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BTC price tests $17K on PPI as Bitcoin analysts eye CPI, FOMC catalysts
BTC price tests $17K on PPI as Bitcoin analysts eye CPI, FOMC catalysts
Bitcoin price hits $17K on US PPI as trader warns of 'final capitulation'
Bitcoin price hits $17K on US PPI as trader warns of 'final capitulation'
8:30 am everybody is waiting for this, if you don't you probably don't know what you are doing then.
BTC price wobbles on US PPI as Bitcoin futures open interest hits peak
important upcoming dates to keep an eye on!
Eurozone inflation shows no signs of slowing down. BTC is gaining more attention as investors flee to safer assets.
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We'll probably crab until the jobs numbers come out next week. Then we'll crab until the CPI / PPI data comes out. Then we'll crab until the PCE data comes out. Then we'll crab until the FOMC meeting. Then we'll crab until the next jobs numbers come out... See the pattern here...? Until and unless there's full confidence that a rate cut cycle is underway, we likely won't move much.
You mean other than CPI, PPI, Unemployment, etc all pointing to stagflation as a best case scenario? Riskiest assets are sold first in economic scenarios like these and magic internet money as a speculative asset fits the description.
Can moonboy that defend this scam tell what the excuse now is? War? COVID? Bad CPI? Bad PPI? Hawkish Powell? Good jobnumbers? No rate cuts? Too many rate cuts? Overheated market? Tell me what is the excuse?
? PPI is just a straight up measurement of the prices companies report getting for their products. It's even more straightforward.
Not sure what you mean, Fed looks at PCE and PPI primarily and those are very high quality modern inflation metrics.
After CPI, PPI & the much-awaited rate cuts failed to achieve the desired goal (BTC to 300k EOM) there's still the ultimate bullish amazing October. What comes after October if that doesn't achieve the desired goal either? Then I think all resources for this year will be exhausted. Perhaps the end of the Russia-Ukraine war could also fuel the situation a bit, even if that's very unlikely.
With how BTC has moved against the stock market for the last month since the August PPI report, it seems like investors are trying to scrape together all the liquidity they can to ride the hype of the stock market's rate-cut anticipation before the FOMC meeting this week. If the market gets their wish and rate cuts materialize, there's a terrific chance that liquidity from stocks begin to flow elsewhere looking for the next wave to ride. BTC is a prime target, considering not only its distance from the August ATH but its relative lag compared to the SPY/Nasdaq's growth since then. TL;DR if/when the Fed cuts the rate, it may be a very intense month for crypto's growth.
What are you on about the CPI and PPI numbers were great. Locking in the rate cuts to eventually help stimulate the economy and business cycle.
Ah no the PPI didn't suck? The CPI m/m was just a little bit higher than forecast but not enough to give the impressions of no rate cuts. The market looks bullish because of this. Now, does this mean the rate cut is guaranteed? Nope. Market isn't predictable which is why we need to prepare for any scenario.
Ah no the PPI didn't suck? The CPI m/m was just a little bit higher than forecast but not enough to give the impressions of no rate cuts. The market looks bullish because of this. Now, does this mean the rate cut is guaranteed? Nope. Market isn't predictable which is why we need to prepare for any scenario.
Ah no the PPI didn't suck? The CPI m/m was just a little bit higher than forecast but not enough to give the impressions of no rate cuts. The market looks bullish because of this. Now, does this mean the rate cut is guaranteed? Nope. Market isn't predictable which is why we need to prepare for any scenario.
Markets don’t always move on what’s happening today, they move on what investors expect tomorrow. CPI and PPI look ugly and the economy feels shaky, but big players are betting on what comes next, so if they think the Fed might cut or at least stop hiking, that shift gets priced in early. It is like the 80s when Reagan’s tax cuts and deregulation flipped sentiment and stocks ripped higher despite high inflation and debt, and like 2017 to 2019 when corporate tax cuts gave equities a massive tailwind despite trade war fears. Markets are not reacting to logic in the short term, they are reacting to policy direction and liquidity expectations, and if capital gets cheaper, even from the belief rate cuts are coming, everything with risk attached like stocks, crypto, and real estate gets a bid.
I think we're now ready to pump right up until the FOMC meeting. We survived the PPI & CPI reports and it looks like the market has taken them quite well. Hopefully I'm not wrong.
