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This stock ain’t worth $100. Trades at 300x FWD PE. Wow, a flying car no one will ever be able to drive legally. Neat
Dear Allah, Thank you for letting MU go to almost $1000 today, and not making people smart enough to buy a stock with a FWD PE of 5 and a CAGR of 48%. Thank you so much. Also, when 70 virgins?
MU up 70 points since I suggested this morning not buying a stock at 5 FWD PE ist mongoloid at best...
I agree with comment above. You have a point on a lot of "value" investors are really not and are only looking for one metric a that is P/E. Their logic is I know the company (sometimes they are not even clients but know the company) and is at a low P/E (TTM or FWD) I will buy and will outperform and that is not a gold recipe to outperform the market (sometimes you can make money but I don't believe they outperform overall and the track record is really there looking last 10 years on "these opportunities") But also the same applies for the other end, not only because a company is a leader (example Nike ten years ago, Disney ten years ago, Starbucks 10-15 years ago, Ebay 15-20 years ago, Adobe 5 years ago....) means they will outperform. You can look back and use others examples that did outperform and I agree that leader companies have a good chance to outperform but the valuation you pay is key (I'm not saying you have to pay a low P/E) a good company can remain a good company but being a bad investment depending on the price you pay for it. Is always important to do an analysis based on the current and future Moat, current business and new opportunities for growth and also included the current valuation and where that valuation could be in a couple years depending the time horizon you are looking to invest.
PE FWD > 22 is not a good sign for a reasonably priced stock. Especially if the stock itself is not related to cutting edge technology etc..
It is like buying a new Camry FWD LE (still hybrid) and driving it into a tree with no insurance in 2 days.
forward PE is at 22 and they always beat the expectations. So lets assume a 20 FWD PE. You wouldn’t buy that?!
if you drink coffee with milk in it, if your car is FWD, if you file your taxes on time : get the fuck out of my face. we are not the same.
AVGO YTD gains smaller than SPY, trading at FWD p/e of 23x for a company that’s going to make $100 billion from AI in 2027.
Opened short positions for CRWD, NOW, CRM, OKTA as they have ridiculous PE FWD. Got to crash at some point. AMD hasn't come down heavily yet, just the hype is too high
No one is selling. SPCX will be $300 EOY…. TSLA has always traded at 300+ FWD PE…. No one cares.
You’re also looking at current PE not FWD P/E. While still “expensive”, that number drops significantly on 2027 earnings. The market is giving it a crazy multiple because of the earnings potential moving forward with security issues related to AI. Don’t just short something cause the PE looks high. Perfect way to get smoked.
hahaha Jokes aside, FWD PE is 7... wtf
FWD PE is still high with this rate of growth. At EPS \~7 it's around 70. Of course market is wondering how long they can keep it up as they seem to be very conservative with expansion of supply.
That’s a single company. So let me get this straight. Your stance is that larger market cap isn’t generally lower FWD P/E? My point is AMD now isn’t the same as AMD in 2000. What’s yours?
NVDAs growth for 2027 is literally not Priced into the stock. It’s temporarily being treated as a legacy hardware company multiple just because a lot of other high beta names are popping up in the AI space during the last 12 months. But insane 80%+ growth YOY is undeniable. It has the lowest FWD PE it’s had in 6 years. It will go on a minimum 30-40% run by EOY, because it will literally mathematically NEED to do that in order to stay at a PE of over 20, and it will not drop below 20. Dont sweat it OP.
FWD-pe is counting capex spending on badly depreciated GPU's and circular financing. Secondly FWD-pe is based on guidance, guidance that if you are a doomer you don't believe in. Shiller pe is around 40 (43 if you account for changes to stock based compensation in the early 2010's) Canadian market's are a lot cheaper with almost no ai exposures. There are some great company in europe and develloping country Chinese tech is quite cheap at this point in time And with T-Bills near 5% and US inflation edged government bonds around 3% these return are really good for risk free return. There are lots of option where to invest capital outside of AI and the USA.
