NATO

Historical_Low4458

You have to keep in mind that the U.S. is going to have to use tax payer money now to rebuild its own stock piles too as a result of this war. That's not going to happen over night, and is going to take months and years to build it back up too. The difference is Iran doesn't need to worry about other threats so they can take their time. The U.S. doesn't have that luxury. Whether it is Russia attacking NATO or China attacking Taiwan, the U.S. would need to be able to respond to an ever changing landscape, and unfortunately the war with Iran has used some of the U.S.' resources to be able to respond at a moments notice if it needed to.

scarneo

"Being nice" sure 🤡 Tariffs, invasion of greenland, pulling out of NATO But sure, some really live in lalaland

Peppertheredfox

Not our fault Europe got bullied into ditching social welfare for the sake of supporting NATO through huge defense expenditures to US contractors. We’re American and we know the drill well

MaterialGuy007

30th wolf cry.   Iran will never concede till - us removes sanctions  - releases all funds - compensates for attack - permits Hormuz tax All of which appear to be us non negotiable  I think the US should deflect attention towards China-Taiwan and announce Taiwan part of Asia NATO - Nasdaq will go up 1000 pts!!!

Icommandyou

🚨details of the deals emerge per Axios: * Iran to buy MU 0dte calls $1000 * Iran US agree to invest $700bn in SPY * Iran will purchase $400bn worth of MSFT PowerPoint slides * NATO Iran China will jointly launch attacks on anyone trying to short this market

iLov3musk

Irans navy, air force, military, drones, missiles, ayatollah all gone. America won this war and its not even a debate. We forced regime change. All while NATO watched and didnt help

Brilliant_Object_847

Oh Greenland annexation is back, right in time for the NATO summit.

Total_Schedule591

Johnald will try to get reimbursement from NATO for the botched Iran squabble and oil from Iran for the botched Iran squabble 🐥

iLov3musk

No nuclear weapon, number one. You know, I think it’s already been regime changed. Btw America is BEING attacked and NATO is not responding?

ArmageddonUnleashed

We didn’t win. We haven’t won. We will not win. They can control the Strait of Hormuz by launching a few drones. No shipping companies is going to risk having their employees and million dollar boats destroyed. We badly miscalculated. Because our president is an idiot. Also, NATO is a defensive pact. They don’t just join in whenever another member starts a war of choice.

TheoryInttro

Zelensky's weapons development lab has had a lot of progress to the point where they're rolling up the Russians and folding them like laundry. 25% of the entire Russian refinery capacity got taken offline yesterday and they've been forced to ban exports of refined products. Zelensky can soon finance the war by selling drone tech and training to the militaries that need it. There isn't a fucking army on the planet except for Ukraine and Russia that currently are able to operate under the new drone swarm paradigm and Russia is a distant second which is not a good place to be when it's a two-armies war. There's been a few war games and training exercises where you've had extremely lopsided confrontations like [12 Ukrainian drone operators versus 2 full NATO battalions and the NATO forces got rolled](https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianMilitary/comments/1r56f1p/we_are_f_10_ukrainians_with_drones_wipe_out_two/) . Or the exercise in Gotland this week where the Ukrainian drone operators wiped the NATO opposition so effectively they restarted the exercise three times to try different tactics and got rendered combat-ineffective every time. Not to say that would have been the results of a real engagement, simulations and exercises can only tell you so much. But fundamentally, the Ukrainians and the Russians have redefined warfare and are the only two forces with current operational experience in actual modern combat. Which is bad news for Russia's neighbors if they don't adapt.

Legendary-Lemon

NATO cannot go there. That is BS

stuntondeezh0es

Now NATO is thinking about getting into the Hormuz mess by July? Depression is literally guaranteed

Valkorion335786

Golmud Breakthrough in Battlefield 6 need a major rework NATO has access to 2 Little birds, 2 Abrams, at least 1 IFV and a Jet(not to mention the LTV) Pax Armata gets 1 IFV until the last sector where they get 2 In what world is this even fair lmao

ballsonreddit

Red / choppy until July? NATO is starting to consider Hormuz mission to protect ships [https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/nato-is-starting-to-consider-hormuz-deployment-to-protect-ships](https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/nato-is-starting-to-consider-hormuz-deployment-to-protect-ships)

