USPS

DesignerSea494

Hope the new and improved USPS they’ve been spending tax dollars to advertise lived up to the hype.

Napster-mp3

This USPS lady is about to be pissed she’s delivering a vaccuum. Didn’t know Amazon had them deliver stuff that big

Tommyblockhead20

You aren’t understanding. AI is *directly* replacing very few people. Most of the job loss comes from making other people’s job easier. It doesn’t need to do someone’s entire workflow, even saving a decent amount of time in a single part of a person’s workflow, if applied to many workers, that means less people are needed. Idk if you’ve ever tried Gemini’s personalization feature, but it’s already closer to helping with those parts of a workflow than I think you realistic. As for internet, it has not completely replaces any one sector. But for example, from the numbers I can find, USPS is down ~75%, ~50% for brick and mortar retail, and ~40% for in person office workers, relative to real gdp since the early 2000’s. This means less postal workers, less retail workers, less people managing and maintaining office spaces, etc. The existence of the internet alone did not directly replace the job of a janitor of an office space. The internet can’t mop floors. But it can make their job redundant if say 30% of the company is now working from home. AI is poised to do the same thing.

HongPong

i was told USPS volume is down at least from a local angle

Norrlands

Whatever I have ordered online over the last few weeks arrived earlier than expected. Might be anecdotal but I think Fedex, UPS, USPS are not seeing the traffic they have prepped for this holiday season.

jensenskawk

That is scary. Mine got stuck behind a USPS truck and it automatically called the remote operator 🤣

V2BM

USPS uses Amazon’s systems on Sundays. My office switched to it over a year ago and it wants us to drive through closed tunnels, through chain link and stone gates and over mountain tops to a street below. Oh and our 30 year old death trap trucks with all the safety features of a carnival ride cannot go on the highway when we have to flood it to get them up to 30 mph.

thepryz

You can buy cardboard boxes at Home Depot, but when USPS gives them away for “free”, it’s hard for them to compete against the government. 

nevsfam

USPS

easye_was_murdered

Probably just USPS I think. I think UPS terminated their contract with Amazon lately.

Fitzcablammo

Jesus Fucking Christ USPS hires idiots to be mailmen. Just put the packages with the numbers on it in the box with the same numbers you useless idiot.

TheBooneyBunes

True story: the USPS board of governors was testifying to Congress last year(?) and one them pointed out that due to government law forcing the USPS to buy shitty treasury bonds, if all that money was put into a standard 60/40 portfolio over the last 15 or whatever years it would be like 65 billion dollars in value. But alas

Qwell41

I don’t even know how I got here but I can confirm I have a USPS ad

Splinter_Amoeba

Calls on USPS

HanzJWermhat

I’ve done Reddit ads before you can target them to be specific. In this case USPS set a flag to buy ad space when competitors are mentioned (UPS, FedEx) are mentioned in the post.

talann

UPS already gives the USPS the shit they don't want to deliver anyway. May as well capitalize on it.

red_dd_itt

USPS and UPS are completely different pleb

EmotionlessScion

Got a USPS ad on this post. Damn that’s mean.

HanzJWermhat

https://preview.redd.it/hqehoslp7czf1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40374d07e19e4bd63357ee86efd2452a33d170eb USPS paid for advertising on this post lmao

bizkut

USPS would be wildly more efficient if they didn't have to solve for the last mile problem in the middle of nowhere Wyoming. UPS can just offload non-profitable work to USPS. Government services are supposed to exist to cover the type of shit private industry doesn't find profitable enough to cover.

likeOMGAWD

USPS has entered the chat

matzjacz

Amazon has automated their warehouse with robots and automated vehicles, sorting machines and delivery with rivian electric and USPS and has been doing more pharmacy business, so they are going to do better now and the future.

