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Ulbricht is a violent criminal who deserves zero sympathy. Courtesy of /u/jugales: This is more than murder, it's evil. Not only did he plan assassinations, he felt he was getting ripped off and wanted to pay little as possible. He valued their lives that little. **redandwhite (James Ellingson):** There is no loss anymore, also. We were able to recover all of our missing product when we grabbed Xin. After some "questioning" he admitted he was intending on moving to a different country and setting up a new seller account on this site. We don't take too kindly to thieves. He's gone. **Dread Pirate Roberts (Ross Ulbricht)**: Hi again R&W, I hate to come to you with a problem when we are just starting to get to know one another, but Blake (FriendlyChemist) is causing me problems. Are you still looking for him or now that you've found Xin have you given up? I would like to put a bounty on his head if it's not too much trouble for you. What would be an adequate amount to motivate you to find him? Necessities like this do happen from time to time for a person in my position. I have others I can turn to, but it is always good to have options and you are close to the case right now. Hopefully this is something you are open to and can be another aspect of our business relationship. Regards, DPR **redandwhite:** "If I find his location, and you use it against him to scare him, there is a chance he will switch locations again. Speaking from experience, it will become a lot more difficult to find him again after that once he knows there are people capable of finding, him looking for him. Further, the people we use to do the recon are the hitter themselves. I don't think they will be interested in continuing looking for him if there will be a small sum to be split between them just to find his address. If you have your mind set on just finding his location, I can talk to them and get them to get it for you for a fee (not sure what amount as usually when we hunt someone, there is more involved after we find them). If you want to deal with him the other way, we can talk about that too, but price varies on the situation. If you want it to look like an accident, it would cost a lot more. It wouldn't be suspicious. He would just leave home one day and not return. If you don't care what it looks like, it would be cheaper than the accident. We use professionals and not street level hoodlums who always end up fucking things up. How much does he owe you and how much are you willing to pay? If there are funds retrieved, how much would we keep from what he has when we get him(if he has anything) ?" **Dread Pirate Roberts**: He doesn't owe me anything, but he is threatening to expose the identities of thousands of my clients that he was able to acquire working with Xin if I don't pay him off. As you don't take kindly to thieves, this kind of behavior is unforgivable to me. Especially here on Silk Road, anonymity is sacrosanct. It doesn't have to be clean, and I don't think there are any funds to be retrieved. **redandwhite**: Price for clean is 300k+ USD Price for non-clean is 150-200k USD depending on how you want it done. These prices pay for 2 professional hitters including their travel expenses and work they put in. We can use out of town hitters if you want as well, but I would not suggest them because they come with an extra cost and you don't seem to care how he is taken care of. When would you like this done? **Dread Pirate Roberts**: Don't want to be a pain here, but the price seems high. Not long ago, I had a clean hit done for $80k. Are the prices you quoted the best you can do? I would like this done asap as he is talking about releasing the info on Monday. ... **redandwhite:** I received the payment. I appreciate the offer if bitcoins lower in value. We know where he is. He'll be grabbed tonight. I'll update you. **redandwhite:** Your problem has been taken care of. They seized a bunch of stuff he had with him at the time as well. They said he had a couple laptops and a bunch of usb sticks. Is there anything of that, that belongs to you? They questioned him and he spilled everything he knew. He said that he and Xin were actually working together on this scheme to blackmail you and that they were brought in by a 3rd guy who has been selling on here for a couple years who is a scam artist. Apparently he makes selling accounts, sells for a while and then pulls a big scam and he just keeps creating new accounts after he does his scams. They got that guys name also , I will give that to you free of charge when I meet them to get the picture and computer hardware they got. Rest easy though, because he won't be blackmailing anyone again. Ever. **Dread Pirate Roberts**: Excellent work. Please send any info you can get on this third party along with the picture. The picture can be uploaded here: silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/upload I have no need for any of his possessions, so you can do what you want with that stuff. Thank you again for your assistance, DPR ETA: [https://im.ft-static.com/content/images/6fd44c3a-ab3f-11e4-91d2-00144feab7de.pdf](https://im.ft-static.com/content/images/6fd44c3a-ab3f-11e4-91d2-00144feab7de.pdf)
How does the text you quoted me on suggest imply I said he's a hitman? I said he tried to organist some hits, and the evidence is there for you to see, and you're allowed your opinion on that. I am merely giving you mine on a public forum, and by no means am I claiming he's a certified hitman. Remove your nose from DPR's rear my friend.
