NHS

Kancho_Ninja

I honestly can’t tell if you’re talking about America or NHS 🤣

Agitated-Actuary-195

Here the list of just some of them…. All lies • “£350 million a week for the NHS” • “Turkey is about to join the EU / 76 million Turks could come to the UK” • “The EU is forcing Britain into an EU army” • “The EU makes 60–80% of UK laws” • “We send £350m a week and get nothing back” • “Brexit will let us redirect all EU payments to public services immediately” • “The UK has no control over EU immigration” • “EU membership bans Britain from striking its own trade deals” (presented without transition/complexity caveats) • “Brussels bans bendy bananas / straight cucumbers” • “Brexit will trigger an immediate recession” • “500,000 jobs will be lost immediately after a Leave vote” • “Every household will be £4,300 worse off” (presented as a guaranteed bill) • “House prices will crash 10–18% straight after a Leave vote” • “World War III” implications from leaving the EU • “The NHS will collapse if we leave the EU” • “Leaving the EU means we leave Europe” • “Brexit will automatically stop all EU migrants from coming” • “The EU is about to abolish the UK veto in key areas affecting sovereignty”

the__storm

DHS, not NHS - we'd never let them damn commies give us healthcare.

tootoohi1

It was a partial shutdown, Dems intentionally made it set up so everything else would be funded except for ICE and the NHS.

VanillaSkyBanana

So you're not happy that the NHS is becoming better and more effective, saving more lives? Got it.

Appropriate-Talk4266

I mean, it's not like they have access to the NHS data at least. They simply provide the software

SmashedWorm64

Not touching them with a 10ft barge poll. They have a contract with the NHS I’m not happy about as a taxpayer.

alemorg

In my previous comment above I said the UK is not a good example. NHS has a bunch of problems and the conservatives don’t want to increase funding. A properly funded health system should function as good as a public one. But I believe the stories you share

alemorg

I wouldn’t call private industry efficient…considering administrative costs make a bulk of health care spending across the board. The only reason friends and family go with private insurance in Western Europe is because their job offers it or because they can afford to pay more. The only difference is you get quicker appointments and private clinics/hospitals are nicer. The difference in healthspans between those who are private versus socially insured are marginal. The NHS is underfunded as most socialized health systems but they aren’t the best example. Germany or Scandinavian countries public health systems are solid. Same care you just have to wait longer. What’s dogshit about VA healthcare other than lengthy wait times which can be solved with hiring more providers?

MoneyForRent

Depending on what you mean by downfall, I don't think an extreme apocalyptic collapse is realistic, but I also don't think 100% US equities is a sure thing over the next 20 years compared to the rest of the planet. Even if administrations change, the reputation of the US has been dealt a huge blow. Cuts to programs and demolishing institutions such as the DOE and NHS will take some years until the effects ripple through to the economy. I think it's fair to say the economic output from the US is likely to be less than what it would have been, and the economy is at risk due to isolationist policies. Sure, the US might learn from this and do a complete 180 but trust is gained in inches and lost by miles.

Phortoes

No idea. But I know: - fishing industry is suffering. Job losses, closures, paperwork, export delays - NHS isn't getting the promised £350m a day. No one has been brought to account. They claim we haven't had a proper Brexit ... whatever that means. - lots of small businesses stopped trading outside the UK cos of tax/duty etc On the good side though: - we got 30% discount so only had to pay £570m to rejoin Erasmus for one year though it came with the EU. So UK students make sure you use it well in 2027/28 as it may not be renewed. - passports are now cool blue.

Mason_Caorunn

SES Ai - Very cool battery AI tech now moving to scale. Seems to have been missed by most people. Spectral AI - amazing biotech re treating burns - FDA approval this year - already selling to NHS.

msaleem

Aspirin causes you to cough up blood or have blood in your pee, poo or vomit (per NHS).  As long as we’re taking about things that can happen one in a million. 

Kindly-Artichoke6569

UnitedHealth’s move to shed Optum UK is a calculated de-risking strategy. It mirrors the post-2008 era when conglomerates purged non-core European units to fortify domestic moats. TPG is betting on the long-term necessity of NHS digitisation. Which makes sense. Private equity thrives where public infrastructure lags. It’s a strategic response to mounting regulatory pressure.

Pernicious-Peach

He'll have the best Healthcare the NHS can afford and wont have to be scared of medical bankruptcy bc of it

Salty-Bid1597

Yep, the US reneged already because the NHS exists and treats liberals occasionally.

Lo_jak

Thanks for the explainer, and I dont think i will ever truly understand the US health care system, it only seems designed to bleed people of their money. Its one of the reasons we would fight so hard to keep the NHS in the UK, we're well aware it isnt perfect and has plenty of faults. We pay a sum of money out of our pay packets each month and that goes towards the running of the services.

Heavy_Drummer1930

You are spot on with this. I believe the U.K. NICE announcement is due tomorrow (9th Dec) or thereabouts. If it gets NICE approval then the U.K. NHS has several centres waiting to deliver within 30 days, so 2026 revenue will ramp up. It should also positively impact likely of Swiss and Australian approvals.

Dramatic-Panda8012

bullshit numbers, we cant even access NHS in UK because there are too many people who use it and dont pay 🙃

gagagagaNope

Yep. Co-pay is the way. Embed personal responsibility. For UK socialists, it's the only area where they don't claim the EU is miles better than the UK. Much of europe has immeasurably better outcomes, often at much lower cost. For them the only two healthcare models are the NHS or an uninsured person in the USA.

gagagagaNope

In purely medical costs, the UK number will be far from zero. Not all healthcare is 'free'. In addition, we have thousands who go bankrupt because the NHS is dire in many circumstances - terrible quality of service, poor outcomes, years-long waiting lists. Those waiting lists alone are worse than the US situation because most people are unable to access alternatives. Treatment delayed for 2 years is no different to no treatment during thaat period, and you often have zero idea of when it may arrive. The thing he doesn't realise, is when you make something 'free', the demand becomes infinite.

Left-Associate3911

No Bernie, you are wrong. In the UK an individual might not go bankrupt but the NHS is a key reason why the nation is. And the radical left won’t admit it nor will they allow a sensible dialogue around reforming the NHS.

