NKLA

lee1026

My main objection is that I think his estimate of post-deal warrants are overestimated. It is only when he included the redeemed warrants do the warrants seem like an especially good deal (average of $1.60 vs $2.70). Problem is, much of the success stories from redemption of warrants are from the SPAC mania of roughly a year ago (NKLA, etc). If you are figuring on an average of $2.7 on post-deal warrants, you might need the SPAC mania to happen again, which is.... tough. Otherwise, you need a fairly high rate of deal completions to justify this. 70 cents for a pre-DA warrant, post deal of $1.6, you need better than 50-50 rate of deal completion, which I feel is ...about right? Remember, many of the deals are going to belong to Klein, Gore, Chamath, etc, whose warrants do NOT trade for 70 cents.

jswats92

If he is too return money then NKLA and Theranos scumbags should be ordered too

SPNKLR

The current NKLA management is quietly turning things around, they’re delivering vehicles and accumulating orders. I’m adding at this price and will hold and wait.

TheRealJehler

Isn’t NKLA the one where the dude rolled the truck down the hill?

theworldisflat14

My two cents-NKLA is a dumpster fire and will be delisted inside of 24 months. Set a reminder!

mathemology

True. What really catches my eye is the $50 trade down to $5 in short order. Usually the pumps of old would hover around $10 on a flop, if purely because of short covering (see: NKLA).

Only_Outcome4297

Sooooo in other words you haven't a clue about either the company or the industry they're operating in.... Tbh, if you want to carry on making zero-meaning statements, that's really up to you. So far you've said nothing which demonstrates that you've got any knowledge of anything, other than how to be belligerent. Do you actually have anything meaningful to say on the actual conversation (which, in case you missed it, is about market potential for $NKLA). Anything you can say which has any information to support your position? For that matter, what exactly is your outlook for them? You haven't said what it is, let alone justified anything. And just to be clear, while the vehicles sent to customer aren't fully homologated, it's normal for OEMs to do this on low volume vehicles in the HGV and transit markets, especially in North America. There are certain categories of vehicle that can't effectively sell until various tests have been completed on prototype registered vehicles in market. Additionally, producing low volumes from a pilot plant is a common thing to do for all OEMs, and for a new company, it's absolutely the right thing to do. It gives them time to settle the processes and production quality before it's transferred onto a quicker tact-time line. I've spent 25 years dealing with this stuff for a bunch of company's that you know well, and you've quite probably driven products that I've had a heavy involvement with. Really, unless you can muster together a technical argument, based on the industry and $NKLA's business and product propositions, then you're just looking like you're more and more out of your depth.

Only_Outcome4297

2 delivered in late December, out of a max non-binding single order of \~100. Critically, that includes ***70 fuel cell vehicles. That's where the expansion potential is.*** Europe and India are moving towards hydrogen far faster than the US. There are no other realistic competitors in market at the moment for heavy duty vehicles with fuel cells. Heavy, long distance vehicles aren't suited to pure BEV drivetrains. But they are very suited to fuel cells with batteries to supplement power demand when required. But of course you knew all of that, right? Production is on what will become a dedicated pilot plant once the expansion of the main facility is finished (this year), to give them a capacity of 2,400 trucks in 2022. The problem is that everyone is stuck on thinking about the Badger, which is a waste of space of a vehicle. Commercial vehicles is where the money is, and they're first to market with a relatively healthy order book. Heavy commercial vehicles are high cost / low volume / high margin - you don't need large orders to make significant profit. Out of all of the recent auto SPACs, $NKLA is one of the few I actually have any hope for.

looseinsteadoflose

It's like the NKLA exit scam right before lockup expiry last year. I can't believe anyone's buying this trash. It's going to $12 by March

looseinsteadoflose

Classic exit scam before lockups expire. Get your puts now. This thing is NKLA in Jan of last year

Languyin

🤡flare at it again, me new favourite thing to short after NKLA got boring

squirdelmouse

Yeah I'm into hydrogen, I wouldn't downplay NKLA Bosch built their hydrogen system using Ceres Power tech, NKLA are just a capital vehicle as far as I can tell. Hyzon do seem to be ahead on deliveries though I agree. Key market is Australia, watch Hyundai as well they're a dark horse on hydrogen.

Only_Outcome4297

Uh huh. That doesn't really explain why $NKLA doesn't have expansion opportunities though.....

