USPS

External_Anteater730

What are you talking about? Easy to see how it was cope for a defense prime that can't build a USPS truck without the wheels falling off

Late-Tadpole-2318

USPS, how I love you. Please survive

External_Anteater730

Oshkosh... you mean the shit defense prime that can't even build a USPS truck and extorted the organization out of $14B? https://preview.redd.it/sgfun4dv07pg1.png?width=515&format=png&auto=webp&s=08ace464d0a5bd510cf87854f4245f9288522719 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekXZfQZxcVM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekXZfQZxcVM) [https://www.motortrend.com/news/usps-ngdv-postal-service-mail-truck-oshkosh-defense-order](https://www.motortrend.com/news/usps-ngdv-postal-service-mail-truck-oshkosh-defense-order) Forget about it... and look at what happened with the EV subsidy removal. Tens of billions from car manufacturers who were all in on EVs, wiped out. The fact that a **defense** prime is involved with a dying (if not dead) industry is the ultimate red flag.

ai-moderator

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bluen

Bruhs what if UPS can ship Fedex can ship USPS 😳

Hummin2k

Here are some of the means that have already been discussed. But I want to stress that not knowing how he’ll try does not negate the fact that he wants to and will try. • Declare national emergency to justify delays • Deploy military near polls via Insurrection Act • Weaponize DOJ/FBI to disrupt election officials • Defund/restructure CISA to remove election security support • Sabotage USPS to delay mail-in ballots • Pressure state officials to refuse certification • Flood courts with litigation to create uncertainty • Request SCOTUS emergency stays on results • Seize voting infrastructure via DHS/DoD • Simply refuse to recognize results and dare institutions to respond​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

the_Q_spice

As someone who works for an air cargo company; Y’all realize we just hike our fuel surcharges to index the increase right? Air freight in particular doesn’t have an alternative, it is already a premium service people use for the expedited delivery - whatever the cost may be. The biggest company in this industry to be hit will likely be Amazon. They operate an airline (Amazon Air) that has no customer other than themselves. They can’t hike fuel surcharges *because they’d just hurt their bottom line*, and besides that, they can’t pass on their transportation costs for free Prime shipping. Couldn’t come at a worse time for them either, with FedEx only handling certain high-shipping-cost items (and charging them for it), UPS decreasing Amazon volume by 50%, and USPS discontinuing Amazon deliveries. All that fuel cost is now going to hit Amazon in their financial reporting, whereas previously they could hide it as services fees.

krone6

Would this explain the sudden uptick in ship delays across all platforms? USPS, UPS, FedEx, etc? I will get alerts saying "Out for delivery between X and Y" then a few hours later it's delayed to tomorrow and tomorrow comes and now it's delayed again, rinse, repeat.

Crazy_Donkies

It has way too much good going for it.  Huge diverse AI and AWS backlog, automations, robotics, logistics efficiency eliminating UPS and USPS and using their own teams, pricing power, growing private label, massive addicted buyer pool, fast growing ad business, media, sports IP, marketplace. I REALLY question your decision. 

MinoltaMiyata

Cant wait for UPS/DHL/USPS to send me bullshit _"due to global events, your package will be delayed"_ emails

VenomBite214

How do they plan to deliver it? By USPS? UPS? FEDEX?

Particular-Cake-6430

The SOTU is fucked. How can you not sue the USPS when they intentionally miss delivering your mail?

Necromancer2k8

The importer of record is who pays. FedEx was that importer on lots of stuff going to the end consumers or small business. DHL, UPS also paid, depending on the end receiver. Someone like Walmart or home depot was getting full containers that were picked up from dock & sent to their warehouse as they were the importer of record so they paid the appropriate tariffs %. An individual who orders directly from a foreign vendor who received the item directly from that foreign vendor was billed according to whatever the rate for that country was as they were the importer of record. It could have be delivered by FedEx, USPS, DHL, etc. Now FedEx will need to bill the end buyer that the package goes to. The costs were paid by FedEx, billed to end customer who in turn decided how they wanted to recoup the tariff costs. Eating it, small markup or full cost covering. It was their discretion.