> that’s not a great argument Maybe Ross's own words and admissions are a great argument then? Not only did he plan assassinations, he felt he was getting ripped off and wanted to pay as little as possible. [https://im.ft-static.com/content/images/6fd44c3a-ab3f-11e4-91d2-00144feab7de.pdf](https://im.ft-static.com/content/images/6fd44c3a-ab3f-11e4-91d2-00144feab7de.pdf) ----- **redandwhite (James Ellingson):** There is no loss anymore, also. We were able to recover all of our missing product when we grabbed Xin. After some "questioning" he admitted he was intending on moving to a different country and setting up a new seller account on this site. We don't take too kindly to thieves. He's gone. **Dread Pirate Roberts (Ross Ulbricht)**: Hi again R&W, I hate to come to you with a problem when we are just starting to get to know one another, but Blake (FriendlyChemist) is causing me problems. Are you still looking for him or now that you've found Xin have you given up? I would like to put a bounty on his head if it's not too much trouble for you. What would be an adequate amount to motivate you to find him? Necessities like this do happen from time to time for a person in my position. I have others I can turn to, but it is always good to have options and you are close to the case right now. Hopefully this is something you are open to and can be another aspect of our business relationship. Regards, DPR **redandwhite:** "If I find his location, and you use it against him to scare him, there is a chance he will switch locations again. Speaking from experience, it will become a lot more difficult to find him again after that once he knows there are people capable of finding, him looking for him. Further, the people we use to do the recon are the hitter themselves. I don't think they will be interested in continuing looking for him if there will be a small sum to be split between them just to find his address. If you have your mind set on just finding his location, I can talk to them and get them to get it for you for a fee (not sure what amount as usually when we hunt someone, there is more involved after we find them). If you want to deal with him the other way, we can talk about that too, but price varies on the situation. If you want it to look like an accident, it would cost a lot more. It wouldn't be suspicious. He would just leave home one day and not return. If you don't care what it looks like, it would be cheaper than the accident. We use professionals and not street level hoodlums who always end up fucking things up. How much does he owe you and how much are you willing to pay? If there are funds retrieved, how much would we keep from what he has when we get him(if he has anything) ?" **Dread Pirate Roberts**: He doesn't owe me anything, but he is threatening to expose the identities of thousands of my clients that he was able to acquire working with Xin if I don't pay him off. As you don't take kindly to thieves, this kind of behavior is unforgivable to me. Especially here on Silk Road, anonymity is sacrosanct. It doesn't have to be clean, and I don't think there are any funds to be retrieved. **redandwhite**: Price for clean is 300k+ USD Price for non-clean is 150-200k USD depending on how you want it done. These prices pay for 2 professional hitters including their travel expenses and work they put in. We can use out of town hitters if you want as well, but I would not suggest them because they come with an extra cost and you don't seem to care how he is taken care of. When would you like this done? **Dread Pirate Roberts**: Don't want to be a pain here, but the price seems high. Not long ago, I had a clean hit done for $80k. Are the prices you quoted the best you can do? I would like this done asap as he is talking about releasing the info on Monday. ... **redandwhite:** I received the payment. I appreciate the offer if bitcoins lower in value. We know where he is. He'll be grabbed tonight. I'll update you. **redandwhite:** Your problem has been taken care of. They seized a bunch of stuff he had with him at the time as well. They said he had a couple laptops and a bunch of usb sticks. Is there anything of that, that belongs to you? They questioned him and he spilled everything he knew. He said that he and Xin were actually working together on this scheme to blackmail you and that they were brought in by a 3rd guy who has been selling on here for a couple years who is a scam artist. Apparently he makes selling accounts, sells for a while and then pulls a big scam and he just keeps creating new accounts after he does his scams. They got that guys name also , I will give that to you free of charge when I meet them to get the picture and computer hardware they got. Rest easy though, because he won't be blackmailing anyone again. Ever. **Dread Pirate Roberts**: Excellent work. Please send any info you can get on this third party along with the picture. The picture can be uploaded here: silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/upload I have no need for any of his possessions, so you can do what you want with that stuff. Thank you again for your assistance, DPR
The only “hit” that we 100% know he was apart of was the one for Curtis Green (which was a fake hit) becuz of the pictures, but he was straight up bamboozled by those 2 crooked DEA agents. Agent told Ross that Green stole 20k BTC (it was the agents, Green was already in custody cooperating), Carl Force alleged he was some high ranking hells angel member who could “take care of it”. U could see in the logs how Ross was super hesitant. Both agents staged the hit against Green, sent Ross the pics of the fake murder and pocketed Ross’s money for the shit lmao. Both agents had admin access to the site. They could edit logs, messages, accounts, create/delete accounts, etc. And the used a bunch of accounts to extort dealers, extorted Ross under several aliases, sold Silk Road FBI investigation info to Ross and a bunch of other shady shit for almost $2m. The reason why the murder-for-hire charges were dropped is becuz there was zero ways to prove that it was Ross writing under the DPR account at the times of the other 5 hits or if it was one of the agents scheming. In fact, 6 weeks after Ross got locked up, someone logged into the DPR account again and the FBI was certain it was either Force or Bridges. I never said he didn’t deserve to go to prison or was some hero or something, but he most definitely got railroaded.
Someone should have warned him. Crypto has changed a lot since he was DPR.
I mean he’s definitely not a hero.. but if u look at the case and how he was manipulated by 2 very crooked DEA agents who had admin access to the site and logs, this case ideally should have been tossed on the grounds of mistrial. Becuz of the pictures, we already know for fact that these agents coaxed Ross into not letting being robbed slide (money was also stolen by same agents and subsequently blamed on Green, an admin, who was already in custody at the time, Ross also thought he was communicating with a high rank member of the Hell’s Angels lol) which lead to Carl Force offering to take care of it and perform the “hit”. Then they faked pictures of the murder and pocketed the money Ross sent to pay for the hit lmao. We also know of serval other shady activities performed by the 2 agents, such as extorting dealers/Ross, selling details of the investigation to Ross, Bridges stole $350k of BTC right from the hot wallet, someone had logged in to DPR’s account six weeks after Ulbricht’s arrest, who was in federal custody at the time, likely the corrupt agents, Force went on to create the fake identity “Death from Above” to extort $250k from DPR, stating: “I know that you had something to do with Green’s disappearance and death, etc etc. Ross’ defense learned of these investigation details only five weeks before trial, but it was sealed pending completion of the investigation, they could not refer to it at trial, nor delay the trial until the investigation was concluded. Had these details been revealed, this case would have straight up been thrown out. Becuz the 2 agents had admin access and could manipulate logs/private msgs/usernames/etc, there’s literally no way to prove it was Ross who supposedly ordered the additional 5 hits and not the agents cooking up another scheme, signed in as DPR. This is exactly why murder for hire charges were dropped by the federal prosecutor.