Tammer_Stern

The coincidence is the American drug companies are threatening to pull out of the UK unless the NHS pays more. I don’t know if there’s more to it but you can google that if you like.

burner4lyf25

Mate you have enough money to seek A+ tier, bottom of top level financial advice. For how much guidance you need, you could have a 2 hour sit down with a gold (not platinum) level financial advisor for fractions of what it would be worth to you in terms of the rest of your life. Take a long long long holiday and then seek proper, chartered advice would be My advice as an absolute financial layman but expert in handling life. I say “expert” but caveat is Im not an older guy, however I’ve seen every aspect of the spectrum except the really Shadowy elite. Grandad from GUTTERS to multi-millionaire, lifelong NHS mother, successful millionaire but vile and abusive father. Grammar school, state school and specialised school education (i did the rounds during school haha), can hold - and have had fruitful - conversations with billionaires, life long benefits claimants, wealthy drug dealers and wealthy stock brokers. My cousin works for JPM, Ive a friend in jail, another sectioned. My only male role model is in construction, and another in tech. We’re lower-middle class, but Ive been friends with lads whose parents are heroin addicts and others who have helicopter pads and mile long driveways with water features. Youre in pole position for a life beyond the wildest dreams of most people i know, but well within reach and realistic from another perspective. DO NOT RISK IT FOR MORE!!!!!!

Left-Associate3911

Half true. The private sector does not operate say A+E services. And your private health care provider will usually push you to use the NHS for diagnostic treatment first (which can be the expensive). When the NHS has determined what’s wrong and proposed a fix, you can revert back to your private health provider (with the NHS reports) and have your procedure done by the private provider. Private healthcare in the UK is not the same as in say, the USA or other parts of the world.

mondeomantotherescue

Just get an NHS. Simples

topgeezr

There are private doctors and hospitals in the UK as well. The private health care sector is not banned, nor has it dissappeared due to the presence of the NHS. In the UK you have a choice.

EdenSilver113

Conservatives in the UK have spent since some point around 2010 gutting the NHS. If you say a program is trash you still need to follow the money to see why it’s trash.

languid_flower

Where do you guys come up with this stuff, and then just congratulate each other endlessly over "fun facts" completely divorced from reality. It's funny that it's mostly Americans who have never traveled abroad. I've spent a good portion of my life abroad including in Europe, especially over the past couple of years. It's just bizarre complaining about US taxes in comparison to Europe. Also, incidently, I spent the day with a Brit yesterday traveling in China who was complaining about the absolute sh\*t NHS is in the UK and how people wait forever for subpar care. I really don't want to put in the effort to type a response to you (or to continue a conversation for that matter because I know it won't go anywhere), but here's an AI fact check for you "Fun fact #3":: Overall U.S. taxes are lower than most rich countries, and even residents of the highest‑tax U.S. states face a total burden that is still well below most Western European countries when measured as a share of GDP or income. ​ U.S. vs world The U.S. collected about 25–28% of GDP in total taxes in recent years, ranking around 31st–32nd out of 38 OECD countries and below the OECD average of roughly 34%–34%. ​ In 2023, the OECD average tax-to-GDP ratio was 33.9%; France was 43.8% and Denmark 43.4%, while the United States was 25.2%. ​ Conclusion: Federal plus state and local taxes combined are lower in the U.S. than in most OECD countries; therefore the claim that “Federal taxation in the US is higher than many parts of the world” is inaccurate in aggregate terms. ​ Composition nuance The U.S. relies more on personal and corporate income taxes and less on consumption taxes than most OECD peers, which can make some headline rates look high even though the overall tax take is low. ​ In 2021, taxes on income and profits were 48% of U.S. revenue vs 34% OECD average, while goods and services taxes were 17% in the U.S. vs 28% OECD average. ​ High‑tax U.S. states Estimates of “tax burden” (state and local taxes as a share of personal income) put the highest states around 10–12% of income (e.g., New York \~12%, Hawaii \~11–12%, Vermont \~11%). ​ These state burdens are not directly comparable to national tax-to-GDP ratios, but even adding them to federal taxes still leaves typical total U.S. burdens below most Western European countries’ 35–45% of GDP. ​ Bottom line on the claim “Federal taxation in the US is higher than many parts of the world”: False when comparing total tax levels; the U.S. is below most OECD countries on overall tax burden. ​ “Total taxation in some states is higher than most European countries”: False; top state burdens near \~10–12% of income are far below national European totals near 35–45% of GDP.

FeistyButthole

Right, that’s what MCED like Galleri have shown. The PATHFINDER Galleri shows “you can find it early”. The SYMPLYFY NHS Galleri shows “and the signal actually means cancer.” The RTC NHS Galleri trial will show indisputably if it improves the standard of care with the desired results. It’s meant for the 50-70 crowd.

Apprehensive_End8318

We know it, just saying you don't know what you're talking about. NI is a contribution towards NHS. Vehicle excise duty is not necessarily only going on roads and we know it. At least we don't stop paying government workers when you lot can't get your shit together eh.

Left-Associate3911

Yes that’s mostly down to how the UK Govt. taxes fuel - got to pay for unlimited welfare and ‘free’ NHS🤷‍♂️

Anteater_Able

Guess we should trust these two random redditors over companies and entities that partnered with Palantir such as... *checks notes* Amazon Web Services. Nvidia. Microsoft Azure. Oracle. Databricks. Snowflake. Booz Allen Hamilton. GDIT. Northrop Grumman. NHS England. BMW. Airbus. CVS. Ferrari. Oh, and Department of Defense Impact Level 6 (IL6) Provisional Authorization (PA). If only they'd all listened to boboshoes and coolelel they could've avoided the smoke and mirrors and been much better off, folks!

dukesb89

That is exactly what it is. The only difference is that they are so ingrained in defense that the product has evolved around that industry, with specialist analytics, predictive models etc, as well as privacy & compliance needed for highly sensitive data. No private sector company leaders or engineers with any kind of skill would consider Palantir when you can get basically the same thing from Databricks and others. If only makes sense if you are defense / government or have weak engineering capability that you need their consultants to do it all for you - see the UK NHS Federated Data Platform for example.

Leroy--Brown

Some partnerships with palantirs AIP and foundry have resulted in both increased revenue and operational cost savings. Notes below: Sompo Holdings, Inc.: This Japanese insurance group reported a $60 million improvement in profit over three years and projects an additional $100 million in the following three years using Palantir's technology. American Airlines: The airline has used Palantir's Foundry software for route optimization, resulting in tens of millions of dollars in realized efficiencies. General Mills: Using Palantir, the company is saving approximately $40,000 per day, which equates to about $14 million annually, by implementing the AI only within a portion of its network. Fujitsu: The technology company achieved an annual cost reduction of $9 million within just three months by combining Palantir Foundry with its own machine learning AI. CAZ Investments: By implementing AIP, this firm was able to process 100 times more leads with the same number of resources, reducing lead processing time by over 90%. United Airlines: The company saved millions of dollars in cost avoidance by using Palantir's Chime solution to avoid nearly 300 delays and 20 cancellations. Initial analyses from NHS England suggest the Federated Data Platform (FDP), powered by Palantir software, will yield approximately £780 million in benefits over seven years, which includes cost savings and other efficiencies. This is equivalent to a return of five times the program's initial cost. 

