GM

greysnowcone

If they lift this ban there’s no more Ford, GM, etc. political suicide and a national security nightmare. Never going to happen.

TryNotToShootYoself

The fundamental problem is that both parties are trying to win the votes of Michigan as well as hold seats in Ohio, Indiana, and Texas. In my opinion, the economically good thing to do is dampen our protectionism, but it is toxic politically. Neither party will immediately *gain* votes from reforming our auto-industry laws and restricting regulations. They will only lose votes for indirectly harming GM and Ford. Not to mention lobbying.

lonewolf420

Ford made a better EV than the Bolt at least. Forget global, GM isn't even the best EV maker in Michigan.

qaswexort

They will be single digital P/E then. Like GM

Sufficient_Habit5091

The year is 2032. 80% of S&P 500 companies are cashflow negative with soaring market caps. Debt fuels all spending which is fine since Fed balance sheet is now $100T. Those with positive FCF trade at single digit PEs and their stocks only go sideways. UAW on a huge strike as Ford, GM and Stellantis have transitioned to neoclouds and workers want to limit data center CapEx to an annual maximum of 90%, leaving at least 10% to auto plants.

Sufficient_Habit5091

The year is 2032. 80% of S&P 500 companies are cashflow negative with soaring market caps. Debt fuels all spending which is fine since Fed balance sheet is now $100T. Those with positive FCF trade at single digit PEs and their stocks go only sideways. UAW on a huge strike as Ford, GM and Stellantis have transitioned to neoclouds and workers want to limit data center CapEx to an annual maximum of 90%, leaving at least 10% to auto plants.

Sufficient_Habit5091

The year is 2032. 80% of S&P 500 companies are cashflow negative. Debt fuels all spending which is fine since Fed balance sheet is now $100T. UAW on a huge strike as Ford, GM and Stellantis have transitioned to neoclouds and they want to limit data center CapEx to an annual maximum of 90%, leaving at least 10% to auto plants.

noyourenottheonlyone

Your "horses left the barn" argument doesn't really make sense for EVs though, they were right there with VW and Hyundai in terms of timing for aggressive EV launches, with GM investing significantly more in their EV platform than Hyundai. Nissan was a lot earlier but with a smaller investment. You can argue that they have failed to execute, but not that they were stagnant.

noyourenottheonlyone

Are we talking EVs or hybrids? If we're talking about EVs, GM famously made a massive push for EVs a long time ago... They have almost a dozen different EV nameplates in production right now.. 4 escalades, 3 Chevy's, the Sierra and Silverado, the hummer Ev. The conversation that keeps being repeated is that they mistakenly went all in on EV and didn't go for hybrids which is now what people want.

lonewolf420

Women engineers in leadership are the tale tale sign accountability is going out the window. Only exception is Gwynne Shotwelll COO at SpaceX, mainly because she is very business savy and less for her engineering talents (which she still has as well but its more Biz and Rizz than technical leadership which TBH she could probably walk the talk there as well). Mary conversely has failed up, and investors still are not clocking it. She has a BS in electrical engineering but worked in supply chains at GM instead of engineering roles. 2008 crash She became vice president of Global Manufacturing Engineering. In July 2009, she advanced to the position of vice president of Global Human Resources, which she held until February 2011 when she was named executive vice president of Global Product Development. First year as CEO, General Motors issued 84 [safety recalls](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_recall) involving over 30 million cars. Barra was called before the Senate to testify about the recalls and deaths attributed to the faulty ignition switch. Barra and General Motors also came under suspicion of paying for awards to burnish the CEO and corporation's image during that time. The recalls led to the creation of new policies encouraging workers to report problems they encounter in an attempt to change company culture.

Dense_Purchase4087

Blanket comments like those above you just make me think the person hasn't been in a GM vehicle newer than 2004 and think they're still all like that

Direct_Band_3643

Alright, I don't need to hear from another disgruntled loser who got fired from GM because they were drunk on the job!! Go long on GM!!

