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sl3azebag

PEG PHAT CUK BJ BBC AND AZZ to the moon

East-Description-243

The Sex Six  PEG, PHAT, CUK, BJ, BBC, AZZ.

_hiddenscout

I’ve looked in Alcoa in the past. Just personally find thr business boring. Not saying it’s a bad business or investment l, just noting lol.  Yeah the website is stockanalysis.com It’s a great free tool, but the parameter for the screener are saved to thr client, like your phone or browser on your computer, so you can’t share.  I check both when researching since you get different data from both sometimes.  Yeah I find myself more of a GARPy style investor. Like I look at PE, but don’t filter pt screen for it. I use the PEG ratio instead. It takes into account EPS growth as well as earnings. So something can have a high PE, but since it’s also growing it’s EPS quickly, I don’t mind.  That was Peter Lynch’s metric for investing.  I think for most investors, unless you are being really speculative names, the big risk you run is over paying for something. Since if you over pay, you’ll miss out on returns.  Good example is Apple. Like it’s been pretty expensive and still kind of is. So if you bought it at the 250 range, like beginning of the year, you’re down on your investment. Doesn’t mean apple is a bad company nor does it mean you’ll never get returns, just will take longer. 

PayMyDividend

The most oversold it’s been (long term RSI) since at least 2003. And financial metrics are absurdly cheap. (PEG, PE’s, P/S, P/B, etc.) It’s been a growth beast increasing revenues at a CAGR of 28% since 2009 till now. But margins are quite puny. I can’t think of another stock its size or higher this insanely cheap. It may be sloppy in the short term. But it’s already priced for bankruptcy practically. Very strong chance if the immediate headwinds subside and it stays on its decent growth pace, it can easily be a $100+ stock. I bought around 150 share so far around a $34 average. I’ll be buying more incrementally. I’m VERY tempted to buy some 2027 calls. If it slides some more I may go that route too supplementally.

FarrisAT

The PEG requires margin to continue expanding Easier said than done with all the deals they are signing for live content

_hiddenscout

Sure, which is still expensive, but it's PEG is still using TTM PE, which is still at like 2. Which while the Sales aspect is expensive, their EPS growth has also been great as well. You shouldn't just use a single metric like PE to valuate a company. I like using both Forward and Trailing PE because when investing, the idea of an investment is generally the idea of future cash flows.

_hiddenscout

To each their own, I also don't own Netflix or Spotify, but neither looked priced to perfection to me. There are expensive, but not like that insane of fundamentals. Like NFLX is looking at 41X forward sales with a PEG of 2.17. [https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=NFLX&ty=c&ta=1&p=d](https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=NFLX&ty=c&ta=1&p=d) That's pricey, but by no means like priced for perfection compared to other names out there. You can make an argument that NFLX might just trade a premium due to the name brand, moat, and also the fact they are doing a good job at running the company. If you look at their metrics from a quarterly level here: [https://quickfs.net/company/NFLX:US](https://quickfs.net/company/NFLX:US) Back in Dec 22, Netflix had 31% gross margins with a ROIC of 13%. Last quarter, they now have 50.1% gross margins with a ROIC of 23.4%. Operating Margins went from \~20% range to last quarter was 31.7%. EPS grow has been solid as well. Like EPS was around like $10 in 2022 for the full year and last year was around $20. I think if it pulls back, you'll see a ton of buying again. Expensive, yes, but it's not the worst name/valuation out there.

reespaul001

All picks should be good investments with PEG ratio below 1.5 and low to manageable debt. Companies selected should all be growing revenue, and the GPT should be searching for future tailwinds that you need to be aware of.

joe4942

PLTR 103 P/S, PE 598, PEG 18. Just lol.

Ok-Drag6255

**1.Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSM)** Fundamental Analysis TSM is the world leader in semiconductor foundry services, commanding about 60% of the global foundry market and 90% of advanced nodes. The company’s revenue growth is robust, with a 29% increase in 2024 and projected 25% in 2025, driven by surging demand for AI chips from clients like Nvidia. Adjusted earnings growth is expected at +35% for 2024 and +27% for 2025. Its forward P/E of approximately 21.9x and a PEG ratio below sector averages reflect attractive valuation given the growth. TSM generates strong free cash flow and pays a dividend, supported by a solid balance sheet. The company mitigates geopolitical risks by expanding manufacturing facilities in the U.S. and Japan. **Options Chain & Volatility** TSM’s options show moderate implied volatility (IV) elevated by geopolitical risk factors (Taiwan Strait tensions). The IV Rank is mid to high, indicating options are pricier than usual but reasonable for growth stocks. Open interest clusters around near-the-money strikes with liquid expirations 30-90 days out. Volume spikes occur near earnings and macro events. **Technicals & Price/Volume** TSM trades near its 50-day moving average with strong support at the 200-day moving average. RSI readings are neutral (50-60), and MACD recently crossed positively, indicating upward momentum. Volume on up days is above average, signaling institutional accumulation. **Alternative Data & Sentiment** Institutional ownership is high, with insider buying reported, reinforcing confidence. Social sentiment on platforms like X (Twitter) and Reddit is positive, buoyed by TSM’s role in AI chip fabrication. ETF flows into semiconductor-focused funds support mechanical buying pressure. ***Options Play Bull Call Spread: Buy 1-month 130 strike call, sell 1-month 140 strike call. This strategy balances cost and upside potential, leveraging expected earnings-driven appreciation while limiting risk. Entry is optimal after technical confirmation of support holds and volume upticks. Theta decay is moderate; Vega exposure is positive due to event-driven volatility.***

No_Ask_2990

I love Sezl’s finances. It’s PEG is 0.04 something and it’s the revenue growth is so high. But alot of people are very skeptical of the loans not being paid back, especially considering their whole shtick is that they are giving loans to younger people who are usually ineligible for credit scores or something like that. Plus Ofcourse there’s heavy competition and Sezzle doesn’t seem to be doing anything TOO different that it seems like they’ll come out on top. What was your reason for investing? What conclusion did you come to?

