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That's a good way to get all of NATO directly involved.
> A few data points I’ve been watching: Budget growth: EU defence budgets are on track for a ~7–9 % CAGR over the next 5 years to hit NATO’s 2 % GDP targets. Capex lead time: Major contracts (fighters, ships, land systems) have 3–6 year development cycles—buying before awards can mean catching the rally into revenue. Valuations: The sector ETF sits around 18 × forward earnings versus ~16 × for the S&P 500; pure-play names like BAE or Airbus Defence trade nearer 15 ×. FX dynamics: A softer euro boosts US-dollar returns but can squeeze margins on non-USD costs. If you’re truly in for a 5–10 year horizon, I’d start a position now and dollar-cost-average around contract-award news. Does anyone here track backlog growth or tender pipelines as their timing signal?
Split it also. Or do thometing like NATO.
You realize NATO didn't exist back then, right? Israel was created by an act of the UN. Also, the Ottomans entered the war on Germany's side. And it lost. It was dissolved, most of its possessions lost, and replaced by the nation of Turkey. Your ignorance is profound, both in knowledge and manners.
Hypothetically and practically you would have a greater chance of making money by betting on the UK going to shit. Russia is the worlds 4th largest economy by GDP PPP, has the ~third largest gold reserve, the ruble has strengthened by 20% this year, making it the worlds best-performing currency and no one outside of NATO states and a few other nations is joining in on any economic embargoes. The vast majority of Russia's budget is sourced from internal tax revenue, rather than tariffs or export duties on oil, gas and minerals. Politically, China will never let Russia collapse, as it is a buffer zone and resource basket for Beijing. As an investor, you could have researched all of this in 10 minutes.
They did not and they likely will not that’s an act of war against the US and NATO and even China and India. And Iran will suffer greatly as they rely on oil exports. GET YO BEAR ASS MOVIN
You already admitted that NATO "took over" and "cut them up" to begin with. And this is another example of that "self-government" you NATO shills love to spout on about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor Thanks for playing, establishment shill.
They won’t do it. Thet may threaten it but if they did it it’s full on escalation with the US. NATO would get involved. China and India would be pissed. Iran would be fucked. Don’t expect it to happen but they may throw around the ol threat here and there. They fuck themselbes extremely bad if they do this
> Britain and France took over the region and over a period of years cut it up into pieces and set locals to running things. Translation: Invasion. > If the Arabs had just accepted that there was one tiny Jewish state there, who knows what great things might have happened. How about they take a page out of the NATO playbook and break into your house and settle there, and let's see what "great" things will happen then.
Iran won’t shut down the strait, oil goes crazy yesterday just from the algos thinking this, shutting down the strait will lead to NATO and the US directly being involved. It’ll piss of China and India as well. 90 percent chance they don’t touch the strait but threaten to shut it down. 10 percent chance they say fuck it.
I guess the same thing will happen to NATO if they don't act as he says. That's why they all chickened out on recognizing Palestinian state.
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idk im poorly regarded but I'll buy back in if they dip substantially - i bought back in to kongsberg this morning after they had a wild ride last week. if NATO is truly setting a 5% target then rheinmetall could be due for another spike - but the problem is that it takes so long to build weapons factories, and rheinmetall has already been given a lot of money to do so.
Iran is going to fold. China has little interest in Iran and Russia already has its hands full with Ukraine supplied with NATO weapons.
Yes Netayahoo had this planned knowing he would drag us in. I saw Netayahoo’s speech yesterday. He went on about how he had to attack Iran. Netayahoo poked the bear mid negotiations expecting the US to have his back. Israel knows that Iran will retaliate which it will use to lure us in. At this point Netayahoo is provoking war and I think the US need to be clear that we will only back NATO countries if the are attacked without instigating or having attacked first. Netayahoo has nuclear weapons and is trying to decide who else should have them. Maybe the solution is for Israel to not have a nuclear arsenal since they obviously cannot be trusted either. And by the way, Israel’s actions on Palestine make him a war criminal. The man is no better than Putin or Kim and should be in prison not in power.
Perhaps America has been living in a fantasy land with its economy only being worth half what the stock market claims. The rich are pumping and dumping purely based on premise that they have the ability to and poor people think there’s still a shot to be one of them. Too late our economy is a Fantasy once NATO grows some balls the rest of the world is going to move from dollar and fuck us. Now this is what we HAVE to go to war from Americans perspective with Iran because our last bastion of financial stability is based on the fact that we have a monopoly on oil and it can only be bought with usd. We are using Israel as the reason to protect those assets and thus our status as world currency. Funny enough guys this has to happen for the rest of the world to be free. Money is fake and finaciersw rule the world. A complete inversion of reality because we worship an abstract concepts that demands you deprive yourself of humanity to play the game which is make sure you think the US dollar is enticing enough to make people want to play the game. Well we are here and people found that the game demands you shut up and don’t ask ever ask questions about why you in America deserve to live this life of cheap luxury while the rest of the world suffers. Thanks god this shit is coming to an end we are the empire
What „bad government“? They are actively waging economic war against allies and dismantling NATO. That in itself massively impacts their military power. It also massively impacts their influence, which is the actual reason why people use the dollar as reserve currency. Their military might is only part of that. A main point is that frankly, they aren’t far from a massive collapse of the economy. That doesn’t take four years of „bad government“. You can do that in a couple months of corruption, erratic policies and, I don’t know, deploying the military to fight off made up protests. If you now add Trump attempting to add another three trillion USD of debt while tanking the bond markets, which even if they don’t start printing money immediately will at least increase the chances of it, and you’re standing at the edge of the USD tanking even worse than it has already. And that goes straight against the idea of a „reserve currency“. Sure, it is very hard to change. But that change didn’t start with Trump. It had started before. Trump just changed who took part in it.
The IRGC Chief being killed is a serious escalation. Europe’s been tiptoeing around increased defense budgets, but this could be the tipping point, especially for NATO cohesion and investment in missile defense systems.
Bibi has played 🌮 like a chump *and* ruined his big china deal announcement. He's going to be fuming. He'll have to distract everyone soon - maybe he'll withdraw from NATO or fly to Moscow or something.
NATO should just glass the entire region and be done with it. There'd be no more refugee crisis in Europe then.
You’re also alone this time. Nobody in NATO is coming to help regardless of how much you bitch.
It doesn't matter what they signed as they were never going to be allowed to keep possession of those weapons. Neither NATO or Russia, the successor government to the former Soviet Union, were going to let Ukraine keep those nukes. The only security guarantee that the US was concerned with was preventing everything from tactical nukes to multi-megaton thermonuclear warheads from potentially ending up on the black market. The chances of which would've increased significantly when the Russians inevitably returned with force.
