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NolaBrass

He’s done things for absurdly small amounts of money. Why would he suddenly want his presidential salary of $400,000 towards the end of his first term after not taking it initially (his 2020 tax return showed no charitable donations at all despite his press officers saying he donated the first two quarters of that year to HHS… a department he is now gutting)? Why would he have the Secret Service pay approximately $2 million to him while staying at his properties to provide him security in his first term? Every economic move is about his bottom line if possible, no matter how small

SampleHomeSapiens

The best way to steal the issue from the Dems would be for Trump to announce on Aug 29, 2025. Under the Biden admin HHS issued the recommendation to DEA on Aug 29, 2023.

Cool_Ad_5101

I don’t agree with your comments here. yes it’s still federally scheduled, but you are missing a few things; 1. 280e elimination is big, it also allows them to make a case for 2023 and 2024 overpayments or tax liabilities to be reduced or eliminated as the HHS made the announcement in 2023 and the dea forcibly slow played it so it would not happen in 2023 and 2024. 2. allows cannabis to be studied. there are big benefits for cannabis for pain, adhd, depression, anxieTy, sleep and PTSD/PTS. it will be huge for our vets and other jobs that are very difficult. 3. a better chance for safer banking and uplisting on schedule 3 than schedule 1. I do agree, we need the closure of the hemp loophole and safer and uplisting too, but I disagree with your statement. I guess that’s what makes a market.

Many_Easy

The key word is **INDEPENDENT** directors. Biden respected that and Trump doesn’t. Biden started the whole process with HHS - **let’s not forget that.** By the way, Trump is POTUS now. Let’s focus on present. Almost forgot, Cole Memo rescinded under Trump’s first term. Also, using your logic - why didn’t Trump pressure Youngkin and DeSantis to stop opposing? Assuming we actually get another election, I feel confident we’ll get more pro-cannabis reforms eventually, so this current S3 quagmire and noise doesn’t change my thesis and longer term macro outlook.

skinniks

WTF? UOK, RFK JRs HHS RSS feed has an update already. If you drink a little bit, just a teensy, wee lil fucker of kerosene, every hour for 18 hours, 12 if you're lucky and got infected on the solstice, and then that little fucker will just slide on out. Bobby's going to infect himself live on CSPAN at noon tomorrow to show America it works.

Many_Easy

You can also tell them about GOP bringing back confederate statues and censoring slave history from the Smithsonian. Also, maybe mention how Biden started the HHS rescheduling/review. Maybe mention how Nixon, DeSantis, Youngkin, McConnell, et. al. opposed cannabis reforms. Lots of history.

jmu_alumni

From my understanding that is usually how it works. In the case of cannabis, Biden pushed this forward to have HHS take a look rather than DEA forwarding it. This will be DEA -> HHS -> back to DEA (where they can stall, but unlikely with this administration’s DEA since they passed it to HHS in the first place) Check out TDR interview with Shane Pennington for a deeper dive

Flipside68

“DEA Forwards Psilocybin Rescheduling Petition To HHS For Review” Does anyone now why this is opposite of cannabis? HHS —-> DEA cannabis rescheduling DEA —-> HHS psilocybin rescheduling

AverageNo130

He is mopping up what HHS approved on Aug 29, 2023. Then it stalled. Until now.

Many_Easy

Whataboutism. We’re in 2025 and discussing current times. Just to respond to your comment - happy with HHS review set in motion and disappointed with lack of progress with SAFE. Also disappointed they (Dems) didn’t reinstate Cole Memo that was canceled by prior administration and GOP that opposed SAFE in 2022. I’m an independent and I don’t idolize politicians either, so they’re not beloved to me. As so-so or bad as prior administration was, nothing compared to the BS happening now. Not even close.

bananastock

Yup. Takes a position. Pumps it until the event, sells out, then posts after hes out. Scummy or not, dude makes money and has had the inside scoop. He posted the day the HHS release their findings if I remember correctly.

DowntownWpg

I am more apt to believe it is coming since the DEA sent psilocybin over the HHS for a rescheduling recommendation recently. That is HUGE. If the administration wanted to continue the prohibitionist stance on psilocybin they could just do nothing rather than have it evaluated. By association this is bullish for Cannabis. Many hate Trump, but he might be the administration to execute this reform. He seems to be in legacy mode right now, chasing a Nobel Peace prize and other things to be remembered by. He is clearly open to medical use of cannabis, hence schedule 3 seems likely.

vsMyself

ahh part of the 'TDS' using the crowd. that explains how you don't see the prices from right before the election. This is fact and not hard to see. Not all MSOS had much to gain in florida but they are all down big. strange huh. Did you also forget the time from the HHS recommendation until the election?

GeoLogic23

What are you hoping for from Zorn that will be significant for us? We're waiting on the DEA for schedule 3 right now, not the HHS.

DowntownWpg

Cannabis Schedule 3 just become more likely when the DEA advanced the Psilocybin rescheduling petition to the HHS for evaluation. This shows the administration is open to these new therapies, it's not just lip service. Oddly, Cannabis investors seem to have ignored this.

AverageNo130

DEA has had 3 years since HHS approved in Aug '23.

Competitive-Ant2876

We had hype and higher expectations when HHS came out Because it followed the expectation of Biden getting it done but here’s the thing Where is new capital coming from?????? There’s only a handful of brokerages that allow clients to invest in cannabis. That doesn’t change with S3.

