BYD

BaxBaxPop

Tesla sells EVs for a profit, BYD does not, even with the slave labor.

Lanzarote-Singer

I’m seeing a lot more BYD electric cars in Europe. Lovely looking and cheap. They also don’t fall apart when you slam the door a bit hard.

Current_Animator7546

BYD lol 

Current_Animator7546

Iran is setting themselves to squeeze the supply for a long time. The market is bullish on peace prospects, and I do get it. The supply shock will become an issue. China is the big winner as people turn to the likes of BYD and their chips. The US getting away from renewable energy is going to bite us big time 

HumblebeesGhost

BYD recently announced their hyper-fast EV charging tech breakthrough. Can charge an EV in under 5 minutes. I wonder if this is a factor? https://www.wired.com/story/how-byds-ev-charger-got-even-faster-and-it-might-not-matter-as-much-as-you-think/

WulfOnTheJob

they work basically manual labor jobs in prison camps. Agriculture and construction is the biggest as they more or less require not that much previous skills. similar thing as what happened with BYD

Smurf_Crime_Scene

BYD coming into Canada... it'll be the end for TSLA trash.

-BabysitterDad-

>smaller, cheaper electric SUV Doesn’t BYD already have one of those?

treenewbee_

Don't be surprised; most manufacturers in China operate this way. BYD was simply discovered overseas. Brazil is a prime example. While Westerners enjoyed cheap Chinese products, they had no idea what the CCP used to produce them.

lattice_defect

he's dumping BYD ate his lunch... going to push hard into spacex... yeah hate the player and the game.

chronoistriggered

Tsla Mkt cap is about 7 times that of BYD. There’s nothing in the fundamentals that can explain this

Trolling-4-dollars

I suspect that most countries that have large auto companies are going to resist Chinese imports without very high tariffs for the foreseeable future. BYD relies on government subsidies representing nearly 40% of their profits. This is viewed as unfair trade practice by most countries, and if they slap 50-125% tariffs in these cars (as China did at one point to US made Teslas) they will have a difficult challenge getting a strong foothold. Countries that don’t have domestic production are probably already on their way to becoming primarily Chinese auto markets.

StepAsideJunior

The source for these allegations against this particular BYD plant in Hungary is the U.S. Funded (via the NED) China Labor Watch NGO based in Washington D.C. China Labor Watch is not exactly the most partial source and explains why zero actual sources are presented for every single accusation. Even CBS stated at the very end of the article: "CBC News has not independently verified any of the allegations."

AyumiHikaru

TBH, BYD is really better at making EV than the rest of the world

dinnerthief

BYD is people!

crvarporat

BYD is losing market race in China unfortunately

notreallydeep

>Compared to the hype and praise around Tesla (which according to the articles below is top2 or top3) , I don't see comparable reactions for the BYD company, why is that? Elon Musk. That's why.

Glad-Assist-6230

So that’s a no, you have nothing to actually back up your claim about the biggest driver of price difference for BYD? You could have just said that, you didn’t need to go on a diatribe.

Trolling-4-dollars

• Top SUV: In 2025, the Model Y was crowned the best-selling SUV (across all fuel types) in China with over 425,000 units sold, significantly outpacing competitors. • Competition: While leading in the premium sector, lower-priced NEVs (New Energy Vehicles) from BYD often compete for the absolute top spot in total volume. • Strong Performance: Despite high competition from models like the Xiaomi SU7, the Model Y remains a market leader in China. So far, Tesla is doing pretty well, which doesn’t guarantee future performance.

Glad-Assist-6230

This article is about a specific investigated instance of that by BYD. I told you what I took issue with. Do you have evidence to back up your claim that the biggest reason their prices are lower is because they don’t price gouge, or are you just going to rail vaguely at the US more?

stoked_7

Go back and look at all of the posts where Reddit users complain that BYD should be allowed in the US because fair competition should exist.

Glad-Assist-6230

I take issue with your claim that the BIGGEST difference (read reason for lower prices) is a lack of price gouging. This article covers a completed investigation pointing to what practically amounts to indentured servitude. You are handwaving it away as ‘lower wages’. ‘Well it didn’t happen on the mainland’ is a nothing statement. It happened, and it’s BYD, whether the sites are in China, Europe, or elsewhere. Then you do the ol’ whatabout simply by throwing vague abuse claims about the US. Your comments look to intentionally minimize the inexcusable practices outlined in the investigation and instead paint the company as reasonable and just more efficient. It’s disingenuous.