That’s because they could probably decimate NATO
This shit about to get lit.. WW3. Then the country wide riots this weekend. Russia gonna do their real retaliation strike on Ukraine and maybe NATO. Starting June 25th all Simi truck drivers if foreign are going to be required to take a test at weight stations and speak,read,and write English or their truck will be confiscated and company fined 10k. They will also be confirming they are legal citizens or be arrested. There goes 35% of the Simi drivers. Shipping cost is gonna drive up inflation if you're even able to get shit. Don't believe me go Google June 25th drivers requirements. Anddd we gonna have a huge birthday party this weekend!!!
At this point I expect our commander in theif would be much quicker to go to war for Israel than any NATO country
Why though? They aren’t in NATO
I think Russia invading Ukraine, who gave up their nukes in the 1990s, encouraged nuclear rearmament everywhere. Sweden and Finland joining NATO was done almost exclusively for the atomic umbrella. It has always been true that nuclear states have more agency than non-nuclear states.
# 1. Gulf War (1990–1991) * **Troops provided by Israel: 0** * **Details**: Israel did **not** send troops. In fact, Israel was **asked not to retaliate** against Iraqi missile attacks (Scud missiles) to maintain the U.S.-led coalition, which included Arab states. Israel complied, despite being hit by dozens of missiles. # 2. War in Iraq (2003–2011) * **Troops provided by Israel: 0** * **Details**: Israel was **not part of the coalition** in the Iraq War due to political sensitivities in the region. U.S. and allied forces avoided Israeli involvement to prevent backlash from Arab and Muslim-majority nations. # 3. Afghanistan War (2001–2021) * **Troops provided by Israel: 0** * **Details**: Israel did **not participate** militarily. The country supported the U.S. and NATO politically and shared intelligence on terrorism, but no Israeli troops were deployed to Afghanistan. # 4. Vietnam War (U.S. involvement: ~1965–1973) * **Troops provided by Israel: 0** * **Details**: Israel did **not send any military forces** to Vietnam. Its role was neutral, though it maintained a good relationship with the U.S. during the era. Ukraine (just for fact) 6000+ # This is not financial advice, Calls on oil!
Oh really Russia vs all of NATO is humiliation?
Remember that any valuation of currency or stock is not based on inherent value, but on trust. A company can have great assets, but if buyers do jot trust that they are well managed, they will find a better solution. Now the US currency has had the highest level of trust for about a century. And the reason why people buy our bonds is because we were a monolith. We had massive natural resources, the largest investment community both internationally and domestic, and we were global leaders. The last one is in several different ways, but UN security council, NATO, and USAID were arguably the top 3. What has happened in the last month is that the US is no long a powerhouse, lets look at why. The natural resources is an interesting case because the crux of that resource comes down to food production. We have massive territorial waters and the midwest. However these have been slowly diverted to focus on inefficient food production. I like beef and soda as much as the next American, but they use an excess of resources for little payoff, and are heavily subsidized despite that inefficiency. And in the modern markets, we’re well behind on manufacturing because we invested overseas rather than keep it in house. We don’t have the manpower required and corporations realized it was cheaper to ship out rather than automate. We have some of the largest conglomerates of capital in the world, but its not actually stable. I’m a millennial, so this is my 3rd/4th recession. And because our manufacturing is based overseas, what we have to invest in is not as stable as it appears. Where I live we have a ton of government contracts. Everyone in my family is either contractor or employee. But DOGE staffing cuts has put literally all of that at risk. My state is now experiencing major unemployment concerns, and our only solution is to retrain thousands of former gov employees. These are specialists, they don’t slot into much, except gov contracts which they legally cant work on. Housing is the one everyone is talking about, but at the same time its become bloated because it is the hot commodity, meaning that we’re one huricane away from another housing crisis because we just need one corporation to crash. Divesting ownership away from the individual means that housing is now a all or nothing risk, which sounds great except I wrote my thesis on the housing crash of 08. Finally we have global leadership. The US has had immense power since WW2 because we handled crisis management. Not always ethically, but we were in the top spot. But that means that we’ve been in more wars in the last 3 decades than any other country. That makes us scary, sure, but adds uncertainty. And in the past 90 days, we’ve cut USAID, losing our allies in the 3rd world countries. We’ve spoken quite openly about leaving NATO, destroying alliances with the EU. And spoken openly about invading Canada and Greenland. And the one place where we theoretically had negotiation power, Ukraine vs Russia, we have essentially pulled out of it, against our allies wishes, right before Ukraine pulled off what is probably the third most single expensive bombing run attack in history. So we look both dangerous and unstable. And this could be managed on a case by case basis, but the problem is that our allies simply worked around us. Canada is actively working on trade deals with the EU. China is sourcing away from the US, because Australia does everything we do but cheaper. Ukraine is now offering to just buy our military surplus, instead of having it donated, probably because the EU knows this is a proxy war and knows how to invest in one historically. And its easy to talk about Mexico as if its a third world country, but they’re arguably the third most powerful country in the Americas, they have plenty who wish to trade with them, they’re not hurting for allies, they just never had a leadership role in part because we filled it with the monroe doctrine. And all of this right when the country is erupting in riots because of military and paramilitary on the streets. Honestly, if we were any smaller of a country, this would be a grizzly. I’m just happy its only a brown bear.