Lucixxx6

GM retards ready to make some money or lose it all at the casino. what we looking at today boys

Vorapp

make fucking cars that drive and last beyond two years. any meme Penny stock with regard due diligence posted here is a better investment than GM

A55BAG

First WMT and now GM. Everyone wants those nice QQQ passive inflows

MtGloomy0420

GM cost taxpayers $11.2B as part of the U.S. government $49.5B bailout. https://time.com/82953/general-motors-bailout-cost-taxpayers-11-2-billion/

zxc123zxc123

GM: "We've changed our name to GaiNaiRaiL MaiTaiRS" *Market cap $5T*

GettheBozak

no, the "GM" became worthless and a new stock ticker was created with previous shareholders taking a wack in the dick

fastheadcrab

Looks like a complete scam company. Spend 5 minutes googling and it's very obvious. Similar to GM buying Nikola or Nvidia buying Poolside.

thatvhstapeguy

I don't disagree. I daily drive an early J car despite it's flaws. The examples I listed were not to discount the many great features of their cars, but to highlight the infamous public missteps that have garnered generations of ill will towards GM.

mailslot

I think the shit they receive is well deserved given my experiences over the past few decades. It’s not like I’m giving them shit because it’s popular. They’ve earned it. I think people that don’t know any better and have never owned a good car, have low enough expectations that a GM might be satisfactory.

FineFox3033

85% GM would truly be remarkable

Boobpocket

I guess we all have our diffrent experiences i just happen to think that GM doesnt deserve the amount of shit they recieve.

DrivingHerbert

Of those you listed only one sells more vehicles overall than GM. VAG and Stelantis each have over 10 brands under their belt, BYD has five and Toyota has 4. So of the 4 brands selling more than GM, all are doing so with either an equal number of brands, or more.

realribsnotmcfibs

I despise GM but your about to make me white knight them. You are retarded for thinking it matters how many “brands”.

082426grateful

Massive buy if one is banking on Boeing’s viability in the way we consider Coca Cola, IBM, GM, UPS, so on. Companies that simply are too large to fail, and cannot fail often due to having their tentacles in other parts of American industry. Boeing will never die, even if they don’t have retrieved space craft.

neverfearIamhere

You're just trying to backtrack from being wrong on your original post I commented on. This is par for the course for many brands. Stellantis has 14 fucking brands, Ford also has some like Lincoln that you are totally glazing over. Volkswagen has alot as well. You just have some weird hate for GM lol

thatvhstapeguy

Yeah but prior to that they farted out the Vega and the Citation and the Oldsmobile diesel and the Cruze and the Cobalts that would lock up the steering wheel randomly and the 6.2 with the bad lifters. They also once said “oh we’re an electric car company now” and then crushed them all. GM has built up shit tons of ill will in the car buying public

Brilliant-Bat7063

Yes….Other brands selling close to or outselling GM’a volume without needing 4 different brands lmao

ShaneSeeman

As a Bolt driver, it's funny watching Stellantis and Ford catch up to the PHEV market that GM stepped away from 7 years ago when their last model year of Volt released. BEVs are the future. You can argue that GM isn't the best global EV maker, but PHEVs are the stopgap for companies that didn't see the writing on the wall after the 2008 bailouts. I would have loved to see the Voltec drivetrain live on, particularly in Buicks and the rest of their small- to mid-size SUV portfolio. GM Energy and V2L technology will bolster their sales pitch in an era with rising utility bills and gas price volatility.

neverfearIamhere

This literally has GM at #5 worldwide, ahead of 11 other car makers...

neverfearIamhere

You do realize GM is THE highest vehicle seller by volume? So not sure why you are lying our your ass. Chevrolet alone is #3 in the US if we are just going by brand name only.

Open_Pollution_8038

They’ll do anything but make good cars lmao. Wouldn’t drive a GM if you gave one to me, would sell it to a sucker.

Upset14

They should already pivot from General Motors (GM) to Super Motor (SM) and who says otherwise will be a considered as enemy of America. Thank you for your attention to this brain fart.

debid4716

That’s not the full story. BYD, as an example, gets significantly more in subsidies than our domestic companies do. That means Ford, GM, Toyota and the rest are basically competing with the Chinese government on price. Not to mention a difference in safety standards, in safety standards for employees during production, and a whole slew of other things. There is more to it than just they don’t want to compete. Further, from a geopolitics standpoint point you don’t want Chinese companies getting a foothold here as China is our major adversary.

