BTC

DocInABox33

Blue chip only the rest are speculative like penny stocks. It only works if you get in early and just way too much risk to get rugged My ideal allocation: 75-80% BTC 20-25% ETH

5000-Shark-Teeth

Do you think it is a good idea to at least diversify a little bit across cryptos or all you all in on BTC?

gainsusmaximus

!banbet BTC 122,000 5d

RedStag1905

BTC died last week, right? What's this, the resurrection?

DocInABox33

Friend you didn’t realize it perhaps, but you just made the case for BTC that we’ve all been shouting out loud since 2008 GFC “[A recent study by JPMorgan says that Bitcoin (BTC)…is now undervalued”](https://biztechcommunity.com/news/jpmorgan-says-bitcoin-is-worth-less-than-it-is-and-sets-a-goal-of-126000-by-the-end-of-2025/)” “[The Path to $1 Million](https://www.investopedia.com/when-could-bitcoin-hit-usd1-million-experts-weigh-in-11793017)” “Jurrien Timmer, Fidelity's global head of macro, has claimed that [Bitcoin could go as high as $1 billion](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/holding-0-001-bitcoin-could-190859523.html) by 2038”

Jesus_Right_Nut

How do you play MSTR? Based off BTC price or how much litigation the company is in at any given moment?

csgonab0001

I’ve been looking into it and it feels super undervalued for what they do. People think it’s just a crypto ETF wrapper, but they’re basically a crypto bank custody, staking, ETPs, and even direct investments in projects. Their AUM grows when BTC/ETH pump, which means more revenue. The stock already ran from $0.06 to $5 in 2023 and now sits around $3, but if Bitcoin really hits $100K–150K this cycle, I wouldn’t be surprised to see DEFT 3–5x. Seems like one of those underhyped side plays while everyone is staring at BTC or ETF High risk- high reward ahh stock (i'm in)

Rocketeer006

People who say this forget that you can also make BTC more secure with quantum computing.

mojavetheory

BTC sell program active

greyenlightenment

lol ppl really thought BTC would get to 120k. double top dumped at 118k even as QQQ and tsla keep going up.

Prestigious-Run-6990

BTC will never be over 500k again boys. It’s joever Sorry just practicing for 3 years from now

mojavetheory

BTC Lower highs confirms gradual supply pressure. Failed breakout attempts. Waiting for the liquidity flush.

quod-inquisitio

i buy ~120dte spy calls at about 15-20 delta, up ~75% on these, on big rally days i STO some calls 5-10 strikes further out to turn some of the calls into call debit spreads and then BTC them on red days when they are in profit to lock in some gains and reduce CB on the long calls. i close the position usually at around 90-70dte.

Jerikolol

So uh, gheycorn is nearing ATH again (4%ish), up 8% in the last few days.. we wanna talk about that or? As soon as shutdown is over next week, its back down -10%? This is a fake hype pump ye? Or its BTC ghey seasonality where the cucklords exist their basements and all buy crypto at the end of the year, before selling off in '26?

MiscBlackKnight

SOL and BTC made a movie, I predict a good CIFR/IREN and GLXY day tmrw.

veljones69

If AI happens like it's being described, IREN will be a massive winner. If it's mediocre but BTC goes to $200k, IREN will be a winner. If AI is mediocre and crypto busts, IREN will lag. All of the money being shoveled into AI and Crypto, it's hard to see the lag scenario happening. IREN is going to be a ten year hold for me and I think $300 is very fair within that window. You didn't say $300 in the next 12 months. People will shit on that price projection because they are looking for fast money. I think IREN still has 10x potential long term.

pseudonominom

True, but it’s a pedantic take. Let’s all be honest about what goes on in people’s “investment” portfolios. On an unrelated note, have we talked about TSLA/RKLB/NVDA/BTC/PLTR yet today?

d5t

Brother do you have a whole coin or a fraction of BTC? 45k liquidated equals 0.38 BTC as of my post

