EV

Bravadette

Heh. Mental gymnastics is usually reserved fod people using overcomplex reasoning to arrive somewhere that isnt deep so I missed that. And idk, im just saying I wouldnt be surprised. Hes already tariffed Chinese EV's and Micron is a US company. Could easily do it to force a cokpetitor out since he tries to be a protectionist. We'll see.

NichorasMurren

People who think technical analysis works are hilarious. In a highly liquid market like US equity futures or FX, by the time you can see something on a chart it’s already been arbed out. Day trading with retail infra is essentially a coin toss, and when you factor in broker fees it becomes negative EV.

BogleBread

I'll counter. Shorting has the exact opposite problem. The broader market trends upward over time, giving short positions a negative expected return *in the long term*. The risk profile is asymmetric; when you buy a stock, your upside is unlimited and your loss is capped at 100%. When you short, your maximum upside is 100%, but your potential losses are theoretically infinite, and you're paying borrow fees and margin interest the entire time. Over a long enough period of time, with a negative EV, you're going to blow it up at some point. I'll argue that timing short positions consistently is **even harder** than picking individual winners.

phantomfire50

A rich idiot can usually beat a poor genius in a heads up game with a 200× chip lead, sure. The rich guy will still lose more chips than he'd win on average, and the poor guy would win more chips than he'd lose. In the scenario you describe, the poor guy would probably opt not to put his life savings on 1 hand even if the EV is positive, and go make money on the smaller tables. The rich guy would then play against other rich guys, bluff all in on a 2 and a 7, then lose his shirt. I think the point you're trying to make is that the correct move for a rich genius and a poor genius is different because the rich genius can afford to lose 50 bucks. The poker analogy doesn't really work for a rich idiot though, because it's a zero/negative sum game, so they're pretty likely to lose money.

whitewolfwild

I feel like Alphabet, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft have sufficient business breadth, scale, cash, innovation etc. to be there. Meta is narrower - Facebook could be nothing in 25 years, Insta is narrow, and not sure how you monetise WhatsApp. Plus so much spend on the wrong innovations over the last 5 years. NVIDIA has been great at pivoting, but someone could surpass them in chip design, or we find we just don’t need the level of processing power built into their current valuation. Could still be a trillion dollar company, but shares fall 80%. Tesla I’d be most concerned about. Not sure there’s even a viable auto manufacturer there if the US was open to Chinese EV imports, and subsidies went. And no vehicle innovation recently. Yes, energy generation and storage feels better, but is that worth a trillion?

edward_newgate-_-

If something currently has a low ev/sales (based on today’s data), then I don’t understand how it can already be bid up. Market cap (including price) is usually the biggest component of EV. I guess there’s cases where that can happen (?) but not sure about it as a blanket statement. With regards to the futility of analysis, based on your philosophy I don’t see why you would even buy individual stocks. Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying.

HeyYoChill

Nearly everything that has a good EV/Sales ratio has already been bid up. There are millions of people every day looking for alpha. You aren't going to find the hidden gem that someone missed. The only things you can do are a) jump on the hype train with everyone else and hope you don't get caught with a hot potato or b) buy companies that everyone else is too afraid to touch and hope the dip doesn't keep dipping.

Successful-Reason403

The poor guy calls with great odds to win (an EV of like +$160, assumng rich guy can only win with a flush) >  What if there are 3 rich people on the table and they all do this? Then the poor guy’s EV jumps to over +600, he thanks Jesus for this loose table, and shoves his chips in as fast as possible. If he ends up losing, he buys back in as fast as possible. Because since he’s a good player, he understands variance, is playing limits well within his bankroll, and has no problem losing a few +EV hands to these clowns.

edward_newgate-_-

Delta to 52wk high is worth adding. You don’t think EV/Sales does a good enough job of identifying stuff that might be affordable?

GoTakeCoffee

You might want to research what happens to sectors/stocks that go parabolic and pullback significantly (GLD/SLV, Quantum, small Ai names, EV, solar, Covid biotech, etc. etc.)

thedude404-1

Chinese EV's are soooo much better than Tesla's.

TheMadDog39

No they don't. Every ACTUAL car manufacturer is finding the EV business to be quite daunting. The hybrid is proving more valuable than the full EV.

AI-is-4-StupidPeople

Both space X and TSLA worry $20 each . Humanoid robots in China are at a level nobody can catch them anymore ; same goes for the EV’s. When the Europe raises the white flag and start reducing the tariffs , there will not be even one single TSLA sold anywhere in the world accept USA

ConcentrateJolly5461

Dropping a link to a state-level subsidy tracker isn't the flex you think it is. State tax abatements, local manufacturing credits, and consumer EV incentives are standard tools used by every local government on Earth to compete for heavy industry and manufacturing jobs. Those credits aren't federal handouts that built the company; they are a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of billions of dollars in private capital and infrastructure Tesla had to build out themselves. Governments literally begged Tesla to build Gigafactories in their states because of the massive economic growth and high-paying engineering jobs they bring. You are treating standard local economic development incentives like a federal bailout because you still don't understand the difference between a tax credit and a cash handout. Try again.