No_Ask_2990

I heavily agree with you. Sezzle seems so generic and copy-paste especially their “investor’s presentation”. I was especially attracted to their financials though. Revenue growth (YoY) of 92% and Revenue growth (FWD) of 52%. PEG GAAP of 0.08 and PEG NON-GAAP of 0.21. EBIT Margin of 55%

zedk47

We're in 2025. P/E, PEG, profitability... who cares? It's all about the flow and storytelling!

MajesticEngineerMan

You could look at the PEG ratio which considers projected future growth of the company

dorkstafarian

Forward P/E (without the accounting gimmicks) is low 30s. But it has PEG of 0.8, which is quite low.

Repulsive-Ruin3789

Check $GPN (Global Payments) – literally the most boringly profitable company out there right now. Forward P/E = 6. PEG = 0.6. That’s deep value in a cashless world. Every time someone taps a card, they get paid. Not sexy, but they’re everywhere – retail, e-com, mobile, B2B. Stock’s been beaten down while they quietly buy back shares, raise guidance, and spit out $2B+ in free cash flow. Not financial advice, but if you don’t like money – keep ignoring it

RainieY

It has a PEG ratio of 1.36, it's not cheap but it's not very expensive either. MSFT for example has a PEG ratio of 2.5, I would definitely not buy. NVDA has been flat for a year despite beating estimates. It's arguably the most important company in the world, possibly the decade. There's a reason why the US places strong restrictions, that alone should tell you enough about why it deserves a premium. So far, it has only been a few mega corps fueling the earnings but arguably every government in the world will want to develop its own AI infrastructure and not rely on different countries since it affects national security. The same way every country has its own websites and agencies, they will want to own, develop and control their own AI infrastructure instead of renting from the US or foreign governments and will have to buy NVDA to do so.

Impossible-Try1096

6% is only market cap and does not take into account underlying fundamentals (as if they really mean anything). NVDA: Valuation Ratios The trailing PE ratio is 49.77 and the forward PE ratio is 31.85. NVIDIA's PEG ratio is 1.10. PE Ratio 49.77 Forward PE 31.85 PS Ratio 25.47 Forward PS 17.24 PB Ratio 44.89 P/TBV Ratio 48.54 P/FCF Ratio 52.25 P/OCF Ratio 49.44 PEG Ratio 1.10 Net Cash Per Share $1.78 Book Value Per Share 3.44 AMD: Valuation Ratios The trailing PE ratio is 104.70 and the forward PE ratio is 35.41. AMD's PEG ratio is 1.36. PE Ratio 104.70 Forward PE 35.41 PS Ratio 8.38 Forward PS 7.09 PB Ratio 4.00 P/TBV Ratio 15.84 P/FCF Ratio 84.46 P/OCF Ratio 67.22 PEG Ratio 1.36 Net Cash Per Share $1.59 Book Value Per Share 35.82

ratskin69

Google is overvalued? Have you seen their PEG ratio?

_hiddenscout

You can also look at PEG. So companies can actually have a decline in revenue growth but also still increase margins, which means they can actually generate more FCF with less revenue. Plus you can add in things like stock buybacks. Like a name I own, LMB went through that process: [https://quickfs.net/company/LMB:US](https://quickfs.net/company/LMB:US) If you look at the quarterly numbers, they had decline in revenues since like Dec 2023 to Sept 2024. However, they grew EPS during that same time period because they increased their margins. Also during that time period of revenue decline, because the company was making more money, they were able to increase ROIC as well.

ittrut

Lmao what are these tickers BBC and PEG etc

IamNoob1998

Buying calls on $PEG isn't gay right? Asking for a friend

imnishesh

https://preview.redd.it/fv87uqvase8f1.png?width=1574&format=png&auto=webp&s=81254b36a10ebe9c856b1136beaddf379833e061 I just wanted to read some advice on how to deal with fallout from the Iran/Israel/US war, all I see is $AZZ, $PHAT, $PEG, $BBC, and $CUK

irobinbhatia

AZZ PHAT PEG? the heck u lads up to

SuspiciousStable9649

Okay, how did you guys manage to get PHAT AZZ PEG BBC BJ CUK trending? Bravo.

Maximumm_Drawdowns

^PEG and AZZ calls it is. They seem very undervalued and due for a bounce.

