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Waiting patiently for MSTR to drop below $200.. and we get to see scam yield ETF like MSTY & MSTE reverse spilt the shit out of the funds.
Me too. Exact same funds. Sad part is I knew they wouldn't work long term. I just had no idea they would cut so deep so fast. Got out of MSTY last week and I think I need to exit ULTY tomorrow.
I made a limit order for MSTY calls this morning that I didn't necessarily want to get filled...
so many clowns who bought the yieldmax scam learning their lesson on MSTY.
Made several bad trades beginning of year Including getting into high yield income funds (MSTY, YMAX). Sold everything and moved to MAG7. 50% amzn, 10% meta, the rest in VOO. Learned my lesson.
Mix it up a bit. Safe bets but ones that pay if you hold. I have an ETF (MSTY) that is all weekly dividend paying stocks. I worry less about market volatility and focus on reinvestment of dividends. BRK.B is a solid buy and hold. Its all a bit of a crap shoot, but focus on dividends has been fruitful for me the last year.
Some of our more esteemed redditors suggest MSTY. They are all saying its going to a moon. Looks interesting.
My only question is why is MSTY a thing and why do people invest in it
You guys need to stop betting long term on companies that are more or less nothing but BTC. If this is what you want to follow just buy BTC direct. KULR is a perfect example of what happens to a company when they only care about BTC. also if you do want to buy stuffs around btc... just 'MSTY n chill'...
I too made about 5k on nokia. It is entirely offset by my decisions with AMC, MSTY, Rivian, and a handful of other terrible ideas from this community, but here I
Half of my net is in BTC and BTC treasury related stocks. Mostly MSTR/MSTU/MSTY. I like ASST. I've been watching it for a few weeks now ever since SMLR deal. Initially I was positioned into SMLR but once ASST went under a dollar the play was on discount. The idea is go heavy long and exit half the position at 100% gain, making the other half essentially risk free. But tbh im gonna hold out for 10. This stock had legs before any hype. Now its has jet fuel.
Is this sarcasm? Or are you genuinely confused as to which is the better purchase MSTY & ULTY vs BITO & FBTC?
boomers were living the high life on MSTY dividends thinking the party was gonna go on forever. i wont be happy until they repo the lambos
I've been actively investing for less than two years, and I quickly learned that no one is going to provide guidance customized to my needs, not even those articles that we all get. The investment choices I make have done fairly well, but they rarely align with the suggestions I see anywhere. I was an early buyer of MSTY and other YieldMax® Products, but the trends I noticed began raising concerns long before others claimed to be buying it like mad. I never wrote anything about it because I knew that what may be the right choice today will most likely not be tomorrow. That is precisely why I read, analyze, and STFU about what I'm doing. I'm no expert and have no business giving financial advice to someone else. So yes, I've long been sick (and tired) of reading advice from others who probably have different timeline horizons and objectives from me, offering their opinions on the best choices for my portfolio.
Sold all my scam MSTY to buy 12.5k shares. Hopefully I BYND bails me out
Added some MSTY today it’s been down for so long
Bought 6700 shares around $.64 today after selling that MSTY crap. Hopefully can recover some money
MSTY bros in absolute shambles holy shit, need to hit the yieldmax sub for some serious crypto loss porn 🥲
MSTY div is now over 200% lol
Just sold all my MSTY. It was a good run… (No it wasn’t)
Gave her MSTY and kept ULTY I hope.
Wow lol, MSTY down -54% 1yr. Tough for the dividend bros.
calling MSTY an 'income fund' is basically false advertising at this point
MSTR/MSTY subs in shambles
has anyone thought of this? google yieldmax funds YMAX MSTY NVDY ‘etc
Off loaded most of my LULU and MSTY today. Feels good, already profitable with that $$$…
The problem that doesn't show is the NAV erosion. So far this year all the distributions from MSTY have from from the price. Just run a comparison to MSTR to MSTY.
OH! Right. It's MSTY. I used this page: [https://www.dripcalc.com/?tkr=msty](https://www.dripcalc.com/?tkr=msty) Anybody have a better calculator page?
MSTY boomers shitting their Depends
Even worse is MSTY
Ahh ok I see. I have an account through Public where I try to only trade with max 5% of my port and the rest is investments. Then I have a smaller account on Schwab for divs only (ADX, ARR, JEPQ, and MSTY), not too invested into that since Im young and should be investing more into growth stocks.