Yea, exactly lol. You realize the point you made makes no sense, have no response to anything, and then bring up elementary data points that have never been statistically significant towards predicting anything about the market ever…. You do realize where the “FWD” part of “FWD-PE” comes from right????? It is the forward looking ESTIMATES of sell side analysts… in every single market crash ever, sell side analyst estimates for earnings were higher going into the crash….. and later revised downward after stock prices already declined.. I find it funny that the same noobs that constantly say “analysts suck and are always wrong about stock price targets!” are the same ppl constantly referencing forward-PE. Btw the S&P 500 forward PE today is 23.6… well above the 25y average of 16 and almost exactly where it was when the Dotcom bubble peaked (24). Still pretty meaningless and besides the point
That's a lot of words to make irrelevant points. What was the FWD-PE of the market? What was the total market capitalization divided by global GDP?
First off, using avg price targets as a signal is usually not a good idea - trending of them maybe (ie trending up/down over the past wk or mo + # of analysts covering up/down). There are just a lot of other indicators that are much better. Both will have big CAPEX #’s which will likely cause no-conviction investors to sellout and knock the stocks down even more. This will clean out the “traders” idk? But the reaction will also knock down a few other pins alongside, too. Don’t forget about the pin action. A lot still depends on the bond markets which looked dicey this past week. But I don’t think a more stable bond market will mean positive reaction to earnings tho - more like a continued sketch bond market would mean these two get crushed even more. We’ll see. Thru the end of the year tho, I personally think the hyperscalers are the new defensives, and some time in late Aug there will be an inflection point & multiples will move back to historical norms - or at least the group will rebalance at around a FWD P/E around 25-27. What do ya think?
when you look at the numbers, it was worth at some point more than 500 FWD price to rev. 😬
What's funny is that a high flying tech stock like MU already qualifies to fit inside a value ETF like VTV as its #1 holding. Makes you wonder how low the FWD PE and PEG ratio can go.
ORCL at a PE of 20 and FWD PE of 15/16. You’re gonna short that? Really?
Calling a company that has a sub 0.2 PEG a value trap is hilarious. Anything can happen with AI, but if you are actually betting against a company with a FWD PE of less than 7 and a PEG of 0.2, you might as well short the entire stock market.
I think looking at normal P/E relative to the sector is best. FWD is just based on a single point in time extrapolated out. Even then I don't think a single metric is enough, like for memory Samsung just had a quarter that made more money than the last 40 years. How many years can that be kept up? If it isn't kept up, where does it fall? Because even if it's 10 times where it was before that stock is going in the dumpster overnight. Of course, hype and ability to continue existence as a company to keep that hype alive is the biggest factor nowadays, thus we have an insane market.
FWD P/E is only used because talking heads needed a metric to justify "line go up" without using normal P/E logic which got more bloated as more money got into the market. It means very little.
I think the FWD PE does already but I could be wrong about that. Fair point regardless.