3boobsarenice

He is sending out marketing through the USPS moving packets for 2 months free starlink...some ridiculous priced saved of 240

Murky-Ambition3898

I used to work for a national logistics company. They were mostly a broker. For example, they had contracts with USPS, Amazon, etc. A shipment is called a load. When someone such as USPS has a load to move, the broker would either advertise the load on a national brokerage website at a set rate, and independent or corporate carriers would choose it, or just call folks they've used before. The company received a flat rate and then would technically resell it at a lower rate. Their profit was the difference. If a carrier did not pick up that load, the company would slightly increase the price to move it. This company alone did well over $1 billion in brokerage loads each year. I am very skeptical of those 300-to-400 % claims. I don't see it.

Proof-Exam-9947

Idk what’s going on. I went to UPS store to mail some important personal documents to Europe from East CoastUSA. They wanted to charge over 100$ for standard shipping. I went to USPS, they charge 35$ for same. Talking to friends who work in corporations, they bat their eyes at these costs.

Mr_Worst_Timing

I wish could short USPS! What an absolute shit show. Almost every delivery has some kind of an issue

Rare-ish_Birb

Or, p👀p in a box once a year and mail it via USPS.

nyse25

do NOT opt for expedited shipping via USPS worst mistake ever!!

bootleg_gucci

what about hot lady working USPS package delivery?

SirVengeance92

The US could easily have their own state owned pharmacies just like EXIM bank or USPS, or TVA, all of which are profitable companies. They can also grant monopolies just like the FDA granted Stepan a monopoly on importing fucking cocaine so Coca Cola Company can make Coca cola. But ever since 1913 and even more so since 1971 the US economy has been geared for maximum extraction instead of low costs.

WetRacoon

No they don't. Your examples are sly, but dishonest. Canada Post for example was not formed as a Crown Corp, it was actually quite literally the mail delivery arm of the Canadian Government, so your comparison here literally does not apply (eg. the Canadian Government did not buy a stake in Canada Post like the US government is now buying stakes in pre-existing public companies.) Additionally, the comparison is also bunk because Canada Post (and USPS) were (and still do) offer services that the competing delivery companies won't: actual postal service, letters and all. Your argument that they're competing against these companies doesn't hold water because their mandate was never to compete, but a decline in letter services demand means they have to offer services in competition with UPS etc. so that they can continue to exist and provide services that the others won't. Petro Canada also a really bad example, because again, the government didn't buy a stake into a pre-existing company. In fact, it was only created by the government itself because effectively zero oil was being extracted by Canadian corporations. CP Rail, another awful example...because the government literally never owned any of it. Which means it was never actually a crown corporation. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you may have been referring to CN or VIA, but either way, both of those are similar to the Canada Post and Petro Can examples above. All your examples are critical public services which private companies won't offer at a reasonable price. Why are you so vested in trying to write off how shitty this looks for the US government?

PlanetCosmoX

Yes they do. And there’s no difference. Some of these crown corps were listed on the TSX as a stock and the Gov owned a significant portion of the shares. There’s no difference you’re just grasping at straws. USPS, Canada Post are now competing against private delivery companies, those are Government Departments or Crown Corps. Petro Canada was a Crown Corp, the Gov spun it off and still owned shares while it operated in competition with other companies. While it was a crown crop it competed with other companies. CP Rail was a crown crop that competed with hotels and resorts.

iShitBloodandCumShit

That’s the shitty part about USPS. But pretty common. Gets the government out of paying some benefits.

I_Sniff_Uranus

USPS

Slight_Dark9430

His stooge dismantled the USPS sorting system right before election. He will 100% send ice to left leaning voting stations in swing states.

DistributionBroad173

Nuts. They are cash cows. Americans cannot help but use their plastic/phones to order crap. Every time you see an Amazon truck go by, it is filled with stuff purchased on Mastercard/Visa. I am pretty sure my neighbors get 40000 boxes a day since one has four kids and the other has six kids, the other has two kids, and UPS, Amazon, Fed Ex, and USPS are always delivering boxes too them. The one with six kids even has all their groceries delivered since she is so "busy." What is funny, the delivery drivers are not geniuses. We tend to get a lot of stuff delivered, that is not ours, to our house since we have a box on our front porch for deliveries, and our neighbors just come check it if they cannot find their delivery. I routinely get texts asking if I can check the box for their stuff. Now, if it is Girl Scout Cookies, I won't admit it was delivered.

mulberryzeke

I heard he can only conceive via USPS.