It’s worked OK for me. Don’t buy MSTY though. She ded
Lol just wait a few months. Now is the time to add MSTY for free money glitch to support you forever
Made $150k on OPEN. I am thinking of tossing the entire chunk into some high income options ETF like MSTY, or BTCI and see how long it will last.
Bitcoin >> MSTR >> MSTY
You should see all the Yieldmax disciples crying about their 75-100% NAV losses in MSTY.
Mostly QQQI and QQQT, some small exposure to ETCO, MSTY, BTCI
Mostly QQQI and QQQT, some small exposure to ETCO, MSTY, BTCI
You start out- 20yrs old, want to be courageous, want Growth, want risk(not afraid), etc.... I thought you were gonna say stuff like TECL, UPRO MSTY, FNGU etc.... Global stocks are aggressive>?
The Bitcoin = MSTR = MSTY+Monthly Div Equation is working like a champ today.
no they're still in, putting it all in MSTY and other risky dumb shit now
I always buy my 10k MSTY calls on my walk over to the food bank
Cuz I beefed her to death with my MSTY erosion
https://totalrealreturns.com/s/MSTR,MSTY
holding NVDA then buying MSTY.
MSTY would be even better
Play MSTY for me! Sweet sweet divy music.
Take your ORCL and OPEN gains and put them straight into MSTY
Been losing my dick all year and took a hefty loss on MSTR/MSTY. Aped a bit of it in 48 hrs ago on calls ( 2nd time ever doing them and Im up 110%/ 100k. In May I did a .50 call for $610 dollars with a Jan exp. Its up 2100% / $12,960.
Option buyers think that the contract should/will be worth more than what it is currently trading for, and option sellers think the opposite. It's two parties making a bet that they have more alpha than the person on the other end of that trade If you believe in efficient market theory, assuming both parties aren't insider trading, neither of them have any alpha; over time, both buying and selling options is capital neutral sans trading fees & borrow rates (leverage is not free: see BOXX) Option buyers want leverage and option sellers want less volatility. Using recency bias and claiming "MSTY is stupid because MSTR outperforms" is like saying "QQQ is stupid because TQQQ outperforms". No shit, sherlock, the product with more leverage outperforms during bull markets Or inversely, if it was January 2023, I could use recently bias to claim "I sold all of my QQQ for JEPQ; look at the 2022 chart!"
Please don't spend your money on gambling but I know you will anyways. This is not financial advice but before I yoloed 0-DTE SPY I would just dump it into ULTY or MSTY and see what happens over the next 5 months. Its less of a gamble and you might make some money to get close to what you need. Something even less risky is to buy leaps on NVDA and sell calls for the next 5 months. If you need help with gambling there are resources for you and I am sure that most anyone on this thread would help you find the information.
You might consider a bit of DIY dividend portfolio investing, though that takes a bit of homework and is something of a project. But basically, long-term diversification is all... [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hofu1z/building\_a\_dividend\_portfolio\_and\_the\_rule\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hofu1z/building_a_dividend_portfolio_and_the_rule_of/) Also multi-sector dividend investing is another way to do it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hxuf6n/answer\_to\_post\_question/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hxuf6n/answer_to_post_question/) You might try some YieldMax for fun (people say bad things about YM, but some of their products (MSTY, PLTY) actually have held water pretty well -- when you factor in all the dividends). Here's a current breakdown of everything YieldMax offers: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n4t7tj/yieldmax\_yield\_chaser\_special\_8292025\_an\_analysis/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n4t7tj/yieldmax_yield_chaser_special_8292025_an_analysis/) And if you want weekly payers: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n5r9ai/all\_weekly\_payers\_an\_analysis\_of\_all\_weekly/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n5r9ai/all_weekly_payers_an_analysis_of_all_weekly/)
The problem is if you didn’t invest in some of these like MSTY, which is a scam on top of a scam on top of a scam, you’d be up 20,000% in the last two years. So it’s hard to call them a scam. Although I agree, it’s definitely a scam.
ULTY, MSTY. It's a win win win Situation.
MSTY bros in shambles right now damn
You might consider a bit of DIY dividend portfolio investing, though that takes a bit of homework and is something of a project. But basically, long-term diversification is all... [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hofu1z/building\_a\_dividend\_portfolio\_and\_the\_rule\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hofu1z/building_a_dividend_portfolio_and_the_rule_of/) Also multi-sector dividend investing is another way to do it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hxuf6n/answer\_to\_post\_question/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hxuf6n/answer_to_post_question/) You might try some YieldMax for fun (people say bad things about YM, but some of their products (MSTY, PLTY) actually have held water pretty well -- when you factor in all the dividends). Here's a current breakdown of everything YieldMax offers: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n4t7tj/yieldmax\_yield\_chaser\_special\_8292025\_an\_analysis/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n4t7tj/yieldmax_yield_chaser_special_8292025_an_analysis/) And if you want weekly payers: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n5r9ai/all\_weekly\_payers\_an\_analysis\_of\_all\_weekly/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n5r9ai/all_weekly_payers_an_analysis_of_all_weekly/)
MSTR having a nice jump back and dragging MSTY up too in a sea of Red.