Silkroad was among the first [relevant] platforms to use BTC. Those DNMs you're referring to may or may not have had success without the major success of Silkroad. It is a coin toss as to whether or not bitcoin would even be relevant today were it not for the undertakings of DPR.
> Free DPR! Donetsk People's Republic? They're all dead now, the Russians used them up in meat assaults and then brought in a bunch of half-Asians from Ingushetia.
Nah man she is right where she belongs. Free DPR!
I also had to play dead since DPR wanted me dead, or so they say, lol..
2014-2016 was the aftermath of the Mt. Gox blowup, Silk Road closure & DPR’s arrest, plus uncertainty from the blocksize war, plus rampant negative media coverage after the price declined 85% from the 2013 high of ~$1200. It was a brutal time.
I say he wasn’t convicted for it and you proceed to present information which confirms that, so what exactly isn’t true about my statement? He wasn’t convicted of it. Yes there was evidence presented that DPR contacted a murder for hire, but it was never proven Ross was the only one using DPR, since someone logged into DPR weeks after Ross was already in custody.
so the judge thinks there is less evidence for the hits than for him being DPR? why? weren't the hits ordered from DPR account?
Someone logged in as DPR 6 weeks after Ross was already in custody. https://www.ccn.com/silk-road-admin-account-used-after-ulbricht-arrest/
except he was convicted of being DPR. I think that the president can consider whatever he wants when deciding whether or not to pardon someone. it's not like in court. that is the whole point of pardons.
There is no evidence DPR was one person though. So maybe it was ross, maybe it wasn’t. However he was not put in jail for these charges so they should not be considered whether or not to pardon him or not.
They probably dropped those charges because the other charges alone would get him life. The minute anyone of his charges are reduced or commuted, the government should renew the attempted murder charges. Read DPR chat logs. He had a bunch of chances to back down and he didn't. He wanted a bunch of people dead because they threatened his empire. Let the drug king pin stay in jail.
Satoshi is likely not DPR. Do you mean Ross Ulbricht? The US government seized his BTC and sold it, making a huge profit. I think there was a post recently about the last of it being sold off.
I think Satoshi is DPR, which means he moved on to create silkroad (silkroad opened a couple weeks after Satoshi said that and disappeared). Also explains why Satoshi's coin has never moved, since DPR was arrested for involvement in silkroad and in prison for life.
Ok so I did more digging... This guy also has 2.3 million sats from the infamous 10,000 BTC Pizza transaction and 322k sats from the DPR hitman transaction... Those Hitman ones are apparently going for $63 per sat??! Wtf. This is a whole new world to me I never knew people were tracking individual satoshis and assigning them more importance than average run of the mill satoshis.
From what we know about the silk road bust, in terms of their "secret program" they don't want to talk about of which they use the 'CAPTCHA exploit' as a cover they wouldn't expand on in court, was just good old fashioned police work that centered in on a data centre in Iceland and they constructed a narrative around it later. There's also some speculation that some universities were involved in some Tor network wide exploits but personally I find that unlikely because those would still be unpacthed, and that would mean a tool the US itself uses for secure communications has been operating with known vulnerabilities for over a decade now; surely they would have come out by now and patched it under some pseudonym instead of letting Russia find it on an old PowerPoint From what I can remember, what the universities released publicly wasn't all that revolutionary either. Basically using old school DDoS and traffic analysis to try and locate a server you have a hint on already. That could have been what lead them to Iceland, who knows, but it's not really some super secret spy program. Rosses mistakes are well documented, and then the behind the scenes was rather tame. If you want to look for a real silk road conspiracy, where is Blake Blenthal? He took over Silk Road 2 weeks after it's inception, operated it for.months, got bust, disappeared in the prison system for a few months and then appeared on the outside, got married and again dropped off the radar... He's not mentioned in the cases of DPR2 etc really as a witness, not publicly anyway. Who is agent Blenthal really? Why was he allowed to cash out bitcoin for months on end on an already fully infiltrated platform (SR2 was infiltrated on all levels from day zero)?
If DPR got life x2 this fuck twit can too
> The 'other people had access to the messaging interface' argument is irrelevant once the money changes hands from a wallet that ross directly controls. Access to Silk Roads accounts would have gone along with access to the DPR account. What's the evidence that the addresses the payment was sent from were exclusively Ulbricht's? > Or could it be because what's the point? Why waste all that time and those resources to add some meaningless additional years to his already life sentence? If it happened the most egregious charges are the ones that should be pressed most urgently. They wanted to make an example of Ulbricht and a conviction on those charges should be much better for their purposes than having the charges dismissed, regardless of any practical change in the sentencing.