ConcentrateJolly5461

The mental gymnastics here are hilarious. Bernie Sanders spent his entire career screaming that "millionaires and billionaires" shouldn't exist, until he wrote a book, bought a third house, became a millionaire himself, and suddenly changed his script to only hating *billionaires*. Calling a multi-million-dollar net worth and three houses "modest" just because his colleagues are corrupt insider traders is a pathetic bar to set. Bernie didn't build a single factory, design a rocket, create an EV industry, or employ a single worker, he built his wealth entirely off a government salary and book royalties while lecturing everyone else about greed. Stop simping for a career politician who weaponizes class warfare just to protect his own hypocritical wealth.

Earningsalgo

Instead of short squeeze it’s a re rate bet. Not a growth bet. They are buying back roughly 20% of their stock and have 60% of their market cap in cash. That’s the floor. 64M EV is roughly .2x sales. Peers trade 1x-3x sales. So even getting close to 1x provides a multi bagger

Earningsalgo

The market right now is more about momentum and industry… Look at a name like $INGN trading at .2 to sales. EV 60M revenue 350M market doesn’t care. Stay nimble !

romijoe

I mean im not anti rivian lmao..if you gave me a rivian id happily drive it around..but the EV space is HIGHLY competitive, so buying it as a stock when the deliveries have been declining for 5 years is kind of a delusional move. And its funny that if you say a point opposite of what ppl want to beleive they call you a bot lol. Come on use your brain. You can do better.

wifichick

I was a total musk fangirl back when he started doing Tesla etc. Creative ideas. I loved it. He did say in an interview decades ago that once the EV market got going he planned to get out of the car business - so that told me the value would crash at some point. Then he started his “weirdo thinks he’s God” phase and I’m noping out. He has good ideas - but he needs to be more Steve Jobs and less TV boy

Evening-Interview981

godspeed but two flags. short interest "above 200% of float" is almost always bad data, if borrow was actually that stressed the fees alone would be news and holding full size through the binary is the lowest EV part of the trade. the runup is the reliable money, approval day is often the top even when the drug passes. sell the news is brutal in biotech hope it hits, genuinely

Various_Couple_764

I don't know what will happen in the future but with oil at $100 a barrel People looking for a new car will be more likely to look at a EV and more likely to buy one. But it might take a year that to show up.

Valar_Kinetics

Maybe I won't trade my EV for a Raptor then lol. Might wait that one out...

MammothIll9246

I'm so glad I got an EV.

Ceyenne18

Yes, it is. Kill competition and you kill innovation. Chinese EV are barred in US, but TSLA is losing ground in every country when it goes head to head against the Chinese.

number1_cop

Bro their biggest moneymaker being up for contract renewal is a strong strong positive. Every credit card company would be fighting over the contract. Faa capacity and airport slots is also positive, the biggest risk for their profits collapsing is low cost carriers dumping cheap capacity into the market - they now can't do that. They adjust out the special charges themselves in their EBITDA, it's in net income regardless of it being operating or non operating so the classification had no impact on EPS....so whether you value them on EV/EBITDA or P/E this classification has no impact. This post reads like you read your first 10k

Molly_Matters

Don't worry it's not like a tropical storm is prowling off the coast of your oil infrastructure... Glad I have an EV lol. https://preview.redd.it/taqivcuusgeh1.jpeg?width=1067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fef7528c57b03855f142325d5bd2bcc774118da

SuspiciousSpyderman

Gas is up? Sorry i couldn't tell. *laughs in EV*

Own-Recipe5908

EV sales are up globally. TSLA's are about the same as 3 years ago.

Daleabbo

It is similar to the EV's. US brands outside the US are shrinking and being replaced with Chinese brands because they are cheaper and more reliable. US brands are in a captive market and dont need to compete so they cant.

LengthClean

As a Canadian I’ve already pretty much cut my groceries from the US. I don’t even buy processed food so there’s that. Meats local, dairy is local and my produce is from anywhere but the US. Going to stick with German and Korean / Japanese electronics. Maybe Chinese EV, no US origin cars. Oh and we should sign with Saab Griphen now.

technicallynotlying

Not only can you, it's inevitable. Every country (excepting probably the US) is reducing their demand for oil permanently because there's a superior technology available. China's just accelerating the process. Switching cars and trucks to Solar EV alone is sufficient to reduce oil demand by 80%, and you save money in the long term by doing it.

xkise

Oil execs will make sure to delay any positive change, like EV infra for cars :D

Silent-Frosting-5765

It’s fine. I have EV.

JesusSquared123

Buy an EV

dasunt

GM brought the Bolt back just to kill it again. The plan for the plant is to switch back to building gas cars after this year. Why? IDK. I'm half expecting gas to go up another buck, GM to respond by deciding to kill the Equinox EV as well, and the market responds by driving GM's stock price higher.