PPI/CPI done and we're on the way to rate cuts in a BULLISH market. Q4 is about to melt faces, $150k+ EOY, $300k soon 😉
People expected lower cpi after yesterdays PPI . A good excuse to dump
tldr; Bitcoin's price surged to $114,000, its highest since August, driven by U.S. spot Bitcoin ETFs recording $757.1 million in inflows, an eight-week high. September saw $1.39 billion in Bitcoin ETF inflows, influenced by better-than-expected PPI numbers. Analysts suggest capital rotation from Ethereum to Bitcoin ahead of the Fed's rate cut decision. Investors anticipate a quarter-point or potentially larger rate cut, which may be fueling Bitcoin's ETF inflows and price momentum. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.
the CPI will be slain like the PPI. Peace will prevail with grease.
tldr; Bitcoin surged above $114,000 as US Producer Price Index (PPI) data showed inflation cooling sharply in August, fueling speculation of imminent Federal Reserve rate cuts. The PPI dropped to 2.6% year-over-year, below forecasts, and core PPI fell to 2.8%. Historical trends suggest Fed rate cuts lead to short-term turbulence followed by long-term upside for Bitcoin. Onchain metrics like MVRV and Whale Ratio indicate potential volatility but also point to a favorable liquidity backdrop for future Bitcoin growth. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.
“Exactly — the market’s basically on autopilot now. CPI/PPI might shake the tree short term, but the cut is already baked in. Anyone betting otherwise is just late to the party.”
Certainty is already high. After whatever short term action we get on CPI/PPI happens rate cut'll be priced in.
Yes, lower than expected PPI. Chances for rate cuts increased.
Market is responding positively to PPI, wait until CPI tomorrow imo
New PPI 2.6%, expected 3.3%, previous 3.3%
PPI, CPI maybe has short term gains but history shows it dumps a day or so later smh lol
**JUST IN:** 🇺🇸 US PPI falls to 2.6%, lower than expectations. Oh yeH, we're getting rate cuts baby
PPI is even scarier, remember the 0.9%?
We all know what's going to happen today. First slow gradual rise of crypto until perhaps 7.30 ET. Then PPI will be out and no matter what the news is going to be the crypto market will slump. Decline might even start before 8.00 ET due to the front-running. Then more dump from 9.30 ET for more or less two hours. After that small recovery is likely but nothing too major. Tomorrow - rinse and repeat due to CPI. You may ask: if you are so certain, why don't you short it? Well, I don't really do day-trading. But I might start one day because the predictability of well-known patterns is getting ridiculous at this point. Just buy when US markets are about to close and sell when they are about to open. You can't do wrong with that in this garbage of a market.
it's PPI day. Seems like all economic news lead to a dumb regardless now
Normally CPI and PPI should not matter for now. The last years they were so important because they could trigger rate cuts. But we will get rate cuts 100% because of terrible job data.
For 10 days ETH has been stuck between $4,240 and $4,500. Isn't it really rare for it to trade in a pretty right range for this long? Anyway, the crab should end soon as we're getting PPI and CPI today soon - hopefully it's cold or at expectations, because I think even at expectations will be bullish for risk assets as we're avoiding a nasty surprise.
just waiting for the market to react sharply to PPI/CPI data tomorrow and thursday. should be entertaining at the least...hedge your bets
US might de-risk today as it is the last trading day before the PPI tomorrow
Yeah last month we also pumped ahead of the bad PPI print which then erased everything within 1 or 2 days. Hopefully it doesn't repeat tomorrow..
Cpi & PPI are complete nothingburgers. It won’t matter what they’ll be at this point, the FED is way overdue on a rate cut and the labor market is fked if they don’t. I expect any uncertainty by the market to resolve in the coming week or two
Every week there is a ‘reason’ for wallstreet to manipulate the market. Then there is CPI fud, then PPI fud, then job numbers fud, the Powell fud, then economy fud. Always there is something in burgerland. Best thing that would happen is if wallstreet would fuck off from crypto.
Truflation data has trended up this month compared to last and last month's PPI data showed higher services inflation unrelated to tariffs, which my tinfoil hat reading is that prices are trying to be uplifted with the tariff narrative, and consumers might be going along with it.
I'm thinking sideways through the PPI and CPI release. There's a good chance those will be hotter than expected and we'll dump into the netherworld. Nobody wants to buy ahead of that.
