MSTR

Jehoopaloopa

Everything can go up except MSTR. GL

FutureSage

Just bought some cheap OTM calls for next week on GOOGL and RDDT then bought some calls on MSTR for this week.. Hopefully there is a rebound on the way, or Christmas is CANCELLED!

boringtired

I’ve held BTC a long time and will continue to do so and afaik all the BTC maxi’s agree, we’re not sure why anyone but a boomer would hodl MSTR when you can just own BTC. It’s like having the option of having pure cocaine and you could have your cocaine cut with some shit you don’t know (that would be like whatever the fuck it is MSTR does besides own BTC). Idk, anyways will see. If it does go bananas, like $1,000,000/coin which I definitely see happening, doesn’t MSTR survive?

Prudent-Corgi3793

Puts and calls don’t work even if the underlying stock is garbage, using MSTR as an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/s/APZmlauIag

Traditional_Honey108

what is the MSTR-corn liquidation price exactly?

-TrueFacts-

Fuck all this shit - I don't believe in anything anymore! Maybe I should just go all in on MSTR and corn.

AllCapNoBrake

If those regards over at r/Bitcoin & r/MSTR had just bought r/TSLA instead, think of how much better off their mental would be. https://preview.redd.it/ge9u9qb3nf7g1.jpeg?width=32&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4b4feeb063d79e6795b804bc0a9963a5deb3151

Sandvicheater

BTC is a meme security after 15 years it hasn't replaced traditional Fiat currency and it sure as hell hasn't replaced debit card. That being said MSTR is also by extension a meme company buying the underlying BTC meme security. And as anybody whose gone bull or bear on meme security the markets can remain illogically regarded longer than you can remain solvent.

trulyhighlyregarded

MSTR -10% come on, we can do it!

mathewgilson

Ever heard of MSTR

BigBlackAssEater

There is nothing i want to see more than a cratering to the Earth's core of MSTR. Purely for entertainment purposes

d33p7r0ubl3

Who was smart enough to buy MSTR puts at 457?

Q_x_Y_z_

MSTR Liquidation when ?

wallStBetModsRGayAF

The MSTR forced hate is clearly evident by how many downvotes I have

wallStBetModsRGayAF

Downvote me for saying MSTR

AllCapNoBrake

I wonder which direction I'll go w/ ibit/BTC/MSTR tomorrow. https://preview.redd.it/yossfhj5ff7g1.jpeg?width=120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6270934150cd84018f34f2f8f2b3427f315132a2

Swimming-Cupcake7041

MSTR is a ponzi scheme on top of a ponzi scheme.

Internal_Field5970

Calls on everything except MSTR

wallStBetModsRGayAF

Lets see how many downvotes I get. Ahem.. MSTR

unclefire

Friggin' MSTR death spiral. Piece of sh\*t.

whoji

MSTR has a PE of 4? Now that's a really absurd PE ratio.

DrestinBlack

MSTR bers r funny

wait_am_i_old_now

MSTR to zero! Someone tell me TSLA is so high?

iThinkiStartedATrend

A week ago I looked at MSTR calls and thought about it. The only reason I’m profitable is because I will absolutely quadruple down and take the first hint of profit

Urzhul

This take isn’t wrong, it’s just framing a trade as if it’s supposed to be a forever company. Yes, MSTR isn’t a software company anymore. Everyone knows that. It’s a leveraged BTC balance sheet. That’s the product. Judging it by “normal company” survivability is missing the point. The whole argument hinges on “eventually the premium goes to zero.” Maybe. But it doesn’t need to stay high forever — it only needs to expand during risk-on BTC cycles, which historically keep happening. That’s when dilution works, BTC/share increases, and the clock resets. This isn’t new. It’s literally how they’ve survived so far. ETFs compress the premium, not automatically kill it. MSTR is not a spot BTC replacement — it’s a high-beta, equity-style proxy with leverage and optionality. Different buyer, different use case. Cash costs are real, but this isn’t a margin account that liquidates on a flat year. It’s a corporate structure with refinancing, deferrals, and time. Plenty of companies with worse fundamentals survive way longer than Reddit timelines predict. If BTC goes down and stays dead for years, sure — MSTR bleeds. But that’s a BTC macro bet, not proof this “dies in ~3 years in most scenarios.