FWD P/E and price targets are classic bagholder lingo. Nobody cares
Is MU getting to FWD PE of 2 at this point? 🫢
Thank you again for your response. Agreed, the way I have gone about it so far does not conform to the typical calendar spread, however my exposure to the greeks I feel is identical to those of a long calendar. At entry - short gamma, delta neutral, earning theta and will benefit from an increase in FWD VOL. The idea of a long calendar spread, as well as my construction, is for the FWD VOL to increase during the life of the trade. ( which will be close around 7 dte to front month expiry) Going forward I will adapt my setup to resemble that of a long call or long put calendar. With this in mind it really is assistance with long call calendar spreads that I am seeking. Therefore, a simple way to ask my question would be - for those that trade long calendars, how do you go about selecting which contracts to use, strikes and expiries? From extensive reading, FWD VOL seems to be the be-all and end-all of calendar spreads, however after calculating it I am at a complete and utter loss as to what to do with it? Please help. A more detailed way of asking is below: \-on SPX, between 15-60 DTE there are maybe 25 expiries. \-I have created a matrix and calculated the FWD VOL that exists between each pair. \-I can not just use the lowest absolute values so I must find a way of determining if the they are low or high relative to something else. This is the first area I would like guidance on: 1. Strip out FOMC announcements etc. in the front month? - These increase the IV of the front month contract which results in a lower FWD VOL. Yes, you already answered this one. 2. Compare the FWD VOL of each pair to HV of the SPX index? If so, what period of HV, the number of days between front expiry and back expiry? The number of DTE of the front month expiry? The number days I plan to leave the trade open? Another period altogether? 3. Compare the FWD VOL of each pair to the HV of its own distribution. Example: which is better (a) a pair with a FWD VOL of 14% and a historical range of 14% - 14.5% or (b) a pair with a FWD VOL of 14.2% and a historical range of 14.2% to 15%? On the surface option (a) is better as we are buying cheaper FWD VOL, but option (b) shows greater profit potential. As you suggested I could back out this data from historical prices, but this would involve considerable costs for data, as well as time and effort, and given that skew exists it might not actually produce anything of any relevance. Anyone explored this or something similar before? 4. Compare the FWD VOL to the greeks: We would like to be buying the long calendar that gives the best ratio of FWD VOL : Gamma & FWD VOL: Theta. Does anyone use something like this, I have never come across this but it seems like it might provide a good way to filter the various combinations. \>I mentioned this before, what happens if SPX constantly rises or SPX is >range-bound? But instead of that price (delta) focus, use an IV focus. >What happens if IV rises and then falls, before the front expiration? >What happens if IV stays steady? Etc. \-Now for the second part that I am getting stuck on. A long calendar can be hurt very badly in two ways, firstly a large move in the underlying soon after putting the trade on. Not much we can do about this, avoid FOMC announcements etc, avoid trading when news suggests volatility in the markets, setup orders to delta hedge when such and such level is breached etc....secondly, if the back month IV falls more than the front month IV, this can result in a large loss, even at expiry of the front month with the spot at the strike i.e. best case scenario. How do long calendar traders or futures traders assess this risk and mitigate against it? \-A term structure in backwardation will give a low fwd vol which would suggests an attractive calendar trading opportunity, however a term structure in backwardation has the potential to resolve to a term structure in contango which will result in the scenario above of back month IV dropping more that front month IV. \-One idea I had was to incorporate a further dated short calendar, so instead of having just -1 / + 1 at 15/45 dte for example you add a +1/-1 at 45/65 dte giving a setup -1 / +2 / -1. Some form of time butterfly! \-Is there merit to this and if so, what specific criteria would you use when deciding to which setup to employ? I would like to apologize as there may be some repetition between my posts, my first one upon re-reading certainly seems somewhat incoherent, hopefully this one make it a little more clear as to what I am trying to achieve. Thanks again for advice and suggestions.
FWD P/E is 25x. And I'll explain the merger aspect of it. The reason VECO trades at a premium to ACLS wrt the merger terms is because VECO is viewed as the premium asset, where value is concentrated. ACLS's forward prospects are not as juicy as VECO pre-merger. When the merger is confirmed, ACLS will theoretically jump up in price to account for the premium of acquiring a premium asset like VECO. On paper, assuming prices remain fixed for eternity, yes it looks like its just instant dilution. But the market is pricing in a risk the merger doesn't happen, this materealizes as a premium to VECO and a decline in price of ACLS because VECO is the better asset. If the merger does happen, then ACLS goes up and this arbitrage no longer exists & VECO holders get their fair share. Scenario 1 (Merger doesn't happen) - VECO's growth prospects remain the same, ACLS goes down because they do not acquire VECO Scenario 2 (Merger happens) - ACLS goes up & VECO holders get their fair share post-merger and this is why I prefer VECO over ACLS. Institutions aren't stupid and know this "arbitrage" exists but VECO still trades at a premium!! But of course, as a disclaimer, this is not necessarily true & anything can happen markets are not predictable. (KEEL was on a huge run before I posted it - just because a stock has gone up doesn't necessarily mean it's going to revert back) If you're risk averse, do not buy !!!! This is a small % of my overall portfolio & a degen bet on semi equipment driven by the technological aspect & future prospects of laser spike annealing, not the actual merger.