Competitive-Ant2876

Hate to rain on your guys parade but I don’t believe rescheduling will drive these stock price rices has high as you think. I think we’ll see 30-40 percent increase in some names. Some would argue that HHS was just as significant, especially the letter coming out of left field and you only saw around 20 percent run up. You should tapper expectations. 280e is already reflected in financials if you guys take time to read them. The only thing that changes is net income and even then you can currently estimate with a 5 percentage margin of error where they would be after 280e goes away.

manualCAD

Wait...the DEA is doing the paperwork to have HHS review scheduling of psilocybin?!? So there are actually sentient humans working at the DEA doing something? I couldn't tell....

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ABSOLUTELY, when you have a million-dollar-a-plate dinner with your buddies a month ago and tell them you’re gonna look at it when VA veterans are getting access and HHS released a 252 page scientific document pertaining to its medicinal value in which the us govt admitted for the first time in history that it does indeed have value, and schedule 1 is *no accepted medical use* then how can you say that when you released said doc and you’re prescribing veterans the medicine. Pot stocks ran over the last month cause his rich ass hole friends started building their positions. Trump himself said he heard good things about medical and they’d have a determination in a few weeks. It’s 70% popular. You think they said they’ll announce an answer and you think it’s going to be to do nothing, the unpopular one. Okay guy. P.s. already made $180k on MSOX in 6 weeks check my posts.

Simplylegalize

Thanks. Yeah I agree. It’s all crazy with the 256 HHS report and like over 90% approval for schedule 3 for comment process for them to do anything less than schedule 3. Based on the inflows to MSOS, it appears this is happening.

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MSOS is at $5 and it was trading around $10.00-$10.50 at its peak during the campaign trail when reform was hopes and pipe dreams for the fledgling Biden admin. I’ve listened extensively to TDR since April, and I’m very familiar with the HHS recommendation in 2023 when I started following. Schedule 1 is no accepted medical use. The HHS recommendation was a 252 scientific document on the medicinal value of THC. First time in history the US govt admitted that on paper. Scum. Now the house is about to push through a bill allowing VA veterans to be prescribed weed. How can the admin say it has no medicinal value when they drafted that document and they’re prescribing veterans? I believe there’s a 90% chance we get an announcement within the next 2-6 weeks, and if that happens then I’d think MSOS would at least finish the year above $10. Do with that what you will.

throwawayainteasy

So I figure anything not vaccine-related is getting rubber stamp approval from the FDA now that the worm guy has fully crippled HHS. I'm getting some lottery tickets for smaller companies with pending approvals over the next 1-2 months. ARWR, OTLK, TNXP. Lets see if any print.

Veganlightbody

Biden is the one that started the HHS review to get this done, were yo sleeping? Biden's weakness was adhering to the constitution and not running a dictatorship, which trump has discovered is possible to do through intimidation of political allies.

AverageNo130

He could say...HHS aprroved S3 for cannabis so cannabis will be S3.

Competitive-Ant2876

Yeah nobody knows, all we truly know is what we have confirmed. HHS report , & the fact dea has never went against a recommendation- everything else is he said she said- a lot of people get boxed in to a specific investment view. Personally I think perspective is the best leverage someone could have, see the good & bad, and then increase or decrease your position size accordingly

GeoLogic23

October 2022 Biden ordered the rescheduling review, and we pumped. August 2023 HHS recommended Schedule 3, and we pumped. April 2024 DEA confirmed they would go to Schedule 3, and we pumped.

UsedState7381

All of this is also a result of Biden doing shit about fuck after requesting the HHS to do that.

bananastock

The funny thing is, it's all a result of Biden directing HHS to look at cannabis classification. Yet everyone is praising Trump.

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Same, on the conviction. Been watching since HHS in ‘23 and got rekt, got back in on April fomo over Cole saying s3 review was priority. Doubled down when I started believing the rumors in the summer. If s3 happens then I believe in a long term bull market too, but still having to say *if* with 325k on the line now is hella scary.

Tiaan

No real difference from a stock/investment point of view IMO. The controlled substances act in itself is a bit misleading as once you get down to S3, there's not a big difference between how S3, S4 and S5 drugs are viewed. In fact, one of the big reasons why S3 was recommended by HHS initially instead of S4 or S5 was because they couldn't adequately compare cannabis against enough S4 and S5 drugs to determine if it belonged lower than S3 or not and left that door open for future work

Tiaan

People realized we were still months away from anything materializing, and then we ran up again into 2024 as news came out regarding the DEA taking on HHS' recommendation. Then we set a top when people realized we were still 1+ year away from anything being finalized. This time we're at the final step, so no more waiting months for things to get finalized. Once Trump instructs the AG to issue the final rule, it'll be done within days/weeks imo and become effective immediately

ComprehensiveKiwi489

Looking at the MSOS chart. When the HHS rescheduling recommendation happened (Aug 30th), I can see that there was the initial run, and then a quick, large drop...Before eventually going higher in Jan / Feb of the next year. Does anyone remember why it dropped after the initial run (before going back up later)?

GeoLogic23

Congress did that. The Legislative branch can instantly change laws/regulations by passing a bill, because that is their function in government. They can put fentanyl on Schedule 1, and they can descheduled alcohol, despite those being the wrong place for those substances. They have complete authority to do whatever they want. The Executive Branch can't just create new laws/regulations, so they need to go through the review process with the HHS and DEA to change the scheduling of a drug.

