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Direxion Daily 20+ Year Treasury Bear 3X Shares
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TLT - Large institutional trades suggest a meaningful low is near.
How screwed am I with my inverse leveraged ETFs?
$TMV 20+ year treasury Bear 3x ETF is up 61% the last 3 months. With inflation and interest rising at this rate I think this might be a good stock to look at. How bad is this recession we’re going into or is it something we can handle ?
If the Fed is going to start to sell treasuries in a few weeks, would that push down prices (TMV)?
To the person who was hating on my TMV earnings moves ->FU - Schnitzel und Kraut
I bought 150 TMV @ $88.10 - these are tripple short long treasury etf.
Getting Back at Inflation: Options on Bond Yield Increases
Teamviewer (TMV) - Pushed down by the German trash magazine "Der Aktionär" and its paying subscribers by means of short certificates.
Teamviewer (TMV) - Pushed down by the German trash magazine "Der Aktionär" and its paying subscribers by means of short certificates.
Teamviewer (TMV) - Pushed down by the German trash magazine "Der Aktionär" and its paying subscribers by means of short certificates.
Looking for cheaper alternative to TMV and TTT Direxion Daily 20+ Year Treasury Bear 3X Shares ETF
Betting against 20+ year treasury bonds is a win-win
How to short treasury bonds
Buy TMV, they will sponsor MUN
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You are short TLT puts for the credit and long TMV calls/TMF puts? This is a big brain trade. Why not just short /ZB futures?
TMF and TMV show 3X returns for only one month.
|Return 1M|Symbol|Return 6M|Return YTD|Return 1Y|Return 5Y|Return 10Y|Return 20Y| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |\-1.59%|[TLT](https://stockanalysis.com/etf/tlt/)|3.73%|4.56%|3.40%|\-34.86%|\-6.85%|82.91%| |\-5.76%|[TMF](https://stockanalysis.com/etf/tmf/)|4.02%|\-2.08%|\-5.68%|\-87.83%|\-77.66%|\-| |6.33%|[TMV](https://stockanalysis.com/etf/tmv/)|\-4.88%|\-4.57%|\-1.09%|199.29%|\-36.62%|\-|
TMV and TLT puts printin' for me. Protip: Watch the ratio chart, TLT/IWM. It'll help. :)
my TMV puts would disagree
>Is there any bullshit scam you won't simp for? u/pmotiveforce I'm just telling the truth. Microstrategy is not leveraging in a way that would put BTC at risk in the event of a black swan. Preferred equity and debt are not the same thing. I don't advocate for MSTR, I just hold BTC only. But truth and facts matters. If you consider that simping and it contradicts what you say, maybe you should reflect on the possibility you're the one scamming and harming people. Just to clarify, scams I am definitely against: * Quantum vaporware * Oil companies * Auto companies * Airlines * Memes in general like glorified helicopters posing as futuristic taxis. * Small caps as a whole * Terrible bearish scams like TMV, holding cash or buying puts.
>Is there any bullshit scam you won't simp for? u/pmotiveforce I'm just telling the truth. Microstrategy is not leveraging in a way that would put BTC at risk in the event of a black swan. Preferred equity and debt are not the same thing. If you consider that simping and it contradicts what you say, maybe you should reflect on the possibility you're the one scamming and harming people. Just to clarify, scams I am definitely against: * Quantum vaporware * Oil companies * Auto companies * Airlines * Memes in general like glorified helicopters posing as futuristic taxis. * Small caps as a whole * Terrible bearish scams like TMV or buying puts.
I approved you original post that got auto-moderated. It's up on the main page now, where eyes with more experience with TMV, or options on leveraged funds in general, may see it.
tin who shorted crypto 4 hours before and made almost $200 000 000 trumps friday post. only one crypto acount.( this was a test) . what if us dc(dollar coin) goes 60/160 to one with bond collapse. Gov bailout of stable coins? they are banked with bonds. Who sold 190k at open and 10.52-11.19 TMV before trumps post It in not just 1 grift. The money is in Bond collapse. Scott Bessent knows a thing or 2 about tanking a company and Howard Lutnick knows bonds ... US BONDS are next 🤷♂️ grift and rug pull. Trump inc. benifits from intrest rate collapse. municipal bonds ext. Trump inc. makes billions on a cripto dump and next US stratigic reserve. this is where the money will be to investigated in 2029. China dumps bonds??? ( helps segnificantly) next on list bond collapse. debt repurchase has nothing to do with the grift. then insiders buy bonds low before restructuring and 20% intrest rates. The banking carnage will be global. Take a seat for the biggest grift in earths history. i wish i knew when to buy in 🤔 I pray i am wrong. It's a circus side show. Better than snake oil.