You think FWD pe with NVDA growth rate makes sense? So, explain WMT PE of 40 to me, or even AAPL.
I know! That’s the challenge right now. I would argue that for the last decade or two (at least!) Memory chips, specifically, have been Cyclical stocks because they’d been commoditized; whereas, Processing chips acted more Secular due to specialization and advancement. The two sub-categories have some linkages but their stocks have acted differently in the market for quite some time. As an example, during COVID they would act in opposite directions and I would swap trade between them (very profitable!). Now, because of the AI buildout, the market is taking the immense demand for memory chips & the long term contracts the companies are signing as a signal that Memory chip stocks are Secular stocks. Over the long term, the market will decide, but right now when you have MU trading at a Fwd P/E of 6.36 after the stock going up 241% YTD (even after this recent pullback) and SNDK at FWD P/E of 22 after a +635% YTD rise, I think reevaluating the linkages between Memory stocks and Processing stocks is valuable. I also think it highly possible to be bearish Processing chip stocks while remaining bullish Memory chip stocks.
Wow! This whole sub and comment section is one of the best I’ve seen in over a year - well done everyone! IMO, a lot of what happened the last two days (notably the first 2 days of the second half of the year), is a lot of profit taking on stocks that went parabolic going into the long weekend and Summer. A lot of “wait and see” money out there now. Also, the META announcement was more of a warning shot for the AI Infrastructure buildout Co’s (ie. CRWV, NBIS, ORCL, etc.) than the memory stocks. Those were all down a LOT the last 2 days. I think it was a great move by META ‘cause you gotta get SOMETHING for all that spend you’ve done and the spend you’ve projected while you continue on. After all, they’re still spending. To that point, Memory stocks are reactionary. Always have been. BUT they have had HGE multiple expansion! I think this is a good test right now, and we’ll see. But valuations across this sub-sector are still really low. Have you SEEN the FWD P/E on these??? The huge spend is still happening, and is going to continue for at least the rest of the year. Who do you all think it’s going to?
How is MU priced for explosive growth? 12 mo FWD P/E is sub 8 currently. Peak pricing is obviously a risk, but your take is way too generic.
84% gross margins, contracts in place for 3-5 years, 10 FWD P/E and it’s over?
who tf added to their MSFT short yesterday, it was already down 100 points in a week or so, at 52 week lows, sub 20 FWD PE for a hyperscaler with great growth Shorts should’ve already taken their win and went home after yesterday
PLTR regards really were like let me buy this 100 FWD P/E company with more than half of it's revenue from the government (mainly US).
I'm buying more Nvidia here. FWD P/E of \~22. Jensen is the inventor of the future. The rest follow.
Doesn't mean they'll make shitloads doing it, but sure, if you wanna invest in a grocer at 40x FWD PE, gO foR iT
another day another +9% gain for SK Hynix, still cheap? FWD PE only 7
If you believe memory has broken out of its traditionally 'cyclical' nature because there is infinite AI compute demand, then MU is extremely cheap at 8-10x FWD PE. If you think this is the peak of a memory supercycle, it's a long, long way down. It's pretty much a binary bet at this point. MU is either worth 2x its current price, or half of it.
WMT 44 FWD P/E and 4.86 PEG Ratio is undervalued?