Educational_Pie_9572

Sorry, I'm neurodivergent and I think on different levels. I'm not saying I think better or i'm better than anyone because i'm definitely not. You’re absolutely right about the mechanics in a normal, healthy-ish stock. BTC undoes the short and cancels the obligation. I agree and that is textbook. What I’m now defending instead of discussing. In a stock that’s dying or heading toward delisting. Where's the liquidity, the volume or the counterparty to his puts? Where's the attractive part of this counter story. The supply is there, but where's the demand? My buffet analogy is exactly about that. I paid the ticket to be on the cruise ship in my rooms I bought and I'm sitting in the dining room near the buffet that isn’t being restocked anymore. No one else is joining to eat anymore because the ship is sinking. So if I try to BTC on these rooms of a sinking ship that i don't want to own. Who’s actually going to take that other side on a put in a stock that’s bleeding? Nobody wants to be assigned shares (rooms on a cruise ship that is sinking) of something going to zero. Yes, “buy to close” is the correct move in principle and I've used it plenty when a stock is ripping to close out my CCs. But in a sinking-ship scenario, it may be impossible or prohibitively expensive because there’s no market left just like there's no food in the buffet or other entertainment analogies to sell people a ticket on. That’s my point sir. The theoretical mechanics don’t help you if the exit door has locked itself shut. Oh yeah, that last part reminds me what if options and trades get halted during this process and he didn't get out quickly. Then he's really fucked because it's all sitting unknown until the stock opens again for trading.

DLun203

Pretty sure you’re reading the market price of BTC. “If I sell it all I will have $45,000” So you have 0.38 btc

trent_upscale

Stuffed a potato in my ass APLD DOCN OPEN PGY BTC

Old-Collection-224

Puts on BTC? looks like it's topping

crazier_ed

Problem is BTC was invented by an alien and she already left back for her planet... Cant shipoast while superluminal...

PaperHandsTheDip

BTC ceo needs to just start shitposting on twitter like mr elon, it'll moon for sure

Justzyn_Jefferzyn

It’s simple, BTC needed the top dawg to cut rates to sniff 150k, I can’t wait for the day! 

UsernameTaken_123

BTC will reach 1 million by 2027 (because the USD will be worthless)

Coloradospruce33

BTC @ 119K???? I gotta be dreaming!!!

Mother-Chipmunk2778

BTC bers crying into their pillows

ThatGuyCalledEric

Big beautiful green penis on BTC 🍆

ILoveWesternCenter

Look at BTC GO!!!!

NochillWill123

If you not buying BTC idk what to tell you besides. Shoulda coulda woulda

NochillWill123

Shows us that even the US can’t stop BTC from operating. Bullish

ThatGuyCalledEric

Second green day pending for BTC 🪙

NochillWill123

My beautiful BTC is recovering spectacularly

Crazy_Donkies

Not to be outdone by NVDA, OpenAI, and CRWV's love affair.  Bitcorn CEO announces they just invested $2 trillion BTC into COIN. COIN agreed to resell BTC to 22 to 29 year old crypto bros living with their parents.  The expectation is these rent free pigeons will buy more BTC and raise the value.  

Best_Cure

Buy small amounts of the main crypto coins and hold. Many experts are predicting a major increase in BTC. Supported by a long period of consolidation. It’s very cyclical and looking at the entire Bitcoin chart history is very informative. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/121815/bitcoins-price-history.asp

Mean-Evidence-4056

hoping for less deliveries than last quarter, probably wont happen but would show the car biz is in trouble, not that it matters to the stock price it seems :( . They got lucky with BTC only being down like 4K/coin than last quarter which was pretty much saved their quarter, let's see the numbers tomorrow!

kawkface

Who's kawk do I need to suck for BTC $10 MM

emkendrilama08

sell and buy BTC

mojavetheory

For selling 200 BTC, go OTC with a top-tier desk. Coinbase Prime, Binance OTC, Kraken OTC, Cumberland, or Galaxy Digital are trusted choices.

Separate_Sea8717

BTC and Roth IRA.