There are a lot of factors involved that are going to continue to weaken the US dollar. For me, aside from the tariff war, pulling out USAID is one of the most mind-numbingly dumb things we've done in relation to our global influence. Since the U.S. shut down USAID, China has been quick to swoop in, offering development funding and infrastructure projects in regions where we once played a stabilizing role. * **Nepal**: Chinese officials have signaled their willingness to replace USAID funding with their own development assistance. * **Cambodia**: China has provided millions for landmine clearance, stepping in where U.S. aid previously helped. * **Colombia**: NGOs that relied on USAID funding report that China is now offering financial support. * **Africa**: The withdrawal of U.S. aid has made it harder to counter terrorism and maintain stability, with groups like al-Shabaab exploiting the situation. This shift is strengthening China's geopolitical influence, while weakening the US and NATO, particularly through its Belt and Road Initiative, which ties infrastructure investments to long-term economic and political dependencies. If China/BRICS continues expanding its presence in these regions, it will also accelerate de-dollarization, as more countries turn to Chinese financing and trade agreements that bypass the U.S. dollar. [As USAID retreats, China pounces - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2025/02/10/as-usaid-retreats-china-pounces-00195922) [How USAID Cuts Hand Big Win to China - Newsweek](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-usaid-cut-china-foreign-aid-political-influence-2028949) [AFRICOM asks for help deterring terrorism, after Trump pulls aid to allied countries - Defense One](https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2025/05/africom-asks-help-deterring-terrorism-after-trump-pulls-aid-allied-countries/405684/) [USAID shutdown: A strategic victory for China](https://thehill.com/opinion/5133224-us-shuts-down-usaid-china-gains/)
This is not true in the slightest, considering NATO was established shortly after the war to deal with the much more pressing worry of a Soviet invasion. Rheinmetal and others were doing perfectly fine during the 70s. Europe moved towards US material dependence because we were, as others said, left unscathed and thus were advantaged enough to put out cutting edge platforms and tech for bargain prices, and we were very willing to share it with anyone willing to be a wall against Moscow. Thus the European defense industry struggled to compete because not only were they playing catchup constantly on price and capability, they were struggling to transition to NATO standards which were invariably set by the US MIC because, as mentioned before, we were putting out military material hand over fist compared to everyone else. This is all to say that it just made economic sense to get the cheapest, most capable systems when the US was still viewed as an infallible harbinger of world peace. Now that that fiction is exposed, diversification has become economically viable because of long-term maintenance viability now being questionable for political reasons, exacerbated by most European defense companies having now had decades to get with NATO standards.
OH, and PL (planet labs) just came into nice support for it's next leg up (hopefully)...They just received a contract from NATO...most likely more to come.
Or they don’t see any positive news coming from the US. The tariffs are just one aspect. Consider the ICE raids, deploying military on US soil, the flippant, inconsistent nature of leadership, declines in tourism, impending cost increases, lack of trust and faith in agreements made with the US government, the open manipulation of the stock market, abandoning allies, leaving Ukraine unsupported, continued support for genocide, the continued threat of leaving NATO, threats on other nation’s sovereignty, etc etc etc. There is nothing in recent US news that is truly positive when all factors are considered. We are speed running towards an authoritarian government and therefore, why would other nations want anything to do with us? The dollar losing value is a result of this administration and without their removal, we will continue to see the dollar decline. Even with their removal, it will take decades to restore faith in America. Hell, as a US citizen, I don’t have any faith in us right now. And I served this country honorably for almost a decade and a half. This shit is insane.
All Quantum is junk. CVNA isn’t retail. That’s a Hedge Fund meme stock like TSLA. PLTR is a meme stock but it’s part of gov., runs NATO now, and big money has bought into it now like 50% institutional ownership. RKLB and ASTS are too high but those are real companies with catalysts, contracts, and proven tech/operational tech. Your shorts are super risky outside of the quantum junk tbh. Could work out, and you could easily get burned. Good luck retard. 🫡
$PL just broke out looks like the NATO contract announcement just hit \~20 mins ago is fueling the move Could be a big catalyst if the deal scales Watching volume and followthrough closely
My guy, you have been propagandized or something because all of that is ridiculous. It's not shocking though, you seem to be from the EU and EU nations certainly have a vested interest in propagandizing people to continue the status quo. Stop for a second and look at where most of the major world organizations get funding from. I mean for fucks sake... The second largest investor of the WHO is a is literally not even a country. It's a foundation created by Bill Gates, a private American citizen. The entire EU military is subsidized by the fact the USA basically outspends the rest of the world combined and are generous enough to stay in NATO and defend you from the not one but TWO nuclear superpowers that are on the same landmass as you. The "good" is not the US Dollar and it never has been. The actual "good" is the US consumer and these unfair trade markets are tapping us out. The American dream is quickly dying. Our jobs are shipped overseas, We have shitty healthcare, Housing prices have become unsustainable, but hot damn were subsidizing your military, and buying everything from from medical supplies to plastic toys from our literal biggest threat and enemy. It's insanity and it needs to change. You're also making the wild mistake of assuming we're advocating for isolationism. We're not. Nobody is talking about isolationism or becoming an export heavy economy. We will still buy things, we just won't be doing it with such wildly uneven trade deals. You can't bar us from your markets while making barriers that prevent us from selling to you too.
Haha, I've been to a few 49ers games. 1. I don't like all the extra debt we're taking on, but the tax cuts might pay for themselves if it results in more economic activity. I think we seriously need to spend less even if it means cutting some services like medicare for undocumented families who have one legal kid, and just give it to the kid instead. I think we could save a lot if the government stayed out of education, but again that could cause a short term lack of funding which we need to stay ahead of China on Ai. I think defense is a good investment, especially the Golden dome. That would essentially make our country immune to nuclear threats so we have a much higher bargaining power when it comes to trade deals. There is so much regulation that's costing taxpayers money right now that we really need to cut though. 2. For the trade war, I'm ok with it as it seems Europe needs us more than we need Europe right now. 90% of what we use is produced domestically and we create 10% more energy than we consume, so even if the entire world embargos us, we will be fine. That said, it will defeinitely hurt in a few areas like game consoles, and chips. I know our weapons are world class, and that's where we get a lot of our power, so I don't like the idea of the EU having the capability to make current gen fighters for example, as then we may be left out of NATO type deals and won't be able to negotiate as good trade deals. EU on the other hand already seems to be dealing with high unemployment compared to the US, and the additional migrants make it even harder for the manufacturing as they drive the wages down quite a bit. The US is responsible for about 5% of your GDP, which you could bounce back from I'm sure, but would obviously suck for us as we have the best tech and stuff and theres only so many high income consumers in the world not in the EU. 3. I think the Aid to Ukraine is seen as a hot topic because of a few reasons. But we've contributed/commited like 180 Billion so far, and we're just one country who has nothing to lose if Ukraine gets taken over by Russia. Europe on the other hand has sent less than that despite being in Putins path potentially. I think the taxpayers don't like the idea of paying for it when it feels like other countries expect us to do the heavy lifting. Another reason is that we just want the war done. Lots of people are dying left and right, both sides, and Russia can't lose as they have like 4x the people and 10x the GDP. We're just prolonging the inevitable. Third, a lot of people think that getting to involved could lead to WW3, and we don't want that. They don't want any escalation of the conflict and want it to just stay between those two countries. Then finally, Ukraine is very corrupt. They've already taken a lot of our aid and funneled it into the pockets of businessman. One case an official bought a bunch of overpriced coffins for the dead, and gave himself huge kickbacks. Not to mention Zelensky doing some shady stuff, like charging his political opponents with crimes. Why would Americans want to donate if only 75 cents on the dollar actually makes it to the front lines? And we still have to pay to replace that military equiptment if its in that form instead.
