BTC

PookieMan1989

I’ve been talking about $WULF for years and people wrote me off as being in chromosomal disarray. This thing is nowhere near done. IREN will be even juicier. CIFR will also pound. All significant BTC miners will be making the transition to HPC.

Randomperson1362

I've been selling BTC to buy RDDT over the past month, and haven't regretted it yet.

BainTrain55

BTC has only gone up less than 5% since mid December. S&P 500 has gone up over 6% in that same time frame.

kcyc2123

BTC sells off intraday.

PumpzandGainz

See he's loading up BTC

TheyCallMeSardonic

BTC going to do a reverse Bart and everything shoots back up.

Syab_of_Caltrops

Deeply hated stock. If you look at BTC, MSTR, and RIOT side by side, it's clear that smart money doesn't see any future in mining.

AllCapNoBrake

BTC bols about to fall for it aren't they.

Substantial_Lake5957

Lol The Chinese invented tokenized shares 20 years ago, even earlier than the birth of BTC.

my5cworth

Hey everyone, As mentioned, I sold my house and now I'm sitting on around $150k. Currently all of it is sitting in a 4.25% HYSA. (Located in Europe, so all $ values are estimates) I currently have around $50k sitting in direct stocks as well as a $15k in savings (no interest) for emergencies and that's the entirety of my portfolio. I'd love some critique on my desired passive investment goals : 1. Maintain the $50k direct stocks and forget about it. 2. Reduce the HYSA @ 4.25% to $50k for 'safe' money. (New home deposit, whatnot) 3. Reduce the $15k no-interest savings slightly to 2-months' salary for emergencies. 4. Invest the remaining $100k in funds. Now here comes the question: \- Would it be dumb to split the 100k into the following: 80% 'safe' S&P , 20% distruptive? Or is it too conservative / aggressive? I think I'm exposed enough with direct stock purchases, that I'd rather move around the existing $50k between shares than invest even more FIAT into new stocks. I know everyone keeps talking about an incoming crash, but I paperhanded out of the April one with $10k I had in a fund and that blew up in my face - ironically I diamonhanded through alllllll of the BTC dips and runs back in the day until I eventually cashed it out to afford a downpayment on my then-house. So I'm not asking for direct advice, but would love to see what people's portfolios look like in the index market. Background info: * How old are you? *- mid 40s* * What country do you live in? *Norway* * Are you employed/making income? How much? *- $80k pa*. * What are your objectives with this money? (Buy a house? Retirement savings?) *- 30% towards next house, 70% retirement* * What is your time horizon? Do you need this money next month? Next 20yrs? *- 30% 3-5yrs, 70% 20yrs+* * What is your risk tolerance? (Do you mind risking it at blackjack or do you need to know its 100% safe?) - *30% risk averse, 70% YOLO* * What are you current holdings? (Do you already have exposure to specific funds and sectors? Any other assets?) *- see text* * Any big debts (include interest rate) or expenses? *- no debt, no big expenses, no car loans.*

C4shFlo

There just isn't going to be enough of it. To be used by a country, a currency has to be printable, otherwise you can't moderate inflation. BTC will be stuck at 21M.

AllCapNoBrake

Short the ever loving shit out of BTC.

nath_122

I remember when I paid a pizza with 15 BTC 😂

greyenlightenment

"BTC 125k this year ... we mean it this time!! " those headlines aged like milk again

annoyed_meows

BTC drilling. I love it.

AllCapNoBrake

BTC bag holders get into an elevator and the operator asks them "Going down?"

NewKiddoTN

How do you 50x short BTC?

AllCapNoBrake

For those that took my FA to 50x short BTC on Saturday, grats. YGMI!

Wolfy-1993

Just a note, BTC is very sensitive to rate increases/decreases (despite being touted as an inflation hedge, it's seen as a risk asset still, thus correlating inversely with interest rates rather than directly). If trump manages to reduce russian oil sales to India, that puts pressure on oil markets/prices, which in turns increases inflation and rates. All dependant on what route trump takes though, which is the real gamble

AllCapNoBrake

BTC bols in absolute shambles rn, frfr, no cap, on saylor. They're retreating to that regarded hangout daily chat over on r/bitcoin to cope the fug out of each other.

