NATO

elpresidentedeljunta

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bacondavis

Gandalv @Microinteracti1 Here is a thought experiment that several analysts keep returning to: if a president actually wanted to dismantle American superpower status, what would he be doing differently from what Trump is doing right now? Consider the record. He has feuded with NATO and cast doubt on the alliance guarantee that anchored Western security for 70 years. He has slapped tariffs on the EU and individual European allies, and this week launched a 50 percent trade war against Canada, America's closest partner. He has pressured South Korea and Japan over troop costs while courting their adversaries. Gulf states, battered by the Iran war, now question the American security umbrella so openly that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan just signed their own mutual defence pact. Sanctions and Hormuz chaos are pushing oil trade toward the yuan, eroding the dollar's reserve role while national debt passes 40 trillion. And through it all, he speaks warmly of Putin and Kim Jong Un while insulting the billion people living under allied flags. Superpower status rests on three pillars: alliances, the dollar, and credibility. All three are being sawed at simultaneously. So what explains it? Option A: sheer ignorance, a government that simply does not understand how the world works. Option B: revenge, a man settling scores with an establishment he believes wronged him. Option C: outside pressure, someone else's interests being served. None of these options is comforting. And the pattern remains the same whichever one you pick.

Solid_College_9145

Both Trump & Putin totally understand what NATO is about. What Trump is doing is much worse than just being ignorant about NATO. He knows exactly what he is doing. Upon returning from his first trip to the USSR in 1987, the first thing he did was buy full page open letter ads disparaging NATO in all the major US newspapers with cash money that he didn't even have to his own name.

AtomicBlondeeee

NATO is just a way to keep the peace in Europe. We don’t need them- they need us.

LXXXVI

It coming from a person thinking that Russia has a magic wand and that NATO covers wars in Asia, I don't think I'll take your statement seriously.

highdimensionaldata

Once again NATO have let us down by not attacking the bond market.

Btct159

Leaving NATO means losing lots of military income from weapon standardization. Say goodbye to the military industrial complex

LXXXVI

What and more importantly how would the Russians do in the Balkans? The region that, you know, is completely cut off from Russia by EU member states? Also, what do you think NATO has to do with Taiwan?

Jhastam

What do you know about Russian agendas? It’s always been NATO pushing the limits, always NATO getting closer and closer to Russian borders. After the USSR fell Russia extended their hand in peace NATO pushed the NO.

Intelligent-Ad-7182

It’s your war, you idiot. Also NATO countries were part of previous wars US started. Not only it was a waste of money and resources, European countries also ended up with millions of refugees!

ScotchCigarsEspresso

I wasn't defending our approach. Simply stating how article one of the NATO pact works. Those are two different things.

PretendIntention3388

Sure, but if responding to that act of terrorism was the goal, NATO would have attacked Langley, VA and Tel Aviv. I fail to see how turning Afghanistan into the opium production Capitol of the world served any defensive goals.

imrickjamesbioch

Dude has been a Russian Asset from the moment his fat ass got off the escalator. He’s the only president to meet in secrecy with the US biggest adversary and not have those meetings recorded or notes taken. In fact he forced the interpreter to destroy their notes and I believe Putin is the only one that’s brings an interpreter now to their “discussions”. Regardless, at this point I don’t think NATO gives two shits what Fame Jesus has to say or does. 1. This isn’t 1950 and NATO doesn’t need the US to defend themselves. 2. US, Israel, and Russia are the only countries starting wars or committing genocide in the world. So theres no need for the US to show up cuz they aren’t starting any illegal wars. 3. The orange shitz his pants has been planning on leaving NATO since his first term, just like he planned on invading Iran. However the fake Christian party has been cock blocking him to this point cuz the moment the US pulls out of NATO, it ceases to be a Superpower. 4. Why? Cuz the US would be booted out of every military base in a NATO country. Also trade with the US would be limited cuz the EU has already pivoted to China who sadly is a more stable country and trading partner. Then once the gulf states realize the US can’t protect them, there would be zero need for US bases in the region. 5. Leaving only Israel, Russia, and maybe North Korea (doubt it) as allies. Japan seen the writing on the wall and has already opening negotiations with S Korean and China to strengthen their relationships between each other. The only thing PDF-47 has united is the world against the US. I suppose that was Putin plan all along, he just needed to find a traitor to execute his plan.

