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iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF
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+TLT -selling near term OTM covered calls for steady income - good strategy?
On what timeframe does the bond market price interest rate changes in?
What do you guys think? SQQQ and TLT?
Inherited a bit of money, any good advice?
Thoughts on buying TLT now that JPow said rate cuts are on the table?
Risk free and guaranteed high return investment?
TLT Options Play / FED Cut Early Mid 24? / Vix Low
Is it the right time to invest in long-term bonds?
Is there a way to realize gains in one stock and move those realized gains into another stock without being taxed?
Investing in a treasury bond ETF a good idea? Please advise and don't make me talk to boomers at r/bonds
Why long-duration, low-coupon treasury bonds are about to return 25%
Why would a long term investor buy stocks rather than long term bonds, currently?
Potential 6 Month Trade on TLT Targeting >14% Annualized Return
what's the point of tlt if it's just as volatile as stocks
TLT covered call(buy-write) will yield around 14%. Is this a good place to park money I won't need for 3 years?
I made a free theta gang options group. Trying to build a community of non degenerates
Just made a 10K loan to gamble in bonds
Oil Tanker Stock Investors vs TLT Bag Holders
Powell will Powell the Economy + Bond ETFs for 🏳️🌈 🐻
Powell will Powell the Economy + Why I'm buying TLT as a 🏳️🌈 🐻
how to maximize Exposure to interest rate movements with bonds ?
Rates are not high and the market is not crashing especially when Apple is still near ATH and not $120.
Generational buying opportunity on TLT
How Do Bond ETFs Work, and What Happens to the Principal at Maturity
Why is the yield and SEC 30 day yield of TLT so different? Which one tells you the annualized rate of the next dividend?
Find most correlated stock to TLT (treasury bond)
10Y Bonds at 4.8% Are Attractive,Especially Now
What if WSB could ignite the spark that sends $TLT parabolic?
Expected moves this week: SPY, QQQ, TLT, USO and earnings from Citi, JP Morgan, Wells and more.
With the sky high Bond Yields would it be a good idea to buy US Treasury Bond ETFs right now?
$70k Puts QQQ: The World Will Burn Edition
Is it finally, finally, finally time for TLT / long dated treasuries?
Are TLT Leaps so cheap they are worth it?
30 year US treasury yield is much better than TLT which has avg maturity of 25 years
Considering Long Duration Bonds as an Opportunity
Is TLT Hitting its Bottom? My Play for the Upcoming Rebound.
Putted 20k in bonds and down -20%
Looking for a Simple Backtest Analysis to Do. Any Ideas?
Wall Street Newsletter S03E02: Four Research papers from Jackson Hole Symposium 2023.
How to get rid of my trading habit to invest properly! Fear of losing the money!!
Doesn’t need to make sense needs to make money
Boomers Getting Flushed With Their "Balanced" Portfolios
Why is TLT still falling despite disinflation, looming recession fears and China deflation (exporting it to RoW).
Wall Street Week Ahead for the trading week beginning August 14th, 2023
Increasing order of risk. IEI < HYG < JNK < TLT 😂
Just sold all my VOO and QQQ to put 90% in TLT and 10% in Bitcoin. Am I dumb?
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Ok. Ramp in hedges as your portfolio grows. KMLM, TLT, GLD. Then, when you approach your target; start siphoning high risk plays and leverage into VOO. My number is 2M an here’s how I’ll be allocated when I hit that: 5% speculative, 15% leveraged SPY (UPRO or similar), 50% hedge (TLT, KMLM, GLD, Cash, and 30% VOO.
TLT down 0.69% today….long term yields going up. I’m curious to see what the treasury market does….if short term rates dump, and inflation expectations go up, that means long term rates go up. If deflationary death spiral then long term rates go down. If we money print our way to victory the feds will force long term yields to go down by mass purchasing LTT and force Americans to pay via inflation; their chosen poison pill
TLT might pop if jobs data comes in weak.