Yeah. In Australia Coke was 75BTC a gram in 2011. No regrets, I had a great couple of party years, I spent 1000 odd BTC on various "experiences" from the Silk Road. What happened to DPR was not justice. If I hadn't had the foresight to save some in '13 & '16 I'd be kicking myself.
I saw your first point play out IRL. Little known fact: At its peak, 80% of all Bitcoin flowed thru the Silk Rd. I was a miner at the time and we sent all our points to DPR. Nobody was a hodler. Your goal was to move your points (BTC) as fast as possible. After all, the Feds were coming. Bitcoin didn't have legal status until 3/2013 when FinCen announced Bitcoin wasn't illegal. Now people could look to the future. Saving BTC for tomorrow became a thing. And it was at the 2013 San Jose conference when we saw the first Bitcoin evangelicals. They preached "digital gold" and didn't fear our boogey man. Hard-liners who opposed regulation and didn't care if BTC was legal or not, met one of 3 fates: 1. sold 2. had BTC confiscated during 10/31/13 justice dept seizures 3. eliminated by Mt Gox collapse I met with fate #3.
Are you talking about Variety Jones's comments regarding DPR's (aka Ross's) BTC? I don't think anyone ever heard from VJ again about that. There's a very high likelihood he was making it up, but some of us were trying to track the "spinners" (today we call these things "mixers") that were loading up on BTC and then distributing Bitcoin en masse behind the scenes for the Silk Road, basically to mask who was who. If you ever did a deposit or withdrawal into the Silk Road, you'd have run into those addresses. They were big, sometimes having like 30k or more BTC at a time before they'd start unwinding, basically becoming withdrawal sources. It's because everything was wrapped up into these processes that I think it was kind of easy in the early days to track the Silk Road coin. I tried looking up what happened to VJ (aka PluralMongoose), but I just saw an article about how he was being extradited to the US and then nothing after that, but [it appears he's been sentenced to 20 years for narcotics trafficking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_Jones_and_Smedley). With regards to the early MtGox sale in June of 2011, I mean, it's not really a secret that Druid sold about $400k worth of BTC. The Silk Road 400k BTC story though, I'm not sure anyone ever really found out if that was real or not. It turns out, about 50k of the BTC that people thought was maybe Silk Road BTC [was actually "hacked" by James Zhong](https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/james-zhong-silk-road-hack-seizure/). He was arrested in 2021, long afterwards. I think the coin we think might have been tied to Silk Road was actually his and the "Individual X" which is another Silk Road hacker that is supposedly in US Custody. I'm not entirely sure the rest of it is actually unaccounted for, but Ross did say that there was supposedly another DPK. If true, they probably have the US government still tracking their coins today. I don't know if anyone in the government has actually ever confirmed if this 400k number is actually true or not. As far as I know, the only real source was Variety Jones. There's more info here, too if you're interested in this stuff: https://news.bitcoin.com/a-look-at-individual-x-and-the-seized-stash-of-silk-road-bitcoins-worth-1-billion/ https://tokeninsight.com/en/tokenwiki/all/bitcoin-addresses-related-to-the-u.s.-government https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/united-states-files-civil-action-forfeit-cryptocurrency-valued-over-one-billion-us There are some people that believe "Individual X" was probably a fed himself. It would explain why they'd want to keep the identity a secret, I imagine. There were two feds that intimidated and blackmailed him and got him to send them coin and they served time and are actually released now while Ross is still in jail: https://freeross.org/corruption/
DPR is still rotting is he not? Dude needs to get pardoned.
For some more backstory from the darknet side if we're sharing since I never get to talk about it and it's probably been long enough now :) The first darkweb markets (and the clearnet sites that predate it) used things like MoneyGram/WesternUnion then LibertyReserve then e-gold if I recall correctly. Clearnet sites started shifting underground starting after [Operation Webtryp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Web_Tryp) in 2004. Then Operation Raw Deal, which was a major operation against steroid forums was made possible because Hushmail is handed over decrypted E-mails to the US government by the bucketload. After Raw Deal GPG started to be used by more people but it wasn't popular yet maybe 10% of people started to use it but the others just switched to safe-mail lol. Then DrugZoneForum came about which discouraged security for its members, encouraged poor security, and eventually went as far as to block Tor claiming that only scammers use Tor. It wasn't a big surprise to learn that DZF was operated by the FBI, and many of the vendors on it got busted. This wasn't a major operation, it didn't have a name that I am aware of and it didn't make the news, but a lot of vendors who operated on DZF got busted. When they got out of jail later we learned the obvious truth that DZF had been run by the FBI the entire time and it marked the first operation against the online forum scene (other than steroid scene). After that the first set of darknet forums were launched (Drugstor > A Figment Of Your Imagination (AFOYI) > Binary Blue Stars -> OVDB) Figureheads in this space (there was even a council at one point) were mostly libertarians/agorists/crypto-anarchists and just as I was becoming less involved in the scene Bitcoin started to be discussed and traded in a hidden service IRC. (Should've bought at 10c) DPR launched SilkRoad about the same time as OVDB (which was also public) but SR had a business model and the media blew it up and the rest of the space assimilated. We had a massive history and honestly were kind of miffed that some noob was trying to steal the glory (sorry DPR!) but we were on the same page/side (His book club was not bad!), and we were more of the thinking that the current model wasn't optimal anyway and we needed a globally distributed decentralized encrypted secured market. Had to wait a while for the tech to catch up though.