Chance_Preparation_5

What he doesn’t understand is NATO will have 0 reasons to over pay for American weapons.

Forsaken-Cattle152

Is anyone taking him still serious? NATO in the morning, beef at night.

PretendIntention3388

Allegedly, yet NATO did join the US in the imperialistic "war on terror."

PretendIntention3388

He is doing this because Israel wants to go to war with Turkey, a NATO member.

donsimoni

It gets even better: Trump wanted to take his flying bribe from Katar to a NATO summit in Turkey. It's nowhere near the security standards of a presidential plane. Iran threatened to shoot it down. They probably couldn't, but Private Bonespurs was so afraid, he had an alternative organized. That's what the food truck was used for. But it doesn't even end here: barely anyone was informed and flew on the regular plane. Unknowingly. Hegseth, Rubio, security advisors, some press and handpicked bootlickers. Trump is not just a coward, he'd let a significant part of his own staff be shot down without hesitation.

STINEPUNCAKE

He’s been talking about leaving NATO since his first campaign. We put way too much money into it and we were supposed to stay in so Europe can build a military after ww2 then leave. We should have been gone already

The69Camaroz28

Somebody in his admin please tell him what NATO is for. Maybe spell and show him a picture of defense only or explain what it is NATO does. He can not be this ignorant or the people around him choose to let him be an idiot center stage sounds more like it

JustSayinIt4YouNow

Stunned every NATO country doesn’t stop doing biz with any member of the trump family. Iran sure has the right idea regarding him and his family, a lot of people are saying.

Intelligent-Parsley7

He wants to be in control of NATO. His horrible ambitions are infinite. He's upset he can't order a strike with other soldiers. You know, just like how Netanyahu did with us.

donutloop

>In 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868

malawito

Does this mean that a NATO country is about to get attacked??

OldCaape

Paving the way for Israel to attack Turkey a NATO member….

D3ATHTRaps

Remimder to the americans that NATO countries sent their men to afghanistan in solidarity with the united states, and that the united states is the only country to of declared that article 5

Twisted9Demented

He always wanted to leave NATO what's new ... The Question to Ask Trump is .. When America Fought wars in IRAQ IRAN and AFGHANISTAN Which were all the wars Encouraged by Israel why didn't Israel join offered combat support.

Capt1an_Cl0ck

Well, in this case, it was decided who the United States should attack. And yes, he does not understand that NATO is a defensive alliance. No country is going to wade into a useless war in the Middle East especially because it’s being spearheaded by Trump and a drunk Fox News weekend host.

bigred1978

He can't quit NATO without Congress voting on it, and even they won't vote for that.

RustledForeskin

The US has invaded 8 sovereign nations since 1950 along with innumerable clandestine hostile acts of various forms of terrorism, primarily economic. The first 2 wars after WW2, the dems were in power, the last 6 the reps were in power. Every time there is a massive propaganda campaign to guilt other countries into joining some coalition of the damned with americans threatening to leave NATO. You're viewed now as the bad guys and leaving NATO will make you North Korea adjacent.

richardcranium89

He understands. He’s trying to create leverage. I believe him to be a terrible leader and despicable human being, but the idea that he doesn’t understand how NATO legally works is nonsense.

vasquca1

Can we afford NATO status?

agentSmartass

He doesn't understand that NATO gives the us army a solid, safe and committed footprint on the other side of the Atlantic ocean. Incalculable value.

StevieWonder557

Hence why NATO didnt fight in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq etc

StevieWonder557

Shorting US Defense contractors now who get huge amount of $$$ selling into NATO nations.

politics

Continues to move Russian agendas forward. Nothing is more important for Russian aggressors than a destabilized NATO / weakened U.S.

