TSLA

GrossFleshSack

I hope all the TSLA bros sell to buy SPCX, and then they get rugged, leaving both tickers around a nice solid 80 PE, so the world starts to make sense again. I feel like TSLAs super high PE as a Mag 7 company has been justifying many other stocks to have highly elevated valuations, because people can point at TSLA and say "If that can be valued at 300-400 PE why not this too?". And so comes SPCX IPO during a potentially hawkish fed cycle to crash the market back to sensible numbers.

blabberboy

I'd imagine lots of the funds to buy SpaceX would come out of TSLA and existing space stocks

curling_rocks

TSLA 🤑

dljmonkeyboiz

Now do TSLA

baseball43v3r

> on why TSLA was overpriced then TSLA was overpriced then, it's still overpriced now. > It seems possible that your analysis doesn't include potential growth of the company SpaceX has a TAM valuation of 28.5 trillion, which is more than the GDP of the US. That TAM valuation is largely tied up in future expectations in AI. People aren't upset that the company is optimistic, but that it's outright lying about what's possible.

stanbright

You can consider investing a part in QUAL. You will pay extra, but you will filter out all the rubbish like TSLA automatically. Also, it has lower volatility and could also outperform VOO during some periods.

Fickle_Rest5915

Haha damn I guess TSLA and NVDA are going to turn to shit too

tnguyen5057

Don’t worry guys, TSLA and Space X will save us all

Parking_Act3189

That is exactly what people said to me when I was buying TSLA 2014-2019

downtofinance

I bought TSLA at $30 and sold at $120 thinking I was king shit.

Parking_Act3189

I'm a retail shareholder that bought TSLA at the all time high in 2014, and at that time people like you were happy to share very similar stats on why TSLA was overpriced then. It seems possible that your analysis doesn't include potential growth of the company and you are only looking that the current state of space internet, much like how the people in 2014 thought that "GM and Toyota can make an EV cheaper than a Model S"

Badmoodsbear

I would argue the best thing to do is nothing. If OP is okay with MAG7 but not SPCX, TSLA, or any of the AI model companies, then that's basically what VOO is except TSLA. Open AI, Antropic, and SPCX are not in VOO. If they really want they can buy a little TSLS to offset the couple percent that makes up TSLA. But the reality is that OPs entire premise is just horribly misinformed and illogical. 1. Most of the companies they listed are not in VOO. 2. Many of the companies OP is apparently okay with are the counter parties to the companies they are worried about. If open AI and Antropic fail, the Mag7 are going to get absolutely wrecked. Google and Meta both just announced equity issuance to fund yet MORE AI capex. So now it's not just cash flow, but debt and stock dilution by them. It's fine to want to take "AI risk" off the table, but the way OP is asking to do it is not well thought out and frankly, it's quite clear they have no idea what they are doing. They should continue to do what they've been doing the entire time. Buy VOO and do nothing lol

Wall_St_Bussy

TSLA about to have one of those 10% days innit

curling_rocks

TSLA going up up up

CountryGreen7364

New TSLA price target from JPM 227% increase; report shows sales are crushing the ev market

Gullible_Ad3785

Yeah it is exit liquidity to offload to gullible TSLA investors.

curling_rocks

TSLA gonna moon this week

Jackkernaut

Sooo TSLA calls?

GeoBro3649

SpaceX and TSLA

thewongtrain

Made 200k on TSLA calls over a few days like 4 years ago. It gave me enough for a down payment on my house.

TeslaLeafBlower

!banbet TSLA 420.69 24h

ProofByVerbosity

Yup. I missed out on TSLA from $100 - $300 before thw split because I couldnt wrap my head around how the valuation was even from this universe.

LSD_OVERDOSE

It's really good to compare it to Tesla, I always refused to buy TSLA because the company makes no sense and since its entry I always tought that it's waaay overvalued. The thing is that, somehow the company is still here and it's still valued highly, most probably same thing will happen with SpaceX. I might jump on the idiot train for this one...

420_E-SportsMasta

My friend owned TSLA and sold it a few months before Covid for a slight loss if it makes you feel any better

mikeatx79

I bought TSLA at $18 a share after doing stock research for a report in college. Sold before the split but it covered downpayment for a house.

odlad924

How will TSLA move tomorrow? Green or red?