Lazy_Sugar892

Who put $CUK $PEG $BJ $BBC and $PHAT on the board 💀💀

dax9310

Good evening, I would like some advice on investing in general I am looking to invest to secure my retirement initially, 30 years old, employee, French resident, relatively long investment horizon. I have an envelope of between 350 to 500 euros per month. I have 3 months of social security on Livret A I have a CTO on Trade R where I currently have ETFs and shares. A Pea also and a PEG (Pee) I would like to have the architecture of the investment / investment tools to have to optimize as best as possible. On the life insurance side, I find it difficult to have a clear opinion because there are a lot of pros and cons in the discussions. I understood that the golden rule was to hunt fresh; for example, I saw products at Linxea that were apparently suitable. Real estate ? Scpi? Also I am well aware of the risks that the investment can cause. Thank you in advance

RainieY

AMD has a lower 2026 forward P/E than NVDA but NVDA does have a lower PEG at the moment but not that much. The issue is that inference is becoming more important and you don't need very expensive GPUs to do inference, you can use cheaper AMD GPUs. If NVDA lowers prices than it will lose on margins. I don't think it will be possible to maintain high margins if they compete on inference by lowering prices. NVDA will still do well because it's early and it's a growing market, all companies are still competing for GPUs to train the best models. However, AMD is 1/10th of the market cap of NVDA, they have more room to run and grow, especially because they are aiming for the larger inference market.

RandomC6

He is actually right. NVDA has a lower PE ratio, lower Fwd PE Ratio, higher Gross Margin, higher FCF margin, better PEG ratio. Even advanced rating models favor NVDA. I own none of them, so I am not pushing anything.

Working-Active

I'm not going to pretend to know more than the analysts who cover Broadcom, but 27 have it rated as a buy with $289 price target and only 2 say hold and there's no sell rating. It's a growing up, it's still growing and if you look at the 5 year PEG ratio of 1.44 it's premium priced but you're getting a company that is consistently going up every quarter by a lot.

Electrical_Catch_919

I asked chat gpt to do my dd 🔍 1. Business Overview Plug Power (NASDAQ: PLUG) is a hydrogen and fuel cell systems company founded in 1997 and headquartered in Latham, NY. They provide electrolyzers, hydrogen fueling, and fuel cell solutions—primarily to material handling, industrial, and energy sectors  . ⸻ 2. Recent Performance & Developments • Strategic Deals: • June 9, 2025: Announced a major 2 GW electrolyzer deal in Uzbekistan with Allied Green, expanding their global footprint alongside a 3 GW project in Australia . • Insider Buying: • CFO Paul Middleton bought 650,000 shares at ~$1.03 on June 9, signaling confidence in the strategy . • Operational Update: • Completed the St. Gabriel, LA, hydrogen plant—their second-largest. Undergoing cost-saving via “Project Quantum Leap,” including layoffs and focus on margin improvement . • Legal/Regulatory: • Settled a $600k overtime lawsuit in May; the cost-cutting plan includes staffing reductions . ⸻ 3. Financial Metrics & Valuation • Revenue: • Q1 2025 revenue: $134 M vs. guidance. • Q2 2025 forecast: $140–180 M . • Profitability: • Q1 loss: $196 M. • 2024 full-year net loss: $2.1 B; 2023 net loss: $1.4 B . • Margins & Cash Flow: Operating cash flow rose 46% year-over-year; gross margin loss remains high (122% in Q4 2024) . • Balance Sheet & Liquidity: • Completed a $280 M equity raise in March. • U.S. $1.66 B federal loan guarantee announced in January—supporting growth and credibility   . • Valuation Ratios: Metric Value Notes P/E Ratio ~–0.5 Trailing P/E negative . PEG Ratio –0.13 to –0.3 Negative, reflecting unprofitable and declining earnings . P/S Ratio ~2.2 In line with peers . P/B Ratio ~0.8 Suggests undervaluation or low expected returns from assets . 4. Management & Ownership • CFO recently bought a large block of shares (~650k)—a bullish insider signal . • No notable recent insider sales reported—an encouraging sign. ⸻ 5. Risks & Outlook • Financial Losses: Large net losses and unprofitable margins—still early in growth phase. • Cost-Cutting Pressure: Workforce reductions and disposing of Chinese components due to tariffs . • Execution Risk: Delivery and scaling of large electrolyzer projects (including Uzbekistan deal). • Regulation/Legal: Settled wage lawsuit; exposure to tariff and supply chain risk. ⸻ ✅ Summary & Investment Thesis • Strengths: • Strong insider conviction. • Major infrastructure deals globally. • Government backing via large loan guarantee. • Solid revenue growth and improved operating cash flow. • Challenges: • Still deep in net losses and negative margins. • Valuation metrics reflect unprofitability. • Dependence on execution of capital-intensive projects. Verdict: Plug Power is a high-risk, high-reward growth play in the green hydrogen space. If projects and cost-cutting efforts succeed, they have scalability potential. But current unprofitability and execution risks shouldn’t be ignored.

JollyManufacturer529

Still here. Forward PEG of 8.9 is insane.

Laiyned

Most of the advice here is very, very bad. Don’t buy dividends (you can do your own research, but they are just objectively worse than ETFs because of taxes and lower returns). There is ZERO need to diversify with individual stocks—if anything, doing that for the sake of it is often stupid and a portfolio killer. The S&P is plenty of diversification with very reliable, stable gains and should be the only foundation you need for your portfolio (40-60%). If your time horizon is larger than 5+ years, just buy shares in amazing companies. Price really doesn’t not matter, besides the fact you should leverage even more if macro / some external event forces the stock to a discount. NVDA and MSFT are great candidates. You want to look for stocks in the top 50-100 of the S&P with great cash flow, great growth, low debt, and reasonable PE / PEG ratios. Cut / trim position not when the price is high, but when the fundamentals of the company begin changing.