Wan4trulove

Technically Trump is not issuing final ruling , he may direct DOJ to complete the process and then DOJ may issue final ruling after deeming the hearings are no longer needed as there is no ALJ judge and there is HHS and OLC backing as well as international treaty compliance. If you ask me Biden was a through and through Anti-Drug candidate his political career , After HHS recommendation and comment period , he could have asked DOJ to complete the process without hearing. But the moment he is out of the race, he simply let prohibitionists like SAM collude with DEA to stall the process.

KAESLAX

I don't disagree, this is largely why I still own them. But in the last couple years they haven't moved nearly as much as some of the others on news. When the HHS S3 recommendation came out August 2023, CGC pumped by far the most of the LPs in the weeks that followed IIRC. It's just interesting that we aren't really seeing the same thing now two years later, it seems CGC has really fallen out of favour.

MarkVegas1

Too bad Biden was too old and fucking slow to react even after getting the thumbs up from DOJ and HHS. All he had to do was sign. Guess the auto pen was broke that day after giving everyone a pardon.

MarkVegas1

Too bad Biden was too old and fucking slow to react even after getting the thumbs up from DOJ and HHS. All he had to do was sign. Guess the auto pen was broke that day after giving everyone a pardon.

MarkVegas1

Too bad Biden was too old and fucking slow to react even after getting the thumbs up from DOJ and HHS. All he had to do was sign. Guess the auto pen was broke that day after giving everyone a pardon.

GeoLogic23

He would be going against **Biden's** HHS. A key detail. He's made orders of magnitudes more money off of other scams. And he already has their money. Why would he care? Yea I could see them stalling by ordering their HHS to go back and review the data again. I just don't want people to think it's a done deal and we're all good to get Schedule 3 soon. And for people to remember that there is still a chance for a negative outcome. People may get caught up in the current excitement and overextend themselves.

UsedState7381

He would be going against the HHS and the OLC by extension, not to mention going against all of the MSOs who donated considerably to his PAC. I'm not saying that this would be impossible, but it would be downright moronic and frankly stupid, even by his standards. If he didn't wanted to do any of this, stall tactics would have been the only viable way I could see him saving face.

GeoLogic23

Not rescheduling or rescheduling to 2 is the same for us, so it doesn't even matter. I'm pretty sure Trump can get his HHS to review the data again and recommend 2 if they really wanted though. Just claim the last administration broke some protocol or something. Idk, we'll see what happens. It at least sounds like we won't have super long to wait. Presuming some new scandal doesn't derail this timeline.

GeoLogic23

Biden was the one to initiate the rescheduling review in the first place? That order comes directly from the President. The HHS then performed their 8 factor analysis. Now we are waiting on Trump's DEA to simply sign off on the work done by Biden's HHS, who recommended Schedule 3. Maybe I'm misreading what you are asking? We wouldn't even have a Schedule 3 recommendation to be discussing if it weren't for Biden explicitly ordering cannabis rescheduling. [https://mjbizdaily.com/biden-calls-for-review-of-marijuana-scheduling-pardons-thousands-for-mj-offenses/](https://mjbizdaily.com/biden-calls-for-review-of-marijuana-scheduling-pardons-thousands-for-mj-offenses/) >Third: We classify marijuana at the same level as heroin – and more serious than fentanyl. It makes no sense. I’m asking Sec. Becerra and the Attorney General to initiate the process of reviewing how marijuana is scheduled under federal law.

UsedState7381

>I am not saying they would actually go with Schedule 2, but Trump did not say Schedule 3 HHS report said schedule 3 and is backed by the OLC memo. Either they decide to not reschedule the plant, or reschedule it to 3.

GeoLogic23

In a normal government, the President wouldn't be making comments at all once the HHS review has started, because they have no role whatsoever in determining the safety of a drug. Biden's press secretary did repeatedly say that Biden supported rescheduling cannabis though. Also did you listen to what Trump actually said? Because he did not say Schedule 3. He just said they were looking at reclassification. He said he's heard good things about medical, and bad things about just about everything else. "We'll make a determination over the next few weeks. And that determination hopefully will be the right one." I am not saying they would actually go with Schedule 2, but Trump did not say Schedule 3. If we're concerned about what a President "directly mentions" then we should be very clear on what terms were used. Context is everything.

sniffstink1

I think that's actually a pretty good idea. And I'd take that a step further - eliminate any sort of statistics thing that report on stuff. This will prevent any of those LibRuL blue haired transgender DEI people from reporting negative things about 'murica. Then, last step would be to start proclaiming loud and proud how America added 1 Trillion jobs last month and unemployment is at 1 (some gender studies college professor somewhere), and that the economy is BOOMING, with 400btrade deals signed. Proclaim that covid is defeated, there's 0 cases of measles, and that RFK junior has eliminated obesity as people finally started following the HHS recommended health plan of 1 colonic irrigation weekly, followed by a daily meal of grapefruit juice and raw american steak & corn.