RedPlumpTomato

My AI Slop Analysis: [ZEPP] WATCH-ONLY — $5.40 Real brand building a real business, strangled by a $239 million debt collar on a $79 million market cap. You'd have a stronger claim on this company if you were a Chinese bank than if you bought the stock. Zepp Health makes Amazfit smartwatches and Zepp fitness trackers. For nearly a decade they were Xiaomi's OEM mule — they built the Mi Band and kept Amazfit on the side. That era is officially dead. Xiaomi revenue hit zero in Q4 2025 and Amazfit is now the whole game. The pivot has real receipts: FY2025 revenue landed at $258.9 million, up 41.8 percent year-over-year, with gross margins hitting a record 40.4 percent in Q4. They locked in a three-year exclusive global partnership with Hyrox — the fitness competition circuit that's basically an obstacle race for people who have strong opinions about their VO2 max. They acquired Wild.AI, a women's cycle-data wellness platform, to carve out a lane against Apple and Garmin. The CEO Wayne Huang founded this business in 2013 and has been running it for twelve-plus years through dual-class share control. He's not going anywhere. The story is coherent. Here's where it falls apart. As of March 31, 2026: $239.4 million in total debt, $52.4 million in cash. Net debt $187 million. The entire equity market cap is $79 million. The enterprise value is $266 million against $272 million in trailing revenue — 0.98x EV-to-revenue, which sounds cheap until you remember the creditors eat first and there's $187 million of them. The short-term bank facilities alone are $87 million due within a year, with $52 million in cash. They need Chinese state banks to keep rolling. Chinese banks are generally patient but "pray the banks roll" is not a thesis. And Q1 2026 saw debt go UP $10 million while cash dropped $5 million. Moving in the wrong direction. Operations still bleeding. Q1 2026: $51.5 million revenue (+33.8% YoY), $17.7 million operating loss — seasonal trough, Q3 and Q4 2025 were near breakeven. But Q2 2026 guidance of $63–68 million implies only 6 to 15 percent growth, a screaming deceleration from the 42 percent full-year 2025 pace. The market ran this from $4 to $62 in mid-2025 pricing in sustained hyper-growth. What's showing up is a post-transition normalization. Insiders: zero open-market buys in twelve months. Every transaction in the window was a grant. Quick correction before I sent this — I originally called the CFO's 9,836-share sale on June 26 bearish, CFO dumping near the floor. That was me reading the wrong column. The Form 4 shows it was a mandatory RSU tax-withholding sell: 366,000 shares vested and the government automatically took 9,836 ADS as its cut. Not a sentiment signal. Stripped from the bear case. What stands: not one person put discretionary personal cash into this stock during a 91 percent decline from the October 2025 peak of $61.85. The chart is a crime scene: $61.85 peak, $5.40 now, 91 percent in nine months, 11.5x ATH/current ratio (baby ceiling is 4x). About 14.7 million ADS in existence and most of them are held by people who bought at $10, $20, $40, and $61. Every point of recovery gets sold into. Retail crowd is quiet — a handful of genuine bulls making real arguments about the Hyrox deal and revenue growth, no manufactured activity, but three believers don't move a stock. Verdict: Not a baby (regressed adult, levered, grant-only). Not a scalp (float too thin, no catalyst). The most honest bucket is "genuine business at a cheap valuation that is uninvestable until the balance sheet cleans up." Revisit if Q3 2026 posts a second near-breakeven operating quarter AND short-term debt starts declining. Price $5.40 | MCap $79M | EV $266M | Net Debt $187M.

isnoice

I took my Bolt EV in for the long overdue recalled battery replacement service, and the dealership this week offered to buy it from me. No, Chevrolet, but thank you for asking.

Falkoro

Everyone who had the money but didn’t buy an EV is regarded.

Shrimpf

AMZN is undervalued after having struggled for months, Im expecting good results from the july 30th earnings, also tech earnings in 3 days will hopefully show AI spending is still big, which will benefit a safer stock like AMZN I hope, it's a longer hold for me ASTS is because I expect SpaceX to struggle hard enough to lose its position, the company is also drawing government and defense interest LCID is showing potential in the EV race, it's also going down the premium EVs route, which means competition is less grueling

derprondo

Makes sense, you should probably just get an EV then.

