BYD

Popular_Register_440

Put a couple £K into BYD and quite down. Still believe in the company but wish I had invested earlier. Put less than a grand into CloudFlare and wish I had put a ton more in.

jimmux

For the next demo they should literally flip over a BYD Shark.

GSmithDaddyPDX

They don't need to be competitive as long as chinese models are banned in the US. But eventually people will likely get fed up with the ban just because we can't be competitive due to greed etc. Who is the actual market? Working people, eg the majority of the population? Are they buying supercars to get to work? Or do they want a good affordable electric with amazing features for a price they can actually buy it? Look at the numbers: BYD Seal ~$24,500, Tesla Model 3 ~$32,300 (cheapest tesla model). BYD Seagull ~$10,300 — Tesla has no comparable model here, nothing below $30k. We don't have to be competitive if we just ban better/cheaper products, yes, but ... what? Is that the point you're trying to make?

GSmithDaddyPDX

I was hoping a human would walk out of the car at the end of any of the demonstrations. This isn't even something they're confident enough to put a person inside of. Who is the product for? Are car flying parks going to be built like rocket league? Who would both be able to afford that, and put their own body in the car? Maybe a spectator sport? Still not quite the product that makes sense right now with BYD etc. coming for the whole of the USA's lunch. As an engineer though it was a really cool demo!

Suitable_Switch5242

Search around for which vehicles Tesla is using their in-house 4680 cells in. The only information is about the Cybertruck and some specific Model Y variants which just started this year. Presumably the Cybercab as well which is still very low volume. Model 3 and Y in the US mostly use Panasonic cells currently. Sometimes in the past they have used imported LG or CATL cells. In Europe they also use BYD blade cells for some variants. This isn’t controversial information if you follow Tesla or their suppliers.

Suitable_Switch5242

Tesla buys most of its batteries from Panasonic, LG, CATL, and BYD like everyone else.

sahui

In the meanwhile, BYD sells 20K USD electric cards all over the world.

MyNameWasTakenBroo

Oh wow. Anyway. How about cheap electric cars that run well and are cheap to maintain. If only existed something like that. Oh it does! BYD.

TheLastGoodRiot

Fair on launch cost, SpaceX wins today. But cost is temporal, not a moat and we all know what happens when you give incentive (geopolitical risk) to the Chinese. The State massively invest in technology to the point of undercutting private companies (i.e BYD). China's reusable rocket technogy might be 5 years out, so the real battle ground segment and customer lock-in, not $/kg. Starlink is capacity constrained and is currently raising prices in emerging markets. Spacesail is taking contracts in Africa and Brazil because Starlink can't serve everyone affordably. Also, emNATO aligned country (Turkey) just recently signed an agreement with China to develop Satellite/Space technology, which could remove many hurdles that China has had when it came to components, access to neutral network and other things that was making the investement in its technology look less attractive. So we'll see. [source](https://www.trtworld.com/article/0ef2358ef78a)

Carfr33k

Tesla has 4% of the Chinese market and BYD has 23%.

DelilahsDarkThoughts

How does selling 325,632 more units losing, and in q3 BYD sold 760k vehicles compared to 481k tesla globally

Fluid_Strategy7368

interesting remark. Except that BYD is actually losing to Tesla in its own market in China. Check the figures!

__redruM

So this was 5 months ago. And both stocks mentioned (CATL and BYD) are down over 30%. And my recommendation is up 22%. So if OP took my advice they’d have saved themselves a 30% loss and made 22% on top. Setting aside how right I was… Yes sodium may be a good choice, in the future, for large battery installations, but may not be a good investment opportunity, now compared to other tech.

McOmghall

Literally BYD makes better and prettier cars

NateInEC

BYD ....

Unknown2UMe

BYD > Tesla

calvin_tam

Loses to BYD, hmm.. what if EV, but rocket thrusters! Thought process, probably

CardinalHijack

You would not afford this type of positivity to anyone else other than Elon lol. Imagine if BYD pulled this crap, we would be in stitches.

poega

If BYD did this everyone would be screaming to everyone they know about how Tesla has been overtaken and Trump would throw a tantrum on twitter.