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Thanks brother. Damn son, where does that put your average NVDA price at?? Nice work! I looked up the price history on MSOS when the HHS recommendation came out in ‘23. The following four days including day of: +21.2%, +14.8%, +0.8%, +18.6% Today it was +25.7% and MSOX cleared 54.2%, and now MSOS is up 5% in overnight trading. My gut tells me a choppy ride ahead, but that we finish the week higher than we closed today. My goal is to hang on tight to the fomo on this leveraged play and sell at either $307k gain for the $420k bag or just go for the $420k gain. As for more investing instead of gambling, I’m up ~45% on the rest of my non-cash since April which puts me at ~400k in AMD, SOUN, robotics, JOBY, and psychedelics. Been an insane 72% year for me after today. When I get off this train soon, hopefully at my goal, then I will put $250k into tier 1 MSO’s with 1.5b market caps and kick up my feet and not touch any of these ports for years besides taxes because I think the angel investment that I mentioned will actually become a serious cash flowing asset in 2026. Surely if rescheduling happens + banking + uplisting then my $250k weedfolio becomes a mil+ by 2030. One thing is for sure, I’mma get rich or high trying.

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lol TLRY. That all huh? Would love to see your gains. “rescheduling at the moment” tells me all that I need to know. HHS recommendation was in ‘23 aka first time in history that the US govt admitted on paper that cannabis has medicinal value. Been here for years and started believing mango was gonna actually push it across the finish line back in April, check the dates. Then of course it takes this shit govt months to even put Cole in the chair. This is not advice, but all you have to do is buy tier 1 American MSO’s and hold, rescheduling is barely changing shit for a Canadian company like TLRY Pssst.. hey… there’s already almost 2 billion dollar market cap American weed companies that achieved that valuation without even being able to write off expenses!! Their margins will instantly be substantially improved and demand increased. Forget TLRY lol.

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Zoom in, my timing was terribly unlucky for the first two lots. I bought at $4.38 and $5.27 in April after it was just in the low $2’s on pure fomo around Cole saying he’d make reviewing rescheduling a priority. Then the govt takes for ever to even put him in the chair. I was down back in the $2’s by mid June. I’ve been red the vast majority of days I’ve held this position. So.. I added more cause I watched TDR weekly and started to believe the rumors. Then after an amazing month and last week with a 14% Friday, the rumors were finally given credence with the WSJ and CNN articles at 9pm. Could barely sleep all weekend. Then mango finally did his thing. I’ve been following this for 2 years closely since the HHS recommendation in ‘23. A 252 page scientific document where for the first time the US govt admitted it has medicinal value. You think is happened fast don’t you? Nah. I’ve been bleeding, itching, and praying for years for some sort of justice for being caged over a plant as a kid. It’s coming. I will not miss the fucking train. I will get off the fomo ride soon and set up shop in Tier 1, billion dollar market cap MSO’s and kick my feet up and get rich on weed out of spite over the next 5 years. Fuck the man! Smoke em if you got ‘em.

Kbarbs4421

[Here is the IRS statement on the matter.](https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-marijuana-remains-a-schedule-i-controlled-substance-internal-revenue-code-section-280e-still-applies) Pretty pointed and unambiguous in my opinion. There is a theory out there that the cannacos may be successful in challenging those taxes accrued post HHS reschedule recommendation. I'm not sure if that's a sound argument. The IRS statement doesn't appear to support it. And in general, the logic doesn't hold for me. The law is the law until the law is changed. If that takes years, that's just part of the game. But perhaps there's some precedent out there for tax forgiveness tied to excessive administrative delays...? In short, IRS has clearly stated that 280e taxes are the applicable law of the land for as long as the substance remains Schedule I. Full stop. Anything other than that is creative legal theory that is, as far as I know, an untested longshot.

ConsciousScar7821

Loving the AH’s pump. Should have another great day tomorrow. Definitely reminds me of the HHS rally.

jamminstein

This move from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3 started under Biden over two years ago. The HHS has already recommended Schedule 3 and filed a 250+ page report regarding their findings and decision. It has been stuck in limbo with the corrupt DEA who have stalled and refused to move it forward along with enacting the decision by the HHS. Congress is not needed here, only the DEA or Attorney General need to approve at this point, so basically if Trump says do it then it will go through.

KAESLAX

Nice to finally have a 1,000+ comment day again. Last time was probably August 2023 with the HHS S3 news. Hard to believe that was two years ago. Hopefully this time we get some real progress.

Kbarbs4421

I assuming the pending SIII recommendation by HHS would need to be resolved. Even if it's a denial of the recommendation. But I can't claim to understand the procedural requirements of the process at the level.

Cool_Ad_5101

while I agree with your hesitation and have it as well, if you look at facts: as stated below HHS review is based on science. schedule 3 doesn’t INCREASE access. let the states decide has been his mantra. will not increase risk to children if there is no increase access. whatever the risk is it’s already there. so let’s hope he makes the right decision and does what the HHS thinks. also, agree with other commenters he can’t apepear to be pro recreational for his anti cronies

Cool_Ad_5101

as stated below HHS review is based on science. schedule 3 doesn’t INCREASE access. let the states decide has been his mantra. will not increase risk to children if there is no increase access. whatever the risk is it’s already there.

Cool_Ad_5101

I don’t see it. HHS review is based on science. schedule 3 doesn’t INCREASE access. let the states decide has been his mantra

Cool_Ad_5101

Hence why the dea really has no case. Trump just had a conference about cannabis so hopefully they follow the HHS recommendations

Many_Easy

Agree sort of. What if government (i.e. GOP) doesn’t want schedule 3 or other reforms? I’d prefer that these agencies do what they’re supposed to do based on laws and constitution. That means following the science which was already proven by HHS review and recommendation.