Quercusa1ba

Nah, reason is that China has drastically cut oil imports. They're using reserves, switching to coal, and are pumping out cheap EV's.

tal-opt

thanks i will not wait for it to expire ill close it on 0.8 so to my calculation i have 0.15$ EV on average better no?

simply_colorkarma

Today’s world is all about Marketing. Go look up OAC and CVS. You will see her nail these companies on how their “captive strategy” is nothing except US, going from their medical system, to their pharma system to their service system. Basically their growth strategy is to make sure we only use CVS (even when it may not be obvious it is a CVS product or service), to capture more of the addressable market. Addressable market is just how big they assume it is. TAM, (Total) SAM (Served). Total is total pie, they do not expiate what they can serve now or how long to get to a certain percentage of the TAM. Most of his TAM is being captured by shoving AI computing into space so the computers keep cool. Anthropic is willing to pay over a billion. But that is only one of the AI companies. No one addresses the challenges of putting these massive data centers into space and no one mentions how that will be serviced or supported. AI is completely and utterly incestuous. Look up an article in Bloomberg called the AI Circular Loop. They highlight and visually show the "circular AI economy" where major developers and hardware manufacturers create a self-reinforcing financial loop, with investments flowing back to hardware suppliers as revenue. Why do you think AI is growing at massive numbers in orders, but the rest of the economy is not. The two biggest sectors are AI and Finance. Finance because we are going into debt faster and using our credit cards more to pay things. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-10-07/openai-s-nvidia-amd-deals-boost-1-trillion-ai-boom-with-circular-deals So SpaceX biggest growth is still their billionaire buddies, so they can all become trillionaires or more. So Andy, Alex, Doug, Andrew and Elon buy chips from CC, Jensen, Jun Young and they then sell it back to Elon and Besos to put it into space. (Not all CEOs mentioned but all are there) Now ask yourself - how do the rest of the companies grow? People won’t be servicing it - automation will. Marketing is the root of all evil. It’s why they want AI to lower our cognitive thinking. We will believe their marketing shit faster. Always look for what they are not saying, and always listen to their analyst questions asked at quarterly reports. I have no pitty when someone complains about a product they bought on line and didn’t do the basics like look up the return policy, and they complain about them paying return shipping or a fee. And to add to this - ask yourself why this administration wants to remove quarterly reporting from the FCC. No transparency is now just gambling on growth and minimum exposure to dig into the details. Now ask yourself why Warren Buffet is dumping stocks and has been putting more and more into cash - that man smells the five alarm fire before they happen. Always ask why!! W Other note: ask what the challenges are, what percent do they expect competitors to capture and more. The biggest reason Elon and other auto manufacturers don’t want any Chinese EVs or certain EU gas cars is because then, the rest of America will see how much better their products are. They dominate in range on EV, theirs is $13k, compared to a $60k EV here. Their EVs are everywhere outside the US. You can’t capture what you don’t have access to. Thats not competition. True capitalism is all about competition. Competition makes for better products, not cheaper or less quality. That version of capitalism sadly died in the early 80’s and no one realizes it yet.

ajwin

Australia has both Teslas and all the Chinese EV’s and Tesla still holds it own(1st or 2nd most of the time). The Chinese cars a very heavily subsidized. They are basically dumping them on the AU market and people still chose teslas with stickers saying they hate Elon but love the car.

ucardiologist

Petrol is going to be very cheap for a very long time people don’t realise that entire states China the EU most countries are switching en mass to EV s people don’t realise that for every EV car that hits the road the psycho petrol oligarchs are loosing billions last year alone we had more than ten million EV s bought by people that want freedom from the petrol gangsters this will accelerate UK alone is buying 2 millions EV s or hybrid cars this year alone and they will be another 20 millions EV s by the end of the year planetary on the roads The petrol oligarchs are desperate that’s why we had the psycho in the White House declaring drill baby drill they are only there for this mafia and market manipulation whoever is delusional to think that Drumpf can’t sleep at night because people can’t buy essentials or petrol they must think very hard of what they want from their future A cheap and affordable future is EV wind turbines and solar panels Petrol gangsters are cooked without wars to keep prices high they will operate on minus their profits will plummet and we will soon be freee

Dealer_Existing

You’ve clearly never been in a BYD or any other Chinese EV. Tesla is a terrible car itself and is even worse when compared to other EV’s

notaredditeryet

Tech bros think they know everything and look down on accounting/finance like it’s a lesser discipline. They would never consider what a company’s actual valuation or any fundamental in general. Elon/Tesla stans are all guys like that. Tesla is an actually successful company with just about every other car I see being one of those and genuinely starting an EV arms race with how much better they were than a lot of what was on the market. To that extent I can see how it’s 17x GAAP given that NVDA is still 25x GAAP even with shadow borrowing and circular financing. SpaceX is completely fraudulent. Tesla is definitely overpriced but SpaceX is apples to oranges compared to Tesla. SpaceX isn’t even profitable and their relevant competitors have a positive EPS. There is an actual foundation behind Tesla, SpaceX is completely shady horseshit.

Samjabr

I am genuinely tired of this cunt blowing up my calls. Either nuke the fk out of Iran or just accept that it's now the Strait of Iran. IDGAF about another ME shit hole, and having yet another war there, where we burn money and lives. FK all those clowns, including Israel. They want to clown around, then they can figure it out. I thought this fk was about America first? Because right now, this American is starting to get crazy pissed off. SPY should be at 9,000 and gas should be $1.50 to help all the mouth breathers that didn't buy an EV because of range anxiety (how many of these dumb fks actually drive over 300 miles a day and can't fathom plugging their car in when they go to bed?) Rage mode terminated.