PaperHandsTheDip

I'd buy BTC for $15k lol. Cult following is too large to ignore. That market is completely driven by sentiment... which is surprisingly easy to trade.

Brubiu

He has been wrong on every single short I’ve ever seen. Short BTC before the rally, short eth before the rally. Nah, just a hobbyist

AllCapNoBrake

Futures. They are showing us that SPY, MSTR, & BTC are going to $0! L F G!!

AdFeisty3148

BTC is more like digital gold. Like gold , it is a store of value. It does not have an infinite amount nor can it be printed and every halving less BTC is created by miners.

shadowlurker_6

When? The guy who used it to buy 2 pizzas a decade ago is still trolled. There was a post regarding buying a couple of beers on the BTC sub and there were so many people saying he was stupid to do it

Pretty_Ad_7885

BTC is speculative asset. I know you would like it to be bad economy hedge but historicaly it isnt. And at the moment economy is showing alot of bad signs. Jobs, ppi, deficit increasing. I am not saying btc will colapse but saying it cant go 5% lower when it historicaly did it in a day normaly is just ignorant.

crander47

BTC would make a bad currency because its worth too much vs other currencies. Its more of a stock at this point.

Important-Agent2584

BTC specifically will never be a currency. It's too slow and volatile.

greyenlightenment

BTC dying as it becomes obvious that the reserve thesis is dead. back to 40k end of year

Ok-Poetry-4721

the end game is that they hope to use BTC as a currency to buy and sell goods and services much the same way fiat is used today

shadowlurker_6

Honestly, I have been trying to understand where they see cryptos going. When BTC goes up they boast of it as the best “asset” out there, but when it goes down? Also, neither of the two cases are good from a currency standpoint. I don’t see what the endgame is.

Iunatic

I can topple the MSTR/BTC scheme by buying a single share of MSTR. Watch me

CaptainApeCommander

When BTC gets depressed ETH commits suicide

emynmuill

El BTC no se va a destruir.... Tranquilo

DueHousing

Someone desperately dumping their BTC bags

gainsusmaximus

Tom Lee says spy is following BTC 👨🏻‍💻

gainsusmaximus

As goes BTC , so goes SPY - Berissians 6:9

Nekrosis13

Peace in Ukraine = BTC dies Why? Because Russia has been openly using crypto for money transfers since they got cut off from SWIFT.

Bulky_Lunch2771

I hope BTC isn’t a preview for SPY

StonksInvesteur

Oh no, it’s crashing. BTC

Specialist_Yak_5239

First BTC, then stonkies📉📉📉

Specialist_Yak_5239

First BTC then stonks.

humptydumpee42069

Burn the BTC shorts 🚀🚀

Keizman55

You can try to roll up and out if the premium for the new strike plus the difference in strike from your current is more than cost of the BTC on your current contract. But you should be really, really positive on the stock because it is not as profitable as a regular CC. I’ve done this a few times on stock I want to hold and feel strongly that it will not reverse down. I’m successful 9 times out of 10, and have gotten the shares assigned away on the second or third roll and made additional premium a couple of times. Usually I don’t try this because as others have mentioned, it is often the case that after an unexpectedly strong move past your strike, the stock retraces and you wind up having paid a big premium to close it, with nothing to show for it other than a small gain in premium but a bigger loss in stock value. Calculate all of the possibilities in advance and think about if it is worth the risk before pulling the trigger. All said and done, it is usually better to give up the shares if they’re assigned, enjoy the profits you contracted for and earned, and find another strong investment. Hard to ignore the FOMO, but you’ll usually feel better about it after seeing your portfolio go up.

gainsusmaximus

oh shit BTC really crashing, HOOD will crash too 🤣🌝🤑🐻🐻‍❄️🐨🧸

ArtisticFrame5790

It’s stuck between like 115 and 122. My average of $50 k barely tells the difference of 115-122 on my 0.02 BTC holding. Don’t understand why people concerned over these small fluctuations

SeniorVibeAnalyst

BTC collapsing to levels not seen in 10 days

BroncosW

You said it: "Scam or not I’m getting BTC" What matters is how it does from now on, we are not talking about the past.

