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Also I never thought America attacking NATO would even be uttered, let alone driven by the president. So my bad on not seeing that coming 😂
Nobody is threatening to annex allies, you're being absurd. You think the Iraq war (a NATO operation) has damaged the reputation of the united states so badly that the world views us as unreliable? Thats wild, and you have literally nothing to point at in our actual dealings with other nations to prove that. 08... the housing crash? That we've long since recovered from, with trillions of dollars of international investment pouring into the US economy? Libération day? Reciprocal tariffs? You mean renegotiating trade deals with conditions that are more favorable? I actually want to hear how incentivizing investment inside of America is going to make America a less attractive and less reliable economy to trade with.
Man I took 2.5k to 12.5k in 4 months. All gone earlier this month off him threatening to go to war with NATO right after a bought a two week option for this first time. So exhausted waking up at 6am to him talking nonesense, i took my last 3.5 today and placed 685 put expecting it to be all gone tomorrow
this is not at all how EU/NATO states take these threats though.
It's a long-term play. Ukraine-Russia still ongoing, US soft-pullout of NATO is going to leave the EU hanging if they don't spend that 5% of GDP on defence. The EU is rearming and we're only in the first year of 🥭 term. I have a sizeable position in euro defence stonks. This shit is far from over.
I'm more worried what will happen with my CZG (Czech owner of Colt) stocks when we (non retarded part of NATO) will get into war with US (senile dementia part of NATO).
I’ve always voted against him but what you said isn’t necessarily true. He said he’d deport but never said it would be like this. He also ran on less international intervention and “nation building” - that was a lie. He ran on releasing the Epstein files - another lie - he’s doing everything in his power to hide them. He ran on ending the Ukraine war - another lie/failure - he’s helped Russia more than Ukraine (non MAGA-tards all saw this coming). He also never said he’d pull out of the WHO, kill US-AID, defund cancer research, weaken NATO considerably, try to overtake nations - and the list goes on. All but the MAGA voters know this was going to be really bad, but it way worse than most Trump haters expected.
The US wouldn't allow the Soviets in Cuba, and Russia won't allow NATO in Ukraine. NATO is providing targeting and missiles to hit Russia directly. This is a more direct confrontation than anything that happened during the Cold War.
Dump TRUMP ! TRUMP OUT! So much chaos in little time! What’s wrong with the man! accusing NATO and the Brits for not going to Afganistan should be enough to oust him! A radical egoist bully with power and money
None of us want to see Americans executed for no apparent reason. But it’s a submissive breed of bootlicker who complains they don’t want to know the truth their vote and ideology has wrought on a once-great and rapidly diminishing nation. Trump policies are reducing American strength and reputation on every available valence. The dipshit attitude toward Greenland, Canada, Denmark and NATO are reducing our leadership role, bond security and trade stewardship. The tariffs are alienating our allies and reducing trust in our economy which affects bonds and equities, all of which has deleterious consequences for the market. Foundationless unilateral invasion of foreign countries and threats to the global alliances provide excuses to China to invade Taiwan, which will implode global technology advances. Masked death squads executing citizens in our streets does not provide a positive example to oppressive dictatorships around the world. All of it is bad for the national and international economy. Which affects your GameStop stock. This is a forum for that information.
Why didn't Russia pull all their assets before starting a war? Russia is a greater fool here and likely wont exist if the war goes on for another few years. Some may think its good for the US, no more NATO expenses but NATO ain't going anywhere.
The whole point was to undermine NATO more and more… and eventually destroy it. Just like 🥭 ‘s boss, Putin wants.
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To clarify the latest TACO event and the deal made a few days ago in lieu of the President putting 10% tariffs on the EU over the resistance to the US takeover of Greenland: the existence of the 1951 security agreement with Denmark, negotiated by President Truman, already gives access to the US to establish military bases in Greenland; and we have had a dozen military installations there for many years. Therefore, I don't see the necessity of riling our European allies over the issue. Nevertheless, the trade crisis has passed as Trump backed off on the tariffs; but that leaves a massive amount of distrust wedged between America and our allies which weakens NATO. The new deal is a fake deal done to stop the markets from crashing. The real threat to national security coming from the Arctic region is the fact that the US only has 5 ice-breaking ships stationed in Greenland & Alaska compared to 55 Russian ice-breakers. Not to mention, who wants to assume Greenland's 57k population which would become a burden on our social security and medicare system? Why not let socialist Denmark keep that liability? That's the way I see the Greenland issue.
