ICE

glyptometa

It is fascinating. We only hear about this one because they were ordinary USA citizens and the ICE/FBI/Marshalls had to back off, yet the seizure of devices and cash stands. The trauma on those young girls is unforgiveable and will never go away. God forbid one of the daughters spoke about anything controversial in their socials. We all know that these goose-steppers will hyper-examine those devices to find some shred of justification, and life could easily become more horrendous for this now at-risk American family We're not hearing about the treatment of immigrants, legal or otherwise, unless the situation is high-profile and desperately outside the law, such as Abrego-Garcia. A specialist engineer or medico attracted to the USA due to skills shortages is definitely keeping their head down as low as it goes. In general, legal immigrants are shit-scared to speak to media

glyptometa

When the USA-Crazy-Time started, and ICE was told to "Stop Being Nice," I shuddered. Today I read this: ['We're citizens!': Oklahoma City family traumatized after ICE raids home, but they weren't suspects](https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/oklahoma-city-family-traumatized-ice-raid/) Eerily similar to the brownshirts in late 1930s Germany

StoppableHulk

> We're basically in the end game if the admin is no longer flinching at total economic shit down. In the past few weeks, they're soliciting other countries to build concentration camps, openly defying SCOTUS rulings and threatening to imprison justices, sending military equipment to police, and issuing full authority for ICE to enter any home they want without a warrant. Yeah, this is the end game. The administration has accepted catastrophic economic melt down. They are not going to intervene to prevent it. And in the meantime they're preparing in exactly the way that you would if you were intending to declare martial law and use the military to quell violent uprisings and use your new concentration camp pipeline to ship agitants out of the country extrajudicially. We are here. I deeply wish people would stop being so naive. They are playing all their cards at this point.

Verbal-Gerbil

\*pro EV anti-consumerism. I discovered (as a brit) the concept of coal rolling by ICE fans (!) massively triggered by EVs. And yet somehow, they now worship Tesla.

Time_Ad_6741

Geo Group is an evil one. They’re in the business of processing centers, private prisons, and immigration re-entry facilities. Stock has been doing well since trump got in and boosted funding for ICE and facilities for holding illegals.

Ju-9-wel

I’m going to leave the DOGE comment alone because that’s a whole different conversation. But as far as the tariffs are concerned, they’re hurting the US more than any other country because they were done to everyone all at once rather than strategically. This has driven everyone (including China) to simply look for other options, such as China getting beef and pork from Brazil. Like it or not, America is a service economy at least as far as jobs (we also manufacture a lot but most of it is automated.) It’s not realistic or feasible for the entire country to suddenly change, and even if it were, companies aren’t going to want to pay US wages or build expensive factories—far more lucrative even with tariffs to do it elsewhere. Listen to just about any economic expert and that’s what they’re saying. So in short he’s destroying the economy for nothing. And the worst thing is compiled with the aggressive ICE raids and insulting our allies, nobody wants to visit us or do business with us. If you really want to research, look at the construction industry, tourism, airline, automotive….the numbers aren’t partisan. They’re plain alarming

CoughRock

bers being shipped to el savadro pound in butt tuck prison by ICE agent right now. 

RandomPMs

Things they don't care about because it's not directed at them/doesn't affect them (yet): * Trump being on Epstein's flight logs * Trump mocking a disabled person * Trump lying about stealing confidential documents then being indicted on 34 counts * Trump's DOJ arresting a Colorado judge * ICE arresting legal aliens with no criminal background (because they're not white). Conservatives only care about things that affect them directly (look up "The Only Moral Abortion is MY Abortion"). Walmart shelves being empty and grocery prices doubling in some categories WILL affect them. It's going to be an absolute shit-show in a few weeks.

Soujourner3745

That's great if you want to be an ICE officer. What about everyone else?

lonelytop1818

I guess ICE doesn't care. They need their numbers pumped up idk.

Gingerishidiot

10,000 ICE officers?

Joenair85

Palantir. Militaries use their AI to target civilians and ICE will be using it to target people to deport.