Cool_Ad_5101

I hear you and you aren’t wrong, but when that institution so BLATANTLY disregarded the HHS recommendation and played dirty pool it’s up to POTUS to smack them, put them back in their place. Police officers ENFORCE a the law, they don’t make laws. The DEA enforces drug policy it doesn’t make the law. Such a disgusting use of power.

jgooody

Feels like the HHS recommendation back in 2023 around the same time of year. Saw multiples in terms of gaimz then it topped Wednesday that week.

Cool_Ad_5101

we all would love action especially since the HHS made their recommendation 2 years ago in Aug 2023

Variant_Shades

>Agreed and I think someone has bribed him enough, people with a vested interest in the sector, like Trulieve and GTI donating millions in legal bribes in the form of maga super pac’s, and I think he gets a hard on thinking about owning the libs for doing what they couldn’t. Sure. But there other folks that have just as much money (if not more) and have just as much interest to keep the cannabis status quo. I do believe the DEA is not going to move on rescheduling unless Trump himself pushes them to do so. The question is, does he care enough about the issue and is he willing to spend the political capital to do so. We'll see. > I’m semi-new, been trading in the sector since HHS released their rec 2 years ago. I’m definitely new to green, and I doubt it’ll dro40% and that I’ll go red again, but if it then I would just buy more 2 years. You're pretty much a newborn baby in this sector. This movement and volume is nothing new. >If you’re so wise, then short it. Dude, I shorted this sector for like 3 fucking years. I'm good. I stopped shorting since the beginning of this year. Mostly because I got bored and moved on to other sectors. >or keep shaking your fist at the clouds like an old man… or better yet, lighten tf up and be happy for people making gains like I am for you having done so early. First of all, I'm not that old. lol. And this is the weedstock subreddit. The whole point is to have discussion and my response was fairly civil and simply fact based. If it bothered you, grow some thicker skin I guess.

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Agreed and I think someone has bribed him enough, people with a vested interest in the sector, like Trulieve and GTI donating millions in legal bribes in the form of maga super pac’s, and I think he gets a hard on thinking about owning the libs for doing what they couldn’t. I’m semi-new, been trading in the sector since HHS released their rec 2 years ago. I’m definitely new to green, and I doubt it’ll drop 40% and that I’ll go red again, but if it then I would just buy more. You’re absolutely right that it’s still just rumors, but for the first time I believe them and I’m putting my money where my mouth is until these rumors become official. Whether that’s this year, ‘26 midterms, or ‘28. I don’t care. I refuse to believe reform will never happen. I will offload a large portion after this pop and fade and reallocate to tier 1’s for the long term. If you’re so wise, then short it. Post your bet like I posted mine, or keep shaking your fist at the clouds like an old man… or better yet, lighten tf up and be happy for people making gains like I am for you having done so early. GLTA!

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Agreed and I think someone has bribed him enough, people with a vested interest in the sector, like Trulieve and GTI donating millions in legal bribes in the form of maga super pac’s, and I think he gets a hard on thinking about owning the libs for doing what they couldn’t. I’m semi-new, been trading in the sector since HHS released their rec 2 years ago. I’m definitely new to green, and I doubt it’ll drop 40% and that I’ll go red again, but if it then I would just buy more. You’re absolutely right that it’s still just rumors, but for the first time I believe them and I’m putting my money where my mouth is until these rumors become official. Whether that’s this year, ‘26 midterms, or ‘28. I don’t care. I refuse to believe reform will never happen. I will offload a large portion after this pop and fade and reallocate to tier 1’s for the long term. If you’re so wise, then short it. Post your bet like I posted mine, or keep shaking your fist at the clouds like an old man… or better yet, lighten tf up and be happy for people making gains like I am for you having done so early. GLTA!

AverageNo130

HHS approved S3 on Aug 2023. Biden had 15 months to finalize that. Didn't happen.

WT-Financial

So you think the combined powers of reducing Medicaid coverage and HHS’s general quackery regarding advisory panels and requirements will lead to better health for an already unhealthy segment of the population? That’s a terrible take, but you do you.

Many_Easy

Now you’re just being silly. Save whatever credibility you have and stick to facts. Let me go first. Biden initiated HHS review. Sure it was later in his term and likely politically motivated, but he did start the process rolling. Sure he didn’t get DEA over finish line with his influence. Sure SAFE didn’t pass maybe because of social equity provisions requested made GOP oppose and not get to 60 votes in December 2022. I personally believe the GOP would have still opposed. However, the Democratic Party has always been more pro-cannabis reforms than the GOP. I really don’t think I need to go back and hash Nixon, DeSantis, Youngkin, McConnell, Reagan’s “Just Say No” campaign, et. al. Nor do I need to rehash all the rumours that never came to any fruition. I’m just calling it like it is.

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You thought this in 2020 and 2021 at *all time highs* with half the amount of legal states, no HHS, no people Shapiro advocating, and no president doing executive orders Willy nilly that voted for recreational in FL. How can you not see that this isn’t even close to the same landscape. You thought you were gonna ride into the sunset with MSOS at $50 after 120% run? Where did you think it was going? $250-$500?? We don’t need $500. I will ride into the sunset if it gets back to $10-$12. That’s the difference between us. You needed a pipe dream. We just need it to get back to $10-$15. I don’t understand your position. Why are you here? Do you hold anything or are you just so jaded that you’re an old man shaking your fist at the sky. You trying to tell me that weed will *never* be reformed. It could be 2028, cool, buy more and hold. Prices are low af. Scared money don’t make money. You could have set stop losses on the way down and started buying in the crater and let it ride, but you seem too scared. Either climb aboard the long game, or give us the friendly wave as the train leaves without ya.