Port update: long IBIT, MSFT, NVDA, GOOG; short SLV, GLD, TLT
Congrats Boys. Unless you are posting from a psych ward, prison, the afterlife. You survived another holiday alone. I am proud of you. Everything is temporary. This too shall pass. Positions: TSLA, TLT, SPY
Everyone here is a gangsta MF warren buffet investing and trading god. Just because you got the knowledge now means squat shit. Everyone gangsta now when the markets and economy keep booming for the past 10 years. Even during the pandemic, everything still went up in the shortest time in the history of the stock markets. 99.9% compare knowledge about some generic ETF DCA weight average mumbo jumbo with FAs. What you are paying for is not for the FAs knowledge ffs. Most FAs probably know less than the average reddit user here. You are paying for two things: 1) Experience - It takes a certain set of skills and experience to be able to properly set up a portfolio for each individual and family. You have to piece together everything from investments, insurances, cash flow planning and even trust nominations. 2) Time - I am sure you can cook instant noodles, eggs and other stuff for sustenance, but do you really want to do it everyday? When you pay a FA, make sure your time is better spent elsewhere that is important in your life. Ultimately, no one fucking knows where the market is headed to tomorrow, next month, next year or the next decade. Sure you can make some trend recognition, but NO ONE knows. All you can hope for is that you catch the right wave. Be clear in what you are paying for with a FA. The knowledge to trade and investing can be learnt in a week, but when the shit hits the fan, you did wish that bought some puts or TLT ( just an example, chill guys )
Today was solid. Rode the TLT dump to the bottom, flipped my puts into calls and bought another share. Once it got to above 90.50, reloaded my protective puts. I rolled my silver calls for additional money, added some puts near the top for additional protection. Am continuing to harvest theta for slow but steady gains.
Yes, I am aware of FED control, but TLT provides monthly 0.33 dividend and has growth when stocks are coming down. Still this is winning path while stocks drawing down.
This is correct, Bond is the way to go. BTW: Bagholder of TLT/TMF - biased, but I will make money like I did in Jan-Apr 2025 simply 27% return from TMF alone !
Welp, I got greedy with TLT. I will see how it holds tomorrow, and decide whether to roll my puts or my calls. Silver continues to print.
The thing that really turned the tide in the latter half of 2023 was Yellen changed the way she was funding bills after rates spent the better part of 3 months zooming higher. It really pantsed people and yes, it mattered even though policy rate stayed stagnant until September last year. But what's also worth noting is that the QQQ/TLT correlation in regards to inflation concerns failed after regional bank fest occurred in early 2023. It only started working again in that stretch as that rate move was too quick (big rate movements on both sides can be an issue), and it generally hasn't worked well for a while. There are occasional signs of it working again over the past few months, but it's not at a point where it's usable...if the Nasdaq has topped, it's on OpenAI concerns instead of macro fundie concerns (rates).
Glad I bought the dip for TLT last week. Funny how quickly the rate cut narrative flips.
If the fed is going to implement a yield curve control you should go long TLT or IEF before it's priced in. (It's getting priced in...)
If you think nominal rates are going to drop then you want to be long TLT…
True wall street boy you are! If you short TLT and buy SPY calls Jan 2026, easy way to blow your account !! Good luck !!!
I completely understand any long term bull that waited until Thursday or Friday to BTD on $QQQ when it pulled back to its 100 DMA. That was waiting to BTD if you are bullish. But these gamblers like that guy that likes things rammed up his ass that proclaims buying every ant sized 1% dip are going to get slaughtered. To be clear here, shorting $QQQ and $NVDA makes up less than 20% of my port. This is a trade, not a bearish buy & hold forever. I hold 2x more of each cash, gold & $TLT than my current short ETF trade positions.
SPY up TLT up DXY up JNK up Perfectly normal!
global index, emerging markets, healthcare and TLT
I humbly suggest with Thanksgiving coming, call someone who has no family, or has had a loss. To say hey I was thinking of you. I am not saying invite them. I am saying a lot of people have no one to check on them. check on people is good thing. Positions: TSLA, TLT, SPY Be safe. Hydrate. Don't get arrested.
Watching TLT creep up, now pricing the odds of a rate cut at 75%. From 28% last week, this is wild. Still working to accumulate.
I miss the records/poster store in Bergenfield. Positions TSLA, NET and TLT, yes I am old as dirt.