Consistent_Panda5891

Meanwhile he loaded today on cheap AF calls. Deal with Iran is done, leaked yesterday, but axios had to report US officials to probably reject it to be able to load on them... Made earlier 🌮 Monday for the laughs, but the real 🌮 is coming with a fresh peace deal. Only signature remains, then EU NATO will make a mission on hormuz as they suggested today

Consistent_Panda5891

Nice try. Gerard Ford went march for 2 weeks to repair from an internal fire to Greece. Also for resupplying. Latest news today of EU NATO pushing for intervention is incredibly bullish, as EU said several times they would do it ONCE peace was done & strait opened. Deal is done. Only need it's signature & announcement. Calls already +20% from the grave, will hold it no matter what. USA USA USA

Liquidate-Me-Daddy

NATO: Enters the conflict 🥭: We’re handing it over to NATO, they want to do it, it’s their problem now not mine

Consistent_Panda5891

Yep. He already did 🌮. Deal with Iran is done. That's why EU NATO says they will make mission in hormuz. They just say that to make a deadline to a deal for Iran, but deal is pretty much done, only remains to announce it and SIGN IT. Short oil free money rn

reaper527

not like NATO makes any difference. the us is the only militarily relevant country in nato.

Axonum

if anyone is wondering why the whole market dumped at the same time its because of news NATO WILL THINK ABOUT DEPLOYING FORCES TO HORMUZ IF THE STRAIT REMAINS CLOSED BY JULY. TOP NATO COMMANDER: US DECISION TO REDEPLOY AN ARMOURED BRIGADE FROM EUROPE WILL NOT IMPACT THE EXECUTABILITY OF NATO'S DEFENCE PLANS

Affectionate-Bid386

NATO won't exist by then. Replaced by Ukraine + Europe + the Russian rump state, whatever is left of it.

NotMe357

"NATO to consider a Hormuz deployment if the Strait not open by July." Translate: Bulls are fucked until July.

A_Chair_Bear

War is back on the menu. NATO thinking of deploying in July if oil stays elevated

solidsneeze

NATO considering getting off the couch

ryzetard

\*NATO TO CONSIDER HORMUZ DEPLOYMENT IF STRAIT NOT OPEN BY JULY kek

theproperoutset

The UK and EU didn’t start this, explicitly told you not to do it, so now it’s your problem, not ours. You also placed tariffs on us, constantly increasing them, and backed out of deals days after they were negotiated. And you threatened to invade your NATO ally Denmark (Greenland) so you can do one if you think you deserve our help.

WetLumpyDough

The europoors better turn these futures green, or else we’re pulling out of NATO

MyrkyIce

With today's news about 300 Cuban Drones potentially targeting the US and a drone strike in the UAE causing a fire at a Nuclear Power Plant, I want to highlight ONDAS as one of the long-term investments in the drone economy. They have acquired companies for both offensive and defensive applications which seem to become more relevant for militaries globally. In the Ukrainian War and the Iranian War, we've seen long-range, cost-effective Kamikaze drones used and even Moscow had one of the biggest attacks since World War II from drones like these. ONDAS acquired a UK based company called Rotron that has a similar style of drone called the "SkyLance" which has potential to be scaled and ordered in Europe as NATO prepares for a possible conflict with Russia and Belarus. On the defensive side, ONDAS has acquired companies like Sentrycs for drone detection that has been deployed at airports, police stations, and even the sites for the US-hosted FIFA games. In tandem with this technology is the Iron Drone Raider which eliminates the threat with a net for safe neutralization of an explosive in an area that cannot be compromised with an explosive. There are industries booming right now like Aerospace, AI, and Tech, so I'm not saying the drone industry will outshine the other industries, but it is notable for long-term consideration. Every day, the threat of drones seems to grow and a company like ONDAS ($ONDS) is set to capitalize on markets funded by militaries and government entities.

Confident-Cell-2549

$MOB is showing signs of becoming an embedded cybersecurity drone subsystem supplier across allied defense markets… not just a one-off U.S. defense drone component vendor. Its activity now spans the U.S., Israel, India, UAE, and the European Union, with visibility into Romania and NATO defense channels. This is a drone, robotics, hardware, software, and cybersecurity company founded by two former Israeli special forces veterans with deep expertise in cyber technology. The market may still be treating $MOB like a tiny speculative drone stock. But the evidence suggests something more interesting: a trusted, embedded supplier moving into the Western defense-drone stack at exactly the right time. U.S. trusted-drone clearance. Production orders tied to a U.S. defense Program of Record. Israeli defense experience. International design wins. Cybersecure datalinks, autonomy software, and EW-resistant communications. This looks like a company that is already proving itself before the market has fully recognized what it may become. High risk, yes. But if $MOB keeps converting defense validation into production revenue, this could be one of the more asymmetric small-cap defense stories in the market.