Many_Easy

Kudos to Biden for initiating HHS review. Will provide kudos to current POTUS should he actually advance S3 to finish line.

Professional_Mud_535

And that genius heading up HHS ran for as an anti PE guy The only thing I agreed with him on Most PE investments seem to be set on acquiring these smaller companies that are necessary for the average Joe to use ( think HVAC Plumbing, Electrical , Insurance) rolling them up under larger umbrellas and then charging whatever they want for their services Just google RFK Jr on Private Equity

Cool_Ad_5101

Three different articles from more reputable news sources. Let’s hope it’s only been 2 years since HHS

livefromheaven

Over a recent dinner at his private Bedminster, New Jersey, club, as President Donald Trump recounted his move against the country’s top economic statistician and riffed on New York City politics, the conversation turned to a politically potent issue still in flux: loosening federal restrictions on marijuana. “We need to look at that,” Trump acknowledged to the small gathering of donors, according to two people in attendance. “That’s something we’re going to look at.” Nearly a year ago, Trump suggested his return to the White House would usher in a new era for marijuana, one that would make it easier for adults to access safe products and give states greater leeway to pursue legalization. He signaled support for removing marijuana from the same legal category as dangerous narcotics like heroin. The pronouncement set him apart from many of his Republican predecessors and came as Trump courted younger Americans, minority groups and libertarian-leaning voters. But seven months into his second term, Trump’s inaction so far on marijuana remains a notable unkept commitment by a president who has acted swiftly on other campaign pledges. Behind the scenes, the issue has exposed sharp fault lines within Trump’s team. Trump’s top political advisers, who have led an aggressive push to check off campaign promises, have urged action, according to two people familiar with the internal discussions. They have argued that such a move could help bolster Republican support ahead of the midterm elections. Other policy advisers, though, remain wary, cautioning that the moral and legal ramifications of loosening marijuana restrictions could outweigh the potential gains and even backfire politically . In a statement to CNN, White House spokeswoman Abigail Jackson said that when it comes to marijuana, “all policy and legal requirements and implications are being considered.” “The only interest guiding the president’s policy decision is what is in the best interest of the American people,” she said. Intensifying deliberations are happening as mixed signals are being telegraphed publicly on what Trump might do next. Scotts Miracle-Gro CEO James Hagedorn told Fox Business last week that Trump has privately assured him and others “multiple times” that he plans to reclassify marijuana to a less controlled category of substances. The 157-year-old lawn and garden giant has become a leader in the nascent cannabis industry, with a fast-growing hydroponics business that Federal Election Commission records show donated $500,000 to a Trump-aligned super PAC last year. But reforming marijuana policy was noticeably absent from the top objectives recently published by Trump’s newly installed head of the Drug Enforcement Administration, Terrance Cole. Hagedorn said Cole’s recent cannabis snub wasn’t surprising coming from a “career law enforcement guy.” “I think what (Cole) needs to hear is a call from the president or the chief of staff saying, ‘This is a promise he made during the campaign, and promises made are promises kept, ‘” he told Fox Business. That “promise” from Trump, as Hagedorn cast it, arrived in a social media message last year during the closing months of his presidential campaign, when he was aggressively pushing to expand his coalition beyond traditional GOP voters. Writing on Truth Social in September, Trump announced he intended to vote for a ballot measure to legalize recreational marijuana in his home state of Florida. Trump then added that, as president, he would “continue to focus on research to unlock the medical uses of marijuana to a Schedule 3 drug.” Marijuana is currently classified as a Schedule 1 drug – the federal category for illicit substances with “no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.” Moving it to Schedule 3, which the DEA defines as “drugs with a moderate to low potential for physical and psychological dependence,” is something Trump has said he supports. “As I have previously stated, I believe it is time to end needless arrests and incarcerations of adults for small amounts of marijuana for personal use,” Trump also wrote in the post. He even discussed the topic with Joseph Edgar Foreman, the pro-pot rapper better known as Afroman, when the two both appeared last summer at the Libertarian Party Convention in Washington, DC. For a time, it seemed change could come before the 2024 election. In 2022, President Joe Biden ordered the departments of Justice and Health and Human Services to review whether marijuana should be reclassified. The next year, HHS recommended moving marijuana to Schedule 3 and in 2024 the Department of Justice initiated a new rule to codify the proposal. Biden called the move “monumental” and a “major step.” But momentum stalled and Biden left office before the rule could be finalized. A hearing the DEA scheduled for the day after Trump took office was canceled and hasn’t been rescheduled. In her statement, Jackson, the White House spokeswoman, noted that the current administration is still contending with the process initiated under Biden. One White House official suggested that executive action is unlikely until that is settled. The DEA did not respond to questions from CNN. Trump’s remarks at the recent Bedminster donor dinner underscore the expectation that the president, not anyone else, will ultimately decide whether to overhaul decades of marijuana policy in the United States. Privately, the White House has spent months researching whether and how to move ahead. Chief of Staff Susie Wiles requested affected agencies to weigh in and their responses, compiled by Trump’s Domestic Policy Council, now sit in a report on her desk, two people with knowledge of the report told CNN. One issue raised in ongoing deliberations is whether reclassifying marijuana would undermine law enforcement’s ability to use the smell of marijuana as probable cause for stops and searches, one of the people said. For Trump, whose tough-on-crime platform has emphasized empowering police to pursue drug offenders, that concern could emerge as a flashpoint.