HorsePastie

is it true he can only conceive via USPS?

coyote_crypto_jew

Yeah midterms normally flip to the opposition party. But it doesn't help when the Federal government (this regime) is demanding several states to give them access to their voting systems and voting registers and data. We also have about a decade of election interference in places like Texas that are proving grounds on how to go about limiting the population's ability to vote. A lot of the trending was showing Texas was on the verge of flipping blue, but you had Ken Paxton who was able to throw out millions of votes by purging voter rolls and limiting mail in ballots registration. We also have the new USPS postmark updates that will affect mail in ballots for the upcoming election. If your ballot is not postmarked on the appropriate date it can't be counted.

Wooden-Broccoli-7247

I’m not really sure Amazon falls under either category technically. FedEx, UPS and USPS make home delivery available for any online retailer. DoorDash and other home delivery services also give any other business the power for fast delivery. Maybe you could argue the pricing power point but Amazon is made up of a lot of smaller sellers so it kind of makes all of these arguments null. Especially since sellers on Amazon have the option to use third party fulfillment a delivery. Walmart operated their online store much the same just without the in house delivery options but it would be hard to argue Amazon has a monopoly over home delivery services for e-commerce goods.

GPT_2025

$2500 ? Really? # How can a widow with two teenagers survive on a gross State wage of just $7.25 an hour: before taxes, Social Security, fees, dues, SDA mandatory tithes and other deductions ($3.75 Net or $600/ month working fulltime), while covering the costs of: phone/ utility/ electricity bills $325, rent $1350, car payment $650, insurances $380, groceries $650 and the countless expenses $1999 that come with raising teenagers? Teenagers tend to require more resources than adults: clothing, shoes, food, and everything else they need to grow and thrive. It’s an overwhelming struggle to make ends meet. (... 2026, around 20 states still use the $7.25 federal minimum wage, either because they have no state law...) The federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour first took effect on July 24, 2009... now 2026! And the USPS has increased mail stamp prices **20 times** or 110% since June 2009! P.S. In 1963, the minimum wage was $1.25 - five 25-cent coins made of 90% silver, which are now valued at $76 TODAY! (Imagine a $76 minimum wage today! And you will get the 1950-1960 economy.) The 1960s average mortgage was between $40 or $60 a month for a 2- or 3-bedroom house, with the average new house around $10K. (**1963, $7.25 in silver dollars/quarters would be $580 today.** "Pay the minimal wage in silver coins then!") * Nearly 38% of all hourly workers earn at Or slightly above their State's minimum wage. (65 million workers, making under the MIT minimal Living Wage for a single adult is $26 to $33/hour, indicating $7.25/hour homeless living wage for many) 20 States pays $7.25! The rich Texas: [https://www.simplyhired.com/search?q=7.25+an+hour&l=dallas%2C+tx](https://www.simplyhired.com/search?q=7.25+an+hour&l=dallas%2C+tx)

derprondo

Tariff bills. I ordered something from Japan and two weeks after it was delivered I received a bill from FedEx for 15% tariff plus a hidden $4.50 service fee. I had a niche esp32 board delivered from China recently, but that came USPS and I haven't seen a tariff bill for that yet.

Disastrous_Coffee502

And even then, impeaching, convicting, and removing feels like a fairy tail. Like, aside from the fact that a Republican owns the voting machines, that USPS changed their policy that mail is marked as processed much, much later, and that there will most *certainly* be ICE agents outside the voting booths and mail in ballot locations intimidating voters, my question is what happens even if the Democrats sweep the midterms? There’s maybe like three people I can count on my hand that are campaigning on Abolishing ICE and one of them is a newly elected mayor. Moreover, if he’s impeached and convicted, *who* is going to physically reinforce the arrest?? Do they think ICE members are just going to sit by and do nothing? January 6 will look like child’s play.

sum1datausedtokno

USPS is a sack of shit. OPEN THE DROPBOX!