Confident-Cell-2549

$MOB is showing signs of becoming an embedded cybersecurity drone subsystem supplier across allied defense markets… not just a one-off U.S. defense drone component vendor. Its activity now spans the U.S., Israel, India, UAE, and the European Union, with visibility into Romania and NATO defense channels. This is a drone, robotics, hardware, software, and cybersecurity company founded by two former Israeli special forces veterans with deep expertise in cyber technology. The market may still be treating $MOB like a tiny speculative drone stock. But the evidence suggests something more interesting: a trusted, embedded supplier moving into the Western defense-drone stack at exactly the right time. U.S. trusted-drone clearance. Production orders tied to a U.S. defense Program of Record. Israeli defense experience. International design wins. Cybersecure datalinks, autonomy software, and EW-resistant communications. This looks like a company that is already proving itself before the market has fully recognized what it may become. High risk, yes. But if $MOB keeps converting defense validation into production revenue, this could be one of the more asymmetric small-cap defense stories in the market.

thekmanpwnudwn

China is Iran's ally and is helping them militarilly. For China this is a proxy war against the US. The exact same way that Ukraine is at war against Russia, so that conflict is a proxy war for the US/NATO against Russia.

rummuio

Rheinmetall looks great on the surface. My issue is that it's too politically hot in the cyclical niche of munitions and war demand. The 2025 annual report says it is focusing on defense and security with civilian activities discontinued from operations. Munition booms are not linear and it doesn't have automotive and other activities to support in calmer periods. Growth can flatten hard when NATO stockpiles normalise....most likely when the Ukraine-Russia war hopefully finishes. So short term everything looks great, with a high growing business. Long term, unless war time continues, growth will likely slow. They don't have the moat of RTX or Lockheed with missile, aerospace, classified systems. Also hav8ng a huge backlog is great, but government defense contracts can be pulled without penalty, they are not 100% committed

baconcheeseburgarian

NATO is going to start sourcing more from Europe than the US. Trump has killed their trust in America.

Spuckler_Cletus

I didn’t time NATO picking a fight in Ukraine. I did, however, pour as much as I could find into the market with the tariff threats. Wasn’t really timing for me. I simply maxed my 401k and my IRA earlier than I would have. But that’s not the same as what some folks have suggested. Basically holding significant cash positions in order to time the market. It’s their money, but I don’t care to hold too much cash. Especially when I see that so much of their investing seems to be a political statement. I’m leery of following people who invest with their politics on the line.

ytman

I loved that the NYT called it the North American Trade Org. Not even journos are hiding the real role of NATO. Its a proxy org for the US of all its client states.

Boys4Ever

Pretty confident Europe will never trust us again and we might see our exit from NATO in the not too distant future which was apparently what the voters wanted.

Different_Pack_3686

The current administration aspires to disband NATO, so idk.

OpeDefinitely

u/Current_Pangolin8831 has a point, although it wouldn't shock me if the US wants to be more involved in Nokia now that Finland is part of NATO.

LasyKuuga

Doing the NATO phoentic alphabet over the phone. Turns out for V it’s Victor not Vagina 😔

Lonnification

Remember how Trump responded when our NATO allies did the same thing? Funny how the Saudis do it and he doesn't say a word...

Icy_Jelly_315

Puts all the "Our NATO allies failed to step up" shit into perspective

CmonTouchIt

Lol Turkey is a NATO ally, there's absolutely no chance Israel attacks them

Few_Park7594

You should read how NATO works and get back to us about why NATO won’t help.

HgnX

Mate in 2028 this stock is an easy 2000+. They produce mass ammunition, produce mass vehicles, will produce drones and parts, with EU rearming this company is bound to grow and its not changing soon. NATO budget is 5% GDP now. If your investment horizon is like 1 month you have other questions you should ask yourself imho

This_Is_The_End

Trump has drowned the UAE, SA and Kuwait in their own oil and gas. Chevron has the license for Leviathan and in the future the Lebanese gas too, which can be delivered to Europe via Greece. Russian tankers and oil processing are under constant attack from Ukraine and NATO. China is already reacting by declaring not to care about secondary sanctions. Enjoy high oil prices.

