would have to investigate how profitable that would be because maintaining a Dyno probably isnt cheap. The average price of a smog check is around $40-60 right now. Most of the tests are taken 10-15 minutes since most cars just need to plug the smog check machine into the OBD2 diagnostic port. I'm estimating in about 2-3 years this will go to $100 per car. People with ICE exotic cars or sports cars pay $250-350+ now. That may go up to around $400-500. Older cars that require a more involved Dyno + tailpipe test, I can just opt out not doing those cars. So I'm looking to buy out one or more smog shops... Thoughts ?

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I'm going to follow this thread. I just "retired" in December from being a software engineer for 28 years. In looking into buying a business related to automotive. Because 1) I am running out of places to store my cars and my neighbors are getting irritated 2) I cannot put a full car lift in my garage because my ceiling is too low. 3) I'd like a place to work on my car 4) I would like the business to cover the expenses and maybe employ some people who need a job. My goal would be to make a lot of money, just enough to cover expenses and maybe a little more. I was thinking about doing a Smog Check/Inspection station .... Here in CA, most people need to do a smog check every 2 years. It's heavily licensed, and while it wasn't that difficult for me to take the required classes , pass the test to be eligible to take the licensing exam, and pass the Bureau of Automotive Repair license test ... The pass rate is fairly low, I think around 5%... Furthermore , the licensing exam is administered in English only and requires some decent understanding and knowledge of the emissions system so there's not going to be that much competition from undocumented workers who can do it for much less (unlike say welding or autobody work which ones talent is more important that understanding regulations and system ). Lastly, the people who run these businesses are older boomer type people and the people working there tend to also be older boomer people approaching their 60ies... The workers are going to be retiring or croaking, and since the younger people aren't really going to be doing this type of work because they are too busy being social media influencers, then owners are going to be retiring their business soon.... So the number of people trained and able to do these inspections is going to go down. Now, in CA, ICE cars are supposed to start being phased out in from new car sales in 2030...but rjeees foing r9nbe a bunch of people who still have ICE cars that will need to pay a lot more for the smog inspection every year. The smog inspection itself is getting easier because it's simply plugging the inspection system into the cars OBD2 diagnostic port....but ... It can only be done by a person or business owner licensed by the CA bureau of automotive repair. Standard smog inspections run from from $40-60 each now. Probablly be $100 in a few years. People with ICE exotic cars like me will need someone to smog their car and those go upwards to $200-300 right now. So I'm looking to buy a few smog check businesses l... Thought ?

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I've been liking F with the Ford Pro developments as a software platform within Ford. I think it's underestimated and undervalued with their positioning as an ICE, hybrid, and EV company

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> So you know how much of the pullbacks are choice vs how many are declining wells? I remember CNX mentioning reducing production earlier this year when prices cratered. Natural gas are cyclical and [prices always crater around spring](https://www.ice.com/publicdocs/cmsdata/ice/images/AEA_ICE_Natgas_storage.jpg), although this year's decline was a bit extreme. As for pullback I know Anthony Chovanec, vice-president of EPD, said producers in the Permian didn't halt in terms of capturing oil-related natural gas. Going through the EIA data for each major U.S. formation, it seems that both total production and production per rig was unchanged during February-April. Of course, the data could be lagging and updated in the near future. > Also, I thought I read the Permian was seeing increasing natural gas production. Not that you can use the same infrastructure, but there is a lot of supply. Active oil wells produce a ton of natural gas as a byproduct of drilling. The drillers used to just flare or vent it as it cost them money to inject gas into pipelines. Now that LNG export makes it economical to collect, the midstream companies are [either adding or expanding pipeline capacity to transport those volumes](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=56800) to storage for liquification. > Canada seems to also be increasing production. CNQ has seen gas production rise and Michael Rose (well regarded Canadian oil entrepreneur) founded tourmaline just to extract Canadian gas. I hope so! Apparently Canada is [investing a ton](https://natural-resources.canada.ca/energy/energy-sources-distribution/natural-gas/canadian-liquified-natural-gas-projects/5683) into LNG projects. > I guess where I'm going.... isn't there enough supply coming online to offset declines in Appalachia? My main concern is the export projection come on top of U.S. domestic consumption. We could theoretically meet those expectations if domestic remained static, but the latter is expected to explode - nat gas is the "transition medium" to phase out coal and oil. Until nuclear gains momentum, it's supposed to be the primary energy source for future base load generation. When I look at the EIA's statistics over time, I'm not seeing the prerequisite YoY increases across all formations required to satisfy both areas. Either the U.S. can cut overly optimistic export volumes and satisfy increased local demand or vice versa. The Permian alone cannot carry this dilemma on its shoulders Atlas-style. If Permian production stalls for any reason in the next half-decade, there will be a big mismatch.