Plus_Seesaw2023

* **CoreCivic, Inc. (NYSE: CXW)** One of the two largest private prison and detention-center operators in the U.S., CoreCivic’s revenues swell as incarceration rates rise—whether for ICE detainees, federal inmates, or state prisoners. Its profitability is literally tied to locking people up, often in for-profit jails where cost-cutting can mean overcrowding, understaffing, and inhumane conditions * **The GEO Group, Inc. (NYSE: GEO)** GEO designs, builds, and runs secure facilities around the world—from U.S. prisons to immigrant “re-entry” centers. Like CoreCivic, it profits directly from higher incarceration and detention rates, and is often criticized for the quality of care (or lack thereof) in its facilities Altria Group, Lockheed Martin, Bayer AG Monsanto !

40feetbelow

Half in MS-13 and the other half work for ICE

General-none98

Well I don’t think their policy or the Biden policy on the student loans wiping out was fair. Also I don’t agree with the gun regs they would want. I think it should be better regulated but not to an extreme. I lean more Democrat in all honestly, and being Hispanic I am honestly not liking the deportation issues. I was born here but imagine someone doesn’t like me and hears me speaking Spanish. ICE rolls up and I am f’d.

NotEntirelyShure

This is like Brexit. People oversold what “collapse” meant. Brexit made Britain poorer at an almost unheard of rate, shaving billions off growth but over years, not months. America is about to get poorer at a rate not seen since the money tightening of the early 80s, but the world won’t end. But don’t get me wrong. The boycott of US goods, the tariffs, people not going on vacation to the US in case they have an issue with their passport and ICE lock them in a cage for a week. You guys are going to get poorer.

Cut_Copies

ICE barbie can't wait to get back out in the field and mishandle more firearms

patchyj

Peter Thiel is the billionaire cofounder of PayPal. He is a POS. Immediately after selling it he shorted the company. He bet his own company would fail and aimed to profit off of it. The word Palantir is from Lord of the Rings. It's Saurons all seeing eye stone that Sauramon uses and that one of the hobbits use to learn his plans. He names his digital spy company, that's contracted by various US gov agencies, Palantir. After the bad guy. Hes proud of it and they've recently been providing ICE with "intel" on "illegals"

Individual_Ad_5655

Can't have an economic boom for many reasons, here's some: 1.Trump is deporting 10 million immifrant labor force, so productivity goes down and economic output goes down. 2. Population isn't growing when your citizen birth rate is crashing. Also, women don't want to risk a pregnancy because they can't access healthcare in many states. 3. The price of goods rises dramatically from Trump imposed tariffs so people spend less to afford essentials. 4. Oil production falls because Trump policies reduced the profits of oil companies. Drill baby drill doesn't work below $65 a barrel. 5. Trump policies and firings are driving scientists to leave the country for employment in foreign countries. 6. Foreign tourism falls off a cliff because nobody wants to be arrested by ICE because they had a Trump meme on their phone. 7. Nobody can afford a house because there's not enough housing supply and the loss of faith in US future has increased interest rates. Listing it out, over the short and medium term, things look pretty dark. How many millions of dollars of economic output does the US lose for every scientist that goes overseas??

RealSimonLee

ICE. Are they a company? They've been popping up all over America lately.

Glittering-Platypus8

Pltr has had multiple big deals with ICE over the years, anyone who knows this would have reason to believe that there are more to come. 

Hot-You-7366

Negative GDP, India-Pakistan, Fox News - 20 minute interview with widow clearly reading off a teleprompter with her eyes fixated to the right of the camera giving out statistics on ICE.

SpittingT

Did you watched the rallies? There are plenty young/middle aged supporters, the most fanatics (ICE-like) will be the ones going door to door and the ones killing/ being killed, the strong supporters will be probably imprisoned or exiled/deported but mostly they will switch side or deny support for Trump and live free as anything happened

spectre401

Most EVs have no transmission or at most a 2 speed transmission and electric motors are usually sourced as a whole and much smaller than a ICE engine. most of the time, if you need to replace these with US sourced parts, basically the full vehicle will need to be redesigned to facilitate packaging. there is almost zero chance a parts supplier would move their full manufacturing process to the US. Also, don't forget even if the parts are sourced in the US, almost all the materials would be imported and thus subject to tariffs.

everythingsc0mputer

ICE, FBI, DHS are all obeying his orders. What makes you think the military won't?

