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Why are leveraged ETFs like UPRO discouraged for long term holding, when just looking at "what if I bought $1000 in year X" pretty consistently shows a 3x return over S&P over those years?

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Long term investing in a triple leverage S&P 500 ETF

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SPY vs UPRO, DIA vs UDOW

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Lost 50% of life savings (20K)

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Is it possible to spend all my fund and margin fund on leverage eft and crypto?

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TQQQ or UPRO

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38% win rate is enough to beat the market, all you need is consistency

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Help Understanding Options Strategy

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thoughts on my return stacked leveraged ETF portfolios?

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Thoughts on my return stacked leveraged portfolios?

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thoughts on my return stacked and leveraged portfolios?

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Psychology of starting and maintaining a portfolio

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Dodged a bullet today with a risk that I would have never foreseen. Way out-of-whack valuation on way otm contract.

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Portfolio Example with a Leveraged ETF

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LETFS can have a responsible use case

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Is there something I'm missing? Leverage ETFs seem great.

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Tracking tool- SP500 to UPRO

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Leveraged ETF's - Long Holds Discussion

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Should I DCA into leveraged ETFs

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my boyfriend is obsessed with investing and it worries me?

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Backtested a Volatility Strategy From an Academic Paper, Beat Market by 4x

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$TQQQ - An opportunity we can’t miss

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Hedging against missed opportunities

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Backtesting a $100k UPRO portfolio with long $HYG puts as a hedge (replacing TMF in HFEA, the Hedgefundie portfolio)

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ETF discussion for dummies.

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Backtested a Volatility Strategy From an Academic Paper, Beat Market by 4x

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How to Hedge My Portfolio with Puts?

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Moderately aggressive ETFs/index funds?

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Call to Action; FINRA Notice 22-08 (Important if you trade UPRO, TQQQ, TMF)

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Convenient sites for the greeks and strategy?

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TQQQ vs Individual growth stocks

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Most leverage possible

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What are the risks when short selling a leveraged inverse ETF like SQQQ? Other ways to capture value from volatility drag?

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$SPY - Predictions for the week of 2/21

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TQQQ/UPRO Options

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Buy Leveraged S&P 500 ETFs

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Does leveraged funds options take into account decay and expense ratio?

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UPRO:TMF covered call split

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Absolutely retarded apebrained 2x leveraged 60/40 S&P 500 / long term treasury portfolio - looking for feedback

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A bad split. TQQQ

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Thoughts on Asset Allocation

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Thoughts on portfolio allocation

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Leveraged ETF UPRO + put ladder hedge == call option

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Hedging TQQQ/UPRO with QQQ/SPY options

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Here are the pros and cons of the healthcare sector [DD]

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Here are the pros and cons of the healthcare sector [DD]

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Healthcare sector go brrrr 🚀🚀🚀

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Different take on Ray Dalio AWP and Bogleheads 3 Fund Portfolio

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Innovator Accelerated ETFs™ Listings in January a decent replacement to hold for UPRO/TQQQ?

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Accelerated ETFs™ in January- worth it? Replacement for UPRO/TQQQ for holding long?

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SPY vs. UPRO

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I have sold all my TECL, SOXL, TQQQ, UPRO with very good profit. Should I reinvest now or wait? If reinvest, on what? What is cheap now?

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Leveraged etfs?

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Dip Buying BackTesting - SPY & QQQ with Leveraged Accounts

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Is anyone else's portfolio in the green besides me this week? Leveraged tangent portfolio at a quasi-risk parity allocation worked great. Rebalancing 10% out of TMF shortly to buy more TQQQ/UPRO at discount prices. Inb4 the usual "hurr durr volatility drag/beta slippage" anti leveraged etf crowd

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Is anyone else's portfolio in the green besides me this week? Leveraged tangent portfolio at a quasi-risk parity allocation worked well. Rebalancing 10% out of TMF shortly to buy more TQQQ/UPRO at discount prices. Inb4 the usual "hurr durr volatility drag/beta slippage" anti leveraged etf crowd

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Is anyone else's portfolio in the green besides me this week? Leveraged tangent portfolio at a quasi-risk parity allocation worked well. Rebalancing 10% out of TMF shortly to buy more TQQQ/UPRO at discount prices. Inb4 the usual "hurr durr volatility drag/beta slippage" anti leveraged etf crowd

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Recreating hedgefundie's portfolio for cheaper

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Anyone just trying to match SPY with minimum drawdowns?