OrangMiskin

Give us BYD in the US, you pussy. Nobody asked for kick flipping cars. LMAO

DotesMagee

First, they can't sell them in America thanks to Trumps collusion with Elon. Second, Tariffs are marked at 100%, 3rd BYD SMOKING Tesla worldwide. 4mil compared to 800k last year. On pace for 4mil this year. Expansion doubled year over year. They are already eating Teslas hopes n dreams. 4th, they absolutely meet out standards. Far better than Teslas in fact. Personally, I can't wait to buy one when this admin is hopefully in prison

Staff_Infection_

Tesla long ago lost BYD. This is a dog and pony show.

almost_dubaid

Wow. Such hate. Had it been BYD, there would be champagnes popped.

in_a_pickle_97

Dude I am so ready for when Chinese technology becomes a normal part of everyday automotive engineering. I think a lot of people are brainwashed to think "Chinese = bad", but there's no country making greater strides in design than they are. Especially in the realm of electric vehicles. I'm close enough to Canada that I could theoretically go buy a BYD Canadian car. The Atto 8 is so impressive.

Ok_Suspect3940

And I will still pay to get a BYD and not this POS 🤣

rv009

Will be released in 10 years....like all his products. In that time china will have copied it and shipped it by next year for a couple of bucks on the new BYD.

Fast_Instance2173

We’re talking tech not popularity or taste. Engineering wise, BYD is light years ahead of Tesla. Remove the powerplant from the conversation and fucking Ford is light years ahead of Tesla engineers. Tesla is not a good automotive manufacturer. It’s popular but so is the cx90, grand Cherokee, and rogue but those are all fucking terrible cars

DurabilityAdvocate

BYD is showing off cars that charge from 10%-97% in 10 minutes that demonstrate genuine game-changing technology that will be used by billions of people by 2050. Tesla is showing off a toy for the .001%. The people that lead us hate us.

Lake-Life

BYD is still better. This is a peter pan play joke

spawndoorsupervisor

If BYD had posted this video, Redditors would be losing their minds over how cool it was.

ZhangtheGreat

Meanwhile, over at BYD…

zeekayz

Who needs $10K BYD cars when you can get a $350K Tesla Roadster that's not street legal and will sell out their full 10 copy production to Qatar?

Deep_Calls_007

Instead of those formula one type cars, I would watch cars like these competing. Imagine BYD vs Tesla ‘do whatever you want to win’ competition.

Far-Curve-7497

no.. you don't get it, my BYD seafishstingrayseal is better than the model Y for $5k less!1!!11!11

NoCommonDog

BYD going to be building cars in Canada soon.

Anning312

It's catching up to Tesla pretty quickly, but yeah it's not gonna drive Tesla out of business that quickly. However, both BYD and MG outsold Tesla last month in the UK.

OonaPelota

If BYD was allowed into this market, Tesla would go POOF like a lit fart.

stiucsirt

Temu BYD headass company

phatelectribe

I live between the USA and Europe. I go 4-6 times a year back and forth but don’t take my word for it, just look up Tesla deliveries in Europe. They’re abysmal; \>January through April 2026 saw deep contractions in several regions (such as a 49% year-over-year drop in April according to the [European Automobile Manufacturers' Association](https://www.acea.auto/)) driven by intense competition from brands like BYD and Volkswagen, aging vehicle lineups, and reputational challenges.

SanDisk_Made_Me_Itch

Gonna be like Ford. Limited to sell in the US because everyone outside IS is buying BYD and not $100k pavement princess trucks 

MikeCheck_CE

My point is that people are not buying TSLA today as a car company... That's gonna get crushed by BYD.. It's a robotics company now.