brintoul

I laffed heartily when folks were saying “tHeRe aRen’T gOnNa be aNy ICE sALes iN 5 yEaRs” like 3 years ago. How the fuck’s that going?!

beginner75

I can't say for Tesla as you have indicated, is different from ICE vehicles, having fewer parts, but if you look at list of cars with 75% or more US content, there's only 1 EV, the Volkswagen ID.4 AWD. 4 Mustang GT AT 80 Ford Motor Company Ford 4 Mustang GT 5.0L 80 Ford Motor Company Ford 4 Mustang GT Coupe Premium 80 Ford Motor Company Ford 5 Passport AWD 76.5 Honda Motor Co., Ltd. Honda 5 Passport Trailsport 76.5 Honda Motor Co., Ltd. Honda 6 Wrangler Rubicon 76 Stellantis Jeep 6 Wrangler Sahara 76 Stellantis Jeep 7 ID.4 AWD 82KWH 75.5 Volkswagen Volkswagen 7 Colorado 2.7L 75.5 General Motors LLC Chevrolet 7 Canyon 4WD AT4 Crew Cab 75.5 General Motors LLC GMC 7 Canyon Denali 4WD Crew Cab 75.5 General Motors LLC GMC 7 Colorado LT Crew Cab 2WD 2.7L 75.5 General Motors LLC Chevrolet 7 Colorado Z71 Crew Cab 4WD 2.7L 75.5 General Motors LLC Chevrolet

beginner75

I can't say for Tesla as you have indicated, is different from ICE vehicles, having fewer parts, but if you look at list of cars with 75% or more US content, there's only 1 EV, the Volkswagen ID.4 AWD. || || |4|Mustang GT AT|80|Ford Motor Company|Ford| |4|Mustang GT 5.0L|80|Ford Motor Company|Ford| |4|Mustang GT Coupe Premium|80|Ford Motor Company|Ford| |5|Passport AWD|76.5|Honda Motor Co., Ltd.|Honda| |5|Passport Trailsport|76.5|Honda Motor Co., Ltd.|Honda| |6|Wrangler Rubicon |76|Stellantis|Jeep| |6|Wrangler Sahara|76|Stellantis|Jeep| |7|ID.4 AWD 82KWH|75.5|Volkswagen|Volkswagen| |7|Colorado 2.7L|75.5|General Motors LLC|Chevrolet| |7|Canyon 4WD AT4 Crew Cab|75.5|General Motors LLC|GMC| |7|Canyon Denali 4WD Crew Cab|75.5|General Motors LLC|GMC| |7|Colorado LT Crew Cab 2WD 2.7L|75.5|General Motors LLC|Chevrolet| |7|Colorado Z71 Crew Cab 4WD 2.7L|75.5|General Motors LLC|Chevrolet|

spectre401

But keep in mind that EVs are a relatively new invention and have far fewer number of parts compared to EVs. thus each part would account for a larger percentage while being harder to source as it needs parts which are different while the century of development of ICE cars would have already established industries of ready made parts that most companies would just be able to order and bolt together. Moving these parts suppliers and their supply chains to the US is almost impossible. Tesla uses mostly parts that are produced in house thus increasing that percentage but this usually lowers their profitability per car and it has mostly been able to balance that by selling carbon credits to other companies and collecting government subsidies. Should the carbon credit system still exist in the future, the demand for these credits would diminish as less cars are imported so either way, this model would need to change and I'm sure that would drive up the need for off the shelf parts which most likely would lower thay percentage.

Squamous_Amos

well the ICE prisons are pretty much black sites with no due process, so yea easy mistake to make there.

sjeve108

Ok so how many jobs will be lost in the US.? The only growth in employment seems to be to work for ICE.

Calculonx

OP is a domestic terrorist! ICE all hands on deck!  You don't even need a set day. Just everybody get rid of what you're holding and buy leveraged shorts. Or once it starts dipping that may all take care of itself with people trying to salvage whatever they can.

TrickBit27

ICE 🧊

peritonlogon

Except, many issues will happen because businesses already reacted. The biggest and safest thing to bet against in this market is tourism. People across the globe are cancelling trips here due to their fellow citizens being detained and harassed by ICE and their respective state departments issuing travel warnings. Vegas will likely be a cheap place to visit this summer and flights should be pretty empty.