CrateMayne

Not to discount what you're saying, but probably could have used a better example... Cargo planes were a thing before passenger planes, and the USPS had air mail in 1918. There wasn't much of a pondering stage for airplane + package.

pgru29

Get a job at USPS Cheap health +dental=$50.75 20/hr with raise every 8months...by a lil

iOwnConstruction

I have informed delivery with USPS and I see they sent me a letter today.. very curious what it will contain.. a check? just info?

garnersgoats

That's worked out so well for USPS 🤣🤣

Country_Gravy420

I heard you could send mail instantly without using a stamp. Puts on USPS

dqdg

I just went to the USPS and bought $5k in Forever Stamps.

Neither_Self7203

ARAI is on a tear!!! Take a look at their patents, and WHO they beat to patent (AMZN/USPS). Company doing a stock re-purchase program till March. Charts show clear signs of accumulation. I’m sure I don’t even need to explain how much the patents alone are worth to some player like Amazon 👀

Skid-Vicious

USPS isn’t the fed government and the DMV is state. I’ll bet there are a lot of things you don’t get.

BigIce7944

Here is the thing with the FDA. You need to study the company leadership. Do any have close tties to Trump or Republicans. There is a civil war going on at these agencies and they WILL turn down or delay approvals due to politics. The samehappend back in 2018 or 2019. Trump was behind the Ohio company to produce USPS vehicles. The company was highly favored and the stock soared before final approval by the congressional committee. Last minute the contract went to another supplier who had stronger ties to the members. YOU CANNOT IGNORE POLITICS

Mysterious_Dream5659

USPS, it’s not going out of business ever

Thebaxxxx

AMZN so underweight its not even funny. Worldwide data centers&sevice. USPS Level of logistical perfection, half the planet subscribed, proprietary AI projects. But no no lets throw money at NVDIA who makes like 2 things that AMD can make lol

asker509

I've been talking to a ton of UPS, FedEx, and USPS drivers. USPS is delivering a ton of packages lately it's really hurting FedEx and USPS. FedEx employees have been telling me the Tariffs have really destroyed shipping for them past 2 months. They have been cutting hours at the warehouses drastically. Another weird thing the FedEx employees told me is they were delivering a ton of doors like hundreds a day in June and July and now they have almost none.

giosue_c

Just wanted to update that back in April I got a letter asking for more information about my claim. I returned that via USPS. Hadn't heard anything so I emailed them yesterday and got a reply this morning >We have not sent out final determination notices to anyone yet as we are still working on claim responses. We will send them all out at once, when we do there will be an update to the website. Your notice will tell you what value your claim has, we do not have that information available at this time. We will wait some more.

Bjamnp17

USPS might pick up the difference because they charge less than both on last mile delivery.

readit-25

Weren't most of the de minimis items shipped with USPS anyways? Items less than $800 are typically not shipped expedited for $50-100, they would be going through "snail mail". As a matter of fact, removing de minimis incentivizes keeping more stock inside the US where they can then be sent with UPS via ground transportation

Comfortable_Mix_834

I think it's fairly priced, the big unknown is what happens to USPS, trump would be happy to shut it down, if republicans win the midterms i doubt it survives the end of trumps term.

stickman07738

As a side note, I am sport team season ticket holder. For years, the same UPS driver would deliver my ticket package and I would give him a couple of game tickets. Three years ago, it went fully electronic and I only get a USPS first class mail letter telling me when they will available for download.

stickman07738

I am not invested in it but in my neighborhood, my home office looks out into the street. I am lucky if I see one UPS or Fedex truck **per week**; while I see 6-8 Amazon trucks **per day**. It always has me wondering if Amazon could improve (decrease) the number of shipment and still meet delivery demand - how much more money could they make. If it is not an Amazon truck, USPS delivers the packages. The one "positive" note is that UPS will be restructuring and laying off a lot of workers so their SG&A expenses should decrease, but there is a chance it will impact service levels. One of my neighbors is just waiting for the axe to fall. For me, it is non-investable.