Bluecoregamming

GM will be shy of making the top 100 by 15 or so billion market cap, and if other companies like Oracle follow suit, if this is the start of some mass exodus for exit liquidity (half joking) it will become slightly harder for GM to break in.

axearm

Institutional investors that are required to buy specific shares (top 100 NASDAQ for example) 'care'. This is move by GM to catch some of those institutions I believe.

BiblicalAss

GM dying would be great for American tech. Considering they do not have a single hybrid car - I don't see How they survive the next five years 

ScheduleSame258

GM.ai

r5r5

Next: GM announces its transition to an AI powered horse carriage company.

SafeForTwerking

How is it with image generation capabilities? A year or two ago I did a one-off app for shits & giggles with Claude, but my "workflow" includes generating alot of art assets for a TTRPG campaign I'm running, alongside a sort of GM-helper module. ChatGPT is passable with the image generation, but I don't think I've seen or heard anything about Claude's image capabilities, or if it even has any. I could see breaking it out between the two, but I'd rather work with one AI service if I'm going to pay $20-30/month for it.

HairlessChest

short GM

Parking_Reputation17

They'd have more than that. The people that this program is aimed at is the administrative bloat: the Levels 68 to 70 (Partner, GM, VP) employees. For those that joined around when Satya became CEO, they've experienced a 10 year bull run of salary and stock grants that puts a lot of them into the 8-figure range.

GettheBozak

When the automakers went bankrupt, GM stock went to pennies. Investors lost everything. They were too big to fail. True. But investors weren't.

HairlessChest

GM to $0

darkoath

Frequently in bankruptcy proceeding the existing stock shares are just eliminated and go to zero. If the company emerges from bankruptcy restructured, management can then issue totally new shares in the "new" company and is under no obligation to exchange in kind with previous investors. I lost $800 on the K-Mart/Sears deal that way which was a lot of money to me back then. Other chapter 11 companies to completely wipe out their shareholders include: GM (2009), Delta Airlines (2005), American Airlines (2011), Hertz (2020), Regal Cinemas (2022) if you need more references. Better than 50% chance you lose all your investment especially if it's going private which means no new shares in the new business will be publicly issued at all. I hope it works out for you. But I always remember what my Gramma used to say, "A bird in the hand...can still shit halfway up your arm."

jasperCrow

GM Mossad. You’re going to have your hands full today!

Conscious-Start-4514

Sure. But when the economy experiences quite literally 40 years inflation in six years, and there are more people living with their parents in their 20s/30s because they can't afford $2000 rent and $5 petrol, I think we can pretty easily discern that these are not only unprecedented times, but the odds of all these people being financially illiterate is lower than an economy legitimately squeezing every penny out of laborers. Laughably wrong? I've lived in small/medium midwestern towns all my life. The average person makes $19 an hour here. Sure a house is only 250k and not 450k, but you're also making half the money. I lived in Lansing for decades which is a husk of what it was before GM left. Calling bullshit send me these decent listings.

TechnicalWhore

Let me guess. They are predominantly US based. They have been with the company for a long time and have accrued stock options that are costing the company. They may be older and more costly to insure with health care. So if they take the package MS nets a profit. If they do not the package will be withdrawn and they will still be shown the door. This is the modus operandi in Silicon Valley. So much so that the TV comedy of the same name made light of it. Note the company will of course target a few in other Countries and of variable age and tenure. That blocks the potential lawsuits for age discrimination etc. What will be interesting is how many of MS' massive number of SVP's, VP's, GM's, Directors are shown the door. I mean AI has to be as good at their jobs as they are too.