JustaLilGain

Not quite as simple as that. That's like saying it went to $5 how much lower can it go? (it can go to zero) HYZN delivered 85 trucks in 2021 and they are several years ahead of NKLA which is basically still in the development stage. HYZN can take trash and turn it into green hydrogen which is the future of motorized vehicles and with them targeting the heavy truck and bus segment they will have a first player advantage. The infrastructure is being built out in other countries to support hydrogen and HYZN has a presence all over the globe - Australia, Asia, Europe, etc. This is a long play for me not a pump and dump like u/Whaleoilbefuked is suggesting. I will have some gain porn later this year to show.

RoPrime12

Yes, there are a lot of opportunities in the market. but if you short, short smartly. Buying ETFs is not smart shorting. ETFs are market cap weighted, so you short the best companies the most (usually the best companies are the most expensive ones. there are exceptions, but mostly). It is better to short frauds (like NKLA) or companies that have unprofitable business models (DASH)- or just extreme overvaluation (OATLY, BYND). With shorting it is important to have proper portfolio management or else you will blow up. Tread cautiously. Also Inflation is a reason to stop shorting (at least lower inflation), as it will give a boost to the earnings of the companies, and increasing the share price.

lotus_bubo

WISH and NKLA are not MSFT.

FullCopy

NKLA is not. They use gravity. You should go balls deep into that one.

TX210Bmann

When’s the last time you have used or seen a blackberry? I don’t understand why people just can’t let a pos product die. I understand screwing the HF to make a profit. But nobody in this thread owns a blackberry or any of its products. So again I ask wtf besides gaining profit. This stock is just like NKLA, the CEO was a fraud yet people are still trying to screw the hedges for doing there job of getting rid of a bs company. EDIT: I understand for profit, but whyyyyy?

redcedar53

How the fuck is NKLA still above $10.00…

lee1026

>Do you not remember all the post-DA pop bagholder posts with people worried and asking what to do? I wasn't around for the SPAC boom, but didn't things like NKLA (admitted a crap company) somehow remain high well beyond de-SPAC? Some people actually want to own NKLA shares, so power be to them.

TSLATrader

GM partnered with NKLA saying they did their due diligence and weeks later NKLA was exposed as a fraud. They sold like 26 electric vehicles in Q4 and stopped all sales of their only “mass produced” electric vehicle- the bolt. GM is a dumpster fire and Mary Barra will be rolling trucks down a hill come 2024. Put your money in Tesla

MP1182

NKLA has ludicrous mode in their cars? NKLA has cars?

kenypowa

"Next Tesla" is what made NKLA, LCID, Nio and now RIVN way overvalued due to many Fomo Sapiens. There is no next Google, next Amazon and next Apple. The next 1 trillion company is not going to be another EV maker. As a very long a TSLA bull and Model 3 owner, I am very impressed with R1T. The build quality is great. The tech is almost on par with Tesla and ahead of everyone else. Rivian has a great product. Still, that doesn't justify its current price. So I will wait when all the FUD and shortsellers drive the stock down to a much lower level before buying in the company.

CHERCK_FLOKI

I made $6000 yesterday buying MARA calls and QQQ puts. I have QQQ puts. I put my money where my mouth is. I'm just mad I didn't buy NKLA yesterday.

Hexys_broken_dreams

Just made 70% on 11p NKLA ez money shorting that pos alllll the way down 👇

CHERCK_FLOKI

NKLA will be $15 by may.

famictech2000

Man the news just keeps coming out... NKLA Jan 26th 2021 hit high of 30+ Imagine where it can be Jan 26th 2022 with all this news! Hold Strong hold Long... Get Rewarded!!

Few_One_6563

NKLA just got approved by California as zero emission vehicle. That make any buyer of the truck eligible for rent $120 000 incentive.

Few_One_6563

Hi guys what about NKLA

PanicAtTheFishIsle

It’s not just AMC… it’s also WISH, CLOVE, CLNE NKLA, PLTR. The c-suit dumping their shares is just the icing on the cake.

CHERCK_FLOKI

NKLA doing 7% is punishment to me for not buying calls when IV was low.

Grouchy-Background81

Hmm NKLA might be the play today

heatnation7

Giving us the perfect opportunity to buy puts. $NKLA always pops and fades.. Bitch loves giving up her gains.