Legitimate_Risk_1079

TSLA | Tesla - Current Price: $378.00 - Current Market Cap: ~$1.49T - Bull Target (12–18m): $480–$550 - Bear Target: $260–$300 - Upside: +27% to +46% - Downside: -21% to -31% - Reward-to-Risk: ~1.4:1 - Success Probability: 60% (estimated) - Expected ROI: +12% (estimated) - Forward P/E: ~196 - Debt-to-Equity: 0.18 🟢 - Dividend Yield: 0% - 1-Year Return: +8.29% 🟢 - 5-Year Return: +41.20% 🟢 - Profitability: Profitable 🟢 - Revenue Growth: +11.76% TTM 🟢 - Free Cash Flow: +$5.76B 🟢 - Share Dilution: +0.58% YoY 🟢 - Price Trend: Volatile 🟡 - Bull-Case Market Cap: $1.90T–$2.18T - Comparable Companies: BYD, Toyota, Rivian - Risk: High - Conviction: 6/10 - Grade: B Tesla manufactures electric vehicles, energy-storage systems, and autonomous-driving technology. I like its strong balance sheet and long-term robotics potential, but a nearly $1.5T valuation and extremely high earnings multiple leave insufficient reward-to-risk for a higher grade. --- SPCX | SpaceX - Current Price: $164.00 - Current Market Cap: ~$2.23T - Bull Target (12–18m): $210–$240 - Bear Target: $90–$110 - Upside: +28% to +46% - Downside: -33% to -45% - Reward-to-Risk: ~1:1 - Success Probability: 55% (estimated) - Expected ROI: +4% (estimated) - Forward P/E: ~103 - Debt-to-Equity: 0.31 🟢 - Dividend Yield: 0% - 1-Year Return: N/A (June 2026 IPO) - 5-Year Return: N/A - Profitability: Unprofitable 🔴 - Revenue Growth: +121.9% TTM 🟢 - Free Cash Flow: -$32.52B 🔴 - Share Dilution: +41.79% YoY 🔴 - Price Trend: Volatile since IPO 🟡 - Bull-Case Market Cap: $2.85T–$3.26T - Comparable Companies: Rocket Lab, Boeing, Amazon (satellite connectivity) - Risk: Extreme - Conviction: 4/10 - Grade: C+ (Speculative) SpaceX develops reusable rockets, operates Starlink satellite internet, and has expanded into artificial intelligence. I like its technological leadership and exceptional revenue growth, but its enormous valuation, substantial losses, negative free cash flow, dilution, and limited public trading history make this too speculative for my preferred investment strategy.

Status-Run-8610

BYD why it keeps falling ?

somecleverphrase

maybe the ram and BYD cars make it over for the right bribe

Status-Run-8610

opinion on BYD ?

Status-Run-8610

opinion on BYD ?

blippyskippy

Google it. Tesla is 1st in battery electric. BYD in most overall electric.

Flipslips

BYD sells cars significantly cheaper than Tesla, yet Tesla still maintains a really healthy delivery number in China.

cbusoh66

\- No, the bull case for ASTS is not dependent on them becoming a near monopoly. In what industry has that ever been true? Why would it be different here? Just as multiple MNOs exist, there's enough satellite pie for multiple players. The market for D2D is not that big especially when you think that 99% of the world is almost connected to terrestrial network. The current and projected valuations are based on them making several dollars per customer, not 20-50 cents and remember that only a subset of customers will get it, not everyone. \- Yes, ASTS has delays, but so does every one of Elon's companies, by years, and they do not have a product that can work with the spectrum they just purchased. What is your point here? ASTS delays have been catastrophic (and dare I existential) because the only way for them to compete against the big boys was to be first to market and then become entrenched. That's not happening, and may never happen as they struggle to manufacture and launch. \- Nope, they only need 45 to 60 satellites for continuous, commercial U.S. coverage. Continuous commercial service is a corporate lie, I am talking about a real service at scale without disconnected periods. They will need hundreds of satellites, and time will prove me right, remember this. \- Why only bring up the failed EV companies? What about BYD, which is \*more\* profitable than Tesla? This is not worthy of a reply. \- The "retail shills who sold" are still shilling it. What's your source that they sold? And why would they continue shilling it in that case? For example, Kook is continuing to post his weekly reports. I got my sources, every single one cashed out. Some may still retain some stake. They still have an incentive to appear bullish and push the narrative because their remaining stakes is dependent on retail continuing to hold the bag and to allow the company to dilute more as they will need billions more.

hefret22

Appreciate a good bear take but see lots of misleading claims here: \- No, the bull case is not dependent on them becoming a near monopoly. In what industry has that ever been true? Why would it be different here? Just as multiple MNOs exist, there's enough satellite pie for multiple players. \- Yes, ASTS has delays, but so does every one of Elon's companies, by years. Your point? \- Nope, they only need 45 to 60 satellites for continuous, commercial U.S. coverage. \- Why only bring up the failed EV companies? What about BYD, which is \*more\* profitable than Tesla? \- The "retail shills who sold" are still shilling it. What's your source that they sold? And why would they continue shilling it in that case? For example, Kook is continuing to post his weekly reports.