AndreLeGeant88

Sure it's cheaper, but ColoAlert is also inferior to Cologuard despite being newer. But the individual test cost isn't really that important. We are talking single payor systems or variations thereof. A stool based CRC test checks for one cancer the prevalence of which is not as high in Europe as in the US. The demand really isn't there. MCEDs will be deployed across whole patient populations and be able to check for many cancers at once. Any cancer except brain cancer is potentially detectable. Even if costs per test might be high, there are substantial cost savings from catching many cancers sooner, as well as happier constituents. This is why the NHS is desperate to support MCEDs and why Mainz is trading under $2.00 and why Cologuard hasn't expanded to Europe. 

AndreLeGeant88

To some degree I can. Exact has commercialized a multi-cancer early detection test using blood biopsy. Grail just announced the results of its prospective study for its MCED test. They are already running trials with the UK NHS. Europe is planning to adopt MCED early even if the false positive rate is a bit high. That puts downward pressure on stool based tests and other cancer detection products. MCED is more convenient, easier to roll out, and easier to incorporate into standard of care. Moreover, on the colorectal cancer side, there's limited European demand for anything better than FIT, hence why Exact isn't there. Mainz could fill that hole but for the fact that, as noted, the European preference is to jump right to MCED even if there's a 0.5% chance every test results in a false positive and an unnecessary PET CT. 

Green-Ad5007

I burned out with alcoholism and a number of other mental health issues. I eventually resigned from my job and I don't think I'm employable now. I am continually fatigued and I use my energy to focus on wellbeing, self-care and addiction recovery. For me, investing is simply managing a pot of money which forms part of my net worth, together with an apartment, a few other assets (including some gold coins yay!) and a modest private pension with a partial NHS pension. I have a few global ETFs mainly. The idea is that this gives better returns than a simple cash savings account. FWIW, since I resigned almost 2 years ago and stopped receiving a salary my net worth has increased by 8% despite spending around £40K on living expenses. I avoid crypto except a small holding of Strategy (a company that holds Bitcoin and reflects the price somewhat) in my SIPP private pension. This has more than doubled in value and I'll keep it for now, because it's interesting.

hayl4bulb

+ they're already operating in some NHS centres

hayl4bulb

I mean it's possible, but if they get early approval like it seems they could, they have enough cash to last until then. They're already selling to the NHS and the private US market would increase this market significantly, not to mention the other devices they're working on. A takeover is also possible which would likely be at a much higher price than current.

AbsoluteMadManPyscho

I believe it will be Yoti which is already used by NHS/Royal Mail but is a private holding

Recent_Impress_3618

Lots, Tesla, in my naivety sold when Musk said the share price was too expensive leading to a split. Palantir, sold when publicity was ramping re their role in Palestine negativity re NHS contract. Bought a heap of oil stocks during COVID lows and got impatient selling them all before the rotation. I have done extremely well from SOFI and I’m now battling the urge to take my gains.

Recent_Register_2952

Pakistani doctor in the NHS leaves in the middle of surgery to have sex with a nurse😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

superbikelifer

Please short it so you can add some liquidity to the pumps. A company like this has never existed and people are front running it as their results are incredible. You saying nobody understands is ridiculous. I understand and many companies get it too. Talking about masturbation... If you spent a couple hours watching what their clients are saying about their capabilities after onboarding and seeing 90% growth in us commerical rev instead of sitting in Mom's basement chocking the chicken maybe you would have bought a couple years ago too! Short it I dare you :) Airbus, nasa, American airlines, bp, us military, NATO, NHS, police, LEAR list goes on and on. But yea those mega corps are self indulging haha

SilentUntilBoom

🚨 Director just scooped 21,000 shares of Blink — while retail is running away 🚨 Everyone’s crying about Blink being -32% YTD, “cash burn,” “sell signal,” blah blah blah. Analysts are stamping Neutral on it like robots. But here’s what 99% are missing 👇 1️⃣ Insiders don’t buy dead money. Director Jack Levine just dropped $21,420 of his own cash on 21,000 shares. No options. No freebies. Pure stock. That’s not a trade, that’s conviction. He knows something retail doesn’t. 2️⃣ The timing screams bottoming signal. Market cap is barely $106M — Wall Street is treating Blink like it’s already dead. But insiders don’t load up in the coffin unless they believe the patient’s about to walk. 3️⃣ The chess moves are already on the board. Crypto payments across Blink’s network by 2025 = EV drivers + crypto = sticky ecosystem 🔑 NHS UK deal = government-backed credibility in Europe 🇬🇧 Nexxtlab partnership = smarter fleet management = recurring revenue 💡 Envoy obligation wiped = balance sheet cleanup ✅ 4️⃣ Retail is blind to the optionality. Yes, Blink burns cash. So did Amazon in 2000. So did Tesla in 2012. So did Netflix in 2008. The market prices them for death right before they flip the script. Today the stock is red. Analysts say “Neutral.” But insiders? They’re buying. 👉 Are you gonna sit on the sidelines again while the people closest to the company stack shares? Or are you going to act before the re-rate slaps retail in the face? Not financial advice, but when directors buy while retail sells… the writing’s on the wall. 📈 Ownership - ‪‪104.71 M‬‬ Free Float shares - ‪‪94.06 M‬‬ (89.83%) Closely held shares - 10.65 M‬‬ (10.17%) Retail let's own 65% Let's Go Hard on this one

SilentUntilBoom

🚨 Director just scooped 21,000 shares of Blink — while retail is running away 🚨 Everyone’s crying about Blink being -32% YTD, “cash burn,” “sell signal,” blah blah blah. Analysts are stamping Neutral on it like robots. But here’s what 99% are missing 👇 1️⃣ Insiders don’t buy dead money. Director Jack Levine just dropped $21,420 of his own cash on 21,000 shares. No options. No freebies. Pure stock. That’s not a trade, that’s conviction. He knows something retail doesn’t. 2️⃣ The timing screams bottoming signal. Market cap is barely $106M — Wall Street is treating Blink like it’s already dead. But insiders don’t load up in the coffin unless they believe the patient’s about to walk. 3️⃣ The chess moves are already on the board. Crypto payments across Blink’s network by 2025 = EV drivers + crypto = sticky ecosystem 🔑 NHS UK deal = government-backed credibility in Europe 🇬🇧 Nexxtlab partnership = smarter fleet management = recurring revenue 💡 Envoy obligation wiped = balance sheet cleanup ✅ 4️⃣ Retail is blind to the optionality. Yes, Blink burns cash. So did Amazon in 2000. So did Tesla in 2012. So did Netflix in 2008. The market prices them for death right before they flip the script. Today the stock is red. Analysts say “Neutral.” But insiders? They’re buying. 👉 Are you gonna sit on the sidelines again while the people closest to the company stack shares? Or are you going to act before the re-rate slaps retail in the face? Not financial advice, but when directors buy while retail sells… the writing’s on the wall. 📈 Ownership - ‪‪104.71 M‬‬ Free Float shares - ‪‪94.06 M‬‬ (89.83%) Closely held shares - 10.65 M‬‬ (10.17%) Retail let's own 65% Let's Go Hard on this one