Stonky69McStonkface

Time to sell SPCE and load up on NKLA 🤪🤪🤪

sc2summerloud

the fuck is happening with NKLA

VisualMod

>NIKOLA TRE BEV APPROVED BY CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD AS ZERO-EMISSION VEHICLE $NKLA ^\*Walter ^Bloomberg ^[@DeItaone](http://twitter.com/DeItaone) ^at ^2022-01-13 ^08:02:07 ^EST-0500

_Right_Tackle_

#What is the biggest scam stock on the market and why is it Lucid Motors #NKLA 2.0

Imtheantinoob

Puts are expensive due to the warrant "arbitrage", the disconnect of the warrants compared to the commons. Warrants are $25 while DWAC is around $70. People are shorting the commons and going long on the warrants. This also includes anything else that could give negative delta to offset the positive delta on the warrants like selling calls or puts.. This increases option IV and So just sell a common share short at $70 and long a warrant at $25.. Literally free money right? Sure if your able to hold your short position. But usually this turns into a squeeze as commons continue to march higher while the warrants under perform. If you manage to hold, the short fees evaporates all arb gains. This has happened to NKLA, QS, CHPT, ectra. Play at your own risk. I wouldn't take either side. https://www.specialsituationinvestments.com/2020/06/nikola-capital-structure-arbitrage-26-upside/

milob2016

NKLA PUTS, CLSK CALLS, BCRX PUTS Will be the best decision of your life

TimeToGetTheBread

Every time I look at NKLA I lose a couple braincells

inb4ElonMusk

They at least have functional vehicles (regardless of their other issues) unlike NKLA

GayAsFack

That hill is NKLA’s worst nightmare

PavelSokov

I have been loading up on these too. Just added more. I did this with NKLA's lockup and it was one of my most successful moves ever, but NKLA was a million times worse as a company than Lucid.

RandyChavage

NKLA

redcedar53

I’m still very impressed NKLA is above $10

Facts_About_Cats

I'm saying NKLA is the canary in the coalmine.

Facts_About_Cats

When NKLA finally goes down, the whole market is going down soon after.

-C20H24O3

‘member when NKLA had a bigger market cap than Ford

WombatCum

LCID is the next NKLA

PapaCharlie9

I was close. NKLA's 52-week high/low are 10.88/9.92, so yeah, $.50 being 24 delta makes sense. But try not to trade options on stocks with such a narrow price range. Even for delta-neutral strategies, low risk means low reward.

OptionsClown

Oh man not NKLA gang. Top is in boys

famictech2000

Jan 27th 2021 NKLA reached 30.00+ and with no news whatsoever.... Lets make Jan 27th 2022 even better... 35.00+ with news of future deliveries with many more to come!!

theThirdShake

>Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too close to the money. You want the short leg to be close to 30 delta OTM. Was just looking for some easy numbers for sake of example, but actually the delta is -.24. The put I pulled info from was a weekly on NKLA. Thanks for the tip on delta.

MuzzyIsMe

What companies do you guys think are total smoke and mirrors and will be worthless in a few years? For me, it’s NKLA and also DASH. DASH maybe can survive if some tech giant buys them, but nothing about their operating model is sustainable.

VisualMod

>Press Release: Covenant Logistics Group, Inc. Signs Letter of Intent for 50 Nikola Tre BEVs and FCEVs $NKLA ^\*Walter ^Bloomberg ^[@DeItaone](http://twitter.com/DeItaone) ^at ^2022-01-11 ^08:00:39 ^EST-0500

ajkdd

People knew NKLA is shit and fraud ,but still took almost 10 months to tank completely. GME and AMC are just shit,so it will take a bit more time

gnocchicotti

I'm afraid to check if GM or NKLA has higher market cap right now

USMCHQBN5811

Nah, that was a shit ton on chefs warehouse, then NKLA fuuuuuuucckkkeed me!!

Hopeful_Optimist_

It hit rock bottom today. Price was 3 digits instead of 4. TSLA is the new NKLA. Short it. RIVN to the moon 🚀🚀🚀