notmarduke

BTC too, off highs today 

captain_ahabb

Stock: a share of a corporation. Every so often you'll be paid a small dividend based on the corporation's income. Most platforms will let you reinvest these dividends automatically. Stocks tend to go up reliably because the economy usually grows and the financially successful companies that make up the big indexes usually increase their income. Stocks have the best return in the long run but are prone to big price drops every decade or so. Bond: basically a loan in reverse. You give a corporation or government entity some money and over time they pay you back at a fixed rate. Since the payments are pre-defined and bondholders are paid first in bankruptcy (before shareholders), bonds are safer than stocks (altho some can still be risky!). The safest bonds, Treasuries, are issued by the US government. The riskiest, junk bonds, are issued by companies (and govts) that are at risk of not being able to pay the bond back (this is called "default"). Gold: shiny metal. Gold's value mostly comes from sentiment and tradition but it does have industrial applications. Governments have traditionally kept stockpiles of gold to "back" their currencies. (Once upon a time paper currency was supposed to represent the equivalent amount of gold, but this was abandoned after WW2 after it became impractical) Crypto: math problems. Crypto allows for "trustless" peer-to-peer transactions as a decentralized alternative to other forms of electronic transaction like ACH or wires. Most crypto investing is speculative on the thesis that cryptocurrencies will substantially replace traditional currencies like the dollar and, since the supply of crypto is limited, the people holding crypto when that happens will get a huge wealth transfer to them. I am skeptical that this will happen but it's hard to deny the huge surge of BTC in particular. ETFs: these are basically "stocks" that represent something other than 1 share in 1 corporation. Index funds allow you to buy a little bit of *everything* on the market. Other funds let you buy a specific sector, a specific country etc. Some are leveraged, which means they move at a multiple of the underlying stock. Be wary of these, their behavior can be counterintuitive. Some don't even correlate with stocks at all: you can use ETFs to get "exposure" to bonds, commodities like gold or oil, cryptocurrencies and all kinds of other things. As a 16 year old with (presumably) limited income I would say don't overthink it. The smartest thing is probably just to buy stocks.

MilkshakeBoy78

HIVE is invisible and extremely undervalued compared to the competitors. https://imgur.com/a/888CBQ9 MCap / EHs, Liabilities / Equity The smaller these are the better. --- HIVE has the smallest market cap and requires the least amount of capital to grow. They has the most EH/s relative to market cap and has the least amount of liabilities relative to equity. --- They currently are mining 9 BTC a day and they will be mining 12 a day by the end of the year. Hive has maintained positive gross mining margins every quarter. They have a mining margin of 55% because one of their main mining facility is powered by hydro-electric. --- Some of the competitors are profitable, some mine more BTC and some have more HPC revenue but all of HIVE's competitors are not as undervalued as HIVE. --- HIVE has been adding HPC for AI and is aiming for 100m annual revenue in HPC by 2026. They had 14.8m in HPC revenue by the end of the 2nd Quarter for 2025. The data center they own is in Toronto near the University of Toronto and the airport.

MilkshakeBoy78

HIVE is invisible and extremely undervalued compared to the competitors. https://imgur.com/a/888CBQ9 MCap / EHs, Liabilities / Equity The smaller these are the better. --- HIVE has the smallest market cap and requires the least amount of capital to grow. They has the most EH/s relative to market cap and has the least amount of liabilities relative to equity. --- They currently are mining 9 BTC a day and they will be mining 12 a day by the end of the year. Hive has maintained positive gross mining margins every quarter. They have a mining margin of 55% because one of their main mining facility is powered by hydro-electric. --- Some of the competitors are profitable, some mine more BTC and some have more HPC revenue but all of HIVE's competitors are not as undervalued as HIVE. --- HIVE has been adding HPC for AI and is aiming for 100m annual revenue in HPC by 2026. They had 14.8m in HPC revenue by the end of the 2nd Quarter for 2025. The data center they own is in Toronto near the University of Toronto and the airport.

MilkshakeBoy78

HIVE is invisible and extremely undervalued compared to the competitors. https://imgur.com/a/888CBQ9 MCap / EHs, Liabilities / Equity The smaller these are the better. --- HIVE has the smallest market cap and requires the least amount of capital to grow. They has the most EH/s relative to market cap and has the least amount of liabilities relative to equity. --- They currently are mining 9 BTC a day and they will be mining 12 a day by the end of the year. Hive has maintained positive gross mining margins every quarter. They have a mining margin of 55% because one of their main mining facility is powered by hydro-electric. --- Some of the competitors are profitable, some mine more BTC and some have more HPC revenue but all of HIVE's competitors are not as undervalued as HIVE. --- HIVE has been adding HPC for AI and is aiming for 100m annual revenue in HPC by 2026. They had 14.8m in HPC revenue by the end of the 2nd Quarter for 2025. The data center they own is in Toronto near the University of Toronto and the airport.