I’ve been following closely too and have to say, the speed and creativity of the financial restructuring at BURU is impressive. What’s even more reassuring is who is behind it. Matteo Ricchebuono — ex-Deutsche Bank, UBS, and now head of GFG Funds — isn’t just advising here. He’s actually fronted early capital to keep BURU moving while the $ https://preview.redd.it/qven4fwq2b6f1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=908896646a8da9b9377952932219b190282b089d 100mil SEC shelf clears. That shows conviction. You don’t risk personal cash and reputation unless you believe in the upside. On the operational side, Dario Barisoni brings 20+ years of international leadership, including as CEO for SIAE Microelettronica’s Asia/MENA division, delivering major telecom infrastructure across emerging markets. These aren’t your average AIM boardroom faces — they’re institutional-grade. They’re not backing a penny stock for vanity. They clearly see real synergy between BURU’s high-spec laser IP, SYME’s monetisation platform, and Tekne’s NATO-aligned military and industrial client base. This could be a sleeper story that catches people off guard if it all clicks. I really like some of the vehicles too - see battle tested vehicles used in Ukraine for Tekne.
Netherlands has a particularly close relationship with the US. Other than the UK, European small states like Belgium, Switzerland, and the Netherlands and surprisingly big imports of foreign direct investment from the US. Their small size probably contributes to their neutrality on major EU/NATO matters that would get in the way of US demands.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth was met with sharp questions and criticism Tuesday by lawmakers who demanded details on his move to deploy troops to Los Angeles, and they expressed bipartisan frustration that Congress has not yet gotten a full defense budget from the Trump administration. “Your tenure as secretary has been marked by endless chaos,” Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., told Hegseth. Others, including Republican leaders, warned that massive spending projects such as President Donald Trump’s desire for a $175 billion Golden Dome missile defense system will get broad congressional scrutiny. The troop deployment triggered several fiery exchanges that at times devolved into shouting matches as committee members and Hegseth yelled over one another. After persistent questioning about the cost of sending National Guard members and Marines to Los Angeles, Hegseth turned to his acting comptroller, Bryn Woollacott MacDonnell, who said it would cost $134 million. Hegseth defended Trump’s decision to send the troops, saying they are needed to protect federal agents as they do their jobs. And he suggested that the use of troops in the United States will continue to expand. “I think we’re entering another phase, especially under President Trump with his focus on the homeland, where the National Guard and Reserves become a critical component of how we secure that homeland,” he said. The House Appropriations defense subcommittee hearing was the first time lawmakers have been able to challenge Trump’s defense chief since he was confirmed. It is the first of three congressional hearings he will face this week. Lawmakers take aim at Pentagon’s planned spending Lawmakers complained widely that Congress hasn’t yet gotten details of the administration’s first proposed defense budget, which Trump has said would total $1 trillion, a significant increase over the current spending level of more than $800 billion. And they said they are unhappy with the administration’s efforts to go around Congress to push through changes. Key spending issues that have raised questions in recent weeks include plans to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on security upgrades to turn a Qatari jet into Air Force One and to pour as much as $45 million into a parade recently added to the Army’s 250th birthday bash, which coincides with Trump’s birthday Saturday. Rep. Betty McCollum, D-Minn., quizzed Hegseth on deploying about 700 active duty Marines to assist more than 4,100 National Guard troops in protecting federal buildings and personnel during immigration raid protests in Los Angeles. She got into a testy back-and-forth with him over the costs of the operation. He evaded the questions but later turned to MacDonnell, who provided the estimate and said it covers the costs of travel, housing and food. Hegseth said the 60-day deployment of troops is needed “because we want to ensure that those rioters, looters and thugs on the other side assaulting our police officers know that we’re not going anywhere.” Under the Posse Comitatus Act, troops are prohibited from policing U.S. citizens on American soil. Invoking the Insurrection Act, which allows troops to do that, is incredibly rare, and it’s not clear if Trump plans to do it. The commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. Eric Smith, told lawmakers at a separate budget hearing Tuesday that the Marines who have arrived in Los Angeles have not yet been called on to respond. He said they have no arrest authority and are only there to protect federal property and federal personnel. When asked by Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat, about the danger Marines would use lethal force that could result in injuries and deaths, Smith said he is not concerned. “I have great faith in my Marines and their junior leaders and their more senior leaders to execute the lawful tasks that they are given.” Pentagon learns from Ukraine but will cut funding Committee members pressed Hegseth on Ukraine’s surprise drone attack in early June that destroyed a large number of Russian bomber aircraft. And they questioned the administration’s future funding for Kyiv. Hegseth said the strikes caught the U.S. off guard and represented significant advances in drone warfare. The attack has the Pentagon rethinking drone defenses “so we are not vulnerable to a threat and an attack like that,” he said, adding that the department is learning from Ukraine and is focused on how to better defend its own military airfields. He acknowledged, however, that funding for Ukraine military assistance, which has been robust for the past two years, will be reduced in the upcoming defense budget. That cut means that Kyiv will receive fewer of the weapons systems that have been key to countering Russia’s onslaught. “This administration takes a very different view of that conflict,” he said. “We believe that a negotiated peaceful settlement is in the best interest of both parties and our nation’s interests.” The U.S. to date has provided Ukraine more than $66 billion in military aid since Russia invaded in February 2022. What Hegseth has focused on so far The panel zeroed in on funding issues, with only a few mentions of other entanglements that have marked Hegseth’s early months. They touched only briefly on his moves to fire key military leaders and purge diversity programs. And there was no discussion of his use of the Signal messaging app to discuss operational details of strikes in Yemen. Hegseth has spent vast amounts of time during his first five months in office promoting the social changes he’s making at the Pentagon. He’s been far less visible in the administration’s more critical international security crises and negotiations involving Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Gaza and Iran. Hegseth has posted numerous videos of his morning workouts with troops or of himself signing directives to purge diversity and equity programs and online content from the military. He has boasted of removing transgender service members from the force and firing so-called woke generals, many of whom were women. He was on the international stage about a week ago, addressing an annual national security conference in Asia about threats from China. But a trip to NATO headquarters last week was quick and quiet, and he deliberately skipped a gathering of about 50 allies and partners where they discussed support for Ukraine.
NATO uses Palantir. Isn’t NATO supporting Ukraine fighting Russia?
That’s why they’re not. Only one of them is well armed & we’re not fighting with them. They’ll be in the U.K. to discuss trade with the U.K. oops I mean the US this week. The US whether the current incompetent of the WH likes it or not is still part of NATO. Even if he tried to remove them via a truth social post, like the big growed up he is, it doesn’t work that way. Financially, the US is only hurting itself right now. Which it knows and if they had some gumption the minions would tell him. Musk is determined to interfere in the big stupid bill, he’s the world’s richest man, he is not going to care about some hustler threatening him. He will threaten to shift manufacturing. Which they’ve losing jobs in. TL;DR - yes.