AllCapNoBrake

Hey Alexa, play "Let it go" for the MSTR & BTC Bag Hodlers

Many-Enthusiasm1297

Never BTC a CC for a loss.

morinthos

I used to do this. I finally stopped after I realized that all of the BTC to capture the extra premium every week left me far behind my goal. I wasn't at a loss, but I could have made so much more by just letting it expire and buying stock back the next wk and selling a new call. I also like not monitoring the market all day. Not worth it.

BroncosW

Zero chance your kids will be set because you bought BTC in 2025.

AllCapNoBrake

BYE BYE BTC, you had a good bull run. You'll get another chance in 3 years'ish, if you're lucky and we don't kill it after the mid-terms.

Happy_Discussion_536

It's possible but ETH doesn't have a fixed supply schedule like BTC.

Happy_Discussion_536

BTC will hit $140,000 in 2026.

greyenlightenment

BTC keeps dumping , plus gains on tech, so I am making $ from both btc short and tech long. Almost never lose with this strategy.

khayyam19

You buy the same option back, and that closes the original sale. Just make sure strike and expiration date are the same, and it should say "buy to close" or BTC in the confirmation window that pops up before the final submit button.

IndependentHorror752

BTC, I would certainly say in more than 5 years, but that’s one of my largest holdings.

MaterialGuy007

BTC I fear is going to test $104k. BTC rose too quick - was designed to track fiat but failed. Recent rise was all political - now policy eyes on Stablecoins as they can replace China on treasury purchases!

masturbator6942069

Lmao I keep an emergency cash fund in case of unexpected personal expenses that couldn’t wait t+1 for trades to settle. I have never stopped investing the rest of my money. Not in 2008, not in 2020, not in April of this year, and not in any other downturn. Im always buying - on green days, I buy more on red days, and I only sell if/when I need the money. I’ve also been branching into BTC and it’s been doing well for me too. Anyone who’s so terrified of a crash and is trying to time it should just exit the market and put your money in a HYSA or something.

AllCapNoBrake

Believe it: $MSTR & BTC going to $0

greyenlightenment

BTC dump does not mean red futures. It just means btc sucks. No government purchases. That was the whole reason it went up after Trump won

brandonmcgritle

Long-term hold for KULR. Their earnings report KILLED. They are still diluting at this time to acquire more BTC, but in about a year, Dilution will stop and this stock is going to SOAR. Mark my words. II have literally 50% of my portfolio invested in this stock and i'm all in and have plenty of time to wait and watch this stock explode over the next 5 years. P.S. I'm expecting people to reply to this with petty, hatful, sarcastic FUD bs remarks. Go for it. Could care less.

Soft-Usual-9909

MSTR back to sub 350 tmmrw. I think BTC starts to sell into September

NineAsiansAtSubway

BTC looks like its about to crater

bait_and_switcheroo8

Back in 2015 2016 I bet on MLB without knowing absolutely anything about MLB using BTC totalling about 3 BTC or so over 6 months. I think BTC was like 100-200 euro back then so it was not much risk but now sometimes I go check the Coinbase transactions and wonder what I'd have bought now with those BTC if I hadn't gambled. 😂

HeidNuu

If you research crypto cycles right now is probably one of the most riskiest times to invest into bitcoin. If the cycle repeats then you'll be underwater heavily in BTC for a while. IMO don't do crypto unless if you've done a ton of research or are comfortable seeing your crypto portfolio -50%-80%. Gold is a trash investment. It's only for the ultra rich to stay rich. I myself am 80% VOO 20% QQQ which is kind of funny seeing chat GPT recommend something similar.

Internal_Cherry_7942

>For me it’s a simple barbell: >• **BTC** = digital gold, long-term hold >• **ETH** = network/infrastructure >Then I keep 90% in equities/ETFs to balance volatility. >Anyone else here blending crypto with traditional assets?

Marko-2091

It was KULR right? That stock was crap I rode it to 2 from below 1. But I sold the day they announced the BTC. I am sorry but you did not do your DD. That stock is a clear shitco. From batteries to BTC to AI to everything. Glad that you recovered a bit chunk of money but you have to be careful with garbage penny stocks or companies with billions and billions of future totally addressable market.