bilboomerbaggins

BTC literally pumping all day lol

MilkshakeBoy78

HIVE is invisible and extremely undervalued compared to the competitors. https://imgur.com/a/888CBQ9 MCap / EHs, Liabilities / Equity The smaller these are the better. --- HIVE has the smallest market cap and requires the least amount of capital to grow. They has the most EH/s relative to market cap and has the least amount of liabilities relative to equity. --- They currently are mining 9 BTC a day and they will be mining 12 a day by the end of the year. Hive has maintained positive gross mining margins every quarter. They have a mining margin of 55% because one of their main mining facility is powered by hydro-electric. --- Some of the competitors are profitable, some mine more BTC and some have more HPC revenue but all of HIVE's competitors are not as undervalued as HIVE. --- HIVE has been adding HPC for AI and is aiming for 100m annual revenue in HPC by 2026. They had 14.8m in HPC revenue by the end of the 2nd Quarter for 2025. The data center they own is in Toronto near the University of Toronto and the airport.

MilkshakeBoy78

HIVE is invisible and extremely undervalued compared to the competitors. https://imgur.com/a/888CBQ9 MCap / EHs, Liabilities / Equity The smaller these are the better. --- HIVE has the smallest market cap and requires the least amount of capital to grow. They has the most EH/s relative to market cap and has the least amount of liabilities relative to equity. --- They currently are mining 9 BTC a day and they will be mining 12 a day by the end of the year. Hive has maintained positive gross mining margins every quarter. They have a mining margin of 55% because one of their main mining facility is powered by hydro-electric. --- Some of the competitors are profitable, some mine more BTC and some have more HPC revenue but all of HIVE's competitors are not as undervalued as HIVE. --- HIVE has been adding HPC for AI and is aiming for 100m annual revenue in HPC by 2026. They had 14.8m in HPC revenue by the end of the 2nd Quarter for 2025. The data center they own is in Toronto near the University of Toronto and the airport.

babar_the_elephant_

Berkshire Hathaway unable to make gains because they didn't buy any BTC.

SignificantStuff5446

Those who have held LAC through the last few years remind me of all who held BTC, ETH and INTC through the last few years. You deserve every penny of this. No idea how it was trading at such low levels last week and look forward to you and others who are holding at those levels becoming profitable on your positions. Congrats. in advance.

PackageHot1219

This market is frothy af and if you’re going to invest now, I would invest in things that will do well during economic uncertainty and inflation… cash rich, no debt companies that are likely to thrive during a downtrend. Berkshire is a good defensive stock IMO. There’s a gaming company you can’t mention here that has turned around its retail operations and is sitting in about $9B in cash waiting to scoop up bargains in a downturn and BTC would be a decent hedge against a deteriorating $ IMO. I would not go all in though… I would look at investing 20% at a time on a quarterly basis when you see pull backs over the next year+ and keeping your cash in a high yield, savings account or CD’s in the meantime. I see a lot of people saying the days of the market going down are over… they’re not. They’re just waiting for more people to think that’s the case.

Justzyn_Jefferzyn

Found myself in that sweet spot (3-4 beers deep) last Thursday in a Buffalo Wild Wings, opened up Coinbase to look at my BTC, saw it was at 109k, didn’t think twice about it and added a lot.  Gut feeling while tipsy > using brain 

Cagliari77

I don't think anymore in 2025. But BTC is a long term asset for me. I don't care about a few months or even a few years from today.

Atonpy1

I do. I believe BTC has lots of room to grow long term.

ggtfcjj

You think BTC has still room to run in 2025?

Cagliari77

Stocks 30% Stock Options 30% ETF 10% Cryptocurrency 25% (only BTC and ETH) Gold 5%

NWHipHop

And BTC up

TylerBlozak

Buying anything related to gold or BTC

a_human_21

BTC UP , so GPUS will fly

Ok-Albatross-3804

$BTC Breakout. BTC Stonks > $DEFT $HIVE $CAN

eupherein

BTC ATH could use a catalyst

PaperHandsTheDip

oh cryptos. I don't invest in those in trad tickers, just HFT stuff. Always scares me -- I've been thru like 4 BTC crashes (I followed in during MtGox days & mined dogecoin in 2014). I've seen just how much confidence the market can have in it -- and just how quickly it can come tumbling down. I've seen several -65-70% dumps from ATH on BTC. Lotta risk in those markets right now, so I just never touch them. Buy the dump / crash is the winning move on crypto it seems tho.

