STEM

namafire

Those are non-sequitars. Look up the STEM under and unemployment rate for STEM or at minimum college graduates

unia_7

What are you talking about, even if we have 4x as many STEM graduates, it's still a drop in a bucket. And who told you STEM graduate jobs won't be affected.

Timo-the-hippo

China has 4x per capita STEM graduate rate compared to the US. There are absolutely enough ai-proof jobs but we are massively behind on education/training.

asxnullified

I've thoroughly enjoyed your DDs and general writing style. And I fully concur: Biotech is a massive risk, especially when the STEM types (like myself) try to "redefine business" through product development only. And your philosophy of them being able to handle the little things first is reassuring, but idk; Biotech is always iffy.

Kenosis94

I work in the field on the STEM side and you did a great job explaining why I have all of one or two biotech companies on my watch list. The other thing worth mentioning is that the FDA is not the only "FDA" pretty much every country has some equivalent and some show reciprocity to each other or approve stuff under a shared organization but there is no universal alignment. The only universal elements of pharma regulations are that they are slow as hell and expensive to comply with. If you've ever thought environmental regulators made shit expensive, then you shouldn't even think about anything involving pharma regulators. As an aside, I have lots of cures for cancer, but nobody seems willing to accept the side effects. We'd have it handled if it weren't for all the complaining about death and disfigurement from the regulators...

Sensitive-Radish-292

The most important thing to understand is what "volatility" means. High volatility can mean it will shoot up a lot from the EV ... but also that i can shoot down a lot from the EV as well. It's hard because stochastic mathematics is usually taught in universities... and if it's not a STEM major then the quality is bad.

ILookLikeKristoff

Yeah this is a disappointing trend of capitalists realizing there's more money to be made by ignoring a huge chunk of their demographic and focusing on the whale customers. They could give a shit if you go a few times a year, they want STEM DINK Doordash addicts that spend $100/night 3-4 times a week

Terrible-Tadpole6793

Americans are underrepresented in STEM programs because the universities are giving all the spots away to people from across the world. Not against people from across the world coming to school but Americans not being able to support their own economy is the root of all the societal craziness that we're dealing with today. I'm an American with two STEM masters degrees.

PlataoPlomo19

STEM programs at American universities have an overrepresentation of foreign workers for societal reasons, especially in Master's programs. That pipeline of students enters the workforce in a related role to what they studied. Also, employers in sectors where local talent is abundant (e.g., investment banking) are from personal experience, very reluctant to sponsor foreign workers while tech is the opposite

LurkerFailsLurking

Being an immigrant doesn't make you magically well informed. "No truth?" Let's go point by point. >we're not investing in next gen infrastructure [https://www.top1000funds.com/2025/09/public-private-partnerships-key-to-fixing-us-infrastructure/](https://www.top1000funds.com/2025/09/public-private-partnerships-key-to-fixing-us-infrastructure/) [https://www.govtech.com/transportation/report-finds-infrastructure-funding-spurs-jobs-investment](https://www.govtech.com/transportation/report-finds-infrastructure-funding-spurs-jobs-investment) >we're not funding research [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/after-courts-hampered-earlier-efforts-trump-wants-to-cancel-more-funding-during-shutdown](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/after-courts-hampered-earlier-efforts-trump-wants-to-cancel-more-funding-during-shutdown) [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/08/climate/trump-climate-science-funding.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/08/climate/trump-climate-science-funding.html) >we're making it cost prohibitive and unattractive to bring highly skilled workers here, [https://www.boundless.com/blog/trump-administration-to-propose-new-100000-fee-for-h-1b-visa-applications](https://www.boundless.com/blog/trump-administration-to-propose-new-100000-fee-for-h-1b-visa-applications) [https://www.economist.com/leaders/2025/10/09/donald-trumps-fortress-economy-is-starting-to-hurt-america](https://www.economist.com/leaders/2025/10/09/donald-trumps-fortress-economy-is-starting-to-hurt-america) >we're gutting our educational system when we were already falling behind in the STEM skills that have fueled market dominance for the last half century, [https://www.npr.org/2025/10/13/nx-s1-5572489/trump-special-education-department-funding-layoffs-disabilities](https://www.npr.org/2025/10/13/nx-s1-5572489/trump-special-education-department-funding-layoffs-disabilities) [https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/trumps-higher-education-crackdown-visa-revocations-dei-bans-lawsuits-and-funding-cuts](https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/trumps-higher-education-crackdown-visa-revocations-dei-bans-lawsuits-and-funding-cuts) >we're adopting isolationist, erratic trade policies that are permanently cutting US producers off from the markets that have been a major source of revenue for decades.... [https://www.wpr.org/news/farmers-trump-trade-war-bailout-harvest](https://www.wpr.org/news/farmers-trump-trade-war-bailout-harvest) [https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2025/09/30/ohio-family-farmers-describe-life-under-trump-tariffs-were-in-a-hell-of-a-mess-here/](https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2025/09/30/ohio-family-farmers-describe-life-under-trump-tariffs-were-in-a-hell-of-a-mess-here/) [https://sentientmedia.org/trumps-tariffs-are-hurting-soybean-farmers/](https://sentientmedia.org/trumps-tariffs-are-hurting-soybean-farmers/) And I didn't even mention how Trump's policies are hurting US manufacturing and busineses [https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2025-10-16/trumps-tariffs-american-businesses](https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2025-10-16/trumps-tariffs-american-businesses) I had to cut sources because my comment was too long. lol