simplequestions2make

I believe Amazon didn’t pay as much as us commoners. But are they going to cut work force by that % that Amazon was doing? UPS is a wonderful company to work for. Most drivers are deep 6 figures. They aren’t USPS hiring temp workers on holidays. They work then dudes hard and pay for it. With Amazon expanding shipping to commoners and a lot of places creating their own shipping logistics - Walmart, Kroger, etc .. and the shipt, DoorDash, etc .. markers emerging. Grandma isn’t buying a gift and sending it UPS. She’s ordering Amazon and Walmart gift lists. They aren’t going bankrupt tomorrow. But I don’t see a scenario where we return to shipping things except in very rare conditions. When’s the last time you used UPS or any other shipping company? If it’s only businesses you ordered to you. It’s only a matter of time before use the cheapest and that’ll eventually be Amazon due to size and not having to be as profitable. Amazon drivers making $18/hour and UPS making $38+hour. It’s not a matter of “if” but when. Good luck. I was a share holder and have been actively trying to sell on anything remotely close to Green Day’s.

Me-Regarded

Good God man. I'm debating if going to get the mail is worth the effort since I can get it on Sunday, or even Monday morning before USPS guy comes. We are not the same

radpowerbike

USPS held an open day hiring event near me … what a shit show hundreds of cars, people getting turned away,postal police moving people on.Just chaos …all they had to do was send people to their career site and ask them to take their stupid little exam then invite the ones that passed. Place was overwhelmed with desperate people.

WickOfDeath

I dont understand why sending crap by heavily discounted postal rates can harm the USA. Those are chinese-producer-to-US-consumer trades. There is no US whole sale, no retail sale which is harmed by waiving the DeMinimis. On the contrary USPS isnt obliged to deliver international packages at a dicount any more. The whole system was massive tax/tariff evasion... 1000 times postal fees paid but tariff evaded... whats that? The EU dropped the De Minimis allowance years ago and forced the big platform operators to source tariff the shipments or get them rejected.

frumpydrangus

This NBIS is reminding me of what I was HEAVY in fuckin’ WorkHorse and they lost a USPS contract to a competitor. I was pissed! 😎

DumboDowg

I’d say it’s more about disassembling & privatizing the USPS. Comparable to FedEx, where nobody has proper benefits, no union, and drivers have to be paid by their contractors. More to it than that, but you get the gist.

RdyPdy

UPS and FDX have underperformed for awhile. End of USPS could be a boon for them (although very sad for american people IMO).

Miaa-hime

Yep, all done with purpose. Now, they can make USPS private for his friends to take all the contacts.

ilfollevolo

Could this be the precedent to shut down USPS?

SirMacFarton

We can argue and ultimately actually agree about the shit we consume and buy for absolutely no reason! But that’s not a point to say USPS is “not profitable” when in fact it is extremely important mechanism and tool for so many communities and small businesses that depend on it to survive! UPS, Fedix, etc, are foaming at the mouth to have full monopoly over mail in the US! Not because they are going to serve the people better; because then the is no more public option! Please stop for a moment and just think about it!

CrazyEntertainment86

This is exactly the plan, to end the USPS and therefore end mail in voting.

SirMacFarton

USPS does not “lose” money! USPS is a national service not for profit! It is supposed to be providing a service to the people! Good God people!

Same-Brilliant2014

Huh, I'm saying mail,USPS, is a national security service. To privatize it is a mistake. Does that help you out?

repostit_

Tis is the best thing done by Trump. Lot of crap from Ali express, Temu etc will stop. USPS loses money handling these packages, they get a relief.

BarbequedYeti

Now with their freed up time maybe USPS can help locate and deliver those Epstein files. 