SilentUntilBoom

🚨 Director just scooped 21,000 shares of Blink — while retail is running away 🚨 Everyone’s crying about Blink being -32% YTD, “cash burn,” “sell signal,” blah blah blah. Analysts are stamping Neutral on it like robots. But here’s what 99% are missing 👇 1️⃣ Insiders don’t buy dead money. Director Jack Levine just dropped $21,420 of his own cash on 21,000 shares. No options. No freebies. Pure stock. That’s not a trade, that’s conviction. He knows something retail doesn’t. 2️⃣ The timing screams bottoming signal. Market cap is barely $106M — Wall Street is treating Blink like it’s already dead. But insiders don’t load up in the coffin unless they believe the patient’s about to walk. 3️⃣ The chess moves are already on the board. Crypto payments across Blink’s network by 2025 = EV drivers + crypto = sticky ecosystem 🔑 NHS UK deal = government-backed credibility in Europe 🇬🇧 Nexxtlab partnership = smarter fleet management = recurring revenue 💡 Envoy obligation wiped = balance sheet cleanup ✅ 4️⃣ Retail is blind to the optionality. Yes, Blink burns cash. So did Amazon in 2000. So did Tesla in 2012. So did Netflix in 2008. The market prices them for death right before they flip the script. Today the stock is red. Analysts say “Neutral.” But insiders? They’re buying. 👉 Are you gonna sit on the sidelines again while the people closest to the company stack shares? Or are you going to act before the re-rate slaps retail in the face? Not financial advice, but when directors buy while retail sells… the writing’s on the wall. 📈 Ownership - ‪‪104.71 M‬‬ Free Float shares - ‪‪94.06 M‬‬ (89.83%) Closely held shares - 10.65 M‬‬ (10.17%) Retail let's own 65% Let's Go Hard on this one

xsx3482

Yeah, they would need to get pricing similar to US because of MNF clauses. Ultimately, I think NICE and NHS will give in to support a local company

Standard-Midnight957

Autolus is now in negotiation with NICE and NHS England to reach a final agreement that could allow eligible patients to access the treatment

Far_wide

No, you're right, was exactly what it said on the tin. That's why we're all so much richer and have that extra money for the NHS that we've saved. Not to mention the wide range of other benefits promised which have all totally materialised.

etaylormcp

Shkreli's expertise was hedge funds. He has a business degree and wouldn't understand the summary of an NHS pre pub if it landed on him. Thanks, I will look up Biotenics but Shkreli is a useless fraud. And I have been in the industry since before he was born so I have a little background from which to draw on.

glisteningoxygen

PANW giving me heart problems. Calls on NHS

SlfImpr

LLY ===> NVO [https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/15/business/eli-lilly-mounjaro-price-rises-uk](https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/15/business/eli-lilly-mounjaro-price-rises-uk) >Eli Lilly will significantly increase the price of its weight-loss drug Mounjaro in the United Kingdom in a bid to bring down prices in the United States after weeks of pressure from the Trump administration. >Eli Lilly [(LLY)](https://www.cnn.com/markets/stocks/LLY) confirmed that prices for Mounjaro accessed through the NHS, the UK’s public health service, would remain unchanged. Private suppliers will be able to negotiate with Eli Lilly in an attempt to gain discounts. >Following Eli Lilly’s announcement, Juniper, a private weight-loss clinic in the UK, [published a blog](https://www.myjuniper.co.uk/articles/mounjaro-price-increase-uk) offering Mounjaro patients **a pathway to switch to Wegovy**, a competing weight-loss jab manufactured by Danish group Novo Nordisk [(NVO)](https://www.cnn.com/markets/stocks/NVO).

Artistic-Variety5920

That reminds me of the time we clapped for the NHS in covid instead of giving them adequate PPE…

JewishPride07

Except that UK is a police state and Palantir runs their NHS, Ministry of Defence, and police surveillance network.

Head_Battle9531

The folks behind all this are people like Russ Vought (head of the office of budget management and primary author of project 2025) and Howard Lutnick (commerce secretary and former Cantor Fitzgerald which is the biggest supporter of the heritage foundation). They want an era of isolationism for the U.S. because they think this country can prosper with the right access to raw materials and straight labor. It’s why they are working on shutting down access to proper education, having Trump go on and on about acquiring Canada and Greenland which is partly for resources and accessibility but also as a buffer zone to the rest of the world. They have been convinced into thinking AI will figure out all the problems with Elon Musk (SpaceX/Starshield/Starlink/Grok) and Peter Thiel/Palantir. Palantir is what found Elon his adult and kids DOGE team which most people have forgotten is really USDS which has access to most federal agencies. Understand that the decision by Trump to fire the NSA chief and his deputy may be in fact be the most dangerous decision Trump has made so far. Timothy Haugh like his last 2 predecessors were restricting the access and control Peter Thiel had through his company Palantir over the CIA/NSA to commit domestic surveillance. Palantir who is now the biggest defense contractor for the CIA/NSA based on publicly available data on DOD contracts (they had $750 million added to their current contract a while back) along with providing day-to-day operations for both agencies. ⁠Palantir is contracted with state and local governments and police here in the U.S. The goal for Palantir is and always has been domestic surveillance. Palantir is an intelligence corporation which provides advanced analysis, sigint, osint, criminal and threat awareness and kill chain efficiencies to all levels of US, UK, and corporate agencies. Now comes the push for removing Trump from office. Elon was the early test to see if scapegoat mechanism would work and it sort of did for him. Which is sort of the plan, scapegoat mechanism at its finest. Peter is a ⁠key believer of scapegoat mechanism for which he says Trump fills that role. Thiel has been grooming JD Vance since 2011 as his benefactor and mentor, Thiel brought Vance to Mar-a- Lago to smooth over things with Trump so Vance could be VP, Thiel gave Vance $15 million in donations to run for Senate (the largest amount of money ever donated to a single Senate candidate ever) Scapegoat mechanism is simple that you have someone in power take on a lot of bad actions then remove them and so the masses feel it’s been all undone. The test case was Elon and DOGE which worked perfectly seeing as how all the federal investigations into Elon are gone and DOGE is still at all the federal agencies. Elon’s employee Amanda Scales still has the private server setup at OPM. All the data they got from the federal agencies and Treasury department when they had hard physical access is still under their control. In September when the gap fund bill signed in March expires along with the deferred resignation program kicking in and the SSA/IRS data being handed over to Palantir as part of the doge plan they have provided for updating the SSA system there could be a lot of reasons for him to be removed from office. Peter Thiel/Palantir just got what they wanted, access to a big enough database for the first step in complete surveillance. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/30/trump-citizenship-database Peter is also a major defense contractor for the UK intelligence community and army along with the major police forces in the UK. He branched out to their healthcare a few years ago with a contract to shift through all the data at NHS England which is done now so Kier announced that NHS England will be shutdown (not NHS). Peter through his company has full access to Norway’s government and civilian surveillance services. Peter/Palantir provides direct support for the IDF (Israel) in all their operations from Gaza to the West Bank to Iran. Thiel directly owns roughly 180 million publicly traded shares which 7%. His investment firm Rivendell 7 owns 34 million publicly traded shares. Other Thiel vehicles own 37 million shares. Thiel entities also own 32.5 million supervoting Class B shares in Palantir. Those class b shares carry 10 votes while public ones carry only 1 vote per share. Now here is the kicker for why he still controls Palantir (link below), Thiel has sole investment power over 335,000 class F shares as part of a trust that has 49.99% voting interest in the company. https://www.barrons.com/articles/palantir-stock-chairman-peter-thiel-b63415c7 Alex Karp the ceo of Palantir knew Thiel well before 2003 when Thiel tapped him to be ceo. Karp has condemned “woke” ways of thinking, calling woke a central risk to Palantir, that Palantir is a counter-example to companies he considers woke. Karp condemned pro-Palestine protests calling them an infection inside of our society, he remarked the peace activists are war activists and they should be sent to North Korea. Karp has said the west has a superior way of living and said he supports Palantir contract with ICE and using the software to enable separation of families. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/01/alex-karp-hill-summit-trump-00155571 Peter Thiel • ⁠born in West Germany, grew up and went to school in the city of Swakopmund in West South Africa, the city was notorious for its continued glorification of Nazism to a dad who was an engineer working on uranium which was in violation of international law • ⁠Partners with Elon Musk at PayPal, early investor in Facebook • ⁠self-proclaimed Christian nationalist, believes women right to vote is wrong, idolizes Curtis Yarvin and Yarvin’s philosophy on replacing democracy with authoritarianism all in Peter’s own book • ⁠Palantir after its creation in 2003 was bailed out partly by In-Q-Tel the CIA’s venture capital firm