AccomplishedClub6

Major equivocation fallacy. A lottery is a losing game as your expected value (EV) is negative. Statistically the longer you buy/hold the more you lose. Investing into a stock after doing research is different since companies grow and attempt to earn profits. The stock market on average has a positive EV for long term investors. Statistically the longer you buy/hold the more money you earn.

Freak-Of-Nurture-

every trade is negative EV vs market beta. It's a zero sum game.

ChronicLegHole

Fair. First EV was 1832.

xsharpy12

I test drove a gladiator before getting our Hummer EV to tow our boat. Driving dynamics are not its strong suit, also I’m 6’4 and my head was hitting the ceiling.

elpresidentedeljunta

Nah. Currently the bubbles pop silently and with little damage. EV, green energy, autonomous driving, software ... they got to their point where the exuberance ended and fizzled out without crashing the market. And they all will rebound as transformational technologies do. There are some warning signs of course. One question nobody asks for example is if the same people who lent into software be willing to buy AI bonds now.

nomemory

Yes. --- But I repeat, things are more complicated than that. Sometimes the bubble is justified and some companies make new heighs. Some may never do. Look at Zoom during COVID. --- Some companies also come with something unique and they reign the market for a period of time. But in the global economy things can get replicated fast. Zoom - Microsoft Teams - Slack. EV Cars - Tesla was king but now everyone is doing those. Etc.

Similar-World-6668

I'm keeping a close eye on advanced materials and battery technology, alongside the broader green energy transition. The need for efficient energy storage and novel materials for everything from AI chips to EV batteries is only going to grow. For long-term investors, finding those foundational picks will be crucial.

_learned_foot_

Batteries. The current limit in a lot of drones is the energy use, either components get more efficient or batteries better. The first means more things on it, so batteries re a non stop demand. Likewise EV, datacenters for off grid use, etc all need that tech. The first to make the next big breakthrough will be a massive moat.

Own-Recipe5908

China has deeper reserves and a larger EV vehicle fleet, I wouldn't say it hurts them more since oil is a global market.

TarrifJacksonJr

People think of Tesla for EV, Optimus, and BESS systems But the Tesla Megapod is what I'm interested in

ChronicLegHole

even better, EV's technically predate internal combustion engine-driven cars by about 50 something years. The first electric carriage came out in 1832, and EV's were generally more or about as popular as gas engines up until the Model T came out in the 1920's. [https://www.history.com/articles/electric-vehicles-automobiles-timeline](https://www.history.com/articles/electric-vehicles-automobiles-timeline)

avilacjf

Idk how several years could be priced in if the forward PE is at 7 and forward EV/EBITDA is at 4.7. What they're pricing is that there will be no growth in '27+ that's the only way you can arrive at a PE that low on a company with 85%+ margins and 345% YoY growth. What alternatives do you really see to HBM or LPDDR5 for next gen accelerators? These fabs take billions and years to build. It's not like some crypto firm can pivot into memory fabrication. I know people are panicking about CXMT like they didn't exist 6 months ago but they've been around this whole time and the shortage already includes their capacity. I would trust the CEOs of SK Hynix and Micron on this one, shortage conditions at least until 2030. Micron has been more conservative saying it will continue *through* 2027. Those aren't contradictory. Nvidia's Rubin Ultra chips are growing memory demand by 4x per chip and bit growth is only growing \~20% in '27 and '28. Google's million TPU Anthropic deal and what Broadcom is forecasting are also massive demand spikes. Google has said they want to double their GPU capacity every years through 2030. That's before OpenAI and Anthropic ramp production of their own in-house chips later in the decade. You have to look at the underlying demand and project that to really see if supply can catch up. This is all hinging on that demand and I see these as pretty clear signals.

TriIM1961

They canned because it basically a GM product and no where near Honda quality They are coming with a solid state battery product but both Toyota and Honda are late to the game I love both brands and I have gear luck with products but EV we are stuck with Tesla, Hyundai, Audi and BMW. Per consumer reports BMW is the only one with major issues.

Technically_Tactical

Have you actually lived in China and tried their DoorDash/UberEast/Uber/Lfyt equivalents? There's almost no fees and the service is more reliable. How does USA invent a technology and China does it better, even when factoring the need to scale it to their population? How does China have an EV charging infrastructure in 2023 that we may have in 2030 if China exists only to be underestimated?

Black-Bear_1815

EV needs a significant infrastructure investment which is going to take at least a generation. I’d look to those that will build that infrastructure and not those that build the vehicles.

AGx-07

I wouldn't say that I like fads so much as I try to get in on the ground floor as much as possible. In much the same way that I have held onto AMD and intend to do so with EV and AI, I want to keep my eyes on what has the potential. My 401K and IRA are for the boring stuff that I'll largely ignore until I retire. My portfolio is for the things that I'll follow much more closely, trade on, and discuss and I just want to keep my eyes open. If they happen to be fads then so be it but I won't ignore the likes of Quantum or Energy because they aren't fads either.