I think it’s good to have 2% of your entire portfolio in these sectors. But Im looking at ETFs more than specific stocks. For example, we have HUMN (Roundhill Humanoid Robotics ETF) which has all the most important stocks in the robotics space. Then we have MARS (Roundhill Space & Technology ETF) with exposure to Rocket Lab and AST Space Mobile. These ETFs definitely have higher expense ratio but it gives good exposure to the top companies in these sector. Unless if you find another better ETF. Betting on specific stocks where the industry will remain volatile with AI sector, it’s difficult to know which company would get all the deals or will likely make the most advanced innovations. Even if you pick particular stocks, I would not put more than 1% exposure of the portfolio in individual stocks. That’s just how I diversify. For picking individual stocks, we are too early to know who will perform better. If you’d ask would SNDK give such a rally 3 years back, no one would know. It’s the same time when Nvidia rallied. Let’s have exposure to ETFs today, and pick stocks at a later point in time when we have enough data on EPS FWD (3-5 years), P/E (FWD) and momentum. Rocket Lab and ASTS currently have negative EPS (FWD), so there’s no concrete growth trajectory for now, but it will change for sure.
You can see why the EPS were "misses" in my post They were both one-time costs related to delivery of warrants and the acquisition of Legend. Their FWD P/E ratio is 4.4
Considering their FWD P/E ratio is 4.3 and they've only been increasing guidance every quarter... They sorta don't even need to "improve" at this point. If they just hit projections then they will be so massively undervalued that they'll go up naturally
$SM SM Energy P/B 1 P/E (FWD) 5.5 Mkt 7.5B $MTDR Matador Res P/B 1.2 P/E (FWD) 9.38 Mkt 7.19B $CHRD Chord Energy P/B 1 P/E (FWD) 8.18 Mkt 8B $XOM Exxon Mobil P/B 2.4 P/E (FWD) 13.78 Mkt 633.2B $DVN Devon Energy P/B 1.9 P/E (FWD) 8.13 Mkt 29.36B I confess, my choice goes to SM Energy for its ultra-rigorous management, low P/B, buyback in place, 100% production on US soil, therefore without maritime transport costs, well-controlled CAPEX, hedge contracts around 50%... and a nice J.P. Morgan buy target at $40
I'm so mentally exhausted. Here is a growth company that is learning to monetize with some of the best fundamentals you can expect and is consistently growing 60%+ year over year, minimum capex, 90%+ gross margins. literally printing truck loads of money and they're still in early stages of increasing ARPU both domestically and internationally. FWD PE of 20s now. Its growth is structured to be worse than Costco and Walmart at this point. Like I don't even know how to articulate or justify that without sounding like a rabid dog.
Started investing in 1985 when the SP500 was below 200…. By what metric is the market exuberant ? The FWD PE of the SP500 is 20 which is healthy in this age of higher PE’s. More importantly, good investors know patience makes money and trading gives it away. If you time the market, we all know you have to be right twice (when to get in and when to get out). But the REAL reason not to time the market is because half the gains in a 20 year timeframe are from 15-20 REAL GOOD days. And these days happen primarily in volatile times when foolish people already sold out. So they get missed.
Growth stocks priced at 30-40x FWD P/E are not "priced for perfection"
Trades at an assumed single digit FWD multiple; trailing closer to ~90-~100. The only question that matters, will memory margins and growth be sustained? Answer is likely, no. The market knows this but greed takes over and there are other factors. Memory is cyclical, always has been. Within the next 24-36 months, memory names could be down 60-80%.
What does it do to deserve a 50 FWD PE as a bank?
I’ve heard it all before. And I’m not even sure what “shock” you are referring to. If you are worried about US markets - the SP500 has an unbelievable spread between current PE (30) and FWD PE (20). That’s a very healthy, almost historic spread indicating very healthy future. Earnings are booming. 75% of companies beat their own earnings estimates. If you’re talking about the global financial markets (something I know about), they have about the smallest attention span of any institution on the planet. Nobody is going to be even talking about Trump in 2028.
Been hearing that for 40 years. With a PE of 30 and a remarkably healthy FWD PE of 20 for the SP500, it will continue its rise. Valuations follow earnings, and a huge number of companies surpassed earning expectations. Regarding me ? I have enough income streams and US Treasuries to last a lifetime. It’s called financial literacy.