We were pumping about a month ago when a September cut looked likely. The problem is every little quirk triggers a sell-off nowadays. Look at how good (bullish structures) so many of the charts were last month, then after Aug. PPI almost all of them reversed and invalidated all of that bullish momentum. A 25bps cut here and there won't be enough. We need a bigger catalyst. And the market is still liquidity-starved so it remains PvP.
I’m just curious as to why people expect a rate cut after the most recent PPI report. Everything is pointing towards inflation increasing rapidly over the next few months with most pre-tariff stockpiles drying up. Are people betting that the tariffs will get rolled back or are they betting that the FED will cut rates even at 5% inflation? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
I agree. This is why I sold half my crypto the day Trump got into office and the other half the day the bad PPI dropped. Dumped it all into my mortgage. Very happy with my choice
Look at PPI numbers. They came in hot. CPI will come in hot for next month. I own few businesses, in differing sectors. My prices from super fry, to a bottle of wine have all gone up or are going up due to tariffs. If a cut DOES happen, will be worst case scenario because inflation is going UP. Either September or October CPI numbers will lead to a 5% down day across the board. Watch
This is my 8th year in crypto, and even I still get emotional around these reactional pump/dumps. But I remember it was way worse when I began As for the announcement, I believe we dumped the week prior due to the US PPI report coming out negative, so markets began 'pricing out' the rate cut as they expected Powell to be Hawkish. However, as we kno,w he signalled that interest rates will be cut in September, which makes me believe that we will rally and have a mini alt season going into mid-September, and when the rate cuts are announced, it will be a 'sell the news' event leading to a massive correction. This is just MY prediction based on my research. We still need some confirmations in the next couple of days that we are flipping resistance into support, otherwise I have 0 clue what happens and will re-evaluate from there As always, HODL and buy the dips, don't get shaken out because when u lose all hope and get scared, is when the bottom is near DM if you want to discuss more, as I'm currently out so I quickly wrote what came to mind
Investing.com got a pretty neat financial calendar for different types of announcements such as CPI, rate announcements, PPI etc
Nothing's confirmed, but of course markets and Bitcoin will react to the news. Just a reminder of important dates that could throw cold water on all of it. August 28th GDP report September 5th jobs report September 10th PPI report September 11th CPI report Then we will finally get to the next FED reserve meeting that will conclude on September 16th where the market as of right now anticipates at least a quarter point rate cut. All the previous dates I mentioned though are very important for gauging market strength and inflation. The FED and Jerome Powell will adjust as they see fit to new economic data and if everything comes back looking bad here over the next month then poof goes the rate cut. Nothing's confirmed and instead it's a constant ever evolving situation that is being evaluated
*old man voice* I remember that day in August 2025, when the PPI data came in. I was there. I'll never forget it.
I put it right there in my comment... > this could all literally turn upwards on a dime if Powell so much as hints that they have shifted their potential outlook based on the new data since their last July 29-30th meeting. Their minutes from that meeting, which happened right before Payroll/CPI/PPI came out and got the markets riled up for a rate cut, outlined how (at the time) they were comfortable enough with job growth that it wasn't worth rate cuts if inflation is still slightly higher than they'd want. After Payroll data came in, it showed job growth missed projections by *hundreds of thousands* of jobs, while CPI came in basically at projections. If Powell's speech hints at the fact that they are currently eyeing rates with the new data in mind, that alone would be enough to relieve the market for at least a good week or two. Then September's Payroll/CPI come in.
C'mon bro that ain't happening. The YoY PPI was lower than it was in February, and goods PPI was the same as January. A vast majority of the "hot" PPI was in the services sector, and most of that (hotel room prices, portfolio management fees, etc.) have nothing to do with tariffs. But I do agree that companies are going to use the tariff narrative to try to wring consumers drier as they did the past five years while widening profit margins. But it remains to be seen how successful they'll be. There are a lot of wealthy people out there -- and especially in the banking industry -- that benefit from higher rates and are pushing the inflation hysteria to justify it.
August CPI will be horrible and there will be no rate cut in september. You can thank orange man and his tariffs for this. July PPI was bad and this will trickle down to CPI for august
I sold my entire altcoin portfolio the day Trump got into office. SOL, my biggest bag, was at $262. The day the PPI dropped, I sold half my BTC. Time to recast the mortgage! I wish you all luck, but I'm afraid this bull run is 100% over.