Welikeme23

Can he even pull the US out of NATO by himself? Not that this administration hasn't done anything they want regardless of the law.

Plexus84

Ok good we European NATO members can continue to not trust in US and keep building our own joint defense!

highdimensionaldata

I take it this is the signal for Putin to “test NATO’s resolve” with some kind of incursion.

mkrugaroo

I mean it's quite obviously a slow gradual plan to make countries like Russia and North Korea allies in the eyes of the American public. With the goal to undermine the EU and other alliances. There is a lot of trust in NATO, but give it a few decades and the American public will eventually see Europe as an enemy

DryToe1269

NATO does not work for you ! You ignorant traitor!

Exodys03

And when NATO doesn't do everything he wants, he is going to withdraw the U.S. from NATO. This will make a friend of his on the other side of the globe very happy indeed.

Plus_Working_3092

Oh. He’s using the logic of a schoolyard bully. He invaded another country without a clear reason, without a goal, without a plan to end the war he started. And he did it without building consensus with NATO members. Now factor in his total boarish behavior, and outright threats against their sovereignty and the value of NATO. He’s worked against NATO and oftentimes against the USA best interests since his election.

BusyCryptographer544

Trump is used to deal with hoes, and thinks NATO is one of them

Intelligent-Parsley7

This is all part of a larger story that Russia is gearing up for strikes against NATO countries in a few months. Kind of an interesting moment, right? Russia is prepping an attack, and Trump says he’s not going to honor Article 5. He’s more than a clown. He’s a monster.

DyerNC

Unforgivable.  NATO pack supports attacks ON NATO members not attacks BY NATO members.  This is a green light to Russia.  

RatkeA

here, I fixed this: U.S President Trump says since NATO didn’t join the Epstein coalition, they don’t have to show up for NATO

Affectionate-Rise988

Total NATO Budget: The total shared budget is estimated at €5.3 billion (~$6.06 billion) for 2026.The U.S. Share: Under a cost-sharing formula capped in 2021, the U.S. directly contributes a 16% share of this common fund.Annual U.S. Direct Cost: This equates to roughly $970 million per year paid directly to NATO.

OldMan1901

He treats NATO as his private army

AlexanderTheGrate1

So we like North Korea and we hate NATO. Got it.

Kpets

Trump as usual doesn’t understand that NATO is a defense alliance, not for attacking whom ever the U.S on a whim decides to go to war against

Kpets

Trump intensifies threats to pull the U.S. out of NATO over Iran war rift.The future of the transatlantic alliance is hanging by a thread. Amid escalating tensions, reports are surging that President Donald Trump is pushing closer to an official U.S. withdrawal from NATO after European nations flatly refused to join military operations against Iran.Trump has blasted the organization as a "paper tiger," publicly scolding key European allies for failing to back the U.S. naval blockade in the Strait of Hormuz. The president argued that while America spends trillions of dollars to maintain European security, allies are quick to distance themselves when Washington requests reciprocal support.While mainstream foreign policy experts express deep concern over dismantling the 77-year-old defense coalition, Trump's "America First" base views the potential exit as a necessary step to keep the U.S. from subsidizing uncooperative allies.

MikeCheck_CE

I'm not an expert on them entirely but I know that they recently acquired BIRD Aerosystems, an Israeli-origin company and its airborne missile-protection/ISR technology into ONDS. BIRD has systems deployed on hundreds of aircraft globally. That seems to me a more meaningful connection rather than simply an incidental customer relationship. I do still hold some defense stocks, but I try to keep ones that are focused on NATO allies (and maybe occasionally selling to Israel/ Middle East) and not doing business with them directly. I did a bit of other digging into it after I realized and can tell you that: I'm a hard no on: Elbit, Rafael, IAI as pretty directly involved with Israel. And I'd probably avoid: LMT, RTX, NOC, GD, Boeing, L3Harris as Israel being a pretty meaningful market for them.

