MSTR

ryallen23

Lol I was like did this guy throw the whole bag at ORCL and MSTR right at the top? This at least is more reasonable

Burnned_User

Damn and they don’t hold BTC like MSTR

Professional_Con_007

Who bought MSTR at 550?

Iunatic

Can we all agree to sacrifice MSTR to continue the infinite bull market?

Ok_Break_4541

Full bag in MSTR?

SilverPrivateer

It's the MSTR playbook Saylor advised them on this

Frequent-Hat-5260

If you're feeling down just take a breath and remember you are not a MSTR bagholder

Rock_or_Rol

I would sell, personally. Let the dust settle and make good decisions on the chop early next week. BTC could still fall to 83k if you wanted to hold a bit longer, but it could also rebound to 100k. We might get MSTR down another 10%, but I don’t see it falling anymore than that until we test 100k. We’re riding in the middle rn of BTC vwap. I’d definitely bail if BTC sustains 94.5k+. It can light up quick from there.

dire_faol

For it to make sense, you first need to make some assumption on BTC returns. For example, assume BTC will appreciate by 30% per year over any given 7 year period. There exists a market of people who want to buy a dividend stream of 10% per year from Strategy. Strategy puts that capital into BTC, pays out the 10% dividend, and keeps the other 20%. Over time, Strategy also benefits from the exponential growth of their BTC holdings from compounding interest while the dividend stream they pay out is denominated in dollars. People that buy the dividend get low vol watered down returns while people that own MSTR get high vol and amplified returns. To me, it makes perfect sense if you're willing to make that initial assumption on BTC returns. If you think BTC can generate the returns, you probably find this idea intriguing. If you don't, then you think the whole thing is doomed to blow up. The whole thing is basically a binary bet on BTC outperforming the dividend liabilities.

M2dX

For BTC to rise, MSTR must die.

lowguns3

Nasdaq supposed to announce today if MSTR got chopped anybody know when?

Wsbmodisgay

My MSTR shorts are the only thing holding the portfolio green today

Impressive_Trick_573

Yes. ORCL=MSTR of AI

vermilli21

What's everyone's Christmas wish? Mine is MSTR - 150 AMZN - 270 TSLA - Under 400 (But really to 0)

vermilli21

I'm gonna need MSTR to open at 150 Monday please.

pineapplekiwipen

Did you know that MSTR cost QQQ holders over a dollar per share because of the giga dump since inclusion? 🤔🤔🤔

Much-Creme1362

I just want to see MSTR start selling BTC. Is that too much to ask?

Ok_Importance9886

who tf is buying the ORCL and MSTR scam

AllCapNoBrake

You bought r/MSTR at ATH?

John-AtlasGames

MSTR should be falling more given the way this market is today

Internal_Field5970

Delete Crypto, Oracle, MSTR, Tesla, OPEN

vermilli21

All my plays worked outVIX calls for next week ORCL 197.5p 0dte if I get in a good price CVX 1/2/2026 150p IWM AND SPY puts MSTR 182p if the price is right I'm out boys

Fun-Bedroom8820

Spy moving alongside MSTR I’m out see yall Monday

imthesatman

Need to get MSTR into SPY so it can have MSTR, CVNA, TSLA. All the best companies with great fundamentals

Mean_Office_6966

MSTR go!

Intelligent-Grape-12

MSTR to 0

RubMedical488

MSTR falls even when bitcoin goes up though.

elpresidentedeljunta

At this point they should throw out MSTR and include gold in the Nasdaq. I would make more sense for professional investors and protect retail from hard to understand risk.

_WhatchaDoin_

> it's not even close to being directly correlated So MSTR is correlated to what then? Hopium? More seriously, BTC is -1% ytd, and MSTR is -38% ytd. Yes, it seems there is no correlation, but more accurately they are moving in a direction of a stronger correlation, MSTR used to be ~2x of BTC (so the underperformance is just rebasing this 2x to 1.15x).

iratezero

Generally risk assets like btc benefit from liquidity, plus the dollar should decline with most other economies hiking rates while we’re cutting. It’s never that ez tho I would be careful with MSTR.

sl3azebag

curious as to how BTC will react? thoughts? If its uppies I'll ride MSTR to the moon even though i hate the stock.

Therex26

Some guy on here told me 250 MSTR PUTS are basically money printers. BANG BANG TIL MICHAEL SAYLOR BRAINS HANG. Gang.