StrangeInsanity

Tesla just today added more market value than Ford and GM combined while having sold less cars, less revenue and less profit than either of them individually.

whitechapel8733

\> This is a brand ranking, so if you group by parent company, GM’s 25,473 EVs across Cadillac, Chevrolet and GMC and Hyundai Motor Group’s 22,254 across Hyundai, Kia and Genesis still put Rivian third for the quarter. 19k sales placing them in second place if you just decide to ignore actual manufacturing and not just “brands”. In reality they are maybe fourth and Polestar sold 61k vehicles roughly in 2025 and only don’t appear on this list because they were removed by government mandate.. Rivian only needs another 27 years to get themselves into 4th position with only 5 players? Also Rivian has no other alternatives the other brands are perfectly fine not selling EVs if customers want something else, Rivian MUST win in EV space.

geosouth

The U.S. taxpayer put roughly $49.5–$50.2 billion into GM via TARP. It recovered about $39–$39.7 billion, mostly by selling its equity stake (which started around 60.8%) after GM’s 2009 bankruptcy and 2010 IPO. You can try to put all the lipstick you want on that pig. The taxpayers still got shafted for $10.4 billion (actually, 11.2B) from the GM bailout.

Key-Beginning-2201

"and the shareholders were wiped out"... Yeah, and? GM did pay it back. What you're googling is a loss on stock the government paid for, then later sold at market price.

Yankee831

GM didn’t even pay back their loan. The company that was GM pre “bailout” was allowed to go bankrupt and shareholders were wiped out. The CEO and board was dismissed. The government received equity for their funding the new GM.

geosouth

GM left the American taxpayer on the hook for 10.4 billion. So, I don't know where the f\*ck you're coming up with, 'GM paid their loan back in two years'. Obama gave half a Chrysler to the UAW and the other half was sold to Fiat.

Key-Beginning-2201

GM paid back their loan in 2 years. Chrysler in 3. Because they had a fundamental business under the loan that wasn't significantly impacted. What business is a business of AI BS hype? That's 80% of their value. A big lesson: The government also can force a change in governance and much of the ownership. When it bought into these companies it forced that change. They can demand the same from Tesla and SpaceX, because if you're being bailed out to begin with, you're not being governed prudently.

TechnicalWhore

It was only a couple weeks ago that he moved his Ohio rally to a high school gym - which he barely filled - because the auto plant he planned to have his photo op at was shuttered. And what happened to that Georgia EV battery plant (LG/Hyundai) which ICE raided. This occurred when their Congresswoman Majorie Taylor Green supported the Epstein Disclosure Act. No the facts do not support the post. The truth is that the Fossil Fuel Industry that has been dictating US Foreign and Domestic Policy for a Century got freaked out by the rise of Renewables, battery storage and EVs. The power utility monopolies did as well. And that Inconvenient Truth - Climate Change is not a hoax. (They covered it up since the 1980's.) Think about this. During the President Carter Administration he told the American Public the truth. If we do not change our ways we will be fighting oil wars forever. History proves he was right. He put solar panels on the White House and invested in Renewables, Hybrids and EVs (his Moonshots). All the automakers took the money and built protos. GM had the Electrovair (electric Corvair) in 1966 and the EV1 in 1995. That's 17 years before Tesla. GM also held the patents for hybrid electric systems from their 1932 diesel electric train engines - still in use today. The Cartel made SURE the public never got them. It threatened their hegemony. And here we are. They bought Trump with over a billion in donations.

oyiyo

I'm not certain that how it works - What appears in market is valuations of companies, ie the collective assessment of their tangible and intangible assets, including their future productive capacity. - When people start selling more, the price drops until equilibrium of buying / selling is reached again, reflecting that people think a company is worth less - At this point, *wealth is destroyed*. The world has less value. It doesn't even need more cash, as an extreme example if tomorrow for some reason a company invent teleportation for free, and if no one wants to buy GM stock, that company values goes to 0, with no cash generated. - Cash itself is not a real asset per se, it's a transient hold of money we agree we can all use to acquire other assets. It's like oil in an engine. It literally gets created by your bank when you ask for a loan (ie economic activity picks up) and get destroyed when you pay back your loan (ie economic activity gets destroyed)

Sea_Local2557

currently not much, i sold out with the crash SPY, AT&T, Reddit, GM, NFLX, BIRK I like to buy after selloffs been gamma scalping Nebius the last month with great results, the RV is just so much bigger than IV

therealjerseytom

Lived through 2008. I was only a year into my career. There was nothing special to do. Same percentage of my paycheck went into my 401k every two weeks. I did take a gamble on some individual stocks in a brokerage account, and made some good short term money on that. Other than the total loss of GM. 😅 Now? Targeting early retirement in 5-10 years. I have a separate all-weather portfolio that's sized to live well for ~3-5 years without needing to touch my growth assets. 50% bonds, 20% managed futures, 20% defensive/dividend equities, 10% cash equivalents. I'm confident and comfortable with that.