Healmetho

Where the hell is the rock you climbed out of? OMG are you Sentinelese??? Might want to avoid ICE.

The_real_Covfefe-19

"Marjorie Taylor Greene bought stock in Palantir on April 8th. On April 17th, a $30M deal between Palantir and ICE was announced. Greene sits on the House Committee on Homeland Security. The stock has now risen 48% in the three weeks since her purchase." We need a Big Marge ETF tracker. 

30030s

Foreign tourism is in the trillions annually. They aren't coming this year for fear that they will be put into ICE detention for accidentally checking the wrong box on a form.

taffy_laffy

all amazon executives about to be visited by ICE and sent to el salvador.

Capable_Luck_2817

ICE accounted for almost 50% of their revenue last quarter.

DumboWumbo073

> That’s what’s so baffling about all of this. It can’t do both. It’s impossible Really explain to these ICE agents why it can’t be both. They are eager to hear your theories.

toxiccortex

ICE can now enter your home without warning or warrant and arrest you for basically any reason 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 YES, THE MOMENT WE FEARED HAS ARRIVED

Rrrandomalias

I’ll drive an ICE vehicle that self deports me before I’ll buy a Tesla

Longjumping_Bug6315

Wait wait wait, you mean my blood related family and my brother's wife's family who are all Westboro Baptist Church level crazy were WRONG when they said Trump, Elon, ICE, Kristi Noem and RFK Jr would be incredible for our country and ur telling me that they were WRONG when they said the tarrfis would be a great idea??? I............cannot..............believeeeeeeeeeee............THIS! Wait a sec, yeah nevermind. My family is nuts, of course, they'd fall for all that bullshit. They are Trump lovers. I of course voted in a sane way and went Democrat.

Patient_Sea_3753

I was gonna say-- there are too many good EVs from new and traditionally ICE manufacturers to write off EVs altogether.

RamBamBooey

Uncertainty? -200,000+ Government workers and contractors have been laid off -140,000 immigrant workers and students (paying full tuition) have been deported with many more in process -ICE and Border Patrol are harassing tourists (tourism is 3% of US GDP) -Trump is constantly insulting/threatening Canada (the biggest trading partner) -Due to Biden's China chips ban Huawei has caught up to ASML and Nvidia All of those are certainties. I didn't even mention tariffs.

threeriversbikeguy

He was trying to be nice but since you are being an asshole I will state his point plainly: Why are you buying saturated companies high? Palantir's entire existence is premised on ICE, Israel, and Hegseth giving them government contracts. It may be a decent play for a while but even odds it is 86's in 3.5 years and Thiel shrugs with his billions and moves on to the next scheme.

TRAIN_WRECK_0

\> Multiple AI Chinese experts and scholars some were deported by ICE recently already found positions working jointly on advanced AI development Need a source on this

AndrewJamesDrake

Yes. They recommended against using the Alien Enemies Act to assist ICE on the southern border because there were only a few hundred attempted crossings, and it would be hilariously overkill to park the army to deal with an “invasion” your average mall cops are better equipped to handle.

huskarl1

Sure, they own all of the relevant charging network for all EV in the USA, they are about to release unsupervised full self drive (software is far superior to any competitor ICE or EV), they have fsd taxis about to hit market, they have EV semis now delivering loads to shipyards. Any one of these is a game changer and no one else is close.

kittysniper101

I think you’re overstating how far the break-even point is unless you’re referring to a very specific location with only coal electricity generation or similar. [The general consensus seems to be less than 60k km.](https://about.bnef.com/blog/no-doubt-about-it-evs-really-are-cleaner-than-gas-cars/#:~:text=Across%20the%20five%20markets%20surveyed,be%20cleaner%20than%20an%20ICE)

Capable_Luck_2817

I’m pretty sure it’s because ICE is running ops on their software. Let’s not laud them for being soulless.

SakaWreath

I’ll go back to driving ICE vehicles before I buy another Tesla. Luckily for me I sold mine in 2023 At a 5k loss. At the time it pissed me off but now I feel lucky. Thankfully almost all of the other automakers have caught up to Tesla and are providing better products.

