BTC

legitBro420

Haha that's a lucky one. Bro next time use half money cross order. And not that high leverage. 20x on BTC but it's still risky.

JustKing0

New ceo will buy BTC

Careful-Studio885

Yes and No. Yes, because literally that is what happens. Someone is willing to pay a higher price for the same shares, but that is also what happens with other stonks and BTC, so that alone doesn't qualify it as a ponzi scheme. No, because BTC appreciation benefits even those who got into the game later. At the end of the day, it is about whether MSTR' financial engineering is sustainable. This is not a matter on the buyer side, or who buys MSTR shares. It is about how the whole business model will eventually crash, if BTC suffers a significant decline.

unhappyreach_

Fuck Netflix they should have went all in on BTC

Careful-Studio885

MSTR holds the BTC they bought, and lends it to short-sellers to collect interest payments. They can also lend it as collateral in the form of BTC bonds, which trade over 144A, only available for institutional investors with assets exceeding $1 million USD. In that sense, they are similar to banks. However, the thing with banks are that they are FDIC insured, and have huge reserves to prevent liquidity crisis and bank runs. This is something MSTR doesn't have. Until MSTR becomes "too big to fail", on a huge BTC price decline under crypto winter type of event, they will inevitably run into a liquidity crunch.

Careful-Studio885

Somewhat. The strategy works until it doesn't. If BTC continues to go up, much more than it goes down, with no significant pull back, then the strategy may actually work. To value this with some simple metrics, we can look at NAV premium, gearing ratio & balance sheet leverage. NAV premium is sitting at 2.4 currently, which measures how much MSTR shareholders are overpaying on their BTC claim. Gearing ratio is maximum 30%, which is total debt/ total assets. Conservatively estimating debt, which includes issued shares and convertible bonds, that's around $13B to $16B, depending if the 21/21 or 42/42 goes through. Total assets is largely based on BTC dollar value, which now appreciated to $53B. Obviously, total debt is going to keep increasing, because MSTR will keep going with their business strategy of buying BTC, indefinitely at all prices. Meanwhile total assets fluctuate with BTC price, which means the numerator can only increase while the denominator fluctuates. Given a gearing ratio of 30%, the balance sheet leverage is 1.3; which is also bound to increase in the future, if BTC appreciation cannot keep up with the rate MSTR dilutes its shareholders. A high leverage eventually, is a double-edged sword.

Careful-Studio885

Yes, if BTC goes down, MSTR shareholders will feel the pain, perhaps at a leveraged decline relative to BTC. MSTR' board and management will just continue to accumulate BTC, until they go big or go home.

Careful-Studio885

Sure, you can buy and sell MSTR as you wish on the open market. Except the idea with a stock is very different than a loan. In a loan, the principal is always repaid with interest or yield. Here, MSTR stock is not a loan. They are just using your hard earned money to buy a portion of the claim of BTC, from what you could've bought on just a normal BTC ETF. Given its 2.4 NAV premium, you are overpaying for the BTC portion. Overpaying by 47%. And the 53% BTC claim you have is on a gearing ratio of 30%, or a balance sheet leverage of 1.3 Obviously, MSTR stock doesn't pay dividends so there is no interest payment. Also the BTC yield metric they use is not to be confused with conventional yield for a bond. BTC yield is a ratio that measures the change in Bitcoin holdings to newly issued shares. This is a convoluted way of saying that MSTR will issue new shares (i.e. issue new debt in the form of STRK shares), and use these new shares to buy BTC. However, the twist here is that BTC yield will always be positive, even if BTC price goes down by 70%. This is because MSTR will never sell BTC. So the numerator of BTC holdings will always be positive, and always increase. The denominator of newly issued shares, which dilute shareholder equity, is also completely at the discretion of MSTR. Therefore, it is a metric which confuses the conventional investor. A more suitable numerator will be using BTC dollar value, then the BTC yield can actually be negative to reflect declining BTC prices under an adverse scenario. But that will work against MSTR' favor to attract new, unsuspecting investors.

