NVDA

banditcleaner2

and since a rather large cost of the data centers themselves is the GPUs, which they still make, they're able to likely actually run them at a profit. imagine everybody trying to be a landlord and paying $2700 for the house to rent it for $3K, meanwhile NVDA can basically pay $540 for the house and still rent it for $3K. seems bullish to me

Psych_Yer_Out

Let me know when the pop happens tho, because it has been compared to 2000 like every year and they are printing more and more money at NVDA and other chip companies. You know that those companies make money even if AI doesn't even work at all, which it does, and if their chips fall in value, they may, they were still worth like $1000 for gaming and shit. Also if you own SnP500, you own it too, its in everyone's retirement accounts whether they know it!

txholdup

I own over 500 shares of NVDA. I'm beginning to think they are becoming the Berkshire Hathaway of tech stocks. Last quarter, they reported a $7B increase from stock holdings in other companies.

TurbodToilet

NVDA pumping off of news that it’s investing in META? Like are we actually joking? Tech stock infinite circle jerk

solariac

They are a bit smarter (or "creative" lol) than Cisco, but yea. They have been compared to Cisco ever since NVDA was trading in the 500 range for a year presplit.

nthenya74

I see cup and handle on NVDA. I say calls.

greenpride32

>their Q3 earnings expectations are kinda insane. >Saw estimates putting revenue at around 99.68 trillion KRW and net income near 60 trillion. That’s some pretty wild YoY growth if those numbers actually hold up. Much of their inventory is pre-sold so there isn't going to be any earnings suprise. Same with your NVDA's and your MU's. There is only so much capacity that limits what they can produce in a given timeline, there is more demand than supply, they can name their price and have customers lined up to make advanced deals. It's already known in advance what will be the general outcome. Your variables are then currency conversion, potential production delays or yield shortages; things of that nature. A slowdown will eventually come. But that time is not this year or next year.

actias_selene

NVDA is Cisco. Always has been.

1098duc_w_the_termi

Lmao INTC is the yahoo of this cycle. What does that make NVDA then 👀

CurrentAirline9065

In bear times mean reversion spread trades get really popular. NVDA/AMD is one of the most popular ones

Orin_n

How tf is AMD price opposing NVDA, they're literally in the same sector

Sufficient_Nose629

NVDA 🟥

Legitimate-Jury3878

NVDA Lmao

mapoftasmania

INTC is now a quantum stock. Them buying Classiq raises the chance that AMD, NVDA or even TSMC decides to buy one of the others. Who's regarding them with me?

WoodenDiscipline6697

i shall take the family credit card and all in NVDA

Kranoath

I remember when NVDA was overvalued garbage at 150 billion market cap. Those were the days.

Sufficient_Habit5091

NVDA has decided to make itself TBTF. >“What is missing in the middle is the working capital to fuel that growth… because there’s just so much demand across so many sectors of AI, there’s a scarcity of capital,” Huang said. >“The demand of the capital is much greater than the availability of the capital. That’s going to get solved,” he added. Market is saying we're concerned about the feasibility of all these neoclouds. NVDA is saying, yea no, y'all are going to print money to save us lmao.

Switch5555

Buy more long-term NVDA puts

grinch337

>The point is that there’s 1 company in the world that can make these chips and it’s not as simple as set up a factory and make them. But that’s what I’m saying. A supply bottleneck of such a seemingly critical component would make you think there’d be some kind of concerted effort to establish a dedicated supply chain for them, but instead they opt to participate in a circular economy that just creates an inflationary feedback loop that prices normal consumers out of the market and creates security and supply vulnerabilities. They’re **not** making that kind of effort though — not because of national interests or supply guarantees, but because the whole thing is a grift. >NVDA doesn’t make the chips, they design them, TSMC builds them, then NVDA sells them. Yeah, it’s all a value added trading scheme that hides economic stagnation behind indexes that grow from speculation and money changing hands, not from actual tangible output.