Vast_Cricket

Huawei basically blocked AT&T land line serice equipment in China early on by clone telephone equipment 100%. China old landline equipment was installed by AT&T from early 20th century on. Then it got into wireless router using Cisco operating system without licensing. Huawei source code was smuggled into China by ex-pat. All Huawei routers had software says Cisco Confidential etc. State deparment did not boot Huawei out of US. Rather Huawei paid a fine settled the lawsuit out of the court. Then iPhone came along. Being produced in China it was able to get drawings, and operating system and acquisition of ZTE and European companies. Huawei phones are ahead of iphone or no worse than iphone. All global wireless equipments are dominated by Huawei and ZTE in terms of innovation, deployment speed and price. As for IC it is a relatively new comer. Many IC design, masking, photolithography companies owned by the Japanese and Korean companies have relocated to China for sometime. Wafer manufacturing talents have been siphoned from Taiwanese with many operations already located in China. Some of the advanced equiments unable to get from US today can be shipped from Europe or from a 3rd country. Multiple AI Chinese experts and scholars some were deported by ICE recently already found positions working jointly on advanced AI development. It is not a matter of how rather when their maturity in technology will be dominaing. Just think solar, eV development all originated from US look at the market share US has. Whether it is Huawei or another Chinese govt backed company is insignificant.

Ronin3993

I don't know man, when visiting tourists with valid travel visas get snatched up by ICE it makes the countries issue a travel warning. 

hereforthetearex

Not to seem pedantic, but ICE has already demonstrated that illegality or even unconstitutionalism, are things that deter them from carrying out EOs. Which I guess is the point of putting people in those positions that are morally bankrupt and only care about the ability to wield power over others.

NearABE

How do the Saudis profit from Tesla? They make more off of ICE cars using gasoline. In second thought maybe the Saudis benefit if shitty electric cars are too expensive.

ManyFun7360

I am reading all of these responses and no one has touched on it yet. Tesla's stock price is not based upon its cars. It is not a car company in the sense that Ford and GM are car companies. It is a data collection, technology, and battery company, with a focus on how AI can help make these thing for efficient for driving. They have collected more data on autonomous driving then everyone else combined and then some. Elon is not the smoothest pound of butter we have ever seen, but gosh darn it his company is in an excellent position for the coming transition to AI and Driving. That is why the price is where it is. Nothing to do with how many cars he sells. In fact, the number of cars he sells is not relevant to the stock price. It is disingenuous to blindly hate Elon for his political views while at the same time push to get away from Fossil Fuels. We need as much data on electric vehicles going forward to get away from ICE vehicles and at the moment, there is not a better electric vehicle than Tesla. Full disclosure: I do not own a Tesla. I do not own any Tesla stock. I do not support Elon Musk. I am just an unbiased observer.

Lost-Panda-68

This is ICE enforcing this? Well, I assume that regulating transportation is entirely outside their duties and very illegal. But does anyone know if they even a fig leaf of jurisdiction here?

meshreplacer

From the details ICE checkpoints will randomly divert trucks to do an English language verification on the driver. If the driver fails the Truck is impounded until the business pays a fine to release it.

SmoothConfection1115

Well maybe farmers can finally learn the skill of hind-sight, or self-reflection. Because when Trump came in to office at 2016, he did the exact same thing. ICE stepped up its raids, his tariffs kicked off a trade war, and farmers lost markets and deals in China. It hurt several of them, and they had to be bailed out. Then in 2025, same thing, except ICE is much more aggressive, the tariffs are random and nonsensical, and the farmers are feeling the crunch. They already knew what to expect, Trump told them what he’d do, they experienced what he did years earlier, and they still voted for it. Well, at least they’ll be able to sell their farms more easily on that farm selling app JD Vance allegedly had a stake in.

Sweaty_Platypus69

El Salvador accepting new Americans to have long term vacation... just report yourself to ICE and you are set for life!

No_Succotash_9967

No, but they wish they were. They have a declining ICE business that they have to prop up, while attempting to transition to an EV company. Tesla doesn’t have that burden.

