MSTR

Ble_h

Corn is fake anyway. Puts on MSTR and every other company who buys buttcoin.

Snoo-30340

MSTR going to announce $4B btc purchase tomorrow

Gom_KBull

honestly i think these things play out MUCH longer than any of us have attention spans for. Id give it by Dec 2026 or so until MSTR faces a huge credit event.

Successful_Car1670

Only question is when MSTR gets liquidated…

smellyfingernail

MSTR to 0

cbusoh66

Selloff in Bitcoin --> Selloff MSTR --> More Bitcoin Selloff --> More MSTR Selloff and so on Once the feedback loop gets going, ain't nothing stopping the carnage....

PureSpecialistROTMG

!banbet MSTR +40% 20w

InformationSad5653

When is it time to do monthly’s on MSTR

groovur

Chanos exited his short MSTR and lng btc Thursday, not sure about Shkreli. 

jraiv420

MSTR 🌽 margin call would be sexy

John-AtlasGames

Wish I'd held my SBIT longer but at least I bought MSTR puts on Friday

Bacon_Sammich_247

Bet against BMNR and MSTR first thing Monday… [I am not a financial professional, this is not financial advice]

youyololiveonce

All this negative sentiment on MSTR only means it’s time to full port MSTR

---Right--Tackle---

MSTR gonna open at 0

sl3azebag

BTC to 85, MSTR to 150. All end of week! Thanks for ur attention to this matter bitches.

joe4942

MSTR + BMNR likely cooked.

Initial_Ad_9250

Folks from Netflix please put me. in the screenshot when you're preparing a documentary on MSTR's decline .

Zeppu

MSTR won't be the immediate problem, it will be the small companies that have copied the same model. Those will fall first and initiate forced selling, creating a chain of sales that will then, yes, end up dragging MSTR down.

S-Club-Party

If you’re an MSTR bro and have never asked yourself how someone makes money from 0% bonds, it might be the time

Latrodectus1990

MSTR is dead tmrw I hope you dont have it in your port folio

ThatFUTGuy

if any of you regards believed in that lunatic $MSTR ceo and his ghey ai pictures then i hope your calls expire worthless for being so brain dead

orangeyougladiator

MSTR somehow pulled off the first regulated and legal Ponzi scheme and people still have faith in it

NewLifeInAfghanistan

Maybe another casual $5k drop on corn and I'll sell my MSTR puts tomorrow

Snoo-30340

MSTR 250 tomorrow

peaceinthevoid2

I have MSTR and STRC, strk, strf, MSTY and STRD. I'm dumping all this shite tomorrow for a 5k USD loss. F this scammy shite.

Zeppu

Why are they saying that MSTR is below NAV when its magical currency assets never actually held any value? How can you calculate NAV on something that is purely speculative? It’s like building a castle in the air. I understand the NAV of a company with land full of wind turbines and solar panels, with factories, with oil reserves, but what the hell is the NAV of a magical currency whose value is only assigned by fantasy?

Skid-Vicious

Let’s goooo with pushing MSTR down to 150

9xD4aPHdEeb

I have been short MSTR long IBIT for a long time. Now that mNAV is close to 1, I am not sure what to do next. Some thoughts: # Short MSTR long IBIT * Just like mNAV went much higher than 1, mNAV could go lower than 1. * Saylor could sell BTC and buy back shares bringing mNAV up to 1. mNAV of 1 is the steady state. * Saylor's debt is not due for several years, so he won't be in trouble for a while. # MSTR put or IBIT put * If Saylor sells BTC (to buy back shares) it could lower the price of BTC. BTC dropping would take down MSTR as well. * MSTR puts are more expensive than IBIT puts. # Short volatility (short MSTR put + long IBIT put) * Volatility of MSTR has decreased, but is still larger than IBIT. * Delta hedging of convertible bond holders decreases volatility. # Long volatility * The big players (convertible debt holders) profit from higher volatility. Could also make sense to align with their best interest.