Napster-mp3

Dude this USPS driver must be on crack. Always hauling ass up and down my street

GPT_2025

"**Someday, million will be just a loaf of bread!** You need narrow economic pathway, with two connected limits: **the minimal living wage and the up to10X (times) maximum income cap/limit** At that point, both limits will be connected, and even inflation will have no effect, because the rich will be interested in raising the minimal wages: so they can automatically raise the income limit cap too! No one will be left behind in poverty, nor widows with two children, and at the same time, **the rich will be happy to lift minimal wages!"($7.25 now wasn't changed for many years!** The federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour first took effect on July 24, 2009.. now 2026! and The USPS has increased First-Class Mail stamp prices **20 times** since June 2009!) "There will be no economic collapse as long as the income gap/cap is limited to up to 10 times the minimum wage. BRB, economist." 2. "If the minimal wage- for example $50 an hour- equates to $100K per year (enough for a single mom to pay rent, support two college children, and cover all bills), then at 10 times that rate, $500 an hour, the income would be $1 million the draw limit; any income over that would be taxed at 91%." Example: " ... From the History: when rich was taxed 91% above threshold (USA 1940-1960 + some other countries and 99% rich, did not want to pay this taxes!) a remarkable phenomenon occurred: New Jobs were created, providing full-time workers with enough income to support a homemaker wife, five children attending college or university, a mortgage, two car loans, all taxes and bills paid, and still having enough left over for a two-week vacation, sometimes abroad- much like the scenario depicted in the movie Home Alone. As a result, the wealthy began reinvesting in new businesses, offering fair wages to employees. However, when these high tax rates on the rich were eliminated or breached, the cycle reversed: citizens became poorer, and some of the wealthy grew even richer. Money is like rainwater: Dams were built, boosting nearby farms year-round. When the dams collapsed, 98% of farms went bankrupt . When the dam holding back the river (such as wealth taxes 91%) is high, everyone has enough water (money). But when that dam is breached, the poor get even poorer, while the rich- become even richer. Think! P.S. In 1963 the minimum wage was $1.25 = five 25-cent coins made of 90% silver, which are now valued at $76 TODAY! ( imagine a $76 minimal wage today with a rich bracket at 91% taxation! and you will get 1950-1960 economy) ( 1963 $7.25 in silver dollars/quarters would be $580 today and the MIT minimal Living Wage for a single adult is $26 to $33/hour, indicating $7.25/hour homeless living wage for many)

generalraptor2002

Important: If you have to mail the stock certificates, mail them USPS REGISTERED MAIL This means in an envelope with brown paper tape on all the edges and you have to go in person to the post office

TheBooneyBunes

Join the USPS

jflbball

Amazon. There is a barrier to entry to compete with them so there's less threats to their biz. They own the physical goods and logistics space and that's not going away anytime soon. They just cut all of their USPS contracts because their logistics are that mature. Very little competition there because it's such a monumental accomplishment to be that big. And while Alexa is still pretty lame, there's something there with how they could package it with Prime. An Alexaprime bot? Whereas with Google the threats are EVERYWHERE. They're primarily still a SaaS company so every nerdy high schooler and college dropout can threaten some form of their business. Tesla will ultimately crush Waymo, the writing is on the wall there. Their Pixel hardware is still not where you'd expect and a clear 3rd or 4th option to Apple and Samsung (the watch is trash, just returned one after the holidays). YouTube is constantly fighting for eyeballs versus TikTok, Instagram Reels, and every streaming service under the sun. Google Cloud is competing with AWS and sorry but AWS is still the leader there. And all of their AI products are half-baked AT BEST. I'm on Android and Gemini is trash, trash, trash. Would NEVER pay for it. I also use YouTube Premium with YouTube Music and the "Beyond the Best" segments are hilariously awful. I don't truly know if the AI products they are developing will ever be subscription worthy at this rate.

Napster-mp3

Damn, USPS truck almost hit me. Could have retired

Impossible_Menu9131

Is this a competitor to USPS?

version-two

As someone who works with the companies manufacturing intra-logistics solutions, I.e. robotics, material handling automation, etc, they are paying off.. every company with a large distribution network is investing heavily in automated sortation and distribution. And the tech has continued to get better. Amazon, USPS, UPS, Walmart, and the list goes on and on.

Hobojoe-

Isn’t this the same story when Amazon shipped with USPS and then got rid of them at the end.

Napster-mp3

My USPS lady hauls ass in that little truck https://preview.redd.it/45h3w9av0rcg1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e7a263bd155b5933121710fb92e2101907392e0 man. Just absolutely redlining that thang

the_Q_spice

I swear to god y’all need actual experience in these industries or some shit. If you want a move you’re already too late for, it’s OSK. They produce material handling equipment (fucking *massive* front loaders for mining and as forklifts, k-loaders for cargo aircraft, tele-handlers, the JLTV (Humvee replacement) and MATV, firefighting equipment, HETS (semi truck and trailer that transports M1 tanks), HEMTT (10-ton logistical and hook lift truck for the US military), LVS (USMC version of the HEMTT), LVSR (LVS replacement), PLS (truck for loading standardized palletized freight), oh… and the new USPS Next Generation Delivery Vehicle… just for good measure I guess.