Internal_Field5970

If Google and NVIDIA are at those price targets then MSTR has been long delisted 

ten7four

Price targets to buy on my current watchlist: MSTR =120 IREN = 30 NBIS = 70 CRWV = 65 RKLB = 40 ASTS = 50 GOOGL = 250 NVDA = 150 META = 550 APLD = 15 WULF = 10 Think I should be able to nab at least half of these in the next couple weeks. Then just sit back and hold through any further dips at that point.

trulyhighlyregarded

Imagine having advance knowledge that MSTR is getting delisted

Any_Character_

No, I was shorting MSTR 😍 It’s so easy to short that 💩 company.

Gristle__McThornbody

I need MSTR8 to just start winning again.

trulyhighlyregarded

A slow death is better than a crash if you're holding an inverse ETF. Compound gainz and stuff. That being said, if MSTR could bleed out a bit more slowly, that'd be great. Thanks.

GoZukkYourself

It might be time for MSTR to update their strategy.

All_FIREdUp

Wait, people consider MSTR to be a software/tech company 🫵😂 Who the fuck gave the drive thru guys access to a brokerage

Internal_Field5970

Turns out jerking off and buying bitcoin isn’t a great business strategy for MSTR

greyenlightenment

lol MSTR 163.83 USD −12.62 (7.15%)today

AllCapNoBrake

An updated look into r/Bitcoin & r/MSTR daily discussion threads, rn https://preview.redd.it/hj5ylfsrze7g1.png?width=194&format=png&auto=webp&s=c13ded552a00f332bf58bc31385e3ae5c909b452

Frequent-Hat-5260

MSTR subreddit to start posting soup kitchen locations 

greyenlightenment

BTC going to zero MSTR run out of money

Initial-Zone-8907

let’s all short MSTR

Bababbouey

MSTR is a garbage stock but it will pump randomly 8% at some point

TheoryInttro

Oooh, can we have MSTR 155 by EOD? And 1.55 EOY?

himaalayan

MSTR has PE ratio of 6?

PerfectInAllThings

LMFAO, don't follow MSTR but googled, down like 70% in 6 months 🤣

95Daphne

If this is market related, it's MSTR/Saylor related somehow. I'm sorry to say it (actually probably not sorry) but the likely case is that this coin's cycle top is in. I wouldn't be overly surprised if they try to come after Saylor and I think this coin can fall to the 60's (NOT A SHORT TERM CALL).

LetigiousBoobFart

LOL MSTR bond holders

Initial_Ad_9250

MSTR subreddit gonna be a goldmine

Samjabr

MSTR finnin to go out of business

awetfartruinedmylife

MSTR crashing on the news they bought more internet numbers

clavitopaz

MSTR puts

MariachiArchery

MSTR's leverage isn't that bad. They are about 1.2-1.4x leveraged. Not that bad. mNAV is sitting at 1.12 with BTC at 85k. They can still afford some downside. Now, is the debt and dividends an issue? Yes, but not right now, and not for a few years to come. 2028 is when their debt starts coming due, and will snowball into the 2030's. But, that debt is cheap. Their convertible notes, issued in 2024, that mature in 2029 and 2030, have interest rates lower than 1%. More recent issuances that mature in 2031 and 2032 have slightly higher rates, but they are still really low, .875% and 2.25%. Low. MTSR is fine until 2030, they can tank sideways movement just fine. They have the reserves to cover dividends, even if BTC stays flat. Specifically, they have enough cash on hand to pay dividends until right around the next halving. It's perfect. The next halving will happen mid 2028. This will also coincide with a general election. Both events, historically, will lead to a rally. That is the bet, and they've timed it accordingly. If MSTR has made the right bet, that BTC will rally towards decade end after the next halving, they are perfectly positioned for that. Now, if they get it wrong, yeah... things will unravel quickly. MSTR has positioned themselves to win this bet, and quite well. As for your ETF argument, yeah I'm not sure about that.

Metacog_Drivel

Why didn't Michael Saylor simply sell everything when MSTR hit $543? Is he stupid?

Metacog_Drivel

MSTR held up quite well during the April lows so the fact that it's been so shit lately is actually surprising to me (no position).