OP is NGMI asking financial advice on here. Dividends themselves aren’t bad but putting your entire inheritance into MSTY specifically is just about the worst financial advice you could give someone
Dump it all in MSTY. It’s a risk but at current price and $450k investment you would have had a dividend of $31.6k last month.
Thank god i got out of MSTY and yieldmax bs biggest scam ever
You might consider a bit of DIY dividend portfolio investing, though that takes a bit of homework and is something of a project. But basically, long-term diversification is all... [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hofu1z/building\_a\_dividend\_portfolio\_and\_the\_rule\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hofu1z/building_a_dividend_portfolio_and_the_rule_of/) Also multi-sector dividend investing is another way to do it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hxuf6n/answer\_to\_post\_question/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hxuf6n/answer_to_post_question/) You might try some YieldMax for fun (people say bad things about YM, but some of their products (MSTY, PLTY) actually have held water pretty well). Here's a breakdown of everything YieldMax offers: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n4t7tj/yieldmax\_yield\_chaser\_special\_8292025\_an\_analysis/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n4t7tj/yieldmax_yield_chaser_special_8292025_an_analysis/) And if you want weekly payers: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1mugom1/all\_weekly\_payers\_an\_analysis\_of\_all\_weekly/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1mugom1/all_weekly_payers_an_analysis_of_all_weekly/)
You might consider a bit of DIY dividend portfolio investing, though that takes a bit of homework and is something of a project. But basically, long-term diversification is all... [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hofu1z/building\_a\_dividend\_portfolio\_and\_the\_rule\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hofu1z/building_a_dividend_portfolio_and_the_rule_of/) Also multi-sector dividend investing is another way to do it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hxuf6n/answer\_to\_post\_question/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hxuf6n/answer_to_post_question/) You might try some YieldMax for fun (people say bad things about YM, but some of their products (MSTY, PLTY) actually have held water pretty well). Here's a breakdown of everything YieldMax offers: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n4t7tj/yieldmax\_yield\_chaser\_special\_8292025\_an\_analysis/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1n4t7tj/yieldmax_yield_chaser_special_8292025_an_analysis/) And if you want weekly payers: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1mugom1/all\_weekly\_payers\_an\_analysis\_of\_all\_weekly/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1mugom1/all_weekly_payers_an_analysis_of_all_weekly/)
Where are all those regards who were shilling MSTY and those garbage covered call ETFs earlier this year. That shit is down -40 percent if you didn't reinvest the dividends, and even if you did you would have barely beaten SPY while taking on much more risk. And those payouts are slowly becoming smaller and smaller. Lmao I was seeing people claim they could retire off 100k in that earlier this year.