RocketsandBeer

That’s already happening. USPS is a garbage shipping company. We ship using all sources and USPS is continually the worst.

PiedCryer

Well, he can gut USPS so it runs inefficiently and losing all the mail in ballots.

Muggi

Same reason the USPS recently changed how they postmark items dropped at a local facility now too, IMO. They're already setting up mass disenfranchisement of mail-in voters. Mail-in has swung largely against them since the DNC pushed it during Covid and Trump argued for people to wait in line. Get your shit in EARLY, people.

SoloOutdoor

Not using third party shipping services ... UPS/FedEx/USPS. They have their own fleet of vans and or sub contractors.

Testuser7ignore

Yeah, its a systemic issue. USPS hasn't made the tech upgrades other carriers have.

IndividualClaim8506

On the back of the USPS… I’d like to know their losses directly associated with Amazon Sunday/last mile delivery.

asianwaste

As someone who made the shift from Ebay in the late 90's to Amazon in the early 2000's the reason was very very simple. Amazon, I was almost guaranteed to get what I ordered within a few days... that particular service only got better as time went on to the point where I once ordered something and it arrived in 3 hours. ebay, last month I ordered something and it has yet to arrive. This is something within the continental US states and USPS is just crawling to get it over to me.

pink_ego_box

AMZN: sells you a hard drive. Bought it from china, imports it to the US, pays for storage space, for the salary of the oxycodone addict who will pack it, and even pays for the USPS transport since the cart is over $30. Gets a 3% margin on that sale, if you don't abuse their return policy. GOOGL: buys the hard drive from China and sells you a subscription to keep your family photos on it. 70% margin.

Southern-Equal-6014

I bought 4 months ago, it's up a lot since then.  They have problems with expenses but I think they're bullet proof with a really high dividend.  I work for USPS, UPS has the best workforce in delivery by a lot and is economically indispensable.  

shockwagon

Not a single mention of Amazon's pharmaceutical play they're quietly building. They're implementing RX kiosks, implementing same day prescription delivery, and really drilling into health care. they're also aiming to replace USPS, i wouldn't be surprised if POTUS does something crazy like force the selloff of USPS, or defunds them somehow, which will only strengthen amazon's position.

the_Q_spice

Amazon is honestly really funny. They keep saying this, but they can’t even keep up with their own deliveries. That’s why: Prime Air is wet-leased out to Atlas Air. Bulk and heavyweights are outsourced to FedEx. Returns are outsourced to UPS. And rural, undesirable deliveries are given to USPS. Until Amazon can actually handle 100% of their own shipping volume, they need to shut up.

cantcatchafish

USPS enters the chat

Throwingdartsmouth

The new USPS stamp of the Crab Nebula is freaky. So is the other main space one, which is two galaxies or something looking like they're about to merge...but appear ready to consume a sun first. You can't unsee the face with the clown nose that is the Crab Nebula once you see it. I'm just going to keep buying weird tech until the world stops being so fucking weird.

jarchack

I am in Oregon and Amazon delivers most of the stuff to my doorstop. They will use USPS sometimes but I'm a disabled senior citizen and it's quite a hike to my mailbox. Not a fan of Amazon but sometimes I don't have a choice.

jarchack

Tierney controls most of the email systems because of AWS. Does he want to read people's snail mail or something? USPS does provide a service that people need but the government keeps beating it with sticks.

Forsaken-Egg-1449

That would be a big move! If Amazon starts its own service, it could change the way we get packages. I wonder how USPS would respond to the competition.

Snoo-515

USPS is so shit

marcisikoff

Good. Kinda. I mean if Amazon cuts USPS and delivery thru their own delivery or contracted delivery it's hard for them to deflect late packages as the fault of a 3rd party. Also USPS in my city has lost 3 different items sent to me as stuck somewhere in a regional location for over 2 months. Then again, I think when these things happen the price of shipping and or products inch up.

