NATO

lihoslavl

Whoa, you are finally getting my point! It is true, noone in the West wants nuclear winter, it is true. What also is true that they want those resources for free which means they want Russia to be forced in non-nuclear conflict which drains Russia's resources and allows it to split one more time (aka decolonization shite). I publish wiki sources precisely because they are Western-biased and not neutral as they used to be. The US is constantly involved in some kind of wars / military operations and 0 shit given by everyone. In 2000s people in Russian elites dreamed of united trade and military alliance from Lissabon to Vladivostok. Noone in the West wanted it, of course because in reality all these alliances (NATO, EU) are formed to oppose Russia. This is the real reason.

lihoslavl

I wish this all was the truth, my friend. The reality though is that the West need an external enemy to support NATO infrastructure, to sell weapons and to control the World's resources. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_wars\_involving\_the\_United\_States\_in\_the\_20th\_century](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_20th_century) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_wars\_involving\_the\_United\_States\_in\_the\_21st\_century](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century) The US constantly feeds their war machine and gains oil and other resources for free while pretending to be freedom fighter. All they wanted is to build expensive Olympiads, build palaces and hailed in Europe and Americas as their equals. Internally this war is quite dangerous for Kremlin as too much power is handed to the military and they could overthrow the government if Kremlin is not careful enough, it almost happened when Prigozhin marched on Moscow. Noone here in Moscow is defending Putin against our own army, it is not Yeltsin's times anymore. Moscovites will most likely defend the government from external threat though because if you talk to average Ukrainian, they don't make a difference between the government's decisions and common folk, they hate both equally because they are told so. The same goes for potential NATO soldier, they see us as a horde of barbarians getting ready to invade their migrants-infested resourse poor countries for some reason. I wish no one would care that Russia does, unfortunately, Russia is getting surrounded by NATO military bases potentially with nukes in each of them and former relatives and friends become enemies due to NATO and the US propaganda. It is hard to complain about getting bit by a cornered rat, and Russia is not a rat, but a bear. If you poke bear too much it might stop sucking its paw and suddenly starts rampaging. Hardly the bear's fault.

JoesRealAccount

I think the point here is just to make Russia look better to his base. "Russia helped us get diesel prices down" and then later he will strike a bigger trade deal saying how successful this one is and Russia will become USAs main ally and USA will completely turn against NATO and Ukraine.

lihoslavl

Dude, all the West is still dreaming about is so-called "decolonization" of Russia. To achieve that Russia should be weakened, this is what they do, this is what they always did: if you cannot destroy your opponent by the brute force, weaken them by inner struggles / proxy conflicts. Or don't you remember all the shit that US and NATO did in the past using human rights as casus belli? The incentive for the US is to get rid of all big countries in the World and to take full control of them: first Russia, then China, after that India if they dare to become #2. Every country that becomes #2 is a threat to the US. They did it to Argentina, the UK, the USSR, Japan before, they do it for China and Russia right now. Dude, imagine that Canada launches an alliance with China and starts persecuting English language as inferior and foreign to their culture and start a civil war. How many time will it take for the US to invade? All it took to bring nukes to Cuba (while Yankees already had nukes in Turkey) for Murrica to start threaten nuclear war to the USSR. Zelensky threatened of making nukes. So basically you either a hypocrite or just blind to the facts. \>There is a multitude of evidence to these facts. Are you aware that Ukrainians hold prisoners in illegal jails in Donbass and commited all these things you mentioned? Google Tornado company, for example, they were too brutal even by Ukrainian standards. Azov committed multiple war crimes too, including everything you mentioned plus using people as a human shield and being a literal Nazis. Europe and America wanted ceasefire because they wanted to damage and weaken Russian army, economy and overall internal integrity as far as they can. They did it to the USSR during the cold war by using the same methods: proxy wars, armament race. Now they use it to split Russia in even smaller parts: take away Siberia, Caucasus, etc. If you don't believe me just google: Russia decolonization. Russian leadership wanted only a couple of things from Ukraine: remain either allied to Russia or at least neutral (thus prohibiting Ukraine to enter anti-Russian alliance NATO (don't bullshit me how it is just a defensive alliance)), don't touch the Black Sea fleet and not destroying Russian language and culture and Russian-speakers themselves in Ukraine. They did it all and also worshiped literal Nazi collaborators and SS generals. Russia is still allergic to these things, you know, unlike Ukraine we have some historical memories of that events and the cost we paid for you, the West, to remain free.

hayl4bulb

I've got plenty of DDs on this in this sub. You've got a startup that, 1 year in, has multiple government trial contracts (assumed to be developing currently into multi-year contracts) which will likely be worth millions if full development goes ahead. The leadership team is full of NATO and UK military allumni. They're partnered with oracle and google. Theyve been invited by nvidia to business events. They have their own investment fund for ai defence startups with a dozen companies on board already. Theyve met governmental folk at downing street to discuss ai. With the shift away from Palantir and foreign defence companies, and the heavy investment into ai defence systems, theyre primed for growth, and theyre proving that already with their government trial contracts. Theyll be massive in 5-10 years.