RampantPrototyping

He had a helluva lot of taxpayer money to help. The EV credits and carbon credits benefited Tesla enormously

RedPlumpTomato

My AI Slop Analysis: ELTP / Elite Pharmaceuticals -- WATCH-ONLY, same call as yesterday, confirmed again today. Ran the full forensic protocol for the second day in a row because the retail chatter around this name spiked overnight and it is worth being clear on what is real and what is not. The business is genuinely not bad. Elite does 149 million dollars a year in generic pharmaceutical revenue, earns 27 percent operating margins, holds 30 million dollars in cash against just 5 million in debt, and grew revenue 77 percent year over year. For a 37-cent OTC name that lives in the penny-stock gutter, those numbers are better than the zip code suggests. Here is what does not move: the CEO holds roughly 100 million dollars worth of shares at today's price and has not purchased a single additional share in over 730 days. He tells the world his company is dramatically undervalued and that an acquisition is imminent, and then he puts exactly zero of his own cash on that conviction. That is not conviction. That is a business card. Institutions collectively own 500 shares, worth about 185 dollars. A 393-million-dollar market cap company with 149 million in revenue and zero institutional interest is not a secret gem -- it is a stock the professional money has looked at and walked away from. Now for today's retail circus. A narrative is making the rounds that Zacks coverage preceded a 2600 percent gain the last time they wrote about ELTP, and now Zacks just published a new article, so another massive run is supposedly loading. Here is what actually happened: in 2024, Zacks gave ELTP a bullish initiation when the stock was trading near a penny, right as the company was transitioning from near-zero revenue to a real business doing 84 million in annual sales. The stock ran because the business fundamentally transformed. The new Zacks article is a neutral comparison piece against a weaker pharma competitor -- no price target, and the one valuation note says ELTP is trading at 2.51 times EV-to-sales, right at its own five-year historical average. At its five-year average. That is not undervalued, that is fairly priced. The same story ran in 2024 when the rocket was on the launchpad; today the rocket has already flown, and the Zacks piece is just saying this one is better than that other mediocre option. On the M&A front, the CEO confirmed on the June earnings call that interested buyers have walked away because the 368-million-dollar enterprise value is too large for their balance sheets. When the would-be acquirers are self-eliminating on deal size, the timeline slips. The updated company guidance: if no deal gets done by end of 2026, they start uplisting prep. That is a year-end backstop plan, not imminence. No binary catalysts are coming. The generic Oxycontin commercial launch is blocked by a legal settlement with Purdue Pharma until at least August 2027, and FDA approval is still separately required on top of that. Next earnings are probably November 2026. Nothing changes the story until a signed merger agreement or a NASDAQ uplisting with real institutional sponsorship shows up. WATCH-ONLY. Not a baby. Not a scalp worth chasing. The three hard fails -- a 65-times ATH overhang from the dot-com era, 730-plus days of insider silence from a CEO sitting on 100 million dollars of shares, and roughly zero institutional ownership -- are all still there. Wait for the M&A announcement or move on.

Witne55

the pin that pricks the US $50k car market bubble is Chinese cheap robot-built EV models?

-Crash_Override-

They said what? Guy abobe said 'arent they landing rockets with ease'...which is not even close...and 10b was the milestone spacex hit 10 years ago. Tf does chinas EV progress factor into that statement.

SolidSpook

I told folks they were going to have the same fate as EV and they laughed at me…subarashii

Shdwrptr

Absolutely true but Tesla also IPO’d for a reasonable price and then cornered the market on EV’s. SpaceX IPO’s as one of the most valuable companies in the world and said, “we’re the Space Exploration Corporation but 90% of our revenue will be Grok and we also own Twitter now”

Valkorion335786

*Just a few more dollars TSLA* *You can do it* *Ignore the haters* *You are a* *~~EV~~* *~~Tech~~* *~~AI~~* *~~Space~~* *value stock*

PapaCharlie9

It's based on an estimated probability of profit = 100% - delta of the short leg. If that estimate holds, the [expected value](https://optionalpha.com/blog/how-to-calculate-expected-value) (average profit) of the trade is: Let C = opening credit and W = spread width and P = probability of profit as a percentage (set to 100% - delta), so ... P = 100% - delta EV = (C x P) - ((W - C) x (100% - P)) Imagine your spread was 30 delta. If we set EV = 0 for the breakeven price and P = 70%, we can solve for C = 0 = (C x 70%) - ((20 - C) x (100% - 70%)) 0 = (C x 70%) - (6 - (30% x C)) 6 = (C x 30%) + (C x 70%) = C 6 / 20 = 0.30, so to be profitable on average, you need to get more than $6 on a $20 wide 30 delta credit spread. 34% is greater than 30%, so it's a safe number as a rule-of-thumb for 30 delta spreads.