InferenceWorkload

In the article CBC has said they did not independently verify these allegations directly in the article themselves. So I don’t know what journalism is being done here. China does use slave labour heavily in some industries, but the auto industry, and especially BYD, is heavily roboticized. So much so, to the point where some plants are considered dark factories because they never have to turn on the lights most of the time because it is only robots working. So I do wonder why human slave labor is being unverifiably alleged here given that a robot is the ultimate slave.

Decent-Photograph391

As some of the replies to my first comment said, it can be both true and a hit piece. I never said there is no truth to the accusations. I only said it’s a hit piece. It’s well timed to the impending arrival of Chinese EVs into the Canadian market. So the question is, who has the most to gain (more like, least to lose) with a tarnished BYD reputation. To those who don’t know, the accusations are that working conditions are bad for those building the factory that will build the cars. Not the (mostly) robots that will be building the cars Canadians will be buying. Fact is, people in the west are simply not comfortable with the work cultures of East Asia. The Japanese are morbidly famous for karoshi, cases where workers literally dropping dead at their work desk from exhaustion. China also has the 996 work culture, where people work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. One last point: when Taiwanese managers and engineers came to Arizona to train up US workers for the chip factory, they found US workers to be lazy and less than fully motivated.  I have no BYD stocks, or any Chinese stocks for that matter.

PornoPaul

Well, exactly. Lower wages and fewer protections mean lower overall cost. Consider the US for example, has many products that compete with Chinese made products. But because we have higher wages, insurance, PTO, EPA standards, etc, the end product is going to cost more. So if both factories produce similar products, one will be cheaper. I keep reading BYD has cars on par with some of the better EV cars made elsewhere, but for less. Thats your reason.

RobbieJianada

It is a pretty high tech industry that requires a lot of skill. I would be shocked if the workers were not highly trained. We are not talking about farmer's fields here - BYD is challenging Tesla for the best all electric vehicles on the market.

vipprocr

this is why i don't touch BYD no matter how cheap it looks on the charts.. reputational risk like this doesn't price in slowly, it gaps down.

GR1ZZLYBEARZ

Lmao sure bud, BYD will be the next company installing suicide nets instead of dealing with the root cause.

Decent-Photograph391

Why are you so worked up? This is not new accusations by the way, I’ve read similar articles before. Canadian interests putting out these accusations to preempt the entrance of BYD into the Canadian market, hoping to tarnish their reputation. It won’t work though, the quota is 49,000 units for all Chinese makes. Every car will be snapped up by Canadians sick and tired of outdated and overpriced crap they are currently forced to buy.

Icy_Acanthisitta7741

So you got an invite to BYD manufacture plant? ok. General Kim also invite people to visit NK and quite a bit shared how advance NK is too, they even wrote their own computer OS.

PlanetCosmoX

You should read the article as a BYD shareholder. It’s a completed investigation and not an allegation.

PlanetCosmoX

This is a little different because the investigation was completed, and those Western governmental departments can use the Poland investigation to limit BYD trade due to this violation and they typically operation automatically outside of legislative control. Which means that BYD is on the verge of loosing its ability to sell to any nation that has anti slavery laws, and politicians of those countries cannot stop the process.

Icy_Acanthisitta7741

Or considered China's "ethic" this is probably true. >Anyone who actually went to china understands that it's just isn't true. Did everyone went to China get a tour of BYD manufacturing plant something?

PlanetCosmoX

You clearly never read the article. The article is centred on Poland with a supporting allegation from Brazil. This is signal for you to sell your shares, or be a bag-holder. You should know what comes next when trade departments in Western countries move to block BYD automatically based on laws that alarmed exist. This is outside of the control of legislators and politicians.

00raiser01

Considering that's it's very likely a bold face lie by BYD competitors because they're scared of competition. Anyone who actually went to china understands that it's just isn't true.

PlanetCosmoX

What you’re describing is well paid mining or exploration work on a rotating shift where each shift is still limited based on danger. He’s not working 14 hours unless he’s sitting around for most of the day waiting for an aircraft to show up. Then he gets an extended days off, so several days in a row, and he gets pay that is well above the minimum wage. As in, he still gets time off, and he’s very well compensated. What’ happening here with BYD is in violation of all work laws from Europe to Canada, to the US, to Australia… the entire west. Now that this is public, government departments will be moving to verify the report made in Poland, once verified they’ll all shut out BYD from operating in those markets. BYD gets a limit amount of time to correct their practice in Poland. What typically happens is that the company is unable to operate the factory with a profit and is forced to shutdown. So this is your warning with respect to investing in BYD if you have invested in this company.