WackyBeachJustice

I think going all BTC will ensure Lambos not only for you, but for your entire family. Go all in brother.

PenguinAreCake

Anytime mate, sorry for the late reply. That’s better, but I’d avoid BTC, I don’t like giving advice on specific stocks but it’s too volatile to be put in such a high percentage alongside ETF’s - the growth from your ETF’s will be absolutely obliterated by the volatility of Crypto. There’s two plays, 50% Global, 15% voo, 10% emerging markets, 10% gold, 10% real state (or something else medium volatility for long term) and then do your 5% BTC so your volatility won’t effect the pie too heavily. ORR. If you’re feeling BTC growth, fuck it, why mess around with ETF’s, go all in on it. I wouldn’t, but I also wouldn’t dare invest 25% of my capital in crypto 🤷‍♂️

Scannerguy3000

DTE — I started all over the place because I’d didn’t know anything. Then tried the common “30-45 DTE”. Some of those were long enough to bite me in the ass, and I sit in front of a computer all day so I figured I can monitor fast theta / delta changes. So I tried weeklies. I think I was killing it with those, but some of them were so fast they bit me in the ass. Now I’m trying 2 weeks to 30 days. Here’s a DTE tip. “30-45 DTE” is a simplification. It’s actually 20-30 days leak for weekly options and 40-45 days peak for monthly options. Most people don’t pay attention to whether they are trading monthlies or weeklies; so they just mush it together. But if you know you’re doing monthly use 45 days, or weekly options; use 30 days. I never defend a position. And I never roll. I’ve only had 2 negative weeks, and both were because I heard “roll” so many times. That is a stupid fucking piece of advice. Rolling means “don’t stop and think about what you’re doing”. For CSPs I never roll I always run a new screener and pick the best choice. It’s never going to be the stock you just left. For CCs, you’re stuck with the stock. But I’ll close; wait; go look at the chart, see how the stock is doing. Is RSI and stock going down? Then why would you immediately sell a premium??? I might wait a few days or a Thursday for a good time to sell CCs again on it, or when the stock and RSI start going up. BTC policy. As soon as a trade starts going bad, I close it. My goal is to catch Last as it hits my original Premium so I get out essentially free (minus commissions and fees). If it happens to move fast enough that I didn’t catch it (the dangers of rolling out of bed an hour after market open), then I already have a helper column that calculates which is the better exist - assignment or BTC. I take whichever is better. (And if it’s assignment; I try to get rid of those shares fast, I don’t care about profit. Just want to break even. If I can cover my ACB I’m happy). I don’t understand why someone would wait till the BTC cost is 150% or 200%. That’s crazy. At that point you might as well just take assignment. Don’t try to catch a falling knife. There’s always a new trade you can sell. There’s no shortage.

WSSquab

I have the same insight but with Hut 8 (HUT) and Bitfarms (BITF) both pivoting from BTC mining to HPC/AI. Looks promising.

Scannerguy3000

Not sure what you’re asking about duration / DTE. Can you ask a more specific question? Defensing positions — I don’t. Ever. Well, I did. The only two negative weeks I’ve had were from trying to “roll” following everyone’s parroted common wisdom. If a position starts going bad, I close it immediately. I never roll. ***Never*** roll a CSP under any circumstances. For CCs, you’re stuck with the stock, so you can’t switch to a different currency! Haha! But if a CC starts going bad I just close it / unless the math says getting Called is the better exit. If I BTC a CC, I do not immediately sell another CC. I stop, I look at what the underlying is doing. Is the RSI rising or falling? Is now a good time to sell CCs on that stock? How are premiums right now compared to my history of premiums on that share? If it’s not a good time to sell, I might wait at a minimum to the next Thursday and check for premiums at that point and open a sale. If the premiums start rising of course I would go ahead and not wait. But I never roll. Ever. I don’t defend tickers because I have no loyalist to any company. I do not want to own anyone’s equities.

wallstreetbets-ModTeam

At the request of our members, we've started allowing some bets on BTC and ETH, but take your shitcoins to one of the 8000 crypto subs.

greyenlightenment

No BTC purchases means the narrative and hype deflating. the only reason why BTC went up was the promise of government reserve purchases

Happy_Discussion_536

Haha then only gold or BTC will survive.