> Might be in other wallets controlled by him. Hope he didn’t spend em foolishly. Better question was what happened to all those coins for the update to BTC forum that never happened? That was quite a few coins that were raised by the community and according to *thermos* was always in a limbo state, but intended to be directed when ready... and to be honest the community never really forgot about it. Back then we would throw coins at a lot of crowdfunding things like Sean's Outpost, Ukraine etc... then that happened and the first wave of normies showed up when DPR/Ross got arrested and things were never the same and the community completely changed.
“There were numerous DPR” is so incredibly ludicrous.
90% of the Ross fan boys just don’t want to get it mate. It’s the same with his mother. Imo Ross would be better off just coming clean. All this “There were numerous DPR and Ross is a non violent offender is crazy. It’s like they just don’t want to face the facts. If Ross were a real man he’d telll his mother to stop what she’s doing because the facts are he did the things he was accused of. Imo it’s not right his mother does all that time with him which is essentially what he’s making her do by continuing to lie.
It's not that many coins, we saw huge amounts sold by the US govt after DPR's coins were seized. Wave after wave of coins going into supply at the time and it did very little to the price.
BTC, ADA,IOTA,MATIC,DPR, YEILD NODES, MIDAS ( LOKUS) And scammed out of $200 by TOADS 🤷♂️🤷♂️😂
No, OP. You are missing something. Many of us believe our fiat will be debased and holding a portion in btc and other top shelf assets will preserve our buying power. Why is this so hard to comprehend? Go look into the old Silk Road case. At one point someone stole DPR petty cash for the Silk Road. 900 btc At the time this was around 4500. Back in 2011 you save $4500 and have no interest options. So as years go on your buying power eroded away. Or…you try to preserve your buying power.
I wouldn't say he stole it considering DPR reached out to ask him how he exploited the SR wallet system and once he explained how DPR sent him more money, more similar to a bug bounty program them theft.
“The judge agreed with prosecutors that the attempted murder evidence is relevant to the offenses Ulbricht is charged with. The evidence about the attempts at violence are not only connected to the drug business, but it goes toward establishing that Ulbricht is, in fact, DPR, which he has denied since his arrest in October 2013. For instance, dates in conversations that DPR had with his desired hitman appear to correspond to log entries that were recovered from Ulbricht's laptop.”
They lied, it could really be that simple. Have you followed some of these court cases recently 10 years on and read some of these Judges trying to understand crypto. I mean anyone that followed it when it happened knew it stank to high heaven. It's possible Ross let the money go to his head but to the people that were there the Forums did a 180 as soon as people suspected that DPR was no longer DPR. Yeah sure there were hard drugs on there but when the hitman, Guns, and human trafficking shit showed up we knew it was completely BS. I remember discussing it with people at the time that actually used SR the agents were creating those "extras" and everyone moved on to a different place.
>Who did he try to have killed? Who did he hire? What was he sentenced for? There were six hits ordered in total. No.1 was for the hit taken out on Curtis Green, the former staff member whom Ross (wrongly) believed was stealing for him. It was in fact HSI agent Bridges who stole the Silk Road user funds via Curtis Green's account (which was why Ross thought Green had done it), outside his authority as a law enforcement officer. Hit no. 2 was vendor Lucydrops who was threatening that he would expose his (ie Lucydrop's own) customers' information - names and addresses - if DPR didn't pay him extortion money (500K or thereabouts, not looking it up now). The hitman he hired was a scammer, in fact Lucydrops using a different pseudonym. Hits 4-6 were taken out on Tony76, a vendor who had perpetrated a huge scam on Silk Road's customers, and his 3 roommates. However, these were also fictitious people, and DPR once again paid $500K to a scammer to kill people who didn't exist.
>Also the guy he tried to kill by hiring a hitman wasn't someone who specifically did something wrong against him, but just a rival drug seller. Basically he wanted to murder the competition cartel style. This is not quite correct. There were six hits ordered in total. No.1 was for the hit taken out on Curtis Green, the former staff member whom Ross (wrongly) believed was stealing for him. It was in fact HSI agent Bridges who stole the Silk Road user funds via Curtis Green's account (which was why Ross thought Green had done it), outside his authority as a law enforcement officer. Hit nos. 2 was vendor Lucydrops who was threatening that he would expose his (ie Lucydrop's own) customers' information - names and addresses - if DPR didn't pay him extortion money (500K or thereabouts, not looking it up now). The hitman he hired was a scammer, in fact Lucydrops using a different pseudonym. Hits 4-6 were taken out on Tony76, a vendor who had perpetrated a huge scam on Silk Road's customers, and his 3 roommates. However, these were also fictitious people, and DPR once again paid $500K to a scammer to kill people who didn't exist.
And it relied completely on the DPR account which was in the hands of multiple people hence why they dropped the charges mate because they couldn't prove it
It was also rumoured that multiple people had access and managed the DPR account, but it was just easier to pin everything on one person
I'm surprised they gave DPR internet access
They were also making tons of money selling drugs worldwide, if he was to be prosecuted anywhere else around the world he’d get a life sentence and potentially death. His partner got caught with 10Keys of coke and then DPR started throwing out hits, yes he was trapped into believing his life/freedom was in danger, but he still approved multiple hits from hit men which was actually the feds
One of the craziest Legacy stories. I wonder how far into the future people will talk about DPR.
