BYD

boinky-boink

I want a BYD

BigFly42069

Give it a few years, and we're gonna hear about Toyota contemplating selling themselves to BYD.

handsome_uruk

If BYD was allowed here it would shit all over TSLA. Elmo’s puppet can’t allow it.

cashflow_

BYD makes a 14k electric car but we can’t buy one 🤡

sicklyslick

"you guys seen their cars" - Elon Musk on BYD This is you in 2026.

PaperHandsTheDip

We got BYD's coming, cheap EV's with some of the best engineering globally. Looking forward to those! Dealerships opening in Canada in a few months

Immediate_Spread_860

Chinese companies like BYD is smacking tesla on the mouth. BYD holds the most EV sold yet trading at 18 while tesla trash is trading at 350 what kind of shit is this? Robots... yes BYD is planning and introducing robots...

Associate8823

The first mover proves the market exists. It doesn't guarantee anything. Look at Tesla and the Chinese EVs. BYD has overtaken them in sales.

carsonthecarsinogen

We also already have those brands here. My point is companies like BYD will be here soon, and they’ll completely demolish everyone else due to their pricing and tech. That’s why I said “a year ago I would’ve never seen this as good” because it will completely kill North American automakers.

MariaTPK

God Dammit Carney is such a worthless piece of garbage. We(Canadians) pay the Tariffs that he creates. Look I get it, we need to boycott the USA, do our part in causing enough pain to make the people rise up and do something about their awful government (even if that just means voting for left wing democrats) but holy shit we have an instant win button. Carney could end this at any moment with a fantastic BYD deal. He's concerned for the few it will effect negatively in Canada and not for the many it will help in both Canada and America. Not to mention how devastating it would be for Musk, Trump and the Heritage Foundation. Imagine a chess game where your opponent who does not know the rules moves the only piece between his king and your queen out of the way, putting himself in check, and then you spend turns, many many turns in this position never moving your queen forward to take the victory. That's Mark Carney. And he gets voted in because Canadians are stupid and too many were risking voting a treasonous conservative who shouldn't even be allowed to run, so to counter it they all rally behind garbage. Meanwhile our left wing holds 8/338 seats, and is stuck watching on as they 2 right wing parties allow Trump to even be a problem for us. So many low intelligence Canadians are about to get real patriotic and praise this monster for his opposition to Trump, but he's actually doing a bad job, him and Doug Ford are both performatively against Trump, except Doug Ford just robs the provincial government and extracts wealth, while Carney active tries to make things worse. **Just press the win button**. It's so fucking easy. Don't put tariffs on shit Canadians might actually have to buy. Yea we want to avoid giving money to the USA, but tariffs like this are not the way. This is some Trump level play, fucking bronze ass losers.

carsonthecarsinogen

Tesla is considered American EV. China is BYD.

SchemeWestern3388

Then go move your manufacturing jobs to wherever you want. I’m down with BYD buying factories on the cheap. 

PaperHandsTheDip

pretty much this. Canada already weaning itself off US stuff, US market doesn't care about Canadians. I say this as a canadian lol. I'm just excited for the cheap chinese EVs we're getting now. BYD slaps

Imaginary-Pin580

Well , have you heard BYD is not allowed in the US ? Same can be done with Chinese models .

ToastSpangler

Breaking news: BYND drops the N bomb and is now BYD. US customs' brain has imploded, Ford CEO has committed murder suicide, tariffs are canceled, each car will come with a "burger". Stock value is up 9,000%. More at 9

Secret_Eating_

God the BYD and other Chinese EVs are 20 years ahead of US manufacturers, they put the Japanese and Koreans to shame as well,  at least in NA. 

Good-Ladder4341

As well as the fact that the technology is in many ways better, BYD used to be a battery manufacturer, their batteries have better range, charging speed, everything. And they make the whole car, vertical integration, even without cheap labor, they make everything to eliminated the middle man, minimize cost.

evilwon12

Getting killed outside the US. BYD is owning them everywhere they area head to head.

dabblesest

Your display of American exceptionalism is kind of coming off as entitled… Stop underestimating China, there’s a reason we don’t import BYD’s…

amaverik

Would would happen to Tesla sales if BYD gave its cars for free to US market (you only had to pay electricity cost to run them)? That's essentially what is happening. Open weight models from Chinese companies that come close to OpenAI / Anthropic models in performance are now available for AWS / GCP / Azure to host. You only pay these hyper-scalers for usage - or you can host them yourself if you have the compute. Open weight models are not top-notch but they are better than where OpenAI / Anthropic models stood 6 months back; and gap is closing slowly but surely.