Desirable_Treasure

The demand is real, but the problem is the funding of these assets is all circular with NVDA funding neoclouds to provide compute and then drive further chip demands. The moment one stops it all comes crashing down

Lake-Life

\*NVDA gave cash to neo cloud companies who used that cash to purchase NVDA GPUs allowing NVDA to recollect the cash and record it as revenue for accounting purposes. Basically NVDA purchases their own hardware they list on the market to reduce supply and create artificial demand to inflate prices. Neo clouds found out GPUs are eligible to use as collateral for lines of credit since they have a presumed future utility based on what profit could be generated from them. Then they maxed out those lines of credit. Now interest rates are rising which will ultimately lead to lower future growth (profit) expectations in the market on the GPUs due to higher costs of capital eating into presumed margins. NVDA has now put its balance sheet on the line for these credit facilities because the lenders are forecasting lower growth and are scared they wont get their money back. So NVDA will get crushed when this ends because their sales expectations will fall when these entities stop buying chips and will have to repay the outstanding lines of credit. Not saying NVDA will go bankrupt, but it will be sharp and painful correction as forecasts are revised. Hence they reason they are desperately trying to keep this afloat. They fail to realize that doubling down on a losing trade will only cause larger future pain.

Useful-Resist-5964

The other thing is that there's legitimate spending going on by basically every government regarding AI. A lot of people think this is a bubble that will burst because normal people will stop using it. But the use case isn't ever about selling to normies like McDonalds--it's about selling to governments and businesses. EU and Asia are anti-American AI tech companies right now, but that doesn't mean that they aren't trying to establish and contract with their own national tech companies. I think people betting against PROFITABLE AI companies are doomed. So PLTR, NVDA, MSFT, all those guys--they're likely just going to keep going up.

music_is_gud

This is a huge gamble by NVDA that this whole thing would end well..

No_Promise2590

High conviction stocks would be like Google and NVDA, etc. not this garbage

Sawyerthesadist

Time to start watching NVDA 👀👀

MaximusKek

$NVDA 200

BitterGolf5988

Get your trade idea only off the daily chart, be very choosy. SPY/QQQ sometimes don’t have trades opportunities so also watch NVDA AVGO PLTR IWM AAPL AMZN. Use indicator Saty Volume Srack.🇺🇸

Thin-Way-6406

kinda sad I missed that SMCI pump. Do we think its a buy now? I thought they were selling out NVDA super secret blueprints to gyna or something?

LivingLegend69

True but its also not the only very impressive growth play in the Market just now. Hell you can buy NVDA at a sub 20 PE growing at an even faster rate per year. Or Amazon or Google if you want players in the compute space.

WorkingGuy99percent

Man, there are a lot of companies with P/E's less than 20. A lot of them have PEG's that are getting pretty low. Off the top of my head, the following are cheap right now: NVDA, AMD, MU, AVGO, QCOM I am also picking up new companies CBRS and CRWV.

Federal-Watch

Semiconductor packaging and testing for TSMC and NVDA. I option wheel it

Silent_Win116

NVDA puts?

VeridionMarkets

Quick cross-check on how Congress has been positioned in this trade, from House and Senate transaction filings since Aug 1 (ranges as printed): * **NVDA:** 5 sale lines from 4 members (Booker, Whitehouse, Meuser, Cisneros) vs 1 purchase (McGuire) * **MSFT:** 8 sale lines from 6 members vs 4 purchase lines from 3 * **TSM:** 3 purchases (Fields, Cisneros, Allen), 0 sales * The President’s latest OGE 278-T also lists an **NVDA sale of $500K–$1M** dated Aug 21. It’s a small sample, and the filings show what and when, not why. Plenty of it is probably rebalancing. Still, if $2.1T of data center capex is real, it’s interesting that the buying is at the fab level, not the GPU or hyperscaler names.

Gyngerbredman

Yeah I mostly just buy calls and puts. 0DTE on SPX and some NVDA and TSLA. It doesn't have to be complicated but the hard part moves to exits and size. Theta eats you if you sit and wait so know where you're getting out before you get in. Keep size small enough that a full loss doesn't wreck your day

Deadsea3132

NVDA price end of week?

laststarfighter2635

Is NVDA a trap?lol

obsidianplexiglass

That's why dollar bills are green, you can see the 8% NVDA in them.