AndThisGuyPeedOnIt

The model creators can't turn a profit and have so much locked in future spend they can never pay (and that's ignoring that free, open-weight models only get better). The neoclouds are leveraged to the tits. There's not enough electrical capacity to even build all this shit, assuming there is enough demand for it (and the demand is purely speculative). The public is fighting back so hard on data centers that the politicians are going to lose their jobs for supporting it, and they aren't going to do that. I see this as DotCom 2.0. The bad names are going to drag everything else down, but the survivors will be making more money than ever after the pop bottoms out. The problem is the market is so over leveraged to AI that the pop would be huge. Ford and GM had junk credit because of macro. The Neoclouds have junk credit because their business model is a Ponzi scheme that may never hit.

EmergencyFair6786

Yes. I think that was immediately after the Covid crash and spike. So maybe somewhere in 2022? I remember sending my brother a message about it. I added up the top 10 market caps of Volkswagen, Toyota, Stellantis, Ford, GM, etc etc and it was still about 100 billion shy of Tesla. When I added up the sales Tesla came out to 3%. So 3% of all car sales but worth 100 billion more than ALL combined. 

Disproving_Negatives

Yeah it's crazy. This is an AI summary but I'd guess those numbers are fairly accurate: |**Company**|**Current Market Capitalization**|Net Profit per Quarter|**Earnings Status & Notes**| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |**Tesla (TSLA)**|\~$1,530 Billion|**$787 Million**|Official Q3 2026 results (reported Oct 21, 2026); net income fell 43%.| |**Toyota (TM)**|\~$226 – $256 Billion|**\~$7.5 Billion** (Avg.)|Calendar Q3 results expected in early November. Prior quarter net profit was \~¥1.33 Trillion (\~$8.7B).| |**BYD (01211.HK)**|\~$100 – $122 Billion|**\~$1.3 – $1.5 Billion** (Est.)|Q3 2026 official earnings scheduled for release on October 29, 2026.| |**Volkswagen (VOW3)**|\~$50 – $60 Billion|**\~$2.4 Billion** (Avg.)|Q3 2026 earnings release scheduled for October 29, 2026.| |**General Motors (GM)**|\~$66.8 Billion|**$3.3 Billion**|Official Q3 2026 results (reported Oct 20, 2026); net income surged 151% YoY.|

Immediate_Hope_5694

Every time tesla reports the non-GAAP income to pump their numbers, but somehow GAAP is always lower. GAAP net income was $0.15 a share or $700 million. Compare to GM $3.7 billion in net income....

Spac55

GM got earnings crash, what happens to TSLA, at higher interest rate era earnings

Several-Bridge-6287

Why doesn't Elon just buy Rocketlab, Ford, GM, Mazda and Stellantis and make it illegal to start new car companies? Is he dumb?

ryallen23

You can’t name a large cap thats more overvalued than this one because there isn’t. If you replaced the CEO and gave the company a new name but the whole business stayed the same, the stock would be like $80, maybe 100 during peaks. Like GM or something

bigmphan

We all kinda saw this coming- but TESLA was far and away the first, had the charging infrastructure, and truthfully has the StarLink and AI power to optimize autonomous driving better than anyone else still I believe. But to have a market cap higher than Toyota and GM and Ford combined? Not sustainable. All other majors are now EV and hybrid players, and the Elon shine has turned a bit rusty IMHO

NorthOfTheStrike

the july line is the whole story for me. collected on the 3 quiet ones, gave most of it back in one morning. and that was a 14.5% close down, not some freak tail nobody could have imagined. i only sell cash secured puts and covered calls, nothing naked, so i would not sell the straddle anyway. not selling into $GM or $NFLX today either. already rolled the puts i was worried about out to 2027, have not sold any new puts into this slide, october premium is $1,395 and i still have 30 positions open. only expiry i have on friday is a $HIMS Oct 23 $30 covered call, happy to let that one ride. with TSLA i would rather sit wednesday out and look again thursday once that 77% friday IV is gone.