Top artillery round supplier to ukraine, makes most ammo with NATO calibers (Also makes soviet era calibers), has production in several countries etc... Has also strong poltical support and steady order book. I just cant think a way that this stock to be around 30€.
You're an imbecile. Explain the further tariffs on NATO allies because he can't have Greenland. The guy is a cunt, full stop.
Denmark is a founding member of NATO, so?
Fucking hell friend, but this is eye-opening. You are so totally isolated and misinformed about the rest of the world from the warped US media optics. Venezuela. A higher number people supported him there than your country supports Trump. Yet you just went into another country, abducted their leader, then hold him in the US till he has a delayed poxy trial and has lost all political power, even if he gets released. It's one thing to get rid of the bad eggs, it's another to just empower Russia's legitimacy into annexing Ukrainian territory for other similarly batshit excuses. Might have something to do with all that oil. Russia is economically struggling in a war with a historically very poor, non-EU, non-NATO European country that was conditionally demilitarised and denuclearised in the fall of the Soviet Union (after the US and USSR's Cold War) by the US (+UK) and Russia in exchange for independence from the USSR. They then wanted more economic involvement with the EU and discussions on NATO (both the US economic and militaristic hegemon). One of their guarantors attacked them for this, the other bitched about the cost of wars in Europe, emboldened the aggressor, attempted to humiliate a wartime president, *extort them for minerals*, tell them to concede the land and spent most of their time just trying to exit any responsibility. The EU (or the US) entering Ukraine is dragging all of NATO and potentially other colonial allies into a war against a country whose only real threat to Europe is an immense nuclear arsenal and an autocrat. The troops sent to Greenland were to take part in a military game, something that happens every year. Symbolic at best. US declined to take part this year, surprising no-one. Russia and China are the US's propaganda boogeymen to keep you all on your toes and let you funnel in some much of your tax dollars into the military complex. Pinned as existential threats to your existence as the hegemon, the delusional paranoia does not exist outside the US. They aren't trying to take Greenland. Doing so will initiate a response from all of NATO. If the US is scary enough for them, the second scariest opposition on the planet is NATO sans-US. The Dane's aren't stopping the US from stationing as many troops as they want there, but they only really peaked at about 150 in recent decades, because it's not fucking necessary. Surprising no-one, this is once again about wanting oil and minerals without those pesky Danes shooting American corporations down for their constant environmental violations. Stop being a fucking idiot and listening to the rhetoric of the man who can't even remember the name of the country that he wants to take the second he starts going off script and rambling to an international political convention like it's a Trump rally, or sends demented letters to the fucking Norwegian president about taking Greenland because the independent Nobel Committee didn't award him a Nobel Peace Prize (largely ignored because he has ICE acting like the fucking Nazi's did in Germany before WWII). Too many Americans forget how much their country's strength prospers from it being the centre of an international economic system derived from Bretton Woods, yet are oblivious to how much they are destroying the faith in that system to those who make it the "global" currency that it is.
He got rolled by NATO. That’s why he’s pissed. Framework is nonsense
Just listen to Carney's Davos speach. We are done with the US. Go murder your own citzens in the streets. The US is a criminal mafia state, no better than Russia now. Don't care about tarriffs, Canada will survive. We are a member of NATO and a Common Wealth Nation. We are not alone.
We just saw what happened when a NATO member was threatened with invasion. Article 5 would be invoked.
US is no longer participating, they merely sell their weapons to NATO to give to Ukraine. Probably way overpriced too.
We need to keep daddy ( as the secretary of NATO calls Trump) happy. Every company will give some crappy low end hardware production to intel so daddy is happy with this make America great.
WHY is nobody talking about this like the blatant gift to Putin it really is? He's been trying to destroy NATO ever since his 1987 trip to Moscow, after which he took out a full page ad about wanting to stop it. None of us are dumb enough to think that he knew anything about NATO before this trip, are we? Follow the money. Russia, Russia. Russia.
long past the time to accept that civil war has been declared -- time for the states to secede -- make their own alliances, ask for protective military assistance from NATO and UN -- the US has been seized by a hostile foreign power -- we are all Palestinians now . . .
The NATO one imo is to new and fresh,prob not even in the works. But to say we have made no trade deal 1 year in with any country is shallow thinking.
What real beneficial trade deal has actually happened? Please use the foreign countries official statements when you give examples, because every post from Donald Trump about his trade deals is just lies. He said a couple days ago that he made a “great” deal with NATO regarding Greenland. No one in NATO, Denmark or Greenland have any clue what he’s talking about.