I'm having trouble understanding how Tesla could explode in the next 1-2 years. Mind sharing your thoughts? I actually like Teslas, but what I see happening in the market currently: * EV sales are down across the board due to plateauing or tax incentive drying up or whatever * Aside from the supercharger initiative, there's not really been a huge push to increase EV charging infrastructure - at least where I live I feel like the infrastructure has stagnated * Hybrid and other types of intermediary vehicles with an ICE have seen a resurgence, and ICE technology and fuel efficiency continues getting better every year * Tesla is embroiled in self-driving and autopilot controversy. Weren't we supposed to have fully autonomous, end-to-end self-driving cars already? * Tesla body styling is polarizing and hasn't been updated in years/ever? * Elon is a polarizing figure and is no longer the tech guru / media darling that he used to be. I don't see him clawing his way back into the public's good graces. * Tesla build quality is an absolute crapshoot * Cybertruck Speculative, but I guess I could see if they deliver on completely automated self-driving, that could bring in additional customers and completely upend the ride share business, but that requires regulatory changes and political maneuvering that would be >1-2 years in the making. I guess my imagination is failing me on ways in which Tesla could explode in 1-2 years that doesn't involve it evolving into something completely different than just a car company.

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Thats what they get for doubling down on ICE vehicles like the regards they are at Toyota

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https://www.nyse.com/publicdocs/ICE_NYSE_2024_Yearly_Trading_Calendar.pdf

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Nope, that's when it happens, the announcement is on the first Friday of June. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.nyse.com/publicdocs/ICE_NYSE_2024_Yearly_Trading_Calendar.pdf

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> At those prices the car is basically a premium or a luxury car and price is less the issue. Its priced at a premium compared to an ICE. In the EV market they are competing and beating Hyundai on price. You aren't really seeing much cheaper unless you drop down to pretty short range vehicles. They are also cost-competitive compared to plug-in hybrids. A model 3 is slightly cheaper in my area than a Prius Prime. The model S and Model X are a different story though. Those are very much priced as a premium vehicle.

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If I wanted to buy a Kona, I would have. Not even interested in test driving it. The supercharger, single pedal driving, auto pilot, software updates, the convenience of charging at home/work are what convinced me to get a Tesla. Bottom line, Tesla Model is the best car I've driven. Not planning on going back to ICE cars. In fact, I bought a second one for the wife. I don't have anything against an ICE car. I simply prefer EV. It works for me.

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I’m pretty sure the companies that do this are public, CBOE, ICE, CME, NDAQ, SPGI are the tickers.

I’ll play devils advocate > from a purely financial standpoint how is Tesla even successful Besides BYD, they’re the only automaker globally who’s selling EVs for a profit > I rarely see a Tesla car being driven They produced 1.85M cars for US distribution in 2023 which puts them just behind Ford at 1.96M, and they’re very likely to surpass Ford this year. Lack of seeing them on the roads is simply due to them being a relatively new manufacturer. There’s tens of millions of decade+ old vehicles on the road while Tesla model 3 and model y only released in 2017 and 2020 respectively. > all of Elons other companies have failed/ are failing SpaceX is wildly successful. Quite literally the largest space company on Earth. Takes some real mental gymnastics to say the richest man who’s simultaneously running two large/megacap leaders in their respective industries is failing. > he’s been kicked off multiple company boards So was Steve Jobs 🤷‍♂️ I don’t own Tesla as I’m not smart enough to understand if they’re actually close to solving autonomous driving or AI, or how quickly they’ll be able to scale their energy generation/storage segment or EV charging or Tesla insurance or their robotics. But it’s not hard to see a potential path to them being wildly successful. I think too many people get emotionally invested in loving or hating Elon and ignore the business case for being the global leader in EVs at a time when ICE is being phased out.