ShittyUsernane1222

\> US withdrawing troops from other NATO countries good news for EU defense stocks

StocksStormTrooper

US troop withdrawals will leave NATO a Paper Tiger.

SoonToBeBanned666

You are talking about things that take a lot of time. “Greenland woes” are very much a thing still here in Europe and NATO will never return to what it was. We’re in a war with a country almost literally within walking distance from where I live. People overestimate the short term effects of stuff and underestimate the long term. As many people have pointed out, taco isn’t as much an option here as it has been before.

kinetic_honda

At the risk of angering people - the doom and gloom is being dialed up to comical levels. I'm not going to say why because it usually brings out nasty comments. Take reddit for example - I am still waiting for the empty shelves that were promised by the highly upvoted comments before the tariffs. I am still waiting for the entire world to stop doing business with the US like the highly upvoted comments were prophesizing. I am still waiting for the world to isolate the US like the highly upvoted comments were predicting. I am still waiting for that war between the US and the rest of NATO that the highly upvoted comments on here were so sure would transpire. Remember the Greenland invasion woes and the literal thousands of articles and YouTube videos popping up going over those scenarios? I guess that died down. Now, the narrative is oil shock, it's being pushed, but it looks like the market doesn't seem to care. It remains to be seen how this will all turn out, but it doesn't stop the reddit dimmers from going into overdrive

JoseLunaArts

This is the full story that happened before what you are reporting. Aragchi travelled to Pakistan and established that negotiations would take place in 3 stages: 1. End all war against Iran and axis of resistance. 2. Discuss legal framework for strait of Hormuz 3. Discuss nuclear topics Trump obviously rejected stage one, so there will be no stage 3 nuclear deal. Pakistan opened around six corridors of trade between Iran and China. Also, Russia and Iran now have a strategic alliance (think of NATO alliance) so any negotiations will have to involve Russia, which cannot be bypassed. Putin talked to Aragchi personally for one and a half hours. That is an Earth shaking event, because Putin never gives world leaders more than 30 to 40 minutes. After that Putin called Trump and that call also was long. The basic message of Putin according to the Kremlin was, in simple words, "we are all in, this has to be resolved diplomatically, going back to war is unacceptable". After that Trump talked to CENTCOM and the rest is what you are reporting. Trump will make an announcement today after stock markets are closed. The ball is in Trump court, so whatever happens now will be what comes from his mind.

MrT_IDontFeelSoGood

Mango punishing NATO round and round we go

ShittyUsernane1222

I wonder how markets would react if 🥭 declared war to EU, BRICS, NATO at the same time

MuchConcentrate

Wait a minute, are we at war with NATO, EU or Germany now? Puts on SAP?

hallett21

🥭 will not be outdone. We are leaving OPEC AND NATO tomorrow.

SpecialRegular1

Well when Papa Pootin tells you to destroy America/NATO/EU, etc. you had better surround yourself with the most incompetent buffoons, else your “P(df)” Tapes will come out of the woodwork. It was either “Soft destruction” like we are experiencing or a physical war that he has no military capability to accomplish against the Western countries.

ThisKarmaLimitSucks

DXY doesn't care at this minute, but the writing was already on the wall for the US Dollar even before the first bomb fell on Iran. Inflation + weaponizing SWIFT + openly attacking NATO in the last five years will do that. Financially speaking, the US govt is mortally wounded, and they know it. They are flailing and are trying to squeeze anyone in their reach for cash to rescue themselves. If you have dollars, you're a target. If you dump dollars, it's harder for them to get to you. If you dump dollars and have nukes, they *really* can't get to you, so that's how you protect yourself from a flailing giant.

kabbowkabbow

i just need one tweet. "Iran have applied to join NATO and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps will be donating all profits from shipping tarrifs to Turning Point USA"