9xD4aPHdEeb

I have been short MSTR long IBIT for a long time. Now that mNAV is close to 1, I am not sure what to do next. Some thoughts: # Short MSTR long IBIT * Just like mNAV went much higher than 1, mNAV could go lower than 1. * Saylor could sell BTC and buy back shares bringing mNAV up to 1. mNAV of 1 is the steady state. * Saylor's debt is not due for several years, so he won't be in trouble for a while. # MSTR put or IBIT put * If Saylor sells BTC (to buy back shares) it could lower the price of BTC. BTC dropping would take down MSTR as well. * MSTR puts are more expensive than IBIT puts. # Short volatility (short MSTR put + long IBIT put) * Volatility of MSTR has decreased, but is still larger than IBIT. * Delta hedging of convertible bond holders decreases volatility. # Long volatility * The big players (convertible debt holders) profit from higher volatility. Could also make sense to align with their best interest.

TreGet234

Why does the YieldMax MSTR Option Income Strategy ETF have such crazy divident yield? The stock value itself is nosediving so i guess it cancels out but what black magic are they doing?

ThatFUTGuy

i never cared for 🌽treasuries before like $MSTR but after seeing their CEO — why did any of you regards invest in that company? Guys a fukin mental case

FraserValleyGuy77

What corn price make MSTR go under?

VotedOut

CAPE Ratio, Buffett Indicator, and Mean Reversion are 2 standard deviations over-valued compared to historical trend. That is objectively euphoric, regardless of the commenting you see online. Many stock prices are objectively at euphoric prices. Sure, I'll see posts and discussions about "bubble or not". But then I look at the daily thread and other places and it's mostly just throw-away comments of "we go up" idiots who can't even throw more than one sentence together. I mean, you could be right that the bubble will get crazier from here. But then you'd need to argue that CAPE Ratio, Buffett Indicator, and Mean Reversion will get much crazier than they have historically ever been before the market snaps. Market bubbles generally burst months (or even years) in advance before the earnings data and economic data/cycle plateaus or goes south. Earnings growth and economic data often looks good and "in the clear" at the top of a market bubble. Many of the hot stocks are already baking in like 5-10 years of uninterrupted growth in advance right now. And there's many flashing warning signs if you're paying attention: Dog-shit money losing stocks with near-zero revenues have been getting pumped like crazy this year just for saying the words "AI, blockchain, hyper-scaler, data center, quantum computing, space rockets" or whatever other bullshit. PLTR at $440B market cap is over 100x price-to-sales ratio is the most expensive mega-cap in history. TSLA at $1.4T has no growth and has been propped up on Elon's bullshit grifting. The market cap of Gold has doubled in just 2 years from $14T to [$28T](https://companiesmarketcap.com/gold/marketcap/), far out-pacing inflation. Crypto (with it's multi-trillion dollar "market cap") has been the biggest scam bubble for years now that has been propped up by stable-coin printing, Microstrategy buying, and other financial chicanery non-sense. Right now though, with the broken technicals on the crypto charts and MSTR, as well as the apparent "pause" in stable-coin printing... it is looking like the collapse of the crypto house of cards may now \*potentially\* be happening. And if crypto collapses, I think it will spill over some into weakness in the rest of the market.

The_AMD_Guy

MSTR has lost all hype and with that all premium a while ago. All these treasury companies that do not have a core business attached are a dangerous game. I guess Saylor must realise this because he has calmed down taking on debt the last few months. I like the new $ABTC miner / treasury company hybrid since they are mining with a 56% margin however they are still valued at $4B when the company is lucky to have a $1B valuation. Just buy bitcoin directly if you want exposure.

bushwickhero

I don’t hold MSTR but good luck

MtGloomy0420

The ship, your $MSTR and daddy, the US Government burning alone.

vermilli21

MSTR is gonna be a good play next week, can still see it drill another 5% before a bounce going into Turkey day

AlmostAsianJim

It's been almost a year since $MSTR guy blew up his million dollar account. Goddamm time flies.

Snoo-30340

MSTR will be the greatest stock on earth

lipmanz

Is MSTR really below NAV?

sl3azebag

yeah nah MSTR still gonna go down

sl3azebag

\- average HODLER of MSTR

sl3azebag

if BTC goes to 85, what does MSTR go to?

sl3azebag

The investors of X are now saying to short MSTR... they need to do some catching up we've been known this.

Letsmovethemarket

I cannot understand why anyone would buy MSTR. Just buy and accumulate BTC!

groovur

Thinking about selling some 150 Jan exp Calls for MSTR. Seems like a no brainer.