Ambitious-Code9

BYD outsells tesla like 3-1. The only reason you think tesla is doing well is because the US bans BYD from being sold in the USA. Sooner or the later that will be lifted or the chinese turn around and go we;ll ban tesla as well then.

One_Guava_3883

Why not allow BYD in the US and let consumers decide what’s best for them? It should be an open market. Give capitalism a chance.

Ok_Vegetable8897

Bruh doesn’t allow cheap and better Chinese ev like BYD in America but wants competition in India. Talk about hypocrisy

Status-Run-8610

BYD to the MOON :pray: :pray: :pray:

Ok_Drummer6282

No shot youre a real person... Tesla and the US government are forcing Tesla to stay afloat.  The second BYD enters the US its over for Tesla lol.  Starling is also ass. And hasnt he been choosy about providing service? Nothing says confidence like calling Elon a bitch and hin trying to rage cancel your phone plan lmao. 

Enough-Thing1361

内地的钱和东亚的钱都集中到半导体上去了，港股流动性枯竭，国内新能源竞争到了最激烈的阶段，全部车企的利润加起来不如宁德时代一家电池企业。即使是龙头比亚迪也表现不佳，现在没人知道哪家企业能活到最后，蔚来当前的车型有腾势（BYD），问界（华为系），理想，极氪和它竞争

Enough-Thing1361

国内的钱都集中到半导体上去了，港股流动性枯竭了，而且新能源车企正陷入价格战泥潭，没人知道谁会胜出，即使是BYD也表现不佳。

dorkstar1

BYD cars are allowed in India, Australia, Japan, UK Europe and 121 countries. But BYD is not allowed in USA due to Tesla. Is Elon Musk real Boss of USA?

Playful_Prior5919

BYD and all Chinese electric still do not have the self driving like Tesla, not even close, only lane tracing basically. But they do all have the blue light that's shows it's in that mode which is cool.

banditcleaner2

The right wing stans that cry about regulation and want a maximal free market should be advocating for BYD to be allowed to be sold in the US, and yet they aren't- strange.

Fit_Neighborhood9251

BYD Seal AWD.

rexleonis

“AI post lmao” is what people say when they can’t rebut the numbers. Forget who wrote it. Are BYD +144%, Chery +280%, Leapmotor +450%, and Chinese brands above 11% of the broader European market wrong? If yes, show the correct data. If not, “AI” isn’t an argument.

dontblink

This is true. Ive talked to some folks in India and owners there see BYD quality as terrible. Inverse Reddit. This sub is just an echo chamber of terrible sentiment.