UnderstandingThin40

“we're not investing in next gen infrastructure, we're not funding research, we're making it cost prohibitive and unattractive to bring highly skilled workers here, we're gutting our educational system when we were already falling behind in the STEM skills that have fueled market dominance for the last half century, we're adopting isolationist, erratic trade policies that are permanently cutting US producers off from the markets that have been a major source of revenue for decades....” This is literally all false lmaooo. Only Reddit believes this 

LurkerFailsLurking

I'm not puzzled anymore. The S&P 500 still has 500 names on it, but 75% of its gains this year have come from a handful of AI stocks whose own CEOs are starting to say publicly that it's a bubble. On top of that, being up 15% in a year where the dollar is down 12% is not impressive. Especially when you look at the alternatives. Other regional indexes are beating the shit out of the S&P. VXUS, AAXJ, VGK are all up about 25% and AFK is up 50%. Other countries' markets are doing much, much better than the US'. Meanwhile, the US' fundamentals just aren't there for long term growth, we're not investing in next gen infrastructure, we're not funding research, we're making it cost prohibitive and unattractive to bring highly skilled workers here, we're gutting our educational system when we were already falling behind in the STEM skills that have fueled market dominance for the last half century, we're adopting isolationist, erratic trade policies that are permanently cutting US producers off from the markets that have been a major source of revenue for decades.... What I was saying back in April was that you can't just look at charts, you have to think about what the numbers actually mean in terms of the real world. And it's really bad still.

BedBathAndBukkake69

Worked at McDonald's. Was poor because I was being paid like shit. Didnt like it. Thought "how do I improve my situation?" That's the tl;dr of it. Now 12 years later I've got one STEM degree with a second on the way, make more than 4X what McDonald's paid me, and my autism became the obsessively reading about the stock market and quantitative finance variety. 

Motor_in_Spirit79

I make 18x what I did 20 years ago. I wouldn’t think of myself as the cream of the crop because 20 years ago the cost of living was waaaay cheaper, and I didn’t have the dependents I do today. China has risen to challenge all the world superpowers and that is commendable, but it doesn’t happen without The U.S. You kind of just pointed out why the U.S. stays relevant. Other nations can’t keep their shit together long enough to challenge the dollar. It was supposed to be the Euro, until it wasn’t. Now BRICS, who have turned out to be as useful as a Discover Card in the 90’s. Hint: it wasn’t accepted anywhere. Then crypto currency. Now they are saying a one world currency… and round and round we go. If China wants to become the finance center of the world they are going to have to change their approach and adopt more capitalistic policies. You mention their STEM graduates. Many of whom go off to live and work abroad. Why wouldn’t they? Their earning potential here is insane, and they quickly get access to open doors that guarantee their comfort for life. Why would Trump remove all tariffs when tariffs have always been in place? They are an intricate part of international trade between all nations.

luv2block

so China has massive capita per GDP growth, they are the 2nd wealthiest country in the world, they have more STEM graduates than anyone, they have all the commodities they need to sustain society (minus energy), and they control pretty much all global supply chains. hehe. ya. okay, America is large and in charge.

luv2block

The US is only the cash cow cuz they have a money printer, and that's coming to an end. Whether it's manufacturing, or raw materials, or refined materials, or STEM graduates... China is rapidly moving to replace the US. But regardless of ones view on that, the idea that the US controls China at this point is utterly ridiculous. The only leverage the US still has is its military. The rest of the world is playing nice (relatively speaking) with the US in the hopes the US doesn't go insane and start attacking everyone militarily, ultimately leading to a nuclear war.