I like the way you think but Wall Street just doesn’t give enough of a F about that stuff. Good point about TLT though, I’m holding a bit.
It was a real ride but very educational. NVDA had the best quarter they've ever had, maybe better than anybody has ever had, and the market finished down on high volume. Look at TIP, TLT, PG, and KO, though-- they were slightly up as big tech got smashed. Treasuries and boring dividend payers. This market wants to go down.
FYI the government job report was for September and its 50/50 at best, private data from ADP for October released weeks ago wasn’t that great either. If you get market crash vibes at SPX shavin’ off 1.5pp, consider TLT or smth idk Expected positive news > sell offs due to take profits. I’m pretty sure it was already mentioned but I’ll repeat for just in case. Good luck hunting out there
And yet TLT is up, which pretty much disproves your theory. I don't know why markets tanked, but it wasn't nvidia, or jobs, or fed rate cuts. My best guess is it was Trump threatening to kill democrats... which comes on top of him telling a reporter "quiet piggy" and sitting next to MBS (who chopped up a journalist) and referring to him as a great guy. **I think the market is starting to price in the 25th Amendment being used.** The markets tanked right when that story broke. It's the only thing that correlates.
That is my intention. If you are interested "watch See TLT and TMF where it goes before Jan 26, 2026" Otherwise, ignore this as noise. Good Luck!
Why short the market, better to go for BOND ETFs like TLT or VGLT or SPTL BTW: Holding only TLT in my retirement accounts and TMF in Roth Accounts until the market turmoil over ! Will cash out around Jan 26, 2026 and move to QQQ & TQQQ. See TLT and TMF where it goes before Jan 26, 2026. RemindMe! Jan 28, 2026 FOMC meeting !
Once the $SPY reaches its 200 DMA I start to add. Until then I will continue to trade the $SQQQ and short Scam Altman's fave stocks with inverse ETF's. I did add a bit to $TLT this week. J-Pow will be forced to cut interest rates in December. The Fed always cuts with rising unemployment and a tanking stock market.
> VIX is more than 20 That only applies to S&P 500 index funds. The value of VIX has no bearing on GLD, or TLT, or VNQ, or KWEB, and many other ETFs you can trade options on. > Delta between 0.80 and 0.95 I wouldn't use "between." Something in the neighborhood of 80 delta, but more importantly, whatever delta has the leverage factor you are looking for. Like if you are trying to get 4x leverage on some ETF that is $100/share, you're going to want to pay something around $25/share in premium. That might be 90 delta or that might be 75 delta, depending. If it's 75 delta, that means you are getting 4x leverage on a position that is equivalent to 75 shares. Since that trade meets all your criteria, you shouldn't ignore it just because it's below 80 delta. > Go deep ITM That's already covered by the delta target. In the neighborhood of 80 delta is always deep ITM, by definition. So you can omit this rule. > Expiration date: at least 1 year I don't know why that matters. If you find the perfect trade that is only 11 months to expiration, are you going to ignore it? It's more important to pay for an expiration you can afford and that also gives your trade enough runway to reach its profit target. Hard-and-fast arbitrary rules like "> 1 year" are silly. > Liquidity: highly liquid stocks or ETFs. This allow you to easily enter and exit. To be clear, it's not the liquidity of the *shares* that matters, it's the liquidity of the option contracts. And all the previous rules, like 80 delta, contradict this rule. You are rarely going to find 80 delta and 1 year+ calls that are highly liquid. > IV (Implied Volatility): Should be low to get better prices. How low? This should REPLACE that VIX rule, since it is the more general case of the VIX rule and applies to all ETFs, not just S&P 500 ETFs. How low? That's a topic of active debate in the option trading community, but a general rule of thumb is that, ideally, present IV should be lower than the 52-week trailing average IV. Or you can use IV Rank of less than 50% or IV Percentile of less than 50%, which are just slightly different ways to look at trailing 52-week averages.
Expecting this, Moved all my retirement accounts fund to TLT yesterday (guessed my last chance to stay calm) !
Microstrategy liquidates around 70k right? That would cause another SVB event. Fed will have to bailout crypto. So TLT should be going down but we will see.