Un_ntelligent

I have considered them only because there is more to their business model The USPS isn't using Rivian for its main Next Generation Delivery Vehicle (NGDV), which is made by Oshkosh, but Rivian's technology powers electric postal vans being tested for Canada Post (Morgan Olson C250e) and is involved in the supply chain, while the USPS does use Amazon's Rivian Electric Delivery Vans for some package deliveries, creating a complex relationship where Rivian tech supports USPS goals via Amazon but isn't directly contracted for the primary postal fleet. The key connection is Amazon using Rivian vans for USPS packages, plus potential future collaborations on different electric postal vehicles.

It-s_Not_Important

The USPS has a Universal Service Obligation. It is mandated by law to service every addressable location. Today, Amazon has no need for USPS in locations where they have established distribution centers and the like, but the delivery to remote rural locations is impractical for them. Technically, it’s also impractical for the USPS, but they’re required by law, so regardless of profitability, you can get your deliveries in BFE. It’s just that the cost to deliver to those locations is socialized / subsidized by profitability in other locations. To make this work, Amazon will probably have to stop offering last mile delivery to remote locations (which they can do since they don’t have a USO), and only offer delivery to a local hub of some sort. Then it’s up to the recipient to go pick it up.

trippingsince2017

And from what I understand, Amazon doesn't pay all that well for the service they receive. I hear people talking about how Amazon "holds all the cards". I really don't see how they can considering the massive amounts of money it will cost them to get those packages that "last mile" without USPS. USPS should not be a bailout for Amazon, let them pay fair prices for the services they receive.

harryplover8

USPS is the least efficient organization in the logistics industry. If it gets replaced, we will all be better off. Why do we need post offices in so many places? In my county, we have at least ten offices where we could consolidate to four or five. consolidation would improve overall cost. I am all for privatization. Get a profit focused entity to own it and we will see big changes. But, politicians do not want to see consolidation and postal worker reductions in their districts.

Outofasuitcase

I live in Alaska. USPS is our last mile. No one else even tries. UPS can take literally months to get to us. FedEx is no better. Only USPS gets us mail regularly and semi predictably.

PlateNo4868

They tried this, and surprise they ran into the same issues the USPS runs into. Mainly dealing with small towns, Rural areas, etc. all which would be expensive and not viable for a dedicated delivery fleet. USPS is a service not a company, they are mandated to serve said residents.

LurkingInTheDoorway

Can't do it worse than USPS....

EntertainerOne3651

USPS is just one big fat financial failure! Just get rid of them!

Potential4752

It’s easy. USPS charges you 78 cents to mail a letter. Their “business partners” get charged a fraction of a penny. USPS knows exactly who is delivering junk mail and actively encourages it. 

Testuser7ignore

Where I am, USPS is pretty bad. They frequently delivery to the wrong address and are much less helpful than other services when they do.

Testuser7ignore

On the flip side, the USPS lobbies for junk mail. Less revenue means less money to spend lobbying against Do Not Mail laws.

Testuser7ignore

I suspect Amazon would be less likely to deliver junk mail. They don't have the same incentives and legal protections as USPS.

Testuser7ignore

Where I am, USPS is the worst by far. They consistently send stuff to the wrong address.

Testuser7ignore

Well its illegal for them to deliver(non-urgent letters). That makes it hard to compete with USPS there.

Testuser7ignore

At least where I am, USPS workers are terrible and create a ton of refunds by dropping off at the wrong address. Might be profitable here for Amazon to deliver themselves as their workers have to take pictures of the dropoffs at least.

Coders_REACT_To_JS

No, mostly just making commentary over the general trend of consolidation and price gouging. I have 0 idea if USPS has a meaningful impact on their pricing, especially when compared to fuel or other costs of business. However, it’s not a stretch for a duopoly or monopoly to squeeze consumers far above what’s necessary or reasonable. Just look at the dialysis industry, where it’s practically two companies in the US and patient outlook is on the decline.

Jimdandy941

My info is 20 years out of date, but at one time I dealt with a big mail order pharmacy. They contracted with a jobber-shipper for shipment. The company would pick up the containers of the labeled packages. Move them to its facility, scan them, and determine the cheapest, time sensitive shipping option, then deliver packages to the origin point. The origin point could be USPS, fedex, UPS, DHL, etc. a package could literally ship from FedEx to UPS, to USPS or any combination depending on all the factors (distance, time, etc). Common route was UPS to the USPS routing center nearest your home for final delivery. Something high priority could be sent via FedEx for overnight to your door by 9 AM. Another might be rerouted to FedEx Home.

