MSTR

sl3azebag

MSTR to 150 and ill post to r/ratemycock

PaperHandsTheDip

You can also buy IBIT & other crypto ETFs which are not exposed to the same risks MSTR is. MSTR is essentially leveraging debt to buy crypto. If it goes down you're cooked. Just buy IBIT if you want crypto exposure in your TFSA

infiniteszef

No, that had nothing to do with BTC, they bought converts, then immediately shorted the stock (convertible bond arbitrage). In case they ever converted, they would just dump them on the market and exit the position. Anyways that was the play back when they used to issue converts. Now they stopped issuing them and focus exclusively on preferred stocks. I am assuming that it got too risky for MSTR as bonds need to be paid back at some point, while the prefs do not - the narrative quickly shifted from "look how great these bonds are, we get money for 0% interest" to "we have these great prefs that give you exposure to BTC without the volatility". And they said multiple times that they do not plan on issuing any more converts.

Miserable-Dot-9291

Just an fyi... to break even at 50% loss, the investment has to double at this point. So, you need MSTR to go up more than 100% just to break even at this point.

mrmrmrj

What fundamental basis would anyone use to evaluate $MSTR that is different?

Hamachiman

I guess it’s just me, but after completely disregarding MSTR for the past year+ I bought some yesterday. Seems the market cap is finally in line with the BTC hodlings.

EnginrA

Like MSTR?

Myssz

in what fucking world is it bottom right now? MSTR can easily drop fucking 500% and still be overvalued.

Lopsided-Magician-36

Easy saylors net worth is in MSTR shares. He’s about to sell a quarter billion worth of shares. He’s doesn’t give a fuck if bitcoin goes up or down. As long as his shares are able to be sold he’ll make money whether the company fails or not. Yall really got saylor’d

stumblios

Saylor (MicroStrategy CEO, one of the largest Bitcoin holders) also posted a meme of him alone on a life raft, with a boat behind him going down in flames labeled with the MSTR ticker on it. Kind of hilarious optics for one of the people whose wealth is most closely tied to bitcoins success. I wonder what drugs he was on when he posted that.

thetaFAANG

I actually lost 50,000 reddit karma foreseeing this to MSTR bagholders

TomatoSpecialist6879

You talking about that MSTR guy right? Didn't that dude end up recovering to 40k or some shit and nope out immediately

qaswexort

GOOG was the forbidden fruit Next comes NVDA, then PLTR, then MSTR

Puzzled-Question-156

MSTR shareholders are being diluted to pump everyone else's crypto🤣 Why on earth would anyone hold this?

skymagic

legit scared I missed the generational manupulated MSTR dip 🥹

Gunzberg

I've had to roll MSTR to June 2026 (June!!!) just to avoid a loss today

sl3azebag

if MSTR bounces next week, i’m cheating on my girlfriend. If It drops, I cheat on her, but as a celebration!

GoZukkYourself

Fellas, you're hitting your waifu pillow from the back, and she turns around and says, "Buy MSTR calls.". WDYD 🤔

Cracked_Tendies

No dude. Stop that shit. Sell all your MSTR and just buy VT to shield yourself from your own damn ignorance

lavenderviking

At this rate you’d be lucky to have MSTR @ 300 if BTC hits $200K

UnfunnyTroll

You forgot MSTR

sl3azebag

people keep coping about BRC and MSTR, must mean it’ll be headed down further

Happy_Discussion_536

>Is there any bullshit scam you won't simp for? u/pmotiveforce I'm just telling the truth. Microstrategy is not leveraging in a way that would put BTC at risk in the event of a black swan. Preferred equity and debt are not the same thing. I don't advocate for MSTR, I just hold BTC only. But truth and facts matters. If you consider that simping and it contradicts what you say, maybe you should reflect on the possibility you're the one scamming and harming people. Just to clarify, scams I am definitely against: * Quantum vaporware * Oil companies * Auto companies * Airlines * Memes in general like glorified helicopters posing as futuristic taxis. * Small caps as a whole * Terrible bearish scams like TMV, holding cash or buying puts.

PepperDogger

Aren't MSTR's balls are in a vice with their leverage? They can't sell BTC to unlever because it'll create a vicious cycle, and ain't nobody coming to bail them out with a negative NAV. A greater fool better come along quick to buy BTC, or there's going to be some pain. -33% in a month may be the best month they'll have for a while. And do bagholders think Saylor is going to suffer with them?

_CryptoAlpha_

MSTR went up 800% after IBIT launched so I don’t think that argument holds any weight. I think the premium is contracting because investors are expecting a Bitcoin bear market.

Send_Lawyers

I made 5k today on iBit and MSTR puts. It’s time for a cigar Partagas series P #2. Dalmore cigar malt. Hey siri play Black Friday by Stealy Dan. I’m gonna get drunk.

PaperHandsTheDip

Historically it traded at a premium as there were really no other ways to gain exposure to crypto for most people. Now things like IBIT exist it doesn't make sense for those premiums to exist. MSTR is higher risk so the premiums should really be negaive, not positive. Market is correctly pricing that in now

PritchettsClosets

MSTZ a better play. MSTR is FINALLY "trading in line" with the price of BTC. So it's FINALLY "close to being fairly valued" Not an amazing short entry unless you think BTC is going down.