zonk84

Fair and it's good advice -- though, one needs a fair and complete, multiyear assessment to measure. I just stumbled into it myself, but I think 1) You actually have to *enjoy* individual equity research and investing, 2) take sober stock (pun intended) of your own performance, and 3) really decide what you are: A *trader* (flip and churn) or *investor* (buy-and-hold). Now, I got lucky -- my *only* real investment vehicle \~10 years ago was my 401k, which obviously had limited options. Say, \~15 years ago - I got serious about understanding my allocations and learning some basics. 7-8 years ago, I started hitting my deferred maxes and opened my first taxable brokerage - just a fintech "robo-ETF", but I started to learn from *it*. 6-7 years - I added an additional brokerage account that I started using for individual stocks. It was long, long road. But what I've found? * I *like* the "chase" - lord help me, but I like reading 10-Ks/10-Qs. I *like* learning about the blizzard of metrics. I *like* investigating trends, I *like* the fact there's no simple answer. * Simultaneously, my individual stock account was so small (in relative terms) that I wasn't going to hurt myself if I bellyflopped hard. Still - today, only about \~5% of my total portfolio. I don't need to worry about over-concentration (NVDA is about 36% of my individual account.... but only about 1% my total portfolio). * I actually keep - and fund/invest in the same amount - my "ETF robots" at the same rate as my individual account. This gives me *another* stalking horse -- in addition to the usual S&P500, DJ total US, MSCI ACWI ex USA, etc -- "If I can't beat the robots, I've just got an expensive hobby. Buy a trading PC game". Keep you sober and prevents getting high on your own supply - I've had wins and losses like anyone. But - it's easy to have a good month, a good quarter, a good year (especially in bull markets!) * Over time, I learned *myself* as an investor (and learned I'm an *investor* \- **not** a trader). I keep a careful XLS of my buys (and rare sells). I record a "why" narrative. I track sources - places where I read something interesting. I learned signals where maybe I read them well.... and signals where I'm an idiot. And I never forget that sometimes I just get lucky.

greenpride32

Exception to the rule was exactly my point - these are the companies that you want to hit on, the ones that outpace broader market returns. What company have you seen before that can match ANT nominal revenue and growth numbers at an early stage? It does not exist. You'd only find it another extreme outlier, but doing it at more mature stage, and that is NVDA.

greenpride32

>We have a history of generating net losses as a result of the substantial investments we have made to grow our business and develop our platform, anticipate increases in our operating expenses in the future, **and may not achieve or, if achieved, sustain profitability**. If we cannot achieve and, if achieved, sustain profitability, our business, operating results, financial condition, and future prospects will be adversely affected. This is from CRWV S-1. Any S-1 is going to have a section called risk or risk factors which will be page or multiple pages of reasons why they could fail, and it is everything under the sun type scenarios. For example CRWV will have something like "we depend on NVDA GPU's - which we do produce on our own" as a risk factor.

Jbull136

“Undervalued” needs a huge asterisk there. These companies have very low P/E due to massive **unrealized** investment gains, keyword unrealized. If you look at Price over Free Cash Flow instead of Price over Earnings it paints a much dire valuation picture: MSFT: 235.40x AMZN: 112.43x GOOGL: 101.88x NVDA: 87.46x META: 70.10x AAPL: 64.35x TSLA: 394.17x Not to mention all those unrealized investment gains are mostly them passing around each other’s shares. So yea quite literally a bubble waiting to burst. All it will take is one of these companies to have a bad quarter or 2 and the house of cards is gonna fall

prcodes

NVDA up 3% today

SushiJesus

None of these AI labs have a moat, one month they have the dominant fronteir model the next rhey are surpassed. I still think the safest play is to buy the infrastructuee companies like NVDA on whom everyone is reliant.