Scarfaceb1tch

Have spy puts and USO calls but also Meta TSLA and DRAM calls so as long as we aren’t flat I’ll be okay I think

Mettabreaks

If we were to create the ultimate conspiracy theory for the fuckery on Friday, you would expect all manipulators would make sure the market is as green as possible right for maximum pump for the SpaceX IPO on Friday. I’m still holding shorts from Friday morning but I don’t see how we crater more tomorrow. Will look for reversal at open. P.S I am a regard and I really really want Elmo to give me the TSLA millionaire treatment I never got

B00LEAN_RADLEY

Yeah, If you want SPCX but can't make the IPO requirements, just buy TSLA. Elon is gonna bail out that turd stock with the equity of his larger company. Not the first time he's done that. He did it with his brothers solar roof tile company. 100% guaranteed: SPCX will merge with TSLA in less than 2 years after the IPO.

habfranco

TSLA chart just looks like BTC one, but more spikey.

AdmiralPeriwinkle

Just a hunch but something shadier than being a meme is going on with TSLA. Musk isn’t clever enough to maintain the price otherwise.

gutster_95

I bought TSLA Calls when Elon tweeted 13 times before Earnings

iDidaThing9999

SCLXW. Look at the price in mid to late 2022 at around 15-25 cents, and then in early 2023 selling them for >10x (some days it traded over $3 and over $4). I was telling everyone I knew please buy this, whether it's $170 for 1000 or $1700 for 10k, you're going to make money... and sure enough we all did! I say this one specifically because it was the first stock (warrant) that helped me get a real portfolio going. From the proceeds I bought 200 shares of TSLA in the mid 100s, 1500 shares of PLTR @ a $17.16 average, etc. Later selling the TSLA and CCs on PLTR to develop a diversified portfolio of index funds and other positions.

ajsharm144

I bought Tesla in April 2019. It crashed 40% the next week (due to Elon being Elon). So I sold at a loss. The rest is history. Never bought TSLA again except for some swing trading on earnings. PLTR - on IPO day I bought a bunch and sold them on 10% gain the same day. Since then it's been a 1500% missed gain. NVDA - in 2022 when it first split. I had bought a bunch. Their whole market was gaming at the time and I believed that market will lift. But the stock stagnated after the split. I sold. Rest is history. UPST - Upstart IPOed, AI based lending, I bought a whole bunch, sold the same day with 25% gain. It went on to be 20x of what I sold at in the next year. Then interest rates got raised and it crashed back again. I have mixed feelings there. I've lost more money by showing conviction and poor risk management on ODTE options. I could've made more by showing conviction on my stock picks and just holding them.

AnhHungDoLuong88

I am with you on bitcoin and TSLA. I sold for a small profit before they moon.

Dmiller360

I sold a bunch of my 2019 TSLA shares and bought 1000 GOOGL spring 2025, I bought MU last year at $88.

zsmitty75

Heres why I worry about the valuation and Elon's golden touch... Tsla only once had a "realistic" P/E ratio. Exerpt from a Perplexity qerry for a summary of tsla p/e: "The trajectory is the opposite of what you'd want to justify a high P/E: earnings are falling (net margin dropped from 15.4% in 2022 to 4.1% in 2025) while the stock keeps climbing. That's a pure multiple expansion driven by Musk's AI/robotaxi narrative, not fundamentals. The Bottom Line Tesla at 416x P/E today with shrinking margins and falling EPS is arguably more disconnected from reality than it was at 1,120x in 2020 — because back then earnings were tiny but at least growing fast. Now earnings are actively deteriorating while the valuation keeps expanding. The 2022 selloff to 34x was the one window where TSLA briefly touched something resembling a real stock price." Asking Perplexity about SpaceX valuation: "The Bottom Line At $1.75–2T, you're paying roughly 100x revenue for a company burning ~$4B+ per quarter. A more traditional valuation (Damodaran's ~$1.3T) would still put it at ~70x revenue. Neither has a P/E because there's no E. It's a pure growth/optionality bet — either xAI + Starlink + Starship become a multi-trillion-dollar business, or you paid way too much." If you think tsla p/e isn't irrational, the spcex is going to price similarly If you think tsla stock price will correct to a 20-30x earnings "realistic " valuation then you can think spacex will also find its "realistic" valuation after ipo. Plus add the "conspiracy theory" idea that Elon is just making a cash grab..... Well the pump and dump makes a lot of sense. Occam's razor: if it walks like a con-man and it quacks like a con-man, its Elon Musk. Give the man an orange tan and a golf club, and you have the perfect American male atm.