Careful-Studio885

Sure, you can buy and sell MSTR as you wish on the open market. Except the idea with a stock is very different than a loan. In a loan, the principal is always repaid with interest or yield. Here, MSTR stock is not a loan. They are just using your hard earned money to buy a portion of the claim of BTC, from what you could've bought on just a normal BTC ETF. Given its 2.4 NAV premium, you are overpaying for the BTC portion. Overpaying by 47%. And the 53% BTC claim you have is on a gearing ratio of 30%, or a balance sheet leverage of 1.3 Obviously, MSTR stock doesn't pay dividends so there is no interest payment. Also the BTC yield metric they use is not to be confused with conventional yield for a bond. BTC yield is a ratio that measures the change in Bitcoin holdings to newly issued shares. This is a convoluted way of saying that MSTR will issue new shares (i.e. issue new debt in the form of STRK shares), and use these new shares to buy BTC. However, the twist here is that BTC yield will always be positive, even if BTC price goes down by 70%. This is because MSTR will never sell BTC. So the numerator of BTC holdings will always be positive, and always increase. The denominator of newly issued shares, which dilute shareholder equity, is also completely at the discretion of MSTR. Therefore, it is a metric which confuses the conventional investor. A more suitable numerator will be using BTC dollar value, then the BTC yield can actually be negative to reflect declining BTC prices under an adverse scenario. But that will work against MSTR' favor to attract new, unsuspecting investors.

Careful-Studio885

By raising money to buy BTC, MSTR no longer follows a 1:1 trajectory similar to a BTC ETF such as BITO. People like leveraged plays, because they can capitalize on higher % gains if they speculate on the long side correctly. The thing about MSTR here is that, they won't sell any BTC. So on a market downturn, especially a crypto winter, shareholders aren't guaranteed to get their claim on BTC back. This is because MSTR also raises money via convertible bonds, and bondholders have a higher claim to assets (BTC holdings from MSTR), in the event of a liquidity crisis.

Careful-Studio885

Agreed, MSTR' plan is an all or nothing gamble. It will either continue to rise like a maniac following BTC' exponential appreciation; or it will dwindle towards zero since it is a leveraged play on BTC and may potentially get liquidated in a crypto winter.

Careful-Studio885

Sure, you can buy and sell MSTR as you wish on the open market. Except the idea with a stock is very different than a loan. In a loan, the principal is always repaid with interest or yield. Here, MSTR stock is not a loan. They are just using your hard earned money to buy a portion of the claim of BTC, from what you could've bought on just a normal BTC ETF. Given its 2.4 NAV premium, you are overpaying for the BTC portion. Overpaying by 47%. And the 53% BTC claim you have is on a gearing ratio of 30%, or a balance sheet leverage of 1.3 Obviously, MSTR stock doesn't pay dividends so there is no interest payment. Also the BTC yield metric they use is not to be confused with conventional yield for a bond. BTC yield is a ratio that measures the change in Bitcoin holdings to newly issued shares. This is a convoluted way of saying that MSTR will issue new shares (i.e. issue new debt in the form of STRK shares), and use these new shares to buy BTC. However, the twist here is that BTC yield will always be positive, even if BTC price goes down by 70%. This is because MSTR will never sell BTC. So the numerator of BTC holdings will always be positive, and always increase. The denominator of newly issued shares, which dilute shareholder equity, is also completely at the discretion of MSTR. Therefore, it is a metric which confuses the conventional investor. A more suitable numerator will be using BTC dollar value, then the BTC yield can actually be negative to reflect declining BTC prices under an adverse scenario. But that will work against MSTR' favor to attract new, unsuspecting investors.