Pdubz8

Bought spy calls and sold them within half an hour. Used the scraps to purchase an OTM MSTR put and made my money back plus a little extra. Spent that little extra on Uber Eats, so I basically broke even. This feels sustainable, I should quit my job to be a day trader.

crazyfool319

Every week I ask "Is this the week $MSTR capitulates" let's see

Samjabr

$MSTR might legit be in deep s\*\*t

Brent_in_Aurora

MSTR can sell covered calls.

1M-to-Zero

MSTR, falling knife, wonder at what price they will start liquidating

Scared-Signature-452

I honestly feel like crypto and MSTR investing must be the most stressful thing of all times, maybe derivatives are even worse, IDK

AllCapNoBrake

If you're going to FUD MSTR and BTC, you had better have your facts correct, or sit on the sidelines and watch how it's really done.

csr8765

Port is now 100% short crypto between IBIT ETHA MSTR

himaalayan

Hear me out : MSTR calls

BidenDaPedo

Sucks to own tech right now. BTC is literally crashing and doesn’t show any signs of stopping any time soon. Micro strategy is a good indicator of how things are going with BTC too and MSTR is already down 70% and we haven’t even confirmed the BTC bear market!! It’s gonna be an absolute massacre

Academic_Lock_1699

MSTR bulls sweating profusely

ThisKarmaLimitSucks

MSTR is essentially a levered bitcoin bet... their whole strategy was to offer BTC exposure through their bonds to institutions normally barred from playing BTC. If Bitcoin gets fucked, MSTR gets fucked, that's all there is to it.

twostroke1

lol MSTR down -43% ytd can’t wait for that piece of shit to get investigated for the largest financial scam in history.

Initial_Ad_9250

Feeling frisky MSTR 100 puts

AlarmedPelican

MSTR bulls LMAOOOOOOOO

404MoralsNotFound

At this rate, MSTR $115 by year end.

sNeKbIt99

This MSTR collapse gonna be epic.

entropyweasel

The funny thing that people don't get it that MSTR or any other Treasury is acting as a reserve bank. Yes the very thing Bitcoin is avoiding has developed their own central banking. And the dumb thing is there is not central power to stop it outside of moving to a new coin. So the new Bitcoin central banks have decided that Bitcoin as a deflationary store of wealth is the way forward and decide to limit money supply. So far MSTR has taken 3.5% of the money supply and been a driving force of keeping it high and not crashing. The problem is that they don't have any of the tools of real central banks to ease up or inject supply without taking huge private losses. They are not benefitting from better ecosystem health for lower prices so not incentivized to be a good central bank. Just to make it a profitable central bank. But inevitably other participants will realize they aren't forced to use Bitcoin. It's not a legal tender that can be forced upon them. And they will not use Bitcoin unless it aligns with the central banks strategy of being an appreciating speculative asset. So demand will be limited. And treasuries will be defending their currency as we see now - 20k Bitcoin bought in two weeks. But with investor dilution instead of foreign currency reserves. And we all know the extreme costs and results of central banks who struggle to keep their peg/stronger currency. It's massive and as much as a 50 billion reserve is, they will need multiple times that in dilution to defend it as a central bank. I don't see the slow sideways death as an option. It never is with that type of monetary engineering. The moment they lose their footing on defending the currency the support bottoms out and it goes Zimbabwe. Don't take my word for it. Look at their slowdown in tightening from October and November and the Bitcoin (and mstr) price. They then bought 10k Bitcoin for several billion in the last two weeks in November and stemmed tvs loss. But not really reversing the trend. That's because currency doesn't just get more valuable naturally and central banks are public because their value is to the ecosystem. Private banks could of course try to use their capital for currency policy but they would go broke. Just like MSTR will. They realized how their assets sank when taking their foot off the gas. They are back on the gas now. But they are a hostage. When they can no longer raise capital to buy they are in trouble. They have just a few plays. 1. Aggressively find a central bank to publicly back bitcoin with a currency swap or buying Bitcoin as an asset at a support level. 2. Manipulative price fixing by taking advantage of the relative lack of liquidity and other large players relying on high values. 3. Liquidating some Bitcoin before the whole market tanks and sharing up their balance sheet for the longer haul. They won't be insolvent. But their investors will. I think that 3 is their only sustainable option. And they have already started but diverting some dilution to cash. I think they eventually liquidate despite knowing that it is a negative feedback loop that will crater the price. They will because they can no longer defend and the capability of choosing the timing of a larger crash is a valuable asset compared to bleeding out or waiting for a more natural crash. They can build some cash reserves and attempt to reset the cycle and make a relative profit with that. My prediction is steady declines followed by massive drip followed by a period of manufactured upward volatility from the bottom. As most ponzis go, executive compensation will remain stable.