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-1x 140p UPRO +1x 140c UPRO

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How to 3x the S&P CAGR with less risk | Leverage for the Long Run

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HedgeFundie’s Excellent Adventure: Historical Distribution of Rolling Returns. 3X leverage ETF Portfolio

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Losing Money like a Champ

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Is there any reason not to use leverage/LEAPS for long term investing?

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Theta gang selling puts (TQQQ UPRO)

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Buying and holding UPRO for a highly aggressive portfolio, thoughts?

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Into the end of 2nd year of my investing career, I seek more guidance/advice from you.

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Do you expect the market to hit an ATH between now and February?

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(Update) Palantir Technologies (PLTR) Price Action 10 Oct 21 🚀 🚀

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Data issue with OptionMetrics?

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Leveraging into an S&P index

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TQQQ, UPRO and SPXL vs things like SPY and VTG

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Need Help Hashing Out a Leveraged SPY Put

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What’s wrong with leveraged funds?

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What’s wrong with leveraged funds?

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Do leaps compound?

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LEVERAGE ON LEVERAGE. DID I STRUCK GOLD OR AM I DUMB!!

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Investing 10K in 10 ETF

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Buying bullish and bearish options at the same time

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Today’s Options

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How to Add Leverage in Portfolio Visualizer

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Which is more effective: ETF + leap PUT or leap call?

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Calculating Option Leverage (🚀): How to make sure you don't buy something too safe

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Leveraged ETF’s on SPY

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The Coming Crisis.

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Using delta to calculate an option's leverage | tutorial + example

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Do you need to invest in bonds or just one etf?

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Gain porn. It’s nice to finally win one. UPRO calls y picked up yesterday morning 🦧🚀

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Hypothetical: Delta Crash - Real Crash

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How sound is investing in a bogles-style portfolio, but with 3x leverage?

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Debunking the "Leveraged ETFs Are Not a Long-Term hold" myth. Big backtest

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Options Collars on 3x Leveraged Funds

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The Case for Leveraged ETFs: A Simulation-based Analysis

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The Case for leveraged ETFs: A simulation-based analysis

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Robustness of treasuries as hedges on a PSLDX/Hedgefundie style investment

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Risks With Leveraged Funds?

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To the moon rapidly with leveraged funds.

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I’m 17 and soon will open a roth ira account when I turn 18. I have found that leveraged ETF’s have been producing greater returns despite the dent taken during March 2020. Why is it bad to invest in Leveraged ETF’s when the upside outweighs the downsides?

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No, 100% TQQQ is probably not a great idea. Here's why.

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56% annual return since Jan 2008 (27% since 1928) -- Automated Leveraged Strategy

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This is the 3rd question in the FAQ: [https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/wiki/faq/#wiki\_if\_buy\_and\_hold\_works.2C\_why\_shouldn.27t\_i\_just\_use\_a\_leveraged\_fund\_to\_increase\_my\_returns.3F](https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/wiki/faq/#wiki_if_buy_and_hold_works.2C_why_shouldn.27t_i_just_use_a_leveraged_fund_to_increase_my_returns.3F) But the short version is that if you bought before a crash like 2008, you might still be down today, or at least would be down over a long period of time. Backtests of these ETFs are very sensitive to when you enter/exit them. Move your test one year and suddenly you're under-performing SPY. This is why there's a more complicated approach - the 'hedgefundie' approach (named after a commenter who helped spur discussion) uses UPRO and a leveraged bond fund. This gets you some better protection. But it still has some big risks (the hedging approach didn't work this year, for example).

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Assumptions? There is nothing to follow, just a direct comparison of leveraged products long-term DCA results, e.g. TQQQ, QLD, UPRO, SSO.

QQQ/VGT, VOO, could try some UPRO. Buy good cash flow companies.

My positions are mostly bearish right now. (Long puts on HYG which are not doing well at the moment.) And I plan to open a position in SQQQ and buy some QQQ puts when we get the first 200SMA touch. However, do you have a bull hedge in place - just in case? And how would you put one in place if you wanted to? Long OTM call LEAPs on SPY or UPRO? And by the way, I love reading all your posts!