How many countries has the CCP bombed or gotten in occupation with since the end of WWII/NATO? How many nato allies have they been in conflict with China? Ask yourself if any of that is related? What happens when china takes over Taiwan and America doesn’t have access to chips for computers (TSMC/nvidia), missiles and fighter jets? It’s really not complicated if you can think this through.
Europe should leave NATO reach a middle point with Rusia and Ukraine and reinstate the nordstream for Germany to restart their industry. Promote the trade with China and Russia and stop seeing us as an ally.
And you’re again assuming you’re the one knows what truly happened. I didn’t make up a fake problem — even if Trump wasn’t truly planning to take Greenland he still caused very real problems. Another thing to consider: the governments that reacted to his claims in a serious manner are privy to a lot more information than you or I have. Hell, Trump’s own Secretary of State spearheaded a motion to ensure a president couldn’t unilaterally withdraw from NATO and his own Congress took his threats seriously enough to send an envoy to Denmark.
We’re in NATO and that actually means something to us.
Going to make it more likely to happen and Canada could cut off energy or make it more expensive. Doubt he is dumb enough to pull a Venezuela on a NATO partner but then you see him walking with penguins in Greenland which he often calls ICE land. Perhaps I stand corrected as to being dumb enough
If Minnesota secedes from the union and joins Canada, is NATO cooked?
I think its worth discussion. American's will not believe this, but you have to look at the facts. Some big European pension funds are selling, the retail investors have not only started moving funds out of the US but are boycotting the actual products. Trump is strangling the US economy. There's threats of the EU pulling the nuclear finance bomb on the US if they continue to threaten the EU and NATO. That's before you get into the fact that the entire of the US stock is propped up by an AI bubble. If you want any indicator of how strong the anti-US sentiment is right now, just look at the German FA tabling the idea of boycott the World Cup. I can't stress enough that Europeans boycotting a world cup would take a LOT to even discuss. I'm not suggesting people en masse dump US stock tomorrow. But I think we're way past the point of laughing off the idea that its a riskier proposition than its ever been. Just put it all in the S&P and it will definitely go up over X amount of years I think is about to stop being true. If the US follow the trajectory they are on, they will lose all the things that allows the S&P to be so strong. Attacking your allies is a monumentally idiotic idea. If you attack your allies, what do you think your enemies are doing. Then we also have to factor they're a bad day away from a civil war, another ICE shooting today. How many deaths before they fight back? The US is too risky for me, I moved to the EU/UK a while ago. Ethically I also think its the right thing to do, I don't want my money funding the US.
At this point we'll get a really good look how corrupt SCOTUS has become when they finally rule on Trump's use of tariffs tied to IEEPA. He's now threatened European countries with more tariffs if they don't let him steal Greenland from a NATO country, and with Canada because they made a trade deal he doesn't like. Only pure corruption would lead the SCOTUS to rule that these uses of tariffs fall under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. 🍿
Best protection against toxins in consumer products and food. Best labour laws. Best environmental laws. Best data protection laws. Best consumer protection laws. Best access to quality healthcare. Best protection of human dignity. Lowest rich/poor divide. Best animal protection laws. Best in taking care of the weak in society and lifting them up to stop our countries from becoming dystopian tapestries of walled gardens and homeless shelters. Should I keep going? Yes, we need to organise and expand our militaries and act better as a unit, but NATO literally just died this year so give it a little time. This does not make Europe 'a pathetic failure of a nation'. Give me a break. You just sound kinda scared tbh and I do understand that. These are scary times.