lihoslavl

All right, for starters, lets check chronology. December 2013-January 2014: Maydan backed by the US overthrows legally elected president 2014: first law Rada signs is against Russian language A bus with Berkut is attacked by Maydan activists In Response to Maydan South-East of country starts their own demonstrations in order to support legit president and to oppose language persecution Crimean citizens don't want to be the citizens of second sort and start organizing into militia "Friendship train" to Crimea is opposed by local protesters, loyal to Maydan Nazi law-inforcers try to put Crimea under their control Ukraine threatens to kick out Russian fleet from Sevastopol Crimean militia with support of Russian fleet in a couple days take control over all peninsula, population of Crimea celebrates it as liberation Crimea on Referendum votes for Independence from Ukraine and secedes from them. Ukraine did not care about Crimean citizens at all since 1991, all infrastructure was made by Soviet times. In response for Crimean events, the situation in Donbass (Lugansk and Donetsk regions) started to boil, people wanted either getting rid of oppressive language laws, or getting autonomy / independence. 2 may 2014, Ukrainian counter-protesters burn alive Russian supporters in the House of Labour Unions in Odessa. Killers are still unknown to these days. ATO starts: Ukraine bombs peaceful cities and shoots with lethal weapons at peaceful protesters Strelkov with a tiny group (around 100 people or so) of supporters enters Ukraine and take control over Slovyansk The war breaks loose, Ukraine starts pressuring Slovyansk, Strelkov with a 1000 supporters is forced to retreat to Donetsk. Militias enter military bases and conscript even old T-34 tanks served as monument by that point. Ukraine tries to encircle Donbass and fails, starts to run away Putin and Lukashenko in order to stop the war call for Minsk agreements Cease fire achieved for a time then the war restarts again 2014: Referendums in Donbass to secede from Ukraine 2015 Minsk 2: if implemented, Ukraine becomes a federation and returns all controlled by local militia lands, except Crimea under autonomy and receives control over former Russian-Ukrainian border. Ukraine agrees to all terms Ukraine only really implements ceasefire, refusing to fulfill other points of agreements, especially those about their administrative reforms. By that point (in 2015), the war could be over if Ukraine willed to stop it, unfortunately their army wasn't under central government control and local oligarchs ruled them and they were controlled by the West who wanted the war to continue in a few years, when Ukraine is ready to weaken Russia. 2015-2019 overall quiet on the front, though it is not complete ceasefire: people still die on both sides 2015-2021 Ukraine receives huge military aid from NATO allowing to build massive defensive structures in Donbass and resupply their army 2019 Poroshenko loses elections, Zelensky comes into power 2019 Zelensky fails to control his own army to back off 2019 Zelensky laughs in prime time over Putin's words about implementing Minsk 2 agreements: Zelensky knows it was just a sham 2021 Ukraine launch huge military preparations to enter Donbass. Russia mirrows them, Western media screams that Russia about to attack Ukraine, Ukraine backs off 2022, February Ukraine does it again, starts artillery strikes on Donetsk, mobilizes troops preparing to enter Donbass ignoring previous agreements 2022, 22 February: Ukraine receives the last warning from Russia: Russia finally acknowledges referendums from 2014 and acknowledges Donbass independence. Donbass sends official request for military aid due to Ukrainian agression 2022 24 February: a full scale war starts.

Utilize3372

Why is every tweet a book? "This is the woman who received the Nobel Peace Prize over the Great United States of America, whose Representative, ME, settled eight Wars, and many other things. I know nothing about this woman, and neither does anyone else! In fact, to the best of my knowledge, no one ever heard of her other than the fact that she, very obviously, hates Israel. I don’t know what the woman has done. I settled 8 Wars, with letters being sent from every President and Prime Minister from the countries that I helped to the Norwegian Nobel Committee, and I’m about to settle, or win, two more, Iran and, Russia/Ukraine. They’re both happening at breakneck speed but, forget them, it’s the 8 that I’ve already settled, any one of which, in particular, Pakistan and India, would be far more than necessary to win the Nobel Prize. In actuality, I should have won 8 Nobel Peace Prizes, not just 1. The 8 Wars are:   Cambodia and Thailand Kosovo and Serbia The Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda Pakistan and India Israel and Iran Egypt and Ethiopia Armenia and Azerbaijan Israel and Hamas   Additionally, I stopped Iran from having a Nuclear Weapon, and blowing up the entire Middle East and, ultimately, far beyond! I saved more lives than anyone in History and, as Maria Corina Machado, a truly fine person, stated to the Media when she gave me her Nobel Prize of last year, “Donald Trump settled many Wars, and deserves the Nobel Peace Prize more than any person that has ever received it.” Based on my record of PEACE, a record like no one else has ever achieved, I agree! I got back all of the hostages in Israel, including the final 28, both living and dead, and worked with Hamas to do it — Nobody believed this was possible! I removed the World’s Evil Dictator, Nicolas Maduro, from Venezuela, and am in the process of making Venezuela a rich Democracy. Likewise, with Iran, I stopped them from destroying Israel, the Middle East, and Europe. I am also preventing, on a constant basis, a War between South Korea and North Korea, and Japan and North Korea. Add China and Taiwan, and numerous other hot spots, which have not been involved in Wars, only because of President Donald J. Trump, and the United States of America. I am responsible for having NATO countries increase spending from 2% to 5% of GDP, creating a stronger alliance and defense, another thing that everybody said was impossible to do. I have negotiated the release, and secured the return, of more than 900 political prisoners from multiple countries in Eastern Europe. Additionally, I have brought 196 hostages HOME from captivity, from all over the World, and did it without having paid a ransom, unlike Biden and Obama who would pay Billions of Dollars. On top of it all, I have created a soon to be very prosperous Arctic. Despite all of this, the Nobel Prize was given today to a liberal person who works at the United Nations, who nobody has ever heard of. In all of the Wars that I have settled, I never spoke to the United Nations—they were of no help. The United States of America, represented by me, as your President, should have received the Nobel Peace Prize, but didn’t. This is an indelible stain on Norway, one that will never be forgotten. The Nobel “Peace” Prize has been forever discredited by a handful of Radical Ideologues who are Anti-Democracy, and Enemies of Civilization!"

profprimer

If there were ever any doubt that Trump is in the pocket of Putin, it was just removed. The rest of the NATO members need to redouble their efforts to make themselves independent of the USA.

imrickjamesbioch

Gee, didn’t see this coming… Fake Jesus glazing his daddy putin again! So I guess fuck Ukraine then and any sanctions Murica and our NATO allies had on Russia? So how long will it take the Russian asset to just hand over Ukraine to Russia so his family can build their shitty hotel in Moscow.

lihoslavl

Wikipedia thinks you are wrong, sir: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO\_bombing\_of\_Yugoslavia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia) Oopsies.