And I'm over here having a hard time buying more than 2 UPRO $40 16Dec puts because it's kind of a bet... (I also bought 2 TQQQ $25 16Dec puts). I agree the market is a overbought, but you have two days for the market to agree with you. I have 4 months (and only about $800).

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UPRO. S$P500 leveraged x3. At the end of the day/week/month/year/decade/century the market goes up.

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Leveraged ETFs are another option. Look at SSO or UPRO.

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I learned a lot about investing in leveraged ETF's. SSO, UPRO and TQQQ are very fascinating

UPRO and chill

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[you could follow this portfolio, it does underperform s&p for nearly a decade but after.](https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio#analysisResults) but after that it does have a high CARG. Substitute it with UPRO and you have HFEA

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I can't even gain from you misery beyond a quick HEH. That said, you should probably never touch options again. Probably just stick to VOO/SPY/QQQ/IWM/VT. At most 10/20% into UPRO/TQQQ/SSO/UWM assuming you ain't old af. End of the day it's just money and you can make more of it by working.

Best: buying UPRO at the bottom in June, Netflix puts before their 20% earnings drop Worst: holding bags for Mark Zuckerberg, buying calls for a stock that was getting pumped on r/shortsqueeze (ATER)

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VOO and then UPRO after the crash on the way back up

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I’d start with 3x leveraged index ETF’s before messing with LEAPS. I started UTMA accounts for each of my two kids and plan on investing a portion of the funds in something like UPRO.

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I have several accounts with fideity and an M1 account with a HEFA strategy. Rebalancing in fidelity is entirely manual and agonizing. Calculate what I need to sell and what to buy. Then execute all of the sales and purchases manually. Rebalancing and maintaining a target allocation in M1 is so much easier. With M1, you can rebalance with the click of a button. They will automatically sell some assets and buy others to bring you back to 55/45. You can do it anytime. Also, anytime you deposit new money to the account, they will make the purchases to bring you back to your target allocation. For example, if you are underweight in UPRO, then more of your new money will go into UPRO automatically without you having to think about it. Unfortunately I cannot comment on their backdoor Roth. I’d highly recommend M1 for a HEFA strategy just for the ease of rebalancing and distributing new money.

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Going to double up on UPRO and TQQQ…bad idea?

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So happy that I decided to buy UPRO last week

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Overall inflation down, core inflation also down below expectations. Went long TQQQ and UPRO. Let the games begin 👍

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Much easier to go after /r/LETFs where you pay less taxes on dividends. Example UPRO/SSO.

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Why do you think so many people refer to the stock market as a casino in the last 2 years lol Speaking on Casinos… Betting on something like BBBY this week is basically red or black if you win great your emotions will probably tell you to keep trading the memes over and over again until you eventually get burned and stop while if you lose most take their loss and leave (although some stay and continue repeating this process) In the long run choosing neither of these decision is your best bet Just buy VTI, UPRO, UDOW, TQQQ and wait 10 years along with some small portfolio allocation in angel investments (ORGN, GENI, SIEN etc)

The leverage is daily; it's not over a period of a year. You aren't leverages 2:1 with UPRO over a year, they rebalance daily.

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You buy UPRO. On the first day, the S&P drops by 20%, the next day it recovers by 25%. The S&P ends in the same place it began (0.8 x 1.25=1) UPRO would have experienced a 60% drop in price, followed by a 75% recovery. UPRO ends the two days down 30% (0.4 x 1.75 = 0.7), while the S&P itself has not changed in price. As you can see, the fact that UPRO tracks the daily movements in the S&P can cause it to have price decreases when the S&P is largely flat.

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I’m 19. My dad put 8k in SSO for me in 2008-2009. I’m sitting very pretty now, and all in UPRO

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Just buy $UPRO (3xS&P) every week. Once you have 100 shares, look up 'covered calls' and write calls every week while you continue to buy shares. Thank me in 2-3years.