Sensitive-Radish-292

# Use your brain apes Alright as someone who actually understands what quantum computers do, let me shine some light here: \- First of all I don't disagree with the point that all this hype around quantum computers is currently non-sensical. I completely agree with that. \- What I'm gonna argue about is the fact that OP is a complete retard when it comes to understanding what quantum computers are good for ... and honestly I'm not surprised - I don't expect someone who studied business administration to actually understand anything from a STEM field. Let's first talk about the part where he says "Quantum computers are useless unless you work with prime numbers 'n' shit" # Ever heard about cryptography? The moment any company reaches the point where they will have a powerful, working quantum computer what will most likely happen is that there will be swift action taken to make this go public. The main reason why is that suddenly most of the encryption that you use will suddenly become useless, unless it's quantum-resistant. There are quantum-proof encryption schemes - for example most lattice-based cryptography is quantum-proof. So saying that unless you do hrrr and drrr quantah computahs 'r' uselezz is f*cking regarded. # Unstructured database searches Another great example use-case of quantum algorithms is searching through an unstructured database this can solve many huge fucking problems. NP Search problems are a good example. Optimization problems in general, data mining etc. the list goes on. # There are other usecases but that's not the point The point is to give you a little bit insight into the fact that he has no f*cking idea what the technology is about. He has no f*cking idea about the advancements made, since he didn't even mention other companies, like MSFT. So use your brain, and realize that he's just using his authority to sway your judgement.

AntoniaFauci

STEM back on the move. Looking to revisit 52 week highs around $32-33. There’s a strong incentive to close above $30 in the next few days as that will unlock cheap capital at minimal dilution.

Gasdoc1990

Yeah if you’re STEM and went to a bullshit college and got bullshit grades. They need smart STEM people, not dumbasses with a STEM degree

InvisibleEar

Yeah they say that yet everyone in STEM says it's fucking impossible to get hired now

bigGoatCoin

> Zero reason why someone from across the world can do what we can’t. Well theres the complete refusal of americans students to study the important topics.... Maybe make it illegal for americans to fail a math class, 1 year imprisonment. Then make it so all americans who go to college must major in a STEM field.

AntoniaFauci

Someday the current anti-renewables propaganda and insanity will break. Solar is free electricty from the sky. Stocks like STEM and ENPH are at 90% discounts. As greedy mega-corps suck up all the current available electricity, average citizen’s bills will keep skyrocketing. The quickest solution for individuals and small businesses will be to make their own electricity for free. Skyrocketing utility bills will only make that good idea more compelling.

movzx

This is some real head-in-the-sand nonsense. The job market is shit. Even traditionally "safe" careers like STEM are struggling. Wages have not kept with inflation. If you haven't gotten at least a 35% raise (inflation+dollar devalue) in the last 5 years, you are making less than you did prior to COVID. Unemployment is increasing and is at one of the worst levels (outside of housing crash and covid) it has been in your lifetime. There's a reason they moved to hiding the numbers. "Better than during COVID" isn't a ringing endorsement.

Cheap-Leopard7667

Personal attack? What STEM? That is a Fn compliment. Let me outta here for real.

Cheap-Leopard7667

Sarcastic humor. Guess you missed it. That’s okay, you took my response literally. Hope you’re in a STEM occupational field.

MartianHills

Dark factories. China invested heavily in STEM education and built an army of engineers and scientists. As a result, they are leaps and bounds ahead of the world in manufacturing technology, especially automation. I know Chinese made goods are typically seen as "cheap", but I've heard their new EV's are better than anything else on the market right now.

mygoodoldreddit

More STEM

njlimbacher23

Here quick overview of LCTX... (STEM) CELL therapeutics company focused on brining these types of therapies into a regulated market. One of their most exciting projects is OPRegen... it fixes an issue with the eyes in one treatment.. not only stops the degeneration.. but is actually showing to repair it in 36 month Phase 2 trials. It would be amazing to me if it does not come to market at some point between 2027-2028. No surprise.. after their successful announcement of the Phase 2 trials for OPRegen.. now they are getting funding for Diabetes cell therapy treatment. Frankly I was happy just riding this stock as it was.. if they can get great phase 1/2 results for Diabetes treatment.. it could be a major catalyst to see LCTX. Why is LCTX still under $2? Well Biotech tends to either be the best stock you own or it just falls from the sky. Its not super exciting and the process doesn't happen over night. Do your due diligence, but from what I have seen. LCTX has proven to be a legit entity operating with integrity. I believe their results.

TX_BallCoach40

Former social studies teacher here: history has been getting gutted for a while now. If it isn’t Reading/Writing or STEM, schools treat it like PE lol

PompeiiSketches

In an alternate timeline: the year is 2025 President Harris is hosting a White House event celebrating LGBTQ in STEM with special guest Budweiser CEO Dylan Mulvaney. As a land acknowledgment is being given to start the event a White House aide approaches, “madam president, SPY has just surpassed 900 points.” Harris drowns her cackling with her fourth cosmopolitan of the afternoon.