Gwisinpyohyun

I got stuff shipped through UPS a couple of months ago. They sent it back and forth coast to coast for 2 weeks. It was absurd. UPS customer service couldn’t do anything, eventually told me they’re using a new ai system and it might’ve messed up. They might’ve hit rock bottom, in which case, bullish. Also, my lawyer told me their firm won’t send anything through USPS anymore, so that sounds completely chalked. Which you could see as an opportunity for UPS. I’m financially illiterate tho

ToughHardware

agreed. gov will try to kill USPS, which will benefit both of these

sa-sa-sa-soma

thank you for the reminder. i'm in with shares. trump has talked about de-funding or absolving the USPS since before his first term

simsimulation

USPS raised prices in July, enough to make them more expensive than UPS for commercial shippers. Anyone with rate comparison software will be shifting volume for anything over 2lbs to UPS. UPS will see big volume increases in my opinion

cancercureall

I'm just a guy who doesn't trade but skims this sub for laughs and some insight into the economy. If I had to speculate wildly I'd expect them to once again do significant damage to USPS.

AccomplishedDark9255

Privatizing or dismantling USPS is in the plans

No_Inevitable_4893

You’re forgetting that the administration is dead set on killing off USPS and privatizing it

Put_Er_There_Sport

Lmao you too! Bro FUCK USPS 😡

miata_only

As if today hasn't been bad enough I just got a text from USPS they can't deliver that one package I never ordered. 😢

user365735

I don't think so. I am a shipper, a small one but my peak months can see 800 orders go out. I like UPS don't get me wrong but I don't think they are making much on each package and they damage more shipments then USPS. UPS has closed down their own counter sales and kicked those sales to the UPS store. This is in my opinion a bad move because now youre paying UPS stores a per package fee(like $1+) on packages and are losing out on additional profits of packaging and materials which the mark-up is insane in addition to any other fees like redirects etc. Just seems like this play was a quick one to instantly cut costs while long term kills profits for this reason I'm passing on investing in them

stickman07738

I am not invested in it but in my neighborhood, my office looks out into the street. I am lucky if I see one UPS or Fedex truck per week; while I see 6-8 Amazon trucks per day. It always has me wondering if Amazon could improve (decrease) the number of shipment and still meet delivery demand - how much more money could they make. If it is not an Amazon truck, USPS delivers the packages. The one "positive" note is that UPS will be restructuring and laying off a lot of workers so their SG&A expenses should decrease, but there is a chance it will impact service levels. One of my neighbors is just waiting for the axe to fall. For me, it is non-investable.

Affectionate_You8819

UPS trucker here too. Trump is the one who made Bezos form his own delivery fleet. I remember Trump was upset that Bezos supported Hillary in the Washington post and told USPS to raise their rates on Amazon so Bezos formed his own delivery fleet.  Now trumps tariffs are destroying the industry. Layoffs, cost cutting, no more fueling outside the terminals etc. Trump needs to go. The tariffs need to end. Then it will get better

Affectionate_You8819

I work at UPS too. CACH to be exact. I am new so I dont know much.  I heard the dividends are good but can you tell me how much the dividends are exactly?  Amazon was our biggest account and now they are doing it themselves which is directly bc of Trump going after Bezos for supporting Hillary over him in the Washington post. I remember Trump telling the USPS to charge Amazon higher rates etc. After that, Bezos was smart and created his own delivery fleet to avoid this problem in the future. And bc of that, UPS lost its biggest account.  And now Trump is hurting us and everyone else even more with his tariffs. We only started laying people off since the tariffs began. He doesn't care.  UPS is doing unprecedented things to cut costs now. Fueling only at terminals. Laying drivers off. A lot of automation inside the buildings and eventually the trucks. A lot of people/jobs within the trucking industry are eventually going to be automated. It is only a matter of time. There is a lot of concern amongst drivers about this. Also worry about our pension not being there down the road. Every contract negotiation with the company is becoming increasingly more anxious. 

Vinyl-addict

118?? You surely mean in terms of logistical management and corporate structure, right, and not that any of the actual infrastructure is that old? I’d imagine you’re in a similar situation as USPS where the equipment is like maybe 50 years old or even 75 in some cases.

Fhyzikz

UPS near lows and insiders buying this month= something is in the works. My money is on US government collab news. Feel like this admin would do something like eliminate the USPS and go full private mail. Probably would get a stake in UPS too..

foreverlastl

You work at USPS? Message me, I work in Transport Strat for HQ but domiciled in St Louis. Used to be project manager for RPDCs.