AtomicBlondeeee

Looks like Saylors previous BTC buys before his DCA was under $75k

AncientAckman

BTC was at 97k at close 

pmotiveforce

BTC lower to the right, bear's delight.

illicit_FROG

Have enough of you bought BTC and MSTR yet so that shit can go back to 42k?

quiksilverr87

BTC lmfao....you think people on this reddit give a crap about actual corn futures

Sick0h

I applied but he said no, he can beat the shit out of my if I get a few BTC

throwawayben1992

BTC

Sick0h

I bet every time BTC starts dropping Saylor feels his own nuts up in his throat 

Murky-Explanation479

Anyone else see that Coinbase commercial shilling for BTC on TNT just now? LMAO

Reasonable_Handle291

China Government has already banned BTC along with crypto trading entirely. That's like the US doing China the biggest favor ever in removing the US Dollar as the world's currency instead of China continue trying to do that themselves.

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mean--machine

You're saying BTC correlates to SPY?

AresStare

If Saylor goes down, he'll take BTC with him. He basically cornered the market, if he becomes a forced seller BTC is going to tank.

Dependent_Fondant_60

It's not anti-American...it's actually smart as hell. Sell gold reserves at current value, take that cash and buy enough BTC to own the largest position. Then reset the dollar value based on BTC. Guaranteed to never lose world currency reserve status.

Dependent_Fondant_60

Yup, MSTR, MSTY, or BTC....gonna get a little dip tomorrow on all 3 for a screaming buy... msty goes ex div on 5/8 and it should pay 2.25 to 2.75 div per share

SULT_4321

My dudes, I am beginning to fear my BTC was not actually worth $95,000 USD

scorchie

BTC is USD + a basket of other currencies, except it has no utility outside of gambling… it’s not even worth mining at this point, hold and speculate. Good luck on the price action of that when MSTR inevitably capitulates and 600k coins get flooded into zero liquidity. Hopefully this ends the nonsense on that as well.

DJ_Mimosa

Nah, MSTR is only overvalued by their NAV premium to BTC spot price, which is about 2X right now. PLTR is arguably overvalued 5X.

Reasonable_Handle291

Looks like Gold installing to accelerate. Why is BTC crashing? Whale dump or selling to buy back into Stonks?

rriggsco

BTC got shot down 2%. Same thing happened last week and it climbed right back up.

_m0nk_

BTC gonna be below 90000 by midnight

DoubleSkew

bers down so bad -0.4% on BTC over a hour timeframe (still up on the day) is cause for celebration 

_m0nk_

BTC reacted well to futures opening

Dependent_Fondant_60

BTC will be the best safe haven soon. Stocks are looking poised for a hammering within the next 2 weeks

iLov3musk

Its good for BTC if more countries diversify away from the USD

iLov3musk

Saylor is now offering STRK - STRF to investors. Another method to acquire btc without putting pressure on the ATM. Thus increasing the total leverage allows for larger Mnav expansion. The btc per share is accretive to MSTR investors. If your long BTC then its much better to be long MSTR

zedk47

MSTR being leveraged BTC, it has to go negative

VegaStoleYourTendies

Yes. As soon as you BTC the covered call and that trade is executed, the shares are free to be used for collateral again. You can even do this in a single trade, buying your short call and selling another one at the same time (rolling)

TruereaIone

Don’t forget man a lot of countries use BTC as secondary currency like El Salvador or Venezuela it’s useful and it’s a reproduced like the U.S. dollar

chatrep

Yeah, totally. .000001 chance they even think of BTC. But a guy can hope. But realistically, they may start to think more of a diversified mix as you said. German, Euro and maybe even China. Interesting that once somewhat economic enemies are starting to talk to one another. US against Japan, Japan loses. US against world, US loses.

Main_Ad5511

Typo! I meant BTC. LOL WTF THERE REALLY IS BUTTCOIN LOOOOOOOL. the market is fucked

chatrep

To continue with my fantasy… Buffer sitting on ton of cash and no where to put it. He was super late to tech and finally got on board. He has too much cash and small investments are not that material. Maybe, with new leadership, they look at BTC. Again, not likely but you never know.

chatrep

If it matters… RH prediction market is $0.97 no fed cut. 25bp cut $0.03. Market has no rate cut priced in. This weekend: - Japan news is a slight negative as deal seems further out. - BTC holding around $95k has been somewhat correlated to market so bullish. - potential for India deal very soon slightly bullish. (May chose to announce on a dip) - Footwear companies exploring an exclusion neutral but bullish is granted or even hint of granting. Means more holes in tariff’s. All this to me adds up to a wait and see, ha ha. Have no idea. I’m long MSTR and just glad BTC is holding up. My fantasy (won’t happen) is Japan, China start diversifying treasury holdings with BTC. Then US finds out and it’s a race to horde BTC.