_hiddenscout

Makes sense. For me, the problem is I see like the same 60 companies every day I screen lol. That's why I call it the base one. I'll make tweaks from time to time just to find new companies to research. Like keep the PEG under 2, but what if I lowered the revenue growth to like 5% and then upped the EPS to like 15%. Now i'm looking at companies that might not be fast growers, but they are probably increasing their margins, which means they are making more FCF off less money. Or they are buying back a bunch of stocks, but it's another way to look for great businesses. Like I found LMB a long time ago, one of the best performing stocks I've ever bought. If you look at their growth numbers, especially per quarter: [https://quickfs.net/company/LMB:US](https://quickfs.net/company/LMB:US) It's not the great revenue growth story, but look at the EPS growth and their gross margins, both are growing really nicely. This is because LMB shifted their business model like a year or two ago. They do HVAC and in the past they would do one time installs. They switched over to a model where they work with companies to do maintance and then help them lower power bills. That type of business is higher margin. So since they make more money, notice the growth of the ROIC as well. I enjoy researching companies, so that's why I just like to think of the screener as a filter and then do the research from there.

_hiddenscout

As a fellow person who screens, I think you are putting a few too many restrictions in place in order to find some quality companies. Like for example, this is usually what I call my "base screener". I just start out there and will tweak it from time to time. [https://finviz.com/screener.ashx?v=111&f=fa\_epsqoq\_o5%2Cfa\_peg\_u2%2Cfa\_quickratio\_o1%2Cfa\_roi\_o10%2Cfa\_salesqoq\_o10&ft=2&o=industry](https://finviz.com/screener.ashx?v=111&f=fa_epsqoq_o5%2Cfa_peg_u2%2Cfa_quickratio_o1%2Cfa_roi_o10%2Cfa_salesqoq_o10&ft=2&o=industry) I like to use a PEG under 2 rather than any PE. A PEG takes into EPS growth as well, so basically something could have a high PE, but if the EPS is growing super fast as well, I think it's worth a higher multiple. It was also Peter Lynch's go to metric. I then look at sales growth QoQ and EPS QoQ. I just look quarter over quarter, since I want to see what companies are growing right now. The whole point of a screener isn't just to find the company and invest in them, but it's just to limit the amount of companies you need to research. So with adding in a quick ratio over 1, just means they should have a good control of debt and invetory and then ROIC over 10%, I end up with 62 companies. So that point about research, it's much easier now to start looking into names. Basically from there, I start looking to any names in industries I like. I post a lot in the daily and ISSC for example is one that I've posted about and found in the screener. Example of posting about ISSC 2 months ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/1k5uxu1/comment/molsdg7/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/1k5uxu1/comment/molsdg7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

not_a_cumguzzler

have you heard of PLTR? it's PEG, PS, every ratio you can think of, is worse than TSLA's. So i bought some PLTR puts today and proceeded to get rekt

ElTorteTooga

FWIW ChatGPT says it’s a little overvalued right now. I used the following prompt if you want to give it a go. Give me a real-time fair value analysis of Rubrik $RBRK Include the following: • Current stock price and recent performance (past 1 week, 1 month, and YTD) • Analyst price targets and consensus (buy/sell/hold) • Key valuation ratios: P/E, PEG, P/B, EV/EBITDA, etc. • Intrinsic valuation estimates (e.g., DCF or comparables) • Any recent earnings results or major news affecting valuation • Compare it to peers and sector averages • Market sentiment or investor outlook Based on this information, is the stock currently undervalued, overvalued, or fairly priced

_hiddenscout

Looks like $ITRN has bounced back from the little sell off after earnings. Great company that I'm long on. Boring, but a great compounder. For everyone who talks about the "whole" market being expensive, you can find some decent steals out there. This trades at TTM PE of 14, Forward PE of 12. PEG 1.38. Revenue growth is nothing too exciting, but solid EPS growth and pays a 5% dividend.

EvolvingDior

Forward PE of 36 and a PEG of almost 3 for an industrial? LOL.

creemeeseason

Weekend rumination: With all the scanners and screeners available, and millions (billions?) of people watching and trading the S&P500 stocks....low P/E is probably not a sign of "value" in those names. The sign of value is that you see something in that company that the market does not. Example: GOOG is trading at 19.28x P/E. Everyone knows this. GOOG is trading at 1.49 PEG, so the market thinks it's fair for the earnings projections that exist. It's only undervalued if: 1) earnings projections are low, or 2) there's a case to be made for the market paying a higher multiple in the future. (All numbers per finviz, your screener may differ).

aronnax512

Palantir had negative earnings 2020-23, the went from a PEG of around 1 for 2024 and it's at a PEG of ~5 today. It's way out over its skis here. It's probably time to stop betting it all on black, or at least look up the Kelly Criterion for betting and investment to peel some of your winnings and putting them into boring shit.

Salty_Year1985

Anyone catching the knives on REGN? Trailing P/E of 14.44 Forward P/E of 16.27  PEG ratio of 1.48 Net margin of 31.95% and gross margin of 85.79% Down 20% today.