rexleonis

You might want to look at what is actually happening outside the US before lecturing people about economics. “Do you seriously think any sane country would allow a heavily subsidized product to flood their country?” Yes. Look at Europe. The EU investigated Chinese EV subsidies, concluded they were unfair, imposed countervailing duties — 17% on BYD, 18.8% on Geely and 35.3% on SAIC — and STILL allows these manufacturers to sell their cars across the EU. It didn't ban them. It adjusted the playing field and let consumers decide. And consumers are buying them. Across the broader European market — EU + UK + EFTA — Chinese brands reached about 11.3% of new-car registrations in August 2026, up from 7.1% only a year earlier. That isn't some hypothetical future Chinese invasion. It's happening right now. Look at the January–August numbers: BYD: 234,099 cars, +144% Chery: 207,871, +280% SAIC/MG: 230,290, +20% Leapmotor: 73,297, +450% BYD alone is now selling more cars in Europe than Tesla over that period: 234,099 versus Tesla's 191,787. And in August alone: BYD: +128% YoY, 3.1% European market share, up from 1.4% Chery: +218%, 2.7% share, up from 0.9% SAIC/MG: +32%, 2.5% share Leapmotor: +220%, 0.9% share, up from 0.3% Those aren't internet commenters “demanding BYDs.” Those are actual vehicle registrations by actual customers. Even ACEA — the association representing Europe's established manufacturers — says cars manufactured in China already accounted for about 7% of EU car sales in 2025. So your argument that “no sane country would allow this” falls apart immediately. One of the world's largest and most heavily regulated automotive markets is allowing it right now. Europe isn't naïve about Chinese subsidies either; that's precisely why it imposed countervailing tariffs. The difference is that tariffs are not the same thing as banning competition. You can argue that Chinese state support gives BYD an unfair cost advantage. That's a legitimate discussion. You can argue that Europe should protect domestic manufacturing more aggressively. Also legitimate. But pretending there is no genuine demand for Chinese cars, or that allowing them into a major Western market would be economically unthinkable, is contradicted by what is already happening in Europe. BYD +144%. Chery +280%. Leapmotor +450%. Chinese brands already above 11% of the European market in August. At that point, saying it's all just “Tesla haters desperately wanting BYD” isn't analysis. It's coping.

Accomplished-Run-691

The Model Y fell from #1 last year to #7 in Norway and doesn't even rank in Germany now, according to this years data. Keep living in the past. BYD passed Tesla in sales in Germany back in January.

Accomplished-Run-691

In Germany, Tesla had 3,152 sales in January 2024, 1,277 sales in January 2025, and 1,301 sales in January 2026. All this while BEV sales in general grew by over 29% in 2025. That doesn't look like Tesla's doing great to me. For comparison BYD sold 2,629 vehicles in Germany in Jan 2026 compared to 235 units in Jan 2025 and didn't exist in Germany as a brand in 2024. [https://motorvibe.net/byd-overtakes-tesla-in-german-ev-sales/](https://motorvibe.net/byd-overtakes-tesla-in-german-ev-sales/)

Accomplished-Run-691

After the 2026 numbers are out, this argument will finally be put to rest. Tesla sales have falled month over month in every country including the US. In places like Norway where the Y was the #1 selling car for 3 years running, it's finally fallen to #7 in the August data with VW ID.4 taking the #1 spot. and Xpeng and BYD taking the #5 and #6 spots. [https://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2026/09/norway-august-2026-bevs-at-record-98-7-share-vw-id-4-1-bmw-ix3-3/](https://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2026/09/norway-august-2026-bevs-at-record-98-7-share-vw-id-4-1-bmw-ix3-3/) But monthly sales data is hard to collate into a year on year comparison which is what everyone cares about. Just have to wait till next Feb to get year end final sales from across Europe to show TSLA is cooked.

Accomplished-Run-691

Tesla's not number one anymore in Norway August sales data. Tesla Y sales fell -79.2% to put them at 7th place. VW ID.4 is now #1. Xpeng and BYD passed Tesla with #5 and #6 showings respectivly. Numbers don't lie. Tesla sales have been falling for a while now and there are just so many more options. [https://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2026/09/norway-august-2026-bevs-at-record-98-7-share-vw-id-4-1-bmw-ix3-3/](https://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2026/09/norway-august-2026-bevs-at-record-98-7-share-vw-id-4-1-bmw-ix3-3/)

Accomplished-Run-691

You're full of shit. Ford build a giant battery factory in partnership with CATL (a chinese company). Ford wanted to manufacture batteries for EV and Utilities. The unions wanted to manufacture batteries for EV and utilities. The factory was finished and started production but then trump steps in and makes them shut down because they're using Chinese tech. Every other country in the world allows Chinese autos in now. Canada was the last holdout with the US but trump fucked that relationship too. Ford closed up manufacturing in Brazil and sold the plant to BYD. BYD is now the most popular car brand in Brazil 2 years later. Ford fell behind BYD in unit sales globally in 2025 making BYD the 6th largest auto manufacturer in the world (soon to pass Stellantis). Geely and SAIC made it into the top 10 as well. Your protectionism has failed and all you're doing to making American consumers think your possition is bullshit because your position is hypocritical but you refuse to admit it. Everyone can see the US just can't compete anymore so the US is just putting up trade barriers everywhere and banning the import of products from all over the world, not just China. All the US is doing is fucking the average person with shitty products that cost to much and people know it.