Sad_Cheesecake9693

When I realised Palantir has it's claws in the NHS, I knew this company will print money forever

rotoboro

These takes are so silly and a good example of why you shouldn’t listen to Reddit when it comes to politicized stocks. Did PLTR similarly buy their way into the NHS? BP, Airbus, 3M, Google, Amazon, Citibank, and AIG?

Big-Finding2976

In the UK they're generally only prescribed on the NHS if you have diabetes. I think if you're obese they can be prescribed but only after you've been on a weight loss course and tried to lose weight by other methods, and a lot of people probably can't be bothered with that.

Left-Associate3911

You’re not wrong on the unchecked immigration to the UK. It defies common sense the nation is going broke, partly due to the unchecked funding of the NHS and in part also due to unlimited lifelong welfare; and yet they’re spending billions of GBP to support those entering the country illegally in hotels, hostels and allowing them to access public services at an ever growing rate. And if this wasn’t enough, they quite literally have no effective way to check who is using what public services which are, at the end of the day, funded by the tax payer. Only last week the Govt. tried to make savings by cutting welfare (rather than raise taxes) but the Govt. was defeated by its own members(!) It’s utter madness that those on welfare don’t want to sacrifice and the burden is shifting entirely onto the shoulders of the dwindling minority of tax payers - who incidentally are paying tax at historically high levels. And they wonder why their productivity is stagnant over the last 30 years.

rbraalih

I am a multimillionaire in your comedy currency, my health cover does not depend on my having a job, and UK surgeons without exception work both for the NHS and privately. It's a common misconception among foreigners trying to sound more sophisticated than they are that state medicine is inferior to private Plus, I am rich. If I want private medical care I pay for it out of pocket.

Laluci

Palantir is a new type of a company that people don't really understand. People didn't understand the world wide web, emails, messaging and other things when they were created but here we are. If pltr was just an evil company with no use to the private sector they wouldn't be making deals and partnerships with all types of massive companies like Oracle, Google, Amazon and many more. You can search for yourself who they are currently creating partnerships with. They have a new partnership on a daily basis. Even the NHS used them during COVID to make sense of the data they collected... Which I would say was "good use". And no, PLTR doesn't collect data. Other platforms that collect data upload that data into their software and pltr spits out solutions and makes sense of the data. You can see videos on YouTube on how it can be used. There's even a video on how NFL teams can use it. The platform is all about efficiency and solutions. I'm an investor still holding a good amount of shares and I don't understand all the hate they get. Redditors love to crap on this company because they're afraid of the "deep state" but private data has been collected since forever. If you hate it, get rid of your phones and pretty much any technology that you use. I think pltr is a trillion dollar company in the making. I'm personally not gonna miss out because some redditors have seen too many sci-fi movies!

CulturalAd4117

In the UK a professional in consulting (engineering or environmental) for example won't be earning over 50k until their 30s and that's only if they aggressively chase the bag with promotions and job hopping. Obviously healthcare in America is cooked but it's not like it actually works in the UK, the NHS is mostly useless unless you're carted in with bits falling off you. The only area where we're significantly better is paid time off and sick pay/parental leave. 

These_Muscle_8988

with triple the taxes BUT HEALTHCARE IS FREE yeah if you mean being on the waiting list on the NHS for 2+ years for s simple surgery

coolercoats

Your being sold a mental dream but not experiencing the reality. We are on the north eastern coast south of the Scottish border. We earn so much less than a London wage but live a very comfortable life. Our food is unadulterated, NHS care, excellent schools, several holidays a year, self employment, clean air, blue flag beaches. All these things are possible because of our campaigning & protesting throughout the decades before. We are being threatened with the same greedy opposition governments that will sell us all of as Trump has and we the people will again take to the streets, social media and boycott to maintain our democracy and freedoms.