_hiddenscout

It's your money, do what you think is best, but just because something is off a high doesn't mean it's a buy. You should look into the fundamentals of the business to decide if the price makes sense or not. With Apple, you don't really have a risk of bankruptcy, but you run the risk of over paying for it, which will eat into your long term gains. At the current price, Apple still isn't that great of a deal imo: [https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=AAPL&p=d](https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=AAPL&p=d) You are still paying 25X forward earnings, with a PEG of 3.8. If you think 20% is good discount, go for it. However, you can use that same logic, Apple dipped from 260 to 209, which was around 20% in December to March. So if you bought at 209 levels, which is the 20% dip, you would still be down 4% on the investment.

SeriuoslyCasual

Or NVDA. Their PE and PEG ratios are NOT extreme by any means. GOOG is actually CHEAP.

FarrisAT

They really are not high Their PEG ratio should be what matters. And on that they are perfectly average. Except Tesla. Fuck Tesla

Comprehensive-Tea121

So to go with your flawed analogy, you like to invest in Israel? Although you seem to be expressing some sort of anti-Semitism towards all Jews. My family hates the Netanyahu administration just for the record, internet asshole. Go buy more Tesla the PEG ratio is 4. Glad to know you love Nazis. Name checks out.

Amurphy747

PE of 80…is pretty good if a companies revenue just doubled YOY for a high growth internet company that is currently going through international expansion - Wall Street is valuing this on a EV / Sales basis and they have no debt to consider so it’s literally equity value to debt. They aren’t valuing it on P/E ratios or PEG. Still I’m not valuing it off PE, it’s a great company that is profitable with a unique product that will be hard to replicate and I use the product. On top of that: the sentiment for the stock is the lowest it has been, so I like the name. I don’t like buying when everybody loves a name unanimously.

jazerac

Please explain how a PEG of 2.7 and a PE of 80 is "undervalued" by a mile? Even at $100 a share, its WAY overvalued at current levels.

jazerac

The PE and PEG for reddit is much higher than other social platforms... it is not cheap

jazerac

Lmao RDDT..... ridiculous PE and a PEG ratio over 2.... this thing is OVERVALUED right now, even at the discounted price. Advertising dollars just convert well on Reddit compared to other social platforms due to the user base.

jazerac

Fair point on Nvidia, but that is the rare winner. How about the others that have failed? Chances of a stock with a high PE ratio performing well long term can be low, especially during boom cycles. Regardless, the point is that the upside is priced in significantly with rddt. The PEG ratio is over 2, meaning its overvalued. Even at $100, this stock is over valued. Thanks for indicating my IQ is 20. Guess dumb dumbs like myself can make millions still. Gotta love this country.

jazerac

And the PEG for RDDT is above 2.... still overvalued.

GrumpyScroogy

Using PE instead of PEG ratio. 20 IQ investors. Nvidia was 200 PE ratio, but smart people it was growing 50%+ a year to justify that.

GrumpyScroogy

What fool uses PE nowadays, use PEG ratio.

_hiddenscout

I don't really follow too many of these names, but the valuations seem really out of whack as well. Looking at something like DOW. Forward PE is 46, PEG is 4.48 ROIC last year was like 3%. Last year revenue growth was down 3% after following a year of revenue growth decling 21%. Gross margins going down as well as operating margins. At least with DOW, seems like they had a crazy year in 2021 and probably explains why the stock peaked then at like 70 dollars.

EvolvingDior

Dude, Duolingo's PE and PEG are stupid. You did good.

rriggsco

Even good companies like ADI have stupid PE and PEG ratios, making them overpriced.

_hiddenscout

I think we talked about it like last quarter too. They aren't a terrible buy, just the whole analog space has been shit for chips for a while now. I just personally don't like to buy things with a PEG that high. However, if you dig them, it's still not like the worst valuation out there.

rriggsco

It has a PEG of 4. Meanwhile, Tesler has a PEG of 12.

Euthyphraud

I personally believe we will see a K-shaped recession, meaning that entire sectors and many industries will contract into a true recession while a smaller number of specific industries continue to outperform or even increase further in profitability. Controversially I think it applies to the whole 'AI/Data Center' trade. Most expected the hyperscalers to suggest they are cutting back on capex while seeing diminished guidance and earnings misses from companies involved in building data centers primarily for AI. However that is the opposite of what we see, with the most AI/Data Centered companies proving highly resilient and at worst meeting expectations. CapEx spending is actually likely to continue *increasing* with the rise of sovereign AI and countries seizing on the idea that it is critical to any country's national security. I personally believe we are in the early innings of a new global race for AI superiority, with most countries seeing government owned data centers running government controlled AI are seen as necessary for security and economic competition. *AI and Data Centers represent the new nuclear arms race.* The more some countries pursue it, the more necessary it becomes for other countries to do so as well. The consideration in the pursuit of it will be primarily due to national security concerns, meaning that trying to keep costs low and a slowdown in economically hard times are much less likely considerations driving profitability in the industry. I am cautiously remaining heavily investing in the AI/Data Center supply chain. It's overvalued right now and I am holding, not buying. However I do believe that these stocks will continue to outperform over the coming years. The global economic order that has been in place not only from the end of the gold standard to today but rather in place sense the end of WWII is gone. It's skeleton remains in place, but it is deteriorating. We are witnessing a 'regionalization' where we see blocs of allied countries cooperating as a unit with other such alliances. The EU, China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Japan, South Korea, etc. will all be separate poles of influence with most being some sort of superpower alongside the USA. Most global supply chains that remain intact after Covid will begin to collapse and undergo massive transformations aimed at autarkic approaches to industrial development, and in more liberal countries friendshoring as well. We cannot expect the rules that have dictated the performance of stocks to remain the same as they have been for the past 80 years. There are new rules still being written. The new global economic and geopolitical order will take at least a decade, likely two, to fully 'settle' into a new equilibrium with clearer, reformed new rules and institutions. How valuations are considered, what factors drive stock premiums, changing views on industries central to the new economic focuses of most countries, etc. are all up in the air. There isn't a strong reason to believe that traditional metrics for valuation like P/E; PEG; Cash Flow, etc. will continue to maintain or revert to their pre-Covid significance. The economy, valuations and how stock price movements are determined no longer play by the old rules and the new rules are mostly yet to be written. We're in a wild west period for investing where uncertainty and volatility are likely to be greatly exacerbated for many years.