No-Childhood2675

What happens if Bitcoin drops below MSTR's average BTC holding of $65K?

sl3azebag

MSTR dies next week, GOOGL flies next week. the world is healing!

greyenlightenment

COIN MSTR and BTC election gains gone or almost gone. Adjusted for QQQ performance, even worse..

greyenlightenment

nah MSTR

Jehoopaloopa

Makes no sense to use a 3rd party like MSTR, especially when they claim to be a leveraged play on BTC but whenever BTC is up 3%, MSTR will be up 1.5% or less since Saylor dilutes constantly.

sl3azebag

MSTR to 150 and ill post to r/ratemycock

PaperHandsTheDip

You can also buy IBIT & other crypto ETFs which are not exposed to the same risks MSTR is. MSTR is essentially leveraging debt to buy crypto. If it goes down you're cooked. Just buy IBIT if you want crypto exposure in your TFSA

infiniteszef

No, that had nothing to do with BTC, they bought converts, then immediately shorted the stock (convertible bond arbitrage). In case they ever converted, they would just dump them on the market and exit the position. Anyways that was the play back when they used to issue converts. Now they stopped issuing them and focus exclusively on preferred stocks. I am assuming that it got too risky for MSTR as bonds need to be paid back at some point, while the prefs do not - the narrative quickly shifted from "look how great these bonds are, we get money for 0% interest" to "we have these great prefs that give you exposure to BTC without the volatility". And they said multiple times that they do not plan on issuing any more converts.

Miserable-Dot-9291

Just an fyi... to break even at 50% loss, the investment has to double at this point. So, you need MSTR to go up more than 100% just to break even at this point.

mrmrmrj

What fundamental basis would anyone use to evaluate $MSTR that is different?

Hamachiman

I guess it’s just me, but after completely disregarding MSTR for the past year+ I bought some yesterday. Seems the market cap is finally in line with the BTC hodlings.

EnginrA

Like MSTR?

Myssz

in what fucking world is it bottom right now? MSTR can easily drop fucking 500% and still be overvalued.

Lopsided-Magician-36

Easy saylors net worth is in MSTR shares. He’s about to sell a quarter billion worth of shares. He’s doesn’t give a fuck if bitcoin goes up or down. As long as his shares are able to be sold he’ll make money whether the company fails or not. Yall really got saylor’d

stumblios

Saylor (MicroStrategy CEO, one of the largest Bitcoin holders) also posted a meme of him alone on a life raft, with a boat behind him going down in flames labeled with the MSTR ticker on it. Kind of hilarious optics for one of the people whose wealth is most closely tied to bitcoins success. I wonder what drugs he was on when he posted that.

thetaFAANG

I actually lost 50,000 reddit karma foreseeing this to MSTR bagholders

TomatoSpecialist6879

You talking about that MSTR guy right? Didn't that dude end up recovering to 40k or some shit and nope out immediately

qaswexort

GOOG was the forbidden fruit Next comes NVDA, then PLTR, then MSTR

Puzzled-Question-156

MSTR shareholders are being diluted to pump everyone else's crypto🤣 Why on earth would anyone hold this?

skymagic

legit scared I missed the generational manupulated MSTR dip 🥹

Gunzberg

I've had to roll MSTR to June 2026 (June!!!) just to avoid a loss today

sl3azebag

if MSTR bounces next week, i’m cheating on my girlfriend. If It drops, I cheat on her, but as a celebration!

GoZukkYourself

Fellas, you're hitting your waifu pillow from the back, and she turns around and says, "Buy MSTR calls.". WDYD 🤔

Cracked_Tendies

No dude. Stop that shit. Sell all your MSTR and just buy VT to shield yourself from your own damn ignorance

lavenderviking

At this rate you’d be lucky to have MSTR @ 300 if BTC hits $200K

UnfunnyTroll

You forgot MSTR

sl3azebag

people keep coping about BRC and MSTR, must mean it’ll be headed down further

Happy_Discussion_536

>Is there any bullshit scam you won't simp for? u/pmotiveforce I'm just telling the truth. Microstrategy is not leveraging in a way that would put BTC at risk in the event of a black swan. Preferred equity and debt are not the same thing. I don't advocate for MSTR, I just hold BTC only. But truth and facts matters. If you consider that simping and it contradicts what you say, maybe you should reflect on the possibility you're the one scamming and harming people. Just to clarify, scams I am definitely against: * Quantum vaporware * Oil companies * Auto companies * Airlines * Memes in general like glorified helicopters posing as futuristic taxis. * Small caps as a whole * Terrible bearish scams like TMV, holding cash or buying puts.