Czyzzle

So, the UAE has left NATO

YouHaveFunWithThat

That’s a tough one because I’m inherently biased being heavily invested in RCAT and have no stake in ONDS. I believe they’re both incredibly well positioned and will both be in great places a couple years from now. My only concern with ONDS is that their current market cap is already so high. I believe these two companies are in very similar positions but ONDS has 2.5x the market cap and has therefore already priced in a decent amount of their imminent success. ONDS has a very well spoken CEO which helps in the court of public opinions, as well as a large amount of smaller contracts already on the books which gives potential investors a lot of faith in future large contracts. RCAT has some of the best products on the market and while tons of potential buyers have expressed great interest, they have struggled to get many contracts actually on the books. I expect this to change very soon for 2 reasons. The first being RCAT recently landed a decent NATO contract which has put their drones in the hands of dozens of countries defense programs giving them the strong possibility of landing larger contracts with the militaries of NATO countries around the world. The second being the Army put out an acquisition request last week specifically for RCATs black widow drone, with the intention of them being partnered with the F-35 for precision strike targeting. Again I want to reiterate that I am extremely biased because I have had a significant portion of my life savings invested in RCAT for over a year now but I see both companies have the potential to reach $15-20b market cap in the next few years. I believe ONDS has a higher probability of reaching this level given the revenue they already have coming in. I believe that RCAT will also reach this level, but I’ll also concede they have a much larger risk with their struggle to put revenue in the short term. Tl;Dr: I think both companies will be equally successful, but due to current market caps ONDS is the safer bet (as safe as an unprofitable small cap can be) while RCAT has the higher upside potential.

SengunCanada

FLT (volatus aerospace) - Ukraine and Iran have shows how valuable drones are in modern warfare, and Canada is investing BIG in defence. They just got a contract with NATO too.

Castopliani

How many 🥭s does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Light bulb is going very well, it's going to be over very soon Why isn't NATO helping us screw in the light bulb? Light bulb could take a few more weeks There is no timetable for the light bulb, it will go on as long as it needs to Light bulb is screwed in! Praise Allah! (It isn't)

chiggins566

Yeah bc the war was part of it. It’s been a long term play of different moves. Just my opinion other world leaders didn’t take him seriously so they ignored it. But look how NATO isn’t bitching anymore? Dollar strength is rising… Talk of trade currency changing in multiple places stopped… Basics is trump look over oil main supply or stopped to all the countries the USA owes most its debt to. Now they have to get oil from USA interested controlled places or let their economies grid to halt, google about it. It’s kinda crazy genius. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a steaming Ahole. But gotta give credit where it’s due

Several_Bread_9144

The big beautiful straight of Hormuz was sadly closed by the Iranians. NATO refuses to help, too bad for them, but we will remember. I AM PLEASE TO ANNOUNCE we are the greatest nation in the world and having peace to heart will do them a favor and open it for them. Open the strait you crazy bastards! We already won the war, they dont have a navy, airplanes or missiles. There will be consequences if they dont open it, an entire civilization could be wiped out tonight. We will be having peace talks, a deal is close. Thank you for your attention to this matter. President Donald J. Trump

B1ZEN

Democratic Presidents (or Democratic-Republican) – Major Wars/Conflicts Started, Escalated, or Participated In: War of 1812 (James Madison, Democratic-Republican) Mexican-American War (James K. Polk) World War I (Woodrow Wilson – U.S. entry 1917) World War II (Franklin D. Roosevelt – U.S. entry after Pearl Harbor) Korean War (Harry S. Truman) Vietnam War (major escalation under Lyndon B. Johnson; initial involvement under JFK) Kosovo/NATO intervention in Yugoslavia (Bill Clinton, 1999) Libya intervention (Barack Obama, 2011, NATO-led) Various smaller actions: Somalia, Haiti, Syria strikes, counterterrorism operations (multiple Democratic administrations) Republican Presidents – Major Wars/Conflicts Started, Escalated, or Participated In: Spanish-American War (William McKinley) Gulf War / Operation Desert Storm (George H.W. Bush) Afghanistan War (2001) and Iraq War (2003) (George W. Bush – post-9/11 "War on Terror") Invasion of Grenada (Ronald Reagan, 1983) Invasion of Panama (George H.W. Bush, 1989) Various smaller actions: Lebanon (Reagan), Libya bombing (Reagan), tanker war incidents, post-9/11 continuations Key Notes (applies to both):Many conflicts inherited from previous administrations (e.g., Vietnam began under Eisenhower (R) but escalated under Democrats; Afghanistan/Iraq continued under Obama (D)). Post-WWII "full-scale" new wars per some analyses: Korea & Vietnam (D), Gulf War, Afghanistan & Iraq (R). Smaller interventions and militarized disputes: Some counts show more under Republicans (~35 vs. ~23 since 1900), but Democrats linked to larger-scale or higher-casualty conflicts in others. No formal U.S. declarations of war since WWII; most modern actions are authorizations, interventions, or responses. Bipartisan support common; context (attacks on U.S., alliances, threats) often drives involvement rather than party alone.