Lumentum_LITE

Just ask yourself this, does BYD or Xiaomi EV affect Tesla's sale number in United States?

bigskinnybubba123

y is tesla becoming a robot-space company? do "the powers that be" (aka billionaire overlords) want to bring BYD to amurica? that why elon made space stonk? i am usually right about predicting stonks stuff. i was a millionaire previously for 5 minutes.. am i just regarded? aanyone ?

BaggyMonny

Does your "ever" mean about the last year? Because China's market had its latest peak around early October 2025 and has been coming down since then. But it's not all of them. Like BYD and Xiaomi spent a long time falling and are still kind of stalling. But there are others, like WuXi Apptec (+90% in last 12 months), that are nicely up. If I was starting right now I might look at the insurance sector (e.g. China Life, CN Taiping, Ping An).

tooltalk01

>Subsidies aren't illegal. Sure, subsidies aren't illegal, just in the same way "drinking" isn't illegal, but driving drunk or beating your wife is. China's weaponization of trades and subsidies aren't generally permitted under the WTO or the SCM (Subsidies Countervailing Measures) Agreement that regulates subsidies (or market access). In other word, China's practice of restricting market access or subsidies conditioned on forced tech transfer, as China has enforced since 2011, or domestic production since 2015 under Xi's Made-In-China 2025 is illegal. How do we know this? China sued the US before the WTO when Biden passed the US-IRA, or EV subsidies favoring domestic sourcing/production. In other word, no EV subsidies in China unless EVs had Made-in-China batteries by a Chinese battery "champions," such as CATL/BYD/etc.

Onnimation

BYD over Tesla cars anyday. I see why they aren't allowed in the US now... they would literally bankrupt Tesla and other companies 😳

anick32

Where are you seeing that XPENG outsold BYD in July?

Nictel

Unfortunately they were carrying BYD cars.

hqwhq

opinion on BYD cars?

RandoDando10

XPENG. \- Just beat BYD (the biggest EV company) in sales by over 10 thousand units in July \- Hold the current most advanced physical AI chip called Turing (made entirely in-house) that powers their self driving, beating Tesla performance \- Producing the most advanced humanoid robots, named IRON \- Making moves to enter the robo taxi market at scale globally \- Actively expanding across western markets, primarily EU where they can avoid the American tarrifs and keep their vehicles lower cost than the competition. \- Almost every wallstreet analyst firm puts them at a strong buy rating with targets exceeding $20/share. Currently trading at just $11/share, almost near all-time lows.

RandoDando10

Thought it was BYD, the EV company, for a sec. Somehow even worse 

Zestyclose_Ad8420

Has he? Tesla is not a healthy company on the industrial side. They survive and haven't been blown out by BYD only because they are banned from the US, same for robots, china leads already. Rockets? Will it lasts?

Srnkanator

Chinese biotech, AI, and BYD calls then.

eindar1811

Currently he's performing an asset circlejerk between his various companies to try to make each of them look better on paper than they are in reality. Tesla is in decline and will be absolutely crushed when BYD appears on US soil. xAI is an afterthought as an LLM, and SpaceX has heat shields that aren't reusable and a starship that is years behind schedule. Cybercab is a worse version of Waymo, which itself doesn't operate at highway speeds. The only commercially successful venture so far is Starlink, and that may also fail once the satellites becomes a recurring replacement cost instead of an initial cost. Mostly, he's dropping ketamine, wielding chainsaws, and trying to buy elections. How can anyone be envious of a trillionaire who was born as a multi-millionaire? That is a level of wealth that is impossible for you or me to truly wrap our heads around. But it is a handy crutch to throw out to defend him (or Trump, for that matter). It was also historically a bad idea to bet against Lehmann Brothers, Enron, Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman-Fried. Until it wasn't. I highly encourage you to buy as much Musk stock as possible. Nothing could possibly go wrong...