IBKR advertising TLT on here now. what could go wrong? loading more TMV calls
You have to buy an *inverse* bond fund to move the same direction as changes in yield. An example of this in the extreme would be PFIX or TMV, which basically are shorting bonds, TMV going 3x inverse TLT and PFIX using swaptions on intermediate treasuries.
TMV/tbt has been a great hedge against my Tech aggressive portfolio. Hope it continues...
TMV being so coy and demure like it isn’t about to get sent to Valhalla in 40 hours
pouty poosay poulty about to come on cnbc to scream a racist tirade and send my TMV calls higher
you don’t have TMV calls??
more TMV leaps for me i think
I use a mix of four strategies which I call FANGEtc Momentum (50% of portfolio), Leveraged Crosses (16% of portfolio), FNGU Trends (17% of portfolio), and Leveraged Index (17% of portfolio). FANGEtc Momentum invests in mega-cap stocks based on momentum. Leveraged Crosses invests in UPRO (or in TMF during extremely volatile periods such as the Liberation Day volatility which I consider to be black swan events). Leveraged Index invests in a mix of UPRO, TMV, EURL, and TMF with the proportions based on recent performance. FNGU Trends invests in FNGU (or in TMF during black swan events). I backtested trailing stop loss orders of each whole percent for this FNGU Trends strategy and settled on 52% to avoid catastrophic losses. When a stop loss order is triggered then I wait until FNGU opens back above its 120-day MA (selected after backtesting various options). I sell again if price drops below original stop loss level minus another 3%, buy again when it rises above the MA again, and reset the trailing stop loss floor when a new ATH is reached. My objective in using a high percentage trailing stop loss order on FNGU Trends is to sell while the LETF is dropping during a bear market. If the bear market continues then the MA will follow the price down over several days or weeks so when the bear market ends and the LETF starts to rise again the MA buy price will be substantially below the stop price at which the LETF was sold. Losing 50%+ is painful but not nearly as painful as losing 90% or more. Avoiding that additional 30%+ loss and getting back in for another climb make sense to me. Leveraged Index and Leveraged Crosses do not use stop loss orders. Leveraged Index rebalances into new positions based on recent performance (momentum). Leveraged Crosses moves in and out of UPRO in response to indicators based on moving averages and moves into TMF during black swan events. My goal is maximum long term CAGR so I tolerate losing 50%+ every few years to earn CAGR over 40% in the other years. I have earned 10-year CAGR of over 20% but the first few years were nerve-racking! I've sent a free newsletter sharing the details since 2015. *Always backtest simple rules for when you buy and when you sell before investing. Backtests should deliver strong results for at least 15 years and for each of the last three 5 year periods.*
Lol “if you can”. “The point in the year you invest doesn’t matter”. What am I missing? Not everyone knows how TMV works.
Depends on the year, but for the most part, yes it does. Do a TMV calculation. $7000 thrown in January first will end out ahead of DCA contributions.
guess I'm back on my TMV shit
Far OTM call options on TMV, the -x3 leveraged +20Y treasury bonds. It will basically be like lighting money on fire with a flamethrower but you can get a 100:1 leverage on US debt collapse. The leverage means that volatility decay will constantly eat into the value of the underlying. So TMV decreases over the long term only going up during periods when long term Treasury yields rise heavily. If the US has a true debt crisis then Treasury yields should rise heavily as the market prices in default risk. Long term debt has the highest duration and should feel this the most. No guarantees obviously. Some financial wizardry will be tried if the largest economy on earth says "I am good for the money I just need a bit more time" but it definitely some of the most direct exposure. Not sure which cruel force of nature approved options trading on leveraged ETFs but my gambling addiction thanks them.