Smurf_Crime_Scene

I pine for BYD electric automobile, why TSLA go up?

jflbball

[https://starlink.com/](https://starlink.com/) Rivian net income 2025: -3.65B Lucid net income 2025: -2.7B BYD net income 2025: 4.5B Ford net income 2025: -8.2B Tesla net income 2025: +3.8B You're a sharp one.

stoked_7

Beating BYD in BEV sales for Q1 is not dead dead deadski...

stoked_7

What's not being said is that Tesla surpassed BYD in global BEV car sales for Q1.

FoShizzleShindig

Tesla outsold BYD this quarter.

shinigami_2245

Just saw a BYD electric semi truck in the wild, puts on everything, we’re fuckin cooked

Valuable_Net_1517

I seen a lot of BYD in my street in Europe. They are really eye catching and look great on the inside too. I keep trying to not buy Chinese but it's tempting.

r3volts

Not sure about Europe, but this isn't true for Australia. We have a shitload of full electric Chinese cars. There is still a sizeable plug in hybrid market, but the full EV market is surging here. We don't have a domestic manufacturer anymore so I don't give a shit. I've owned a BYD seal for the last couple years and it's the best car I've ever owned.

nordicminy

Wish I could buy BYD in USA.

jwrig

Because the industry measures it based on production not number of cars. Teslas unsold inventory amounts to a week and a half of inventory. Most us manufactured have about 10-12 weeks of inventory on hand, BYD has eight to ten weeks on hand, Toyota has a out five weeks. About the only one who doesn't is rivian and they pretty much keeps a 1:1 ratio for that demand scarcity.

EmbarrassedPart1256

Warren Buffett bought BYD once upon a time 🤙 just gotta make sure they’re not scammy

Redebo

It's entirely possible to hate the man (although you shouldn't as he's mentally challenged and it's just too easy to poke fun at regards) AND understand that what he did for both space travel/launches and EV's in the USA are groundbreaking. NOBODY was buying EV's before Tesla. NOBODY. Without Tesla, there isn't even a Rivian, or a BYD. HE proved that if you made them cool enough, that even AMERICANS would buy EV's and fuck all if he wasn't right.

cafedude

> They are the best cars if the segment bans BYD/china Even without the protectionism, I'm not sure they're the best cars anymore. Hyndai/Kia are making some really good EVs now, for example.

MegalodonBite

They are the best cars if the segment bans BYD/china. Tesla simply lost to China - USA is protecting them ofc because we are a socialist country pretending to be capitalist.

Euler007

VW, BMW, Toyota, BYD, Geely.

me_xman

BYD will eat Tesla alive for lunch.

NoRecommendation4163

One thing that really stands out is that [Tesla](https://www.stockcounterparts.com/companies/tesla)'s China sales in 2025 were basically unchanged from 2024. That feels pretty telling given how brutal competition has become. BYD is pushing hard across the board with price, performance, and charging speed, and it is raising the bar for everyone. Tesla still looks like the main non-Chinese EV company that can compete seriously in that environment, while the German brands are improving, just from a lower base.

Ok-Parfait-9856

What’s your DD? I’m asking out of genuine interest, not trying to be a prick. I’m sure Tesla will eat shit eventually but I don’t see how rivian will have much more growth. Car companies aren’t usually highly valued. They make a good luxury car but most of the EV demand seems to be at the budget level. Plus there so much competition in the EV space, and demand for high end EVs isn’t something I’d expect to grow much (opposed to the high demand for cheap cars like BYD). A Porsche Taycan depreciates like crazy, just for example.

Ok-Parfait-9856

I live in a comfortable neighborhood and same, lots of rivians. Way more than teslas. They’re a bit expensive for what you get but they’re also improving rapidly. Considering the baggage surrounding teslas image and that no one wants EV versions of ice cars, rivian will probably do well as a car company. But as far as financials, I’m more skeptical. Lots of competition in the EV space, and demand growth seems to be on the budget end (BYD, etc.) Plus car companies aren’t usually well performing stocks. Tesla is a special case, emphasis on special.