Sea_Local2557

\- toppled Maduro but same party in power \- killed Khamenei and now another Khamenei with blood vengeance is in power \- inflation up \- Middle East in flames \- caused chaos in NATO \- befriends dictators Putin, Orban and Kim yep, super successful

TheGumCoblin

They’d get obliterated, it’s apart of the NATO block. They can’t even beat Ukraine with spare donations. Let alone the United full force of NATO. Even without the US, again they can’t even beat Ukraine. France alone would be enough backup.

halfbeerhalfhuman

Trump is the one who tore the Nuclear deal apart... and then attacked Iran.. Now he wants Iran to agree to a Nuclear deal, and is beginng the NATO to support. Sounds like he doesnt have the cards.

HabitAcceptable8621

Allies? Who the FUCK is he talking about. Not The EU, not The UK. That cunt has threatened to invade 2 of the US's former allies and imposed punitive sanctions on its former allies in NATO because they sent a trigger force to Greenland. Fuck the US!

Strict-Drama-3973

Denmark was one of the first nations to rally when US called the NATO article in the war against Sadam. I'd like to see Trump try that now...

_AkasunaNoSasori

What you're seeing on news is an engagement bait. I'm not saying that's fake but over exaggerated. Multipolarization is not happening, it's just hegemon being paranoid. Even those oppose US doesn't want China to be powerful. As for Iran, a self inflicted attack on NATO soil will drag everyone there and can easily end the conflict.

MiniMotiv

India and China are in that same group that stiffly ignores western policy in favor of supporting more radical anti US ideology veiled as "independence". If you look up their policy on things like buying Russian oil or supplying arms when NATO allies basically all condemned Russian for invading Ukraine, they basically said we will do whatever we feel is in our best interest

WSBpeon69420

Well they are just not many that really matter in a global stage. NATO isn’t but the majority of the rest of the world is to include stronger ties with OPEC countries. Many South American countries had close ties but are shifting back to either regional alliances or more traction with the US only because of their previous ties with China. Africa is basically owned by China at this point. A lot of Asian countries minus South Korea Japan and the Philippines have close ties because they need to. But in reality China is the only other nation that has the ability to have a reserve currency or at least have the influence to shift countries away from the dollar. Even if the yuan is bullshit and basically Monopoly money on a worse scale than the dollar. The more we fuck around the more we drive people away from the US and the dollar especially by weaponizing the dollar

emperorjoe

> increase pricing year after year Yearly price escalators either at cpi, set percentage, or based on input costs. And the response from the military with a flat budget is to cut procurement numbers and programs. They are set contracts, there is no price increase because Lockheed wants to charge more this year or demand is up. The Pentagon and the armed service committee determine production and procurement levels. > Why do you think we spend so much? Because the US economy if fucking massive, literally 50% larger then every nato nation combined. And we spend as a percentage of GDP on defense...the minimum NATO requirement is 3.5%-5% of GDP on defense that is 1.1- 1.6 trillion dollars per year minimum. > It's a link between the Pentagon and the higher-ups making money from these companies. Yes because those officers understand the procurement process, what the military wants and is looking for as well as connections to current staff. Then the fact that those officers have masters and doctorates in their respective fields and have decades of experience leading a massive organization.....it's why officers go right to executive positions in companies after departure from service. > Famous YouTuber, Johnny Harris made a great video explaining this correlation. Either learn to articulate an argument yourself or don't make one. Don't use a YouTuber as an argument as an adult

MeYouThemEveryone

Prediction market: will 🌮 bomb the shit out of Oman or Poutine attacks NATO first?

Striking_Economy5049

If the US deploys nukes, World War three starts, because Russia will nuke Ukraine, then NATO will nuke Russia.

Simplyspent

Are you effing kidding me? How any f-ing veteran can support this piece of shit is beyond me… What a traitor. Trump in China is known as “the China builder”, he routinely praises president Xi. He shits on a democracy like Ukraine, and basically talks about how he and Putin are great buddies… He wants the United States out of NATO, and now he’s praising Kim Jong-un. The South Koreans are our allies, they are good people, I served alongside these guys and they don’t fuck around. I can’t believe it’s calmed down to Trump selling out America and being a complete traitor, and being cheered on by an ignorant, completely clueless mass of morons. Absolutely disgusting.