Yes literally the worst. There's a bear treasury that's been doing great TMV and it has a 3.59% yield as well
Old man advice here (Advice from my experience not just random thoughts): A. First, put up to 250K in a Fidelity account that pays a high percent. [https://www.fidelity.com/spend-save/fidelity-cash-management-account/overview](https://www.fidelity.com/spend-save/fidelity-cash-management-account/overview) B. Put the rest at another bank, that also pays a high percentage yield. Why the 2 banks (You're trying to stay within the FDIC insurance limits) and get a solid interest rate that close to 4%. C. Next go back to Fidelity and talk to one of their free advisors on recommendations for investments. D. Also, get you a good book so you can start educate yourself. Like - "The Little Book of Common Sense Investing: The Only Way to Guarantee Your Fair Share of Stock Market Returns (Little Books, Big Profits)" E. Start watching CNBC daily just to understand what going on in the markets. A couple more things: 1) DON'T Tell people (no one) about your money. 2) Don't invest in friends businesses. 3) Don't loan people money you are worried about getting back. 4) Don't invest in IPOs cause people are talking about how much money you could make. 5) When you're ready to invest find 3-4 solid ETFs to invest in. 6) If you do invest in individual companies, don't invest in companies that seem too good to be true. Stick with tried and true companies that pay a dividend. 7) Don't take advice from friends on investing. Stick with professionals or your own thoughts. It's ok to listen, but generally your friend circle doesn't have more knowledge than you. Soon, you will be the thought leader in your group. 8) DON't invest in risky bitcoin alternative investments. 9) IMO, if you are already paying your bills fine, don't pay off any bills right now. Save and invest your money for a period of close to 5 years initially. Let TMV (time value of money) work for you and turn your 450K to closer to 1 mil. Just 5 years of 450K at 7% interest rate will yield you a total of 602k with you adding no more money to it. [https://www.fncalculator.com/financialcalculator?type=tvmCalculator](https://www.fncalculator.com/financialcalculator?type=tvmCalculator) 10) Last, if you do need money now - say 30K. Only use 20K. You probably can get by with less than you think. Good luck, my father left me a solid sum of money when I was 19 and I didn't have any of this type of advice. I did take it to a bank invested it. Make some return, but eventually burned thru it. I wish someone would have told me all of this (or at least some).
Short US Treasuries via $TMV Long foreign banks...largest being $BAP but also $ITUB, $HDB Long $GDX , looking for 20% more upside
TMV is what you want to hold if you are feeling good about the trade you are talking about.
Ya cucks better get some TMV. Up 3% already
You could look into TBF, TMV, PST, and TTT. This is very risky as mentioned by other users
I'm eyeing TBF, TBT, TMV.
I did type it in Google and only got TLT and IEF. I see someone else responded with TMV and TMF so that was additional info picked up as well.
I went risk off stocks on Feb 21st, mainly because my biggest holding was Reddit stock (lol) and it was trading very poorly after earnings and I could see the other momo stocks were starting to roll over. This wasn't anything in the media, I just have been doing this long enough now that I can see when things are starting to turn. So at the end of Feb I bought GLD which I was in until Friday till I decided to take profits dump the gold and yesterday started averaging into TMV (short the long bond). Markets hate uncertainty and uncertainty causes volatility and I do not see any resolution any time soon so that's my thesis.
for the time being, maybe make an interest rate play, something like either TLT where you think they're falling, or TMV where you think they'll be going up...
This is why I am a proud 350 shares holder of TMV. I appreciate the context that businesses tend to adjust prices at the start of the year possibly leading to a misread of what's really happening, but I don't have any optimism that long term rates are going to overall be heading downward this year.
IBKR has "TMV" ("Time Value (%)") column which I think is the extrinsic value? The percentage displayed is the "time value" annualized
I’ve been waiting to get back into TMV and your conviction of long term yields having seen their top is giving me that reason. Thank you! (Obviously I will wait until after the presser)
TMV quietly rising 10% today. Maybe it's time to cash out your Trump gains.
I may have some TMV since TLT was at 98-100 😂
Looks like another red day. At least bonds are up. Still mostly cash but I bought a bit of TMF (hedged with TMV). Not going to yolo all my money away like some here 😊. I still have my dream house to build.
Time for calls on TMV while the market is down.
TMV is a good stock to hold if you don’t believe they’ll actually cut
This is WSB we do 3x here minimum, TMF and TMV
you hedged with TMV right? Right?!
TMV with that power V. Told you guys this morning that pullback was an overreaction.
Rip VIX 💀🪦 Rip Ber 💀🪦 Rip TMV 💀🪦
Rip VIX 💀🪦 Rip Ber 💀🪦 Rip TMV 💀🪦
TMV (Treasury Short x3) is a blue chip 
Ultra Treasury Short $TMV new safe haven
Im 100% polar opposite. I'm stacking TMV calls. TLT will get deleted like Luna.
The usuals: TQQQ, SPXL, TMV... /s
TMV 🚀🚀🚀🚀 means yields ripping
Calls on TMV my 10 yr yield proxy
Always money in TBT, TTT and TMV when timed well. Just need to wait for the next CPI and PPI data
TMV Generally when everybody things something the opposite happens.