Tell me what those growth stocks are getting 100% annual yield. You’re out of your mind. These would have to be NVDA, CVNA, META. That’s not a system. That’s being lucky with specific picks. It’s not repeatable and it’s not recurring. Nor is your elaborate house of cards. If this was systemically possible, everyone would have bought NVDA and continue to do so forever, and the phrase “arbitrage away the edge” wouldn’t exist. There’s no alpha in winning the lottery. The reason why you don’t have the cash is clear. But you don’t need cash. You asked for an alternative. Cash is an alternative. With $1M port, you can sell CCs at low deltas and manage the minority that turn bad with disciplined BTCs. You will have incredibly low risk of shares selling, and get 3% monthly yield, equating to 42.5% annualized. Your proposal ignores they are paying you back your own money, with NAV erosion continuously. You’re looking at ~15 months before hitting break-even. You’re not netting out the cost of your interest rate, and the fact that you’re predicting a “high return” (it isn’t) from these CC yield funds. They are charging you a management fee where they are guaranteed to get paid, so they will do the CC work for you. You could cut out the middle-man, not lose management fee vig, and not suffer offsetting NAV collapse of a fund with no inherent productive value. Let’s break it down. ——- Those Roundhill / Yieldmax “yields” though, don’t account for the fact that the NAV is degrading the whole time. The share prices dropped 20.22% over its life so far and that’s only a year. These yield ETFS, they haven’t even made it to the breakeven point right? Wouldn’t that take almost 3 years? 15 months at minimum. And the whole time it’s declining from the price you paid for it at the beginning. RDTE is down -15.74% for a year (its entire life). I believe the Yieldmax ones are even worse. That’s 24% then *minus the 5% margin interest*. On $400k is net 19%; which is the same as 7.6% on the whole $1M. For layers of extra house of cards with at least 3 downsides. You’re not actively doing anything with options. Just picking a different version of throwing money at someone else and letting them figure it out. If you were active trading you could do better than 7.6% in a year (that’s like 2 months of active options sales). Making a big yield (it isn’t anyway) on $400k is not better than making an equivalent yield on the entire portfolio. The *NET* yield of those Roundhill and Yieldmax funds are 11.44%, 4.69%, and the advertised “distribution yields” of *”35%”* are only counting only *income layouts* not total net gains. MSTY brags about NAV growth, but it’s 33.98% of the underlying MSTR itself. Literally a third of your performance just holding MSTR. Read the Form 19a-1 on those Roundhill ETFs. *100%* of those distributions are Return ***of*** Capital. Not Return *on* Capital. They are literally just trickle-paying back your own money (which you don’t actually own, you’re on the hook to a lender for $400k, and you’re paying interest on that, and subject to margin call which will force liquidation of your precious growth stocks that you don’t want to risk on low delta CCs). MSTY payouts have been 60%, 86%, and 97% Return **of** Capital. They’re taking your money, living large on fees, paying you back some of your own borrowed money. You’re paying interest to your lender. I just did the actual math, not top of my head (I said 15 months above). That XDTE, if you put in $400K into it, isn’t paying you 11.4% because you’re paying interest on the $400K every month starting immediately while you’re waiting to break even from XDTE returns. You’re paying 5% interest, so 11.4% - 5% = 6.4%. You’re getting 6.4% from XDTE. (That’s about 1.5 months of option sales for me.) Your starting point is -$400K in the hole. To get back your $400K in combined share price + weekly payouts, we have to estimate how much NAV will continue to degrade, but we’ll use last year. It’s going to take you 9-10 months before you are positive 1 penny. Let’s just generously call it 9 months. Now… you can’t have the Shares cake and eat the yield too. Since you want income, you’re not compounding. So at 9 months, you have to decide if you: — Want to sell the shares and cash out, at which point you’re at exactly $0.00 / 0.00% gain from your starting position. — Leave the money in shares and wait for that income to start. Since your shares are frozen capital, we wait till **just the payouts** reach $43.80 and one penny. Since we don’t care about NAV erosion in this scenario, you’re enjoying the ~28% payout rate. So 3.5 years of weekly payouts later, you have finally turned a profit of one penny. Congratulations. Assuming XDTE still exists 3.56 years from now if the fund keeps degrading by 20% a year. Or Roundhill still exists. And this is assuming the payout rate stays as high as 28%. If the fund drops 20% for three and half years, I’d be very skeptical they can keep paying out 28%. You have to keep bringing in new suckers for a Ponzi scheme to work. These kinds of funds, the oldest granddaddies are 3 years old, Roundhills are one year old. Maybe XDTE will still exist in 3.56 years. At that time, you’ve made a penny (exciting!) and your shares are probably worth about $19.80 (but your not concerned with equity, or productivity, you just want income). ***But wait! There’s more!*** As you importantly point out, you’re cash poor. So you borrowed someone else’s $400,000 to play this game. You’re not learning to swim with dad standing still in the pool. He’s moving backward from you at 5% a year. So, to break even at 28% payouts, you’re actually getting 23% payouts. That’s 4.35 years till you make your first penny. And, you have to pay your lender that 5% (divided by 12 months naturally) every month, starting immediately, not waiting 4.35 years to begin paying the interest from your shiny new penny. At that point, 4.35 years later, your shares are now worth $14. But you don’t care about that, you’re just here for the income. I’ve changed my mind. This is a great plan. For your broker and Roundhill. Please let me know who your broker is so I can invest in them directly. And for opening my eyes to this scenario, as a gift, please DM me your PO Box and I will buy you a calculator at the dollar store and ship it to you. I’ll cover the shipping costs.