Major-Pin5871

None of those were NATO. Sorry. I’m not going to engage a Russian shill.

lihoslavl

All right, dozens of coups in Latin America, two coups in Ukraine, upduction of Venezuela leader, wars in Iraq(two of them), war in Afghanistan, coups in Africa to install NATO-friendly leaders and deposing independent leaders like Sankara, Belgrad, Kosovo, trying to depose Cuban regime dozen times, etc., etc. If you claim into formality that it wasn't NATO, but NATO's members policy, that's just hypocrisy because noone in the world can actually punish NATO's member without fighting the whole NATO. This all is without googling, btw. If googled, you can find much more information.

lihoslavl

Also NATO is not a defensive group, dude. They launched tons of offensive operations.

The1Ski

ICE in the streets, public executions, blatant corruption, anti NATO, pro-dictator, and supporting Russian violent expansion. If you don't think they're going to fuck with elections you're not paying attention.

OKCLD

Yes, but the bet is Trump will pressure Ukraine to back off and it will widen the gap between the US and NATO.

OKCLD

F'ing traitor to the American people and our NATO Allies. Get ready for another bond sale, more realignment and our countries running from the dollar. Absolute idiocy.

fan_tas_tic

What you are giving to Russia is selling out Europe, NATO and all your so-called allies. More income for Russia means more hybrid attacks on our countries in Europe and more terrorist attacks on Ukraine. The orange buffoon is a traitor.

silentsights

I’d like to breakdown this tweet in three parts: 1.) It’s clear bullshit 2.) Even if it were true, you’re telling me Putin is suddenly willing to supply the same NATO nations he wants to destroy, with valuable diesel fuel that his own nation probably desperately needs? 3.) this is sheer desperation from a man who realizes he fucked himself in November.

MrEgusi

You know this is a proxy war between USA (and its NATO vassals) and Russia, right? Ukraine just happened to be the country unlucky enough to have a leader that volunteered his territory as the battlefield that gets decimated.

wolnee

Orange cunt. Do you have any intellignence in the US? Where is CIA, where is fucking pentagon? USA is part of NATO and now are basically funding Russian army

ga643953

Exactly. They fight for survival but when swift code is involved, their payment gets frozen even if they did deliver the oil to China. You can't survive if you have no money to feed their family, which is why they recently ramped up attacks on ships to force the US to the negotiating table rather than just doing it as a middle finger to the POTUS. Saying the gulf states should have planned for it years ago is dumb. Did you see this war coming from miles away going into 2026? I would say no. Same thing with Trump's tariffs and other policies that hurt his allies. US allies, especially the EU didn't expect the US to use USD and trade deficit against them. They also didn't expect Trump to straight up say stuff like he'll pull out of NATO if he wasn't getting Greenland. So what happened afterwards? You start seeing these govenrments in EU realizing they can't rely on the US military and tech stack, so they're now trying to build alternatives themselves. Do you think they would even think about divesting from the US and building their own tech stack if Trump didn't do any of this?

agent00F

No their recent deals involve significant loss of land. Ukraine as it is now it's already a rump state which will quickly collapse without the massive $$ injection which the Europeans are funding right now. The production headline is also true of missiles and drones in general. In fact at this point even Iran is producing more of those than NATO, which is why they're out attriting the US and established escalatory dominance there. As for the economy you only have to look at public sentiment for Putin vs the murican satraps lol.

TheScuderia

It is part of the US/NATO's military doctrine to bomb civilian infrastructure. They call it dual-use infrastructure. Meaning any civilian infrastructure that can also be potentially used by, or aid, the enemies' military is fair game. That includes oil/gas assets, bridges, power grides, sewage, water, you name it.

agent00F

The obvious alternative to the original deal was the destruction of Ukraine which is what's happening now. Nato just needed someone dumb and corrupt enough to accept that, which in fairness is the majority of Western satraps. Russia only had one round of conscription initially, versus Ukraine literally pulling guys off the street for the last couple years. NATO Secretary general himself admitted that Russia has been out producing the entirety of NATO. Most of Europe is already teetering on the edge of recession, swamped by migrants from us wars that nobody can admit to, and being de-industrialized by the US itself to keep the imperial core float. An additional several percent of GDP hit is going to finish them off. VW turning its uncompetitive Auto plants to making tanks is just a sign of the times.

birutis

"scare", also known as replacing the government, at which point it couldn't really be neutral of course, but that would have been the propaganda. I think only Poland spends that much but yes, having such a trigger happy neighbour will make us invest more in defence, rationally. I will agree that Putin is not an idiot, which is why he's not continuing this war to attrit NATO, because that would be completely idiotic as he's attriting himself tenfold, but to achieve his goals in Ukraine.

agent00F

Actually the original goal was to scare Ukraine into neutrality because Putin is rational and believes others are also rational, which failed a few months in. So then the goal became attriting NATO, which is successful given there's basically nothing left (which is why they're desperately spending 5% GDP on military now).

agent00F

Why should Russia stop when it's demilitarizing NATO which is the original goal. But really the larger picture is that this war is in the US national interest; the people dying aren't Americans and the money spent isn't theirs either.