Kachowxboxdad

Posted 5 hours ago: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/uk-ai-vision/ “And cloud provider Nebius is continuing the region’s momentum with the launch of its first AI factory in the U.K. It announced it’s bringing 4,000 NVIDIA Blackwell GPUs online, making available scalable, high-performance AI capacity at home in the U.K. — to power U.K. research, academia and public services, including the NHS.”

dynamicsoul

Solvonis Therapeutics (LON:SVNS) is making headlines for all the right reasons — and their flagship addiction treatment, SVN-001, could soon become one of the most important breakthroughs in mental health. With the potential to transform the lives of millions battling alcohol use disorder, this revolutionary program is now in fully funded Phase III trials — the final step before potential market approval — and the data so far is nothing short of astonishing. SVN-001 isn’t just another treatment — it’s redefining what success looks like in addiction recovery. In Phase II trials, patients entered the program averaging just 2% sobriety — roughly seven sober days a year. After treatment, that number rocketed to 86% sobriety at six months post-treatment. That’s not incremental improvement — that’s life-changing transformation. Even more remarkable is how efficiently Solvonis is executing. The Phase III trial is being conducted in partnership with the UK Department of Health, supported by NHS addiction specialists, and being run at a cost of just £800,000 — a figure virtually unheard of in the biopharma world. With national health backing, this isn’t just a trial — it’s a potential blueprint for the UK’s future in addiction care.

lexi_con

Global economic growth is set to be slower this year largely because of Donald Trump's US tariffs, according to a leading international policy group. Worldwide growth is now expected to slow to a "modest" 2.9%, down from a previous forecast of 3.1%, said the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). It blamed a "significant" rise in trade barriers and warned that "weakened economic prospects will be felt around the world, with almost no exception". That will include the UK, the OECD said, as it trimmed the country's growth forecasts. But it added Britain was facing its own challenges and should consider raising tax revenues as a means of "strengthening the public finances". Since the US president returned to the White House, a long list of countries have been targeted by tariffs, but Trump's unpredictable approach to implementing the measures has created widespread uncertainty. "We are forecasting basically a downgrade for almost everybody," Alvaro Pereira, the OECD's chief economist told the BBC. "We'll have a lot less growth and job creation than we had forecasted in the past." The group also slashed the outlook for the US economy this year from 2.2% to 1.6% and predicted growth would slow again in 2026. It warned that the US was at risk from rising inflation, something that Trump repeatedly promised would fall during his presidential campaign. Prior to the release of the OECD report on Tuesday, Trump wrote on social media: "Because of Tariffs, our Economy is BOOMING!" However, the most recent official data showed the US economy shrank at an annual rate of 0.2% in the first three months of this year, the first contraction since 2022. Meanwhile, the OECD trimmed its expectations for UK growth this year to 1.3% from the 1.4% it had predicted in March. It also forecast the UK economy would expand by 1% in 2026, compared to the 1.2% it pencilled in a few months ago. The OECD said UK growth would be "dampened by heightened trade tensions" as well as "elevated uncertainty". But the group said the Britain had other issues, in particular substantial government debt interest payments and a "very thin" financial buffer. In March, Chancellor Rachel Reeves was forced to announce £14bn in measures, including £4.8bn in welfare cuts, to restore headroom against her self-imposed fiscal rules. While the OECD highlighted better-than-expected UK economic growth, which strengthened to 0.7% between January and March, the cautioned that "momentum is weakening" due to "deteriorating" business sentiment. It suggested that Reeves should raise tax revenues, including by closing loopholes and by re-evaluating council tax bands based on updated property values. Under the current system, council tax in England is calculated based on the price the property would have sold for in April 1991. For Wales, it is evaluated on property prices in April 2003. Next week, Reeves will set out her Spending Review where she faces tough choices on allocating departmental budgets. The OECD said: "Strengthening the public finances remains a priority, by delivering on the government's ambitious fiscal plans, including through the upcoming Spending Review." The government has already committed billions of pounds to defence, while the NHS is also expected to be a focus amid Labour's pledge to reduce waiting lists.

shicken684

I always love when this argument pops up. It's just flat out wrong in every single regard. Of course if we didn't change the funding Medicare would go bankrupt. But if all you did was take what the average person spends on premiums and give it to Medicare there would be more than enough. Also, who says we can't increase what providers would get? Private health care industry is stealing from us. They're a cancer that needs to be cut out before it kills us all. Then to all your points about the NHS and Canada killing people. That's been a bullshit line from conservatives and healthcare billionaires for decades. You can find a few cherry picked instances to point to but as a whole it simply doesn't happen. And, even if it did, the American healthcare system kills WAY more people because of bullshit fees and profit taking.

tom_kington

Countries are not operating just one big bank account. The UK Government (NHS) pays for medication, private companies sell things to the USA. Different people These guys are morons

Scorpi0n92

"I’ve been watching Palantir for months..." Translation: I sat on the sidelines, didn’t buy, watched it 3x, and now I’m rage-Googling every bad headline I can find to justify my salt. This isn’t analysis, it’s cope in a trench coat. “Palantir isn’t some AI juggernaut - it’s a consultancy firm with a UI…” Yes, because clearly, the U.S. Army is dying to buy PowerPoint decks with dark mode. Meanwhile, the same author thinks OpenAI is a nonprofit and ChatGPT is sentient. “They didn’t develop LLMs. They don’t own any foundational IP in AI.” And yet here we are.. Palantir actually productized LLMs into something useful for Fortune 500s and federal defense. You know what else doesn’t develop foundational AI models? Literally every enterprise SaaS company right now. But sure, let’s punish them for being a middleware layer that works. “The NHS contract was a bribe!” Ah yes, first-time reader of capitalism. Welcome. Did you think Microsoft got into government contracts through bake sales? “DoD contracts are provisional!” Because the Pentagon is known for firm, lifetime guarantees in the startup space? No one’s saying it’s a recurring Netflix subscription. It’s defense procurement. It’s supposed to be conditional, Also: name one AI company with more battlefield deployments??. I’ll wait. “Stock-based comp is too high!” Oh no! Tech company pays its staff in stock! Somebody alert literally every investor in the Nasdaq. Yes, stock-based comp is high, because it's how you retain talent when your company’s not mining lithium or selling sugar water. You clearly never worked in hyper growth startups. “Insiders are selling!” ..... Again the same bollocks. “500x forward P/E!” Are u Warren Buffett of investing? You don't even probably know what's the average across the industry. Palantir is not WeWork with AI. It’s not perfect, but it’s also not renting kombucha taps in a glass box and calling it disruption, right?

Goldwind444

Here is more talk on NHS hospitals denying to use Palantir [https://democracyforsale.substack.com/p/palantirs-nhs-data-platform-rejected-hospitals](https://democracyforsale.substack.com/p/palantirs-nhs-data-platform-rejected-hospitals)

SN715622917X

Where do I start? The NHS has become a desaster after the conservatives took over. It was a stellar example of efficient quality healthcare before that. Public healthcare is not "free", people pay for it. It distributes the burden evenly and is an absolute whale when it comes to negotiating prices. If there is no political bullshit undermining it, on average people get way more out of it than they would from a private company, which defines itself through profits not quality of care. "In reality healthcare is a scarce good that has to be rationed in some way." Lolwhat? And here I thought you were someone who believed in the power of the markets. Or eliminiating scarcity by paying the workers enough. "If United Healthcare approved every request for healthcare, no one would want to buy their policies because they would be prohibitively expensive." Because when you're selling healthcare insurance, the first thing to cut cost on would be healthcare. How much money is spent on minimizing actual product cost? Pretty sure they did the math and decided a bunch of pencil pushers and reputation management are cheaper than paying for stellar care. But imagine they would pay what they can, rather than balancing care cost vs care suppression cost? Medidate on that.