OhBenjaminFranklin

I wonder how my GM calls are doing...

Pitiful-Voyage

Exactly my point. Stripped shitty R2 with one motor and RWD has range in the 180-200 real world miles in perfect weather, no off road capability, and it's still going to be 8-10k more than cars from Toyota and GM that will outperform it on range and build quality and some will have AWD.

Thisispaartaaa

I think people just don't understand, that if you want to find companies that are growing at an alarming rate, you basically have to invest in tech. Buying GM for instance gives you what? 2% growth per year? NBIS is like doubling revenue every quarter.....just saying

Ampliified

So did GM and they are down 7%

Ambitious_Snow840

GM is trading at 5x operating cash flows, confirmed their profits, and just announced a buyback equal to 28% of their market cap. Stock is down 7%. This is truly a remarkable market. Thanks Mango, American manufacturers are back....

ck_zaza

Damn GM doing a share buyback , sick of this buyback shit

civillyRange

Damn GE and GM not lookin so hit tariffs fucked their shit up

Samjabr

GM beats and announces it's buying back almost 1/3 of the company stock - still down 🤦‍♂️

housemouse431

GE and GM just beat earnings. If companies continue to buck the sentiment, we should go up.....right!? right!?

GildedWarrior

I'm feeling GM puts for earnings report tomorrow morning

tbarbar9

I lost 280k. But I wasn't trading. It also wasn't 96% of my portfolio (like 15%). Bad month for semi's. What the hell are you doing? Leveraging everything you got!!! I've done options ocasionally but they are small relative to my portfolio. And I only use them when I feel like I have a huge edge and even then I'm occasionally wrong. FYI, I like them when I know there is a binary outcome by a certain date and that binary outcome is pretty well predictable. Ex. Buying puts on the Russian economy (through a Russian economy etf) just before the invasion of Ukraine. Biden had been saying the invasion was imminent and he was going to target their economy if they went forward with it. Or buying puts on Nikola after they were caught with fraudulent truck and knowing GM had to decide to move forward on letter of intent to invest in them or not by a certain date.

Negative-Picture-511

GM spends 3 billion on advertising and they have to. Tesla spends zero on advertising but something similar on the Roadster development but the world took notice. Free advertising that’s the plot.

Disastrous-Bed-3431

You mean like GM taking money from government agencies year after year...

Teiagon

You have to keep in mind that the American economy hinges on the success of the AI enterprise at this point. Just like GM and banks (ex Lehman, Bear Sterns) in 2008, the government (tax payers) could very well be the backstop to any catastrophic scenario.

Already-Price-Tin

Shareholders don't get rescued in a government bailout. If you invested $1000 in Citibank in January 2006, the government will have saved your investment from going to zero in November 2008, but it would barely hang on and be worth about $25 at bottom in March 2009, and climb up over 20 years to now be worth $400. If you invested $1000 in AIG in January 2006, the government would've bailed you out by diluting your stock in September 2008, your investment would've bottomed out at around $5 in March 2009, and climbed back up to about $96 today. If you invested $1000 in GM in January 2006, you would've lost everything. The government bailout of the company explicitly wiped out any existing shareholders and left them with nothing. So yeah, maybe a government bailout could happen. But that's not an investment thesis.

PM-ME-YOUR-HAPPY

Ford and GM are both up today.

Fluid_Strategy7368

and people still buy that sh!t Luce too. Not to mention that Jag Type 01. And believe every word that comes out of the mouth of GM CEO Mary B. And FORD's cars are all made in China now and imported back to US.