FreeHealthynWealthy

" With EU best interests , After We Leave NATO , cause we Don't Need EU " - SORE LOSERS haven't been Made this Public in Modern History

TripodRedux

Oh, so you think NATO will go to bat for a comedian dictator who doesnt want the war to end? Wow, thats pretty dense! You're CLEARLY not a serious person, much less an intelligent one! Go back to sleep.

TripodRedux

Speaking of dumb argument? How many nuclear warheads does Zelenskyyyyyy have? Zero! How many nuclear warheads does Putin have? 5,654! That should be enough to satisfy your ridiculous assertion Zelenskyyyyyy has any chance of winning; but it won't become you cant grasp reality! Ukraine isn't in NATO and never will, nor does he want the war to end.

dirtydigs74

Because of the lie that a trade deficit = a country being ripped off. If a trade deficit is so unfair, then it begs the question, what the hell is fair about Australia's trade deficit? As for 'not that free of a ride'. I mean, you can't even find one thing other than the PBS. Which is covered by tariffs anyway, and relies on the flawed logic that if the US drug companies made more money, they would lower prices. Come on, you can't possibly be that gullible. Take a look at the things you're repeating, and the source they come from. I grant that European nations aren't meeting their NATO spending obligations. If they didn't like the terms, they shouldn't have agreed to them. The rest of this tariff stuff is pure nonsense. Apparently, Australia is now not doing enough to stop forced labor. It's not even a clever lie.

viperex

How long until it's "Join the war or face an export ban" "Let us use your bases or face an export ban" "Vote our way in the UN, NATO etc or face an export ban" "Stop developing your renewable energy grid or face an export ban" "Let us occupy your land or face an export ban" He already pulled some of this shit with Brazil, Canada and other countries (he practically did it to the whole world with those tariffs). Where will Europe draw the line?

justin19833

Should we start with the definition of subsidy? A subsidy is when a government directly gives money, tax breaks, or some kind of financial assistance to lower someone else's costs. Just because somebody benefits from something, doesn't mean they're being subsidized. Point #1 isn't a subsidy. The U.S. isn't spending over $1 trillion on defense and then handing Europe a bill and paying it for them. The U.S. chooses to maintain a massive military presence around the world because it benefits the U.S. too. Securing trade routes, deterring China and Russia, maintaining military bases, intelligence gathering, protecting American interests and projecting U.S. power globally. Yeah Europe benefits from the U.S. military being there, but so does the United States. Thats why the U.S. has bases and troops all over Europe and other parts of the world. If America stopped doing all of this tomorrow, it wouldn't just hurt Europe, it would also hurt U.S. influence, intelligence, force projection and its strategic position. You can make the argument that some NATO countries haven't contributed enough to their own defense and have relied too much on the U.S. That's a debate about burden sharing. But burden sharing and a subsidy are not the same thing. Benefiting from something the U.S. does for its own strategic interests doesn't magically turn it into a subsidy. If that's the definition we're using, basically every country that benefits from an American policy is being "subsidized" lol.

androk

The EU shouldn't draw down their reserves even for local pricing. They need them in case Russia decides to attack NATO.

tbhmoreadvanced

You all get free military benefits from us - we carry NATO funding, position our troops in your areas as a deterrence, and in general police the free world to Keep you safe

Annoying1978

The trade deficit is not a subsidy.  NATO is not all of Europe.  We put ourselves in Germany, Italy and Poland because we were scared they would adopt communism. It wasn’t done to protect them, but to make sure they didn’t do something we didn’t like.  We don't subsidize European drug prices.  We choose to keep them high because we don't want to regulate them the way European countries have. 

porn_sub_lurker

If you look at this with the framing that Trump wants to destroy the US and our alliances, specifically with NATO, then all of his actions make sense. Don't forget the ongoing threat of a Russian invasion into NATO and don't assume that it's not related. Also, yes, countries have already started to try and decouple from the US, as they should.

tbhmoreadvanced

Copied from one thread down because you’re blind apparently There’s literally dozens of examples, ranging from defense to trade deficits to free R&D 1. ⁠“Defense spending gap. US defense spending is estimated at $1.03 trillion for 2026, roughly 57% of NATO's total, versus $634 billion for all European allies and Canada combined. In 2016 the US share was 72%. Europe's underspending for decades is the core of the "free protection" argument.” 2. ⁠“NATO's 2% target was ignored for a decade. The pledge was made in 2014, yet 2025 was the first time all allies met it, and only after sustained US pressure. At The Hague summit, allies agreed to 5% of GDP by 2035, but Spain renewed its position against the 5% target, while Czechia's 2026 spending could fall below 2%.” 3. ⁠“Nuclear umbrella and forward basing. Tens of thousands of US troops in Germany, Italy, Poland, and elsewhere, plus extended nuclear deterrence, are capabilities Europe would otherwise have to build itself. Ukraine aid is the recent case: the US was the single largest military donor through 2024.” 4. ⁠“Goods trade deficit. The US exported $414 billion in goods to the EU and imported $633 billion, a goods deficit of $219 billion in 2025, after a record $236 billion in 2024. The EU's 10% car tariff versus the old US 2.5% rate, VAT, and regulations like the Digital Services Act are cited as structural barriers.” 5. ⁠“Pharma and tech. Americans pay far higher drug prices than Europeans, which some argue means US consumers fund R&D that Europeans then buy at regulated prices. EU regulators have also levied billions in fines on US tech firms.”