lusandar

The entire EV market is in a bubble too. Its short-term share price is not an indicator of long term prosperity for investors. As I'm sure you've heard it's currently market capped at more than the entire industry it's in even though it's making a sliver of the cars manufactured worldwide and it's got a PE ratio of 350 (10x the average which is already incredibly overvalued when compared to market history). I don't think I have to talk about $RIVN or even better yet, $NKLA. One thing $TSLA does have over $GME is that it's actually profitable and it's not just through subsidies from government like a year -maybe two now, ago. In 1998-1999, you were a fool not to own such great tickers as netscape and pets.com because the internet was clearly the future; everyone could see it. Every internet stock was getting huge returns and then in 2020, it all came crashing down because none of them were actually making money; people jumped on the promise of future profit that never came and small retail investors were wiped out left and right and those who avoided FOMO for two whole years flew right past them with their returns. Buying shares in the most volatile stock perhaps of all time isn't safe at all; especially after it has risen 600% last year. When shit goes down people flee the ship as fast as they can and it's everyone for themselves and chances are lots of poor uneducated investors who invested the hard earned 300 USD will be left holding the bag. Maybe this is the start of it now with rising policy rates, the imminent Chinese property development collapse and Omicron, maybe not: no one can't tell the future but eventually, one day, the markets as a whole will make sense again and $GME will be at around $40ish where it belongs now that it has no debt and no chance of bankruptcy anytime soon because of it. As an alternative, a "safe bet" long term would be someone who just buys $SPY. It has little volatility, rises slowly but constantly and pays a small dividend. Most importantly, all the companies within it are making money and if they're not, they'll be replaced in a "short" matter of time. My main point is, just because a stock rose or fell here or there even if it's a few months to a few years means nothing 5-10 years from now. It's the betterment of the fundamentals that will make a stock rise in price last for years to come instead of being transitory.

SPAC-ey-McSpacface

NKLA broke under $10, which is sure to make a handful of people on this board happy.

Phant0mahawk

Hey bulls felt bad seeing you get bloodied so I got some calls in DIS and NKLA, 1 dte calls for SPY. I'll be ghey with you for the day my bbs, the other bears got too worn out from the fun this morning ;)

Phant0mahawk

Hey bulls felt bad seeing you get bloodied so I got some calls in DIS and NKLA, 1 dte calls for SPY. I'll be ghey with you for the day my bbs, the other bears got too worn out from the fun this morning ;)

The_Liberal_Agenda

Why the fuck does NKLA almost make up 5% of their holding?? Lmaooo

AvocadoHefty136

He screwed me, I was holding Fisker while it was in SPAQ form and NKLA cost me hard.

Pancheel

Actually, there was a time when every comment and post was about throwing shit to Trevor Milton and NKLA, it was awesome. Of course you don't know about it 😒

exponentialvoid

In short, buy as much NKLA as possible at these prices. Orders are being placed and there's 700% upside to ATH when it's only 4b market-cap.

formosanboy504

Bring the squeeze to NKLA…it’s primed🚀

sunrise120

Then buy NKLA, WKHS, and RIDE

theGr8Alexander

NKLA will beat Tesla though! Just ask Trevor Milton!

kindlawyer

$NKLA

ReTaRd-of-WallStREeT

Any thoughts on NKLA

chuck_portis

There are mini-bubbles in the market. EV's, green energy, SPAC's, even marijuana. SPAC's and green energy already crashed and burned. Marijuana went boom to bust in 2018. EV's mostly have come back to reality. Look at $QS (down 80%+ from high). $PLUG down 66%. $NKLA down 90%. $TLRY down over 95%. There aren't many Rivians left standing right now. Electric vehicle market valuations are all messed up because of $TSLA. So long as TSLA maintains its absurd valuation, you will get these competitor vapor stocks at stupid valuations. I think TSLA is the most bubbly stock left.

Digedidude

Hm, I am still curious about NKLA. I am reading a lot of good news. History aside, could they perform well this year?

TheIndulgery

Just wait until you hear about NKLA

Snoo-36555

NKLA calls monday?

questioillustro

15x NKLA semi deliveries, yet they're up 4% today and we're down, something fishy going on.

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Stonesword75

HOOD? WISH? NKLA? Not even Superman could save you even if he rewound time

ninkorn

Tesla delivered Super Chargers for their Semi Trucks to the PepsiCo's Frito Lay facility. Actual semi trucks to be delivered later this month. Unlike NKLA

famictech2000

!banbet NKLA 27 4w

jrex035

It's been driving me nuts. Anything EV related is still crazy overpriced while fintech and small/medium cap growth has gotten slaughtered over the last few months. RIVN has a marketcap of $77b and LCID has a marketcap of $68b even though neither has any revenue to speak of and are bleeding cash. Both are worth more than Honda! I mean hell, NKLA still has a market cap of $4.34b for crying out loud

looseinsteadoflose

Ouch. This does reek of exit scam during the SEC investigation. Kinda like when NKLA popped like $40 a share for a week before pulling the rug last year

famictech2000

Anyone looking at NKLA... Last year Jan 26th, it hit a high of +30 dollars. With the news of LOI to purchase more trucks and a lot of the negativity behind them, im thinking another run to 30s is very likely!

tnmoo

NKLA.

aca18

NKLA…. Top squeeze and book closed on Milton/Sec. Orders rolling with recurring production & deliveries. Apes should be all aboard