Sovereign Cloud has been slowly developing in recent years in response to more regulatory moves by the EU. It has accelerated in 2025 due to the uncertainty about trade war and questions over the reliability of US Gov as a partner who could control the companies hosting critical workloads. AWS, Microsoft, Google are all doing it. Don't know about oracle. For the cloud companies sovereign Cloud also offers a way to recycle effort and intellectual property made for FedGov classified contracts to Five Eyes partners and, to a lesser extent EU and NATO semi-friends. Sat to phone is less of a big deal in Europe than in the US due to far greater cell coverage saturation (higher density population) but is still a big deal for euro military comms when out of home territory.
MU micron earnings coming out late june. Analysts estimate it'll be good. I bought in last week. EU defense sector is still rising, bc trump keeps saying he'll pull out of NATO and leave europe facing russia. Can either do an etf on it or buy individual stocks (rolls royce, bae systems, rheinmetal, etc) Trump is "meeting" w china soon. I noticed ZIM and Matson went up a bit. There's also 2 big chip stocks trump said wouldn't be allowed to do bus w china until deals. They dropped like 10% on the announcement. Last time trump "made a deal" w china shipping stocks, amazon and others bumped up. It's basically trump pump n dump action. Folks may be getting desensatized to it, and fluctuations may not happen as much. Big drug producers have also been threatened with tariffs "in 30 days" i think 15 days ago. Drug stocks have been down for a bit, but if there's a magical weekend announcement of a,deal they'll prob go up.
Hell, yes. 2/3rds in plain ol' CDs and the rest ETFs of foreign bonds (like iGOV) and tiny amounts in silver and Swiss Francs. I missed the partial recovery since tariff liberation day, but I don't care. Rough waters, dead ahead. These are historic times. The secret of the USA's power for 170 years was its energy production -- for most of that period being the largest single producer. WWII was won on American oil. Ultimately money is energy and prosperity is energy per capita and it made us powerful and wasteful. It's the big reason the dollar became the reserve currency -- ultimately backed by the petroleum and natural gas used in agriculture, manufacturing, and for the hot baths we take as normal (they weren't normal even 100 years ago). Now USA oil production -- extended with the miracle fracking -- has peaked. It will decline and take our arrogance and massive military with it. Add to that we can tell what actions of government are stupid, which are merely crypto grift, and which are literally Soviet funded designed to wound us -- with the result NATO and the post-WWII stability and FDR ideals are threatened or fundamentally dead. So it's not normal times. The usual pieties about the market alway coming back do not apply. Suggestion: buy dry beans (the only unequivocally valuable and durable asset) and learn Chinese.
>But it's weird that so much expectations were put put on this event. My guess is that the stock is now so hyped, it attracts a lot of emotional investors. I expect the European defence stocks to grow a bit more, but not a lot. If you missed the boat on this one: look into European infrastructure companies. The likely outcome to the coming NATO summit is that the new NATO norm will be set at spending 5% of GDP on defence. BUT, that's 3,5% towards actual defence, and 1,5% towards defence adjacent projects, like cybersecurity and infrastructure. NATO concluded that many bridges and roads in Europe are not made for heavy tanks and artillery to drive over them and this needs to be fixed. 1,5% of the total GDP of the EU is a LOT of money. Caveat: I expect politicians to stretch the definition of 'defence adjacent' to proposterous areas. Another tip: don't take investment advice from strangers on the internet.
A lot hinges on America's continued role in NATO, in my opinion. I bought euro defense stocks earlier this year because Trump has made it clear that not only does he want Europe to pay more for defense in NATO, but also that he's generally uninterested in the alliance at all, and beyond that, has made aggressive statements about assimilating Greenland and Canada. Oh, and also launched a trade war. Oh, and also generally favors the Russian talking points in their war against Ukraine. I think that short term drops could occur in the event that Trump starts talking more about getting more involved in NATO, or reaches a trade deal with Europe, or fiscal problems hit the Euro governments/economy. Or Russia miraculously decides it's done fighting (or runs out of money to, and no longer appears to be as much of a threat). Even so, I still think they'll be spending a lot more on defense for a long time to come.
He was actually a really good president (his admin. of course he was cooked) and he pinned Russia down in a quagmire with all of Europe and NATO behind us and encircled China But then we were like fuck it
Donald demands that Elon cede any claim to Crimea and promise to never join NATO before initiating talks
NATO wouldn't go nuclear. They would use conventional weapons and kill Vladimir Putin first.
My dude, read the memorandum. https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf There's nothing in there that requires one country to come to the defense of Ukraine. It's a promise not to attack or extort Ukraine, but there are no clauses where if one country does it the other four have to come to its defense. YOU use basic logic. You think the United States and Great Britain are going to give "we have to go to war with Russia over it and probably start WW3" status to Ukraine the way it would to a core NATO member?
NATO would have to respond to that. I believe their rhetoric right now is that they would only respond with conventional weapons and use it to blow up all of Russia's nuclear weaponry. So it depends what happens after that...
I agree with you on the leap in Rheinmettall, but I do think it's sustainable. Trump has threatened to pull out of NATO, and his tariffs have damaged EU trade relations for years to come. I think EU is prepping to disconnect from US; don't want to rely on US going forward if Russia becomes a problem. B/c every 4 years US could flip-flop with a different president going hot/cold on helping NATO. Folks trying to defend their countries can't do so with an unstable ally like that. So, EU is trying to position itself to go it alone. That means EU (and even British def stocks, like BAE Systems) are getting pumped full of cash to start the foundries and crank out stuff for years to come to fill the gap if US pulls out of NATO or take on Russia. I really hate saying this, b/c when def stocks go up massively, it means folks are wagering on potential wars and international tensions.
the problem with defense sector doing well is usually b/c it's leading up to war. EU defense stocks are sky rocketing, b/c Trump keeps threatening to pull out of NATO, or not get involved in Russia decides to move into Europe. So, Rheinmetal, Rolls Royce, BAE Systems, etc are all going up. I still think there's plenty of action left even though they've massively spiked, b/c what EU is trying to do is quickly militarize to the point that US pull-out of NATO won't be missed. That's going to require a LOT of build-out. If you don't want to do a specific stock, there's defense ETF's that cover various areas. SHLD - Global X Def Tech ETF (all nations + police and security companies) NATO - Themes Transatlantic Def ETF (NATO countries US + EU) EUAD - Select STOXX Europe Aero & Def ETF (EU only) ITA - iShares US Aero & Def ETF (US .. boeing, etc) You can hedge your bets buy splitting your money across all 4, or you can do ITA for US + EUAD for EU. Trump wants to put a lot of $ into military, so don't completely get out of US def sec. But, EU is having to massively build up things.