HistoricalWhereas841

I like BYD. I see tremendous upside here. Their market cap is less than half of Tesla's and they sell far more cars albeit at a cheaper price.

PaperHandsTheDip

BYD has some fantastic cheap ones. Just don't be american, your gov decided to ban them because they were too competitive. BYD seagull goes for \~$10-14k US internationally, gets \~300km range, seats 4 people and has decent trunk space.

Brawmethius

My strongest evidence for the peak tardation the market has reached. SPACEX, massive evaluation on being a leading AI company. Earnings was considerd above expectations because they had lower operating loss because they sold their compute capacity to their main competitor. Shit like this only happens in peak euphoria. Be like if Tesla came out and said their factories were going to stop making "robotaxi" or "optimus" (the new big next thing) and instead will be leased out to BYD to make their cars instead. But who am I kidding in the Elon cult they would probably pump that as well as "wow such business genius".

pleachchapel

DeepSeek & Kimi are actively collaborating & quoting one another's research in their (free) published papers. Chinese models aren't "competing" with American ones in the same way BYD isn't "competing" with Tesla—they are absolutely crushing them, which is why Sam, Dario, Elon & the dork troupe are actively trying to ban Chinese models the same way they banned BYD.

ThatVeganYouHate

Because Im an actual engineer. He has done fuck all lol. You’re on some insane kool aid. By your logic BYD is saving the planet. Data centers in space is so insanely impractical that it is ridiculous to even bring it up. A small data center would need heat diffusers the size of Vatican City and this is based on physics constants operating at perfect efficiency. Grow up.

jl2l

How is that going to work? You can't run local models without 256gb of ram consider 256gb of ram cost more then a used BYD EV make that make sense?

GloomyMembership4197

Lol, Riven is not even a good company, buy BYD

clumslime

That's Boyd gaming corp. That BYD is BYDDF

PickleRickleTV

BYD is a car company lol wut

PugsAndHugs95

That’s the funny thing, I still don’t buy a Tesla even though I can’t get a BYD lol

Zeekeboy

Banning Chinese products and Electric cars is the only way anyone in the US would buy a Tesla over a BYD or use US AI vs Chinese.

Fartmaster1981

BYD. BYD cars are removing their decals and putting Ts on them. Could you imagine in China BYD are going for 9,600 compare to Tesslers 33,000. Why would anybody buy a Tessler?

dinglebarryb0nds

yea have you seen that Lexus Mini Van we don't get, thing is sick and like the coolest thing to be driven around in and BYD just overtook tesla in sales Yea a toyota work truck you could actually depend on would destroy those ram and ford transit vans

cool-lala

As much as being a doc helps in fixing your BYD or TSLA

MaybeTheDoctor

If USA was a free market we would be able to buy BYD cars.

Smurf_Crime_Scene

Have you tried BYD?

BujinSinanju

The facility is Tesla's most productive and profitable. Asia in general, but specifically China was the companies most stable end market and one where the company actually turned a profit. The problem for Elon is that his China operations are a joint venture and China has the most competitive EV market in the world. In the West, Tesla had a sizable lead on the major players. In China, Tesla has been caught up to, if not passed by the likes of BYD.

unclefire

This is stupid AF. Then again they might be getting their asses beat in china. I’ve seen various Chinese EVs here in Italy- mostly BYD. If they’re as good on range and cost as reported Tesla is probably cooked in china and in Europe.

ThermalChaser

Yes and maybe if tesla spent more money they could compete with BYD

Glad-View-5566

They are losing in china and Europe for the same reason, BYD. Germany let BYD in and it’s eating everyone’s lunch, including local German auto makers

physicsking

The need to leave China. They are getting killed in Asian countries by BYD

RuleSafe6767

Reporting collapsing sales to BYD would be toxic, so it's best to bag up that mess and eliminate it. As Elon's dad always told him, *"you never lose a game if you quit before it ends"*

RuleSafe6767

My guess is there's no way to "future-spin" a collapse in car sales in China against competitors like BYD, and therefore this chunk of the business needs to be eliminated ASAP well ahead of the next reporting period, otherwise it will significantly shake shareholder confidence. (And as a CEO legally required to protect shareholders, I'm not even say this is manipulation.. It would simply be doing their job)

F1CKEN

We aren’t losing China to BYD. We are winning but we need to sell to do a merger thing. Darn it! Dang. Oh well.