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Shit cars that don’t hold up? For like 40k you can get a car that’s faster than a Ferrari, quiet as a mouse, requires zero maintenance and drives itself. They have 8 year 125k powertrain warranty. There’s like 20 moving parts compared to thousands in an ICE vehicle. Batteries from the original 2008 roadsters still going strong and expected to last 300-500k miles now.

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I don’t know the answer to this question, but is the cost of things like tires factored into that “lowest cost of maintenance claim”? My understand is EV tires are more expensive (up to 50%) and wear out faster due to the increased vehicle weight. I’m also curious if these are comparing dealer prices to dealer prices - you can repair an ICE vehicle at a 3rd party mechanic and my understand is this is not really an option for EVs, especially Tesla (this extends to other luxury brands though not just EVs). I guess my problem with the maintenance cost claims is it’s true if you are a person who switched from a BMW to a Tesla, but definitely not true if you’re coming from a Toyota or a Honda.

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Hydrogen cars are rolling bombs. Not to mention the clusterfuck refilling the MULTIPLE tanks is and the massive headache if the checks error and shut down the filling station ICE cars are supreme for the next 3 decades+

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Edmunds predicts a 5 year total cost to own for a 2024 Corolla at $36.6k and a 2024 Model 3 at $52.1k. https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparisons/?veh1=401960784&veh2=402009107 EVs are not guaranteed to be cheaper to drive than an ICE

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All EV offering vs. mostly ICE.

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Insurance + the interest on a new car loan keeps my butt firmly planted in my old ass Toyota. Plus the horror stories I hear of Teslas waiting on service keep me away. Any mechanic can fix my ICE car, though I haven't had to see one in so long.

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Nope read the consumer reports article, Tesla’s are the cheapest to maintain out of any brand. ICE engines and drivetrains have a lot of moving parts and sensors that break. Like the other commenter I wish there were more good options for EV’s. https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/the-cost-of-car-ownership-a1854979198/

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Nah 2020 Mazda I practise what I preach, and when I say I think the future is combustion engines using alternative fuels, I purchase from manufacturers still focusing on making efficient ICE, namely Mazda/Toyta.

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Again, you don’t understand how an HFCEV works. It doesn’t use water as fuel, it emits water as the waste product. It still used compressed hydrogen for the fuel cells, and that compressed hydrogen comes from a fueling station. There is no ICE, that isn’t at all how it works. The triple response is unhinged bud. Relax, but $10,000 work of a stock you don’t understand, and let everyone else do their thing.

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I’m calling ICE on you.

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Indeed, they're stupid enough to not make any proper EVs in a world where all major economies are pulling away from ICE.

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Just because a lot of that debt is car loans DOES NOT mean that it's not risky for Ford to carry that much debt. Look at what happened in the 2008 housing crisis. A bunch of people bought way more house then they could afford, and then defaulted on their loans all at once. There was a massive glut in supply, and prices fell a lot from their bubble highs, the banks lost a bunch of money on the bad housing loans they gave out. The same thing can happen to Ford if there's a massive glut in the used vehicle market and a ton of people who are underwater on their loans default all at once (such as during a recession). Throw in how the market is shifting to EV's overtime and how most of Ford's Vehicles are ICE vehicles and there's additional risks that ICE vehicles may start to depreciate more rapidly in value than expected in the future as consumer preferences shift, and you have another scenario where all those auto loans could really screw Ford over. And on top of that, lets not forget that unlike a house, a car is a depreciating asset, hence why a lot of banks refuse to give auto loans.

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Nope, the spot price of Lithium has returned to its pre-covid prices. The upside of developing the mine is much lower than it was a couple years ago. https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lithium. Also most of the traditional ICE Auto companies are scaling back (Ford, GM, etc) so the demand is not there. Commodity plays only work when the commodity is more scarce or in higher demand. This is when you should have exited - https://financialpost.com/commodities/mining/elon-musk-relieved-lithium-prices-fall.