>Don't suffer threats, Russia does not call the shots. Russia has been threatened for a long time, that's why they Built more military capability than NATO, whh they have more and better weapons, and why they aren't letting nato call the shots anymore. No one can stop them from doing anything they want at this time, other than nuclear strikes. >Europe's arsenal is ready to fire. All country's Arsenal are ready to fire, that's why they exist.
The US is 4% of the world population. Countries are decoupling themselves from this christian fascist hegemony that is dumbly against DEI. They have made it clear they won't honor the NATO treaty and threaten their close partners with war and taking their territory or even entire country. They are haters like Russia. It's amazing how they threw away their global hegemony for this jerk. 4% of the market is hard to trade with, we can ignore it.
Well, we're actually trying to get some kind of "European spirit" up to bolster military enlistment. Realistically, Germans will be fighting (or at least start the defense) in Lithuania if Russia ever decides they want to attack NATO. Problem is, many Germans don't feel like defending their country, so they would probably ask "why die for Vilnius?"… It needs to be framed as "defending our freedoms as a liberal democracy, vs. allowing Putin to opress us". Now let's not talk about the Germans who would actually prefer Russian opression, if it means that there are less migrants and being LGBT+ is illegal.
My guess is this will be more NATO/Ukraine focused but who knows.
You should open up your mind. Look at what is going on in China. I work at a company with a lot of factory labor. People do dangerous jobs that are inherently inefficient because you have to keep them safe. Other people do rote mechanical jobs. Within 3-5 years these jobs will be able to be done by robots. These jobs account for around 30% of our op ex. These robots will be trained simply by speaking English because they will have embedded LLM capabilities. This isn’t science fiction. This isn’t in the future. A Chinese firm is selling these things now. They are sold out. Look at the specs and you see all nvidia cards. Look at the war in Russia. Ukraine is a tiny military compared to the US and NATO. Think about the demand when the US decides to go all in on drones. I don’t know how many nvidia chips the latest fight needs. But I know it’s way fewer than a 50 million drone army needs. I could be wrong and media could be Cisco. But they sure as hell aren’t pets.com.
Technically NATO when we expanded way beyond what we agreed to after the Cold War. More recently, the Ukraine has/had been committing atrocities against ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine In 2014, NATO teamed up with the neo nazis to overthrow the government in Ukraine
They had to bring in some dudes from North Korea to try to help out. If they actually had all this manpower and ability we wouldn't be on year 3 of a 3-day operation to take over the country. I don't think any of these people think they need to re-arm NATO to fight off the Russians. They probably think they need to re-arm because they don't trust the Trump administration, and NATA without the US is different. They'd still no-dif the Russians.
Because Russia looks like an unbeatable fighting force. Without the threat of nukes, NATO could probably take over in a week and be welcomed as liberators.
# ‘We Have No Other Choice’: US Envoy to NATO Says Allies Must Outpace Russia, Urges More Defense Spending Everyday I say the same, defense stocks are the play because the money printer only keeps getting more juice.
I see (re:NATO spend). Yeah I feel similarly. I missed the boat (re:Hanwha), but nice to see I was headed in the right direction. Maybe next time :) I first heard about Hanwha from browsing r/CredibleDefense several months ago (first heard about Kongsberg Gruppen there too). And I believe you mentioned ship building here over 6 months ago and creemeeseason mentioned CNRD in that conversation. I ended up looking into that and investing, and that has doing well recently (after a long consolidation period). Going to keep holding that and CW and see where we go.
Not sure either. I think there is still news about NATO spending. I’m really bad with international stocks, since the screeners I use don’t get all their fundamentals. Stoked I was ahead of the curve with my thinking at least lol.
Working together with the US is in Italy's interest. And both countries get along. Tekne needs Nuburu to compete with Leonardo and Thales on SHORAD systems. Nuburu already has a DoD contract to design high energy weapons. Tekne has counter drone abilities. Whitaker just said that NATO needs to up the ante in defense, to stay ahead of Russia. They fit. TECHNOLOGY: Italy to Lead EU Project to Develop Mobile Laser Weapon Systems for Air Defense. https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2025/technology-italy-to-lead-eu-project-to-develop-mobile-laser-weapon-systems-for-air-defense
If you’re hunting for a stock that feels like an asymmetric crypto play—but with actual cash flow and geopolitical tailwind—look at Rheinmetall (RNMBY). Defense-industrial, German, old-world balance sheet meets new-world chaos premium. It’s a NATO proxy, an EU industrial renaissance play, and a bet on the permanence of global rearmament. And it’s still underowned by the same retail crowd that piles into Solana because it’s “fast.” Another gem: Manhattan Associates (MANH). Sounds boring. But it’s quietly becoming the central nervous system of global supply chains. While crypto fights over L1 throughput and rollups, MANH is already embedded in the enterprise layer. It’s a software position that institutional investors treat like a utility. That’s exactly when it outperforms—when nobody’s watching. Point is: Don’t mirror the herd’s myopia. Zoom out. Diversify your asymmetry. Crypto taught you to love convexity—stocks just teach you how to survive the winter.