Jimdandy941

It seems like it really depends. I have a house in a fairly rural area (cows across the road) and I’m about 20 minutes outside a city of ~100k with a metro of ~250k. I’ll get packages from 2 different Amazon drivers and USPS all in the same day.

FlyingLap

Nothing better than negotiating our demise with an online book store. Privatized mail is the end of our democracy. Forget the market. Your mailbox will cost $5/mo and mail pickup for your home business will no longer exist. Oh and enjoy doubling your postage overhead. Every single online store will be in trouble. The irony of wanting to privatize mail after riding the postal service’s back for three decades… and to think, Jeff. You got this whole thing because of the infrastructure the government created. Amazon would never have made it without the work of taxpayer-funded, very “socialized” technology that was developed strictly for the military and research. Glad your bookstore is doing well. Keep the USPS public and calm the fuck down.

kbuck620

All of my Amazon packages come from USPS, with an occasional 3rd party delivery service.

Pitiful_Bumblebee_82

This would be a huge shift if it actually happens, because USPS relies heavily on Amazon’s volume and losing that contract could hit both its revenue and overall operations, but at the same time Amazon has been building its own delivery ecosystem for years with planes, Rivian fleets, Zoox, and even drones, so it’s not shocking they’re considering going fully independent; the real challenge is whether Amazon can realistically cover every corner of the country without USPS, especially rural areas where costs spike, but if they do move forward with their own postal network, companies like Rivian and Zoox could see even more demand and the ripple effects across the logistics sector would be massive.

almostcuck

They’ve been trying to kill the USPS for 30 years now (republicans, not Bezos specifically) so they’ll build this network, kill USPs and then the costs will skyrocket and quality will go down. It happens in every industry that republicans kill in order to privatize it. 

yoshimipinkrobot

USPS is a constitutional right

Stitch426

I live in a rural town, and Amazon would just drop my packages off at the local post office. Before November, only extremely heavy items like a Christmas tree or workout equipment would be delivered to my home. Otherwise I’d have to go to the post office besides whatever USPS could put in a mailbox. It was very easy on Amazon’s part just to unload a load of packages at one location and let USPS be a holding facility or the actual last leg of delivery. But for whatever reason, Amazon has started to deliver packages to my home now. It’s been nice.

rasp_mmg

Fuck Amazon. Everyone will miss USPS when it is gone. Fucking idiots.

_Lucille_

This: I don't see Amazon detaching itself from a country's postal service. The USPS will always be there to eat the non profitable routes. It's just a form of subsidiary.

insertJokeHere2

Amazon relies on different last mile delivery methods for packages and parcels if one of their Prime drivers are unable go reach a destination in rural or remote place. USPS by law has to deliver mail to every registered address. In the past they use UPS, FedEx, USPS, and other local carriers. The cost ate into their margins so they built their own logistics. Merchants need different 3PLs and carriers to reduce shipping cost. USPS is the cheapest and best guarantee to ship to every customer in the US. Amazon makes merchants pay a lot to sell and ship. Essentially Amazon will take a way business from USPS and force merchants to use Amazon as their main carrier.

what_it_is69

That entirely depends on where you live. A good portion of rural America doesn’t have an Amazon hub within proximity and even the ones that do cant handle the volume and still use the USPS in some capacity

rithsleeper

USPS is about the worst company i am forced to use. The only thing id say is I feel for all the workers that would lose a lot. If they had a place to go and were able to grandfather them into a private deal id say scrap it as quickly as possible.

FiniteCircle

Well yeah a corporation is going to get the cheapest option esp if it’s subsidized but the USPS worker isn’t only delivering for Amazon. If you like in rural Alaska your only option is USPS for everything. If they lose USPS they don’t only not get their Amazon orders, they don’t get anything at all.

Westboundandhow

That’d be great since USPS doesn’t do residential delivery in many small towns, even when UPS or FedEx does, and since there’s no way to know which carrier Amazon will choose, I’ve stopped using it altogether.

filftwalton

USPS lost my Amazon package. Unreliable

RevolutionaryTrash98

Sounds like a bargaining tactic to me. Call their bluff USPS

SpareLow1881

Amazon should just buy USPS at this point

Dont_Touch_Me_There9

Isn't the Trump administration trying to privatize the USPS, which is largely the reason Amazon and USPS can't come to an agreement.

Its_the_other_tj

You know the USPS isn't the ones actually sending you the junk mail right? It's just a service that's being used by a company? I just ask because this is a really, really stupid take.