Cool_Ad_5101

Really? We bulls have gotten slaughtered since 2021. A big win is schedule 3 final ruling which will be two years since the HHS made their announcement on Aug 30 2023. Totally ridiculous. That’s the big win we need, than safe, hemp loop hole closure and uplisting. Anything less than these four things and it will be Pennies for us. 

volckerwasright

Combined $44.8 million in inflows since July 1 for $MSOS and $MSOX (and we'll add to that tonight). I believe Oct 2023 was higher, on the back of the HHS announcement, but I can't find the cumulative figure at the moment. https://x.com/Shrek_420_/status/1952566286568857674

Any-Video4464

No way. They are just getting started. They are slowly but surely making their way into tons of gov agencies. # Summary Table |Agency|Area of Use| |:-|:-| |DoD (Army, Air Force, SOCOM, etc.)|Military logistics & intelligence| |CIA / NSA|Classified intelligence analysis| |DHS (ICE, CBP, FEMA)|Immigration, border, disaster response| |FBI / DEA / Marshals|Law enforcement & investigations| |HHS / CDC / VA|Healthcare, pandemic response| |DOE / IRS / Treasury|Energy, tax fraud, cybersecurity| |NASA / NGA / NRO|Space and satellite intelligence|

Competitive-Ant2876

It’s called an opinion, others can have them besides you lmao. HHS recommended on the 29th of 23. Why not announce on anniversary? As I’ve said before, everything is speculative because as it currently stands price action is based off headlines, and potential policy shifts. Nobody knows anything, not even those who are suppose to. Safe was suppose to happen every year for the last 5 years. PA was supposed to go rec every year for the last 3 years. FL was polling so high it was suppose to be an easy lock. NY was suppose to be the cali of the east when it opened but took 3 years to become decent. Nobody knows anything. NJ was suppose to be the best whole sale market but is terrible now. Everything I just stated came from outlets that are suppose to be credible. None of been correct at all. He say she say so they all say the same thing.

Logical_Wheel_1420

same senate that voted in a fox news host as district judge for DC and RFK for HHS

four_twenty_4_20

For sure, unless they announce S3. If S3 is 100% guaranteed, all bets are off as far as how high things can get since we're still so far off the highs from April/May 2024, never mind ATHs. Not suggesting we'll ever see ATHs again but I think the highs we hit after HHS recommending S3 are attainable if S3 is 100% confirmed. I'm not holding my breath..

RealEstateWindsor

I don't care. You said "as recommended by HHS after Biden initiated". So yeah you might remember, no one else will. Trump is about to steam roll through the Dems regarding this topic. Don't like it? DGAF, it's the truth. 

GeoLogic23

I will try to find the time to look into this section and what the previous and following sections say. At first glance this makes no sense though because we just had the HHS review happen. There would be literally no point in performing the review if you can just unilaterally decree a drug schedule for cannabis. Did you pull this from the code itself, or did you use a secondary source?

Cool_Ad_5101

I think we are both misunderstanding each other. the HHS did a review and in august 2023 said schedule 3. the DEA was clearly stalling. The president if so inclined could say finish it now dea as they serve at the pleasure of the president. the VP wrote one stupid tweet saying hurry up dea. that was not enough. they needed to get schedule 3 through and take the win. they wanted cannabis to be an election issue and it burned them IMO. we will never truly know but Biden wasnt a fan for whatever reason and I think people are sick of politicians dangling carrots.

GeoLogic23

The Democrats in Congress? What power do they have over the Executive Branch drug scheduling review? Congress can't do anything without 60 votes in the Senate. Dems can't get the GOP on board with SAFE let alone rescheduling cannabis. The Executive Branch only has the power to start the review, which forces it to go through the HHS and DEA. So you could actually say that Democrats realized the GOP were stalling any Legislative Branch reform, so they forced the issue through the Executive Branch. It's a worse way to get it done because it has to go through the DEA, but it's the only mechanism they had available to force the issue.

GeoLogic23

There is no mechanism to just reschedule a drug like that. He can order the review process to start, like Biden did. But he cannot say "reschedule cannabis to whatever schedule i feel like". I know it feels like he can just do anything, but he can't just change drug scheduling on a whim. Congress can pass legislation that puts cannabis on any schedule for any reason, like they just did with fentanyl. But the executive branch goes through the HHS/DEA review. **Don't you think Trump would've just rescheduled fentanyl to 1 himself and taken all the credit, if drug rescheduling was a power that he had?** He couldn't do that though. And he couldn't put fentanyl on 1 through the review process because it has well established medical uses. So it had to be Congress. The same rules apply to rescheduling cannabis.

Many_Easy

You are patently incorrect. I’ll start with HHS scheduling review, SAFE options under his presidency, and ~no opposition from Democrats. Compare to current POTUS and history of GOP. Draw a t-account - Dems on left. GOP on right. Results will overwhelmingly show Democrats more favorable. **That is beyond dispute.** Also, Biden is not POTUS, Trump is.

RealEstateWindsor

Biden campaigned on decriminalization, rescheduling, and more. In all those 4 years what did we get? An HHS review? Bullshit you guys got fed a 🥕 thinking they were actually going to do something. Trump is going to steal the issue, no one's going to remember who initiated the HHS review years down the road. Again Trump is 100% going to steal the issue and blast the Dems for doing absolutely nothing for this industry and failing to keep their promise. 