Vast_Cricket

Bar students study critical STEM area. Trump said he would but changed his mind. Trump also need to have domestic rare earth material mines lined up in Canada and US. They are in north and south American not mined.

visionarymind

Finna switch topics after this, but its never a positive sign to go to extreme lengths to block someone from buying something from the free market because you’re afraid they’ll eventually eclipse you It stinks of insecurity & highlights your inability to compete on a leveled playing field, it’s like 🇷🇺 in the Olympics Hopefully 🇺🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ isn’t as far behind as the metrics indicate regarding education, but this country’s pretty fuking dumb & it’s pretty depressing to see what upper division STEM curriculums entail in 2025 …anyways, SPX 6,888 🔜 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀

Secure-Fly6213

Where to find STEM/rich GF?

GuyOnTheMoon

Yes absolutely on the terms of actual physical materials. The difference is that in this AI race, the economics is a bubble. We’re pouring more money into AI than what we can get out of it. However the potential for this technology to skyrocket economically is also astronomical. When no one truly knows the outcome of this AI race, the pressure to double down on it becomes more intense. And thus if we can’t compete with China academically (they produce 50% of the world’s top STEM researchers), then perhaps we could hinder them with economic sanctions. Because quite unfortunately that’s the only card we have left to play. At least according to our current administration.

captain_ahabb

[I suspect that your estimate of how many students are getting humanities and social science degrees is probably completely wrong.](https://infographicjournal.com/how-top-25-most-popular-college-majors-changed-over-time/) Note that humanities degrees only make up ~10% of the total here. The most popular by far are business and nursing. More to the point, the current employment crisis for recent grads isn't happening to humanities graduates... it's happening to STEM graduates. [The unemployment rate for computer science graduates is over 6%! ](https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/16/college-majors-with-the-best-and-worst-employment-prospects.html) >When you look at the 20 year olds unemployment rates, you can generally correlate that to the rate of kids at that current age who didn't have jobs in high school and college and the ratio of worthless degrees. I think you made this up based on personal anecdotes and cultural stereotypes and you haven't actually investigated this issue at all.

StonklordBenno

Thoughts on STEM? Used to own it but its down to a 200mln marketcap now. Wonder if it could have a similar energy storage boom as this stock.

Reddit-for-all

A) They have done a ton to curb legal immigration. Google it and you will see a lot of anti-immigration policies in effect. B) Trump is temporary but the damage to our reputation is long lasting. No skilled labor or STEM people want to come here anymore. In fact, they are fleeing. I hope the immigration continues as projected, but this administration is doing what they can to make sure that doesn't happen.

ivotebolsheviklite

Someone told me that in 2014-2016. Sitting on 890% gains on those positions with an adjusted 650% on them when you factor in dividends. And MS is only getting bigger. They have an entire AI market that they can only grow into; copilot could get huge momentum from minor improvements, they are bound to gain more K-12 market share and the resulting founder effect that will be the result of the fact that Chromebooks are going to become far too shit to run proper K-12 STEM workloads because of LLMs, and their legacy tech is basically so entrenched on so many business systems that you literally just have to keep building on top of it or perish.

LurkerFailsLurking

The US federal government is shut down because we literally don't even have a budget anymore. The president just fucked over farmers by simultaneously stopping them from selling their products to China while subsidizing farmers abroad to compete with them. His 50× increase to the cost of H-1B visas combined with gutting and sabotaging STEM education from pre-K to graduate studies means the pipeline for skilled labor just got turned off, while effectively making it more cost effective for companies needing those workers to set up shop overseas. His war with his own federal reserve will eventually get him what he wants (low interest rates) and all the inflation that will come with it. Trump's new $100B extralegal federal paramilitary force with its hundreds of detention centers that are typically disconnected from the entire criminal justice system already has 60,000 people incarcerated indefinitely, almost three quarters of whom haven't even been charged with a crime, let alone tried, let alone convicted. By comparison, the EU's budget crisis is an ice cream social.

3rdthrow

I was in your situation once. I was investing >3x the cost of my rent. The Landlord only raised rent by 2% every year. It got me to coastFIRE and then I got renovicted. That is where the Landlord evicts everyone for renovations. The place wasn’t worth the new price and I moved to a nicer place. That apartment and getting a full ride scholarship to college, to get my STEM degree, were probably the two biggest breaks of my life.

Salty-Ganache3068

Well not gonna lie. It’s a lot. Especially if you’re in a high income bracket with significant assets, which basically eliminates the possibility of grants and subsidized loans. Community college aside. Based on my oldest stating this year, tuition, room and board at a ranked Private STEM program runs 90k a year. Equivalent state school about 50k. Private costs are offset by half by merit scholarships. State schools give penny’s. Net net. Easily 200K regardless of path.