Gorm_the_Old

Serious answer: because for several years, MSTR was the only way for boring investment funds that had limitations on what they could hold, like mutual funds, to gain access to crypto. That led to a massive premium over their book value, since so many investors with otherwise limited options could only buy "crypto treasury" stocks like MSTR. That in turn made it a leveraged play on crypto, which attracted even more investors. But now crypto ETFs and futures exist, and even leveraged crypto ETFs exist, so there's no more reason to hold MSTR. It's now just a big pot of BTC with no easy way of converting it into actual coins or cash. It's a gigantic executive compensation fund for Saylor and friends, and investors are figuring out that there's no good reason to hodl it.

pontata777

You won a bet one time and you’re trying to get that dopamine again. Take the 50K that you are up and stop gambling. Or, be a degenerate and lose it all buying MSTR calls.

Snoo-30340

Bers get triggered when they hear MSTR but this will be a $500 stock year end

fnoguei1

MSTR severely oversold right now. Once the RSI touches 19 im loading up 🤑🤑

snek-jazz

You'll never guess who the biggest MSTR shareholder is.

ProfessionalOkra29

The dream would be for cryptobros to move their capital to stocks so both my calls and MSTR puts print

FnAardvark

They clearly don't, considering the entire thread is people assuming MSTR sold a bunch of bitcoin. I guess they'll figure it out Monday when they announce that they purchased more.

docherino

I know just giving an example. MSTR isnt like a leveraged ETF where they get liquidated if it hits a certain price. They are structured in a way where they are betting that Bitcoin appreciates at least over 11% on average for the next 4 years

Sryzon

MSTR is mostly just a way for institutions that are normally limited to holding bonds to get exposure to BTC. They buy convertible bonds. The convertible bonds have value because they can be converted to shares. The shares have value because of the mNav of MSTR.

PaperHandsTheDip

Then buy IBIT. It's a 100x better option over MSTR if you believe in the long term longevity of BTC. MSTR has is leveraged exposure. If investors stop giving them money OR if BTC goes down MSTR is fucked. IBIT would be fine if BTC goes down tho

sl3azebag

MSTR had its dead cat bounce on oct 3. Now, it goes to $150

Milksteak_Sandwich

In Canada I can buy MSTR through my Tax Free Savings Account, which is a benefit if you believe in Bitcoin.

Cockballzz

Can a regard please confirm my regarded calculation : If MSTR's NAV is 1 or below it means their stock should be worth $0 right?

sl3azebag

!banbet MSTR 160 5 days

sl3azebag

MSTR to 160 next weekkkkk!

ruborrstoc

No problem, I deleted the app. As long as I don't sell, MSTR will be working for me😂

sl3azebag

MSTR to 150 🥰

greyenlightenment

another tiny MSTR btc purchase on monday lol

PaperHandsTheDip

He doesn't have to. Hes got billions in equity in MSTR. All he has gotta do is sell those

ConcernedPen15

I just went full regard and bought MSTR calls, should I KMS?

eoiioe

MSTR will be on life support if 🌽 tanks more over the weekend

whatsgoingonhonestly

#imagine when we get to watch the MSTR tards go under when Saylor gets margin called😈

TonyStarks81

Holding MSTR options over the weekend is like being part of a 24/7 market. Keep the casino open!!!

AllCapNoBrake

BTC & MSTR Bag Holders rn https://preview.redd.it/a5zyl4eaca1g1.png?width=194&format=png&auto=webp&s=0679148079187c98583307c51ed0a144c07eb9c6

pmotiveforce

Damn I should have used that brief period where MSTR was up to buy some more MSTZ calls.

Livid-Comedian-8528

Last chance to short MSTR over 200

Suspended-Again

Agreed - MSTR only took 24 years to recover from its last ATH (in 2000) and it’s around the same level now so OP’s heirs will probably be fine so long as they’re patient. 

GneissFrog

along with r/MSTR members who claim the boat represents fiat ... lol

zeusbox

So 🌽 is dumping bigly but MSTR isn't?

greyenlightenment

MSTR ...going to zero like lehman

Letsmovethemarket

MSTR is why BTC is down. It doesn’t make any sense why someone buys this stock and not BTC.

Shiz_in_my_pants

MSTR bagholder gang checking in 🥲

TonyStarks81

You are a retard. I bought MSTR $240c for next Friday. We are the same.

LazerBurken

I would be real worried if I were a loan giver to MSTR rn.

reddsht

Yet.. one day Ponzi bro CEO is gonna move to Dubai to start a new life, while having forgot where he put the usb stick with all of MSTR's bitcoin.

banff_lover

OP, here is my story. In 2020 I bought MSTR at 75 30% of my portfolio ( pre 1:10 split) when I was chasing momentum and didn’t understanding NAV. But I kept on DCA because there was nothing else I could do. It went down to 15 and I lost all hope because by the time it was 70% of my portfolio. Finally sold in 2024 Sep for 900% gain. Patience and not listening to doom sayers did pay off. I’m not in MSTR now. But I would jump back when BTC gets out of bear market.