Importantbox100

Is this bullish or bearish for NATO?

iLov3musk

NATO could also help America and prevent this btw…

NotMe357

No, but from EU and NATO.

TurbodToilet

News that Iran has mined the strait, US is trying to suspend SPAIN from NATO, gas prices aren’t stabilizing, unemployment is going up. Market: GREEN

ReasonableBrother448

Defense sector is dangerous for investing partially because the orders will be lagging and production is not scalable. So when militaries start procurement, they have to figure out the timing and pricing. This has led to Korea supplying a fuckton of assets to EU, even some of their own military orders have been sidelined. But you should watch the sector as a whole. Trump will inevitably pull US from NATO (yeah legally impossible yada yada) because EU did not bow to this drunken American warlord. This will trigger several critical shifts in defense spending.

NotMe357

"JUST IN: The U.S. is reportedly considering suspending Spain from NATO & reviewing the U.S. stance on Britain’s claim to the Falkland Islands." Look like they need another Epstein Island lol

Bluebird-9641

I'm not trying to argue your point, just wondering what you think of this article from about a week ago(simply wall st.): Rheinmetall’s narrative fair value of €7,569.50 sits far above the last close at €1,495.40, which is framing a very optimistic story for the shares. If European NATO members would raise their military spending to ~3% of their GDP, this would mean a combined yearly spending of over 500b€. Rheinmetall management assumed on 12th March 2025 that 20% to 25% of the entire military spending could be spent with Rheinmetall. In my point of view, it seems likely as it would be difficult to spend such a big amount anywhere else but with Rheinmetall. This narrative builds an ambitious case, grounded in much higher sector spending, rich margins, and a premium future earnings multiple. The numbers behind that jump are bold. Result: Fair Value of €7,569.50 (UNDERVALUED) However, this hinges on politics and execution. German constitutional changes and the shift toward asymmetrical technologies are both potential spoilers for the bullish case. Another view: earnings multiple sends a cooler signal While the narrative fair value points to heavy upside, Rheinmetall’s current P/E of 67.5x compares with a European Aerospace & Defense average of 35.6x and a fair ratio of 50.2x. That gap suggests investors are already paying a premium, so it is worth asking how much optimism you are really comfortable pricing in.

kaapooj

>An internal Pentagon email outlines options for the United States to ​punish NATO allies it believes failed to support U.S. operations in the war with Iran, including suspending Spain from the alliance and reviewing the U.S. position on Britain's claim to the Falkland Islands, a U.S. official ‌told Reuters. https://www.reuters.com/world/pentagon-email-floats-suspending-spain-nato-other-steps-over-iran-rift-source-2026-04-24

Minute_Tune_6461

Good luck on Islam and Africa taking over Europe raping your children. And also good luck on defending yourselves from Russia when we leave NATO.

juste1221

FWIW I think Drump's a certified bozo and am the farthest thing from a US flag apparel wearer you'll find, but it's undeniable NATO very brazenly forked over the US in this conflict, and after we just sent hundreds of billions of weapons and invaluable intelligence to your whipping boy Ukraine.

juste1221

Real talk though, NATO are almost as responsible for the current situation as Drump himself. Their defacto letters of support for Iran and obstinate closing of military bases and airspace to the US certainly emboldened Iran. Had NATO even just feigned an illusion of a united front with US/Israel and pretended to mobilize some training drills or something, Iran very likely would have been looking to deescalate things weeks ago with deeper concessions.

TracyM45

NATO adjustments are needed to end Ukraine war.Peace Out

Late-Tadpole-2318

“Pentagon exploring options to punish NATO members who did not support US operations against Iran” What. What kind of options are we talking about here

Garbage-Disposal-938

makes sense to me. I mean, if NATO falls apart and the EU just breaks away, all those countries will say fuck off to FAANG as much as possible and build their own lame ass search engines. same with BRICS and places like Japan, Taiwan and Korea. they know they're not under the US umbrella anymore. it's clear to everyone now.