Leading_World_3813

🙏 I’ve tried to apply this pattern elsewhere but based on my testing, I have concluded that this edge lives almost exclusively with TSLA. I’ve tested this overnight logic on the usual high-volume suspects like NVDA, AMD, AAPL, META, SMCI, COIN, and MSTR. What I found after running the same backtesting on them for 2023 through 2025 were overall mixed results. NVDA had a brief hot streak in late 2023 where it worked okay (maybe a 58% to 60% hit rate), but that edge evaporated once the stock shifted to trending hard instead of mean reverting. SMCI and MSTR definitely show flashes because they act like mini TSLAs on steroids, but the risk reward is terrible because when I was wrong, the gaps were absolutely brutal. AAPL, AMD, and META were basically coin flips; they had no reliable, repeatable edge. The key here is that the core pattern ("red day plus green overnight" which means the next day tends to run green) actually works on options with any expiry, but the risk, reward, and practicality change dramatically. None of the stocks I mentioned have true daily 0DTE (Monday through Friday expiry). All of them have weekly expirations (Fridays), so I can only trade (simulate) 0DTE on Fridays and 1DTE on Thursdays (next day expiry). I specifically use 0DTE/1DTE options because they have the maximum Theta and Gamma, which lets me either: SELL puts on the bullish setup (Red Day + Green Overnight) to harvest maximum premium as the stock runs, or BUY puts on the bearish setup (Double Green) to get massive leverage on the fade (although I don’t buy puts much). Ultimately, the pattern seems to rely on a specific, perfect convergence of three things: insane retail/options gamma, "Elon level" news volatility, and thin overnight liquidity that causes the pre market crowd to massively over position themselves. TSLA is the only unicorn where all three line up consistently. Every other stock I tested was either too efficient, too slow, or the blow ups were too savage to make the long term risk reward worthwhile. I’m still looking/waiting for another stock that ever ended up with that same perfect storm of degeneracy to establish the trade card to game it.

Alwaysfavoriteasian

How are my BMNR and MSTR calls doing?

vermilli21

Plays I’m doing tomorrow so you guys can inverse me if you want. VIX calls for next week ORCL 197.5p 0dte if I get in a good price CVX 1/2/2026 150p IWM AND SPY puts MSTR 182p if the price is right MSFT 0dte calls

Hungry_Mission_3933

The bull case for MSTR is less about valuation or timing BTC. It's a monetary thesis. Management is deliberately choosing to hold BTC instead of large cash balances, based on the belief that fiat currencies lose purchasing power over time. From that perspective, the strategy only works if BTC ultimately behaves as a long-term store of value. If that assumption holds, the approach makes sense; if it doesn’t, then no amount of traditional valuation analysis will make it compelling.

Alwaysfavoriteasian

Hows my BMNR and MSTR calls looking for tomrrow?

Tricky_Let2806

Is MSTR low-key the move, with everyone on Reddit having a hate boner for it? I mean I agree, the this is one of those anti-hivemind type trades

SuspiciousStable9649

What did Cinderella do when she got to MSTR?

GhostReddit

Sounds like there's room in the market for a new index without the shysters. Shit like MSTR and CVNA have no place in 401ks

Phuffu

Bitcoin has no real value and there are no fundamentals backing up MSTR’s share price. It could be a tool for speculation, but what isn’t in 2025?

greyenlightenment

MSTR cannot even get a break. Market recovered all its losses and MSTR just treading water

Slightlybadpicks

Bro it’s means bitcoin lol. We call it corn here. Some of the associated plays are MARA, MSTR etc

greyenlightenment

MSTR is acting like it about to run out of money. -60% in a bull market

mustachechap

loaded up on MSTR this morning. Are people still buying this one?

mustachechap

my MSTR also appear pretty good rn

_WhatchaDoin_

I am a tad confused by the BTC leverage part. That’s how people present it. But MSTR is worth its BTC ownership minus its expenses (debt, dividends). MSTR is not a 3x performance of its BTC. mNAV should be 1.0 (or even quite below due to the expenses below), and not 2x or 3x. And so far, it has been losing that game by dropping to 1.15 (from 2.5 or so). Earlier it may have been true that when BTC went up by 1%, MSTR would go up by 2-3%, but this is not the case anymore. Speculators are leaving the boat after major losses, and you get the actual value (towards 1:1). There is not much leverage for the end user anymore. The debt/dividend composent is just an additional cost of doing business, it is not much of a leverage anymore.