It's ok. Breath take a deep breath and regroup. Stop taking home runs and start building long term. Look into investing and building a foundation. Looking into the magnificent 7 and xl sprds as your foundation. Once that is built Look into SCHD, QQQI, JEPQ and AGNC as low risk stable dividend stocks. When you are ready look into high risk dividend stocks such as BTCI, CVNY, MSTY, CONY. It's not the end of the world I promise just take a bit of time and you will get it back
MSTR / MSTY died which is 90% of that sub
Full ported MSTY. Average below 17
MSTY remember 2 months ago when ppl thought they would retire off this? lol
Just get a 0% balance transfer deposit into margin account and buy MSTY with everything you got. Trust me the math maths.
Only crypto etf I use is MSTY for the income generation
Yeah who would of guessed MSTY would of crashed
$1k because LLY was holding me up and MSTY is sinking me bad.
my port might still be full of gorbige but at least I sold my MSTY (nesting doll of scam in a scam in a scam in a scam) above 20
Leave it to the professionals and buy MSTY R/YIELDMAX
Funny how the YouTube people talk up MSTY & ULTY. Yet Forbes who are much smarter than most if not all the YouTubers says BITO. Gee I wonder which to buy
The lesser of the two evils - MST (and MSTY too but mostly MST).
The lesser of the two evils - MST (and MSTY too but mostly MST).
I like ULTY & MSTY even though I shouldnt lol I have small positions in both, like $1k that's all.
Miy MSTY. Get dividends. From 30k you'll probably get $2000 monthly.
Penny stocks? LOL. C'mon. If you need high risk maybe a levered fond. MSTY might foot the bill too.
Possible, I mean ULTY, MSTY, NVYY all pay out 70%+ div on their option trades. You just got to stick to a consistent method and don’t change thats when you fuck up. You could pull $500 a week on $30k in ULTY, if you are set on playing with $30k in options, safer route than doing it yourself when your more likely to see a sure shot winning trade idea here on reddit and port your account.
You might consider a bit of DIY dividend portfolio investing, though that takes a bit of homework and is something of a project. But basically, long-term diversification is all... [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hofu1z/building\_a\_dividend\_portfolio\_and\_the\_rule\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hofu1z/building_a_dividend_portfolio_and_the_rule_of/) Also multi-sector dividend investing is another way to do it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hxuf6n/answer\_to\_post\_question/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1hxuf6n/answer_to_post_question/) You might try some YieldMax for fun (people say bad things about YM, but some of their products (MSTY, PLTY) actually have held water pretty well). Here's a breakdown of everything YieldMax offers: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1mpn917/weekly\_payers\_yieldmax\_yield\_chaser\_special/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dividendfarmer/comments/1mpn917/weekly_payers_yieldmax_yield_chaser_special/)
Might want to take a peek at monthly div - MSTY Popping on Bitcoin's jump today.
MSTY coming up with it.
"Significant"? Definitely not. That would be highly unlikely. No yieldmax etfs have ever gone insolvent. TSLY was the only one that had a reverse split when Tesla's value was down for a while, but it has also recovered nicely since then. For MSTY or CONY to even have "significant" NAV erosion, Microstrategy/bitcoin and coinbase would probably have to lose about half of their current values. Bitcoin, Microstrategy, and Coinbase are all on the rise. Something universally catastrophic would have to happen for that to even be remotely possible, and more than just those 2 assets would be affected. It's a great time to get into either. Plus, if you reinvest your dividends, now you're compounding those returns for rapid growth.
"Significant"? Definitely not. That would be highly unlikely. No yieldmax etfs have ever gone insolvent. TSLY was the only one that had a reverse split when Tesla's value was down for a while, but it has also recovered nicely since then. For MSTY or CONY to even have "significant" NAV erosion, Microstrategy/bitcoin and coinbase would probably have to lose about half of their current values. Bitcoin, Microstrategy, and Coinbase are all on the rise. Something universally catastrophic would have to happen for that to even be remotely possible, and more than just those 2 assets would be affected. It's a great time to get into either. Plus, if you reinvest your dividends, now you're compounding those returns for rapid growth.
Honest question - isn’t there a significant chance of CONY or MSTY getting completely wiped out in a downturn?
3.8% is garbage. Please get out of that HYSA ASAP! The fact that they even try to call it "high yield" is a sick joke! Take the $100k and even the $70k and put it all into Yieldmax ETFs like CONY and/or MSTY. It would yield you over $8,500 in dividends every 4 weeks. So you're currently throwing away at least $8500/month the longer that $ isn't invested in it. Or just start with $10k and watch when you get at least $500 back for your first dividend and then decide what to do from there.
Is anyone else with ULTY/MSTY abandoning ship