_m0nk_

I feel like I’m being gaslit into believing BTC wont crash hard af 

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GigaCrypto

We are talking about less than two billion in BTC and reservation deposits. Tesla’s cumulative reservation deposits on the books as of May 2025 are estimated at **$645 million**, with a range of $600-700 million to account for uncertainties in reservation counts and cancellation rates. This figure is driven primarily by Cybertruck (~2.5 million reservations at $100) and Roadster (~5,000 at $50,000), with smaller contributions from Model 3/Y/S/X and Semi. For a precise figure, Tesla’s Q1 2025 SEC filing (expected in May 2025) would be needed, but these are not yet available. As of the latest available data, Tesla holds **11,509 Bitcoin (BTC)**, valued at approximately **$1.076 billion** at the end of 2024. This follows a wallet rotation in October 2024, where Tesla moved about $765 million in Bitcoin to unknown wallets, confirmed to still be under their control. The company has not sold any Bitcoin since Q2 2022, when it sold 75% of its holdings, reducing its stash from 43,200 BTC.[](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2025/01/29/tesla-marked-up-bitcoin-holdings-valuation-in-q4-booking-a-usd600m-gain)[](https://cryptobriefing.com/tesla-bitcoin-holdings-billion-2/)[](https://www.coindesk.com/business/2024/10/15/is-elon-musk-selling-bitcoin-tesla-transfers-all-760m-of-its-btc-to-unknown-wallets)

Flimsy_Oil6271

KIDZ is gonna run crazy next week. Keep watch on it. Once it goes above $10, it’s at all time highs. And it already tested $10 resistance twice, so third time is likely to break through. Just look at the charts of JNVR and CEP. Which ran on similar SOL-treasury and BTC-treasury news.

Yesthisisdogmeow

MSTR is selling company stock and using that to generate more BTC. That BTC appreciates in value and that is what raises the price per share. They have a very good debt structure to the point where even if BTC has a winter MSTR has 5 years before they have to make any payments. Every BTC they own is reported and verified. You know exactly how much they paid for it and the current price of BTC. Don’t get me wrong. Could Saylor be wrong? Maybe. Could Btc go to zero? Maybe. That’s why it’s risky. But don’t confuse risk and ponzi.

Deesco5

“Buy all the BTC”

G0D5M0N3Y

You all know what he mean... your all smart enough to understand that the UDS is losing power. 20 dollars could buy you a full cart of groceries and now a full cart is over 200. The world doesnt want USD as a reserve forver and is trying to find "Sound money". BTC market cap is 2T. The worlds financial assets are over 800T. That means that if even 5% of peoples portfolio is in BTC, that means that 1BTC would be worth 20x of what it is now, meaning 2 million dollars/coin. Its just math!

chitoatx

The rich (top 1%) own roughly 50% of the market (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBST01122) The rich are sitting on 70% of all Bitcoin (>a trillion dollars in wealth at current BTC prices). The average person is inconsequential to them as every dip the rich just gobble up more wealth (in 2002 they used to own ~40%). No wonder there is seemingly no resistance to the current affairs as it just creates more buying opportunities for the wealthy. And greed is bipartisan-Nancy Pelosi has 250 million in net worth. Nobody is coming to save us.

MrLagzy

Did he say what he knew? if not then he knows nothing. Sharing that kind of knowledge and having BTC go to $10m would benefit him. Otherwise it's all just speculation - and a control of the narrative which enhances his position. So yeah - he knows nothing and just wanna control the narrative to enhance his company's BTC position.