miata_only

$TSLA will be at interstellar💫 levels by the end of April. Melon🍉 is just playing his 420-dimensional chess♟ and everyone that's bearish🐻 is stuck in their plain old X, Y, and Z Cartesian coordinate system. We're about to see the new Giga Caracas factory🏭 cranking out Cybertrucks faster than a Starship rocket could launch your mom into geosynchronous orbit🚀🚀. ALSO rumor has it battery day 🔋 in June is going to unveil a new plaid edition LiPo powered dildo that charges⚡ in 69 seconds AND comes with FSD (Full Self Dildo'ing) 🍆 and Cheetah mode. PLUS unlike companies in Gyna...cough cough BYD(eez nuts) 🥜...Easy E-Muskrat knows best how to run a capitalist business (aka cook the books 👨‍🍳📚).

toroMaximo

Hyundai? BYD? Polestar? Kia? All building better EVs than Elon who has to sell his dumpsters to ICE and the cops

MezoDog

BYD

Closed_CasketRequiem

Status symbol. But look into BYD. These are luxury EVs that outperform Teslas by every metric and are a fraction the price.

miltonfriedman7

BYD is the alibaba of EV stocks. IYKYK

lOo_ol

That's just it, Tesla is not "at the front of it", neither in self driving software, nor in EV or batteries. That's why sales are not growing. Americans are clueless because they've never seen a BYD or a Li Auto, but you can still go over their financials to see how the market views each brand. Tesla's revenue dropped by -2% between 2023 and 2025 (whole fiscal years). During the same period, BYD's revenue and profits increased by +33%, and that's without the US market, where Tesla is legally/politically protected against Chinese competition. Tesla now offers inferior products while being once first-to-market. Thinking they'll lead in industries where they don't even have a product yet, while others are already in production (and use) is crazy.

glyptometa

BYD. Solid and stylish cars, with good tech, but they're more than that. Originally a battery company, and still strong in batteries. Not the top battery company in non-car power storage but still pretty big. Well managed too. They didn't try to move from battery production to cars on their own. They bought a company that was already producing cars. Berkshire Hathaway owned 10% of it for over 20 years, so that's some great management input built into the DNA. Building factories outside China; sells more electric cars than any other company. Also doing alright in buses, so likely well-positioned for growth in freight vehicles. Making solid strides in 5 and 10-minute charging as well, which will be important in some markets. All that USA-centric bafflegab about remotely shutting cars off is just hogwash. China believes in trading and commerce. As if they would clobber a market by shutting cars off. Hell, GM invented that capability! Listening to you? Tracking your movements? As if USA companies are not capable of all this and more. What an utter joke. Anyway, they're selling millions of cars all over the world, just not in that 4% of the market. Who cares. For heavens sake, they run their own self-owned car transport vessels. Seems they kinda know what they're doing.

Illustrious_Hotel527

Off the top of my head. Chinese EV: NIO, XPEV, Li. BYD is listed in foreign markets; pink sheets in the US. Lithium: SQM, ALB. LAC is speculative. Chinese tech EV: PONY, WRD. Battery tech: QS.

Icy-Sheepherder-7595

The Chinese cars also like to implode on themselves a lot despite what some of the tankies wanna believe. As good as BYD may be there are 200 other Chinese car makers that are awful and they're all flooding foreign markets with overproduction. China in general is never invest in, as a westerner, they have every reason to screw us over. No trust.

kinetic_honda

BYD sells a lot of EVs all over the world

weluckyfew

Tesla is currently valued at more than Toyota, Ford, GM, VW, Honda and BYD combined. It is beyond ridiculous. The usual answer the fanboys give is "It's not a car company, it's a tech company!" What tech? * Vaporware robots being pitched as household retail items, as if anyone is going to pay $40K+ for something to do the dishes and laundry (neither of which is realistic anytime soon anyway) My brother works for a real robotics company (actual commercial sales) and he always points out one simple fact: who is gonna buy a robot that could tip over and crush your toddler? * Grok AI? Currently has only a tiny market share, and is facing huge legal issues in Europe. * Its batteries? Chinese companies are setting the standards in that field.

WickOfDeath

BYD, MAXN, Oersted and everything else active in renewables to the moon. This is a wake up call that the world has to learn to reduce CO2 emissions - which is interestingly possible. 20% off? Some people ween, as they always do. Drive electric, charge it solar, thats it.

carlos5577

If only BYD had options.

Closed_CasketRequiem

I genuinely don't understand why people think Tesla has a future. Trump set tariffs on Canada, so Canada is trading with China more, they are planning on importing super nice and cheap EVs from China, companies like BYD. Once those cars start crossing the border, American EV companies are cooked.