Is bitcoin and TLT in the drivers seat? Huh
I am learning this as I go, but I figure I'll hedge. I'll have two months of dividend payout and OTM CCs. So I hedge the position w/ 3 puts expiring the 12th. If there is a rate cut, TLT goes back to its October high, and the improved nav and and dividends offset my puts going worthless. If there is no rate cut, my puts offset the paper loss of my shares, and let me DCA down.
I like TLT because of its monthly dividend payout as well as its flexible option chain. I bought my first batch of shares in October alongside several protective puts, and have been selling said puts to DCA in.
Unless what’s been happening in spec tech rehabilitates itself by 2025 end (ARKK is what to watch here), something that’s 2022 esque might be inescapable from the Nasdaq. And before you ask, the main concern isn’t inflation and rate hikes (labor market), though I will freshly admit we may be slowly, but ever so surely seeing a turn with how the Nasdaq has traded off interest rate movements back to where it was when inflation was concerning. It’s not “there” as of now, but you’ve been seeing a few more days lately with TLT and QQQ down.
Only red I can find in the world tonight is MSFT UNH and TLT
I’m planning to wait for the upcoming Non Farm. If the data looks bad, I might consider parking more money into Treasury ETFs like TLT. Trump bought some treasuries throughout this year, and I think it’s a solid move
I’m going to wait for Non-farm… if it is bad, i might park more money to treasuries ETF such as TLT. Trump bought some treasuries throughout this year and i think it’s a good move
I’ve seen enough. TLT and chill
Can’t wait to see the complete destruction this bubble pop has on asset prices, energy prices; we are in for an insane reckoning that will lead to deflation and fed intervention. TLT all the way baby.
Well that depends: there are two markest in Bonds Primary and Secondary Yes if we hold bonds and never sell them (Buy them from the Govt at auction (the Primary market) yes you are correct but in the secondary market already existing bonds are traded (aha). When the fed drops the overnight rate, the already existing longer term bonds become more valuable because the holders of them have a higher yield than the same bonds the Goverment is selling in the Primary market (for same maturity date), and so people who want higher yield will try to buy those to get that higher yiled than those new treasuries being auctuoned off by the US Treasury and so the secondary market's bond prices increase, there is even a formula: each 1% drop in the overnight rate the 20 yrs bonds increase in value by approx 16% or a 25basis point gives a 4% increase Buying the TLT ETF well before rate cutting cycle starts, investors can make impressive returns on longer term Bonds and sell the TLT as they peak once the interest rate cutting cycle is done. Go look at the TLT chart and you will see this happening.
Sell this and go for TLT calls January 16 $100 strike price You won’t regret it 😉😉
TLT got wrecked in 2022 . I personally don’t trust that one since
JAAA maybe - historically it has been pretty safe - but there are some warning signs in private credit (eg the implosion of Tricolor) that would make me hesitant to use it replace SGOV. Maybe a partial allocation? I have also thought about making a small allocation to TLT which might benefit more from deflationary pressure during a recession, but don’t feel like I understand enough about how the long bond market operates to understand wether that upside is worth the added volatility despite similar yield.
The good thing about the -0.15 delta is that is automatically adjusts the strike price farther out during periods of high volatility. Also with high IV I'm getting larger credits. All of these underlyings trade differently and some of the lower liquidity and lower IV names (like TLT and XLU) are not as profitable. However, I do include them in the method in order to have some underlying diversification. I see what you are saying about looking for support levels that have historically held, but I don't feel technical analysis has benefited me much in the past. I think the Black-Scholes model and market forces are more likely to get me the appropriate strike price to achieve the 85% winning percentage that I'm looking for. I have not tracked assignment rates because I never get assigned with this method. I'll close them out immediately at a 200% loss or when the trade moves ITM. Or I'll close them on expiration Friday so my assignment risk is 0. I have tried around 70 names over the last five years and I find that these 12 work the best in terms of aggregate profit.