Longjumping-Bonus723

Tomorrow  for so many reasons I'm too lazy to write em all down. BTC already showing hints and Altcoins very  

Emilio___Molestevez

there is literally nothing less relevant ON EARTH OR IN SPACE than BTC -.5% overnight on a weekend. you are a clown.

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Background_Coast_268

He has to motivate people to buy BTC, that’s why he buys at the top, nobody wants to top blast Bitcoin at 100k lol

Ill-Economics-5512

Wie sieht es mit einer gemeinnützigen Stiftung aus? Damit könnten Projekte finaziert werden, die global gesellschaftlich positive Auswirkungen für Menschen, Tiere und die Natur haben. Bei deiner Weltreise wirst du doch sicher einiges von da draußen mitbekommen haben, wie Menschen leben, in welchem Zustand die Natur ist? Könnten vielfältige Projekte sein. Tierauffangsationen in Afrika/Asien. Oder der Aufbau und Vermittlung von Wissen zu (syntropischen) Agroforstsystemen, um den Boden wieder regenerativ zu bewirtschaften und Armut zu bekämpfen. Wenn du das selbst nicht die ganze Zeit machen willst, dann eben Leute anstellen, die dort vor Ort solche Projekte für dich durchfürhen. Du hast den Jackpot, mit dem viel möglich ist. Hätte ich mal 2010 meine 100€ in BTC gesteckt, das wäre was ich heute damit machen würde. :)

Covid19-Pro-Max

Don’t sell. This is never going through with CDU and even if it does they couldn’t legally do it retroactively (they didn’t with Abgeltungssteuer either back then) so you would still have time to act once it’s announced. And even in the ridiculous parallel universe where SPD would pass a tax law to retroactively tax your holdings, your stack is big enough that you could simply not sell it and take credit with the BTC as collateral if you needed the money. But again, this is not going to happen retroactively so there would be time to lock your winnings before the new law.

SimpleMoonFarmer

You never sell. You borrow against BTC (BTC as collateral with safety margin) and as long as the interests are lower than the BTC price movement, you are good.

Veganarchyst

Just like Plan B Buy BTC ETFs with it, then you can forget about it again and it's in "appropriate" fiat systems so they don't make a stink about it Of course iy misses the point of Bitcoin 100% Bitcoin is about changing the corrupt fiat capitalist banking systems It isn't about making money, though that's what it's become for most in the last 8 years since 2017 It's about changing the system, having an alternative It is punk it is anarchy, it is disruption Who pays taxes on anarchy and disruption? Move it to a hardware wallet so it's private if it isn't

AntonioBlockQuake

If you're serious, find me on LinkedIn and we'll discuss more. Actually a tax expert. From your post, sounds like you're in Germany. If crypto there is currently tax free for gains, sure you can just sell it outright. Another option is tagging ownership to an offshore irrevocable trust to keep it not taxable if you decide to sell. Another option is just holding it for now as is and if the laws change unfavorably, make a tax free jurisdiction your tax residency for the year you plan to sell the crypto where Germany would not be your tax residence that year. Additionally, I'd probably flip half your BTC Holdings over to alt coins that have promise because at current BTC prices, alt coins will naturally perform better percentage wise. Oh also, some folks I know in NYC here have developed an ai bitcoin trading bot that has been proven to work in generating 100%+ returns annually in the spot market, so that's another option to keep multiplying the money while things are still tax free. I think you mentioned retro treatment. I don't think they'll do that because most people don't even have their crypto profits anymore. You'd have some time to figure it out. You've got a lot of options.

Either-Calendar9994

I could use about 0.5 BTC kids are expensive and mortgage is about to go up another $150 a month bc1qx5v05xezr7qk4m9alfu6dvynh37fhrk29kvpak

No_Mercy_4_Potatoes

I'll take the BTC off of your hands so you don't have to deal with taxes.