Adrian12094

we should also pull soldiers on NATO's eastern flank for iran

estoypooping2

That is legit how you get literal anchor babies. Also gonna be a no-no for NATO dawg.

octopus_serenader

a bunch of cops booing NATO like they know what the fuck it is...

2020isgreat

The U.S. is reportedly asking NATO allies to document not just their defense spending, but their political alignment with the Trump administration

Treverer

It’s a natural fortress. Rough waters, mountain ranges all throughout the southwestern coasts, foggy weather that’s hard to navigate and communicate through. Their air force is the best equipped and most modern in Europe with basically all F-35 II‘s and their army is specialised in warfare in their terrain, so deep snow, mountains and rugged coasts. Relatively they spend more than the US on their defense, in absolute terms they spend as much per capita and therefore really the only comparable NATO country in that regard. One in four is a reserve soldier or has at least served mandatory duty. They kick the US navy seals ass in NATO exercises with frightening ease. Warfare is changing quick as we see in the strait of Hummus and these numbers might be meaningless but they are basically Switzerland, I think they’ll manage just fine.

Brostradamus-2

They are part of NATO who, presumably, can.

stefeyboy

Why the fuck would they leave NATO? THAT'S your argument????

AR227

Really? Which ones left NATO or tried to kick us out?

jsands7

Ships are voluntarily choosing to not go through the Straight right now because of corporate bureaucracy. Trump can’t get on their ships and physically press their feet on the gas. Do you really think that the 10% or less of remaining Iranian forces are going to start blowing NATO-flagged civilian ships out of the water? lol

LeftValuable6614

I think a better analogy is Trump thinks he is playing poker, but the game is actually chess. Trump would bluff and say things like "I hold all the cards". But the game is actually chess where the position of each player can be seen by everyone. His poll numbers, popular support for the war, amount of missiles us has, NATO's appetite for any of this, all of these are known pieces on the board for everyone to see. So all Trumps moves and weaknesses are super predictable. The only person who can't see them is Trump cause he still thinks he is playing poker.

Opposite-Matter9952

This exactly. I am from Denmark, and here, a lot of people talk about Switzerland, like it is some Kind of promised land, and use it to argue for lowering taxes. It is easy to create a system like theirs, when you are fucking corwards who stays away from any armed conflict hidding behind "neutrality", which is only an option for them becuase they are burried in the depths of NATO contries, and no agressor can reach them, without going thorugh NATO terittory.

WickOfDeath

1d chess against 4d chess. Actually the 4d player wins by inactivity of 1d. To change that weaponry arsenals need to be refilled and NATO will be threatened by 100% tariffs if not joining Trumps ( hopeless) D-Day in Iran. And for such a thing he wont be backed by his people...

Substantial-Fun9958

I don't think it's an idea. It's an inevitability staring us down in the face but it seems so many people are still in denial of it. I've been following world news and history all this time and one thing that I realized is that war truly never changes... because people keep repeating it. This isn't even the first time China would attempt to invade Taiwan. They've tried it thrice already. And everytime, it was because the US was too much a superpower in deterring them. Harry Truman once even had to threaten Mao with a nuke to stop him from proceeding with the invasion. But this isnt the case anymore today. The US is a hollow shell of itself and the world has been turned against the west by successful coordinated Russian/Chinese propaganda all over social media. Even the west is turned against the west itself. So many people in western Europe can't even fanthom Russia starting a NATO war yet we're seeing it slowly unravel. Putin has practically no other option than to go all the way with this war to the very end. His goal is to gain back all pre-Soviet territories. Xi Jinping's goal is to fulfil Mao's dream of gaining back Taiwan. And these are the leaders who'll be in power for a very very long time.