ChampionshipOdd947

Serious talk though: I genuinely don't understand anyone bullish right now. If we somehow destroyed the Iranian Regime and the IRGC, took over Iran, and opened the strait today, we'd still be looking at 6 months of clearing the mines, even with help from NATO or the EU, and we will be running out of global petroleum reserves well before then. Inflation will surge, along with a new issue of a global food shortage (and for semiconducters - a continued helium shortage). It will take years to recover from that, and that's assuming we don't go straight into a recession. And this is all BEST CASE SCENARIO. Worst case, we go to war with Iran and Iran decides to deploy their "scorched earth" policy, which means destroying all salination plants and every oil refinery that they can, further ruining global oil supply and causing a humanitarian catastrophe. The market won't physically be able to sustain itself. The Fed will not be able to keep up. They can't inject that much liquidity without running up inflation further - that will just kick the can down the line for an even bigger crash. Positions: Cash Gang, with a few puts.

Joshithusiast

The U.S. doesn't have mine sweepers. Their Navy is so stupid they decommissioned them all years ago. This isn't a secret. It's a well-known, easily-proven, publically-available fact. That's why Trump keeps begging NATO to help him: the Royal Navy still has mine sweepers.

Dreadker

Remember when it was known the US no longer really has any mine sweeping capabilities and he was asking (begging) other NATO countries to help sweep mines? Pepperidge farms remembers. The Avenger-class MCM fleet — the US dedicated minesweepers — was completely decommissioned. The last vessels were retired between 2020-2023 with no direct replacement class built. The US made a deliberate strategic decision that autonomous/unmanned systems would replace dedicated MCM hulls.

rexeditrex

Once again delusional. We don't have minesweepers, but our NATO allies, who won't help us because Trump alienated them, do. Plus, it sure seems if they can shoot missiles and disable ships they have some sort of naval forces even if they're smaller boats.

Affectionate_Mess266

The US doesn't have any oceanic mine clearing capability, they rely on NATO partners for that. The same NATO partners that are enjoying watching the US lose this war and erode their global standing even further.

PushAble2463

Just read the us administration has created a list over NATO «good countries» and «bad countries». Their intent is supposedly to take from the bad/naughty countries and give to the good ones. Picking up strategies from both Santa Claus and Robin Hood rn

krLMM

This one is 100% stock manipulation and it's going to happen more and more as we go. The playbook here is: They looked into businesses that were about to be bankrupt or in distress since Biden - with some remote blame to put on his admin. They found Spirit Airlines. They invested in them through stocks and options. Then they published this 'rescue package' and will rack in millions. If you want to bet on corruption there are other potential plays at hand:  1. $SOC is an oil drilling company that got operations blocked by environmental risk in California (a pipe spill). They are beginning operations  2. CRML or other metal companies with presence in Greenland. Every two weeks or so Trump will post about having strategic access to Greenland for minerals and the stock will pop (look chart). If NATO countries don't bend to the word of the day he plays this card. 3.NextDecade Corporation NewFortress Energy or other natural gas / energy companies if Trump will remove restrictions and allow exports. Notice that these companies are terrible and failing. They are speculative plays based on corruption for short term gains if Trump decides to make money. I cannot think of more, maybe you have some ideas.

_RAPTORMAN_

NATO

LandStander420

So if the Democrats take control of the House and Senate in November, then what? Articles of impeachment? Then what? Try to fix the Iran situation? Then what? Try to repair the damage to NATO? Then what? Reinstate the social equity work? Then what? Notice how rescheduling is not a priority at all. And even if it was these two sides are not going to work together. If Trump doesn’t reschedule NOW, it will be 2032 and it still won’t be done. Downvote me all you want but it won’t change a thing. People on this thread are acting like November is magically going to bring rescheduling, it won’t. If the Democrats take over in November rescheduling is decades out or never. If you disagree, explain why. How and when will Democrats complete the rescheduling process if they take the House and Senate in November.