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Why wouldn't you just do 20% UPRO instead of 30% SSO because you could significantly reduce your average expense ratio while maintaining the same amount of leverage

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I remember seeing something about SSO having a better CAGR % backtested in past recessions against UPRO but Idk if that’s true

If you want to be a normie, Invest 100% in SPY. Or if you never see yourself writing covered calls then VOO If you want to be conservative, do a bond/stock/gold fund. So 70% SPY/Voo, 20% TLT and 10% gold If you want to be aggressive then look at this [series of posts](https://www.optimizedportfolio.com/hedgefundie-adventure/) and consider 55% UPRO and 45% TMF If you want more exoteric ideas then look through this blog to see what gets your kicks

Forgetting about risk and volatlity for a second, I don't think you accounted for the "actual returns" downsides. The long-term returns of something like UPRO are much much different than just "3X" and much less intuitive to quantify. See this [paper](https://www.math.nyu.edu/~avellane/SIAMLETFS.pdf.pdf). The good news is the paper actually gives a formula for calculating the CAGR for a leveraged ETF, given the CAGR of the underlying, the volatility of the underlying, and borrowing costs \[since to achieve leverage the leveraged fund "borrows" every day. The leverage is actually achieved via swaps, but the borrowing costs are roughly similar to just borrowing\]. For UPRO in particular, use this formula: R = (1+r)\^3 \* exp(-3\*v\^2 - 2.2I - E) - 1 where: R = CAGR for UPRO, r = CAGR of SPY, v = volatility of SPY (standard deviation of SPY daily returns, annualized) \[for SPY long term, v is usually between 0.17 and 0.2\] I = average borrowing rate (this is usually the average Fed funds rate + 0.5%) E = expense ratio (for UPRO this is 0.91%) Ok, now for the bad news, plug some numbers: Let's say the Fed fund rate averages 2% long-term, then I = 2.5% or I = 0.025 Let's say v = 0.18 Then the formula becomes: R = (1+r)\^3 \* 0.851 - 1 So, here's a table or results: |SPY CAGR|UPRO CAGR| |:-|:-| |0%|\-14.9%| |2%|\-9.7%| |4%|\-4.3%| |5%|\-1.5%| |5.5%|0%| |6%|1.4%| |7%|4.3%| |8%|7.2%| |9%|10.2%| |10%|13.3%| |12%|19.6%| |14%|26.1%| |16%|32.8%| |20%|47.1%| Now let's look at a 25 year investment horizon. As you can see from the assumptions above: * if SPY has a "lost" 25 years with 0% CAGR, you lose 99% of the money you put in UPRO now. * If SPY does a 4% CAGR over the 25 years, you will lose 2/3 of the money you put in now. * If SPY has a CAGR below 5.5%, you will lose money on an investment in UPRO right now. * If SPY does below 8.5% CAGR, you're better off putting your money in SPY instead. * If SPY does a 10% CAGR, UPRO will outperform SPY, but not by "3X" * If there's a repeat of the last 10 years with a 14% CAGR (or more), you will get very very rich. Now, is this risk/reward worth it to you? What if we have 25 years of slightly elevated volatility of say 0.2 instead of 0.18? I'll leave it to you to plug in and see how much the results are sensitive to the assumptions. Do you think my assumption for the Fed fund rate was too high/low? change it and see how that impacts the results. Note: If you try to use the formula above for UPRO since its inception, here are the numbers you need: SPY CAGR = 14.3%, v = 0.174, and I was around 1% since interest rates were near 0% for the majority of the time since UPRO inception.

UPRO has outperformed SPY in the last 10 years. Bull market, to be sure--but dismissing them out of hand is wrong. And to say that an investor would have universally done better in DOW, RUT, or SPY is factually incorrect.

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You could hold both UPRO and TMF (a 3x bond etf) to reduce your portfolio volatility.

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How does the UPRO return since inception compare to the S&P?

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Have you never looked at a long term chart of SPY/SSO/UPRO and QQQ/QLD/TQQQ? Because you clearly have not.

Most mortgage is 5x - 10x leverage but it’s something you can sleep in and rent out to weather the storm. If i can sleep in SPXL and UPRO i’m all in lol

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I'm planning on trying this, with some NASDAQ exposure. I wouldn't blindly ride into a year like this one without moving most of it to cash. I started entering a inverse 2x leveraged NASDAQ ETF in October and stocked up in November and December. I exited that at a nice +40%. So I've got false confidence I'd be a pro at UPRO lmao The backtesting on the strategy shows it's a well performing blind investment strategy. I think being proactive on macroeconomics would be very advantageous to the strategy and DCAing any cash withdrawal through downturns. I guess the extreme play would be to inverse leverage any major downturns.

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I use UPRO all the time but you have to have the stomach for the swings. Because they are crazy. But overall 2x money money in a short period of time. If i 2x 3 more times i can retire very wealthy.