SpideyMGAV

Gen. Chris Donahue – Commander of US Army Europe and Africa. [Gen. Randy George](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/general-randy-george-pete-hegseth-firing-us-army-chief-of-staff-amid-iran-war-article-153986058) – Army chief of staff and the Army's top officer. [Gen. David Hodne](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/general-randy-george-firing-pete-hegseth-general-david-hodne-major-general-william-green-jr-army-chief-of-staff-article-153985837) – Head of Army Transformation and Training Command. [Maj. Gen. William Green Jr.](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/general-randy-george-firing-pete-hegseth-general-david-hodne-major-general-william-green-jr-army-chief-of-staff-article-153985837) – Chief of Chaplains. Col. Dave Butler – Senior officer who worked closely with Gen. George. Lt. Gen. Joe McGee – Three-star Army officer. Adm. Alvin Holsey – Head of US Southern Command. Jon Harrison – Navy chief of staff. [Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kruse](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/who-is-lieutenant-general-jeffrey-kruse-and-why-did-us-defence-secretary-pete-hegseth-fire-him-article-152508972) – Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Rear Adm. Milton Sands – Navy SEAL officer and head of Naval Special Warfare Command. Gen. David Allvin – Chief of Staff of the Air Force. Gen. Timothy Haugh – Head of US Cyber Command and director of the National Security Agency. Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr. – Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. [Gen. James Slife](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/who-are-lisa-franchetti-and-james-slife-pete-hegseth-fires-tor-navy-and-air-force-officials-article-118467475) – Former vice chief of staff of the Air Force. [Adm. Linda Fagan](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/who-is-linda-lee-fagan-commandant-of-the-us-coast-guard-sacked-by-trump-hours-after-taking-office-article-117430751) – Commandant of the US Coast Guard. [Adm. Lisa Franchetti](https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/who-are-lisa-franchetti-and-james-slife-pete-hegseth-fires-tor-navy-and-air-force-officials-article-118467475) Lt. Gen. Jennifer Short Lt. Gen. Joseph B. Berger III – The Army's top military lawyer. Lt. Gen. Charles Plummer – The Air Force's top military lawyer. Vice Adm. Shoshana Chatfield – The only woman on NATO's military committee Per https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/pete-hegseth-pentagon-purge-list-20-senior-army-generals-cd-donahue-randy-george-article-154749304/amp But this list can also be found in various articles from Axios, Reuters, CBS, MSNBC.

jonneh

Bro wtf?? 🤣🤣 ***🥭 *****Said to Have Secretly Used Military Jet to Leave Turkey Amid Threats** President 🥭 hid in an airport catering container and was taken to a military jet for a secret flight out of country after the NATO summit last month.

npaulette02

Out of seeming desperation, Trump will either invade Iran and/or will end up using nuclear weapons on Iran. Iran has successfully implemented a war strategy of asymmetry using low-cost, low-tech means, and Trump will be sold on the fact that the US must adopt the same measures, utilizing our particular advantage and what's on the other side of the spectrum, high-tech, high-cost. Thereby putting into effect the never used weaponry the US does have in spades and in stockpiles, the nuclear inventory. The rest of the world, Europe, Asia, Africa, and NATO will be drawn into this war in earnest. It's already happening and skirmishes between periphery nations are in position to be more solidified. WWIII will truly break out as the Ruso-Ukranian War is ultimately merged with the war on Iran, pitting the "Western World" against the new so-called "Axis of Evil", any person or nation in disagreement or non-compliance with the aims of Western imperialism. At home, both Republicans and Democrats will work together in order to "suspend" the November midterms indefinitely, halting in it's tracks any gaining progressive momentum within the electoral political system. All of this while AI development and climate change reach increasingly dangerous and catastrophic levels.

jsands7

Turns out that Iraq wasn’t a simple combat operation either! But if an imploding middle eastern country actually starts taking actions to impair worldwide commerce and murdering innocent civilians from NATO countries, the militaries of the world are not just going to sit back and let their citizens die. If nothing else, they’re going to hand their missiles to America and let the ‘world’s police’ continue ever-increasing bombardment.