Japan Status: Drifted Apart Summary: Relations with China have worsened since January 2025 due to Japan’s alignment with U.S. policies under Trump, including tightened export controls on Chinese tech (e.g., semiconductors) and increased defense spending (2% of GDP target by 2027). Disputes over the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands persist, with China’s 2023 “standard map” escalating tensions. China’s retaliatory tariffs (34% on Japanese goods, April 2025) in response to U.S.-led trade measures strain economic ties under RCEP. Japan’s role in the Quad and U.S. military cooperation further widens the gap. 2. South Korea Status: Stable Summary: South Korea maintains balanced relations with China since January 2025. Economic ties remain strong, with China as a top trading partner via RCEP, and trilateral trade talks with Japan and China on March 30, 2025, aim to counter U.S. tariffs. However, security alignment with the U.S., including joint military exercises and THAAD deployment, sustains tensions. No significant shifts in ties have occurred, as South Korea navigates economic dependence on China and U.S. security commitments. 3. Australia Status: Drifted Apart Summary: Australia’s relations with China have deteriorated since January 2025, driven by alignment with U.S. policies via AUKUS and the Quad. China imposed tariffs (10–15% on agricultural goods, March 2025) in retaliation for U.S. tariffs, straining trade. Australia’s increased defense spending and U.S. military hosting, alongside disputes over China’s South China Sea actions, widen the rift. Economic ties, once robust, face challenges as Australia prioritizes U.S.-led security initiatives. 4. Philippines Status: Drifted Apart Summary: Tensions with China have escalated since January 2025 due to South China Sea disputes. China’s intensified coastguard patrols and island-building clash with U.S.-Philippines military cooperation, including joint exercises and expanded U.S. base access under the 2014 Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement. The Philippines’ alignment with U.S. policies under Trump, particularly on maritime security, has further distanced relations, with no progress on bilateral talks. 5. European Allies (Germany, France, UK) Status: Drifted Apart Summary: EU-NATO allies have moved further from China since January 2025, aligning with Trump’s anti-China policies. The EU joined U.S. semiconductor export controls (January 27, 2025) and is investigating Chinese electric vehicle subsidies. China’s retaliatory tariffs (34% on EU goods, April 2025) and non-tariff barriers strain trade. Germany, France, and the UK support U.S.-led “de-risking” from Chinese supply chains, prioritizing security concerns over Taiwan and human rights over economic ties. Overall Assessment Drifted Apart: Japan, Australia, the Philippines, and European allies (Germany, France, UK) have drifted further from China due to Trump’s trade tariffs (10–20% on Chinese goods, rising to 34%), security alignments (Quad, AUKUS, NATO), and China’s retaliatory measures and assertive actions (e.g., South China Sea). Stable: South Korea is the exception, maintaining stable ties due to economic interdependence via RCEP, despite security tensions with the U.S. alliance. No Closer Ties: No major U.S. ally has grown closer to China, as Trump’s policies and China’s responses reinforce strategic and economic divides.
Yeah right. As per usual, reddit will start talking about NATO countries going to war with each other because of Trump and will sit on the side lines again if the market crashed.
Laugh all you want but it’s true. The US contributes more to NATO than all the European countries combined. They have the largest Navy by far and keep global shipping lanes safe. They’ve effectively fought a proxy war in Ukraine when Europe is far more affected my Russian aggression than the US. They spend exponentially more on defense and military spending than pretty much any other country on the planet, and operate bases all over the world which creates a powerful defense network that all of the European countries benefit from. Denmark benefits from all of this, not to mention a US air base operating out of Denmark-owned Greenland.
Denmark has the GDP of a US city. We all celebrate that you will finally meet your NATO obligations. See you in Greenland, now under the umbrella of the US Northern Command.
People see what looks like huge damage to the US government, and want data to backup what they see "before the market reacts" ... the problem is that most of the data they want to see will take months or years before it becomes obvious, and then decades to fix. Bad will from killing millions of people by illegally stopping funding of USAID/etc. Pulling out of NATO will make a lot of things "we want" way more expensive, or just not possible. Destroying funding for science research, basically selling most of our best scientists to other countries for less than nothing. Destroying trust in dept. of health, etc. Reality is more likely a slow decline over the next 12 years as investment/knowledge moves out of the US on one side and on the other the US govt./people have to pay more for everything. Who knows we might even have something that looks a bit like a democratic election in four years so everyone can blame it on the democrats.
I think very few Americans know enough about China. All the neighboring countries, except South Korea, have been sort of intimidated by China. China can basically do anything. The CPP is a bit like NATO-obsessed democratic America.
The US economy doesn't rely on trade as much as other countries do. This is part of the reason for the current tariffs. US exports as percentage of GDP rank 183 out of 195 in the world. We barely do any trade with other countries relative to the size of our economy. US imports as percentage of GDP rank 191 out of 195. Our biggest exports are things like soybeans and oil and gas. But our economy does not rely on those exports. We also don't rely on a ton of imports since we produce all of our own energy and most of our food. There are some critical technology imports that are low total dollar value but would take some time to replace like rare earth minerals from China and semiconductors from Taiwan/Japan/Korea. For national security purposes we need to onshore those. Most of our position in the global order comes from our protective military umbrella. We spend \~1T a year on defense and a chunk of that goes to defending allies and global trade lanes (NATO, Japan, Korea, Australia, Ukraine, etc).
Let's see..... Canadian government, Nova Scotia government, NATO, US Space Force, Ministry of National Defense, US DoD, three launch partners, Voyager Space, Nanoracks, Think Orbital, The Spaceport Company, Dalhousie University, Canadian Space Agency all are involved. The feds and province are covering 60% of the capex. They were thoroughly vetted through both those processes. Any proof to your claim to back it up?
Assuming those weren't NATO drones, very bold and stunningly brave
Will go up insanely you will see. Did a lot of research in this company their products are insane. NATO countries are already buying a lot and integrating their systems in naval defense. Even singapore bought for hundreds of millions. European nato countries focussing in the 900 bln REARM europe project on small and midsize companies too and give them the most contracts. Will be insane i see this company go to 200$/share in a year
NATO policy is to retailate with non-nuclear arsenal first fyi.
That isn't at all true. Article 5 is only triggered by a direct attack on a member state of NATO. Ukraine isn't one, and fallout on the wind isn't a direct attack.
Yeah I'm more worried about how Taco handles not being told about it, already seeing fringe psychos saying it's a reason to leave NATO
Within a week they'll have totally-not-nuclear-tipped NATO warheads in Ukraine, within earshot of Moscow. This Putin bad egomaniac narrative is naive.
Nuclear fallout will trigger an Article 5 with NATO. At that point, Russia is done as a country.
I like to back self interest. I expect Russian generals to carry out orders to start a conventional war against Ukraine, even attack civilians. Win or lose, they are unlikely to face any personal repercussions (except in instances where they are removed for incompetence as some have). However, carrying out orders to escalate to a nuclear wear massively increases personal risk - it would mean what’s left of Ukraine won’t care about any restrictions put on it by the west. And NATO and the west may or may not indeed finally decide this is the last line crossed and intervene. Who knows? But do generals want to gamble their lives and the lives of their families on it? I think not. Putin ordering a nuclear strike is admission of his failure as Russias strongman leader, and that he has lost the war, and he will be deposed and replaced by someone from the military. Make no mistake, Putin’s leadership rests solely on his ability to ‘win’, and escalating to a nuclear war is not showing that you are ‘winning’.
Russia won't use nukes unless it's really desperate to rescue the situation, and this doesn't really change the facts on the ground. Not out of fear of NATO though. Mainly because China and India don't want them to Russia *will* bomb the fuck out of something though. Maybe with the Oreshnik. I do think they will extract a very painful pound of flesh for this. Hopefully too many civilians don't die. But the danger of this spiraling seems low. Hence the markets
It depends on where and its yield in my opinion. During the Cold War it might have triggered an immediate response. Today I’m not so certain. There might be loud protests, UN, NATO whatever, but the military response would be measured.