That_anonymous_guy18

STEM 55k in TFSA, 100k in RSU, 10k in ROTH

Fjotla

STEM avgd at $90 still holding tho, diamond handing till it skyrockets

br0b1wan

Yeah private sector STEM research for example

Ok_Lawyer_3501

STEM reverse going up I would not touch it tho

bubbagumpskrimps222

STEM or corporate Finance & Accounting mostly.

job_or_no_job

Your post reeks of xenophobia, but yes all the Indians must be somehow related to Sundar Pichai. You’re also conflating “tech support” with skilled engineers, doctors, etc who are the majority of who is impacted by this. STEM fields are already disproportionately white, and Asians even more overrepresented, so unless this was paired with some kind of support to increase STEM education for Black, Latino, or native Americans, what you’re actually saying is that the jobs should go to white people (men) instead. Source for racial & gender gaps in STEM occupations: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/science-technology-math-race-ethnicity-gender-diversity-gap

job_or_no_job

Lmaoo this is some ignorant nonsense. I have friends on H1Bs who are some of the most brilliant researchers and engineers at Google, Microsoft, etc. When you say American here you mean white. The talent simply doesn’t exist here, nor is the educational training for STEM fields being made accessible to most Americans, white or otherwise.

Mharciello

I dont know whats STEM, but id rather teach a phD before that. Let them be genuine profesionals and experts, not ghey stuff

CEOofBeanz

It’s not necessarily true that we absolutely need immigrants to grow our tech industry. Now listen, at current standing we are certainly dependent on many H-1B immigrants in tech. But it needs to begin at the public school level, not H-1B which is the last step in the process. We need kids learning more complicated STEM, earlier. More programs to promote the success which can be achieved through this path, etc.

CapeMOGuy

I would rather call this a boon to currently underemployed US entry level STEM job seekers.

necessaryGood101

Whatever. The thing is, Trump is giving its STEM edge all away to China on a platter.

BeneficialNatural610

Big tech can afford it, but not small start ups. It's also short-sighted to assume everyone on h1b is in tech or engineering. There are many STEM professionals and experts in very niche fields with very low domestic labor supply who rely on H1b. Consider healthcare workers, teachers, researchers, mathematicians, physicists, molecular biologists, doctors, actuaries, statisticians, etc. Sure, there are Americans who can fill some of these roles, but we have H1b for a reason and there are many shortages in these fields. We should also consider the fact that this fee was dropped on us without warning. Many businesses have not had the chance to adjust their hiring practices or prepare their current H1b employees for this type of disruption. It will completely wreck the lives of many H1b holders and their families. It's extremely wreckless and it gives no consideration to everyone relying on the program 

bossholmes

Thanks for taking the time, have a few friends in public markets myself. Just curious on why you didn't consider (or make) the move to the buy-side? Esp when healthcare analysts are in super high-demand (esp pharma). Did you come from a STEM background yourself?

Smurf_Crime_Scene

STEM degrees are worthless when the likes of Brainworm Roadkill Jr are going to take every scientific discipline back to the Dark Ages.

pmotiveforce

Good luck with your STEM degrees on the next decade, retards.

Low_Administration22

Too many people in the US are too busy getting liberal degrees to be professionally mad rather than get a STEM degree.

Worf_Of_Wall_St

I suspect one reason that that doesn't happen is that Latin American countries have even lower STEM graduation rates than the United States, in both percentage of graduates and absolute number of graduates.

pinghing

That's 100,000 bankrupt American farmers that could've had those jobs in STEM

Montezooma49ers

If any big tech drops, I'll be there, between AI and an entry level graduate from a STEM degree it will all work out. Every worker learns more on the job than at college. 

fellowautists

For anyone thinking this will fix unemployment: We’ve seen the lowest immigration numbers, H1b approvals, renewals, immigrant visas, international students. Etc since pre COVID. Yet unemployment is still rising every month. We are at 7% unemployment rate. H1bs make up 0.3% of jobs and 2-3% of STEM jobs.

Worf_Of_Wall_St

The training you are referring to though is higher education, usually in STEM. I would love to see STEM curriculums become a larger percentage of college enrollments in the U.S. but how will this tax lead to that?

edtate00

Students are a funny problem. Especially in STEM, colleges are selling access to OPT for 2 years, which is a pipeline to H1b, the green cards, and citizenship. I have to believe that access to the US job market is one of the reasons foreign students will pay full tuition for graduate work in the states. This has two effects. First it crowds out domestic students from these programs. Secondarily it depresses pay for these areas (more supply always drops prices). Without the US employment pipeline to repay the tuition investment, the attractiveness of STEM will probably increase and draw more domestic talent. Assuming India and China continue growing and developing faster than the west, this foreign demand for school and availability of cheap foreign labor would have been destined to drop eventually. This probably just pulled a crisis ahead a few years.