DarkGardenCowboy

I’m having difficulty with government ”owning” anything other than the USPS and how this INTC deal won’t lead to state controlled industry e.g. Communism.

Jro2512

Wind power is one of the most pointless renewable energies out there. Before responding, look at how much each costs to make, upkeep, bird death numbers and how much storage is actually produced and you will see it’s less efficient than the USPS lmao

lOo_ol

Right. People think it means Intel is getting protected and guaranteed profitability. The government couldn't guarantee the profitability of USPS even with a legal monopoly on mail delivery. They literally can't move paper envelopes without losing money, and people think they can make save Intel? All we can hope for now is some Chinese company to step up and give AMD some competition so consumers can see some technological progress.

Syndicate_Corp

Dude, just google DoD+Walmart+Logistics. They literally went to Walmart to learn from their logistics officers because it was better than the US military at moving huge volumes of stuff across the planet in lower cost and faster methods. But sure, let's circle jerk to Amazon who uses USPS and UPS for final delivery on a good portion of their orders.

iaintdan9

It’s one thing to say these projects take time, which is true, but the total lack of transparency is what worries me. Leasing an old USPS facility and then ducking questions on the earnings call doesn’t scream ‘$500M investment’ to me. It screams buying time

Rare_Tackle6139

It’s one thing to say these projects take time, which is true, but the total lack of transparency is what worries me. Leasing an old USPS facility and then ducking questions on the earnings call doesn’t scream ‘$500M investment’ to me. It screams buying time

Icreatedthisforyou

Important to note, a SUBSTANTIAL reason why UPS and FedEx are profitable and has decent shipping prices is because of the existence of the USPS and the fact that USPS is able to deliver the packages that UPS and FedEx couldn't do so in anything near a profitable manner. Which is also why USPS shouldn't be compared to UPS and FedEx.

hawaynicolson

> In 2023, USPS reported a net loss of $6.5 billion. > For 2024, losses continued, though they’ve been trying to cut costs under Postmaster General Louis DeJoy’s 10-year reform plan (“Delivering for America”). USPS mostly operates at a loss in recent decades, but it stays alive because it’s a public service, not because it’s profitable like UPS or FedEx. Even so comparing these is always wrong because they basically play a different game than for profit companies.

FILTHBOT4000

The USPS had generated profit until the provision that they had to fund pensions some 80 years into the future. The Tennessee Valley Authority has always generated profit, AFAIK.

FILTHBOT4000

> How does a government that changes opinions hard every 2 years ensures a mega corporation like Intel stays successful? The same way (outside of having a lunatic like Trump in office) they run the Tennessee Valley Authority, or the USPS. We've been running those things just fine for decades, again, outside of Trump. Really, DC has little interest in those things as they don't enter into social wedge issues or things they campaign on.

HoliusCrapus

It is sort of forced to operate as a business. https://stories.uspsoig.gov/business-of-public-service-insights-into-the-laws-and-regulations-applying-to-the-postal-service/index.html#:~:text=Instead,%20USPS%20(%20The%20United%20States%20Postal,to%20set%20and%20raise%20its%20own%20prices.

DangKilla

I’m surprised that people think Trump is making a good faith argument. Liberals and military tend to mail-in votes. They tried to take over USPS with CEO Louis Dejoy for the Biden election. Best they could do was dismantle automated mail sorters and dispose of some of the pieces to make them usable again. We’re getting buried in bullshit so we forget our history.

Corne777

Yeah, I saw the same sentiment about UNH. Then buffet buys in and everyone changes their tune. Some of these really big companies, are they really going to go out of business? Like of the non USPS delivery companies Fed Ex sucks dick, can barely find the right house. So who is UPS losing to? Another one I’m looking at is FUN, they have basically bought all the smaller amusement parks. Realistically what’s gonna happen, all the amusement parks just close down?