HouseGrouse

Bears openly hope for the collapse of the American economy. Let’s send ICE after these mofos

JohnPaulDavyJones

Absolutely. They may not continue to be a thing for very long, since they're pretty new and have come under a lot of scrutiny in recent months for what ICE/DHS *really* has the executive authority to do under those warrants. Everyone agrees that ICE has been leaning pretty hard against the accepted boundaries, potentially just to see how the judiciary responds.

EddiewithHeartofGold

Ford is in the declining ICE business. Tesla is in the ascending EV business. If Ford gets a low price, high volume EV out the door, then maybe the stock price will rise. Right now they are on the wrong side of automotive future. It's only difficult to understand if you are biased.

AemAer

One thing that’s overlooked is manufacturing operation location diversification. I know it sounds like gibberish but all the mechanical components are sourced from factories all over. Now imagine instead of an ICE and related mechanical components and instead it’s a battery pack and some electric motors. Tesla is uniquely poised under tariffs to finally be affordable (compared to everything else). Too bad he killed his company’s reputation and is basically years behind being competitive again.

FlaccidEggroll

yo hold that bag a little longer. This mf gonna moon when they report. Peter Thiel got the whole ICE platoon using palantir and they keep securing big cock contracts in Europe

potatopancakes1010

They focus on those making $200k, cause they will now be at poverty level. So Trump's ICE force will now do no knock invasions and deport all those that bitch.

utitses

call ICE

Commercial_Ad_9171

How do tariffs increase jobs? Please explain. Cause everything I’ve been seeing and reading is lost jobs; lost jobs at ports as no ships are coming in. Lost jobs in trucking as no containers to transport. Lost jobs in retail as no goods are coming in. This is all happening right now. The numbers will eventually catch up with the anecdotal evidence. And the on again/off again tariffs haven’t even really started in full.  What jobs are actually increasing my friend? ICE jobs? Oh, Apple is moving its iPhone assembly factories from China to India. You must mean the tariffs are creating jobs in India.  No new trade deals are being achieved between the US and anybody else. If anything, existing US trade deals are being slashed and burned. The rest of the world is negotiating trade deals around us.  The US is proving itself to no longer be a trusted trade partner.  And for what? What are we achieving exactly? How much money are we going to rake in from importers who are ultimately the ones who pay the tariffs as of course you’re an intelligent person and you know that, China as an example, doesn’t actually pay the US tariffs because of course the United States has no power to extort money from another nation state. Importers who of course pass the increased cost of those goods on in the price, as any good capitalist will do under such circumstances. 

ballisticbuddha

Cause they know ICE will be on their ass if they do

codesplosion

your puts print. you sell. quietly you rejoice in your port - but you can’t shake that sinking feeling. next day, a knock at the door. it’s ICE. you open the door with dread. silently, they hand you a package. slowly, you unwrap the >! CERVEZA CRISTAL !<

RuairiSpain

The American public has been thoroughly educated (read: programmed) not to question their leaders (read: dictators). Not a bug — a feature of capitalism. Compliance makes you a model citizen. Non-compliance? That’s reserved for the rich and the powerful. For everyone else, stepping out of line means no job, no insurance, no family, no bank account. Speak up, and you were quietly prosecuted. Under Trump, you'll be loudly persecuted — and deported by ICE if they can find a way. Big thanks to Corporate America for their free compliance training, generously funded through a potent mix of mindless entertainment and propaganda posing as news. They've successfully dulled the senses — and any sense — out of the American people. A once-great nation now feels like a low-budget cosplay of a banana republic, starring none other than Mother Russia as executive producer. A Putin pawn on the world stage. Comic relief for the rest of us. This isn’t the Fall of Rome. It's worse. The Emperor isn’t just naked — he’s doing TikTok dances while the kingdom burns. America, led by a court jester who genuinely thinks he’s a king.

miken322

Well I didn’t have “Fascists use ICE as Secret Police” on my 2025 bingo card when I got a skull and a coffee pot tattooed on my knuckles two years ago.

Commercial_Ad_9171

They’re busy filling out ICE job applications. They want to oppress somebody so badly! 

350

ICE *are* the 2A crowd. The 2A crowd are just right wing chuds, always have been.