ZarryPotter64

It’s viable for stable and non-volatile asset classes. Suppose you have an investment of 100€. You take a n-year loan on 50€. At the end of n years, your assets are worth 140€. You take a loan of n-year of 70€ on your un-collateralised assets and pay 50+interest. N-years later when your assets are at 200€, you take a loan of 100 and so on. Assets that grow stably and you can take loan at interest rates lower than the assets average growth, you come out on top. Given BTC is volatile, there is no guarantee that BTC will be higher than when you took the loan and hence not bankable this way.

CatsalsoCookies

No it's not. It's called hedging you wanker. I'm talking more bear put spreads, not a full port on puts. Also, just a fraction of the proceeds from selling XRP and Doge, while letting his main position (BTC) ride for 10+ years

Gangiskhan

Pull it out of BTC and create a trust for your kids. Talk to a financial advisor about the best way to do this to avoid paying out the most in taxes. Crypto is basically a constant grift where it's value is only there if people keep buying it. BTC has kept value and is where it is because a significant portion of it is locked liquidity via lost access. Congrats on securing more generational wealth for your family.

CatsalsoCookies

Holy moly, I think this is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. This is me if I wasn't so regarded and literally did 100+ transactions in BTC in 2013 just to end up with a few hundred in profit and then get bored and stopped thinking about it until it became popular all around much later. Funny thing is.. I was all enthusiastic about and and told my mates at high school (mid 2013 or so) that I would put half my monthly student grant into it, but got shut down by so many that I stopped caring. One of my friends actually followed my advice and made some sick gains out of it as well.. ohh well, life is all, but a game I don't think Germany will do that, perhaps sell out of Doge and XRP when you see a spot some nice price action and let your BTC ride at least for another 10 year or so, especially if you really don't need the money. SPY puts are a good idea tho, we're at a perfect resistance/support on NQ and S&P to, at least, see some retracement.

Keikage

Bro just sell all of the memes and 118 BTC and keep 10 BTC to see where it goes... Put in index funds and generate dividends and more growth... Never have to worry about money ever again + have the cash handy for the pesky tax gremlins

permanent_pixel

You suddenly remembered you bought BTC a decade ago just before it will crash? What a coincidence!

Medical-Walrus-4092

Lol. Are you yourself a BTC millionaire yet? Something tells me no.

AufderReiseumdieWelt

Alright since some of you asked (and some of you didn’t but will read anyway) Here’s a bit more background, for context: Yeah, I’m the guy who bought BTC at $129, XRP at fractions of a cent, and DOGE for laughs. But I didn’t YOLO my life away. I built a business, sold it, and took my wife + 2 kids on a year-long world trip in a f***ing camper van. Woke up with ocean views, mountain views, and kids fighting over Nutella – peak happiness. After that, didn’t retire. Didn’t buy a Lambo. I took a job as a SysAdmin. Why? Because I like tech, I like solving problems, and I’m not trying to impress strangers on the internet (except today I guess). Now I work hybrid: • Some days at home. • Some days in the office. • And sometimes I just pack my laptop and go work from Spain or somewhere warm (thanks, Workation policy). We live rent-free in my wife’s family house. No mortgage, no real estate headaches. No interest in property investing. No Rolex. No Gucci. I literally buy my clothes on Amazon. My “daily driver” is a camper van. Beat that. And no – I’m not depressed or secretly flexing. I’m just genuinely in a weird spot: happy, not rich-rich, but… weirdly “done”? Except I have this ticking crypto time bomb that might get taxed into oblivion if some retroactive BS goes through. So yeah. I’m not trying to humblebrag. I just genuinely don’t know what to do with it. Burn it? NFT it? Let my kids inherit it and hope they don’t spend it on Fortnite skins?