Few_Ad4416

Seems like that, right? I truly believe the stock market is in for a 30 to 40% fall over the next six months. I plan to buy when PE ratios, and now my new favorite statistic PEG ratios, look better.

Few_Ad4416

Hey, thanks! I had not heard of this PEG ratio. Here it is calculated for Tesla https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/tsla/price-earnings-peg-ratios

Mobile-Bar7732

For growth companies it's best to use PEG Ratio. It uses forecasted earnings. A PEG of less than 2 is good. But yeah, I totally agree. Prices are ridiculous for many companies like Tesla for example. I have a sneaking feeling Musk has paid an automated trader to prop up his stock.

onehandedbackhand

5.3x revenue, Forward P/E of 32 and Forecast 12 Month Forward PEG Ratio of 2.89. For a hotel company? It doesn't look cheap to me, even with the 15% discount. Why are you bullish?

SmoothAdis

Well, it really depends on the perspective we're talking about. When I invest, I always look at many metrics like P/E, PEG, ROA, FCF, etc. But the most important thing is the fundamentals: the moat, the leadership, and their deeper purpose – what they are truly trying to achieve. Let’s say all the metrics are perfect and we only need to focus on fundamentals, as I mentioned earlier. Then my list would look like this: **Alphabet (Google)** – I strongly believe people will continue to use services like Maps, Gmail, Google Drive, Android, and YouTube for many years to come. It will be like Coca-Cola – deeply integrated into everyday life. **Microsoft** would be my number two. I’m not currently invested due to high valuation metrics, but it’s on my watchlist. **Meta (Facebook)** would be number three on this list and is currently number two in my portfolio. It’s harder to determine number four and five. While I do invest in Alphabet and Meta, I also hold **Nvidia** and **United Therapeutics** – but I can’t say with full conviction that they’ll stand the test of time. I invested in them mainly because of strong financial metrics and their relevance in today’s world. My number four and five would probably come from this group: **Visa**, **Mastercard**, **Coca-Cola**, **Pepsi**, **BlackRock**, or **Interactive Brokers (IBKR).**

anygal

I am living solely from investing for half a decade now, what I can tell to you is what was working for me: forget about trading signals, ichimoku, candles, forget about short-term trading. Invest solely about fundamentals: PEG, PE, price to sales, debt, always compare the company to others in its own sector and industry. Yes, you can also do this with penny stocks. I always start with screening through search sites like the stock screener on finviz.com , then always check out the website and management of the company, and also their financial filings, because sometimes the data is false on screener sites. Also, never ever invest into chinese sites. They love to cook their books, even if they are audited by the best auditors out there. The China Hustle is a must watch!

klasp100

P/E ratio itself does not matter. PEG is important.

Alone-Supermarket-98

The stock market does not appear to be "disgustingly overpriced". You say the market is trading at 28x,but forgot to mention that is against trailing earnings. S&P 500 TTM eps were $230.76, but forward eps are $276.10, which means the market is trading about 21x eps, just a bit above average. However, this also means that the S&P eps growth is about +20%, which is above average, and gives the market a 1.38x PEG ratio, which is right in the middle of it's long term range. Additionally, the S&P earnings yield is about +2% over its dividend yield, which is again, right in line with long term averages, and profit margins are at all time highs and continuing to rise. While valuations have bounced off recent lows, they are a long way from "disgustingly overvalued". That said, we could see a breather in market momentum, so maybe your puts work out, but it likely wont be because valuations are extended.