Jakuza26

u/arwbqb I don't disagree, but you gotta look ahead into the future. Tesla is currently protected by the government because they're not allowing Chinese electric car sales, and that's the only reason Tesla is trading at this level. The American market is the only one in the world right now that hasn't opened up to Chinese EVs, but we honestly need it, because it would help reset the extreme pricing on cars in the USA. That reset can only happen if we actually open up to a free market, which is what we're supposed to have but don't. Meanwhile, Tesla gets to enjoy this protection, but on top of that they're making huge strides in self-driving, and that's the tech they'll end up licensing to all kinds of vehicles. Soon you'll see your garbage truck driving itself down the road picking up trash, etc. And at some point it'll all be part of SpaceX, just like xAI. SpaceX should fall below $100 in the next two weeks (probably next week), and that's where I'll be looking for an entry, around $87.78, because SpaceX will eventually be the most valuable company in the world, and Tesla will get rolled into it at some strategic point as part of Elon's pay package goals. Finally, I own a Tesla, but the moment Nio, BYD, or XPeng show up here, I'm dumping it for one of those, since they already outclass what Tesla currently offers. And if the government actually does allow a free market, you'll see Tesla stock drop below $100 before it eventually gets rolled into SpaceX.

Vattaa

Out of spec reviews has flown to China to test it and confirms that it does indeed work. https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/s/e5Ov6LbcQg The budget BYD Atto 3 is on sale and available with upgraded flash charging now in China from $16,600. https://carnewschina.com/2026/05/21/new-byd-atto-3-with-120-km-extra-range-and-flash-charging-priced-from-16600-usd-in-china/

Vattaa

Yet BYD the Ford of China has 1000v flash charging on cars 10% - 70% in 5 min, and significantly cheaper than the CLA. In the same time it takes the CLA to charge 200 miles a BYD has added over 300 and gone from 10% to 97%. Why would you ever go for the technologically inferior "premium" car? When the Ford of China (BYD) outclasses it?

biscuitcarton

And Toyota is losing market share to BYD worldwide.

K_R_A_K_E_N_540

BYD is selling in literally every other country BUT the US

New_Possible_284

Chinese will do BYD to chips

Acrobatic-Flan-5085

You’re mistaken. Every single successful EV manufacturer in the world, including Tesla, sources their most critical component - the battery - from Chinese manufacturers. Only in the US does Tesla rely on mostly US made batteries, but this is to comply with supply chain requirements and reduce tariff exposure. It’s well understood that the recent US Tesla vehicles charging performance is lacking compared to the latest generation Chinese product, and why BYD is expected to massively grow in Canada and Europe.

Pete26l96

What happened/is happening to Tesla is pretty crazy when you think about it. 15 years ago they came out with their revolutionary technology, were essentially pioneers for EVs, and actually made a somewhat decent product at an affordable price. Somehow they never managed to profit due to burning cash, high capital costs, and lots of R&D, and now fast forward to today and there are tons of competitors and china is pumping out better EVs at lower prices (Xiaomi, BYD). Optimus comes across as a pipe-dream, and tesla robo-taxis were supposed to be 40% of the vehicles on the road 3 years ago. Honestly extremely shocked the company is worth shy of $1T, but I guess it's part of the whole the market can be unreasonable for a very long time.

pimpuschimpus

If BYD or other Chinese EVs enter the US market Tesla will be going directly to 0

Positive-Ad1859

Elon wishes to take back his decade old TV interview chuckling at BYD EV cars. Now everything is history and the future is not super bright for Tesla. lol

handsome_uruk

Bro it’s only 30%. Small potatoes especially since he has other plays. I shorted TSLA when it was clear space Karen had lost the plot, BYD was kicking their ass, and EVs were no longer hot. It climbed higher and higher for months but eventually I won.