Brett-_-_

I looked up your "BTC Accretion" thing. Easy shoot downs exist. First, Microstrategy employs a little over 1500 employees. They don't work for free. Bitcoin or whatever asset is going to have to be consumed to pay them, plus building costs and overhead. Microstrategy reported a loss from operations most recently that was (-$5.921 Bil). Their funny quarterly report on their site puts up "BTC Yield" and "BTC Gain" in QUOTES of all things. I don't like people like you. You glaze over basic business costs and avoid the fine print in the quarterly report and then return to us with quippy "Do you start to get it now?" Just slither away

Fun-Sundae4060

TSLA gets a TON of hate on Reddit in general and positions in the 7+ figure range too. Like in the Bitcoin sub if people hear you have 10 or more BTC they just want you to just shut up. But if you post that you finally got your first 0.1 BTC today you’ll get hundreds of upvotes. In r/investing the portfolio size doesn’t get as much hate but man any mention of TSLA will have you burned on a stake here. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

LarryStink

Tasty trade. And I basically just trade options on the futures except for some underlyings where markets get too wide after hours and ill scalp the futures directly. Depending on what product you use, margin requirements range from 400$ to 4500$ per contract for most of the products but standard ES, NQ, and BTC contracts are a lot more expensive. It's crucial to use stop losses with extreme risk management when trading the futures directly.

WasKnown

I'm up 70% year over year, haven't had a down year since 2022 when BTC nuked sub $20K.

WasKnown

I'm up 70% year over year, haven't had a down year since 2022 when BTC nuked sub $20K.

JMaguire204

Which is why MSTR is the only investment that makes sense. I would never sell my MSTR. BTC is incorruptible, immutable, decentralized. It embodies freedom and self-sovereignty. All the capital will flow in from fiat, from physical property, from inflationary commodities, and even some equities to hard money like BTC.

Ivy0789

I do it in my Roth on MSTR just for BTC exposure. Get several thousands a month tax free.

McKnuckle_Brewery

Good grief, just move right along. 0.2 BTC is currently worth about $19,000 and I can promise that nobody is giving that to you. Please don't fall for stuff like this. It's literally designed to target naive, gullible people. Don't be one of them.

Narrow-Ad6797

Well, historically it reaches an all time high around 18 mo after the halving, which would be october. THEN the united states now has a BTC reserve + ETFs. The jump we saw because of that stuff right when it happened was pitiful. Then D trump is all about crypto, and he manipulates the fuck out of everything. So imo, they are artificially keeping the price lower somehow (scaring the markets via trumps latest antics? and going to let it rip after they've got their btc / crypto bag. Obviously none of that is fact other than the 18 month thing, but... it seems like. No brainer to me.

mneymaker

Inb4 new Berkshire Management’s strategy is to deploy all cash in BTC. Boom

greyenlightenment

BTC crap price action as always. shorting this so profitable over weekend

JMaguire204

The future is VXUS/BTC. Get in before it’s too late

MoneyMan420-

It's happening. What do you think will happen in a period of deglobalization? Hyperi flation as those dollars come back home. BUY BTC & KAS!!!

NastyStreetRat

Don't forget about BTC, which consumes a lot of energy.

Reasonable_Handle291

Tbh everything is lining up exactly like the Recession. Smarter people than me compare charts and are calling these rallies back to ATH more like "relief rallies" than recoveries. Why the Recession might not happen or might not be so Great if it does: 1. 🥭 plan of Tariffs will pay off our debt and bring back jobs and the world will repect the US more than ever and I'll still be poor and fucking stupid. 2. Warren Buffet will die penniless when the US Dollar is subsidized for BTC. 3. I'll still be poor and fucking stupid because all my Puts expired 1 day before Oblivion.* My real gues that we're going into a Recession and also a Great one is there's too many things that could go wrong. These are my top 3: 1. A surprise massive failure of an institution we thought was doing fine. Bear Sterns/WaMu levels of failure overnight. 2. A super dump of US Treaasury Bonds that looks coordinated by other countries but was actually just random coincidence. If. Countries did coordinate, it would be much more steady pressure and not a shock, so the uncoordinated dump without talking amongst themselves is more likely to cause real devastation than a united front. 3. Everything's Computer and Computer finally gives in to India and Pakistan's and/or US/China/Taiwan's input of "I want to play Global Thermonuclear War" instead of Chess. Calls in shorter and shorter terms as we get closer to previous ATH but long Puts OTM until I am convinced otherwise imdo.