BullfrogLevel2087

Like anybody has a choice - calls on BYD

GhostofBallersPast

Renewables will power AI. New battery tech will give better and cheaper storage and fix the intermittence issues, CATL and BYD are already making moves to enter the market full time. That’s my bet.

XorAndNot

Its the same price than it was in 2021 too, idk, it seems that with oil heading towards vahala, BYD should be more valued given their products.

XorAndNot

BYD stock (1211) numbers are insane, somebody has any reasonable explanation why its so beat up?

McKoijion

Let’s try this again without commentary to avoid tripping the censorship filter: > I Drove The BYD Seagull. This $8,000 Chinese EV Is Scary Good https://insideevs.com/reviews/769113/byd-seagull-good-video-drive/ > BYD’s 9-Minute Charge Could Change EVs Forever https://www.autoblog.com/news/byds-9-minute-charge-could-change-evs-forever > BYD's EVs are unlikely to show up in the US anytime soon. Here's why. https://www.usatoday.com/story/cars/shopping/new-cars/2026/01/23/byd-cars-us-chinese-ev-canada/88318584007/

Dude_HaHa

Well if regulations are relaxed, BYD can sell cars here and we can invest in it.

Dude_HaHa

Have you heard of BYD and other manufacturers, retard? Some of y'all truly live in a bubble and it shows.

Gullible_Ad3785

Ya he went big, dumb, and expensive while BYD smoked him on better tech and cheaper tech. Don't do drugs kids 

kaapooj

Grenergy acquires 2.6 GWh of batteries from BYD Energy Storage for Central Oasis https://grenergy.eu/grenergy-acquires-2-6-gwh-of-batteries-from-byd-energy-storage-for-central-oasis/ byd getting marketshare in energy storage from european companies

Dude_HaHa

At least MSFT produces products worth a damn. TSLA only survives due to trickery to ban far superior EVs like BYD.

CutComfortable8003

BYD report seems to be out, but corrupted for me. Thanks for the analysis, made me want to dig deeper again for investing! Reference: [https://www.bydglobal.com/cn/en/BYD\_ENInvestor/InvestorAnnals\_mob.html](https://www.bydglobal.com/cn/en/BYD_ENInvestor/InvestorAnnals_mob.html)

pranay_227

Really appreciate the deep dive this week it highlights how different each story is under the China tech label One thing that has helped me when tracking multiple companies and segments is visual mapping I use Runable to create simple dashboards comparing revenues margins growth rates and strategic initiatives across companies Seeing Tencent Alibaba Xiaomi Meituan and BYD side by side makes it clear which are compounders which are in investment cycles and which are scaling into new markets It also helps me quickly spot trends like EV ramp ups overseas or cloud revenue growth without getting lost in spreadsheets For anyone following multiple sectors within a region I recommend trying a visual tool like Runable to organize insights and make comparison easier

qitcryn

Great points made.. I've been loading on NIO (not mentioned) and BYD... I've traveled SEA region over the past 2 years and each trip..im seeing more and more them.. they are priced very, very aggressively for global domination..and with the oil prices especially in the region.. This war will be the lynch-pin for their rise

seeking-health

The chinese are releasing their own gpu (lisuan) next june they say it outperforms rtx 4060 .. not bad for building first gpu from scratch This can be the next BYD and could nvidia

Plane-Salamander2580

I'm only long BYD out of this list. If international doesn't carry, this thing will stay surpressed for even longer and the downside likely continues. Price action has been bullish probably in anticipation of annual report. What's your fixation with A shares? If your thesis or tilt is in tech, why care whether it has A shares or not? Help me understand this. Also, you're looking at dumbed down ETFs tailor made for US audiences, don't expect highly refined methodology in stockpicking for these funds, just slapping a China QQQ branding and putting it up on shelves.

CATLLM

BYD and other Chinese EV car makers are reporting record uptick in sales.

604wrongfullybanned

This. Chinese cars eg BYD, are opening dealerships up here by years end, and their EVs are WAY cheaper than anything American or European. I've yet to drive one or even see one but based on the YouTube reviews, they are definitely going to give the legacy brands a run for their money.