SignificantStuff5446

BTC too.

FoodisCare

I would start learning about crypto maybe acquire .1 BTC. Just me personally if money is going truly digital in the future would want some allocation.

Recent_Register_2952

on BTC right? right??????

NochillWill123

As long as BTC pumps / holds above 13K I’m chillin

EvolvingDior

BTC has been recovering for the last couple of days.

Consistent_Fall_3403

Why is BTC up for 5 straight hours?

EvoBrah

BTC

spaceneenja

Nah this guy just trades the BTC:DOGE ratio.

Seattleman1955

It depends of the specifics of your case. The average recession is 2 years. Just ride it out. When you retire you will have SS as will your wife. Can you live on that? If so, then just keep some percentage in cash (money market) and the rest in stocks. I'm 70 and have enough for 2 years in a money market fund and the rest in QQQ and BTC. SS pays enough for groceries and utilities. My house and car are paid for. Do you need your investments on a day to day basis in retirement?

This_Squash_3442

I'm not saying buy it but look at GPUS (Hyperscale Data) next. They're a green energy data storage company. US defence contracts and BTC mining, given the state of the world fairly good bets and still V low MC stock. Have a good day

Fitl4L

Dude, cash out and delete RH. Invest it all into a hysa or BTC or spy shares on fidelity until the next good flip. Otherwise, it’s all gone already.

StosifJalin

I agree with you 100%, BTC does most things I would want out of a store of value asset and has enough momentum to resist things like it with slightly better features. Just leaving room for the possibility of something better that I cannot conceive of yet. I'm sure there were some very smart people that predicted something like bitcoin to come along eventually, but I am certainly not one of them. We are already in uncharted territory on multiple fronts and things might get real weird in our lifetime.

papakong88

Buy to close a put at a loss and within 30 days buy stock is a wash sale. See the last table in [https://tradelog.com/education/wash-sales-for-traders/#triggers](https://tradelog.com/education/wash-sales-for-traders/#triggers) If your intention is to capture the loss and own the stock you can do this: BTC the put for a loss. Buy a call expiring in 31 days or more. The purchase will cause the BTC a wash sale. Disallowed loss is added to the cost basis of the call. Buy stock. After 31 days, STC the call.

friedbymoonlight

MSTR holds ~ 47 billion in BTC         Has market cap around 85 billion  What’s the upside?

notmarduke

I'm convinced BTC is a leading indicator today. 113200 we're moving up, under 113000 down

harpswtf

Nobody actually uses BTC as a currency, and it's easy now to buy it online if you want to gamble with the ponzi investment in it, with less fees and less sketchiness. Scams are basically the only thing keeping BTC ATMs alive now.

StosifJalin

Sure, but if it only takes a couple dozen 1GW fusion reactors to almost effortlessly produce 50% of what mining produces each year as a byproduct, that limited scarcity will absolutely be effected. Golds value is mostly perceived value, not real-world value, which means it is mostly dependent on sentiment. BTC is also sentiment driven, but its scarcity is absolute and it has several important features that make it a more convenient store of value that gold does not. All that stands in the way of it being a better store of value in every way is gold-like stability achieved by wide-spread adoption, which is the direction we are headed. My main point though isn't that specifically buttcoin will replace gold. Just that *something* absolutel, inevitably *must,* and that BTC just happens to currently be the most likely at the moment. Something better may of course come along in the meantime.

Fun-Personality-8008

It's just as feasible as a sentient AI being created and it only accepting Bitcoin for payment (which is my only bull thesis for BTC - so like, slim to none)

jsha_xufuard

ACHR position cracked me up. People ignore that name but you’re quietly milking it. I like how you took the BTC early instead of getting greedy. Those premiums add up. Archer been volatile enough for income plays without needing to size huge.

chiwiwis702

We gotta pump GLD higher than BTC fam 🚀

Dry-Mousse-6172

Break BTC and steal all the banks money. I am rich now.

Sapere_aude75

You should really talk with a financial planner and/or tax professional. The traditional and roth IRAs should be handled differently. The BTC and ETH can be sold and converted to different assets, but you shouldn't withdrawal funds from the accounts without careful consideration. You can minimize the tax on the traditional ira by spreading the withdrawal out over a period of years.