At the time several people had direct access to the DPR account on Silk road. I was in the forums at the time and everyone knew it had become a Honeypot. The murder for hire shit was BS.
The Silk Rd is crypto's most fascinating episode. Its stories within stories. I also hold out hope that Ross is soon released. A few Silk Rd highlights. Officer Sean Bridges (Silk Rd Task Force) 🔸Stole 20,000 Bitcoins from Silk Rd 🔸Formed [Quantum Investments](https://i.imgur.com/QsG5ehM.png) in his own name; funded it with stolen BTC 🔸After his first indictment, he stole BTC from US Marshals 🔸Sentenced to 8 years for crimes committed while investigating Silk Rd Officer Mark Force wouldn't be outshined 🔸Stole 1600 Bitcoins from Silk Rd 🔸Invested in CoinMKT, a start-up 🔸[Hired by CoinMKT as their new Anti-Money Laundering Officer](https://i.imgur.com/fTJLzGw.png) In court, Force declared he wasn't driven by greed. He expected book & movie deals. Yet none of this was permitted to be heard by jurors! **Gary Alford** (Accountant) Using nothing but Google Search and his smarts, IRS Investigator Gary Alford identified DPR as Ross Ulbricht and solved the Silk Rd case. The number of irregularities in the investigation and case were stunning. Still, everything was stacked against Ross. If your 2 lead investigators end up in prison for 6 & 8 years respectively, the case has to be tossed & retried. BTW, that was a TLDR of what those cops did. They were straight out of Monty Python. The things they did were insane.
DPR had a conversation with Variety Jones, his 2nd. And Variety told him just that. Urged him to stop behaving like an amateur and told him to realize and accept that he was a criminal. Not only that, Variety showed him pictures of FBI's most wanted cartel bosses. and said, "Your operation is on par with theirs. That means when they come after you, they'll slap the Kingpin Designation on you, no matter if you're American."
The similarities are funny, but not. I'm convinced this has to be a feature film one day. The things DPR dealt with were just insane. I can't include everything but one of the stranger episodes is how he dealt with vendors. He had to draw the line sometimes and it became difficult. One of his more troublesome vendors was The Black Death Group out of Eastern Europe. He had to suspend their account because they wanted to sell fresh human organs. They threatened to kill him if they weren't allowed to sell. He finally worked it out with them, but that's the sort of stuff he dealt with.
He committed a number of blunders. DPR followed the Walter White path. He started The Silk Road as a place to buy and sell mushrooms. He didn't expect to create a market. That, and he had no tech background. What's incredible is for most of the Silk Road's time, he ran it solo.
Google search! That, and incredible logic. Nick Bilton breaks down how Alford identified DPR in "American Kingpin." A lot of what I'll share comes from that. Also, Red&White - that guy was a Jedi level scammer. What he did is mind-blowing. Will feature that in part 2.
/kinda unrelated but/ I was about to make an obvious pun about Silk Road, but first decided to google what DPR is doing now and omg, he has a twitter.
DPR ran the server that hosted the marketplace. These people published open source code and provided no platform.
Source that DPR tried to hire hitmen to kill James?
Thank you for considering the evidence presented. That the DEA agents who had administrator access to the DPR username and chat logs were later indicted and convicted of faking the death of the man allegedly targeted by Ross - I'd say that's pretty strong evidence to suggest that Ross is innocent - which the government itself essentially acknowledged by dismissing all of the hitman evidence with prejudice. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but the evidence has been thrown out as invalid by the courts because of the clear falsification of evidence by those who were attempting to gather dirt on Ross. Check out this quote from DEA Carl Force's trial: ''When the judge made reference to the "murder" of the Silk Road moderator Curtis Clark Green, faked for the benefit of DPR, he paused to ask, "Which didn't actually happen?" "Which didn't actually happen," the AUSA responded as fast as she could. They moved on quickly.'' Source: [DEA Agent Who Faked a Murder and Took Bitcoins from Silk Road Explains Himself](https://www.vice.com/en/article/8q845p/dea-agent-who-faked-a-murder-and-took-bitcoins-from-silk-road-explains-himself)
I don't believe the fake ID's are what lead them to him though. Allegedly, at the time they hadn't connected the two. They claim they found his old job listings looking for someone to help him build/run the website, posted under his old username altoid- which they were able to connect to the real person, Ross. Many people are skeptical about that though, seems like it could have been parallel construction - they could have "hacked" him or something, then found that connection later and said that was how they found him. It's not easy to find someone through Tor but it is possible given the right circumstances. Look up that story of the[guy who was extorting young](https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7gd9b/facebook-helped-fbi-hack-child-predator-buster-hernandez) girls for nudes on facebook using Tails OS - facebook paid six figures for a Tails exploit that looked like a video file (perfect for such a circumstance) which actually opened the "insecure browser" in the background and phoned home through the clearnet, revealing the assholes IP. The FBI did something similar but much less fancy when they infiltrated alphabay and kept it running for a few days, they told all their vendors to download their timelock transaction backup in case the website went down. But it was a word file (I believe) with a hidden pixel attack in it - a single pixel embedded image file hosted on an FBI server, the intention being that you open it outside of Tor browser and reveal your IP which obviously doesn't work if you're using Tails, Whonix, Qubes, an isolation proxy, etc. I know they caught one of the silk roads admins and then took over his account, at which point they were "inside" the tor hidden service, which I believe gives them a much more direct route to tracing DRP's connections to his real IP - especially given that the FBI runs a shitload of Tor nodes. (not saying that tor is insecure, but it is vulnerable if you are a big target they really want to spend resources catching). Funny enough DPR thought he was a step ahead of this since he was anonymously/pseudonymously purchasing VPS's to spin up TOR nodes for his own connections to ensure that none of the nodes in his connection were malicious - which is both smart and silly at the same time since it creates new problems you have to address.