Everbody gangsta until hedging with TLT isn't working
Do you have the math to back up that .8 correlation? I honestly don't know the exact number, but intuitively I think it's much lower. The best free calculator I could find when I did some research a while back was only allowing me to do 4 underlyings. I concur that the 4 major ETFs (QQQ, SPY, IWM, DIA) are about a .8 correlation, but that's why I add in the inversely or uncorrelated names like IBIT, GLD, USO, IYR, TLT, and VIX. If you include the VIX, then 6 of the 13 are not even stock based. I trade three commodities (Bitcoin, Gold, Oil), which do have single asset risks, but they provide diversification from your stock ETFs. These commodities are largely uncorrelated from each other and from stocks. Also, I trade three additional alternative asset classes (Bonds, Real Estate and Volatility) TLT, IYR and VIX. TLT and VIX provide negative correlation diversification, and IYR (Real Estate ETF) provides protection as well.
I hold TLT and TMF with 65% of my position, no other stocks or ETFs.
TLT climbed with that pump, Vix is up 6%...we feeling good in bear land
I remain short in trading account, Long term account all equity/crypto positioning is hedged via risk reversals (short calls long puts) and the cash balance from selling my other equities is now in TLT shares and calls. Dec 25 - March 26 exp. For all options. With the intent to roll down and out as things unfold.
Not liking that TLT technical. That's gotta be no bueno.
We can trade TLT , it goes up and down based on interest rates and it returns income every month
Please explain what was going through your mind buying puts on TLT trading at historic lows and the market tantrum squeezing a 50bps out of Powell?
All I care about for tomorrow is to see TLT drill to the Earth's core. Only holding 10 puts, but also the only thing I'm holding. Staying cash gang until I find a safe play.
I agree 100% on SPX - I only use it for options and speculative hedging. My favorite high-risk position is a rolling call position on TLT and EDV. A repeat of 2008 and the sale of TLT calls will let me exercise enough EDV to take on a 50% position; a repeat of 2020 and I'll probably retire.
Good insight, I appreciate. This is what my thinking, past sharp drops in S&P market, TLT jumped considerably as given here [https://imgur.com/yHy0cmR](https://imgur.com/yHy0cmR) (TMF is 3x of TLT). I witnessed the same, when TLT went down to $85 range during Jan 2025, I bought with full cash selling all other investments and sold the TLT by Apr first week nice profits. Same way, I am buying now as FED is reducing FFR (of course they do not control LT rates) as a part of inflation control. TLT has potential grow (as SPX is not attractive). Even if SPX is not going down and TLT is not going up, I get 4.36% dividend return (monthly paid). Technical side, not fundamental side, my risk is less to buy TLT as $82 is the lowest of the last 15-20 years. Thank you
I would personally prefer not to invest my family’s money. But if I was on the hook for it I would split it between equity ETFs and bonds. VOO, TLT, SGOV, etc., maybe some other vanguard funds. Keep it simple and low risk.
Interest rate risk. TLT is long duration. It excels during deflation, but vulnerable to inflation + rate hikes. Check out it's returns for 2022. Not saying you shouldn't have bought it. When rates are up is the best time to pick up long duration. 2008 is a great example of TIPS vs nominals and why it's a good idea to hold both: 1) [First half of 2008 was stagflationary](https://cpiinflationcalculator.com/2008-cpi-inflation-united-states/). GDP was going negative and unemployment rising as the economy was deteriorating, but CPI still rising. Primary culprit was gas prices. June 2008 is when a barrel of crude notched its all-time high of $140. Because TIPS are tied to CPI, they increase in value during such inflationary shocks. Investors were piling into TIPS, fearing a return of the 1970s. 2) Lehman was the largest holder of TIPS and when they filed for bankruptcy, they flooded the TIPS market to raise cash. TIPS' lower liquidity drove down their prices. Investors who had bought up TIPS fearing the 1970s were now underwater on a "safe" asset. 3) Lehman's collapse froze up credit markets. Yields on commercial paper spiked. Banks wouldn't lend to each other. The financial sector is the cardiovascular system of the economy. It stops pumping blood (money), the economy dies. CPI collapsed with Lehman because the economy was literally dying. Prices for everything collapsed. Gas went from over $5/gallon to just over $1 in less than six months. The Fed not only slashed short-term rates but bought up long duration bonds (TLT) to get yields down and boost bank balance sheets to get the blood (money) moving again. In sum: TIPS earn extra cash when prices are stupid and long duration nominals protect you when everything finally collapses.