HipsterOtter

5th way, we're using the money from Tarriffs to fund ICE to get criminals out of our country whether they're legal aliens or not

stfu_Morn

This might surprise you, but the 2A people are ICE or are rooting for them.

Freakishly_Tall

Unless you're ICE or basic economics, then tread all you want. Apparently. Funny how the 2A crowd has gone silent in the face of actual destruction of their (supposedly-) beloved Constitution.

Y0___0Y

Okay so no income tax revenue, that’s 4.5 trillion dollars in lost revenue. No more tax income from illegal immigrants now that the IRS is ratting them out to ICE. That’s $100 billion a year. We’re going to need farm bailouts, that’s hundreds of billions. 4 trillion dollars for tax cuts for the wealthy. $5,000 doge checks. $5,000 maternity checks. How are they going to pay for all this? More debt?

Dave4216

Jensen Huang detained by ICE !?

Outrageous-Hawk4807

The jobs created? The only ones I know of are ICE and detention camps. Every else is either laying off/ cutting back or holding steady. .

DarkVoid42

1. judges are allowed to postpone trials at their discretion. they control the courtroom. 2. see (1). wasting the time of witnesses is up to the judge to decide not anyone else. 3. You have no way of knowing what her bias was, if any. i suspect he would have got sentenced accordingly but she did not want ICE agents interrupting proceedings to depot him on a plane to some other country without completing the legal process. illegal extra judicial extraditions without a warrant are literally illegal at least for now.

SquashRelevant233

> Companies are the ones that pay the tariffs and they just need to ignore it Well, customs hold a corporation's shipments too. A corporation cant ignore the tariff any more than your cousin ordering anything off temu can. The likely scenario is whatever agency responsible for actually charging and collecting tariffs on imports will be given two contradictory instructions from the executive branch and the courts. A similar situation has played out through ICE and so far the executive branch and the ICE agency itself has ignored ~most (albeit not all) court mandates anyway. So it depends on what the agency feels like doing, and given recent past results I'd expect similar actions elsewhere, i.e. tariffs will still be charged despite court orders.

-boatsNhoes

I have been saying this since the initial fall of Tesla in Feb and immediate bounce back up to 250. It coincided with musk announcing new dealerships opening in S.A.. S.A. doesn't disclose any information internationally such as new car registrations etc. therefore for next earning musk can pump the number to say that " there is a strong support of Tesla in s.a. with increasing orders". It will be the s.a. government and investors pushing money into Tesla by buying stock and cooking the books to support the price action by increasing sold numbers in the kingdom. The kicker is, anyone in S.a. that wanted a Tesla already has one by buying it elsewhere and importing it in. The cost of petroleum is also very very very low and the populace loves it's ICE vehicles.

D3kim

arrested judges, deport without due process, take guns away if they deem you a threat, and now can break your home in via ICE just with probable cause. They do what they want

Deerhunter86

Or that anyone flying is scared into thinking they’re being sent to fucking El Salvador? How many times have we heard ICE (or the like) pulling people out of security lines to be detained?

Loga951

Which judge are you talking about? The one that tried to help an illegal immigrant evade ICE officers? Or the judge who was shielding an illegal immigrant gang member recently added to the terrorist list by having him live in his house?

skilliard7

To be clear, she wasn't arrested for making a ruling against ICE, she was arrested because she allegedly helped an undocumented immigrant avoid ICE by directing them away from ICE and to a private exit. So we haven't yet reached the point of arrested judges for making the "wrong" ruling.

AskALettuce

How will the victims get justice if ICE deport him?

HotTruth999

On the contrary. Locking up a few law breaking judges will bring some sanity back to the courts. I have no love for Trump but helping illegals escape from ICE is outrageous. They deserve what they get.

Cannabrius_Rex

Trumps been found guilty of plenty in a court of law. So you’re off to a very bad start right out of the gate. He’s exponentially more criminal than any president. This is a fascist regime unchecked by Congress or the Courts. Fuck the GOP and all of the fascists that voted for this.  I’m done responding to you defending fascism. An administrative warrant is not the same thing as a Judge warrant for arrest. ICE does not have jurisdiction to walk into a state courthouse and start arrest people. Even if they have an actual warrant for someone’s arrest. They routinely arrest people outside of courthouses, the arrest isn’t the issue. It’s the blatant fascist overreach of using some bullshit Trump up charges from an invalid arrest attempt to then arrest a judge over an offense that amounts to a $1,000 fine.  If you’re defending this you would also have defended the Gestapo arresting judges for helping Jews. You little geese can fuck off. 