The FOMC minutes released today are from the July 29th-30th meeting, which came before the August Payroll data / CPI data / PPI data that has been driving the recent swing in rate-cut odds. Not surprising that they were still pretty neutral on rate-cuts last month. Their sentiment last month, precluding all of that new data, shouldn't be surprising to anyone considering rates weren't altered in the month of July.
Well it was a combination of the CPI *and* PPI. After the Payroll Data came out, which not only missed projections but also revised-down the prior 2 months, the markets realized "well sure this sucks, but the FED likes to help stimulate unemployment with rate cuts!" That data bolstered their chances. When CPI came out, it was pretty much in-line with their expectations. The FED has two mandates: Low unemployment and low inflation. If unemployment goes up and inflation is flat, they will probably cut rates to help stimulate things. *HOWEVER*, the PPI data also showed production prices going up much higher than they projected. So higher unemployment + higher inflation = back to square one, where the rates may end up holding steady.
why has everyone turned bearish suddenly? was it the horrendous PPI? we were buzzing a week ago.
I can't say for certain what the "top" signal was... But the day it all started dipping from the PPI, stocks recovered quite well vs. crypto. I sold my ETH that day at about 5% down on the day, but I still am very happy because I ended up selling at 4,520 vs what it is now. IMO, it was quite obvious that the good news yet to come was already priced in and any shaking of the market (the PPI report) would cause a big sell off because the market was driven by pure euphoria. It definitely helped and started with the big institution money of ETFs and stuff, but people were fomo'ing. They're panic selling now.
Well we don’t know if it will actually happen given the most recent PPI, so I’m not sure it’s priced in.
Not if you follow better folks on CT. He called the recent swing up to 124k, though I'm sure he'd be honest about hoping we'd get more out of it, maybe even to 130k. We'd probably still be there if the market didn't dump on that PPI print last week. Anyway, Colin is a good follow. [https://x.com/ColinTCrypto/status/1955729957025423383/photo/1](https://x.com/ColinTCrypto/status/1955729957025423383/photo/1)
Let's hope he will be neutral but considering the PPI print we got, idk man
The markets definitely got ahead of themselves. They completely, almost recklessly priced in rate-cuts from that Payroll Data and were apparently blindsided by hotter CPI than the initial projections around late-July/early-August. After the PPI data also showed cost of production was rising, they've been steadily scaling back the chances of a guaranteed cut. The odds have been steadily trickling down to around 83% now, and the markets have flatlined and/or retreated since the CPI came in. Cuts in September absolutely hinge on what kind of a mixture Payroll + CPI gives us early next month. Worse jobs but flat inflation are probably 100% cuts. Worse jobs but worse inflation is a coin-toss, but probably leaning towards tentative, small cuts. Flat or positive jobs AND worse inflation? Kiss those cuts goodbye.
lol I don't think they're like "lets print a hot PPI number to halt the crypto rally"
You’re right CPI/PPI tend to be contrived numbers. Fortunately you’d be able to dial reinvestment up or down depending on your inflation expectations to always stay ahead of it. BTC will appreciate more there’s no question but the question I was posing is would you tap out and use proceeds to live.
The macro in general looks good. Short term sell off due to PPI ending. Resume up.
That’s why you ensure that if you’re receiving dividends the growth rate is at least keeping up with CPI/PPI
Treasury secretary specifically ruled out purchasing any new crypto for the strategic reserve. Odds of a rate cut have decreased this week following a huge miss on PPI inflation data. With those two blatant lies, I wouldn't trust this source.
Huh? How the chances of rate cut surge when we got PPI off the roof?
Market still reeling from the PPI news. Crypto is presently eating shit. Hopefully we'll bounce back next week.
Bad PPI mixed with some risk-off before trump putin summit. Possible monday pump if news are good
We'll see where this leads by the stock market closing-bell in about 5 hours. It's been sort of floundering the last couple days after that PPI data, including the stock market dipping quickly at opening-bell. Like it or not, Bitcoin/crypto is reliant on the stock market's strength to keep this rally going at these heights right now. We're going to trend with more volatility alongside it, and won't recover until stocks present strength again.
Americans woke up and were like, "Oh yeah, the PPI. Almost forgot about that."
tldr; XRP's market capitalization dropped by nearly $10 billion in a single day, falling from $192.28 billion to $182.73 billion, despite Ripple's recent legal victory. The decline is attributed to newly reported U.S. inflation data, which showed significant increases in the Producer Price Index (PPI) and Consumer Price Index (CPI), sparking concerns about Federal Reserve rate cuts. The broader crypto market also saw declines, with Bitcoin and Solana experiencing notable drops. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.