That would be incredible. They’d be a part of NATO for self defense. CA is the world’s 4th largest economy. If blue states, at least the ones near the border, joined Canada, they would instantly become the world’s 3rd largest, behind only China, with nearly $10T in GDP
Thing is we should’ve been doing this a long time ago. It’s en route now, but it’s like preparing for winter after seeking the first snowflake fall from the sky. NATO was supposed to be our agreement with dealing with threats but even that was barely being maintained and the cracks only got exposed when russia decided to press. Trump had to force several countries to increase their nato contribution. It just seems like everything we’ve done so far has been nothing more than just for display. We’re united under the EU by display, while each country only cares about themselves, we’re protected under NATO by display, while each country barely contributed
As a europoor I have to admit Europe is the most pathetic failure of a nation it’s insane. The EU is a circle of countries who each think they’re the best member in the group and secretly despise the other members. They have no strong allies outside of their circle and have been dependant on US partnership for so long they’re finally starting to realise how fucked they might be. We jerk each other off under the guise of unity with NATO and the EU, but we’re really just the nerds in the cafeteria who sit together to not get bullied by everyone else
I fail to see how what I am saying is wrong… Their population is overwhelmingly within 100 miles of the US border. Their exports overwhelmingly come to the US. They are tied to us through NATO. Unless Canada decides to completely upend itself economically, politically, and militarily, it cannot abandon the US Sphere of Influence 🤷🏻♂️
This is a bit extreme … and I say as someone who’s happy to see the end of the US as a country. US soldiers would be treated with respect. They are highly honourable and frankly the strongest line between a country that gave a madman nukes and a civilization ending event. No POW’s. If anything, the US military is morally more aligned with NATO than with a cowardly billionaire pedophile and his disgusting friends. Event a moment’s hesitation by US leaders to do something stupid could be one of the most important decisions in history. But economic subordination of the US would be aggressive. US hegemony has ended in a moral sense. The economic pillar will be next. Then withdrawal of the American empire.
If America does that they’re in a war they can’t win with 31 nations. This tweet from Malcolm Nance I saw someone posted the other day sums it up well: “CONSEQUENCES FOR DUMBASSES: You are an F'ing idiot. If we invade Greenland we go to war with 31 nations. NATO stays together but without us. Its HQ is in Brussels, not the Pentagon. Our global reach across the Atlantic will end with our closest refueling base in Israel or Egypt. 100,000 American soldiers will be forced to board civil airliners and sent home or be taken as POWs/Detainee sWITHOUT WEAPONS OR EQUIPMENT. Canada will close its airspace and sea space. US Ballistic Missile Defense at Pettufik and Fylingdales ENDS, which means we see nothing except what space sensors can see. US Intelligence is reduced to Fort Meade, Ft Gordon and Colorado Springs and Hawaii. CIA spies will be rolled up by their former friends in HOURS. NO ONE WILL SHARE ANYTHING WITH US. ALL GLOBAL SHIPPING WILL BE CLOSED TO US. Denmark operates the largest shipping company in the world. SIX OUT OF TEN global shipping companies are in Europe ... Worlds Biggest container ships? DENMARK! Australia, NZ, Canada are Commonwealth so they will cut ties with us or be neutral too. PS Denmark & locals tun all life support and generators at Pittufik and Canada resupplies it ... all 150 US Spece force personnel would become POWs to guys on sleds. FYI They have troops there now and 35,000 Caribou hunting rifles. FYI France and UK have nukes. Hundreds of them so you cannot intimidate them with that. Oh and they collapse the US economy by sanctioning us and selling off 2.3 Trillion in US treasuries simultaneously. Also no Botox, Ozempic or insulin. Its made in Denmark. Ya fucking dope”
The takeaway from Carney's speech shouldn't be "invest in Canada", but "invest in national defense stock". Middle powers, especially NATO allies, have to pony up more money for their war machine, and can't rely on foreign suppliers. "If you cannot fuel, feed or defend yourself..." Yeah, world's become messy. Adapt, don't mourn.
Uhm europe been there for the US in every fking war you have started and yet you somehow question it??? What? Why wudnt we send troops to greenland? Its EU territory… is ukraine EU territory? Is it NATO?? No…. Barely any EU countries buy russian oil anymore, and those that do is a very limited amount until 27-28
China is going to do what Chinas going to do China wont get a foothold in NA. the battleground will be SA & EU. If Europe throws in with China, The US will walk from NATO and the EU is dependent on Nat Gas. Russia will dick them over and they cant restart their nukes up fast enough. All of a sudden Ukraine will get memory holed.
NATO invoked Article 5 collectively. There were more Jihadist attacks before and after in Europe, by orders of magnitude. But Europe is simply [incapable](https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/europe-uk-peacekeeping-troops-ukraine-6tp2cfgg5) of projecting any force without American political backing. >we don't have gas [You](https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/20/russias-quiet-war-against-european-fracking/) don't [say](https://x.com/BarronTNews_/status/1896530271031394414).
Wtf is wrong with this rhetoric of your buffoon president "will you be there for us?" US is the only nation of NATO that ever invoked article 5, and thousands of Europeans have died for your stupid wars. You probably don't realize this, but your clown president has managed in one year to erode 80 years of soft power of the US, just to make some of his friends richer. And instead of being furious at him, you say that Europe should "get real". We are getting real, unfortunately we don't have gas and we have to buy from you, but we cannot rely on you the same way we cannot rely on Russia. And it's even worse, since we were supposed to be allies
Why would America re-evaluate the security partnership with EU and NATO? Any sane actor is going to say that the US is safer with these partners than not, that’s why Trump tucked tail and folded on Greenland. The iron dome will never get built and certainly not in Trumps lifetime he basically made sure of that in the last two weeks.