M1sfit_Jammer

Doesn’t matter if there is a German or French person on a ship if it doesn’t fly a NATO member flag

M1sfit_Jammer

see the thing here is the US is acting as an aggressor... NATO doesn't defend it's members if they are the aggressor... Iran knows how to play the geopolitical game and won't be baited into fighting 30 other countries... If anything you should be wondering why Iran's neighbors haven't responded with their own invasion for shooting missiles into their respective countries. Should be questioning why the US hasn't formed a ME coalition... NATO didn't join in on the US because of 9/11... some NATO countries did join in but because they were a force invading another country that NATO was not obligated to respond. NATO was not in support of invading Iraq as collective punishment for radicalized Saudis

jsands7

The closest situation we have is 9/11 when NATO was attacked and the Coalition Forces of dozens of countries physically invaded the offending country, so I imagine that’s what Iran could expect to happen

jsands7

Do you think they will blow up innocent sailors from NATO countries? How do you think those 32 countries would react if they were illegally attacked?

nicok1991

Bring out the football, I say it sounds like the baby supreme leader is dead or has been. Sounds like we need to re up on some patriots and need to get better interceptor drones the hypersonic missiles will always have a good hit rate. But we need to just say fuck it IMO and if we can't do it from the air do some Venezuela shit and let's get in and out problem is China is helping and Russia is giving Satellite and targeting data. Hey where's NATO?

Rockledge1758

Well, I’m drawn back to what Trump suggested at the end of his first term which was to withdraw from NATO. It’s not inconceivable that he just washes his hands of the whole situation. Says, ‘you know what this isn’t worth the hassle. We don’t really need the straight We’ll bring our troops home ( take my toys home with me lol ) he would leave all the monetary restrictions in place of course and just let the world figure out where it stands without big Brother, Uncle Sam cracking knuckles.

notapersonaltrainer

We're at a 230:1 shipbuilding deficit with China and all of NATO missile was [outproduced](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html) by Russia alone. The capex is going to expand no matter what unless the West just collectively surrenders power forever.

notapersonaltrainer

NATO democracies are never going to sustain a close-combat slugfest like we're seeing in the Ukrainian drone battlespace. Once casualties reach triple digits and footage of drone operators getting blown apart spreads, their politically soft populations will be outside government buildings demanding an end to it. This is assuming they can convince native Berliner males to sacrifice for a loose economic zone that will turn their home into migrant housing when they're gone. And they're certainly not going to raise and train a migrant army. And in the later stages of the Iran war, it has largely been ballistic missiles rather than drones that have penetrated defenses. If anything, the lesson is to invest relentlessly in overwhelming superiority in ultra-fast ballistic missiles, energy weapons, and higher saturation space targeting. The only way the West can fight is to strike faster, from farther away, with no ground level combat.

npaulette02

Out of seeming desperation, Trump will end up using nuclear weapons on Iran. Iran has successfully implemented a war strategy of asymmetry using low-cost, low-tech means, and Trump will be sold on the fact that the US must adopt the same measures, utilizing what's on the other side of the spectrum, high-tech, high-cost. Thereby putting into effect the never used weaponry that the US does have in spades and in stockpiles. The rest of the worlds hand will be forced, Europe, Asia, Africa, and NATO will be drawn into this war in earnest. It's already happening and skirmishes between periphery nations are in position to be solidified. WWIII will break out in earnest as the Ruso-Ukranian War is ultimately merged with the war on Iran, pitting the "Western World" against the new so-called "Axis of Evil", any person or nation in disagreement or non-compliance with the aims of Western imperialism. At home, both Republicans and Democrats will work together in order to "suspend" the November midterms indefinitely, halting in it's tracks any gaining progressive momentum within the electoral political system. All of this while AI development and climate change reach increasingly advanced and catastrophic levels.

Mundane-Dirt-4077

So if Russia attacks NATO prepare for red?

Thumbszilla

Screenshot this because I'm calling it: Putin soon attacks a NATO country (without any intention of following through with it), the market takes a quick dive, and the insanely high margin debt accelerates a severe crash due to forced deleveraging. He takes out the US economy without even directly doing anything to the U.S.