Prior-Tie3624

Setting aside his personality, Elon Musk really is a genius. Toyota, GM, and Ford couldn’t build a car this incredible—not even if they had until the year 2100. It can drive on walls and adjust its orientation while in mid-air; honestly, I can’t think about anything else right now.

bomber991

Is it a gimmick with no practical use? Yeah of course it is. Is it badass awesome? Absolutely. I want one. More Tesla stock has been purchased. GM over there struggling with deciding to put Apple CarPlay back in there cars and Tesla is over there making cars without steering wheels that drive themselves, and cars with spacex thrusters on them.

Cryptosupergod

You are the one who claimed "spent a fortune". Whatever the definition of a fortune is to you and then to a trillion dollar company is still another thing. But showing of tech and progress as a semi tech company is a bad thing? You're an idiot. You should work at GM.

NeonRedHerring

I don’t like Elon’s politics or horde of trillions of dollars, but this stunt panders to anyone who likes cool shit. If China did this we’d be saying “damn we’re way behind.” If GM did this we’d be like “fucking cool, are they now competing with NASA?” You can dislike the man and acknowledge the product is pretty sick.

Ok-Clerk393

Blah blah blah everything sucks I hate my life blah blah blah. GM invented active suspension in the fucking 80s and had it in just about every performance car they made in the early 2010s. NOBODY WOULD GIVE A FUCK. I am so far from a Tesla person but these dumb fucks crying about how this isn’t cool as shit are losers.

Fast_Instance2173

They don’t sell them here cuz the government needed to protect the traditional American automakers: Ford, GM, Chevy; those tariffs and fees were in place for a while. Similar thing they did in the 80s-90s on Japanese motorcycles to try and protect Harley Davidsons shitty fucking product from losing market share.

Immediate_Hope_5694

Ford and GM are "making" $50 billion in revenue a quarter and are actually profitable, not 'profitable before calculating expenses' garbage. Guess how much those two are worth?

DoobsNDeeps

Maybe it's peak, maybe it's not. But with the valuation where it's at, there's no point in holding to find out until we see GM resume an upward march. If you knew how Wall Street dcfs work you'd know that the stock is over valued and so everyone is riding the financial momentum. Peak GM will be the key to the top and any time the GM slips, the stock will slip

SpicyElixer

Product transition costs and currency fluctuations make a 1% margin variance statistical noise. Applying "Peak GM" to TSMC because of a 1% quarterly fluctuation is funny. TSM is ramping up and stable while dealing with costly transitioning to the new 2nm node. But yes, timing selloffs like this is exactly the type of shit bros on Wall Street would do. They wouldn’t call it peak GM though in this case.

DoobsNDeeps

You're all retarded, it sold off because the gross margin slipped, and guided with a lower floor. Revenue growth doesn't matter anymore, everyone is just tying to time the peak GM. How tf do you guys not know this.

130_R

Integrateds are fuk bro. Until CLF makes a move into long products, totally dependent on 12 yr loans on Doge and GM pickemup trucks.

Already-Price-Tin

> I mean they are also growing at the rate that no business has grown before. They are doing that through additional fundraising. It does nothing to refute the "it's overhyped" thesis to point out that there's a lot of hype. Anthropic has raised something like $100 billion in the last year alone, and we know of a $42 billion deal for debt from Broadcom. That money has to come from somewhere, and the macroeconomic trends are presenting headwinds for the first time in this current AI cycle: higher interest rates, high energy prices, data center projects over budget and behind schedule, etc. OpenAI's deals with Oracle and Softbank are actually threatening the solvency of both of those. An asset retaining value doesn't mean that the person who owns the asset can't run out of money operating that asset. Sometimes the best play is to wait for the current owner to run out of money, and then buy that valuable thing at fire sale prices. We have dozens of household name brands that went through that cycle, from GM to Hostess to basically everything Bending Spoons owns. Being invested in the previous owner doesn't guarantee being invested in the product in the future.

Entire-Ad-7339

I’m sure Ford and GM was saying the same thing 15 years ago.

mattmentecky

Adjusted for inflation GM was $245B in debt and spent $120B between 2005-2009, of course they got a gov bailout, split the company in two, declared bankruptcy and walked away from their debt...