E39_CBX

NVDA 0dte puts easy money right?

yad76

Yes, 9/11 was absolutely a factor as well as numerous other things completely unrelated to the "dot com bubble". People love to oversimplify history. The companies cited as evidence of the "dot com bubble" like [pets.com](http://pets.com), [theglobe.com](http://theglobe.com), etc. weren't even close to being part of the S&P 500, yet the S&P 500 crashed as well. Even the successful companies like Amazon, Nvidia, etc. weren't part of the S&P 500. All these "dot coms" were just a minor blip in the total market. Enron collapsed in 2000 which had nothing to do with the "dot com bubble". For some reason, no one talks about that. They were an S&P 500 company (NVDA replaced them). Their stock value was completely wiped out and they ended up being the largest bankruptcy in US history at the time. They took one of the world's largest accounting companies, Arthur Andersen, with them. Gosh, was it the silly little sock puppet commercials by a company that was completely insignificant in terms of market impact responsible for crashing the whole market for a few years or maybe a bigger factor could've been that an S&P 500 component crashed to worthless so quickly due to accounting lies by one of the top accounting firms? The Fed was also playing stupid games with interest rates leading up to the crash. Greenspan thought his role was to be an active player in policy and yanked interest rates up and down. He pulled them down in the late 90s, making funding easier for startups, and then pushed them up rapidly again 1999-2000, thus making that funding dry up. We'll never know how that era would've played out with sane, predictable rates throughout. With 9/11, look at all the airlines, travel related, and insurance companies that were part of the S&P 500 and the huge negative impact it had. Obviously that had massively more impact than a sock puppet.

steem99

NVDA is the same price now as it was 6 months ago, I don't have the patience to deal with that. Good luck though,

Negative_Song_6362

What are you talking about? NVDA doesn't control demand either? No company does lmao

DuAbUiSai

Just gonna stick to NVDA from now onwards. They never let me down.

Bagholder4lifez

NVDA and TSM might be ok from here.

domainmaker

I don't have any NVDA

IndependenceEasy8936

How much NVDA do you have

IndependenceEasy8936

So we all selling Monday afternoon??? I forgot about this, was planning to NVDA until earnings

valderium

*If managed well, it* ***could*** *rapidly accelerate scientific innovation, greatly increase economic growth rates, bring cures for major diseases within reach, and solve problems that have resisted generations of human effort.* Still a science project after $140+ billion raised with a novel capital structure that has as many stock classes as colors of the rainbow. Their moat appears to be talent (class e) and buying silicon Calls on NVDA

codespyder

This NVDA pump is weak af

Fit-Frosting-7144

What semi NVDA is pumping

greenpride32

It isn't clear whether AMD/AVGO/NVDA are potentially buyjng up to $5b each or $5b cumulatively. But let's assume at most $15b, that still leaves you with $80b. Like all of the other "circular financing" arguments, the substantially larger amounts of flow is "outside the circle". I would agree the META/AMD deal was a bit unusual - but it was more about AMD being desparate to sell AI GPU's as NVDA CUDA dominates the market to the point AMD cannot find buyers without offering huge incentive.

ObservationalUnit

no, quite literally, NVDA is probably getting paid from this. You fucking belong here for this one.

Stonk_Trader69420

$NVDA gonna be back to $220 EOW

420KekLord69

Meta diluting 100B to buy more NVDA and MU chips is bullish LMAO 🤌

AffectionateTour3021

Fall behind? NVDA is more than 5x AMD

Legitimate-Jury3878

Once again NVDA is going to fall way behind AMD and MU

Kantmzk

The biggest players of AI will always be fine. GOOGL is quite cheap now. AMD and NVDA are incredibly cheap. MU is a steal if the narrative flips.

HammerDownl

Remember who owns large stake in coreweave. NVDA.

DubiousChemistry

It was really beaten down, several tech people I knew felt they made good products, and they had a chance to take market share off NVDA with their MI series chips. I've been all in one stock pretty much my whole investing life. Whether that be SPY or TQQQ or AMD. Andrew Carnegie agreed: "Put all your eggs in one basket and then watch that basket."

Medical-Lecture-6053

NVDA gotta have some extra cash lying around after gouging everyone out the wazoo share the wealth and bail out the AI sector

tomvorlostriddle

Weigh the next door mom and pop deli at the same weight as NVDA while you're at it