It is entirely possible to be anonymous on the Internet. It's just a lot harder than most people understand. See Ross Ulbricht, DPR of Silk Road.
Yeah good point, it began in February 2014 when the DPR voted for sovereignty and were attacked by Ukr forces. For the transaction markings to start so soon before the involvement of Russia directly indicates a level of knowledge that an ordinary person would not have and leans further towards 3 letter agency action.
Yes correct, Ukraine was bombing the DPR from Adveeka to Donetsk.
DPR. Which I then staked to get a device I won’t ROI on probsvly ever.
Was this the guy that DPR paid off and accounted for in his ledger?
I mean like there are numbers available when you look at the DPR example and other cases. They used specific amounts in the court cases. Not going to look it up.
Ya i was just reading a wired mag article about this on the shitter it seems like the defense presented a story that Ulbricht wasn't even the real DPR , just a fall guy, but never presented hard evidence like the stuff they used to put him away.
Hits were ordered, there are transcripts. If he didn't do it (big if) he should have burn it all down and walk away the moment he lost control over it and was aware the shits that were being carried. He continued to represent himself as DPR even after that and was caught with access to admin panel. He can only blame himself for that. He was caught with a "murder weapon" and he knew for a while what he has in his possession is a "murder weapon". I'm confident correct guy was caught and sentenced properly, with I agree draconic sentence. If sentence was lower allowing him to spend some time as free man in his late years I would not object honestly.
> Corrupt cops don't make him innocent. didn't say they did. > The fake hits were not "fake" for DPR. but they were still fake, and they were based on fake stories from those corrupt feds, right?
Corrupt cups don't make him innocent. The fake hits were not "fake" for DPR. There are transcripts DRP ordering them and paying for them. I'm fully aware what those cops did. Just check podcast I linked, their involvement is covered in great detail. In my opinion they are worse than Ross, abusing their positions and zero moral guidelines.
Considering he created DPR I consider him to be the person that to order hits on other people. Could it be that he shared access with other people in his enterprise? Maybe, but he's was a leader and culprit. However you are absolutely correct, he was never sentenced for conspiracy to commit murder. Hits were ordered through DPR, it just happens that people who claimed to be hitmen were scammers.
That last part isn't true, they never convicted him for murder for hire. By that point there were multiple people who had access to DPR handle and the admin panel of the silk road.
The DPR you only get when you stake. When you stake you only get DPR if you increase bandwidth. I don’t recall breakout but a % of DPR was withheld for staking rewards.
And [somebody else lost told me you get DPR as rewards when you offer your bandwidth](https://np.reddit.com/r/DeeperNetwork/comments/11t3q2h/whats_the_monthly_price_for_unlimited_access_and/jctsmwk/). I'm guessing, based on your deletion of your last comment, you had a similar realization? So if one side pays nothing send the other side still gets paid, is it safe to assume there's money coming from a different source, like the centralized Deeper network itself?
I took a look at the documentation (again). One page from your link, [it *currently* implies - if not says outright - that mining = bandwidth sharing, and doing this will get you cryptocurrency token](https://shop.deeper.network/blogs/tutorials/deeper-network-staking-tutorial-for-binance-smart-chain-bsc-pc-version) and not just credit scores. > ...You have completed the basic mining staking and **ready to receive $DPR** mining rewards! Please be sure to keep your device connected to the internet and **share bandwidth** with the network.
In the present you pay nothing. No they don’t get paid. They get credit score for sharing their bandwidth which increases staking returns for staked DPR.
No, you don’t connect to their computer, you connect to their node. In the future you pay DPR which you gained from sharing your own bandwidth from others who are paying you DPR for your bandwidth. Stakers of DPR are the ones who are also using the network and gain DPR by staking. They also gain DPR by sharing their network. They are the ones supporting the shrimps who don’t stake and only share. But in theory you could share and earn up a stash of DPR and never use the DPN and earn and stake a bunch of DPR and make a bunch of money, or, just use the DPR from your sharing to pay for the DPN. It’s not a hard concept. Money came from initial crowdfunding. I don’t recall the ongoing initiatives to get more money into the system but I recall advertising, stablecoins, and creating value for DPR such as a stablecoin using DPR iirc.
Let's go back to my questions and you can answer them. I noticed that the Deeper representative I spoke to also refused to answer questions directly. # Claim 1: Deeper was describing a product that doesn't exist to customers for a product that does exist Your claim: "You pay DPR if you connect with your phone... for their new DPN app they are developing." My response: **bullshit**. Which one of the two people I quoted were talking about the phone app? If you were going to claim they were talking about the phone app, **prove it**. # Claim 2: Somehow, shelling over $100 for a device guarantees it will remain free Your claim: "The point of the Deeper Network was to **make it free forever if you buy the device**" My response: **back that up**. *How* does the purchase of a device guarantee the network will be free forever? # Claim 3: "the project is legit" Your claim: "I’ve met their entire team. The project is legit." So you're saying the CMO was not lying? If you trust him, you shouldn't have a problem with what he said.