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Most people don't even like hybrids because they have a battery too. Some guy at work details cars as a side hustle. I asked is he could do my RAV4 Prime and he said "no. I don't like hybrids" even though the cabin is exactly the same as the ICE version.

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They are still gigantic wastes of resources. They are less terrible in some areas but also worse in others. Overall, replacing ICE cars with EVs won't solve shit. Just slightly shift our problems.

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Yeah but EVs were and are still competing with ICE cars which had both a price and legacy advantage. In this case, AI isn't really competing with anything and the uses for this technology are absolutely immense and in almost all areas of life. The other tech companies are gonna catch up eventually and Nvidia won't have such a huge advantage anymore but i dont think the AI hype train is fake. It sure feels like the start of the internet again. The value is now in finding the next Google out of the 1 billion AI startups that have cropped up in the last 2 years.

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They already are and is still the early days for car manufacturers on their EV development. I would venture that in 5 years the majority of cars on the road will be EVs and in 10 years only a very tiny minority will be ICE

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Electric vehicles account for 1% of all registered vehicles, and are 8% of new car sales. I don’t think EVs are going to “decimate” auto parts stores anytime soon. Not to mention EVs still have a lot of parts that will need replacing just like their ICE counterparts.

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I spent 3 tanks in the last year which is awesome, but still... all this progress with wider adoption of EV's and more efficient ICE engines is offset by more people using bigger trucks. Honestly hopping for $20 gas prices.

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without getting into the Musk drama, this is actually a huge fallacy. The reality is that EV sales were pulled forward through cheap money (near 0% loans), government incentives - If you lived in CA you could literally get $15,000 off if you bought a TSLA ($7,500 from CA and $7,500 from the FEDS), and the fact that EVs were cool and new. Most of the people who could deal with the charging and range constraints (mostly people living in dense cities) bought their TSLAs. Every EV maker is tanking. Most are on the verge of bankruptcy or pulling back targets and new factory construction - which is great in the short term but will actually destroy them in the long term. The only ones making it are TSLA and the Chinese which are insanely subsidized by the government (cheap labor helps). Even massive manufacturers like GM and Ford are failing - I think Ford losses around $45,000 per EV sold. ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4275) EVs are just going through a business cycle. Might last a few years, but unless you think everyone is just going to give up on EVs and go back to ICE, then TSLA will survive and likely come out leaner and make even more $ down the road.

Well yes and no, as a conservative republican, I always do slander EVs , I am 100% all for ICE and fossil fuels, you couldn't pay me to care about climate change, HOWEVER the cyber truck is pretty sick and with Elon being as based as he is i wouldn't mind driving one

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Heavy doubt. The republicans constantly slander EVs as being part of a progressive agenda and climate change hoax. They are all in fossil fuels and ICE engines. There’s also the problem of at home charging for anyone who lives in an apartment. It’s easy for someone with a house to switch over because they can install a charger in their garage and charge at home.

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Patent should've expired decades ago....break the cartel It's BS that something like an ICE motor that revolutionizes the world expires in 20 years,,,,but a simple language/instruction spec sheet doesn't expire.... It's like holding the ethernet protocol hostage forever. It's just 0s and 1s in a specific order...anyone could do it in hundreds of ways, but Intel gets to keep the bag because they wrote the most popular one down decades ago.

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Honda's strength and reputation is its high revving bomb proof engines that keep going and going. If we go all EV, I wonder how Honda will fare without its stand out ICE engines ..coming from a Honda motorbikes and car's owner fan boy.

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I'm just overthinking that EV is not the answer. back to ICE vehicles. ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)

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Not *ever*… here is the value of the dollar using ICE futures going back to 2015. https://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/US/M

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I won't pay for that shit so I'm waiting on an EV that doesn't have it but does have extensive range. I'm hoping for at least 700 miles to a charge and 20 minutes charging time. I'll stay with my 07 ICE for a few more years I guess. I'd like a used Ford Mach-E with a replacement solid state battery that doesn't exist yet. I'd like to pay less than 40k. I just like the little horsey on the front.

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FSD was supposed to make them a Tech/Sass company. Without that they are just a car company and decently overpriced since they don’t even have ICE or Hybrid cars as the major competitors?

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