FarVillage188

short them. let's say you have $1k in TSLA through VOO. you can short $1k in TSLA and you'll be TSLA neutral (any drop or gain in value through VOO will be offset by the opposite impact through direct TSLA holdings).

Effective_End8731

This is a normal phenomenon that has happened before. Speculative prices getting unwieldly is one of the first signs of a major correction inbound. Bond prices move, the yield curve inverts. These are all signs. When the major correction starts moving smart money into dividends, commodities, consumer staples, and TSLA and SPCX won't deliver dividends. When the quality and dividend funds don't include these names and the market starts rebalancing its portfolios based on these indicators, growth slows until the trajectory of companies inverts. This will be the thing that brings SPCX and TSLA to more reasonable P/E ratios. Might be a year still might be one month, seasons might change and these factors correct before the big shift and it doesn't happen for some time. But its all happened before.

_Clit-Commander_

I only have shameful ones: Bought bitcoin when it was at $7k sold for a loss when it crashed to $2k. Never bought again. I got in on the first trading day of PLTR and got in for around $9, sold it all at $21. Never bought again. Had so many HOOD shares at around $15 and sold that for a loss. Never bought back in. Made a whole house on TSLA. Lost a whole house on TSLA.

SpiltMilkBelly

TSLA has been overvalued for … how long again? I’m not saying they’re right and you’re wrong, because fundamentally it makes no sense, but if you can afford to put some play money into SpaceX then why not.

LeDoohickey

I just want to know what’s gonna happen to TSLA

MelangeBot

They are right but the wrong timing which is the same as being wrong. Everybody and their grandmother knows this IPO is a total scam. That's why the criminals themselves will pump the shit out of it by themselves untill they create FOMO. This always works. Then when everybody is in at 200 dollars it dumps back to 135 then slowly crawls down to like I dunno 90 or so, stabilizes and then becomes TSLA 2.0 with yearly pump and dumps from Elon when he needs cash.

PsychoKineticStudios

By that metric, 95% of the growth companies are not worth their valuation. Just doing some napkin math, excluding xAI, their net loss was 791m excluding AI, starlin was a profit of 1.2b, launches was a loss of \~400m, mostly weighed down by R&D spend if I remember correctly. Adding 30b in revenue, at a 10% margin is still 3b in profit. So, while the valuation is inflated, is it really that much more inflated than some of the companies that are trading rn. I think TSLA is a lot more egregious.

MelangeBot

It will pump in the beginning because the people that bought in below 135 and want to dump know they first have to create some momentum and hype. No idea how high it will get pumped or for how long but at some point it will start dumping, hit 135 again and starts a slow long road towards some lower number. Don't know what that number will be or when it will happen. after that it will become like TSLA most likely and Elon will pump and dump it once in a while when he wants more cash.

Broken_leo

Don't buy $SPCX . Buy $TSLA poots . You're welcome

slightlynocturnal

That doesn't change the fact that the parent comment is that it's 94x P/S. Then, someone comments that TSLA's P/E is 317.23. That made it look like a comparison. I agree with you that P/E shouldn't matter too much here, but comparing those two to each other is comparing apples to oranges. For what it's worth, TSLA's P/S is a not too unreasonable 15. That can sort of be compared to SpaceX's 94.

Foreign_Read7251

It’s TSLA. The only way for retail to have exposure to Musk and SpaceX is currently through TSLA. My guess is retail will sell off some of their TSLA holdings and put it into SpaceX.

JerkyJunkie

Nobody will be using water for cooling... There is a very heavily undervalued company, ticker CC Chemours. They basically own all of the patents for the different chemical mixtures, that will be used for cooling in basically everything… Chips, cars, energy production, air/space aviation, robotics, data centers, quantum computers, cryptocurrency mining, etc.. Remember who made the most money during the gold rush. Not the miners, not the refiners, not the brokers, nor the jewelers… The company selling the shovels, and other tools for unearthing the gold. CC is the company selling the shovels. NVDA, PLTR, SPCX, TSLA, MARA, HUT, EV companies, IONQ, MSFT, AMZN, META, and the list goes on…. Will all be in a position where they are beholden to CC as their only option for liquid cooling. Which on a side-note, was really the only, and largest setback when it has come to the Blackwell chip (Chinese limits aside). Putting two and two together that means that the highest market cap company in the world requires CC (AS A NECESSITY) to move forward in any linear way. Especially when the Reuben chip goes into production, as I’m sure Jensen will not make the same mistake twice. Considering that the new chip uses significantly more power, and generates incredible amounts of heat. Transitively speaking the chips will require much more cooling than the Blackwell, and current stacks.. Which again, had already ran into major cooling issues last round when it was run single, let alone in a stack! G-D Bless, and best of trading to everybody!💙✝️🙏🔥

Lazy_Connection8220

Appl 100%, rest could be AMZN /TSLA/ GOOGL - fuck MSFT

Scared_Step4051

as is TSLA and has been for how many years...