Hungrymon111

He said he's gonna yolo into BTC

Fhyzikz

They're not the ones at the top. Power comes in many forms other than 0s in bank accounts. This admin was largely put in power by tech oligarchs with large BTC holdings thru active spread of/refusal to curb misinfo.

Reasonable_Handle291

Ah yes, Bers rejoice as it is the Bols providing the ultimate signal of market doom: Thinking BTC Sailor Moon knows more than Big Boss Ber Daddy Buffet. Not long now. Per one of my moves, on every climb back to ATH stupidity, going to buy a Put that went down to $0.05 - $0.01 depending on how aggressive the increase was as far out as possible. BTC is a house of nothing and will be forgotten as soon as the first EMP Nuke hits that atmosphere. B Man's house in Omaha will still be there because Nebraska would not be one of the prime targets.

Perfect_Toe_6526

He did similar thing while markets were recovering from COVID crash, what did he that time? Enter into other sectors? He should buy BTC now with the cash file

Tactical_Dan

That's really nice that you looked into it. The way I validate if I'm doing better than nothing is by taking my asset amounts from 4 years ago and multiplying them by today's prices. By that metric I've only done 4.5% / y, and that's with a strong crypto holding already in my account at that time. It could be looking at the BTC chart, I started investing when Bitcoin was around 60k last cycle and had to endure the whole winter til now where it's up at 95k, which isn't amazing by itself, though the other little goofy cryptos could have helped a bit. I wish I had better tools to figure out how each of my assets individually negatively or positively affected my strategy

Individual_Error_428

I get your point… btc volatility does create demand for convertibles (they win either way through principal + int bottom line and equity upside), and in theory, that can make NAV additive for shareholders so long as financing can keep going. Not really sure what you mean by mNAV… But the risk is undeniably there. This strategy hinges on continued access to cheap capital and BTC rising fast enough to outpace dilution. If credit tightens or BTC stalls, shareholders are left holding the bag while bond holders have priority lien over the btc as a safety cushion. It’s not that your thesis is wrong, but it assumes ideal conditions persist, which history shows is rarely the case

JMaguire204

There will always be significant demand for convertible bonds because of BTCs high vol. this warrants a high mNAV, and as long as it’s greater than 1, it’s accretive for common stock holders. New shareholders will always make money as long as BTC is volatile. And BTC will be volatile for a long, long time. By the time the volatility subsides MSTR will have acquired millions of bitcoins.

Beneficial_Matter424

Op, the negativity in here puts sentiment on your side. You're basically playing for a massive short squeeze. No reason this time can't be more extreme than last time - moves both ways are insane and getting more insane over time. How much money short right now from these comments alone? Nfa, roll into something better. It sounds like you're holding this bitch to 0 and you're already balls out - sell and roll your profits into single name(s). Some of these stocks are set to squeeze Volkswagen style. Imagine BTC rips and squeezes mstr. Tsla gets full self driving approved nationally or x goes public. China strikes a deal to rent chips on American soil to bypass export concerns. In 2020 people were so bearish they couldn't imagine new ath came as quick as they did. Even more so in singles, see zm. They said $1t market cap companies couldn't rip $2t - they did. I disagree with your whole premise but I see you and would love to see $680. Several comments pointed out it's a dead cat bounce on retail buying - I hear institutions are offsides and underweight. Who's lagging, and by how much? Can they survive another year underperforming the market or do they have to cover and reverse? Are they long bonds and short tech with massive losses? There's a massive wall of worry but so far we've scrambled over it and shocked many. Panicans and globalists in shambles. At some point, someone cries uncle and market buys - from you. Psychopath. Good luck

greyenlightenment

BTC weekend dump and futures open flattish as always. same pattern almost every week this year and 2024

Perfect_Toe_6526

Buy BTC with profits

rriggsco

Wish there were BTC futes options.