EntrepreneurOld7858

Yahoo Finance shilling for Ferrari so hard right now lmfao. Gotta get the investors rallied after that shit EV launch 🤌

ImAPonderer2

Look people, options are insurance contracts priced by professionals. Of course you lose money on them in the long run - that is why they are priced the way they are priced. The best negative EV bet is no bet.

No_Flow224

Nope. There is no moat. It’s a business whose autonomy failed on open road then they tried to pitch tele-operations, which doesn’t change the economics of trucking, just adds costs and complexity to equipment. Now they’re selling EV freight capacity - which is running freight (low margin enterprise) on more expensive and complex equipment (Class 8 EVs and Euro equivalent). The SPAC was a hail Mary pass from some very desperate investors looking for any exit door possible. Good luck, but this is neither a stock or business one would want to own any part of.

Regardo-8907

This stinks like LCID or other shitcos during the EV bubble.

Freak-Of-Nurture-

It's negative EV.

RedPlumpTomato

Slurp up this AI Slop!! ELTP — WATCH-ONLY Let me tell you about a company that does 49 million in real revenue, grew 77% year-over-year, runs a 50% gross margin, and posts 9 million in operating income — and whose stock has been going down for 13 consecutive months. That is Elite Pharmaceuticals, a specialty generic pharma manufacturer with a price of thirty-seven cents and a market cap of 93 million. The business is actually real. Revenues hit 48.9 million for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2026, up from 4 million the prior year. Operating income was up 151%. The company had $29.8 million cash and only $4.7 million in long-term debt going into July. At an EV of roughly $368 million, you are paying 2.47x revenue and 7.1x EBITDA for a profitable generic drug manufacturer with virtually no dilution (shares grew less than 1% this year). On paper, that is fucking cheap. Now let me tell you why it does not matter. The CEO holds something in the neighborhood of 25% of the company — a stake worth roughly $99 million at today's price. He has not bought a single open-market share in over two years. Not one. He thinks this company is worth 9 times the current price, says so on every earnings call, and has managed to find zero dollars of his own money to invest at these levels. That kind of silence from the person most in the know is the loudest possible signal. Directors? Same story. The entire management team is QUIET for 730+ days. Then there is the institutional situation, which is the most diplomatic way to describe zero institutional ownership on a $393 million company. The largest holder on file is 500 shares worth $185. Wall Street looked at this legitimate, profitable, growing pharma company and said pass. The big retail thesis rests on two legs. First, a generic Oxycontin product that was supposed to be a monster revenue catalyst. In June 2026, the lawsuit between Elite and Purdue Pharma settled — and Elite agreed not to commercialize that product until Purdue's patent expires in August 2027. That is 13 months away at minimum, with an FDA approval still needed on top of that. The catalyst did not disappear, it just moved to 2027. Second, M&A — the company hired an investment bank and the CEO has been saying on calls that they are exploring every option including being acquired, merging, or uplisting to NASDAQ. He named August 2026 as the rough target. August 2026 came and went with no deal. When asked directly, the CEO said 'the time is very near.' The bank is working. There is no signed deal. The other thing worth knowing is the all-time high: $24.50 in March 2000. Against a current price of $0.37, that is a 65.9x drop from peak. That is not a suppressed gem waiting to be discovered. That is 26 years of a company that has never escaped the penny-stock bucket, accumulated over a billion shares outstanding, and never recaptured its founding-era pricing. Three straight quarters of record earnings, three straight post-earnings drops. The market keeps telling you something. The retail crowd is genuinely bullish and the core of that conviction is based on real analysis of the financials. But the crowd reads are not converging across independent engines — this is a single-channel retail community with high conviction and some promotional amplification mixed in. Verdict: WATCH-ONLY. The business earns this attention. The ATH overhang, the 730-day insider silence, and the institutional void are three separate hard vetoes on baby conviction. The M&A optionality is real and worth watching — if a deal gets announced, the pop will be worth catching. Until then, the company keeps beating earnings and the stock keeps sliding, and that pattern tells you who is in control of the tape right now.

mylizard

I mean, if you’re gambling, holding positions for longer mathematically increases your EV due to fees and slippage

sonofalando

I think I’m addicted to driving my new EV. Nothing like flooring it and getting instant 295HP and 339lbs of torque while a Toyota Camry tries to overtake you 😂

Combat_Proctologist

> There are literally 10s of thousands of supercharger stations. There are, and they tend to be in dense metro areas. It's hard to, for example, find one driving between Des Moines and Minneapolis. They may exist, but they aren't exactly advertised, so I have no idea where they would be. On top of that, my savings over my honda civic seem like they would be fairly minimal. It was reasonably cheap But sure, if you can map out the chargers between there and find me an EV that's cheaper, I'll consider it. My biggest worry would actually be what heating the car in winter does to the range, and how quickly battery life degrades to needing 2 charges between those stops

Eddagosp

Tesla was always unreasonable. You don't buy a stock at the value that it **might** be in 5 to 10 years. You'll just be stuck holding the bag for 5 to 10 years. Retail regards started valuing the stock for its *potential* to displace ICE (gas) vehicle market share with EV instead of its *current* manufacturing capabilities. Like going back to 2020 and buying BTC at 100k instead of 10k because "that's what it'll be worth in 5 years." Your prediction ***might*** be correct, but 6 years later you're -40k instead of +50k.

dayvieee

I got an EV 3 years ago and I fill up my gas car once every 3 months since then (26 gals at 91 in California though)

Samjabr

Fair enough. But still, driving to another state isn't that hard with an EV. There are literally 10s of thousands of supercharger stations. And the savings make the extra 15 minute stop worth it?