tbhmoreadvanced

There’s literally dozens of examples, ranging from defense to trade deficits to free R&D 1) “**Defense spending gap.** US defense spending is estimated at $1.03 trillion for 2026, roughly 57% of NATO's total, versus $634 billion for all European allies and Canada combined. In 2016 the US share was 72%. Europe's underspending for decades is the core of the "free protection" argument.” 2) “**NATO's 2% target was ignored for a decade.** The pledge was made in 2014, yet 2025 was the first time all allies met it, and only after sustained US pressure. At The Hague summit, allies agreed to 5% of GDP by 2035, but Spain renewed its position against the 5% target, while Czechia's 2026 spending could fall below 2%.” 3) “**Nuclear umbrella and forward basing.** Tens of thousands of US troops in Germany, Italy, Poland, and elsewhere, plus extended nuclear deterrence, are capabilities Europe would otherwise have to build itself. Ukraine aid is the recent case: the US was the single largest military donor through 2024.” 4) “**Goods trade deficit.** The US exported $414 billion in goods to the EU and imported $633 billion, a goods deficit of $219 billion in 2025, after a record $236 billion in 2024. The EU's 10% car tariff versus the old US 2.5% rate, VAT, and regulations like the Digital Services Act are cited as structural barriers.” 5) “**Pharma and tech.** Americans pay far higher drug prices than Europeans, which some argue means US consumers fund R&D that Europeans then buy at regulated prices. EU regulators have also levied billions in fines on US tech firms.”

music_is_gud

Not just US govt, but other NATO partners are having contracts with PLTR..

TasavallanResupentti

So in other words, no US exclusivity but rather EU / NATO / NATO partner exclusivity. Western exclusivity, in effect. And as stated in the article: >“On paper, it has advanced a few important security interests on behalf of the \[Trump\] Administration,” says Taussig of the terms. “But in substance, it's not like the Danes were looking to move out on significant Russian or Chinese military infrastructure projects in the near term.”

ahopye

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vadbv

You were a good read until the hilarious “NATO pushed Putin” propaganda. Putin hates Ukraine, he hates that Ukraine wants to be western like many other Czars hated for russian culture to be westernized. This duality in russian culture exists since 1700, and Stalin hated Ukrainians for the same reason. Because they are the only russian country that is relevant enough to have an impact on Moscow if westernized, and coincidentially the closest to Europe. And also, Putin having this war means zero protests, free permission to murder opposition, and obviously no elections. All of this until he dies a president, which is exactly when the war will finish (what a coincidence isn’t it?).

Spy300

The coalition is forming. >U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON SAYS ON IRAN THAT 'I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF OUR ALLIED NATIONS, OUR FRIENDS IN NATO AND OTHER ARAB STATES … WHO WILL COME TOGETHER TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ REMAINS OPEN' >Reopening Hormuz is "Top Priority": Speaking at the UN General Assembly, Macron stated that reopening the Strait of Hormuz is an absolute priority and formally proposed a multinational naval coalition to restore freedom of navigation and secure energy tanker flows. >UK's PM Burnham Tells Trump: We are ready to play our part in the Middle East

DougS2K

It's really not absurd. What other nation is currently as unpredictable or unreliable as the USA? I don't hear any other allies threatening annexation, starting tariff wars, threating to leave NATO, cutting aid funding, etc.

Spy300

>U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON SAYS ON IRAN THAT 'I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF OUR ALLIED NATIONS, OUR FRIENDS IN NATO AND OTHER ARAB STATES … WHO WILL COME TOGETHER TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ REMAINS OPEN' Watch as it all unfolds

SomePolack

Major escalation coming from Russia all NATO countries been saying it

Backrus

As for wars, we all know who profits the most. Israeli banksters. It's always about money and resetting things. History rant: You know that Russia has had border with NATO since 1999? Putin can yap all he wants, but unless he uses nukes (if they even work, knowing USSR history), Russia is nothing more than a paper tiger, exposed by cheap drones, just like the USA. Regime has to be really weak if they allowed Chinese and NK citizens to start building things in the Far East. Stalin would never allow that. And there shouldn't be any Soviet republics but West sold Poland and others to Stalin and painted him as a good guy even though he invaded Poland 2 weeks after Germany. He was much worse than Hitler. It's baffling that Moscow wasn't cut into 4 parts just like Berlin - it would prevent many problems the world has today.

Not_Sure_68

All true and I agree it's stupid. Now to my point, the world has $365 TRILLION in sovereign debt not counting unfunded liabilities...which in the US alone are $88t on the low end. If you think governments around the world are going to allow their people to rightly pin the blame on their own elected officials you simply don't understand history. WWI and WWII don't happen because xyz random event. They happen when goobermints serially botch things and then need a scapegoat so the torches and pitchfork wielding masses don't come for them. The Europeans are excited about the war in Ukraine and the US federal regime and UK(CIA and MI6) have been obsessed with the middle east...really since the 1950s. It's a little remembered fact that US and UK "intelligence" services overthrew the government of Iran in 1953 and they've been grouchy about it ever since. I don't blame them. Nato pushed Russia into a corner by flipping a bunch of former Soviet block nations into their fold. Putin repeatedly warned them that he wouldn't tolerate NATO missiles dozens of miles from Moscow...nobody cared...least of all the EU. Look at a worldwide debt to gdp chart...it's a roadmap to which nations will soon be beating the war drums. Simple as. It's what goobermints always do...unfortunately. When all else fails...they take you to war. \~ Gerald Celente