Blue026

Or companies just hire domestically. The labor markets are full of recent STEM grads who can’t find a job

Blue026

No it’s not. Markets don’t care about it The vast majority of H1Bs are for entry to middle tier engineers or STEM jobs. Most of it is to get cheaper white collar labor or underpay positions. It’s been a form of wage suppression in different labor markets. There are no H1B doctors, licensed medical jobs, nurses etc. If anything, it will boost job numbers as companies will have to hire domestic employees.

Idaho1964

Those companies can afford it. Pay for free university in STEM to qualified Americans.

WetRacoon

Shocking amount of nonsense in the comments. It’s also blatantly obvious none of you work in big tech, certainly not in a role that handles hiring and comp. Not only is underpaying H1Bs illegal, but in tech they’re getting paid just as much as US born hires.  You think half your tech CEOs, who are foreign born, are making less?  Have you seen the makeup of senior managers and directors at these companies?  Of course you haven’t, because you’ve bought the anti-immigrant rhetoric hook-line-and-sinker. Americans will do anything but look in the mirror and admit that this has happened because you’ve been outworked by foreign born students and workers.  Plain and simple.  Tech doesn’t hire these people to save a buck (they don’t); they hire these people because they’re more talented than you.  And where does it start?  American universities.  The bulk of your top schools are private institutions where there exists no difference in tuition between domestics and internationals.  Guess what the makeup of graduating classes look, not only STEM, but also STEAM? America has let its public education be eaten alive by private interest, and has attempted to survive off a husk for decades.  Combined with the sheer laziness of the average American, along with the meteoric rise of anti-intellectualism, you’re finally feeling the consequences, but looking at the comments there’s obvious denial in play here. Either way, if order sticks (it likely won’t), it would devastate your ability to compete.  You won’t feel it today or even tomorrow, but years from now.  Sort of how you’re seeing the consequences of your own educational failings now, after decades of destroying your capacity to work hard. TLDR; Americans are dumber than foreign born talent and are also too dumb to recognize this fact

Shazz777

Most of you have no idea about the tech sector job market. I’m sure there are companies that are trying to penny pinch with the H1B program but usually that’s what offshoring to India, South America and Eastern Europe is for. The appeal of the H1B visa is that it handcuffs a highly skilled sought after engineer to a company for anywhere between 5-10 years until they get a green card. If Trump doesn’t fully back out of this, here’s what’s gonna happen: - Big Tech with good relationship with Trump admin are gonna get exemptions on the fees. - Wherever there’s a world class STEM university with internationals graduating and an immigration pathway like Canada, UK and Germany big tech companies already have offices there and they will just have to expand them. Startups on the other hand will look at working with specialized consulting companies who hire the talent in these countries and the startup gets them as contractors. I already know a lot of AI engineer types who are working for startups in America from Canada like this. This is probably not the right subreddit for this discussion but if you want more job security and better living conditions for Americans, you should support workers rights, unions and a socialist government investing in advanced technology sectors and infrastructure while offering free secondary education. This is just Trump setting up another quick money grab scheme that’s not gonna do you American citizens any good.

Brave-Reflection40

Just to play devil's advocate.....many U.S. citizens that have graduated from college with STEM degrees are having a hard time getting jobs. Why can't these companies simply hire U.S. citizens and just pay a little more rather than hiring Indians and Chinese and paying very little?

sonicking12

Are those domestic STEM graduates not getting jobs?

madison_hedgecock39

What exactly are you looking for? STEM graduation rates? Look them up

Affectionate-Act4981

Not likely.. tech will just decide to pause hiring and reorg more overseas and to Canada. What it'll really do is kill any remaining reason for anyone to want to pursue higher education in the US, because let's be honest  - it's too expensive for locals with the loans ballooning and the loan cap from the last bill killing legal/med school ambitions, and now no more foreign grads interested in STEM h1b either. Foreign grads (if they really think the education is valuable) will come, study, and then immediately leave for another country to work. As a citizen and an engineer this is obviously personally a good thing for me since I also happen to have my own software consulting business and will likely be in high demand now, but this will definitely mean we have a Soviet style brain drain in a few years.