InjuryEmbarrassed532

TSLA for safety

callsonreddit

They are known to overleverage and buy stupid shit IIRC Like 3x TSLA

booobReviewer

Tesla and Apple are the two I'd flag. TSLA's valuation still prices in a robotics/AI/autonomy dream scenario that keeps getting pushed out. AAPL at 30x+ earnings with single-digit revenue growth is priced for perfection — services revenue is growing but hardware replacement cycles are lengthening. GOOGL and MSFT look the most reasonably priced on forward earnings. AMZN's AWS margins keep expanding so the multiple has support. NVDA's forward P/E is actually dropping as earnings catch up — depends on whether you think AI capex sustains.

share_the_groove

What do you think his long term strategy is? re:lessons learned on TSLA short sellers.

IamInternationalBig

Put your money where your mouth is and invest in TSLA now then, so you can enjoy that 350 P/E. 

YanksFanInSF

It’s absolutely rigged, and based. Yet, the Elon-stans will still pump that shit just like TSLA and at least for an hour it’ll fly. I’m still putting in my request for 1 share and pretty sure I’ll be selling day 1. TSLA hasn’t made sense for a while so why would SPCX?

chocha84

I'm gonna watch the open - but I'm not buying. Also not buying TSLA stock - dude has lost his focus, and not a good CEO.

Public_Cartographer

Counterpoint: TSLA @$391 Stock price for Elon's junk has no bearing on actual reality.

Hegecoin_Rules

People are definitely sleeping on RIVN simply cause of how looooong it has taken to get here. People forget how long TSLA was unprofitable.

W0lv3rIn321

How low do TSLA and SPCX need to go to dethrone Elon? Old money has had enough

ShotBandicoot7

What if nobody want to buy because they are being margin called on their TSLA, GME and PLTR bags?

Decent_Relative_4070

TSLA to 200? bro is retarded enough to be the mod here

ians0606

Don’t underestimate the hype man Elon and his fan boys. TSLA is a great example that it didn’t sink 😉

torokunai

so cheap! TSLA is around $400!!

gomper

I don't know about anyone else but this retail investor is staying far far away. I know my index funds are affected but thats honestly closer than I care to be. It should be fun to day trade though. I would never own TSLA but I day trade it all the time because it swings like crazy

antelope591

Cant bet against it with how long TSLA's stayed irrational.  The math doesnt work as far as big gains. Saying you're gonna get rich on it is way more dumb than thinking its gonna crash lol. But I wouldn't be bearish on it either.

VoidMageZero

Let's see. Really only TSLA imo, maybe AMZN and AAPL a little right now but not much.

Lynorisa

TSLA makes essentially no revenue yet it's jerked off to oblivion. PLTR only recently came down from absolutely over priced to extremely overpriced. "There's no money in playing it safe." - Norm MacDonald, man who went broke at least 3 times due to gambling.

Swiftnice

I just hope it tanks immediately and continues for months along with TSLA so Musk can't claim the title of first Trillionaire.

InevitableAd2436

It will end up normalizing, posting absurd profits with an even absurd P/E and all the idiots here will continue to try and short it like TSLA.

newmeintoibanking

>immediate listing market float will def be under pressure >anchor investor will have lock-in window during which speculation will come max to lure retail >Elon is antagonist for short-seller so he will cast long pain for them intentionally (learnt from TSLA lessons)

Ill_Station_6165

Meh too much FUD, it’ll keep going up on a TSLA merger

bulrfuc

SPCX will suck the very soul out of RKLB, ASTS, LUNR, etc. Once that happens, Elon will absorb all those companies into SPCX. Then TSLA merges into SPCX. Superstonk. I just hope the semis die off and the money from SOXX gets vortex'ed into SPCX.