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Reading this and checking both UPRO and TMF, I’m sure the guy ain’t happy rn with how they both dropped together. Not a crash per say, but heavy losses. Might be a good time to invest back in this strategy, assuming apocalypse ain’t on its way

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Not at all. By the end of that 3 day example, UPRO is about 4% better than the S&P - but day 1 it was about 13% better. That’s why leveraged ETF’s have to keep splitting. They will eventually get to a very low valuation. If you just use round numbers. Say 5%. Day 1 S&P = 100, UPRO = 100 +5% = 105, 115 -5% = 95.5, 96.50 +5% = 100.725, 110.95 -5% = 95.72, 94.2 It has taken 4 cycles and it has underperformed by this point. The further you carry it, the further down it will go. Easiest way to test it is to just plug it into excel.

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I agree. If you plan to hold long term, and will not panic sell with large drops (and, if anything, even invest more when it plummets) I think you’d end up being very happy after 10+ years. People keep parroting the “it’s only meant as a day trading tool” and “the returns reset every day” stuff, but those concerns don’t really make sense if you believe in the long term success of the economy. If you expect the S&P 500 to be up 10+ years from now, likely by a decent amount, then UPRO will like be up too, by an even greater amount. This is one of those things where you can talk about math all day long, but if you look at the charts which reflect what actually happens in real life, UPRO (and other triple leveraged ETFs) have done exactly what you’d expect - gone up substantially, even after market declines/crashes. Just like the regular market.

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In the example you just gave, UPRO ended up doing better than the S&P. If you carried this forward over a long enough period of time, it’s very reasonable to assume UPRO will substantially outperform the S&P.

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Because it’s not an investment tool. It’s a day trading tool. Day 1 - S&P is at 100, UPRO is at 100 Day 2 - S&P goes up 5%, UPRO goes up 15% S&P = 105, UPRO = $115. Day 3 - Bad news, S&P down 10%, UPRO down 30%! S&P = 94.5, UPRO = $84.5. (Note, you’re already buried by the daily compounding leverage). Day 4 - good news again! S&P up 10%, UPRO up 30%! S&P is 104.95, UPRO is $109.85. Your slippage is magnified. Carry this same “sideways” scenario for a month and see what happens. You’ll never beat the slippage.

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True, although UPRO and SSO did handle the covid crash quite quickly. Thank you for the refferal, i'll hop in there and investigate. Although i am met at first glance with a post calling that the market will crash in a couple of weeks but i guess every subreddit have those people.

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good point, but in the long term it does seem both UPRO and SSO have been able to stay quite close to their goal

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> **The premiums on SOXL are much better - which I pressume is because it is a 3X** and either because of that - or in spite of it? - the strikes have much higher IV. This lead me to do more digging and it seems true that leveraged ETFs have higher IV, than their 1X counterparts **and thus higher premiums.** That (the bolded parts) doesn't make sense and anything you found that follows that pattern ought to be an exception. Premium of a 3x call shouldn't necessarily be larger than the premium of the 1x call, certainly not 3x larger. After all, the per-share price of the leveraged underlying is a lot lower, so even if a 5% move of the 1x underlying turns into at 15% move of the 3x, since the 3x share price is 1/10th the share price of the 1x, the total dollar value of the 15% move ought to be lower. Options only care about the dollar move of the underlying. That the percent move is supposed to be 3x the daily move of a 1x basis shouldn't matter one bit to the market for the 3x options, since the per-share dollar values are *not* kept in 3:1 lock step. I did some of my own checking and found higher IV like you said, but not necessarily higher premium, not even for SOXL. All comparisons are ATM calls for the August monthly expiration: * QQQ 320c $6.63/25.97% vs. TQQQ 34.50c $2.13/76.61% * SPY 411c $6.57/18.71% vs. UPRO 44.50c $1.95/55.68% * DIA 326c $4.15/15.48% vs. UDOW 58c $1.75/45.77% * SOXX 415c $11.50/33.49% vs. SOXL 21c $1.71/99.58%

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No, TQQQ and UPRO is the move

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What’s cool is that we can bet on this. You can go all in on calls or TQQQ and UPRO, and I can resume betting to the downside. One of us will definitely be a lot happier than the other. :)

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I’d go for 2024 calls for SOXL, TQQQ, and UPRO. In my opinion it’s the “safest” high risk use for it.