Prudent-Corgi3793

Not a bear--I've stayed invested in 100% equities, but I've changed asset classes including more international. I think the S&P 500 has about 5% more upside, but **at least** 20% more downside if things go south after the tariff pauses. I hate stock picking, but I'm starting to target selective stocks that have better fundamentals. I'm encouraged that the S&P 500 and others stocks are rebounding, but if this is primarily driven by retail, I don't want to be left holding the bag. Additionally, if crypto, crypto-adjacent plays, and meme stocks are taking "leadership" during this rally, you can miss me with that shit. I'm not sure what to buy at this point in the US: \- GOOG: this is my highest conviction play, and I think it should be trading at a premium to the market, rather than a 25% discount, but I don't want to overconcentrate my portfolio. \- NVDA: this is my "offense" play and the only other stock I own currently. Its PEG ratio is quite reasonable but if it ever starts missing, look out. \- Other big tech (MSFT, AMZN, META, AVGO): liked them during the April lows (but not as much as GOOG and NVDA), don't like them anymore \- Consumer staples: WMT and COST are already really overpriced \- Health care: probably reasonable from a valuation standpoint, but too much uncertainty (and I'm exposed to this with my job) \- Small cap value: looks great from a valuation standpoint, but this group got fucked the hardest after liberation day. Not sure I want to buy back in after a 20% rebound when we might be dealing with this nonsense again in 2-3 months \- Large cap value: I don't have time to research each stock to screen out the value traps. I could go with an ETF--I'd be missing out on the reasonably valued big tech companies (which I feel are the only real reason to invest in America right now), but at least I wouldn't be bagholding a bunch of overinflated meme stocks when the bubble pops.

dorkstafarian

Not really.. It's a GAAP accounting artifact, existing on paper only. I has to do with the amortization of goodwill from the Xilinx acquisition.. spread out over time. This has the effect of lowering their earnings on paper, which lowers taxes. 1 year fwd P/E is 25.9 according to Google. Non GAAP for 2024 around 31. PEG is 0.5-0.9 though...

ContemplatingGavre

It’s valued at a PEG of 1

BanditoBoom

100% agree with this. I don’t have the time this weekend but would love to see the PEG for Google, excluding search. They are quietly dominating AI integration. Their stake in SpaceX was recently quoted at like $8 billion alone. YouTube is the largest streaming platform out there. Google cloud is booming. Gemini has, at MINIMUM, caught up to everyone else, Waymo is just absolutely SICK, and they have other bets working as well. Not to mention that search will not “die”. Worst case scenario they have less market share. People are sleeping on Google. My wife and I now own 200 shares. Looking to buy more.

FindingLost21

PE ratio is only good for a point in time and fails to take into account the most important fact, earnings GROWTH. Go back and look at AMZN’s PE ratio, revenue, and PEG ratio for the past 20 years.

joe4942

Quite ridiculous: * Google income: $111B * Google P/E: 17 * Google PEG: 1.3 * Apple income: $97B * Apple P/E: 30 * Apple PEG: 3.67 Google is still growing fast. Apple is hardly growing.

chird_

Here’s my write up on Shoals technologies Shoals Technologies (SHLS) is one of the most undervalued plays I’ve seen in the renewable energy space. With the global push toward clean energy and the rise of AI, demand for power infrastructure is only going up — and Shoals is right in the middle of that. They focus on EBOS (electrical balance of system) solutions, and they’re making a big push into supporting large data centers, which is smart given how AI is scaling fast. The stock’s trading around $4.40, but my fair value estimate comes out to $12.95, giving it a margin of safety of over 65%. The PEG ratio is only 0.37, which is insane for a growth stock — it’s clearly being overlooked right now. What really stands out is the combo of cheap valuation and solid financials. Forward PE is 8.45, price-to-free cash flow is 10.23, and they’ve got a strong balance sheet with low debt (debt/equity is just 0.25). Free cash flow yield is over 8%, and they’ve got good liquidity with a current ratio above 2. They’re not blowing the doors off with returns yet (ROIC is 4.42%), but at this price, you’re getting serious upside potential in a sector that’s only going to get bigger. I think it’s a great long-term entry point while the market’s still sleeping on it.

_hiddenscout

Agreed, it has slowed down, but last quarter, it was was up like 14% QoQ. Also sounds like they did a merger with another company, Matrix IT. >The announced MOU for merging Magic Software into Matrix I.T represents a transformational strategic move that would create a technology services powerhouse with $2.1 billion in combined revenue. This positions the merged entity among the largest publicly traded IT services companies in both U.S. and European markets. However, fundamentals, still have like a forward PE of 12, PEG of 1.64 and strong insider onwnership. Plus you get a nice little dividend on top of it. [https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=MGIC&p=d](https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=MGIC&p=d) However, trading view still has the annual growth being slow for the next two years. [https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/NASDAQ-MGIC/forecast/](https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/NASDAQ-MGIC/forecast/)

Potential-Rate7267

This wave of analysis is clear, especially the DCF and PEG breakdowns have made me revisit my own valuation assumptions for AAPL.The current price may indeed be above the intrinsic value ceiling and it may be more prudent to wait for a pullback

Petit_Nicolas1964

In my opinion it‘s a good idea to sell some Crowdstrike for NVDA. CRWD‘s valuation is high while Nvidia is trading at a fwd PEG ratio of around 0.75. Despite the tariff-induced recession fears hyperscalers don‘t plan to cut savings, which is bullish for NVDA.

iStillLikeD2

There were people that looked at UBER trading at 15 p/e, 0.7 PEG and didn't buy any, 

spazquick815

I think at $400 the gap in valuations (PE, FWD, PEG) has pretty much closed with its peers. UNH did also mention that most of its higher costs are addressable and they are glad they found them early. I think a lot has to do with them pulling back on claims denials given the scrutiny and they’ll probably go back to being more stringent. They’ve commanded a more premium valuation given they are the most diversified business also owning Optum. I expect this to recover but crazy it was near $600 at one point and now it’s here.

richbeezy

Uh, yes growth definitely matters. It's the PEG ratio is a better indicator. Been at this for 25 years and have a finance degree.