Risky play regard, all drone stocks have been diving after NATO framework of a deal was made LOL, plus big earning weeks coming people start rotating money into MAG7 and other big caps.
\- When did Trump started with to annex Greenland and threatened with 10% tariff? \- NATO stayed a little back in the frontline in Afghanistan? \- Threatened France with 200% tariff because they snubbed to join Bored of Peace. \- Withdraw Canada application to join the Bored of Peace? \- Fully withdraw from WHO.
Well I believe that's what NATO secretary general is calling Trump, daddy:) I got hurt enough in last 2 years so I can do without Trump
🥭 is going to shit on NATO very soon. Triggering Article 5 to protect US southern border.
No, I told you, ;) Even with Orange buffon destroying NATO, you can't fight the printer! It was the same thing in march, april 2020, JPOW always wins!
Pretty sure orange man bad got benefits out of this...the EU has certainly NOT given him the middle finger wouldn't put it past him leaving NATO and Europe and the US would not be better for it. The US will be upgrading bases, do mineral exploration and get land for other purposes.... doesn't sound like a loss.
If they dump assets you won't have the capital to pay the army. 2 trillion and economic blockade is no joke. NATO excluding the US is a larger population, same size economically and collectively has a modern professional army. They chose to work with the US out of cooperation on common interests. If that doesn't exist then the US is irrelevant.
What are you talking about dude? You are just saying things, there is nothing to argue about you are just wrong if you think what he did in Venezuela is even close to ok. And he fucking lost with his "negotiation" for Greenland. Greenland is in NATO and a vassal to the American government already, he could have just put his bases there all he wants without threatening to fucking take it from Denmark. That's the point of NATO, America can do whatever it wants in exchange for having the EU think they have any power. It's been that way for seventy years now.
I would avoid US defrnse stocks that have large international sales. For example, if NATO and the US part ways, I wouldnt expect Lockheed to sell any more F35s to those countries, nor any future aircraft.
So, the bear case is that Trump will stop throwing a new set of tarifs around every 6 weeks, stop with launching bombing campaigns and military incusions against countries he dislikes, and stop tearing apart NATO. Presumably, in this scenario he also releases the Epstein file, which exonerate him completely. It seems like the Bear case then, is Trump stops being Trump. I don't see it.
NATO is not dead, at most it continues without the USA..
US should just pull out of NATO. Bunch of freeloaders.
Big whoop...those bonds have already been bought up...look at euro to usd...barely budged USA is NOT leaving NATO USA will follow Article 5 USA will help our ALLIES...despite what you tankie reddit asshats say... The MIC is intertwined with euro defense companies... Over 35 countries makeup the F35 . On the flip side, Many USA defense companies are involved with euro defense projects...and will continue long after this administration is gone. Fcuking reddit....
Thanks for the thought-out input! SHLD is not just US companies but that is a big part. I’m hoping that a) Europe unblocks and ratifies their trade agreement, b) NATO commits to more defense spending as part of some Greenland deal, and c) a strike on Iran occurs, before call expires. I was definitely more bullish a week ago and agree that alienating our allies is corrosive in the long term and maybe the short term too.
It was a $57 call for 1/30 when price was $56.85, so if I would’ve kept it through today I could’ve sold for a 15% loss instead of 80% but i didn’t see our market rebounding after 🥭 talked incoherently back to back days haha I’ve had great returns this year buying contracts just like this, a 1% move up to $57.50 would’ve put me $800+ up and I would’ve sold for the day. PYPL is slow but had no reason to dip lower unless we threatened to idk attack NATO 4 hours after I buy 😂
Yeah would be interesting if the UK gov looked to mine their own tungsten. If there was to be a war or army build up then tungsten would be in demand. Which is no longer completely realistic. Especially because NATO spending is increasing. Has the UK gov done anything that would increase the need for tungsten?
🥭 : NATO should come protect our southern border
Remember when stupid ass bears were screaming the U.S. and NATO were going to war against each other?
Our European allies are deploying troops and flying sorties over Greenland in case Trump orders and invasion. NATO is dead.