vladedivac12

I'm looking forward to BYD opening dealerships in Canada in 2027. The BYD Seal is decades ahead of the Tesla 3.

vladedivac12

Same here, got picked up by a Tesla 3 and it's way inferior than the BYD Seal. Less confortable, the plastic was cheaper, there was screeching sounds, etc. I was impressed by the Seal's insane legroom.

vladedivac12

They choose Tesla for status or because it's a better car? Took Ubers recently that used the BYD Seal and Tesla 3, the former is an econobox compared to the BYD Seal.

vladedivac12

A BYD Seal is more expensive than a Tesla 3? If it is, it should. The Tesla 3 is an econobox compared to the Seal.

vladedivac12

BYD is able to sell equivalent or better quality cars for 5k less per unit than Tesla. Less than 300$ (5%) of that advantage comes from government subsidies and grants. Tesla's final price is also influenced by government programs and tax credits.

vladedivac12

In terms of raw, immediate cash injections per car rolling off the line today, Western manufacturers are heavily supported. Current direct Chinese subsidies are actually fading out. Accounts for only about 5% (or ~$292) of BYD’s $4,700 per-vehicle cost advantage over competitors like Tesla. BYD manufactures nearly 80% of its components in-house, saving about $2,369 per vehicle. Lower engineering overhead and domestic talent costs provide a $1,719 per-vehicle advantage. Western and traditional domestic manufacturers suffer from high supplier markups and outsourced overhead. By comparison, regarding subsidies, the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) provides up to $7,500 in consumer tax credits per eligible EV, alongside multi-billion-dollar manufacturing grants for local battery plants. Europe also utilizes multi-billion-euro purchase grants. Claiming BYD sole advantage is China's government subsidies is intellectually dishonest considering their almost 5k per car advantage versus Tesla comes from their production ecosystem innovation.

slbaaron

All were / are subsidized. And BYD is losing market share for even cheaper and huge price wars between China EVs. How is that a point on BYD not being able to demolish the US market? ALL those competitors driving BYD down, ALL of them would demolish US market, some of them just don’t have or intend to have global presence. Xiaomi. Xpeng. Geely. And add some salt on wounds with slowing economy. I just don’t get what you think the latter half of your message even bring into this conversation. There’s quite honestly no relevance. Check BYD’s sales number in Europe during that same period you are referring to?

skilliard7

>BYD is heavily subsidized... You think the American voters want the government to spend tens of billions of $ subsidizing EV's every year? Boy do I have news for you! >Chinese government is subsidizing BYD and other EV companies because they want to take over the auto sector and destroy these countries economically. America is doing the same exact thing. Tesla would be massively unprofitable if not for all the tax breaks and subsidies they get. But I guess it's only bad when China does it.

vladedivac12

While in Europe, Uber picked me up with a BYD Seal 2 days in a row. Amazing leg room, everything looked premium, luggage could fit easily. The 3rd day, it was a Tesla 3. It looked like a cheap econobox compared to BYD. Drastic contrast.

OK_x86

With all due respect with the amount of direct subsidies American car manufacturers get and the amount of price gouging they have been doing I couldn't care less. Also I looked it up. The estimated amount that BYD cars get in subsidies is about 300$. The cost difference between a BYD and a equivalent Tesla is about 8 to 10 K. So even then American Cars companies are ripping you right off.