Yes. It’s the PPI data and the 4% drawdown making people panic. Part of this is due to so called influencers.. they don’t know shjt about anything and bear post in a bull market
did you see the PPI numbers? what are they talking about rate cuts
If I see high PPI data, I buy even more. High PPI means fiat has been devalued again. It just remind me of why I'm saving in BTC.
I own IBIT, but everything has risks. Here are a few of the downsides: \- big honey pot, all the world's theives and hackers will be trying to steal your bitcoin, and they know where to find it \- 0.25% per year fee But the biggest risk is this. The endgame of Triffin's Dilemma is upon us. Look at the latest PPI numbers. Look at the treasury yields. Look at the (non-existent) plan to deal with the debt and deficits. Look at the market reaction when we take steps to weaken the dollar to improve trade imbalances. Look at the break down of spending vs sources of taxes, think about what would happen to tax receipts if we reduced deficits. When the US realizes it has no way out of the debt it has incurred, they may implement capital controls and take whatever buying power they can grab. If your bitcoin is on a centralized exchange, the thief to fear is the US government. There are risks to self-custody as well, don't let these posters fool you. Look how much of it has been lost already. You need to weigh the pros and cons for yourself. Protecting buying power for decades is hard. But bitcoin helps.
I see posts like end of the bull market. People panic selling for PPI data. Screaming for a 4% drawdown.
Two important factors in yesterday's small drop: Bessent's speech, which stated the exclusion of new BTC purchases. And yesterday's PPI data. Don't worry, the game has just begun.
Are you new to crypto? Bearish PPI report just came out
M2 still going up, yes. Deficit spending still out of control, yes. Jobs situation dire, yes. CPI heading lower, yes. A single PPI reading isn’t changing anything. This is an overreaction because people are still scared of this market. Nothing changed today.
I noticed that on the charts. It's so obvious. Hours before the PPI came out everything was dumping. Of course they also had that pump last night to suck people in for that extra exit liquidity.
This isn't a crpyto thing. It's a market thing. The federal reserve controls interest rates. We want lower interest rates because money flows into more speculative assets like crypto alts. The 3 reports we use are the CPI, the PPI, and the PCE. The PCE is the most important. The CPI came out yesterday. This is an indictator of what the PCE might say. It was positive and supported the idea rates would lower. The markets went up. The PPI came out today. It was negative and supported the ideas rate cuts might cause probelms. The markets went down. This shouldn't have a big impact on your long-term decision to hold ETH or XRP.
Serious question - has anyone here actually flipped bearish because of yesterday's PPI data? For me, I think ETH's climb upwards is guaranteed to continue for at least the next week or so, then we might get a dip if powell is hawkish in in his Jackson Hole speech on 22 august, but that probably wont be a massive issue to worry about.
It jumped because of the CPI report. It declined because of the PPI report.
Today was kind of the perfect representation of what can happen in the markets without a rate cut to appease the economy's current woes. The stock market slid (but is apparently invincible) and Crypto dropped 4-5% just on worries that higher PPI is just the first sign that the Fed will leave rates alone. Then we're left with an economy that has growing unemployment, *and* rising inflation. Not a great outlook lol.
I wonder if the CPI and PPI numbers are not accurate as well and the real numbers its actually much much worse.
Wait until the federal reserve rate cuts in September, people are panick selling now because of the PPI data report eliminated the likelihood hood of larger than normal percentage-point cuts.
You don't know what you're talking about. Odds are still at 95% for a rate cut next month even after the PPI report came out. They don't base their decision on one report
because bad PPI and also because it ran a lot so it cant go up forever without taking profits
So THAT'S why we got a red candle of doom today. Nothing to do with PPI after all.
PPI increased to 0.9 from a forecasted 0.2. The largest increase in 3 years because Dickhead Don increased Tariffs again which meant wholesalers are unable to absorb the cost of the new tariffs like they were with the first ones
Since the stock market remains mostly unaffected by that PPI release, i think the timing just lined up with resistance at ATH for both BTC & ETH. That news just accelerated the dump. Back up next week.
These PPI numbers might just give us 25 basis ponts rather than the 50 most wanted
If it would be that easy. With these bad PPI numbers I think we see a sentiment reversal...