NVDA struggling at $200 is the funniest shit ever. 24x FWD PE guys…
Fwd PE of AMD is 30x. FWD PE of NVDA is 20x. Both are cheap however
Earnings call....what do we wan to hear? RPO, Backrog, FWD Guidance : BIG NUMBA....TOMORROW PUMP! Datacenter, Infrastructure, Robots, Gigawatts: Bad bad word.....TOMORROW DUMP EVEN MORE!
The downside is that, in the shirt term, tech may contribute to slump. If you give RDDT a 30 PE today, it'd be worth half of what is currently valued at.. but then it becomes even more compelling of a story as it'd have a 15 FWD PE today. (RDDT currently has a 60 PE, and 30 fwd PE)
You’re half right. PE’s as a buying metric choosing between stocks is foolish. FWD PE’s of a single company is one of many metrics that is extremely useful. For example, Broadcom had an average PE of 70-110 last year. In mid March, the FWD PE was 18. And it has enormous revenue. If that doesn’t at least get a stock buyers attention, you shouldn’t be buying stock.
Stocks aren’t returning to absurd PE valuations the floor is [17-18x FWD PE](https://en.macromicro.me/series/20052/sp500-forward-pe-ratio) which would make SPY around $500
ADBE seems massively undervalued at 9 FWD P/E and their ROIC has always been strong.................could easily see selling puts on this bad boy
Let's take the midrange revenue number $20 billion and generously give it a 55% EBITDA margin due to operating leverage, we get a $2,000+ billion market cap for a $11 billion non-GAAP "profit." That's a 200+ FWD P/E company with a 25% revenue growth rate.
What is the bull thesis for Nike? The fuck are ppl buying a FWD PE 45 sneaker company?
I am talking about the FWD PE, which accounts for predicted growth
Right? RDDT currently has a FWD PE of 30 and they think it deserves one of like 60?
Selling profitable positions, loading up on tech stonks with FWD PE < 20.
> like Nvidea is literally in the teens for FWD PE... there's finally a decent buying opportunity out there and everyone knows the market will recover eventually. If you had been in Nvidia for years, you would know that it can be dead money for years. Like it's been for these last few months.
Coming from someone who is short Tesla, you are insane to short this stock. The FWD PE is under 4 and they have significant FCF even while growing. If the market settles and this doubles, no one would be surprised.
Reddit trades at FWD P/E of 25..
These NVDA sellers are gonna make me average into the stock at this rate smh. FWD P/E is at 24.5
SNDK FWD PE = 8 , FED PEG = 0.10, FWD EPS YoY = 404%… Stupidly undervalued
SNDK FWD PE = 8 , FED PEG = 0.10, FWD EPS YoY = 404%… Stupidly undervalued
Check out Costco’s P/E. There’s still room to run, don’t worry about P/E when you’re holding one of the most resilient companies on the planet. That’s why they’re being priced so highly now, because the market is rotating to safety stocks and WMT keeps printing money in perpetuity. I own a small cap company right now that currently has a 115 P/E and I’m not worried in the slightest about it, and I’d imagine I’d sleep even better if that holding was entirely WMT instead. My point being, P/E is important but you shouldn’t be making decisions off P/E unless the FWD P/E is just so asinine that you can’t make it make sense. Take every company’s P/E with a grain of salt. They’re all over the place and rules for one industry or one stock DO NOT apply to another. So don’t worry about it. Sell it or don’t, I don’t know, I sure as hell wouldn’t. It would be one of my only winners right now.
Why is META at 1K crazy? 24% revenue growth, guiding for 30% (insane for 1.8T market cap) and trading at a 22 FWD PE. It’s undervalued.
RDDT is now cheaper on a trailing twelve month revenue basis than it was in April of 2025. And it is WAY cheaper on a FWD EPS (or reverse EPS). I believe RDDT is a strong BUY and my revenue target for 2026 is approx 3.75B.
Hyperscalers today trade at 23x FWD 2027 PE. Guess what Russell 2000 trades at on 2027 PE?