Nomad6907

I can’t wait until ICE starts going into the wrong houses. Gonna be like the Wild West.

pleydell15

All the more reason to disallow ICE detention in court’s hearing criminal complaints.

taffy_laffy

reported mods to ICE, you're welcome

LongevitySpinach

Kinda iffy on the strategy unless you are basically bearish. As others have said, it's a big drag on portfolio. Maybe find one or two securities that you think will do relatively poorly over the long term and go short those? If you hold LEAPS puts, maybe consider selling weekly or monthly puts against them. (poor man's covered put), the income will at least soften the theta or other losses? Currently running this strategy vs airlines, but for me that's a 3 to 8 month trade, not a permanent hedge. I've been wanting to go short the oil industry as a whole, because ICE vehicle sales peaked in 2017 and peak oil demand is basically here now, but right now oil is at lows not seen since covid. The long, slow demise of oil industry is getting underway. If oil were to recover I would look to LEAPS puts in OIH or USO with the longest duration I could get. Basically, gives a bit of asymetric recession proofing, but not without geopolitical risk. I would also sell short term puts against this to lower cost basis or at least cover theta decay.

JohnPaulDavyJones

Short answer: - Probably not, but there’s an underlying issue that needs to be litigated, because there’s no senior case law for it. Long answer: - There are two types of warrants, judicial/court warrants that have been signed by a judge, and administrative/executive warrants, which have been signed by a senior official with ICE/CBP/DHS (all the same executive vertical). The latter are a relatively new thing, and they operate as an extension of executive authority, so they *don’t* convey the same authority to violate certain protected spaces and rights. The issue at hand is that the courthouse is a place where there are special protections on privacy, which the administrative warrants theoretically don’t convey the ability to operate in. This limitation is still working its way through the appellate process, and will almost certainly be a SC matter that either gets emergency attention or is in the 2026 docket. In this case, the ICE agents were waiting in the hallway outside the courtroom, notably inside the courthouse, to arrest the defendant after a brief hearing on a technical motion. The judge came out to speak to them before adjourning the court, ordered them to go speak to the Executive Judge for that district, whose office is in the building, and then led the intended arrestee out a side door to an elevator with his attorney, where the two men proceeded down to the lobby. The ICE agents speaking with the Executive Judge had a man outside who alerted them when he spotted their intended arrestee exiting the court, and they pursued and arrested him outside the courthouse.  Legally, there’s no question of the ICE agents’ ability to operate outside the courthouse. The issue at hand is whether or not their administrative warrant conveyed to them the authority to operate within the courthouse. If so, then this is a pretty drastic change in the legal understanding of warrants. If not, this is pretty bad for ICE, because they’re going to have a lot of mistrials.  Disclaimer: I’m not a lawyer, I’m a law school dropout and this was conveyed to me from spending a good chunk of Friday afternoon hanging out with our firm’s GC, who was previously an ADA here in Dallas.

No_Fuel_7301

I’m not a fan of ICE but I doubt the argument that she was just letting him use an “alternative exit” will pass the smell test. Apparently it’s never used for defendants and only court officials, I’d be surprised if the charges don’t stick

MmNicecream

My understanding: ICE agents showed up in the middle of a hearing to try to arrest a guy. The judge told them off for only having an administrative warrant, rather than a judicial warrant, and for showing up in the middle of court. She told the agents to go wait in the head judge's office. She then told the guy at the hearing to exit through the jury door and through a private hallway, which ultimately just led into a different public area of the building. That, apparently, is the "obstruction of justice" she did. The guy was arrested outside the building shortly afterwards. I have heard no information regarding whether the guy being arrested is actually an undocumented immigrant or not.

KennethEWolf

Who is buying Teslas? MAGATS love F-150s, ICE. Maybe A MAGAT in Florida. Telsa,s stock price is going to $0.00 The rest of Musk's hype is bs.