AllCapNoBrake

If MSTR has 640k and HOOD has 10k, how is HOOD performing against MSTR?

RareEurf

10,000 is peanuts compared to MSTR 640,000. HOOD is a brokerage not a car/ai company with 10k bitcoin on their balance sheet.

Intelligent-Grape-12

Yeah the prompt was “I want to short MSTR”!!

Historical_Stage2622

MSTR didnt follow their mNAV rule so I dont trust BMNR to as well

clavitopaz

If BTC trades below $85k, it’s illegal if you DONT buy MSTR puts

Pavickling

Even if MSTR crashes more eventually, you can still get burned with the EFT. I'd just not play the game if you can't get more direct exposure to cheap covered shorting.

LetigiousBoobFart

MSTR has a PE of just under 8 which is ~ 8x higher than it should be

Samjabr

If MSTR has to sell, it will probably start a cascade. Meh, but I'm just an idiot online who thinks he knows stuff.

CycleApprehensive539

It already is. 50B market cap vs 58B reserve BTC. But I wonder if MSTR is leading the BTC sell off

puffinnbluffin

Does anyone remember the guys username who sold all those naked MSTR calls and capitulated at the top for a massive loss??

Samjabr

MSTR about to be worth less than its corn holdings. GG

PlantingSeeds123

Can MSTR be bought directly through a transfer company instead of brokerage?

Truth_Teller3

MSTR about to find the balrog

AllCapNoBrake

Live look into r/MSTR & r/Bitcoin daily discussion threads rn https://preview.redd.it/9jz38lf0yd7g1.jpeg?width=112&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be6feefbb4fb4087c6f53987d9a2009657e5b399

trulyhighlyregarded

You cannot make this shit up. https://www.reddit.com/r/MSTR/s/EArPPzsSAT

Pavickling

Let's say your thesis is correct. Inverse ETFs are never a good long-term play. They can and have lost 100% of their value in less than a day essentially killing the ETF. This is just the wrong instrument. A deep in-the-money put leap that gets rolled over time has a better chance to work out. MSTR's only real long term hope is if the dollar hyperinflates. Then they will be incredibly well positioned. Implicitly, this is what Saylor is betting on.

cannythecat

Netflix is going to make a great documentary after MSTR goes to zero and Saylor flees the country

JollyManufacturer529

While you are right, that MSTR isnt the smartest investment, would you invest in a 2x daily reverse bitcoin etf over 4 years? If no, then you should close this trade

trulyhighlyregarded

MSTR and BTC are entering a feedback loop of mutual collapse. Love to see it.

Aggressive-Ad-2707

The only good thing about this shit market is seeing POS like MSTR crash hard

trulyhighlyregarded

MSTR lol 🤡🤡🤡

Virtual-Moose5921

Thanks MSTR, breakfast is on you 🍳🥞🥓 https://preview.redd.it/awziaf5dvd7g1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1aa0fb388b601e76ce6448f0317991ab4d5a6e94

Aggressive-Ad-2707

The only good thing about this shit market is seeing POC like MSTR crash hard

Virtual-Moose5921

Hey MSTR, keep dying pls 🇺🇸

Roxorek

MSTR next big stop 130?

DuckTalesOohOoh

I love it. I've been shorting MSTR for a while. Today was a good day.

Bitter_Ad_2500

Login here, first thing I see is an AI DD shit-post about MSTR with only few hundred bucks invested. Some people do go full retard. 

Virtual-Moose5921

MSTR puts 🇺🇸

thaCryptoWizard

MSTR keep drilling to 100$ before year end 🙏

BuildBackRicher

Barron’s wrote a couple articles on MSTR in the last few weeks, so you might want to review those.