PseudoTsunami

Yes, I do, but these inferences that understanding options trading is the ticket to consistent trading income never makes sense to me. Options is just a tool but you still need to be correct in your investment thesis, and that's a whole world of knowledge completely unrelated to just "options trading". Just like in poker there's only 3 views on an underlying at any given point in time, bullish, bearish, or neutral. So for example, let's say you were bearish or neutral on NVDA over the last 5 years, selling bearish spreads or delta neutrals...you'd be negative alpha. Let's say you were correctly bullish NVDA, however if you were selling bullish credit spreads or cash secured puts instead of just investing that capital in NVDA, you'd also be negative alpha because you missed all the rapid upside moves. In other words, the likely only way you'd have generated positive alpha with options was using leverage like synthetic longs, bullish risk reversals, or just long call (or ratio) type plays with uncapped upside. There are plenty of people pushing mechanical sell-delta neutral-mkt ticker-45 d exp-blah-blah that win 90%+ etc. blah blah or Tasty Trade sell-premium with high IVR that honestly make no sense to me. Also, if you're using your capital to trade and generate 10% to 20% selling premiums on margin you're losing money if your margin rate is 12% and the S&P return is 25% which it has been around for a few years. Plus trading income is taxed whereas just investing in that S&P isn't until you use it. Be smart. You're lucky you live in the age of AI, use that. Good luck.

Charming_Raccoon4361

who wants to buy corewave debt? not even NVDA will buy it

goebela3

NVDA doesn’t make chips they design them. They said build a factory and make chips, that’s done by TSMC using designs from NVDA

SetzerWithFixedDice

I’m seen enough time travel fiction to know if he went back in time, he’s put all his money in $NVDA in 2020 only for the butterfly effect to make Nvidia go bankrupt and Domino’s Pizza becomes the first company to $5T

Aggravating-Buy-1695

Would you buy NVDA or META right now?

BluesFlute

Friedman had an interesting article in NYT today, suggesting the development of AI as the second Big Bang. He makes interesting points. Of course he is not a scientist, but, he travels and talks to a great many well informed people. He has access, in a very wide circle, which most of us do not. He is not a fool. He does not address investments. It makes sense to participate in AI growth. I’m just a casual user of ChatGPT. Happy to subscribe, great information. I’ve been long XLK, SMH, MSFT, NVDA

greenpride32

ORCL has over $650b in RPO. About $300b is tied to OpenAI, so even without them it's $350b. OpenAI is well funded and the big contract starts in 2027. So let's say OpenAI does not succeed long term; ORCL will still have collected large chunks of that $300b. The frontier lab exposure for ORCL isn't much different compared to AMZN/GOOGL/MSFT, main difference is those other companies have a larger margin for error. Estimates put VC investment into AI startups at the serveral hundred billions of dollars over past 3 years. I think there is a lot of confidence from the likes of NVDA, the larger hyperscalers, and the big long term investors that even if the currently leading AI frontier labs fail, there will be other parties to take in the demand. AI isn't going away. But the winners of that platform/application layer are still TBD.

Legitimate-Jury3878

Can NVDA go 10%+ tommorow? Lol

Legitimate-Jury3878

Elon ordering 40 billion in chips from NVDA and NVDA is all the way down to 211.

Western_Coffee_5445

i hope $NVDA goes down, gonna buy it up

Janubeary

NVDA is the last domino, just pray they dont go down

Western_Coffee_5445

$NVDA gonna pop tomorrow I can feel it... like a shook up bottle of champaign

strife97

GOOGL, WMT, AMZN, NVDA, but only when further than 10% below 52 week high

Melodic-Profit7079

probably missed another step where Anthropic is paying Spacex for the Compute which Spacex gets from buying the NVDA chips The whole worlds losing its shit with Anthropic being not profitable. Anthropic will be one of the most profitable companies ever. people dont realise how revolutionary AI is and how much a first mover advantage Anthropic and OpenAI have

PrettyInvestigator90

For me, a casual 100% pump of MU and NVDA over the week would be ideal. I will then cash out on Friday, put everything into my index fund and forget about it for about 20 years.