Double_Suggestion385

BYD was never 10 years behind. It's also silly to compare car manufacturing with semiconductor manufacturing. Russia and China have been trying to catch up in semiconductor manufacturing for 40-50 years, it's a field where no amount of resources can allow you to catch up. They've always been 10-15 years behind the bleeding edge.

vava2603

yep like BYD was 10 years behind until they are ahead

sven2026

I own a Chinese e-bike. It’s excellent! Bring on BYD. Tesla made in China

shitholejedi

You can undercut all you want. Doesn't matter if you aren't allowed to sell. See BYD in US or Huawei in the western world. Probably good news for Taiwan.

Benromaniac

I think Toyota and BYD deserve massive share price increases, especially if Tesla is to remain at these levels. Toyota especially. Tesla’s valuation is insane! But considering so many companies are getting maxed out valuations, I figure eventually someone is going to make the case for Toyota and BYD to be 1t mcap companies as well. Toyota is in so high demand that production can’t keep up. They generate trillions in revenue annually. Plus they were in the movie Minority Report.

Nendilo

Full autonomous Teslas have been 1 year away since 2016, still not delivered. Won't catch Waymo. The Tesla Roadster has been promised for over 10 years, still not delivered. Starship was supposedly going to have a crewed mission to Mars by 2022. Hasn't happened. Optimus Robots are remotely controlled by human operators and years behind competition. Grok is way behind Claude, ChatGPT, and Gemini and unlikely to ever catch up. The Tesla business itself is on the decline because Elon politicized his brand while his core customer base was upper middle class liberals. It's losing market share to legacy manufacturers and BYD globally. Elon's word is worthless. SpaceX/Starlink and Tesla have accomplished some cool things (through government funding) but these companies will never deliver on the promises that warrant multiple trillions of market cap valuation.

Successful_City_7524

Look at Tesla vs BYD. Imo, China will win the space race too

rodicus

I mean at least the US has Tesla, still the most EV sales in dollar terms.  Although BYD sells more units.  

BoatAlternative5103

Tesla's original appeal was they were the electric car guys with self driven technology. Now everybody and their sister is making electric cars. In the global market, BYD has them beat. In the US, everyone from Toyota to Kia are catching up on the electric car trend. And Waymo has left Tesla in the dust when it comes to self driven cars. Waymo was offering driverless robo taxi rides for years before Tesla even started testing their robotaxi fleet with human drivers. Tesla has been technologically left in the dust and yet their stock price is valued at orders of magnitude what any car company should be at that price.

HFY_HFY_HFY

BYD would eat their lunch in the US if they were allowed to

miata_only

TSLA will be at interstellar💫 levels by the end of August. Melon🍉 is just playing his 420-dimensional chess♟ and everyone that's bearish🐻 is stuck in their plain old X, Y, and Z cartesian coordinate system. We're about to see the new Giga Calgary factory🏭 cranking out Cybertrucks faster than a falcon Heavy could launch your mom into geosynchronous orbit🚀🚀. ALSO rumor has it battery day 🔋 in October is going to unveil a new LiPo powered dildo (Plaid edition) that charges⚡ in 69 seconds AND comes with full self-dildoing🍆 and Cheetah mode. PLUS unlike companies in Gyna...cough cough BYD(eez nuts) 🥜...Easy E-Muskrat knows best how to run a capitalist business (aka cook the books 👨‍🍳📚).

Etherius

Ask the same question of why BYD cars cost 20% less than Teslas. Why is Huawei telecom equipment 30% less than Cisco or Juniper? It’s because the Chinese government engages in dumping at a geopolitical scale as a matter of national security policy.

odnarB89

And they will never be number 1 again. June 2026 - Tesla total sales 8670 units, roughly 8000 were model Ys. BYD moved over 18,000 units across its range.

odnarB89

Did you check your link, it shows BYD selling more than Tesla, which they obviously would, because the only company that sells more vehicles in Australia than BYD is Toyota….

odnarB89

BYD currently manufacturer the fastest production car in the world.

odnarB89

BYD Sealion for Model Y competitor.

odnarB89

BYD is second to only Toyota in sales, what on earth are you talking about.