Correct, I saw that and that is the main reason I bought as this decade low and risk is low. Concept of growth is buy low and sell high. If market tanks, TLT shoots up. Meanwhile, I am getting nice dividends. Same way, I bought TLT during Jan 2025 and sold Apr 2025 when market was bottomed!
Why TIPS and SGOV instead of TLT? If I buy TLT ( which I did ), it gives better dividend and higher value when stocks are taking a hit like 2009 and 2020. What is the negative for TLT?
- TIPS (Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities) - long-term inflation protection - SGOV (an ultra-short-term Treasury ETF) - for capital preservation and liquidity They serve different purposes. I would rather ask, why TIPS and not TLT.
i’m not dipping my toe back in till the reform optimism in this thread is completely gone.. all i read are hopes and dreams of bag holders companies will go to 0 there is a large amount of call open interest expiring friday the 21st so don’t expect much of a bounce next week liquidity is slowly drying up in many sectors the $ and TLT look like they might start rallying together pot stocks still doomed
Welp, today sucked less. Bought puts on TLT near the beginning of the day, sold them, and put the money into more shares. Only 73 more to go before I have a solid 300, and I can turn this into a "second HYSA".
TLT chart looks extra bad. 50 day breach.
TLT gonna make be absolutely dozens of dollars.
TLT having a nice time
At least TLT is going up today like it should
Ummm TLT rockets during crash. If yields are going down that means people are freaking out and buying treasuries!
Well, today sucked. I saw that the fedwatch odds of a ratecut had dipped hard, and bought a protective collar for my TLT shares as well as a few additional puts. That's my biggest bag now, but I am accumulating without concern so far. I had a trailing stop for my IAU shares which saved me a little pain. And I'm glad I sold my SLV calls yesterday because goddamn that was one helluva dump. I tried setting up a calendar spread at 47.50, but got spooked as well. So I just contented myself with rolling down some CSPs to 46.5 and seeing what happens tomorrow. If I get assigned, so be it.
For me, it's been $TLT. I mean technically everyone talks about it every day since $TLT is an etf based off the 20+ year bond yield. But even for bond traders it's not like anything shiny. Nobody cares about this stock even though I told a lot of people to buy it back then and would have made some okay money by now. Not mind shattering gains or a 2-10x or anything but to me it's pretty simple and I just make my returns. I entered it a few months ago in a pretty sizable position and it just gives me money every month and IMO we will continue to see rates decline (which means the etf stock price will go up).
So why is TLT still lagging so much?
TLT - RED SPY - RED GLD - RED IBIT - RED DXY - RED Are we just saying fuck un-correlation at this point?
Next week is 3rd wk options exp for the month. I might sit out trading until next Friday. I would like a pullback in Gold. I might add to $TLT during this pullback as well. I'm not cut out for the leveraged shorting even if I think this is dot com 2.0. I'll take my profits and bet on J-Pow making an emergency rate cut before the market sniffs this out.
TLT sold off for the wrong reason a year ago. Or maybe people knew he was going to blow up the system.
Be aware TLT and GLD have barely moved
SCHD, TLT, SGOV for 10k
SLV seens to be hovering around 48.5/49. I plan to monitor for a profit-taking, then re-enter with some calls dated for december instead of november. Likewise, I'll sell some CSPs expiring Friday. Any premiums I collect are going into accumulating shares of SLV and IAU. I have TLT that I am selling CCs against, and that's my biggest "bag" for now.
oh, ok. I have it with my 401k so it's probably a diversified mix but TLT is a solid buy with i think a 4.3% yield. very solid hedge
Those big spikes in TLT on the 6th and the 11th...is that the US treasury trying to pump that up? Or just people shifting from stocks to bonds
Probably buy long-term treasury bonds $TLT
I’m back from vacation. Looks like I should’ve bought the fucking dip on Friday. Still 120% TLT waiting for shitty Sept employment numbers.
Looking for deals only one I see is SPY and GLD and TLT maybe one share of TSLY
Buying TLT calls if we open at this 👀