AllCapNoBrake

I use a few bots to trade for me (BTC along w/ some alts that can not be named), and this is what every weekend looks like due to bots trading back and forth (retail/eft's are not buying/selling on weekends). I don't mess w/ leverage....but if you do....the weekends your chance to 50x that shit: https://preview.redd.it/8frmum65hgjf1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c54668c4c69c70459b74c6e77f33d195098e805

Various_Couple_764

IF you want to hold bitcoin invest in BTC. If you want income from bitcoin without MSTR exposure Invest in BTCI (25% yield).

jnight138

MSTR is BTC musical chairs, when the music stops you better not be the one holding the bag. However looking at the macro environment, it might be another 3 and something years before another crypto winter. Trump and administration ain’t gonna let the OG crypto crash after all they’ve done and all they’re planning to do.

WolverineHelpful9775

Nope. If BTC goes down, I’ll actually make more money with put debit spreads that I have (made over 1000% gain last week). Only way I’ll lose is if MSTR drops about 35% in a week. And that’ll just mean I get assigned. There’s no realized loss. https://preview.redd.it/zt3o344yzfjf1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfe8a10bc3f64d67e4dbf8741d01407c5604c79d

Aggressive-Donkey-10

BTC has been almost flat since 12/2024 when at 109k, now 117k. MSTR doesn't sell its BTC, so even if it went up in price, which it hasn't, where does it get the millions to pay the Preferred Shares? It gets it from selling new shares of MSTR to the chumps, excuse me retail investors. Money goes in from retail investor A and instantly goes out to retail investor B as a preferred dividend, next quarter they have to do it again and again. Hence Ponzi. The cash preferred dividend is not coming from MSTR income nor capital gains sales on BTC. "A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from new capital paid in by new investors, rather than from profit earned through legitimate business activities. It's essentially a scam where earlier investors are paid with money from later investors, creating the illusion of a profitable business. The scheme collapses when it becomes difficult to recruit new investors or when a large number of existing investors try to withdraw their funds, leaving the majority of investors with significant losses." I'm not criticizing Michael Saylor or MSTR for running a good scam but just have your eyes open that it is the very definition of a Ponzi Scam and will be prosecuted once a new President who both cares about the rule of law and hasn't received donations/bribes from MSTR gets elected.

jack_klein_69

Roth I have 50% VOO, 18% AVUV, 15% vea, 10% vwo, and 7% IBIT, plus some more all SP500 in a smaller one. Individual I prefer individual stocks with 5-10% BTC with the companies leaning growth and some pretty volatile

WolverineHelpful9775

Like is said, if the stock stays flat, I can close out the contract at 50% gain or most sometimes. I currently have some MSTR puts I sold on Friday and will be near worthless if the share price doesn’t move significantly. I repeat this almost every Friday. The buyer is the gambler (idiot) in hopes of a big move in BTC over the weekend. https://preview.redd.it/kkbhkg42mfjf1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b89c25bd1ad6de0e7d029b92027d37b729681ca

Zehur

Agree. More in BTC as a hedge.

snek-jazz

They've been doing this for like 5 years. At first it was all convertible debt - loans that came due all at once. Those were proportionally bigger obligations than the current interest debt, since there's no principle to repay (except for STRK if MSTR reaches 1k). They had obligations to meet, and they've met them, even with a bitcoin winter in the middle. The risk of bankruptcy without failure of bitcoin was much greater in the past because they had a much weaker balance sheet. In short, their NAV has grown more than their obligations, and the MSTR share price tends to be based on their NAV. > Why put yourself in that situation? For a few extra percent gain on an already volatile asset? Well I made significantly more than a few extra percent so far, but indeed from now on it may not be much, or it may even under-perform BTC depending on how mNAV goes, so I'm mulling over it. I already rebalanced some MSTR to other things, and some MSTR to STRF But I'm not afraid to hold the rest for a while more while I decide. I want to wait longer to see how much demand there is for the preferred offerings, and what prices they trade at. I also have a reason that others don't. In my country I have very limited options for btc exposure in a tax advantaged account.