Russia does not operate on a rational level as we in the west would understand it. Because Ukraine was successful in this attack Putin cannot be perceived to back down now or else he will look weak and he would become vulnerable domestically. The bombers are first strike nuclear options, their loss would not survive a first strike against Russia so this does not ruin their nuclear deterrence against NATO. If anything this attack means Russia will be less likely to accept a peace deal in the near term.
NATO bombed planes by puppettering Ukraine.
Ukraine took the phrase "bears are going extinct" literally and decided to blow up a bunch **Tupolev Tu-95** ([Russian](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language): Туполев Ту-95; [NATO reporting name](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_reporting_name): "**Bear**") IRL
Anyone who is believing that UK or France will use nuclear weapons in order to defend NATO east flank must be highly regarded.
Bulgaria is in the EU, NATO, and soon the Eurozone. The share price of BSE is up over 35% over the past year
https://www.chietitoday.it/economia/tekne-fiom-vertenza-segnali-positivi-rilancio.html Tekne has posted news, it's only in italian. You can translate the article. They are careful, being under the "golden power" review. But they clearly state the same in formation as Nuburu. And they are not negating anything now. They already have NATO contracts, you need to be discrete then. On the way = June. They are just as eager as Nuburu to make a move. All their peers, like Rheinmetall and Leonardo are making moves in the SHORAD space. With Nuburu their blue laser tech, it is their opportunity to do the same.
Ya seems like now we’re turning our trade and military partnerships away from the US and more towards Europe. And also we just bought a new radar system from Australia. But ya very grateful Canada is still part of The Commonwealth so when Trump goes off it’s 2 against 1. Or UK plus 14 countries hopefully the whole Commonwealth has our back just like Denmark has Greenland’s back. Plus we’re in NATO so we expect them to say something on our behalf too
Most of the world economy is not the US. The rest of the world will increasingly trade with each other, while the factories in the US will be limited options for domestic consumption receiving less investment because the US's trade policy and instability makes them non-viable on the global stage. A simple microcosm: Boeing won't be able to compete with Airbus when they're paying 25% more for aluminum and any time they place an order for a global part that part price can swing to +100% on a whim. Boeing's military exports will in turn suffer because the US has decided to be openly hostile to the rest of NATO. Further the storm will not pass on that because both parties and the American people accepted it with a shrug so long as the government stayed open.
> I just can’t look at the current chaos being inflicted by the administration, from betraying our allies, leveling worldwide tariffs at unheard-of levels, backing away from soft power and NATO, etc. and conclude they collectively will not significantly impact US economic growth. And yet you can look at those things and conclude that they will significantly impact US economic growth. There are many, many reasons that these factors could accelerate the US economy because they reduce drag from various sources. Tariffs are less likely to make goods more expensive than most think, due to the effect of currency devaluation. It is more likely to reduce profits on the part of exporter nations but they will absorb those costs for the same reason Walmart can negotiate the best prices with its consumers. We have not really seen any shocks to the supply chain at this point, other than anecdotal evidence which has been widely seized on by the media. Travel business - yes, that one is valid. Weakened dollar is a good thing.
\> Did you forget the mineral deal? So USA just started sending resources and aid to Ukraine this year? Was there a mineral deal when we first started sending aid? \> A significant portion of the US aid has not been sent to Ukraine and was spent in the US on its defence sector instead. Read up on it. Sure, send me a source to back it up and I will. My understanding is the money goes to US defense contractors to buy up their existing supply which then gets sent to Ukraine and then the contractors restock their supply fresh. \> I think you may have misinterpreted what was meant by ‘society first.’ It means decisions made within a single country place the needs and wants of a society above the needs and wants of a business. That's just an arbitrary definition that you made up though. You could just re-define 'society' as the world community or European Union instead of a single country and then that argument falls apart. Maybe you guys are "society first" within your own little bubbles or countries, but if anything happens in the broader society you do not behave in a "society first" manner, i.e. you are not placing the needs and wants of other people within society above the wants of your own personal business. See the NATO requirement gaps and the outsized support for Ukraine from another non-European country. \> You may have got yourself slightly bent out of shape for nothing here This is a discussion, nothing personal on my end. Maybe we can agree that yes, in Spain for example, there is a country-level "society first" mentality, but when you stretch society to mean anything outside of those bounds it fails to stand to scrutiny.
There is no US responsibility to help Ukraine either, yet we do it. A "society first" country would never even consider what the legal requirements are, they would just do it if they are so altruistic, right? Also, there is a specific requirement to be in NATO and some of your countries seem to disregard that and pass the buck onto other societies. Not very "society first", seems like they're acting out of self interest. We aren't being forced, we are stepping in to protect a country that cannot be protected by it's peers and neighbors because they are unwilling/unable to. \> But ok, when has the US stepped into the Ukraine Russia war like you seem to be claiming? # United States Aid to Ukraine * **Total Allocated**: Approximately $175 billion through five supplemental appropriation acts from FY 2022 to FY 2024. [Ukraine Oversight](https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/?utm_source=chatgpt.com) # European Union Aid to Ukraine * **Total Allocated**: Approximately €132 billion ($138.75 billion) in financial, military, and humanitarian assistance since January 2022. [European Commission+3Reuters+3BBC+3](https://www.reuters.com/world/how-much-aid-have-ukraines-western-allies-provided-2025-03-04/?utm_source=chatgpt.com) Does that answer your question? Why is a completely unrelated country that doesn't even exist on the same continent as Ukraine giving more support than the entirety of Europe? Doesn't seem like "society first" to me.
That's fine. Just don't act like you guys are "openly society first" when we are all watching your people get killed by Russian drones and tanks while we're the only ones seemingly willing to step in. That's objectively "us first" not "society first". Not only do you guys not want to fight for other people, but France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.. don't even want to meet the bare minimum NATO requirements. With all due respect, y'all don't give a fuck about anyone but yourselves.
> I just can’t look at the current chaos being inflicted by the administration, from betraying our allies, leveling worldwide tariffs at unheard-of levels, backing away from soft power and NATO, etc. and conclude they collectively will not significantly impact US economic growth I agree. But it seems that the trade court took tariffs off the table yesterday and the tariffs were the main thing that was going to impact economic growth in the short to medium term. The other issues you mention (betraying allies, giving up soft power and I'll add destroying the US university system which has been the envy of the world) won't have in impact right away it'll take a few years for those impacts to really sink in.