Arathaon185

I'm English yeah and they really want to sell of the profitable bits of the NHS and get us on an American style health insurance plan. Lots and lots of money being poured into the Remain party to make it happen.

ctulhus-pink-hat

Are you British? Insurance-based systems can work in countries where government across the board has a level of commitment to providing quality services to the public, e.g. France. In a country where half the politicans are still sucking on Thatcher's teet and love selling government contracts at cost to their pals? Expect a shitty version like America's. The idea that the NHS is expensive is a myth - it's one of the cheapest-run per capita in the developed world. In 2010 it ranked 1st in the world in both cost-efficiency and patient satisfaction before you know who got in. You know what the most expensive healthcare system in the world is? America's. It's costs almost twice as much per capita as other developed nations. Apologies if you're not British, just ignore this

Street_Pipe_6238

If you would something with equal quallity to NHS just buy WOLF

mondeomantotherescue

Yup, the NHS might have its issues in the UK, but we have ZERO medical bankruptcy, folk aren't tied to jobs because of insurance, and people seek treatment early / aren't scared of bills - better for society, and their employer.

rbraalih

Hahaha, dead of being fat is still dead English, easily rich enough to pay for any medical procedure but why bother when the NHS works just fine. And would do even if I lost my job and my wife.

Jo-Wolfe

NHS England insulin and contraception prescriptions are free of charge 95% of prescriptions are exempt categories The remaining 5% of prescriptions are fixed at $12.45 per item or 1 year unlimited $143.99 NHS England Pharma spend $24 billion (population 57 million) - Pro rata for US population would be $144 billion - Actual US spend $722 billion, $598 billion extra profit, $1,700 extra profit out of every man, woman and child

Big-Profit-1612

Per Google: "In a recent survey, 56% of Canadians expressed satisfaction with their provincial healthcare system, a significant increase from the 48% reported in 2024. While most Canadians support universal healthcare, some express dissatisfaction with the system's current state, particularly regarding access and wait times." "In 2024, 21% of British adults reported being very or quite satisfied with the way the NHS runs, the lowest level of satisfaction since the British Social Attitudes survey began in 1983. This is a significant drop from 60% in 2019." Personally, I think my health care is pretty awesome. My point is, half the country is happy with the status quo and aren't incentivized to do anything about it.

-boatsNhoes

To chime in as someone with over a decade experience from within the NHS. The nhs' problem isn't health tourism, it's nepotism/ cronyism and over management(if you can call it that) . The budget is killed by creating positions for people that literally don't need to be there and having 4 managers instead of 1. The kicker is the managers they hire aren't even trained in the roles they're supposed to manage, or are so far out of date in the role they have no clue. The budget cuts almost exclusively impact shop floor staff ( nurses, HCAs and now doctors) and hardly ever cut management positions. Managers usually get paid more than salaried doctors and executives rotate between hospitals after being sacked and getting massive severance payouts for doing a shit job. Anecdotally a friend of mine has a brother in law who is a c suite manager. Guy gets 2-3 year contracts to improve the hospital/ trust he works at. 12-18 months in he does such a shit job they sack him, but his contract stipulates a £200k -250k payout upon firing.... He has done this 5 times in the last decade or so and routinely brags about it. Next time you're at your local hospital take a look at the staff car park.it is more likely everyone driving that new Jag or Merc isn't a doctor... It's management. All at the expense of longer wait times, poorer standards of care, stressed staff such as nurse and doctors and healthcare assistants, massive understaffing, and now - lack of available training posts for doctors due to budget cuts. Doctors like myself are leaving, nurses are being replaced with whomever will work for less, HCAs are overworked and underpaid, and everyone who has contact with patients from the cook to the cleaner are tremendously underappreciated and overworked for peanuts. I have gone so far as to try to get budget reports and financial reports from my trust to dig deeper into this topic and am always met with " you can't have this info". When I say " you are a public trust which is funded by taxpayers money and it is my right to see these reports" I get some snarky backfire answers and get accused of being rude with the window shut in my face.bibhave dig deeper into the how budgets are organised for a given trust and ohh boy. Let me tell you this.... Your local GPs have more power on trust budget meetings than hospital doctors.... That's why many of them are minted. Oh and your tax money also pays for the rent in the buildings the GPs own because they "rent them to the trust" for the GP to carry out his own business in.... Usually to the tune of tends of thousands of pounds a month in larger cities. I believe in Birmingham my colleague told me 50k a month for one GP surgery.... That's not including what the trust pays for the services rendered -b50k monthly for just rent. Tldr: the NHS has too many managers that siphon funds away are engaged in crony/nepotistic hiring practices to get their family and friends set up on the government tenet while firing or mis managing actual healthcare staff. Doctors and nurses are never involved in budget meetings and high level decisions.

No_Software3435

We don’t get away with anything as you put it, but the size of the NHS in the U.K. and it being the single provider gives us enormous buying power. It was Republicans who brought in some kind of bill in 2006 that was detrimental to drug prices. I can’t remember the details.

JDVANCEKILLEDTHEPOPE

Medical tourism isn't the problem many think it is. It was one of the spurious political footballs kicked about during Brexit by the Leave campaign. While it exists, illegal immigrants or people from neighbouring countries coming to the UK, solely for the purpose of throwing themselves on the mercy of the British NHS, using the largest numbers put forward by Brexiteers, accounts for 0.3% of the total NHS budget. Since Brexit medical tourists have been asked to pay for their treatment to try and recoup some of this money. In the case of pregnant women, the birth of their child would cost them £9000. Emergency care is not expected to be paid for upfront but in some cases recouping the price of treatment at 150% of cost is required. Negotiating the sale of drugs on a population scale has been repeatedly shown to be beneficial to both the pharmaceutical industry and the populace. Nationalised health care is not without its problems but in comparison to a fully privatised system it is vastly superior in myriad ways.

Same_Shite_New_Day

I was listening to an economist talking about the US and UK healthcare systems. One of the things they said was prices are so high in the US because each hospital, or group of hospitals, buys their drugs individually. They're buying a relatively small amount of drugs and the cost is passed on to the insurance so there is no incentive to negotiate a better price. When a drug is passed for use on the NHS then they are buying drugs for a whole country and there is a lot more leverage for negotiation because of the amount they are buying.