Good reply after all you do is spam big text and claim im clueless when you’re the one who really doesn’t know what they’re talking about. I have the device, use the DPN, and pay $0 at the moment. They could change it tomorrow if they wanted to. Then I’d stop using it, and I’m out of money. Then they’d sell no more devices, and stop getting me to use their services, and I’d sell all my DPR. They have no incentive to do that. How does me buying an iPhone guarantee Apple won’t introduce spyware in the future? How does me opening a free checking account guarantee the bank won’t start charging me fees in the future? If you have a problem with the company, or find it fishy, don’t buy the device. I don’t get the point of your post. You’re talking about a project that’s been FUD’d forever (which keeps delivering new products and good updates). I don’t need to prove anything to some yuppie who found some random project on CoinMarketCap and thinks they’re an expert after reading 3 posts by googling “deeper network reddit”.
Again, clueless. > Deeper promises you this network of other nodes that will be available to you for free and forever, and in exchange for sharing your internet connection, you will get paid. But wait a minute. How will you get paid by other people who are using your node, if they don’t have to pay to use it? >“Payments of DPR to use” >Deeper’s customer support goes even deeper into depth, explaining how users must forfeit some of their cryptocurrency to use it. There is zero fee to use the DPN via the hardware, if you own the hardware yourself, and you are connected locally to the hardware via wifi/ethernet. The phone app is not released yet. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. You don’t pay DPR to use the DPN at the moment, and never heard anything of that. The point of the Deeper Network was to make it free forever if you buy the device. Black box/infrastructure/security aside, it does that, for free.
>You pay DPR if you connect with your phone... for their new DPN app they are developing. Which one of the two people I quoted were talking about the phone app? It doesn't even exist. But please, tell me more about the app that will require extra payment, versus the $130 to $200 hardware deal...
You pay DPR if you connect with your phone to the network for their new DPN app they are developing. If you have the device you connect for free using that. It’s for when you are away from home. You don’t pay if you have a node to use and connect to it. 0 research post with no clue of the product.
EFX, DPR . Both small caps that are looking up.
EFX and DPR. Both 50x moonshots.
EFX (Effect Network) DPR (Deeper Network) Both have potential if the wind moves the right way.
My moonshots are Deeper (DPR) and Effect Network (EFX). Both low caps with, hopefully, potential.
Disagree with you on the blockchain part. A blockchain is just a inefficient database and rarely makes sense apart from bitcoin. This is an awesome podcast about the topic: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0NYxhxcPyDN1zX6joRs2wS?si=Z1d23_DPR9qPEa8RpKCYvw&utm_source=copy-link
DPR. Deeper Network. Tiny marketcap. Looks like its ready to pop off. It's a decentralized VPN / mining unit.
DPR. Deeper Network. If they gain traction, easy 50x. It's a decentralized VPN which also mines the DPR token. No yearly VPN fees. IDK if they'll gain traction. But if they do...
Anybody heard of DPR network? It's a decentralized VPN network or something like that. It hasn't really moved yet. Dead? I'm still on the hunt for my next moonshot.
>This is the dude who paid to have multiple people killed? No. Not at all. They didn't even charge him with that, not even with an attempt to solicit it, as they did *not* have sufficient evidence. More than 1 person used the DPR moniker and there were undercover agents who were doing things worse than Ross & barely got punished. If they had any solid evidence of him hiring anyone for killing they would have absolutely charged him with it, but they couldn't. Ross got a terrible deal though, because in sentencing the judge referred to those accusations even though he hadn't been charged with it so didn't have an opportunity to defend himself against the accusation.
damn, if only DPR had a much better lawyer
I request SBF to voluntary swap places with DPR! Thats the least, they could do.
You just edited it you fraud. Who's the dunce? You literally just proved yourself to be a fraud. It said "murders that were done" and now you changed it to "thought they were done" 😂😂😂😂😂. You really thought you would get away with that? How dumb are you? Here's some facts for you since you are obviously new (and a fraud): 1. There were multiple people using the DPR account. You probably didn't know this since you just googled it. 2. Those charges were dropped. Why would they be dropped if they had him dead to rights? Because they know they couldn't prove it. 3. You can't convict someone on theoretical charges. You get your day in court . That's how it works. Ross got a disproportionate amount of time. 4. You're a complete fraud for editing and changing your comment when you got caught in a lie.
None of this is proven. There is a reason he was never charged with anything of the sort. The court wouldn’t even hear the evidence because of how flimsy it was and the governments inability to prove Ross was responsible for the text files ordering the hit. Multiple people had access to the DPR account, including rogue government employees who were later imprisoned
Caroline,SBF,UltimateBet Lawyer all need too get Ross Ulbricht numbers’ give ‘em double Life in jail like they did DPR.
Propaganda works so well, it’s depressing to see this as a popular opinion on reddit. DPR, was fucked over politically, slandered, and libeled. This was so similar to what putin did to Navalny, and most people can’t see it. There is absolutely no proof of this.