AggressiveBug8071

I might sell my BTC to buy this stock dip....

greytoc

Your question doesn't really make any sense. What does "single index fund" that is primarily composed of bitcoin and ethereum mean to you? There is really no such thing. What specific fund are you talking about? Are you talking about IBIT and ETHA or something else? There are lots of ways to liquidate and/or reduce the holding. But it depends on what you actually hold. Also - 2mm is insignificant and it won't affect the price of a liquid funds or BTC or ETH. But it depends on what you actually mean. If you want to have a meaningful discussion - share the fund ticker.

MediocreAd7175

What do you plan to do with that money that will outpace BTC and ETH?

Minimalist12345678

You’re not talking about an index fund if it’s 50/50 BTC & ETH. Just sell it using a limit order. You won’t move the market with such a piddlingly small amount (in terms of overall market depth)

harryburgeron

As long as Trump keeps killing the dollar (DXY), equities benefit. When the dollar is down, cash flows into equities, bonds, gold, BTC (maybe). So a government shutdown could be good for markets temporarily. Long term, Trump policies, tariffs, debt is not good for the US economy.

Sapere_aude75

Just because it's more speculative in your opinion than other investments, doesn't mean it's not an investment. lots of investments are speculative. Look at seed and angel investing. People invest in USD, GBP, Euro, etc... every day and they are all guaranteed to lose value in the long run. Hell, gold is primarily a speculative investment and could be called a greater fool scam. I'll bet you as much as you want that BTC outperforms USD or SGOV over the next 10 years. The only reason USD or most other currencies has value is because of faith. It's also speculative. Crypto has so many use cases other than anti aml. Why do you think Nasdaq and Robinhood are tokenizing assets. I'm not saying people who are money laundering shouldn't be prosecuted. It's a small part of the system though. People should be entitled to be secure in the persons and effects. You likely live in a first world country and you choose to have faith in your banking and fiscal/monetary system. Not everyone does. Governments have time and time again confiscated wealth and stolen from their people. People should have every right to protect themselves from such things with crypto, prescious metals, etc... It's a check on corrupt banking and government.

K07777

Reliance Global Group (RELI) Announces Strategic Bitcoin (BTC) Purchase as Part of Digital Asset Treasury Strategy….nfa

corndog_messiah

How they gonna Massacre my boy BTC again?

advanceman

JNUG right before it fundamentally broke, BTC right before it went from 60 to 20, most recently SVIX right before tariffs. Needless to say they’re all back and I sold at the bottom. Currently riding VIXY into the ground.

barely_a_manager

I shorted BTC at 10k as the whole world was starting to print money for the pandemic

HumidMind

Whose consensus? Look at BTC v Gold this year. Crypto is a big part of my risk on game but we very late in this bull cycle. I flipped 90% of my digishit and all crypto profits into gold etf in Jan. Play with BTC after the crash. :)

HumidMind

Whose consensus? Look at BTC v Gold this year. Crypto is a big part of my risk on game but we very late in this bull cycle. I flipped 90% of my digishit and all crypto profits into gold etf in Jan. Play with BTC after the crash. :)

HumidMind

Whose consensus? Look at BTC v Gold this year. Crypto is a big part of my risk on game but we very late in this bull cycle. I flipped 90% of my digishit and all crypto profits into gold etf in Jan. Play with BTC after the crash. :)

HumidMind

Learn about specific investments and stack dip cash in SPAXX or Gold (GLDM is my fav for ez cheap in and out). Stuff that Roth with 8k every January of fresh stocks you learned about and believe in. Gold. Real estate is a whole nuther world, REITs or physical. Avoid options. Crypto has a huge learning curve, 2 cycles at least and ETH or BTC only. Metal trading will eat you too. ETFs are ez to be an average investor, but who wants average? You make wealth with concentration in great investments. You diversify to hold the profits.

my5cworth

Yeah man to hell with those guys. I only lost $4k, but it was such an unnecessary loss that it does feel nefarious. I made good money on buying AMC @ $9 & selling @ $57 which I then put into $BBBY like a true regard. Yet that Still doesn't come close to me buying 0.1BTC worth of loopring back in the day (0.1BTC was worth a LOT less back then, but it still hurts thinking about it now) I have a gift for buying at the top and cashing out at the bottom.