totally_possible

\> MSTR is a pure hedge on bitcoin. Bitcoin goes up you do well; Bitcoin goes down you do poorly. isn't that the opposite of a hedge?

vermilli21

MSTR puts at close

Beloved_Mango

MSTR hits 200 tomorrow

VampireDoggo

Caught the MSTR bottom of the day but only put in 1.5k😭 if only I full ported

Pretty_Ad_7885

Why does NVDA chart look exactly the same as MSTR today?

wiisports101

Maybe MSTR really is the friends we made along the way

Successful-Tea-5733

The 2 could not be more dissilimar. MSTR is a pure hedge on bitcoin. Bitcoin goes up you do well; Bitcoin goes down you do poorly. TSLA is a technology company that also builds cars. Their cars aren't the path to future earnings, the cars are simply a component. Automation and robotics are the source of TSLA's value. There's also his other companies like Boring Co that is building a tunnel in Nashville that will be used exclusivelt by TSLA vehicles.

Technical_Cry_5878

The bull case for MSTR is basically that it’s leveraged Bitcoin exposure in a corporate wrapper. Saylor issues equity/convertible debt, buys more BTC, and if Bitcoin keeps rising long-term, MSTR’s stock should outperform BTC itself. Bulls treat it like a high-beta BTC proxy, not a software company. The legacy software business just helps keep the lights on. Dilution is seen as a positive only if BTC goes up, which is why traditional valuation metrics don’t really apply here. This is the same angle stock newsletters like Ian King Strategic Fortunes often highlight: if you believe in multi-year BTC appreciation, MSTR amplifies it. If you don’t, the whole structure looks extremely risky. So the bull case is simple: BTC goes up, then MSTR goes up more. If that premise fails, nothing else in the strategy saves it.

AMX_revue

MSTR not dropping much is surprising 😃

Much-Creme1362

If you want a stock that climbs 1X when bitcoin climbs and falls 2X when bitcoin falls you should look into MSTR.

TimeForGrass

They own 3.5% of all bitcoin, so if MSTR price dips and they start to look at selling, it'll crash the bitcoin price. Therefore all bitcoin holders must bail them out for the sake of their BTC bags, or maybe let MSTR sell so they can buy cheaper bitcoin and accumulate. Who knows. 

AMX_revue

MSTR 170 eod

Brawmethius

I mean you can find transcripts where Saylor and their CFO go into very explicit detail on how they are setting up the finances, why they are doing different tickers, etc. In short MSTR stock buyers and retail option gamblers are the product here. And big boys giving Saylor big money to extract from the casino. It honestly is a great read, some of it is very clever. But my general walk away was hmm apparently you can run a ponzi and setup your finances to be against the interests of the investor as long as you up front say thats what your business model is?

Brawmethius

Because dividend aide is preffered and takes priority over MSTR holders. With better yield than similar risk assets. Then many fund buyers are doing CBA and the short and short is they are buying the dirt cheap collateral to take price neutral dealing on the option market. So the bug boys are literally paying Saylor to setup tables in his casino. And retail gambling in its highly volatile option market (and mainly losing lmao) are the target product. Saylor himself goes in depth on how he has setup this financial system for some reason MSTR tards dont want to literally hear it from Saylor himself. Idk.

LogisticsGod

How tf does Michael Saylor get so much money? Like who tf looks at MSTR and says, yes let me give you billions more?!

Samjabr

https://preview.redd.it/wxthmu4prl6g1.jpeg?width=1260&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=598c7880cf75b92e24e9d3b0ebc54645465d67c3 CNBC analyst projections for MSTR 💩

Numerous_Big_3680

The difference is MSTR gives you leveraged bitcoin exposure without having to deal with crypto exchanges or wallets. Plus they're basically a bitcoin ETF that can also issue debt to buy more bitcoin when it dips Some people see that as genius, others see it as exactly what you described - a house of cards waiting to collapse

Skid-Vicious

MSTR speed run to $150

vermilli21

Be nice if MSTR creates a new 52 low before Christmas

Samjabr

so glad I closed those MSTR puts...