Erm, actually its a concept of a plan for a framework for a possible future deal on which to renege with NATO at a forward date
In your idiotic analogy, it would be like the president of NATO telling mexico that they agree to give them San Juan
Not even close. He wanted Greenland. What he got was access to Greenland and military cooperation in the Arctic. Both of which the US already had. Like they already have a military base and are already cooperating because of NATO. Anything he “got” he already had or could have politely asked for and would have been allowed. Instead he threatened and blustered, damaging relationship with allies forever, then backed down from his threats when he faced stiff opposition from Europe. He made himself and the US look silly and weak.
He Tacoed greenland but my trust into the USA as an ally is dead, and by extension NATO as well. So I dont care if he tacoes every weekend, i wanna get rid of all US stocks. On top the shitty dollar keeps on falling. So taco all you want, elect child rapists all you want, but you cant have my money.
Biden most famously. Operational Integration (JFC Norfolk): The Biden administration operationalized Joint Force Command Norfolk, a NATO headquarters in Virginia dedicated to the Atlantic and High North. While established in 2018, the Biden administration pushed for allies to staff and resource this command to ensure NATO has a permanent, contribution-heavy footprint protecting Arctic supply lines.
Could you elaborate on the failed efforts of previous presidents to get increased NATO contributions in the arctic? I'm not trying to call you out, I'm genuinely curious about this.
They have been. They just haven’t been buying from the States. [**Top US official berates Europe over cutting American industry out of defense buildup**](https://www.politico.eu/article/christopher-landau-top-us-official-berates-europe-nato-cut-industry-defense-buildup/) > U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau on Wednesday slammed European NATO allies for prioritizing their own defense industry over American arms suppliers, according to three NATO diplomats. > Landau, a longtime NATO skeptic who spoke first at the closed-door meeting, told ministers not to “bully” his country’s defense firms out of participating in Europe’s rearmament. Buncha babies lol.
US institutions matter, people don’t. The reason Denmark’s defense minister didn’t seem that concerned and more annoyed is a recognition of that. I’ve said this before but the Senate essentially stepped in and told Trump “You’re done” if you do any Greenland/Tarriff stuff over it. He complied and backed down. This whole situation has been the total vindication of Separation of Powers that the founders intended and it’s something that people will still flock to the US for economically. Most Euro leaders realize that Trump is a lame duck and won’t be in office in 2 years/most of Americans disapprove of his behavior. In terms of Carney, he’s a loser. I hate to say that but he is. You don’t like Trump or the US so you move closer to a country with no rule of law that started imprisoning people over the Hong Kong fire? Good luck buddy. China is still an economic threat with an aging problem that’s going to lead to them supercharging exports to try and keep inflation down. Canada will be flooded with cheap cars for under 10k with a massive unemployment problem in Ontario. My best advice is to ignore the cannons of rhetoric. They are loud, obnoxious, and utterly harmless. I’ve been yelling about this for years in the states. The reason to hate Trump is not his ridiculous sayings or rantings, it’s the fraud and economic problems. In terms of international relations, the renminbi is not going to become the world reserve currency, NATO has not collapsed, and the US is still a massive economy with investment opportunities that won’t end. This is a blip that will end. Call me when Trump declares the US is pulling out of NATO and removing all troops from South Korea
If by "betting against the US" you mean diversifying to other markets, than I am doing that, particularly on my long term investments. I really don't think there was any other occasion in history where the US has so openly antagonized its closest allies and alligned itself with what should be its enemies, and doing so without any justification or even pretense of a justification. This was a direct provocation against a NATO ally that included potential military action, and it's just the latest of a series of increasingly concerning actions that have been going for the past year and will continue occuring moving forward. It would have been completely unheard of a year ago, even with the context of the various crises that plagued the Western world for the past 80 years, and I don't think it can be forgotten easily.
If that was the objective, then there was surely a way to negotiate such assistance without threatening the sovereignty of a neighboring ally, considering military action against a NATO member, antagonizing and berating other allied world leaders, and eroding trust that was built upon decades of mutual cooporation. Circus performers should perform stunts, not world leaders.
These posts themselves feel like astroturfing at this point. Until Trump strikes a european country, it is TACO time. These posts allude to some sort of growing need for consequences that would deliver the whole Russian goal has for Trump. As in if these posts were working, whether or not Trump invades Europe illegally, America's relationship with Europe should fray and NATO should fall internally. And it's clear as day, a European country alone is a vulnerable target to Russian invasion. So for all the flipping off and punishments that Europeans hash against the US's forays into fascism, the moment it drops military alliances with us is the moment the new world order begins. And let's be honest here, europe should punish us economically, but if they decide to militarily align with China and renounce NATO, their demise would be their own doing when oh my god, China's economic ally Russia invades Poland with no reprecussion!