Evlampije

Honestly I disagree. I own both Tesla and BYD. Material quality in Tesla is superior to BYD. And I prefer the overall engineering by Tesla. The ergonomics etc in BYD are inferior. And the drive quality is not as good in my opinion. The self drive in Tesla is game changer. I drove 29k miles on autopilot so far. And really struggle with regular cars when I rent for travel. For reference I am also a mechanical engineer with auto industry experience. And I can tell you that Tesla Is at least 30-40% better in engineering solutions than Chinese. Which paysoff in long run maintenance. Sure Chinese throw a bunch of tech in the car but it's just lesser quality.

Dealer_Existing

You’ve clearly never been in a BYD or any other Chinese EV. Tesla is a terrible car itself and is even worse when compared to other EV’s

didyouseetheecho

I disagree almost completely. Space -going to be such a “total addressable market” and cost issue. Things like starlink and cell service are only valuable to rural areas and developing countries. Where’s the money gonna come from? Drones- I’m in. Nice mix of military, typical commercial and industrial uses. Quantum- 30 years, billions of dollars, 0 use cases. Unproven. Robots- agree and disagree. Humanoid robots are pointless. Smart factory robots specifically designed will absolutely take off even more. Energy- yep Wendy’s- obviously The next ten years companies are going to focus on vertical integration, and smart factories. They’re going to use BYD on how to function. Other winners: Logistics: completely self driving cars (go anywhere, no steering wheel) are more than 10 years away. Semis running predetermined routes delivering to nearly completely autonomous warehouses is coming quick. Video games: the industry has matured and is booming with revenue. Almost doubling streaming. When CD Project Red releases 5 AAA in 8 years or whatever the market is going to lose their mind. Microsoft will drop the hammer on their studios and the industry will balloon. Phone games will improve beyond all recognition in that time frame. Energy: world’s getting warmer and people will want ac. Data centers won’t go away. Electric cars are better than ice by every metric. We’re gonna have to make more power. Geothermal systems will be popular. I can see thorium or nuclear resurgence. The sector as a whole will do well. Desalination: more and more of the population lives where it’s dry. Eventually people will move or we will have to make water. Iran is dry dry. Saudi growing like crazy.

Dalewyn

Says the guy pointing at revolutionary battery tech from Ford in 2 years which was announced 5 years ago. Look, if you really want to invest in Big Batt you do three things: 1. Invest in China. They are for all practical intents and purposes the sole source and distributor of lithium. 2. Invest in BYD. Chances are your favorite electrical anything that has a lithium battery has one from BYD. 3. Laugh as China socializes your gains to privatize their losses.

SaltyRedditTears

China allows vertical and horizontal acquisitions otherwise Tencent wouldn’t own everything related to gaming and BYD wouldn’t own everything from batteries to the cargo carriers that their EVs roll off of to arrive in Europe.

YamahaRyoko

He has made some pretty huge plays, like buying 5 billion worth of Bank of America during its downturn, 40 billion in Apple, 10% in BYD when it was growing

tsammons

> Then came 2025. Several things happened in rapid succession, and the combination was unlike anything the tungsten market had seen. First, China began tightening its own domestic production, an increase in environmental crackdowns and safety regulations reduced mine output, export conditions became more restrictive, and less material was leaving China than the global market expected. At the same time, geopolitical friction between the United States and China began escalating around critical mineral supply chains. Tariffs, retaliatory trade measures and conversations about export controls and strategic stockpiling created a new layer of uncertainty, and underneath all of this, demand kept growing. Electric Vehicles required tungsten carbide tooling to machine their components. Aerospace, oil and gas, defense, these sectors weren't slowing down, they were accelerating. And when supply contracts and demand expands, price goes up. We all know that. But there was one more factor that made this worse. When traders and manufacturers sensed this shift, they started buying up more than they needed, building inventory as a protection against shortages, or betting on prices continuing to rise. It's a small component. BYD in EU and DRAM/NAND dumping are bigger forces at play. China ain't stupid and you don't bother to read information before spurting off an uninformed opinion.

AssCrackBandit13

Because BYD’s model is lower cost, low margin cars. That’s why their net revenue for the last 12 months is only 17% higher than Tesla despite selling more the 3 times as many cars in the same time period.