Wsbmodisgay

I should have shorted MSTR harder at 198 yesterday

sck178

LOL! Bitcoin is dying... And more importantly so is MSTR

thaCryptoWizard

!banbet MSTR 160 21D

luv2block

Totally conspiracy hat, but I think anything tied to Trump is going down. Crypto is getting taken down as we speak (shit coins + MSTR for sure). And we've had a big "is AI a ponzi?" narrative pushed hard for the past couple months. I think anyone who is deeply in bed with Trump is now getting taken down by the powers that be. Just a theory.

sl3azebag

So SPY calls? Or MSTR and ORCL puts?

FreshMix4305

MSTR puts time

FutureSage

MSTR needs a -10% day plz

Stock_Try_8612

MSTR let me down

kalakesri

that's MSTR

No_Skirt_4689

I just want MSTR to go insolvent

spellbadgrammargood

fuck i sold my MSTR puts early..

Ok-Jellyfish1961

That's why I invested in SMST, a MSTR 2x levered short etf!

sl3azebag

Started a new degenerate account with $1k to practice trading with smaller capital. What are some good scalps/shorts to ride for tomorrow. Was thinking MSTR and ORCL for obvious reasons, maybe SPY as well?

wtqerporn

Does anybody know if u/ElonILov3you is alive? He made 1M from 1k on MSTR calls and lost it all in 2 days. Nobody has heard from him once. It's the anniversary of the 1M loss.

gkdjsl

I don't understand why anybody would dump in this market, we've got such trustworthy and salt of the earth companies like PLTR, MSTR, CVNA and ORCL showing us the path to a brighter future every day

dataCollector42069

My Goldman Sachs up over $100 since I bought it. I am so glad I hardly degen anymore except when its to short MSTR or futures trade

Uh-changed_mane

Took calls on MSTR after the rate cut decision and it’s not looking good for me either

d33p7r0ubl3

That’s actively managed. QQQ added MSTR so don’t think SP Global wouldn’t do if it were to rip again

1M-to-Zero

So PoS MSTR continue to tank tomorrow with BTC?.

LargeSinkholesInNYC

MSTR is a buy at $15.

killerdrgn

I got MSTR puts yesterday, and was able to close out for a nice 65% gain after the Fed meeting. So not all puts were fucked.

FutureSage

I bought puts on MSTR and Reddit and the Tendy Gods laughed in my face and sent a green dildo to fuck me sideways.

AllCapNoBrake

Thankfully Buttcoin and MSTR will continue to not catch the bid. L F G to $0!!!

AllCapNoBrake

r/MSTR & r/Bitcoin rn https://preview.redd.it/hybqrbzfxf6g1.png?width=194&format=png&auto=webp&s=a27e927b38ed12c1e0eeacd7440876bb95ee1825

SparrowhawkInter

I appreciate the comment! I think the nature of these treasury companies is huge volatility, both up and down. I think both MSTR and BMNR will make insane recoveries as Bitcoin reaches 250K USD in 2026. They have quite simple business models, allocate capital, stake ETH, yield on BTC and buy constantly, and if their underlying moves up, they'll be very well positioned in the long run, is my opinion. Have not experienced anything out of the ordinary yet, looks great, both of them.

sallyrideee

MSTR red lol

Truth_Teller3

MSTR down 52% on 6 months https://preview.redd.it/91n8rx6jpf6g1.jpeg?width=867&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03c8aa4b2e9b75bbc74efae45cfa1b43a235906a Quite the strategy

indyyo1

!banbet. You got this MSTR

Beloved_Mango

MSTR closes above 200 change my mind

RIP_Soulja_Slim

I mean, that's a slight mischaracterization. Yes it's true that companies need to be voted in - but that requirement really only exists to provide one last check that ensures a given corporate entity doesn't make it in the S&P unless it's actually a company that operates a business. For instance, Microstrategy (MSTR) is a corporation with a market cap large enough to be included in the S&P. Right now it's not technically profitable, which keeps it out, but if/when that changes it would meet all of the S&P's technical requirements. And yet, it will almost certainly not be let in - because it's not a business, it's just a public corporate shell that exists to buy and hold bitcoin. So that's really the reason the committee exists, just to ensure the companies being included are actually fitting the intended purpose of the S&P 500 index.

The_real_Covfefe-19

The market is tumbling? SPX is sitting at 6,845, lol. The only thing that's been tumbling is LLY and MSTR.

TomatoSpecialist6879

MSTR

Training_Froyo_4157

BTC: runs from 91,600 to 92,500 MSTR: flat BTC: slightly drops from 91600 to 91300 MSTR: dumps 2 points