LandStander420

So the Democrats take control of the House and Senate then what? Articles of impeachment? Then what? Try to fix the Iran situation? Then what? Try to repair the damage to NATO? Then what? Reinstate the social equity work? Then what? Notice how rescheduling is not a priority at all. And even if it was these two sides are not going to work together. If Trump doesn’t reschedule NOW, it will be 2032 and it still won’t be done.

what_could_gowrong

A K9 police dog's superior officer, kinda like NATO OF-10 rank

Electrical_Maize3587

NATO is very smart for not touching this war, because then it would signal for other countries to get in. And Trump bashes NATO for that…

Short-Dependent7676

NATO is very smart for not touching this war, because then it would signal for other countries to get in. And Trump bashes NATO for that…

lithe_silhouette

That's not the main problem even if true. 🥭 Backed himself into a corner where there's no way to end the war under terms that are not humiliating for the US no matter who's calling the shots in Iran. Much like in Russia people were disagreeing on all sorts of things but one thing they all agreed on according to the American intelligence is that Ukraine could not be part of NATO

fire_alarmist

Mar 3: "We won the war." Mar 7: "We defeated Iran." Mar 9: "We must attack Iran." "The war is ending almost completely, and very beautifully." Mar 12: "We did win, but we haven't won completely yet." Mar 13: "We won the war." Mar 14: "Please help us." Mar 15: "If you don't help us, I will certainly remember it." Mar 16: "Actually, we don't need any help at all." "I was just testing to see who's listening to me." "If NATO doesn't help, they will suffer something very bad." Mar 17: "We neither need nor want NATO's help." "I don't need Congressional approval to withdraw from NATO." Mar 18: "Our allies must cooperate in reopening the Strait of Hormuz." Mar 19: "US allies need to get a grip -step up and help open the Strait of Hormuz" Mar 20: "NATO are cowards." Mar 21: "We don't use it, we don't need to open it." Mar 22: "This is the last time. I will give Iran 48 hours." "Iran is Dead" Mar 23: "We are giving them more time." Mar 24: "The war is nearing its end." Mar 25: "We are still negotiating." Mar 26: "Iran is begging for peace. They gave us a gift. We will give them more time." Mar 27: "Talks with iran are going very well" Mar 28: "War will be over soon" Mar 29: "Maybe we take Kharg island, maybe we dont" Mar 30: "Open the Strait or we will obliterate all energy infrastructure and oil wells" Mar 31: "We dont need the strait, we got plenty of oil. Get it yourself UK." April 1: "Iran wants a ceasefire" / "Strongly considering pulling out of NATO" / "There's no deal with Iran" April 3:"We can take their oil and make a fortune" April 5:"Open the fuckin strait you crazy bastards or youll be living in hell" April 6:"US could charge for strait of hormuz passage" April 7:"A whole civilization will die tonight" April 8:"Iran accepts ceasefire, the strait is opened" *strait closed* April 9:"NATO allies have days to reopen the strait" April 10:"Iran has no cards" April 11:"We're going to open up the strait" April 12:"US will blockade the strait" April 16:"I told NATO to stay away, they were useless" April 17:"Iran has agreed to never close the strait again" *iran closes the strait* April 18:"We might have to start dropping bombs again" April 19:"If iran doesnt sign the deal their whole country is going to get blown up" Stable Genius™ type shiii

CorneliusSoctifo

So a defensive alliance should help attack a foreign country that we (USA) bombed first? After we claimed to have obliterated their nuclear program a few months back, then we bomb more and are claiming they have not ability to fight back. But somehow they can keep this waterway closed? The same allies he has been trying to shame and imposing obnoxious trade policies against? The same allies that followed us into Iraq and Afghanistan even though they weren't defensive actions? Yet your orange fuck face still demeans them? Why exactly should NATO do anything to help protect this aggression?

CapitanianExtinction

Dude can't even remember if he wants NATO help or not.  He's not going to remember anything else.

tika_dengu

Looks like NATO and GCC will be joining in this time 🍿

FabulousLanguage6216

He should try to take Greenland and see if NATO is really a paper tiger. He will be bigly surprised

Fast_Reputation_5666

NATO catching strays per usual

HaveFun____

This is actually an interesting statement... The US and other NATO countries (but especially the US) are always trying to police the world. Pointing the finger about what's right and wrong. The US is becoming less trustworthy every day and it's so much easier for other organizations to point the finger right back. I also wouldn't be surprised if violence in the streets went up as well. People are losing trust in the government, there are plenty of problems and opposing opinions... This can only end bad. Sooo, calls it is.