IcyMinds

How many people you know that graduated from tech could not get a job because of H1B? Let me tell you the answer: 0. Because there are not enough people who are willing to go into STEM at graduate level. Smart kids go to law school med school, dumb kids can’t do math.

gizcard

About 20% of all STEM grads in USA were not born in USA

mylastserotonin

They have been in the country for 7 years, not on H1B for 7 years. 4 year college, 1 year OPT, 2 year STEM extension, and assuming they just got H1B, it would check out. Or 4 year college, 2 years master’s, 1 year OPT and then H1B. Either way, getting an H1B is the first step towards permanent residency, which is what anyone would want after working in a country for 6 years on a work visa + more if they were a student. Buying a house when you’re planning your future in the US is not crazy

dj_samuelitobx

Bro there are a million "cyber security" whatever the fucks.  I make more playing tracks off Spotify than a tech dork helping normies figure out 2fa. They made AI for this already and it's never going to take off, because machines do not produce clout. Humans do.  STEM grads should practice putting fries in my bag. 

d33p7r0ubl3

Colleges don’t exist to prepare people for the workforce. They’re to let people study fields they are interested in. I studied CS but I have more respect for an English major than a STEM major. At least these dudes know how to communicate

LordMohid

Lmfao you still living with this delusion? STEM jobs are competitively paid to H1b employees as well as citizens both. There is hardly any incentive to hire non Americans for highly skilled jobs. The H1b application itself requires LCAs and what not, go do some research before crying over personal skill issues, or is that too much for your brain cells?

luv2block

China has been producing more STEM graduates since 2007. This game is over, all that's left is for the fat lady to sing.

iD-10T_usererror

Dual degree engineer here. My first is in mechanical. 20+ years of industry experience. I suggest you do a search of "STEM crisis is a myth". I'm not sure why so many people decided to use this title for similar investigations but they did. In summary, America doesn't really value much of anything "engineering" or "science". The people that were busy getting MBA degrees in another building decided long ago that we could (and should) just outsource all that hard stuff. Mostly, because it's too expensive in their underdeveloped minds that only see the short term. The CEO's have the ear of government and want higher profits. Engineering was a high paying job that cost companies lots of money. So, they applied the simple economic principle of supply and demand by inventing a fake crisis to cut that cost by increasing supply. Now, we fill stadium on top of stadium with highly qualified engineering graduates every year to flood the labor market and drive down salary costs. Most CEOs, and both sides of the political aisle, promote student visas to bring in even more competition and drive costs down even more. After completing their degree in the US, most want to stay here and will take just about anything to get a work visa. The system is corrupt. Given that most people with STEM degrees end up as real estate agents, I don't have much confidence in your strategy here. Just look at the garbage America considers "innovation". Cryptocurrency being the main one that comes to mind. I think it would take another world war where America was pitted against China to bring back real demand for mechanical engineering initiatives.

Bravadette

Ooh that sounds cool. I'm actually STEM, in the plant science sector . So im mostly on reddit for nature, hiking, and environmental stuff (hence EV batteries). I started learning finance stuff on the side now that I have savings. I hope it works out for you. At your age I didnt have a penny to invest so its always good to see young ones making the best of it

Happy-Youth8497

STEM students have their professors and people that work in the industry, if you work in tech you know how much of a surplus in software engineers there are, in a sector that in my opinion kinda peaked with AI, while in the physical section we've barely touched, think about it. almost all work done through computers in an office can be automized or will be automized with AI, if not it can be outsourced to indians for bucks. I do not doubt your knowledge as a grad, but do you truly believe we're not behind on tech when it comes to physical stuff? compared to software

therealjerseytom

> if you ask most STEM students they'll tell you mechanical engineering will be the new hot field over compsci And what wisdom or crystal ball do these teenagers have exactly...? Engineering really doesn't come in firmly-distinguished buckets anymore, if it ever did. I say that as a mechanical engineering grad who does mostly software work and analysis these days.

redtitbandit

as of right now, 10:10am, my brokerage account is up more TODAY than i will earn working 2020 hours at my STEM job in 2025. today more than half of the stocks in my account are up +3.5%, one is up +40% I'm melting! Melting! Oh, what a world, what a world! Who would have thought.......

FawningDeer37

American politics as it pertains to economics makes no sense. Like, some dude who grows and sells soy to Brazil for a living will vote to stop selling things to Brazil solely to minorly inconvenience a guy like me with a STEM Masters.

Adorable_Is9293

In case anyone is not aware: autism is hereditary. That’s it. There’s no legitimate debate about the “causes” of autism. It’s just part of the wide spectrum of ways that humans can be and the associated traits can even be beneficial for some autistic people under certain circumstances. Autism is over-represented in the STEM fields, for instance. See also, Dr Grandin’s work on visual thinking and her revolutionizing of animal slaughter practices. See also, Tylenol is basically the *only* medication that pregnant women aren’t currently advised against taking. So OBVIOUSLY most pregnant women have taken it during the 9 months of their pregnancy. No causative link should be inferred. And, the old (and only) study linking vaccines to autism was retracted, the data was falsified and the author had conflicts of interest.

luv2block

The bigger issue is the educational system. China is producing more STEM graduates than anywhere else in the world. That's what is going to destroy America.