Salt_Contract342

NATO is a thing. Plus we wouldn't even without it.

mistervanilla

So, I'm definitely on the pessimist side here. And while I can't speak for all pessimists, I think the main issue for me is that markets just appear completely decoupled from reality right now. I mean - let's take a bit of an inventory. There's a land war going on in Europe that after 4 years seems closer to expanding that settling down that has radically altered the security architecture and government budgets of Europe. US commitment to NATO is enough of a question mark for Russian intelligence services to try and challenge article 5 with a hybrid/plausible denial attack in Europe. The US in the meantime is continuing its slow descend into authoritarianism, burning down the rules-based-international order in the process, has gotten itself stuck in an unwinnable situation it can't afford to lose that has lead to the closure of the straight of Hormuz with no end in sight. Regular people across the developed world are simultaneously facing a housing crisis, energy crisis and cost of living crisis that are creating the conditions for civil unrest and political upheaval all on their own, but nevertheless are further amplified by power hungry billionaires and state actors using massive micro-targeted disinformation campaigns. Now enriched by the next great paradigm shift that is AI which not only allows them to increase the quality and volume of such campaigns massively, but also now makes the party's final command a seeming inevitability (ie, you can no longer trust the evidence of your eyes and ears). That same AI may or may not radically alter the nature of all knowledge work, may or may not lead to massive lay offs, and already is proven to have significant cognitive effects on the humans using it. On top of that, climate change is just about kicking into full gear creating more and more extreme weather events that are only going to get worse. Failing crops and damaged infrastructure are only the beginning, with mass migration and desertification coming next. It's enough to make you forget we only just came out of a major global pandemic that already exposed and cracked the fault lines in modern day society. Basically, everything appears to be going to shit. Yet somehow and miraculously, the markets seem completely unaffected by all this chaos. The pessimist's conclusion then is that markets are no longer an accurate representation of the underlying systems, and instead have become hyper optimized and gamified by entrenched actors whose only purpose is to make line always go up, no matter what. As a result, the line will continue to go up - until reality comes calling and it will go down hard. Because while we can pretend the markets are disconnected from reality, there is an end to that. The main issue is however, that no-one knows when that will be and since the game is rigged by the most powerful people on this planet, it may continue to go on for a very long time still.

Sandvicheater

You just know back in February Trump's advisors, military generals, senators, NATO allies shit the White house cleaning lady all told Trump attacking Iran was a bad idea because Iran will go full Vietcong Taliban style hide in caves and drag the war of attrition out until Orange man is out of office and Iran can make a deal with the next Democratic president.

MeanTimeMeTime

Yeah I agree. They could at best take the Baltics. Here is my standpoint though. From russian perspective it would be impossible to win in Ukraine since they are constantly resupplied by NATO. Therefore NATO is the problem. Perhaps they wait for the US to resume action in the middle east so that the biggest threat is spread thin. Then they attack a Baltic state to test NATO unity. Thus far thier provocations have gone largely ignored. They may also suspect US ambitions to leave NATO. This could lead to an attack in hopes of at least gaining a stronger negotiating postion to ultimately end the war in Ukraine and get NATO to back off. Otherwise it seems they will be overrun.

GreenApocalypse

Plenty of people are boycotting it due to trump's behaviour, especially threatening to invade a NATO ally. Us in the Nordics has a growing disdain of the US. And of course the higher airline prices due to trump's actions doesn't help

Capt_Chickenpox

Sooo, Russia is gonna try to cause an article 5 crisis in NATO, and Taco in chief gets his excuse to cancel the elections. Gonna be a fun few weeks

Data_Over_Dogma

Isolation is the point. Isolation = control. He will need to slowly erode the US and UK/CAN/AUS and NATO relationship to achieve his “my hemisphere” objectives. This guy is copying Orban domestically and Putin internationally He’s fine with a three power system: US/Americas & Greenland, RUS/Europe, China/Asia He will not defend Taiwan the same way he didn’t defend Ukraine. Why South America? Natural Resources and easily purchased leadership Why not Africa? China and Russia influence & MAGA racists These idiots have convinced themselves that world economy is on the brink and global trade is shutting down. The whole savior complex and speech helps to justify any action. This includes not transferring power peacefully. It’ll get worse after they loose the midterms He/They aren’t subtle about it. Dementia Donny isn’t the mastermind, he’s just the cult personality. Europe needs to continue to learn from US mistakes and stop electing far right candidates. You just got rid of Orban. Enjoy it! Someone tell Germany

OK_x86

And risk a war against England and NATO over islands he doesn't give a shit about? He's crazy and senile but that would be insane even for him. That being said he did threaten Canada and Greenland so... Who knows?

SepuMurkula

Because russians decide what he hates. Russians are destroying NATO this way. Ofc Trump is attacking Americas best and dearest allies first: Canada and Denmark. It is russian agenda which russian agent Trump is only fullfilling.

RichSpecific4490

Fair, so he is going all in hoping fucking with NATO draws a very favorable deal for Russia or simply all out war

RichSpecific4490

I get it rallies the country, but they can’t possibly think rallying the country while fucking with NATO is a solid move?