_hiddenscout

FIEM and MPTI are both pretty similar with a lot of revenue coming from satellite components. KRMN just went IPO a few months ago, but really haven't heard anyone mention them. Just both are expensive from a fundamental standpoint, that is what I mean about not being my style. I'm not really a value investor as much as a GARP one. I don't mind stock that look expensive, as long as the PEG makes sense, since that also looks at EPS growth and not just PE ratio. Both of them are just really expensive names, so I'm not worried about them going bankrupt as much as just over paying for them and not getting a return on my investment.

rgbose

I'm sore from Tesler's PEG ration.

Neat_Instance_4660

Dude is talking about a PEG ratio lol

zedk47

Looking at revenues, growth, margin, PER, PEG... for investing. We're in 2025 man! That's the story that matters!

Key_Yesterday5264

Instead of saying what my fair price is (for me is too expensive to do a deep dive), I want to compare it to other companies. Similar in the field TGT, 2 fintechs and googl |Ticker|2026 - fPE|EV/EBIDTA|PEG| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |COST|48.9|35.56|**5.83**| |TGT|9.8|6.65|**1.97**| |SOFI|27.5|\-|**1.23**| |XYZ|11|24.51|**0.50**| |GOOGL|16.6|13.74|**1.55**| All of these companies are cheaper than COST imo. Even if it's continues to grow 10%/y, how much more expensive can it be. My mind is made, but I wanted to see the other side. The side of COST enjoyers. What is their fair price.

_hiddenscout

Happens man. Can't win them all. Still one of my favorite buys from the last few years. Same with LMB. Just saying, even at these levels, it's not like crazy expensive. Forward PE of like 19. PEG of 1.89 I mean even the EV/Sales is 1.85 Just keep it on a watchlist and buy when it dips at some point.

Crazy_Donkies

FYI. Wait until you notice Hilton and Marriott \[2 weeks ago\] had a higher forward PE ratio than NVDA. PEG was higher too. Hilton at forward PE 24 to 27, vs NVDA 21 to 23 is retarded. Up 150% now on a $30k bet.

_hiddenscout

They are a little cheaper than BSX from a PE stand point, but the PEG isn’t bad. They do a great job on acquiring new companies and have a great balance sheet.  Overall great long term compounder with the possibility of being acquired one day. It’s only like a 1B market cap.  Seem to be growing internationally. It does have its bear cases like any company, but they fit into a set and forget type company in my mind. 

Hukcleberry

Ah right yes I did forget PEG is more relevant here

dorkstafarian

You forget that Tesla was being evaluated on a PEG basis, which is what's used for growth companies. It wasn't all hype with 30% YoY growth expectations. If Wall Street sees flat growth as the new normal, then PE will revert to 30.

whodey84

PEG ratio is still way too high. When they lower guidance it's fucked

Much-Dealer3525

You like the PEG ratio?

Silver_Variety_1108

I am hoping for $TIGR to rebound soon! I hope Trump will announce a China Trade deal. I am mostly a fundamental stock investor! I feel that TIGR is very undervalued and is growing fast with a PEG ratio less than 1. This could be similar to APP when it went from about $75 to about $500 in a few months. I’m not saying it will be that amazing, but the risk/reward to me favors the upside with the PE ratio so low IMHO!

Pretty-Spot-8197

Key Numbers for Palantir: P/E: 493.85 Forward P/E: 138 P/S: 76.44 PEG: 16.45 What am I missing?

Pretty-Spot-8197

Key Numbers for Palantir: P/E: 493.85 Forward P/E: 138 P/S: 76.44 PEG: 16.45 What am I missing?

roddybiker

Cisco at that peak had a PE ratio of over 200. It's PEG ratio was even worse. Nvidia has unique products with a huge moat. Cisco sold routers and generic IT systems and although it was the industry leader it did not have anything comparable to the unique intellectual property of Nvidia

Crazy_Donkies

I made 150% on puts for MAR and HLT. I took 50% off the table on approximately 4/4. I still hold 4 puts for both dated July and September. Not a lot of volume. Mariott isn't my big bet. Hilton has a PE for 26 and had a PEG ratio over 2. I don't think HLT deserves a 26+ PE. Profitable, yes, but 26 growing 7% - 10% a year?

ULTIMATENUTZ

Keep in mind something about getting too stuck on P/Es - whether forward or trailing, you're typically talking about some sort of NTM/Next Full-Year measure for your denominator. I know that might seem obvious but that's not necessarily a high quality measure of anything if it that one-year earnings metric isn't reflective of the firm's 'normalized' earnings over their business cycle. These are capital intensive projects with multi-year lead times. Think about it like this - If a stock price is intended to reflect the present value of future cash flows then it would make sense to be cautious about leaning (too heavily) on a valuation metric that uses the ratio of 1) price, rooted in infiniti in theory (all future cash-flows) relative to 2) one-year earnings estimate, derived from accrual based accounting system rules and covering only a single, discrete time-period unless that single-period estimate is reflective of some long-term baseline level. I would argue that using a studio's EPS for valuation during an off-release year when historically a major release occurs, what, every 7-10 years (although that will be aggressively changing in the future) is definitely not the best measure. The PEG ratio helps a little with this and I'll admit > 2 is a little rich, but that's a different argument.