ZenCrisisManager

Maybe no US companies. There is no doubt, however, that Deepseek is eroding the mote for US Ai companies internationally. BYD recently overtook Tesla for the global EV sales crown, even though they are not allowed to sell their cars in the US.

nullmaxai

Lmfaooo for EVs/batteries you're just plain wrong. Search up BYD Blade and CATL Qilin. China has Li-Fi drones. Search up Zhongfu Shenying carbon fiber. I'm an American, while you're just a bot. But that's ok.

DaySecure7642

The one from China is much closer to commercialization and is the real threat to Space X. The Japan one was just hopping, at least a few years behind but may catch up quickly. The customers from neutral countries like Singapores, brazil etc. may launch with China if the cost per kilo is lower. To counter the China competition, Starship needs to be developed even quicker. And most importantly, guard the IPs fiercely. Stop revealing design details in interviews and websites. Don't make the same mistakes of Tesla that enabled BYD to catch up.

Muted_Masterpiece342

BYD is beyond the level of make of European or American cars and it's a budget car 

xghtai737

> The problem is for how "wealthy" you argue we supposedly are the commons universally agree inflation is rampant, pay is stagnant, and overall their work is not valued as evidenced by the furor of the so-called Rust Belt. Would you destroy the economic well being of 90% of the country because the remaining 10% is too stupid to train themselves for a new job? > Harris got crucified in her election for arguing the economy was great and Trump won on the argument that we are getting milked dry. We are not wealthy, at least not by measures accepted by the common American. We are wealthy by any reasonable standard. Trump lied and rubes believed him. I gave you a data source. You are giving me feelings. Politicians can get elected on feelings, but that isn't going to help you, here. > Funny you say Russians are delusional, because I sincerely think Americans who truly believe we are the most powerful military force on the planet are the absolute epitome of delusional. A gold medal in mental gymnastics can't reconcile "most powerful" with "lose every single war". Didn't I *just explain to you* that you are confusing military accomplishments with political goals? How are you still confused about this? The US doesn't lose wars militarily. It fails to achieve political goals. > You want my honest, brutal answer? > China. > We can "make" literally nothing if China elects to embargo exports of rare earths and other materials necessary for all those high end commodities. Who do you think makes the batteries in those Teslas? BYD. Where do you think all that lithium is mined from? China. ... There is a reason the US folded literally overnight once China fired back with trade embargoes in our shortlived tariff trade war. So, you went from "the US manufactures nothing" to "the US might manufacture those things, but it couldn't do it without importing raw materials from other countries." And yet, you are here supporting the guy who starts trade wars. You apparently are a supporter of Autarky. Autarky is the most detrimental economic system ever developed. It is actually worse than communism. If Autarky worked North Korea would be the wealthiest country in the world. > As Trump once told Zelensky: YouWe don't hold the cards. Yeah, Trump lied then, too. The US stopped sending aid to Ukraine the day Trump took office. He tried his best to pressure Ukraine to surrender so that he could fulfill his campaign promise of ending the Ukraine war the day after he won the election. His supporters just kind forgot about that. Meanwhile, Ukraine is still doing fine. I guess they held a few cards after all. > You're right, and we should have taken equity in return. It's too late to do that for them now, but going forward we can and should take equity for every single tax dollar that is spent in the private sector. > I absolutely agree. Our budget is broken, slashing the expenses must include terminating all manners of tax dollars currently being funneled to businesses, universities Make up your mind: take equity stakes in businesses or stop giving businesses tax dollars? Those equity stakes aren't free. The big ticket items are Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, the military, and interest on the debt. That's 80% of the federal budget. Nothing else is going to move the needle. > They did have wars and yes we've made them worse. We should not forget that Iran is the way they are now thanks to the CIA. 9/11 happened ... The CIA has caused problems in the past, but the Middle East is, and forever will be a basket case because of the way the British drew the map and because the Muslims couldn't agree on Mohamed's successor. They are going to be fighting each other regardless of what we do. 9/11 was a consequence of the US putting a military base in Saudi Arabia which offended the radical Muslims. The military base was put there to contain Saddam Hussein, who was attempting to build an oil empire, first attacking Iran, then Kuwait. We were afraid Saudi Arabia was next and didn't want him destabilizing global oil markets. So, yes, we could have refrained from putting a military base in Saudi Arabia, and that might have prevented 9/11, but it also