Robj2

4.75 in Reno yesterday (unfortunately I had to refill the RAV PHEV for the first time since February) to pick up my wife and friend who were backpacking and bailed with the storms. Our other car is an Equinox EV, so I am very fortunate. Gasoline does not affect us, unlike almost all of our hiking friends.

oliver2022

I REALLY HOPE you mean a different lucid and not the EV maker

Saeonic

Cmon, love solar more, get an EV, get a Solar Panel, Get a backup Battery and cutoff from the grid dawg, be independent of this nonsense and pump my calls.

Combat_Proctologist

I have to drive to a different state about 3 times a year for work. Lots of people have something like that (especially relatives they have to visit a few times a year). Might do an EV for the second car though. Only need to be able to do that with one car.

Samjabr

Nice. Our government was giving away $7,500 per EV and some states were matching that. You could literally get a brand new EV and $10,000+ off. We should have one of the highest EV adoption rates in the world. And if we had been purchasing more, it would have given US EV makers more benefits from economies of scale. Instead, most companies sort of gave up and only a few EV makers remain - other than TSLA, many are niche or Korean. Just all around failtard behavior.

StrawberryChae

I don't even own a home and I own an EV, regarded?

Samjabr

I love my fellow American brothers and sisters - but collectively, sometimes we are the biggest dumbasses on earth. We literally created the EV market (The cool ones, anyway) and 20+ years later, total EV sales of new cars is \~6%, despite having one of the most expansive supercharging station infrastructures. Meanwhile, China 60%, Norway **90%**!!! FFS, In Nepal, 57% of all new cars are EVs - and their second car is usually riding on the back of a sherpa. That's why I find it so special when I hear retards bitch about the price of gas. The biggest hindrance: "Range Anxiety" - How many people legitimately drive more than 300 miles a day (or even in a week?)🤦‍♂️ If pulling into your garage at the end of the day and plugging your car in is a challenge, you probably shouldn't be allowed to own a car.

Mededitor

Your thinking was good. If a challenger to Tesla feels interesting, Lucid and Rivian are possibilities. The way investing works, you get a higher +EV if you get in early, but it’s higher risk. So I bought into both companies. Small positions to open. After a few weeks, they weren’t moving in the right direction so I closed them for a small loss. Had either or both started trending upward, I would have added more. Jumping into the water with a huge position is how you get hurt.

Icy_Jelly_315

Probably true UK has just got to 50% new car purchases being EV and I think that's largely real preference. There's incentives but not insane ones. But there's ships and aeroplanes not transitioning yet. Gonna be a year or two

Samjabr

One of China's biggest disadvantages is that they have very little in oil that can be drilled. So, they encourage EV adoption. It's actually amazing. Unfortunately, they are also building enough coal power plants to kill us all. In the US, EVs are \~6% of new cars. In China, it's reached almost 60% and appears to be trending upwards. That has an outsized effect, considering the population size. Now add in European adoption because of their comically high prices from regulation (In Norway, **93% of new cars are EVs** \- that's bananas), countries in the middle east leaving OPEC specifically because they want to pump more, and I think Oil will inevitably collapse. I know oil has many uses other than cars, but this must have a huge cumulative effect on the margins, especially as worldwide production continuing to steadily increase. Once this Iran shitshow is over, and the risk premium evaporates, oil is going to tank, and head far below $60. We saw how fast it went from $100 to $70 (mere days), despite all the experts claiming it would be 6-9 months after the war was over before prices really started to drop.

TrainingLower2317

Calls on EV right right 😁

Ok_Cry7572

Ferrari boss said he is "pleased" with the EV backlash. “This has happened before … remember when we launched the Purosangue four years ago?😂😂

Affectionate-Idea690

people grabbing tesla thinking another EV is going bankrupt lol

ZenCrisisManager

Maybe no US companies. There is no doubt, however, that Deepseek is eroding the mote for US Ai companies internationally. BYD recently overtook Tesla for the global EV sales crown, even though they are not allowed to sell their cars in the US.

sonofalando

Just bought an EV so y’all can thank me for the inflation numbers being so low. Saudi’s can suck my fat American cock 💅

ChewbaccaIsBear

tesler is AI space company bro, we all know it's not EV