Plaesmodia

S&P is tech-heavy and BTC is correlated with the US tech sector. If you think you are diversified with this portfolio, you are going into a wall. CAC40, FTSE100 and Stoxx600 would give you international exposure without doubling down on US tech and is a solid choice if you believe that the US is going to enter a recession.

Dry-Type-3603

Is BTC a good hedge?

dr_tardyhands

Hasn't BTC been pretty well correlated with the market for a while now?

Biiigups

Thoughts on BTC vs ETH? Do you invest in any crypto related stocks

The_Reformed_Con_92

Amen brother, aside from BTC gains, my best week by a mile was DRUGS on the 15th Oct 24'. I had 1143 shares @ 2.75 and sold at 33.2 gaining just shy of $35k profit!! No DD just listened to and trusted the advice I was being given and fortunately for myself it paid off. Definitely not a risked I'd take again or recommend doing without your own homework first as it's your money on the line.

CategoricHummus

It isnt bad! If you are younger you can handle a little more risk but for slow / steady index funds are great at this. Personally id swap gold for more BTC but we are near cycle top.

ucbcawt

Need advice on this-I am investing for long term on these: • VTI – 29.4% • NVDA – 24.3% • GOOG – 11.5% • VXUS – 5.4% • IDMO – 4.6% • QQQI – 4.5% • VOO – 2.8% • LLY – 1.9% • BRK.B – 1.3% • CEFS – 1.3% • Crypto (BTC+SOL+ETH+HBAR+ADA) – 3.2% • ROOT – 0.8% • ASTS – 0.9% • RIVN – 0.6% • LUNR – 0.7% • CLOZ – 0.9% • PFFA – 0.9% • CRSP – 0.4% • AAPL – 0.7% • HIMS – 0.3% • RKLB – 0.3%

ExtremeIndependent99

I’m trying to position myself to benefit from both scenarios. I’m strategically building a cash and bond positions on any major rallies in case that’s the top and we crash, but also have the majority of my money invested because timing the top isn’t possible. But if we do have a crash at least I can strategically DCA to take advantage of the down market. Already cashed out most of my BTC also. 2026 might be crypto winter like every other cycle. 

asdafari14

> I foolishly thought MSTR was a levered bitcoin play in a convenient package led by this visionary named Michael Saylor. Say what you will about him but it has been. MSTR has returned about 3x more than BTC.

AllCapNoBrake

Believe it or not: MSTR & BTC to $0! L F G!!!

Scannerguy3000

I never roll. I would recommend striking that word from your vocabulary. But you’re going to hear it used constantly. “Rolling” implies you’re not putting very much thought into your next move, and believe you should stick with the same exact path that just went bad on you. I close positions that are going bad. In theory; I close them before Last rises about the original Premium. If I see it too late, I have a helper column formula that shows me with is my better exit, assignment or BTC. Once I close a position, I stop, evaluate my cash and equities, ***then*** I make the next trade. If I close a CC, I do not immediately sell another one. I look to see if it’s a good time to be selling a CC on that ticker. Is RSI about 59 and rising? Is it before the peak and fall? If I close a CSP there is absolutely no reason I would assume I should open a new CSP on the same stock. When I free-up cash, I always go run a new screener and whittle down the candidates in my second-stage screener and pick the best premium with relative safety.

Nemarus_Investor

Yeah, BTC at least can't go bankrupt if the 'strategy' ever fails.

iLov3musk

The plebs screaming “dilution” don’t understand that fiat dilution is TERMINAL. MSTR isn’t playing that game. They using fiat markets, draining them of liquidity, and stuffing it into the Bitcoin black hole where it can never be printed away. Every MSTR offering is accretive because it increases BTC per share in a manner that compounds over time. Fiat shareholders are merely exit liquidity for Bitcoin in this trade. Each share sold is more bitcoin on the balance sheet. Which is a finite asset unlike the dollars they are selling.

slowlybecomingsane

You did some DD which amounts to learning what its current nMAV premium is. Good job. MSTR might go up or down but its almost entirely dependant on what BTC does so unless you're hedging with a BTC long your DD is pretty useless