Bad for small cap’s. Good for treasury’s. TMV
Last week my TMV 33c expired worthless. Today TMV is over 35. I wasn't wrong I was early 😭😭
We’ll see. I bet on it with TMV calls
I'll take it as a first name tho. Timothy Mcveigh Veigh TMV sounds like a badass rapper 
I only mess with calls on TMV when I think thr 10 yr is going up.
with treasury yields in an uptrend since mid December , i think TMV is the way you play that.TLT should revert to 82 ( historical norm) and TMF has just done a 1 for10 reverse split and is already down 15 points TMV at low 35 area is a good buy
Sticky inflation has sent treasury yields trending higher since mid December TMV is the way to play that
If I think the 10 yr finna go up I buy calls on TMV. Got some Thursday and sold Friday at open on PPI
Closed my TMV calls at 100% 
To put that number in perspective, assuming you continue putting the max into this every year and a (hopefully conservative) 8%/yr, in 40 years this account will be worth $2.1mm. Probably a lot more because the contribution limit will go up. But back of the envelope you can interpret this as an inflation adjusted number to account for not considering an increase in contributions in my TMV calculation.
TLT, TMF, TMV the last two are leveraged etfs, trading options on a vanguard etf is setting yourself up to have liquidity issues
TMV today disagrees; though I am starting to look to transition to TMF in the next few weeks/months.
TMV is bussin' cuz them yields is bussin'
I lost like 40% buting TMV before jpow lmao
Hmmm MSOX could be a potential homerun, otherwise I’d go TMV, SQQQ, LOMA, and SGOV.
Eh. I got TSLA puts 2 weeks ago and TMV about a week ago. Has been going well enough for me to through a $500 flier on bostic's comments as 10yr and DXY and oil rise; but somehow SPY still fought through. Eh, win some lose some. There's a time and a place for being a bull and a bear at times. :\\
FNGU stocks too strong. They don't need financing so not affected by 10 yr as much. TMV if you expect the 10 yr to keep rising.
That'd be nice because then I could retire with most of my account in TMV currently.
yeah I sold my calls once it was at $175. Missed the last pump to $185 but okay with it. Have been hunkered down in TMV calls and AA puts. Lost a bunch on paper elsewhere in green energy for jun calls, which is being obliterated but going to double down once I cash out Tmv.
Not complex team; market for some reason misheard Powell and purported cuts the last 2-3 months. If you actually listened to him and the other chairs he said literally we have no clue; maybe cut, maybe one more hike, maybe stay the same and that was taken as 70% 3-cuts this year and spread through news media. CPI is hot, no cuts incoming. Market 'priced in cuts', now cuts aren't likely with this info. Market will now be 'pricing in' lack of cuts, expect red Jan-Feb. Get in now puts now. Or don't I don't know shit expect my spy puts from yesterday, tsla puts from 2 weeks ago, TSDD buys, and now TMV buy is doing well and momentum will likely continue in this direction unless banks blow out earnings which isn't likely given slow season of real estate and now exxpected rate rises/dereased mortgage loan amount cutting into forward earning. CPI was hot with energy being dogshit while china implodes... once they start buying more energy will come in hot and bump up the CPI next month too. :/ Who knows though, i'm just some dude with a computer.
I'm loading up on calls that should still be alive after the first rate cut is going to be announced, or hope. I'm also working on omega leaps for TMV.
Bought 38 calls in the TMV (leveraged bearish treasuries) expiring this friday. Wish me luck.
O I agree I think the market is fighting the fed right now. I’m probably gonna take a TMV position here soon
A short term hedge is not a bad idea. You can buy some of the TBT or TMV if you need some leverage. Personally, I got some calls for the TMV expiring 12/15
I made a small bet this morning. My bet is that long bond yields are going to start heading back up here again. We have some bond auctions next week and I don't think they will go well. My vehicle was to buy puts in NAIL (yield sensitive housing sector). Another way to play it could be to go long the TMV or short the TMF.
My favorite yield indicator TMV is flying 🚀🚀🚀
You really gonna fight the fed? I'm thinking $TTT calls or $TMV shares.
Yields must be bussin. TMV 🚀🚀
Right now the smart move is to wait till yields have stabilized or expected to go down. Making money on treasuries is about the actual bond price on secondary markets vs the yield unless you plan to hold till maturity. So in that vein look at fund’s particularly leveraged treasury bond funds. Bond prices move inverse to yields. The one I’m currently watching is $TMF if the yield stabilize or start decreasing it could go up 600% to it’s last intermediate high of $30 it’s current price is 4.55. Alternatively if yields increase $TMV is the next best option.
I would rather short TMV via option for a 3-6 month outlook. Imho I think yields haven’t peaked yet inflation is still too high and we are far away from 2% target