DepartureAnxious5115

Russia has already been testing NATO you will see it move to a grey area conflict before actual war ever sees action IMO. Despite its size Russia is to worn down from the war in Ukraine. It will use Nato to try and rally its people against a common enemy. I would bet your more likely to see attacks on infrastructure like the nord pipe line and under sea cables before you ever see escalation into conflict. Big Vlad has been clear he wants to regain control of the former USSR and his actions say he dosent give AF how he achieves it.

RichSpecific4490

Do you actually think Russia will test NATO in the next few months or is that more noise

Spy300

>U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON SAYS ON IRAN THAT 'I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF OUR ALLIED NATIONS, OUR FRIENDS IN NATO AND OTHER ARAB STATES … WHO WILL COME TOGETHER TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ REMAINS OPEN' >FRENCH PRESIDENT MACRON: REOPENING THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ IS A “PRIORITY”; MULTINATIONAL COALITION TO RESTORE FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION AND SECURE ENERGY FLOWS >UK's PM Burnham Tells Trump: We are ready to play our part in the Middle East. ✅️

marosa53

The speculation in 1929 was beyond reasonable, as was 1999 and 2008. Are we there now? In the narrow segment related to “AI”, most definitely but, the story has not played out yet. The biggest risks that will affect the market are the wars (waiting for NATO to actively begin shooting stuff at Russia or some idiot launches a tactical nuke at somebody), or we run out of money to pay the interest on our national debt.

Subject_Rhubarb_9442

Right concern, wrong mindset: You must ALWAYS manage your portfolio with the view that the markets will crash by 50%, tomorrow. 👀 Sure, there are market circuit breakers, controlled trading stops, the Fed and other central bankers could step in to a crisis and provide emergency liquidity. But a severely stressed 😫 market could easily trend downwards fast over a few weeks to a month. And there's plenty of potential causes (US debt default, Russian attack on NATO countries, a further pandemic worse than the last one, etc). So your only options are a) worry and do nothing, or b) take active steps to do what it takes to fortify/reinforce your portfolio so even if it dropped in value by 50% , you could still sleep well at night (s.w.a.n. portfolio): De-risk. De-leverage. Hyper-diversify. So, get cracking now. I sure as heck am doing all these strategies myself. And I sleep great at night 🌙

elpresidentedeljunta

He´s being nice to Denmark and NATO. And the danish woman is nodding. BULLISH!

SignificanceLate7002

COPENHAGEN, Sept 21 (Reuters) - Denmark, Greenland and the US are to sign a deal on Greenland's security on Tuesday, ​an agreement Denmark says will put Arctic security under NATO's watch rather than leaving it solely to Washington and Copenhagen.

thedosi

Have a theory that Trump is close to announcing a 3-front peace deal/ceasefire - Iran, Houthis/Saudis, Ukraine/Russia... 1) Iran coming to NYC this week for negotiations. Last chance before wiped from map... 2) Trump just halted Houthi strikes yesterday and had to of had a reason (deal) 3) All the current fear/narrative/media around Europe/NATO and Russian escalation is Trump baiting the media when a deal is actually right around the corner. The CIA plane 2 weeks ago was the signal. The increased narrative/fear is how Trump captures the Nobel Peace Prize he's been after all these years..

Wonderful-Savings768

it does. Iceland deal is yuge for US national defense and therefore NATO, especially long term

Own-Cod7894

The general consensus is that Belarus is just laundering Russian potash to sell for them, because Belarus already has sales to other countries for the potash they make themselves. This would make sense if Trump is saying that it will be much cheaper, because Russia can't sell it themselves. Once the US Farmers add shipping costs on, it would probably not really be that much cheaper for them, but will definitely be helping Russia make some cash to keep attacking NATO.

Wonderful-Savings768

The iceland deal is YUGE. It means Russia and Chyna can't bully NATO with rare metals.

Substantial-Fun9958

What's suicidal about it? People forget wars aren't fought on the battlefields. The real war is fought in winning the minds of the people. And all Russia got to do is spray their usual anti-west propaganda, blame NATO for 'instigating' and it's Gaza 2.0 all over again. Back when Ukraine was first invaded, Russia managed to somehow convince a good chunk of the world to side with them instead by twisting it as NATO being the 'threat'. You underestimate the idiocy of people, especially those on that braindead tiktok

AOC_Slater

Buddy, Russia’s 3 day invasion of the Ukraine has been going on for 4 years and they’ve gotten nowhere other than being weaker than they were before they invaded. If you think Russia is going to trigger article 5 and face off against 32 country’s all with the worlds strongest military’s who have all agreed to have interconnected communications, weapons systems and munitions you are beyond delusional. I’d love to know what alternative media you’re consuming that lead you to believe Russia is about to face off with NATO seeing as my MSM isn’t talking about it.

Substantial-Fun9958

No, their stalement with Ukraine is exactly why Putin needs to branch out to the rest of Europe. Ukraine is refusing to give up any territory no matter what and you know Putin would never give up now to retreat since it would taint his reputation and popularity in Russia. The only option now is to expand further. One benefit to this is that if they can disrupt Europe, they can also cut off Ukraine's final source of aid, which allows them to better take over Ukraine even if they ultimately get defeated by NATO elsewhere. However I could see Russia not partaking in a direct war since it'd be bad for their global reputation (even they can't psycho idiots on social media that it's still a 'defensive war' if they expand). They might instead use a third party paramiliary to wage a prolonged incursionary war instead, thus they can pretend they aren't responsible and if NATO does attack them directly, they can claim they didn't start any conflict unprovoked. This sounds like that CoD MW storyline but I could see it working. That's what they did with Crimea after all

Bazzer82

Russia already has a lot on its plate with Ukraine. I doubt they want to get into a hot war with NATO at the moment. 