Fun-Personality-8008

And the government is trying to kill USPS on top of that

originalusername__

Here’s my bear case. First, UPS is unionized which puts them in a weaker position profitability wise. Second, big players like Amazon are stealing their market share and frankly doing a good job at it. They farm out the shit work to guys like UPS or FedEx or USPS when a location is hard/unprofitable to reach. Third, an overall reduction in package volume due to economic slowdown will likely stunt growth at least for a while. Still, UPS and FedEx multiples are historically low but I’m not sure it isn’t a value trap.

Ill_Campaign4141

Finally going to join the family business and carry on the legacy very excited its a small government operated business called USPS wish me luck !

jamiecarl09

AND the current administration wants to eliminate USPS which will be a big boom for UPS

Handsome_Chewbacca

Seriously close that fucking loophole. It’s complete bullshit you can get unregulated products shipped via USPS to your doorstep in most states. Not to mention, the hemp companies deal with minimal regulations while the companies in legal states are strictly regulated. Not to mention the 280E and no access to no banking. It’s an absolute FARCE!

beanmoe

One thing to consider is with the restructuring of USPS and moving to for-profit rather than a government service, prices increasing, UPS is actually cheaper now for shipping. May be a good move at some point.

youbenchbro

They will move on to postal schemes, which will fund the USPS.

TheImpPaysHisDebts

UPS is hamstrung by higher labor costs due to their Teamsters contracts. Amazon is non-Union in its warehouses and uses non-Union drivers and gig workers. No pension payments, lower healthcare, etc. It used to be that UPS had the established local infrastructure to be the only game in town (USPS aside). Now that Amazon built out local infrastructure, it does not need UPS.

Pitiful-MobileGamer

My God going through these comments just makes me realize how unaware the American public is to how utilized de-minimus is in ecommerce. Because of different import regulations in Canada and Mexico, it was advantageous for corporations to establish 3PL fulfillment centers in those countries, and then import the individual purchases using section 321. Over the last 15 years global shipping has designed efficient cost-effective means to deliver on this strategy. Even to the point where FedEx, UPS, USPS have built large gateway centers near the borders so that these packages can effectively enter the same day / next day courier system. And a true Trump fashion, decades of e-commerce progress are smashed for what, and why are you all cheering at a consumption tax?! You all going to appreciate paying $75 for a t-shirt?

m1dnightknight

UPS, Fedex, DHL, and even those bound for USPS collect upon delivery. They pay in advance and attempt to either mail an invoice later with extra charges or collect upon delivery.

Piratarojo

What an idiot, I bet you think schools also made kids use litter boxes to go to the restroom too. Do you understand that Republicans have been destroying the educational system, USPS, and other services so they can sit there and tell you "look, see, the system is broken we should stop funding it"? ....Then they go and give themselves or rich buddies a tax break with your money and then point fingers at everyone else. All of this is intentional and if you don't see it then you're the blind one.

Deeznutzsgotcha

UPS is union and so is USPS. If they privatize USPS UPS stands to get the volume.

fldash

I've heard the Surepost volume UPS dropped was not profitable and that USPS didn't renew, UPS told them they didn't want it.

greytoc

Just scroll up - look at the link that says "Getting Started". However - that said - if you are employed at the USPS - you likely have access to a TSP. That would be one of the first types of retirement accounts that you ought to explore.

joza28

38 year old and know nothing about stocks . USA , employment at USPS . I would like to save for a house and for retirement. I would like to contribute around 500$ a month to start. I really don’t know what I’m doing, I don’t even know where to put my first $500. but I’m trying to get more educated on investing. Anyone have any recommendations on where I can start I’m already a little discouraged starting so late but better late than never I guess. I appreciate your feedback

Sl4mH4mmer

They hit me hard too with WKHS a long time ago when rumor was they were getting a USPS deal. The app refreshed and I was randomly "margin called" even though I only had a cash account 🤷🏼‍♂️ Fuck Robinhood