LurkerGarry

Joining late to the conversation. People told me the same thing when TSLA hit the market and I bought in the first week and only sold recently. Love or hate Elon, the people he hired to make his products do a decent job creating something new. SpaceX is doing things no one else is and providing a service no one can compete with on a global scale. Planetary network services are a big deal. The satellite technology in orbit right now will survive and work for decades to come servicing rural areas. Places other companies won’t go. I’m buying into the product and the technology. Not the dude running the show.

torokunai

same deal with TSLA's magic 350X P/E

GuyBou26

Never and I repeat NEVER short Musk’s cos like TSLA since it’s supported by thousands of fanboys that keep buying along with Musk manipulating the market by buying a tons of stonks when TSLA (or soon SpaceX) is depressed

KingPalleKuling

Isnt that all he ever did? Like TSLA was always in the shitter if it wasnt for US grants, tax, and carbon credits.

throwaway9gk0k4k569

JPM rating on TSLA today: Latest Rating Date 6/5/2026 Analyst JP Morgan Rating Action Upgrade Rating Neutral Price Action Raises Price Target 145 -> 475 Last January: 150 -> 145.

BaxBaxPop

I'm not selling my TSLA to buy SPCX. I'm selling my VOO. Why does everyone think Elon fanboys are dumb?!

onemananswerfactory

I thought valuations and DD and logic goes out the window when it’s an Elon company. Isn’t that why people in here hate TSLA being as high as it is? Wouldn’t the same happen with SPCX?

metamorphosis

Thrown 5k on TSLA puts on Thursday expiring end of June. Way OTM (strike 300) had decent return from Friday's dump but I am betting SpaceX IPO will have negatively effect on TSLA as buyers will shift to SPACEx and there will be selling pressure

onemananswerfactory

I plan on buying the week after it IPOs because it feels like a rug out of gate but if TSLA stock proves anything it’s that Elon stocks have a cult following and I wish I was in that cult when it started.

aprizm

yeah Im not betting against the guy who ipo'd TSLA and its a very profitable stock long-term

BaxBaxPop

I bought today. $TSLA, under $400!

BaxBaxPop

Musk knows how to make retail matter. Retail is like 60% of the active TSLA trades.

Top_Cranberry_3254

Damn, I bit on the AH dip at the end there. So now it'll probably drop another 2-3%. I have a feeling it could drop until the SPCX IPO, about 4% more. Got some shorts to hedge but got some DRAM, RKLB, NVDA, TSLA, META, AVGO dip, RR, and PL dip.

Scarfaceb1tch

I was actually swinging shit all day! Started with TSLA puts then took profit and started swinging SPY and TSLA and it just snowballed

Hyper_Sloth_

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InjuryEmbarrassed532

I am assuming you did something rational and put that sum in TSLA? Just stay course. If you bought an you index also stay the course.

curling_rocks

TSLA green ah next week is gonna be so good

ozarkabottle

I'll even give you the playbook that Elon will use since he tested it with TSLA with success. IPO, moon, take profits, gather as much shorts as they can with negative sentiment which will dump the price, then announce a $100Billion 5 year government contract to build the golden dome, suddenly SpaceX is profitable, shorts cover which moons the stock, get accepted into SP500, dump at sky high prices to retirement funds, trade sideway till 2035.

jhdidas_3335

It's not a scam, but you're missing some key details. The return is always conditional on something happening to a reference index or stock. For example, if the S&P500 is up for the quarter, you receive an interest payment, but if it's down, you receive nothing. Every PPN is different and for something offering something as high as 12%, it's probably tied to a risky stock like TSLA or NVDA. There is also a sales commission and many notes have early call features, which means they can be cancelled by the issuer and you would have to pay another commission to reinvest in a new note.

Successful_Car1670

JPM bullish on TSLA. Might be time to go full degen on puts

StonkaTrucks

Why are you buying $100k worth of 1dte TSLA puts?

Turbulent-Beauty

Stocks going up wildly the past couple months while one of the worst global economic catastrophes of my lifetime (Millennial here) has been unfolding is the head-scratching part. If markets were rational and efficient, I would expect oil to trade at about $150 a barrel and TSLA to trade for around $50 a share.

Redseminole

TSLA will bounce at 375

xeratice1

TSLA -6.66% reversal confirmed. Which way? Not sure

spez_eats_nazi_ass

Europoors held the line ok today. Not as bad. Insurance sector up as well. Just harvested some profits to reload the TSLA short cannon.

Valkorion335786

Come on TSLA.... just... $15 more 😂😂😂😂😂