might have led to an Iraqi invasion of Saudi Arabia and his continued hold on Kuwait, which might have thrown the global economy into chaos. The latter outcome was more certain than the former. > We absolutely had a part in Putin invading Ukraine. We toppled a pro-Russia government in Ukraine and made Ukraine a non-nuclear state. Both things contributed to Putin choosing to warmonger and we must and will pay our part of the bill when it comes due. Neither of those things are accurate. The pro-Russia government in Ukraine was toppled because the Ukrainian citizens were tired of living in poverty and wanted closer economic ties to the EU. That goal was progressing, the pro-Russian president blocked it, then the Ukranians got mad and ousted him. The only thing the US had to do with that was, after it was in progress, some US politicians went there for a photo op, passed around a plate of cookies, and expressed a preference for who would be the next leader. The US didn't start it and didn't participate in it in any other way. Putin accused the US of interfering as part of his very weak excuse to invade in 2014. There are no facts to support his claim. While Ukraine had physical possession of the nukes after the collapse of the USSR, it did not have the ability to launch them. Russia retained control of the encrypted launch codes. There was no point in Ukraine keeping them. It just would have been a massive expense to maintain them without any deterrent benefit. > Illegal aliens literally do not have a right to and should not be present in the country at all, they absolutely induce negative pressures on society that would not exist otherwise. The extent you go to try and justify modern day slavery is appalling. You have a very strange, and perhaps entirely unique definition of slavery which is characterized by working voluntarily, getting paid, and having the ability to leave whenever one wishes. It kind of reminds me the "wage slavery" that socialists are always whining about. > An individual's right to freedom does not preclude a sovereign right to restrict their entry. Much like you have the right to refuse an individual from entering your property. Illegally crossing the border is akin to breaking into a house, it is not acceptable. Your premise relies on the government "owning" the country as an individual owns property. It does not. The government's job is to enforce the rights of the individuals in the country. Individual people own the country, not the government. If someone breaks into my house, they have violated my property rights. No individual's rights are violated when someone walks down a public road. And since no individual's rights were violated, the government, representing the collective individuals, has no right to stop someone from traveling down a public road (assuming the person is traveling in a safe and orderly manner). The government has the power to do so, but it does not have the right. > You do not know what sovereign rights even are. Unless you are arguing for a return to monarchy, you don't know the purpose of a state. > Illegal entry is not part of the game, cheating is never acceptable. Would you be equally outraged in 1850 at the gall of a slave to escape to a free state? That was also against the law. > All states are at least required to not inhibit enforcement of federal laws No federal officer was inhibited by local law enforcement. > Congress dictates how federal dollars will be spent, the President is tasked with spending. Trump has proven the President can choose to not spend as directed because Congress can't force that particular issue outside of impeaching, and may the court enforce itself as Andrew Jackson once said. Like it or not and for better or worse, the Executive Branch holds the sole power to execute. It is true that the sycophant Republicans in Congress will permit Trump to do whatever he wants. Careful what you are arguing for - dictatorship. > Except you are. I have not been arguing for anarchy. The laws are not as expansive as you seem to want. > If we are a country following the principle of rule of law that includes enforcing federal immigration laws as they stand right now. Now scroll up two comments, where you said "Trump has proven the President can choose to not spend as directed because Congress can't force that particular issue outside of impeaching, and may the court enforce itself as Andrew Jackson once said. Like it or not and for better or worse, the Executive Branch holds the sole power to execute." You want everyone opposed to you to follow the law, while you want Trump to be above the law. > federal law enforcement like the FBI are tasked with enforcing federal immigration laws. Refusing to cooperate is at best belligerent and resisting as was the case in Minnesota is a straight rejection of rule of law. Which law enforcement officer in Minnesota resisted? Not cooperating is perfectly legal and not the same as resisting. Do you want to end the federalist system of government with checks and balances?

Vox-Machi-Buddies

Bet he's got a t-shirt, "I made fund of BYD and all I got was 13 years of market leadership and this trillion dollar company."

Master-Weight-2676

There's a 2011 interview where Musk was laughing about BYD. It didn't age well. He thought he had already won the EV race back then too.