TopicTalk8950

That’s pure cope. Google when Vietnam started. Eisenhower, a Republican, destroyed reunification elections in Vietnam which began the Vietnam war. It never would’ve happened had Eisenhower allowed the reunification elections. Bosnia, Libya, and Kosovo were NATO-led operations. The US simply supported. Research your emotion-based beliefs. It’s hilarious though that the most recent “war” you tried to pin on Democrats was 30 years ago while the most recent actual war started by Republicans was…***3 months ago***.

Apprehensive-Mine364

hegseth kidnapped all of the experienced people and is keeping them in the basement of the pentagon in matrix tubes to siphon any good ideas out. unfortunately, he got the tubes from aliexpress so they're only getting the half-baked dogshit ideas out. Jokes aside.....nothing will hurt these folks more than sanctions long term. Even if they find ways around them, it inflates the cost of doing business. The US needs to accept it can't charge a fucking toll for international waters as that will destroy so much shit diplomaticly and fuck up by setting a If X can do it they I can to...mentality. US should leave Iran, withdrawal troops, and only re-enter the straight if the entire maritime industry with the backing of NATO and OTHER MEMBERS military return to force the freedom to sail in international waters. The alternative would be the US leave and get revenge on Iran another way. Force the world to abandon the straight entirely, announce that the US government and all states will not do business with any maritime company be it shipping or an insurance firm if a single boat of theirs uses the straight. No exemptions, no bribes...no fees. Just a simple, sorry your companies boat used the straight after the announcement so your a security risk and on the list. This would probably be handled via coordination between maritime industry and the department of commerce. This removes all the bargaining power Iran has over that sea and we don't even need to fight for it. You want to break freedom of navigation and maritime laws, then no one will use that area due to the risks associated with it...because If someone uses and navigates to that part of water, it shows that they're not only complicit, but that they view it as an acceptable risk. Finally sanctions: you think Russia got fucked hard....lol Iran can get hit with even more restrictions and roadblocks. India or Russia helping Iran, then they get sanctions. China we could many pressure to stay neutral or something.

Mariox

The bear case remains that growth plummets in 2027. Though I have not seen analyst 2027 revisions of estimates. Revenue growth will top out this quarter at around 96-100% growth. Margins will grow as revenue grows because revenue is going a lot faster then costs. FCF is growing just as fast as revenue which is the big reason the valuation looks so expensive, but isn't. People ignore FCF for most companies because almost all companies are investing cash into growth. PLTR does not need to spend cash to grow as a pure SaaS business. PLTR has a unique business model. Customers pay based on value created. This means the more the customer grows, the more they pay PLTR, and the customer grows faster because they use PLTR. The valuation for PLTR will look expensive for the next 5 years while the stock continues to go up. Companies will need the best AIP to compete and governments will need PLTR to protect democracy and freedom. Even the countries who want to get rid of PLTR will not be able to because NATO is staring to use PLTR. PLTR will end the year around $200 and end of 2027 around $325.

HereIsAnotherPOV

Well, what's hurting is needless war through NATO using Ukrainian Nazis at the behest of the US and EU warmongers. Listen to reason, Glenn Diesen chanel on YouTube.

Consistent_Panda5891

They don't want mess with world tho, specially as literally no countries of NATO helped him with attacks... Also want to make oil pipeline with Syria and Europe, ignoring golf countries and Israel. Still I expect by November just before midterms they will heat it up again attacking US related vessel again with some missile to "revenge" of USA and make 🥭 loose midterms

Oxbix

Ukraine and NATO asked for ideas how to destroy airfield not long ago. You can get up to 250k [https://english.nv.ua/nation/persistent-airfield-denial-ukraine-and-nato-seek-russian-airfield-solutions-50617652.html](https://english.nv.ua/nation/persistent-airfield-denial-ukraine-and-nato-seek-russian-airfield-solutions-50617652.html)

Token-Gringo

Just bomb the bridges and power plants already. NATO nor the UN won’t do anything except complain, followed by getting on their knees for money.