GeoLogic23

"If the order comes down" Do you think Trump can just order a drug to be rescheduled to whatever he wants? Because he can't. Or do you think he going to order them to finalize Schedule 3, as recommended by HHS after the review Biden initiated?

Prudent-Corgi3793

Yes. But that doesn't affect expected returns. The only US companies I'm investing in are NVDA and GOOG. I might add a few others, but I'll be picky about it. I don't need to pay a P/E of 180 for a car company just because it's based in the US when I can get Toyota for 7 or Hyundai for 3. I don't need to pay a P/E >25 for KO or PEP to get diabetes or for PG to wipe my ass, or a PE >40-50 to go to WMT or COST for the pleasure of doing so. Every single sector in the U.S. is [steeply overpriced](https://i.imgur.com/jCjVEyr.png) compared to ex-US. I think a 20-30% premium is justified, and even higher for tech. There is one exception that trades at a discount, healthcare, deserves this because the current HHS is openly hostile to evidence-based science, medicine, and research.

DowntownWpg

I wonder if they could be offered some backdating to the HHS finding. Trulieve has been winning against the IRS apparently. By February 2024, Trulieve reported receiving $113 million in tax refunds. So I could see 280e perhaps being backdated to help out the industry a bit. Would certainly be a boost for all.

Tiaan

This is an important point that is worth clarifying. In this scenario, any EO from Trump for rescheduling would center around instructing the DEA admin / AG to issue a final rule on the current administrative process that began with HHS recommending rescheduling to 3. The EO in itself would not be what reschedules cannabis. Once the DEA admin follows the order and issues the final rule, a future administration would need to re-initiate the administrative rescheduling process all over again to change its schedule, and it could not be changed just by an executive order.

Suitable-Increase-38

Much more likely with RFK Jr leading the HHS. They have signaled that Trump and RFK are ready to support psychedelics

noobstockinvestor

Its all about risk vs reward for me, not so much if the rumors are real/fake. Scenario 1) Bleed continues > We have plenty of time to exit positions at small losses. Scenario 2) Trump announces schedule 3 > 50-100% return within a few days. Scenario 3) Cole blocks schedule 3 > Stocks dumps back to ATLs \~30% haircut. Probability of 3 is low, he has the power to delay but not entirely refuse the HHS. Probability of 1 is highest and if that's the case I can exit at small losses. Probability of 2 is the highest its been with the recent surge in noise from SMG/VFF CEO, white house meetings, trump advisors, weldon, mike tyson, SAM, trump pro-rescheduling video being released etc. I'm willing to take minimal losses here for the upside that comes with schedule 3.

boravuth

Rescheduling makes sense since de-scheduling will take a much longer time. HHS has already completed its process and recommended a rescheduling.

PatchyCreations

you missed the point. We can still talk about Biden, just like we can still talk about Trump once his term is over. Bottom line is, it's 2025 and weed is still schedule 1. The opioid crisis has not gotten better. 217,000 marijuana-related arrests in 2023. Obama was president for 8 years, no movement. Biden president 4 years, only initiated HHS review as an effort to win votes; see Kamala's "I will legalize weed" pledge 2 weeks before the election. I assume he would've done absolutely nothing if it didnt stand to benefit him. Trump sucks but so does everyone else. I'm tired of pretending that its one team vs. the other. All I want to say is that they don't really care about us - Michael Jackson

Many_Easy

It started HHS review, which was huge. Current POTUS signed intoxicating hemp bill that’s killing MSOs, didn’t pressure DeSantis to back off opposition, put an anti-cannabis crusader as head of DEA, was in charge when Cole memo rescinded, etc. On the plus side, he contributed one yes vote to A3 or at least said he would. Also, cannabis market valuations tanked as soon as he was elected.

SlackerNinja717

No, but it's sad that it would not surprise me in 2025 for the HHS Secretary to publicly say that.

mealucra

🤖: >Yes,  the Attorney General can deschedule cannabis via formal administrative action if backed by HHS evaluation recommending non-control.  So prez tells rfk jr to recommend deschedule, then bondi signs it and it's done.

Ill-Chemical-348

Watching YOU. They are meeting with HHS and CMS today. Some contracts will be made but no way to tell with who. If Congress starts buying their stock we'll know.

volckerwasright

In a sense. I think we locked rescheduling in with the HHS letter, and he won’t interfere

DowntownWpg

I'm of the opinion that Trump sent out feelers using his MAGA winged monkey influencers on X. There was a day where many of them indicated that rescheduling is a campaign promise that Trump should keep. The administration has also invited industry to the Whitehouse (VFF delegation, Gretchen Gailey etc) to discuss rescheduling. Now if rescheduling meant opening the floodgates to Cannabis sales, I think Trump wouldn't risk it. Instead he is simply acknowleging an industry that is already accessible to around 75% of Americans already. He gets to add around 450k jobs to the job count not counted due to the industry being Schedule 1. I previously thought it would be done by executive order but I don't think he wants to go that route as a teetotaller. IMHO he has directed Cole to come to the conclusion based on science that Cannabis should be scheduled 3. This reluctant acceptance of the facts would fit Terry's lifelong prohibitionist stance, allowing him to simply following the science established by HHS. This allows Trump the win, but also some distance from the reclass to avoid alienating some of his prohibitionist base. He will also be able to shit talk Biden, Obama, Schumer and Democrats in general for failing to execute. Trump's approval rating is only 37% and he has the midterms next year. He needs to win back swing voters.