Substantial-Fun9958

What stocks should I buy in the event of a NATO-Russia war? I highly highly foresee a war erupting very soon, likely some time after Russia's partliamentary elections. What's the best stock to take advantage of this catastrophe? I can only think of military stocks like Rheinmetall[](https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/?f=flair_name%3A%22Discussion%22)

VulcanSpark

NATO aviation has shown unusually intense activity along Russia’s western borders and around Kaliningrad over the past four days, is this good for crypto or AI or Diesel?

Responsible-Base393

Ok when the doc comes out and states Expanded and more permanent military rights. Explicit ban on non NATO countries/adversaries Greenland as an included party. Think back to this and imagine yourself sucking dick.

niaqr

Remember back when we bombed sarajevo with the rest of NATO? good times

MericanAtlas

Those bombers were sent to a NATO event and they've been spotted over Germany.

bluen

Russia about to pull a Germany and blitzkrieg all NATO countries

annonimity2

So we agree then. The days where Europe was still reeling from ww2 and could not defend against the expansionist soviet union are over. The US should remove most if not all bases from foreign nations, and adopt a policy of collaborative force projection in conjuction with other NATO and NATO aligned nations rather than trying to build a military capable of taking on the world solo. I don't care what happens with the defense contractors, if Europe starts making their own weapons, fine by me, the industry desperately needs more competition.

Njorls_Saga

Article V has been invoked once in NATO’s history. I’m going to give you three guesses as to who invoked it. And NATO allies regularly train at US bases. We’re not 40 trillion in debt from power projection LMAO

Samuelpo

Are you the same person who called me a toddler? lol you can’t have a conversation without showing signs of intellectual immaturity and the desperate need to name-call. It’s very unbecoming of a rational adult. Nothing is free. You’re right. Why would our relationships with Europeans nations depend so heavily on our protection? Fund your own weak ass militaries. You’re soft, and I mean that in a nice way. You’re so reliant on the US. You’re definitely Western European. Having weapons and troops comes from our own at-home military budget. Not the NATO budget. But I’m sure you can’t comprehend that. We would still have the strongest military even if we pulled out of Europe. We would still have strong trade. Americas too 3 trade partners are Mexico, Canada, and china. Which they heavily rely upon the trade as well as the US. That’s not changing anytime soon. Now call me something derogatory, and insult my intelligence and call me a dumb American, it hurts my feelings! Lol

Samuelpo

Typical assumption that I’m a trump supporter, I don’t like trump.. funny for you to assume I do. I also don’t like being everywhere in Europe at the expense of the American taxpayer. NATO is essentially the United States with a bunch of moochers so we should also end that while we’re at it. US contributes $845 billion to nato, all the other countries combined contribute $559 billion. US needs to focus on the US. Hell you Europeans don’t even like us being there anyway.. fend for yourselves. So downvote me and move on and you can keep your little box of crayons I got my own, bud. lol

Well_endowed

This is so Russia can start attacking NATO members.

Significant-Base6893

Actually 77 years, as Greenland is part of Norway which is a NATO member. It has always been under US and NATO protection. All the Donald is doing is taking credit for something that has already been in place. If he wants to patrol it more to soothe his fragile ego, fine, but those patrols stretch US military resources thinner, and they do have a hard cost in fuel and additional assets. But then Donny has never been good at finance or economics as evidenced by him bankrupting multiple casinos, an airline, and abandoned projects. And now he's busy bankrupting America and Americans with his crazy spending on a needless war and inept tariff policies.

Responsible-Base393

Why would you say there are no changes when there are? Formal deal not announced but all countries and NATO have said there is an agreement. They all aren’t agreeing formally to nothing new.

watching_whatever

What sources and does it have to be renewed by Denmark parliament? Even if true, you still should not do the deal with Trump and probably not the USA. Do NATO Europe instead.

GoMineBitBoss

So absolutely no non-NATO countries would ever be allowed a base there anyway, Donnie — so that’s another non-existent achievement 🤔 And the rest of these “achievements” were already there before as well. So bravo, Trump 👏 — nothing new has been achieved by you.

Fun-Metal-6861

Can’t anyone see this is the talk of a madman? People will just brush this off as that is just Donald and he always does crazy stuff like this. This is a hostile act towards a NATO protected nation. We are threatening their sovereignty. Where will this end? He has shown that there is no money enough to quench his thirst for it. Power is also no different for him. He won’t stop on his own. It is either death or removal that will end this situation. If we take on the world, more than just his life will be at stake.

debackerl

So he just committed to NATO's objective ? At first he will say that he sees no point in NATO, then copy and paste, sign new agreement, and comes 'hey look, this time I love it, because it's my signature!' 😂

agentSmartass

He just discovered something called NATO.

diefy7321

This agreement is valid if NATO doesn’t exist, different than the 1951 agreement

Samjabr

Go read the deal, tard. Unlimited access to put bases there. No Non-NATO countries are allowed to use the land.

SignificanceLate7002

It's the same deal they signed in 1951. The only change is that they added an official provision that blocks any non-NATO country from having a military presence there. That wouldn't happen anyway as long as Greenland was part of NATO.

Blacksmith_Several

Did he learn about NATO then?

diefy7321

Lmfao reread article 5 retard. Nothing in NATO states a country has to commit to war LMAO

spendology

Time for Sesame Street. The COUNT! 1...2...3...4...5...ARTICLE 5 of NATO. Comrade mango can't pull out of that!

Ok-Connection-9114

Sooooo.....NATO?