AllCapNoBrake

Guys, if you go over to r/Bitcoin or r/MSTR, this is what their daily general discussion chat looks like https://preview.redd.it/urq1my35y91g1.png?width=451&format=png&auto=webp&s=48a20e19fc9e312d40747006a0e8ba9f8644be1f

bernheavy

Someone postet a Screenshot of MSTR selling bitcoin. Good luck!

greatthebob38

Saylor himself post a picture of him paddling away from MSTR holders. That really instills confidence in the company.

infiniteszef

Sure, in '00 markets rewarded holders of MSTR with 20 years of losses. This time it might be just 15, who knows lol

DankMemesNQuickNuts

He just transferred 47k bitcoin from MSTR wallets to other wallets this morning for undisclosed reasons lol im pretty sure he's getting his bugout bag ready as we speak

zedk47

At this rate MSTR will have a NAV < BTC holdings

sl3azebag

MSTR to 160 next week

EmergencyFair6786

I always figured there was some sick arbitrage play. Go long BTC and short MSTR

sl3azebag

could MSTR hit 150 next week?

Xzlk

Holy fuck MSTR is actually cooked

groovur

Any more room left to keep selling MSTR calls? Seems like the bear market is well underway and it could drop to $150

Phantom01001

At this speed, MSTR hits $100 soon, I’ll sell my panties for calls.

caeru1ean

If you thought MSTR was ever a good investment, I have a bridge to sell you…

scoofy

I keep fucking thinking $MNST is $MSTR... I'd admit I'm an idiot, but I'm obviously right. MSTR should be Monster Energy. MNST should be [Manster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manster). MICST should be Microstrategy and should have five letters because it's dumb.

Significant-Raise-45

with MSTR you get the crypto exposure and also the benefits of all the financial services and products they create like the new 10% dividend yield products and others, for good or bad

Holiday_Chemistry873

If you told me two weeks ago i would have agreed with you. Right now you can have access to the asset (btc) by buying the stock for a discount (<1 mNAV) I still think that all of those companies are garbage that can only be alive during peak bull market euphoria. Except maybe for MSTR for the reason above

Not_Campo2

Just closed out a bunch of SMST calls for +200% so MSTR will probably keep tanking

Obelisk_810

Wait MSTR is up 900% since 2023 how you can loose money ??

ThatGuyFrmBoston

Tell that to MSTR CEO , that regard keeps buying crypto , not sure what the company actually does

EEng232

Never heard of anyone being scammed out of their MSTR stock….

AllCapNoBrake

Saylor himself said that VERY SAME THING at a small Q/A session w/ shareholders. He said to buy the asset, unless you had read the several hundred pages of MSTR disclosures.

CockBlockingLawyer

Apparently MSTR is now worth less than the corn it owns, which either means it’s slightly undervalued or that the house of cards is crumbling down

AllCapNoBrake

Saylor himself at a share holders meeting (1-2 years ago) literally stood there and told the audience (a guy stood up and asked why MSTR has been outperforming BTC) they'd be better off buying BTC because they hadn't read several hundred pages of disclosures. THAT was Saylor defense when he's been/will be sued. "Hey, I advised these people to buy the underlying asset and not my equity and here's me saying it on video." I'm not sure he was creating his legal defense in that moment, but it will still work as one.

pcase

Anyone who ever worked at MSTR and met him can explain to you why.... he has a God Complex.

PaperHandsTheDip

If I wanted crypto exposure I'd just buy crypto. Why MSTR?

092Casey

Don't be sticking your wangs in hornets nests like MSTR lol

greyenlightenment

MSTR going to $100. soon to be underwater overall

Dumbest_Degenerate

If we get a BTC rebound, it should do okay. Alt season with rate cuts might give it much better price action but what’s the argument for MSTR over BTC at this point

TomatoSpecialist6879

That's literally a screenshot of MSTR's wallet changes just 8 hours ago you fucking retarded bot [https://intel.arkm.com/explorer/entity/microstrategy](https://intel.arkm.com/explorer/entity/microstrategy) "They aren't selling" 🤣

ProofByVerbosity

Oh MSTR is a scam of sorts, I agree with that. But I can't get behind the tired BTC is a ponzi parroting any longer.

Competitive_Ride

MSTR liquidation when

Donsaholic

I bought 20 puts at $1.27 and sold this morning at $13.05. Thank you MSTR, I was a bagholder for half a year because I bought in when it peaked at 500+ last year. I diamond handed that bitch when it dropped to the 200s and sold it earlier this year when it pumped back up to 400 but still took a heavy loss. I finally made all the money back and then some.

daddysgirl794

!banbet MSTR 195 4h

Yeezus_1

Funny how yall talk about MSTR holders when yall gamble your money in options lmao

Hot-Walk-6334

What do you think of buying a small position in MSTR or Bitmine? Definition of asymetric reward, if market goes back to risk on you get big upside. If it doesnt and you cut your losses properly not much of a loss.

lochonx7

does anyone know even what happened to MSTR? like whats with this huge crash