I agree with you that the consequences would be spread likely over decades, but I also think that the credibility hit we are currently experiencing differs from previous ones. The most apt comparison you mentioned was the Nixon shock, but even that was restricted to economic measures. Here we are saw a direct aggrevation of NATO allies with zero precedence or justifiable cause, even in principle, and we're seeing an increasing alignment of the US against Europe and towards some of its most terrible enemies, like Russia. I don't think there's a true precedent to this in history. The rule of law is no longer unmatched when the party most suitble to enforce it on an international level goes directly against it, without even the pretense of justification.
One of the guys top priorities since the first time he got elected was dismantling NATO lol. Turns out, it's not easy to get socialists off the teat.
Much like we’re forcing China to, we’re forcing others to become less dependent on us. While you could certainly make the argument that NATO or Europe should have done more on their own, I feel it’s likely benefited us in other ways as well. But now we’re forcing other to rethink about having to rely on a country being run by literally a madman. China will eventually likely come up with their own chips…maybe not as good, but good enough to not have that leveraged against them. Europe will just get tired of Trumps antics and look elsewhere when possible.
Empty threats. If NATO dumps our debt America will be cooked
Stop reading into liberal talking points. They completely ignore the reality of actually delivering on those promises. How much would it take to really build up an army? An Amazon/Google? How long? People that think this way somehow magically think these things can appear out of thin air. These countries got caught with their pants on the ground by not paying up to NATO and killing energy production, are big mad America/Trump didn't follow them into self destruction. If people were told the truth that it will take trillions of investment causing massive inflation/deficits, reversing on their precious environmental/labor standards, upwards of 10 years time, and the products will still likely not be competitive with the US... You think they'd sign up for that? America has all the leverage in the world on EU, and no agreement with China (or Russia LOL) can get them out of it. Is China just going to hand Europe sweetheart deals when they have problems of their own? How'd Russia/China tech do in Venezuela?
Why was the November dip significantly worse than Trump saying he wanted to annex a NATO ally 💀☠️ this market makes no sense
The US shouldn't care about the EU at all. Let's keep it real. The EU has no leverage at all, and in geopolitics, there is no such a thing is morality, good and wrong. Geopolitics is about resources. If a country is militarily capable of taking over a specific territory, it will do it either by force or negotiations (direct threats or threats in the form of democracy fairy tales, such as NATO bases and Russian dangers). Don't mention the EU holds US bonds, because that's not a leverage. Not a long time ago, Trump implemented tariffs and a trade deal that harms the EU, and demanded around 1 trillion dollars as a gift from the EU. An actor called "Ursula" claimed she will teach Trump a lession. In the end of the day, the EU totally backed off and the US got everything they wanted. The EU is a bankrupt, sham "union" that exists ONLY because the US and China exist, as well as the declining population exists and is being taxed. If the tax base and the life support (the US and China) disappear, the EU disappears immediately. The EU doesn't have any manufacturing and military capabilities. It exists only because the middle class is robbed and there are lawsuits against American billionaires the EU takes money from to fund sham social and climate programs and sham NGOs and organizations that serve no other purpose rather than money laundering through fake "Africa philanthropy" NGOs owned by EU oligarchs. The EU was a power before the 2008 crisis. After 2008, the EU is irrelevant. Any "the EU will retaliate and do this and that" talking point is nothing but either propaganda or someone misunderstanding the geopolitical realities. No, I'm not a "Putinbot". I'm actually in the EU, in a rapidly declining fake country, a vassal and client state, Bulgaria; I'm telling you, if someone decides to do something either against that country or the EU in general, neither that country or the EU will do anything. The leadership will basically pack up and leave. They will go to another country and record videos in which they say they support us and we will watch the videos on the TV. That's it. The only thing the EU can do is to talk fairy tales about democracy, dismiss opposition as dictatorship, condemn anything it doesn't like, impose sanctions and talk about "unconditional support", but it ends there. The EU doesn't even have a properly functioning stock market.