PepperDogger

Aren't MSTR's balls are in a vice with their leverage? They can't sell BTC to unlever because it'll create a vicious cycle, and ain't nobody coming to bail them out with a negative NAV. A greater fool better come along quick to buy BTC, or there's going to be some pain. -33% in a month may be the best month they'll have for a while. And do bagholders think Saylor is going to suffer with them?

_CryptoAlpha_

MSTR went up 800% after IBIT launched so I don’t think that argument holds any weight. I think the premium is contracting because investors are expecting a Bitcoin bear market.

Send_Lawyers

I made 5k today on iBit and MSTR puts. It’s time for a cigar Partagas series P #2. Dalmore cigar malt. Hey siri play Black Friday by Stealy Dan. I’m gonna get drunk.

PaperHandsTheDip

Historically it traded at a premium as there were really no other ways to gain exposure to crypto for most people. Now things like IBIT exist it doesn't make sense for those premiums to exist. MSTR is higher risk so the premiums should really be negaive, not positive. Market is correctly pricing that in now

PritchettsClosets

MSTZ a better play. MSTR is FINALLY "trading in line" with the price of BTC. So it's FINALLY "close to being fairly valued" Not an amazing short entry unless you think BTC is going down.

Gorm_the_Old

Serious answer: because for several years, MSTR was the only way for boring investment funds that had limitations on what they could hold, like mutual funds, to gain access to crypto. That led to a massive premium over their book value, since so many investors with otherwise limited options could only buy "crypto treasury" stocks like MSTR. That in turn made it a leveraged play on crypto, which attracted even more investors. But now crypto ETFs and futures exist, and even leveraged crypto ETFs exist, so there's no more reason to hold MSTR. It's now just a big pot of BTC with no easy way of converting it into actual coins or cash. It's a gigantic executive compensation fund for Saylor and friends, and investors are figuring out that there's no good reason to hodl it.

pontata777

You won a bet one time and you’re trying to get that dopamine again. Take the 50K that you are up and stop gambling. Or, be a degenerate and lose it all buying MSTR calls.

Snoo-30340

Bers get triggered when they hear MSTR but this will be a $500 stock year end

fnoguei1

MSTR severely oversold right now. Once the RSI touches 19 im loading up 🤑🤑

snek-jazz

You'll never guess who the biggest MSTR shareholder is.

ProfessionalOkra29

The dream would be for cryptobros to move their capital to stocks so both my calls and MSTR puts print

FnAardvark

They clearly don't, considering the entire thread is people assuming MSTR sold a bunch of bitcoin. I guess they'll figure it out Monday when they announce that they purchased more.

docherino

I know just giving an example. MSTR isnt like a leveraged ETF where they get liquidated if it hits a certain price. They are structured in a way where they are betting that Bitcoin appreciates at least over 11% on average for the next 4 years

Sryzon

MSTR is mostly just a way for institutions that are normally limited to holding bonds to get exposure to BTC. They buy convertible bonds. The convertible bonds have value because they can be converted to shares. The shares have value because of the mNav of MSTR.

PaperHandsTheDip

Then buy IBIT. It's a 100x better option over MSTR if you believe in the long term longevity of BTC. MSTR has is leveraged exposure. If investors stop giving them money OR if BTC goes down MSTR is fucked. IBIT would be fine if BTC goes down tho

sl3azebag

MSTR had its dead cat bounce on oct 3. Now, it goes to $150

Milksteak_Sandwich

In Canada I can buy MSTR through my Tax Free Savings Account, which is a benefit if you believe in Bitcoin.

Cockballzz

Can a regard please confirm my regarded calculation : If MSTR's NAV is 1 or below it means their stock should be worth $0 right?

sl3azebag

!banbet MSTR 160 5 days

sl3azebag

MSTR to 160 next weekkkkk!

ruborrstoc

No problem, I deleted the app. As long as I don't sell, MSTR will be working for me😂

sl3azebag

MSTR to 150 🥰

greyenlightenment

another tiny MSTR btc purchase on monday lol

PaperHandsTheDip

He doesn't have to. Hes got billions in equity in MSTR. All he has gotta do is sell those

ConcernedPen15

I just went full regard and bought MSTR calls, should I KMS?

eoiioe

MSTR will be on life support if 🌽 tanks more over the weekend