EvangelineRain

I sell 1-dte expiry put options, as well as longer term put options, and my strategy is different for both. For 1-dte options: SPY or QQQ. I'm not even sure there are any other options for 1 dte options. I favor SPY, because I'm most comfortable betting on the behavior of SPY. But sometimes QQQ pays meaningfully more than SPY, so I'll do QQQ instead or 50/50. For strike price, I aim to make $1,000 per day that I trade, looking generally in the range of $500 to $1,500. It's just a judgment call based on what strike prices are currently selling for, in light of the recent behavior of the market. Usually anywhere from $2 to $10 below the current trading price. Sometimes I decide the market is just too optimistic and I will skip that day entirely. For longer term options: SPY and TQQQ are my two that I sell put options for every quarterly future date. SPY I do staggered strike prices between 20% and 30% below the all time high price of the stock. TQQQ, more like 50% to 60% below the all time high. Then I have a few randoms thrown in, like SOXL, NVDA, MU, one GOOGL. The randoms are usually sold on days where I'm not selling a 1 dte put for whatever reason (either because the market is too optimistic, or because the market is down and I've been assigned).

mtnrnnr802

I need GOOGL to open at 375, ORCL 220, AAPL 360 and NVDA 250 or else I have to go to Mexico and start selling my organs

cockfield112

I have a polymarket bet that NVDA wont touch $208 in Oct. I'm retarted

PopoDontKnow

People compare AI to dot com.. It's just completely different. Demand is so high. NVDA is 8.5X cheaper than Cisco was folks.

aerohk

SpaceX is NVDA exclusive. So NVDA is getting 40B of new business from SpaceX?

Legitimate-Jury3878

RIP to my NVDA calls

Janubeary

NVDA is the one that cannot fall, so probably the safest investment

Legitimate-Jury3878

With NVDA still tank tomorrow

spendology

NVDA, maybe, for a while. What are we going to do with all these leftover tulips?

Bad_at_Stocks_33

No way... super bloodbath incoming with an Amazon warehouse full of NVDA gpus.

iloverunning11

Not really build-out. Those gpus don't last for a very long time and NVDA needs to grow so we will obviously see probably the most epic crash in the stock market history

Bagholder147

So NVDA

BillWWouldveDoneTSM

This one. I kinda wish I sold NVDA at the last ATH just rotate into this

snkscore

But Cisco was trading at a PE of 200 then. NVDA, Meta, Google, Microsoft, AMZN are all tradig at normal PEs. Obviously if folks suddenly stop spending on AI, NVDA is going to drop, but the others seem fine.

felixthecatmeow

Another aspect outside of just GPUs is AI training and inference is orders of magnitude more compute heavy than the vast majority of other cloud workloads. I'm a backend software engineer at a tech company that's top 20 in web traffic and our whole company's infrastructure outside of AI/ML workloads could run out of a single data center easily (disregarding issues with geographical latency and single point of failure). My team owns some services that handle billions of requests per day and collectively run on less than 100 CPU cores and 200GB of RAM. That's basically a single server and likely some headroom left on it for a scale that the vast majority of companies will never reach. Comparing that to AI, I ran some video generation models a while back and had a server with 128GB RAM and a 5090 and it would take minutes to generate a single 7 seconds video. Prior to AI the big 3 cloud providers weren't struggling to meet demand because while it was growing a lot, it was doing so at a rate that they could easily match because building a few new data centers would add a ton of capacity. So if AI demand suddenly fell off dramatically, I don't know if it would even be worth repurposing a lot of these DCs, unless there's new demand for a different type of compute heavy workload. All that to say it's not just NVDA. RAM demand and prices are through the roof, and companies like MU have seen their stock skyrocket. Same with high speed storage / SSDs.

InOurMomsButts420

Yea. I want to know I have a bunch in my back pocket, like PLTR, and then in 5-10 years or whatever it all blossoms. IMDX, albeit unrelated to the topic, and SMR are my load up and forget about it. OKLO i found out about riding back from an event with a coworker who lives out west. He got a tip from a guy he met at a bar traveling for work, and I still have a bunch of shares, but it’s doing what it’s doing right now. OKLO, PLTR, NVDA, SMR, IMDX are my ‘fun’ stocks I keep adding to right now.

sdoiaf

I was vaping at 2am, half-asleep, when some dude on Discord said NVDA calls were free money because of AI hype. I bought like ten contracts. Next day, earnings miss, extrinsic value evaporated faster than my nicotine buzz. Now I'm staring at a red screen realizing that every 'tip' is just delayed market manipulation by retail apes who think they're smarter than the algorithm. We are all just liquidity providers for someone else's exit strategy. Fuck em.

bad_detectiv3

indeed. SOXX and NVDA

sdoiaf

my NVDA puts are doing this to me rn lol