HangryNotHungry

BABA and ONC lifting up the china economy for China sector rotation for more investments in China AI, BIOTECH, and STEM 📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈

HangryNotHungry

China stocks. Been beaten down and no one likes it for past years, but i see BABA sentiment lifting chinese sector along with more funding in China STEM/BIOTECH/AI Investments

HangryNotHungry

China stocks. Been beaten down and no one likes it for past years, but i see BABA sentiment lifting chinese sector along with more funding in China STEM/BIOTECH/AI Investments

throwaway2676

Not really close. I'm a STEM phd who actually works in CS making much more than you...who has developed a gambling addiction

Big-block427

I’m not a seer, which you may fancy yourself as. What I believe is that we’re in the early stages of a worldwide AI revolution, and the employment opportunities that are here now, but will clearly grow exponentially will afford the next couple of generations jobs in areas that today may not even exist. But, it requires a focus on STEM even more than we can now envision. For those who will really want it, the answer is always education, skill building and not being afraid to fail. I’m out now.

Tha_Sly_Fox

It hasn’t traded on fundamentals in years even back when Musk was darling of the left for his EV prowess and STEM background I remember almost 10 years ago a relative who works for a large American auto maker venting to me about how Tesla was valued higher than their company despite not having any financial stats to justify it

iBoMbY

Yes, China has 2.5 million STEM graduates more than the US every year, and all they do is copy your "freedom technology". lol. Your propaganda is getting really ridiculous.

DFW_BjornFree

Imagine working a real job that requires a STEM masters degree and making less than some guy trading options and futures in his boxers eating cheeto puffs and touching his lil johny.  Oh wait... why are my fingers cheesy

mygoodoldreddit

STEM going to 24.

Tkins

Data centers are not strictly for AI and ESPECIALLY not for LLMs. There is a ton of compute power used for all sorts of machine learning/AI beyond simple LLMs. Think about alpha evolve, alpha fold, your navigation, your search engines, ad and social media algorythms, the list goes on and on. In STEM research AI is involved in nearly 100% of all research. The OP is also full of shit. GPT 5 is a massive success. Consumers are just lost in what makes a good business case. GPT 5 is SOTA while being far far more efficient and cost effective. From a business standpoint that is a huge bonus to performance and profitability. Google was already ahead of the game in this domain, but now Open AI has both the efficiency advantage, intelligence advantage and agentic advantage. GPT 5 pro is also a sginificant step up in coding, agentic work and accuracy. Your average robosexual is not interseted in these things. They prefer sycophantic models that pump their ego, where GPT 5 is more factual and business profsesional. The vast majority of people are grossly misunderstanding the business side of AI and it's effectiveness. They seem to think these businesses are operating on the idea that RIGHT NOW AI is going to replace people, so when it doesn't , people claim it's all hype. That's not what they have been saying though. The earliest I've seen predicted by a reputable exec is Amodei from Anthropic who said we could see 50% of entry level white collar jobs replaced in 2026. We're still a year away from that. In AI terms, a year is massive progress. Other execs are not on this same timeline, they are looking at 2030's for actual job replacement. Even AI 2027, which is considered very agressive with its timelines, has a median disruption year of 2028.

Previous-Grocery4827

Not to mention the rampant H1B abuse gutting the middle class and causing really high unemployment for recent CS grads. We told them to get STEM degrees and then threw them to the wolves.

shmoopie_shmoopie

Lawyer is now a STEM field?

strawberrymiint

Just my thoughts so it might be complete bullshit. In China a lot of the older generation worked shitty factory jobs. They saved all their money and poured it into the education of their children. Asian culture puts a very high emphasis on education. These parents are sacrificing a lot so that their kid can go to a good university with the expectation that the kid gets a well paying corporate job. Also, many parents want their kid to be in a STEM field (doctor, engineer, or lawyer). So now you have a generation of Chinese youth who have been told all their life that if they try hard in school, they don’t have to work the same shitty job as their parents. Plus they all are in like the same 5 fields of study. China has more shit paying manufacturing jobs compared to white collar jobs. Idk much about Mexican culture, but I don’t there’s the pressure to become a doctor/lawyer/engineer/white collar worker. Also the one child policy in China didn’t help. Now parents/grandparents have exceedingly high expectations for the only kid in their family to succeed when the jobs aren’t there.