JustBrowsinAndVibin

BYD has better EVs SpaceX makes about $10-20B annually without growing much and the market cap will be $1.5T.

deHaga

Tesla is getting wrecked anyway. BYD eating their lunch in Asia. Anti nazi and anti American sentiment in Europe, and no more EV tax credits in the US

VellyJanta

My dad never went to high school, invested his life savings in SPY and that Chinese company BYD in 2020. He bought Boyd Gaming by mistake and is up like 230%

StevieWonder557

I test drove the BYD Chinese EV car and let me tell you - it is dope for $35K

Short-Beautiful-9403

You can criticise Musk. I freely admit he has many flaws. Can you admit that he also does amazing things? This is what I meant by derangement. Pure hatred. Can not seperate your hatred with reality. Everything he touches has to be shit. Doesn’t matter how much they are valued at. Doesn’t matter how many times he’s repeatedly created value at different companies. Me and my Reddit buddies know better and are smarter than him. If you said Google is a better company, sure. BYD is better?, that’s pushing it but also has a case. But your saying Tesla and SpaceX are shit. Deranged.

International_Box671

I hope so, but realistically it will take a lot longer than a year. The first part will bring on more remote areas of oil and gas that are to expensive to bother now. Here in Bangkok we currently have fuel shortages in the rural areas with some some taxi drivers refusing to take people on longer trips. However the government has done some simple things like eliminating tariffs on EVs so there are quite a few BYD, GWM and Tesla cars. I rode in a BYD, beautiful car, not as good as a Tesla but cheaper. If they were allowed in the USA they would be a hot seller. So at least for the short term, Oil Service suppliers and international EV with a Chinese base will likely be the big winners.

nzlax

What? He doesn’t have to meet my ideals for me to invest money in his company? What proof? They have a cult following that’s it. It’s not because they make better products. SpaceX got the govt contracts because he agreed to hire the person making that decision to SpaceX after they awarded the grants. They didn’t win it on merit. Tesla has 350 patent families. BYD has 25,000. Tesla hasn’t innovated shit, what they did to become popular was to make EV’s exciting, which was done before Musk joined. That was in the companies blueprint since inception.

Treverer

Maybe the war will kick off a more massive market correction in the sense of a huge capital shift. Away from the old fossil fuel bullshit industries, more to renewable energy and other future technologies. BYD showrooms are apparently bustling. Then at least something really good would come out of it.

Potential_Salt_5780

I meant stocks. Obvious answers are oil companies but that might be short term. People’s behaviors will change, which is more long term. So will EV makers like BYD gain a lot? China is energy dependent and their build out of charging infrastructure as well as battery tech were already accelerating. This geopolitical chaos may further fuel the fire.

Intrepid-Song

At this rate you can only afford an BYD

Forsaken-Cattle152

Careful you don't get rimmed... neither has particularly sexy financials. If it has to be one of the two, BYD hands-down. Nios lineup is lackluster sind 2023.

ManyHead6662

BYD calls

PaperHandsTheDip

**> then the us should use coal and nat gas for heating and electricity.**  100% shouldn't. They should use \*the cheapest option\*. Which is currently... solar. It's literally cheaper than natural gas right now -- and getting cheaper every year. Utility scale solar costs \~38-78/MWh, as compared to an average of \~48-109 per nat gas (depending location). Also far cleaner and it also lasts longer. The US has perverse incentives keeping oil alive. **> keeping oil for transportation only.**  This does make sense for internal combustion engines -- however the priority should really be moving over to EVs. They're cheaper (and more efficient) at scale. China is really winning the race there. Look at BYD - they are insanely good cars. Starting at less than $10k USD, ie: the Seagull. BYD seagull: 400km range, 5 door, 4 seat, 30 minute charge time. Designed for cities. That is their cheapest option. They have options that have over 950km (550mile) ranges for \~40k usd. The US literally cannot compete. Fords CEO bought one and used it for a month. He went on record saying he loves it, didn't want to go back to a ford and the us is "very far behind". **> allow nuclear** Nuclear isn't very efficient tho. It's quite costly (and there are other risks involved). It's one of the most expensive forms of energy. **> give tax breaks for solar and wind** They don't even need to do that. Solar is literally cheaper than natural gas right now -- and getting cheaper every year. **>  steal their patents when they get better** China is already far ahead. See above - it's cheaper.

Mental-At-ThirtyFive

Just read BYD dealers in Asia are packed with people wanting to move away from ICE. Iran is allowing Chinese, Indian and now Japanese tankers to pass through Hormuz. Expect Koreans to do the same. Saudis will be the saviours for Europe but wondering is there is a gap in the products that shipped via Hormuz It is not just China winning, but winning easily as the US global soft power has disappeared within a year - who the fuck thought this will happen.