BristolShambler

This is the big one. The UKs NHS is one of the largest single purchasers of medicines in the world, so it can negotiate good prices.

omg_cats

> use their leverage Sort of. NHS, for example, covers basically 100% of their population: 67 million people. CVS Caremark on the other hand, covers about 100 million people. Express Scripts is the 2nd largest at 84 million - the US market is massive and in theory even the top 2 PBMs working together would have Pfizer and everyone else under their thumb. Problem is, they make money when prices are high, the higher the better. Until that perverse incentive is gone, it doesn’t matter if the US has 1 or 100 PBMs, prices are staying high. TLDR: removing the profit motive is the only way to get good medicine prices

LoFiMiFi

Can you imagine if the US had a NHS and Trump and Doge were in control? The healthcare fuckery in this country is enough, but it’s why I lean towards heavy handed regulation and not a public option.

kphil0177

It’s because other countries have universal healthcare/single payer systems, example: NHS, so prices have to be negotiated if you want to be in their market. This was attempted during Trump 1.0 and the drug companies took it to court.

PaleMaleAndStale

Are these what you believe to be accurate figures? I.e do you actually believe US customers can pay 1000x for drugs over what the UK pays, or are you just exaggerating for effect? Genuine question. We pay £9.90 (roughly 13 USD) per item, with cheaper options for multiple items. Oh, that's in England. In the rest of the UK prescriptions are free. Those prices are not so low though because the pharma companies are forced to sell at that price. It's because our National Health Service (NHS) covers the rest of the cost, though we do ultimately pay for the NHS collectively through our taxes. It's not a perfect system but it at least means we don't have people going bankrupt because they get sick, or dying because they can't afford treatment. I find it really sad that so many Americans have been brainwashed into believing this is akin to extreme socialism, a word they also don't seem to really understand. (Many) Americans would serve themselves well by sometimes questioning what they're told rather than just blindly believing that America's brand of capitalism is perfect and any other country's system is bad, or even evil. In the UK we have healthcare free at the point of use, rights/protections for employees (mandatory paid holidays, maternity/paternity leave, redundancy pay entitlements, unfair dismissal laws etc), we have a fairly generous benefits system for those unable to fully support themselves and a state pension. We somehow manage all this without having descended into some dystopian Marxist nightmare. The rest of western Europe is not too different. The USA has a significantly higher GDP per capita than us, and most other countries. There is no reason ordinary Americans couldn't have all those things too, probably better and more besides. The only thing stopping that is the stubborn refusal by too many to question the bullshit the elite, who benefit disproportionately from the American system, have been feeding you for generations. It's not China, the EU, NATO or the penguins that are ripping you off, the real culprits are much closer to home.

Defiant_Employee6681

If you had a healthcare system like the NHS, then yes, there is huge buying power. However, the US has a system where each insurance company is trying to make deals with drug companies and they just aren’t that big a customer.

7148675309

The other side of the coin is other countries paying more. Whether that actually happens - who knows. They could end up buying less - countries will need to do their own cost benefit analyses. Certainly with the NHS in the UK - some drugs that are very expensive aren’t used because of the expense.

mondeomantotherescue

How does this work, because the NHS gets a great price for drugs because it buys in bulk for the nation. With a fragmented system, I can't see how it can be done for the USA ?

Arbable

I have epilepsy all my drugs are free in the UK. But I was in India a while and needed to buy some, I figured hey I'll save the NHS some money and buy a year's supply of generic indian drugs. It cost me 50 dollars.

ChairmanCorgi_

Many years ago, there was a series in the Wall Street Journal about this. Medicare is not allowed to negotiate, at least not to the same extent as the governments of other countries. Which means essentially that Medicare would be charged more than say, the NHS, and thus is effectively subsidizing pharmaceuticals for the rest of the world. This obviously doesn't make sense and is not fair. I have heard people talking about Trump doing this in his first term and I was kind of disappointed that he never did. Obviously he exaggerates so, when he says a decrease of 30 to 80%, he probably means 10 to 20. But still probably good news for Americans, especially the elderly.

Bilbo_Butthole

BREAKING NEWS 🚨🚨: per the NHS, tariffs imposed on China will decrease from 144% to 143%. Victory

CommonSenseAgent

How do you determine no international growth, when the NHS in Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland are giving them contracts? I think you will be posting Loss Porn very soon.

AnonymousTimewaster

From the perspective as someone in the UK, I think it's just worth mentioning that British people absolutely don't want American food anyway specifically because of the poor standards. "Chlorinated chicken" and "hormone injected beef" are extremely unpopular and frequently make the headlines over here as poster-boys for the worse standards. The concern from our side was that we'd have to accept lower food standards and or (even worse) sell off or open parts of the NHS. We don't particularly trade much with the US but the main exports are aerospace, car manufacturing, and pharmaceuticals. Everything else is basically secondary. The main benefit was really to our engineering industry as the 25% would have genuinely crippled a huge amount of small businesses. There's was nothing particularly gained

AnonymousTimewaster

I get where you're coming from, and I agree that the US system is brutal for the poorest of you. But let’s not pretend Europeans are living some luxurious, state-funded dream while Americans suffer for it. In the UK, wages have been stagnant since 2008. Most of us (over 80%) will never pay off our student loans. Over a third of us are overqualified for our jobs. House sizes are literally less than half the size of the average American home (about 800 square feet). We just don’t have the same personal wealth, savings, or consumer power. You think we’re all coasting? Most people here are just about getting by even if they're working in a nominally good job. Waitresses in the US often take home more in tips than qualified nurses earn here after tax. A newly trained nurse in the NHS starts on around £28k while the median earnings for a waitress is $31-50k with an average cost of living that's lower. Teachers also start on about £28k. Many people are just flat out stuck on minimum wage at about £24k and this is very much expected for graduates. Yes, we have the NHS, and yes, we get an extra week or two off. But we pay for that with high taxes, slow (and failing) public services, and no real upward mobility unless you already come from money. There is no thriving middle class here. You're either clinging on or part of the old aristocracy. There’s very little in-between. As for NATO and military spending, no one asked the US to take on global policing. That served America’s own strategic interests. It gave you global power, not just some warm glow from protecting allies. So the idea that we owe you some eternal gratitude while your politicians slap tariffs on us and mock us on directly to our faces and tell us to be thankful on live TV doesn’t really land anymore. Honestly, what’s driving a lot of this anger now is just the disrespectful attitude. The exceptionalism. The smug “we saved you” rhetoric. The complete ignorance about the rest of the world. How many Americans could even point to Spain on a map? And yet they’re out here calling Europe backwards and weak.

Consistent-Chapter-8

Before Trump's second term tariff-palooza, Brexit Britain could be considered the only Western nation to deliberately impose trade barriers upon itself. One of the justifications for Brexit was to give the "savings" to the NHS. Which never materialized. This predictably over hyped trade deal being labelled as "New Market Access" is ridiculous on its face. Meanwhile, while Britain's had the NHS since 1948, the U.S. is the only Western nation to lack Universal Healthcare. Sigh.

shadowpawn

England’s NHS is now ours! #winning