So US rediscovered "might makes right" attitude extends to threatening, and pressuring NATO allies - because murica "owns" Europe military. But when Europeans recognize that they "own" most of the US 30 trillion debt, which made all of this possible, and considers selling government bonds and pension funds - they are the asshole? Why should Europeans continue to invest in US equities when every dollar they make is halfed by the US aggressive (warfare-like) trade double standard, effectively leading to higher prices and devaluation of currency in their home country? That's like criticizing a person for not having a knife, next taking their money to buy a knife, then threatening to kill the person who lend the money, and get angry and threaten retaliation when they say "I would like to have some of my money back since you started threatening us and supporting our sworn enemies" as a response. Like even for a narcissist - that's some cold ass bs.
Dumping US treasuries is the retaliation for saying you’re going to take over a NATO nation
🥭-EU-NATO talks summarized: 🥭: Me want greenland EU: DONT 🥭: Ma BB gun doesn't negotiate with libs EU: Neither does my portfolio divesting 🥭: \*chickens out\*
What I see in your post is a focus on panic and worst-case scenarios. A U.S. invasion of Greenland by force isn’t realistic because NATO rules are clear on this. And even in an extreme hypothetical, why sell U.S. assets? Increased geopolitical risk would likely lead to higher defense spending, which historically benefits defense stocks.
Both. GOP senators were adamant that the Greenland stuff was a red line. EU and NATO rallied to show they won't be bullied by him. He was on a power trip, especially after Venezuela and he wanted to push that power around because he has deep insecurities because he fucks little boys and girls.
Once you have Russian gas in hand you have it. Many modern weapons are dependent on software/updates/maintenance meaning it’s not a one and done purchase where you then have 100% control of that asset or assurance jt will be reliable if the time comes. Rather than risk a load of weapons dependent on the whim of American companies to function, we will move more and more to self reliance. It will take time and investment, but the status quo of buying shit from America and assuming we’ll always be able to do so is done. It’s also not very smart of us to keep feeding your military industrial complex when it’s clear you’re moving towards being a hostile entity. We can invest that money in our own economies seeing as our contributions to NATO over the years has been so disregarded by your supreme leader. Despite America still being the only member of NATO that has EVER invoked article 5 and all of us answering the call when you did. I think some people are underestimating the strength of feeling in Europe and the anger towards America (the country, we know you aren’t all supporting him). Just because we don’t hoot and holler doesn’t mean we aren’t really, really angry. That plays a part in whether we will have an appetite to deal with you more than absolutely necessary. There’s now a real foreseeable risk that we’ll be on opposite sides of the battle field, so as a minimum we’ll begin growing our industries facilities so that we have the capacity to be self sufficient in production. In the short term nothing drastic is likely, but expect a gradual creep. That goes for tech companies based in America as well if they’re used in any kind of critical sector, and general goods because Trump is at best erratic and unpredictable and it’s unhealthy for our economies to be vulnerable to the whims of a tangerine toddler.
That's more or less exactly what happened. During the Cold War, the US had like 150+ bases across Greenland (or Iceland if you're Trump), as far as access to REs and Minerals, any NATO ally or even China has had access to craft those deals. Trump is literally a dementia-riddled moron. Just like his Wartons professor said, *"Trump is the most goddamn stupid student I have ever taught."*
What deal? Trump is the only one that's mentioned anything about this "deal". The head of NATO cannot negotiate for Denmark or Greenland.
He wants to fortify the western hemisphere from the rest of the world. He will take over Greenland after he establishes a defence there and turn against NATO. They need to stop him before it’s too late.
If it was really about security European NATO countries could have been placed on Greenland, it would make more sense. No, I think it’s about resources. Trump wants to mine rare earths and drill for oil like he stole the oil from the venezuelan people.
I called this 2 weeks ago. Trump was never serious about invading Greenland or taking it by force. The timing before Davos made that clear. He wanted to peacock for his base and for his ego, and use it as leverage to secure a deal like this. The thing is, he didn't need to. Literally he could have been like 'Hey greenland we want to put a bunch of missiles up there, we'll make infrastructure investments, and we'll make your whopping 15 residents dumb rich when we start mining"....and greenland would just be like "Bet!". All this could have been done without doing serious damage to our allies and NATO...but they dont have a single adult in the room apparently.
NATO (in Europe) countries just started spending significantly for their own defense post Ukraine While this person is not eloquent they aren’t as stupid as you wish they were. Likewise for how smart you think you are.
Step 1 to reducing American debt: get NATO to pull its own weight and get Greenland to make both the US and NATO stronger and as payback.
Once he dies the NATO leaders will be like "so we couldn't mock him then without starting ww3 but now we can. He could do it the whole time 😂. The deal we just told him we'd sign a napkin that says "missiles on Greenland" and he moved on like he won."