RMCapricorn84

Thanks for a succinct explanation and very civil discussion. Thats a rarity on reddit these days. Ive been telling my friends about BYD exactly your points but they’re all “huh, Us bad, China cars good” bs

Expert_Context5398

You don't even understand what you're talking about. I've been investing in this space for over a decade and I personally have connections to people who work in the EV industry in China as a parts distributer. I just gave you a reason why the U.S. isn't subsidizing EV's... Because you need Congress approval to get these spending bills passed and because many of these states/cities rely on ICE vehicles for their economy, subsidizing EV's could effectively mean they lose their jobs and votes... Do you understand the differences in how government works in China versus America? Clearly you don't. People aren't 'demanding' BYD's here, lmao. You also apparent It's just you Tesla haters who want BYD to desperately come here because you're upset that Tesla is the only one dominating EV's in America. You can't stand to see it. Just the fact that you think Tesla is inferior to BYD in every way, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Do you seriously think any sane country would allow a heavily subsidized product to flood their country, destroy their economy, and just accept it as standard? If BYD had to manufacture in the U.S., do you seriously think you'll be able to buy BYD vehicles at the prices you can get them for in China? What kind of business school did you attend or are you just here to act stupid?

Expert_Context5398

Why didn't you buy a Tesla EV when it was for $35k after the EV tax credit? You're just ranting and making excuses. BYD is heavily subsidized... You think the American voters want the government to spend tens of billions of $ subsidizing EV's every year? That's a great way to lose votes and not win elections. Chinese government is subsidizing BYD and other EV companies because they want to take over the auto sector and destroy these countries economically. It sounds like you want Chinese products to flood every country and destroy jobs in the U.S.

Frosty1397

I don't give a shit if BYD is for "lower class". I just want a car to get me from Point A to B without being charged up the ass. And apparently millions of other people feel the same If China's subsidizing BYD, why isn't the US government doing the same with American EVs? Are EVs only supposed to be for rich people in the US?

Expert_Context5398

Heavily subsidized by the Chinese government so why would other countries allow a heavily subsidized government product to flood their country and destroy their auto industry? It's like you guys can't think. Also, you should honestly understand the market. Only the lower income class in China buys BYD. The ones who can afford it choose Tesla. Ya'll are just sour grape haters who don't even understand the market. Just babbling cause you dislike Elon.

Expert_Context5398

Because BYD is heavily subsidized by the government to essentially be a loss-leader so they can flood the auto industry globally and destroy other auto companies. It's also funny that you guys don't even know WTF you are talking about. BYD YTD has a 40% decline in EV sales in mainland China... So what's your excuse there? Is BYD prevented from selling in China as well?

NateInEC

I see BYD cars all over Latin America... not that many teslas.

TortyPapa

BYD delivered about 275,000 more this quarter. Up 37% from Q2 and up 30% year over year vs Tesla’s up 1.2% from Q2 and down 2% year over year. Note there are no BYD cars being sold in Canada and the United States. Not yet anyways!

YourFriendlyUncle

we rode in a BYD Seal uber in Madrid, what a gorgeous car, makes teslas look like absolute dog shit

Frosty1397

Sat in a BYD uber in both Asia and Europe this year and i know exactly why the US gov banned them Tesla is inferior in every way (plus double the price)

Forward-Trade3449

tesla is only selling because the us gov banned BYD from coming over here. this car is inferior in every way

Quick1711

You know the saddest part of this? The fucking government will step in (on our behalf, of course) and bail them out because everything in this country has turned into a *”legacy company” and can’t fail in the eyes of this administration.* *Same shit as BYD not being sold here. Don’t wanna put GM or Ford in a position to where they have to innovate and build an affordable EV.*

MechanicalDan1

BYD hostile takeover of Tesla. Automatic US manufacturing.

Commercial_Sound1448

Deal with Volvo Deal with Mercedes Rumours about deal with BYD. This is only the beginning. BlackBerry IS the next SANDISK.

Ok_Foundation7698

I dunno. I kinda think the US, China and the EU are all gonna go broke in the long run. Until then, imma run my 10kW system and drive my BYD till the wheels fall off.  Governments really don't think about money the way we do. It's so weird.

sirzoop

Is that why the model Y is the 2nd most sold car in China last year? Selling more than any BYD car

BarbellPadawan

BYD cars are so much better it’s crazy

Traditional_Honey108

BYD

Status-Run-8610

what is your opinion on BYD ?

Professional_Mobile5

Well, they are the exact same as any other chinese EV. From the inside you would struggle to differentiate BYD, Cherry, Jaecoo, Geely, XPeng, Seres, etc

G-05

I think you should invest in BYD