EPS just ain’t what it used to be. Now, a lot of good investments are not currently profitable but show a path to profitability. FWD-PE is a much better indicator than PE for value/growth, but it still only looks ahead 1 year. You now have to evaluate a companies core method of generating FCF, their debt obligations, run rate, cash runway, etc. Palantir was not profitable when they IPOd, neither was $AVAV and hundreds of other companies that turned out to be good investments. Is Figma a good long term investment? I don’t think so, but their EPS doesn’t factor into that belief for me at all.
There are concerns about growth with the China licenses. Coupled with FWD P/E expensive at 40x. This is asking for perfect execution. Plus the hedging dynamics around $250 strike price with a lot of open interest
IBM guidance was for 3-5% constant currency growth. Trades at 35x FWD PE.
MSFT FWD PE trending down to 20... hard not to see this being a great investment over the next few years, decades. Question is, do you think they are foolishly spending all of their earnings on unprofitable datacenters, or will they yield a huge profit in the future from all of this capex? Markets don't like uncertainty.
MSFT getting ridiculously cheap here at 23-24 FWD P/E which is close as hell to the 2022 Feb lows of 22....might BACK UP THE TRUCK tomorrow
My opinion is 50/50 and be happy. MUU (in my opinion, more stable, but really, maybe not) and SNXX (in my opinion more possble gains, but really, maybe not) will be good about equally. Don't need to be greedy. Micron has more clarity and looks safer because of historical ER data showing more shit and their "fixed" pricing on HBM, but of course, DDR5/LPDDR/NAND pricing increasing. SNDK they are much smaller cap, and they go from neg. trailing PE to low FWD PE (don't just read shit, calculate the PE yourself, and extrapolate memory pricing increases from known and very possible future price rises). You will come to the conclusion that their FWD PE about equal at 9 - 12 - depends how you want to price in pricing increases and approximate quarterly pricing increases.
you need to look at the FWD PE
FWD PE is only just now entering a reasonable range.
It’s FWD PE is 8. It’s valuation is 1/3 of the S&P 500 lmao
I think software in general has been out of favor, add in some competition from CRM and the draw down makes sense. Valuation wise, looks fairly compelling. FWD PE of 27 with a PEG of 1.4 is getting intriguing, but I am not familiar with their product enough to know if they have a real strong foothold or if the competition fears are real.
Started looking into $ITT. Wouldn't consider it undervalued, but rather fairly valued at TTM PE of 30, FWD PE of 24 at a PEG of 1.93. As of last earnings debt-equity is 0.41 and current ratio is 1.52 which I would consider a strong position on the balance sheet. Acquisition of SPX Flow will expand its products from motion absorption components (brake pads, shock absorbers, etc.) to fluid control (centrifugal and positive displacement pumps).
Dude just read the ERs and breakdown of sales, and understand doesnt matter NVDA AMD GOOGLE, they all buying memory and huge amounts, and this only gets worse 26Q3 when MVDA release GB400 and AMD MI450 and why they need HBM4 memory. Also HBM350 sold out, sk hynix raised prices with Samsung for HBM memory, MU did not announce how much they hiked but they followed suite. Just invest in it dude you put in 5k if thats what you invest in a bet. Do your research and consider that low risk, predictable outcomes is so nice, with good chances of upswing. Again, if you dont know how to gauage/compare companies and ERs, stick to the basics: - PE - FWD PE - Operating margins - PEG
Lets just say this. Lets see end of each week for MU. And see where it goes to Mar, next ER. To be transparent, I have about 550k USD in MUU (yes I buy leveraged 2x etf when I can), the bulk (80%) of my current portfolio as I sold out HOOX and SOFX between aug to sept, converted 50% of my holdings in HK Hynix (German ADR) and Kioxia (Japanese stock market) to MUU. My early bets up 350%, bought more during the dip in Nov and pre-Dec 17. MU is the most fundamentally strong moving forward 2 ERs with the only NVDA being stronger, and maybe AVGO. PE 25 with FWD PE 8-11 (depending on analyst). If yoy know the details of their next ER guidance, its pretty much gauranteed, also only being able to supply 50 to 66% of customer orders, you will understand why their operating margins hitting 60%+ and will be this margin until at least 26Q3. Consumer market for ram is a good indicator of the seriousness, just look up memory prices, and the expected price increase of pcs, mobile estimated tp be at least 8% due to RAM prices. Sky Hynix internal memo states this shortfall will continue to 2028, with Taiwanese memory sellers stating until at least 2027. Yoy gotta be really special type of smart to talk bs and not know anything of the subject topic. Just put 50k in MUU, even now you'll probably get at least 40-70% before next ER. Low risk, good gains (not as good as aug-nov) and predictable outcomes, without the risk of Mike Burry trashing NVDA (I hold some NVDA from when I bought $60 bucks but only about 80k, keeping because if I sell, my rax will go crazy this year). Literally yoy keep yapping and you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. Look at the last 2 ERs. And understand the market before stating stupid numbers like 180.
Every financial website in the world shows TTM at 10.x and FWD at 20ish but you can read so I guess I’ll take your word for it
It was still a smart move IMO. Its like investors think that they will make the GDP of some countries P/E of 425 FWD P/E of 333 Better off buying and holding wendys
Nope - you're right. Investor sentiment is tanking. AI spend and revenue are accelerating. These opportunities do not come up too often. Not just Nebius. Nvidia at a FWD PE around 22 now.. Costco 40+, WMT 35+
Google back at 30 PE trailing and 26 FWD. Guessing this is somehow related to the Amazon OpenAI news because it’s always the reason for sudden dumps. I buy daily calls every time this happens and it’s usually treated me well.
They are kind of cheap used compared to something like a Civic Type R. Maybe Im crazy but Id rather have a sorted FWD car than AWD. Torque vectoring AWD is cool but when you're not on the power it's still a rickshaw. Might as well save the weight
I’ve begun to build a position at these levels. Currently at about 20% of a “full” position. FWD PEG looks attractive
Probably selling off due to the rotation of money out of the AI trade after Oracle’s earnings. It’s exactly what NVDA did after a blowout earnings as well. Also, Broadcom isn’t cheap. AVGO’s fwd PE is about 42x at $387 a share. Nvidia’s FWD PE at $180 a share is 24-25x.
Broadcom is a stock I will never understand. 60x FWD for 28% growth is just not that attractive. Nvidia is growing faster. TSMC is growing faster. Both half as expensive with better margins.
If MSFT and AMZN at 28 FWD PE sounds like a bubble, you need to re-evaluate your risk tolerance. Blah blah blah depreciation... these are the smartest companies in the world. Don't assume you're more knowledgeable about data centers than they are!
It’s a dip from the $212 it was trading at a few weeks back. And it hit $212 with forward guidance of China revenue being $0. Let’s do some calculations. At $189, this is still a great place to buy. At $189 Nvidia’s forward PE is currently 25-26x, second lowest of all the Mag7. Still reasonable even without the China revenue. NVDA’s Chinese revenue in 2024 was $10.3B NVDA’s Chinese revenue in 2025 was $17.1B Let’s assume $20B in additional China revenue next year as a rough estimate. If $20B of Chinese revenue is added to forward guidance, that would put NVDA trading at a forward PE of 17.1x. If you add $25B new revenue then NVDA’s FWD PE would be 15.8. At $30B the fwd PE becomes 14.7. You can expect anywhere from $20-$30B in yearly Chinese revenue IMO. If we count that revenue, NVDA is literally dirt cheap rn, anywhere from 14.7-17.1 FWD PE. Analysts are going to have to completely change their price targets and this should break through $200 very soon.
Haha. You are looking at the TTM P/E, not the FWD. Simple misunderstanding but again, it seems like you have an ego or a point to prove over something I have no idea about. But to say Seeking Alpha's P/E is based on random people writing an article is ridiculous. Yes I see random articles written by "analysts", but that wasnt the talking point. Enjoy your day!