I’ve been saying the bottom has been in since early July and getting downvoted. I’m feeling pretty great right now. My UPRO and TQQQ has been growing nicely 👍

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I'm exclusively UPRO and SPXU for a season

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Surely the current market downturn would perfectly demonstrate just how terrible it is to hold leveraged ETFs through a market crash? Lets look at 5 year returns: $SPY = +64% $UPRO = **+135%** $QQQ = +118% $TQQQ = **+257%** So much for that leverage "decay"...

*"Never hold leveraged ETFs long term man there is leverage decay, rebalancing risk man, they were only designed for short term trading man"* Literally every single article and finance YouTuber repeats the same thing. Surely the current market downturn would perfectly demonstrate just how terrible it is to hold leveraged ETFs through a market crash? Lets look at 5 year returns: $SPY = +64% $UPRO = **+135%** $QQQ = +118% $TQQQ = **+257%** So much for that leverage "decay"...

*"Never hold leveraged ETFs long term man there is leverage decay, rebalancing risk man, they were only designed for short term trading man"* Literally every single article and finance YouTuber repeats the same thing. Surely the current market downturn would perfectly demonstrate just how terrible it is to hold leveraged ETFs through a market crash? Lets look at 5 year returns: $SPY = +64% $UPRO = **+135%** $QQQ = +118% $TQQQ = **+257%** So much for that leverage "decay"...

Becuase you can get a 0dte spy or qqq on Monday morning, but it's a 4dte for tqqq (you're also thinking of UPRO, the leveraged spy.) Also, you canntrade spy and qqq 15 minutes after close, the only options you can do that with. However, starting Thursday morning thru Friday close, the calculus works in your favor for your idea of getting options for a leveraged etf.

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A broad based ETF... SPY, RSP... Maybe SSO or UPRO depending on your risk tolerance.

UPRO is free money

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Yeah, if u wanna add a little risk u should try 60% UPRO (3x leverage SPY) and (3x leverage TMF), its returned 17% on average since 1987

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I actually bought in at the 3600 low and sold that recently at a significant profit because I utilized UPRO.

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False. They would only decay if the market was very flat over a long period of time. Backtest UPRO and you'll see how you're wrong.

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I have a Roth IRA that is 60% UPRO (3x leveraged S&P) and 40% EDV (extended duration treasuries), and I am pretty happy with it. On down days when UPRO drops, EDV is almost always up 1-2% to offset it. If you backtest such a portfolio you'll see you can make some crazy gains in a bull market (if you had invested $10K into that portfolio in 2010, it would have been worth $255K at the end of 2021). Only way it goes tits up is if the S&P were to drop more than 33% in a single day, but due to circuit breakers that's no longer possible.

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I got like 19k in UPRO and 2k in SPY 8/1 380p so whatever you do SPY please just do something and fast

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Just looked at those stocks and coincidentally 95% of them look like hairy man ass. I wouldn't dare short UPRO though

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Right but it's not 3x, 60% VOO 40% SSO and 60% VOO 20% UPRO are both 1.4x SPY.

Btw I’m pretty sure you could do 80% VOO 20% UPRO which is the same leverage with lower expense ratio.

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I would get out ASAP as you don't seem to really even know what BOIL is. It doesn't hold gas stocks, it is an instrument that leverages gas futures. And when people say that about leveraged ETFs, they usually mean something like TQQQ and UPRO, but BOIL is something completely different. Those two can at least be used for a long-term investment strategy if you also hold a hedge (see HFEA strategy) but BOIL, I don't see it being useful for any long-term investing strategy. Take the 75% profit and put that money somewhere else because it will not go up infinitely and natural gas prices are incredibly volatile. Take the win and move on.

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Long term holdings won't produce exactly the same return's. Say Nat Gas rips 30% in a week. You won't get exactly 60% return on the share price. Same w TQQQ and UPRO. Meant to be traded daily or in a few days. That and fees and decay happen in LETF.

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I hope there is a crash again so I can buy more UPRO

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UPRO or SOXL tommorrow and then exit next week after the numbers get reported?

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I also have UPRO as my "safe" investment.

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UPRO : target 49

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I got SPXU and UVXY calls, and UPRO puts, 7/29 exp. Bought right at the top on SPY. This market is retarded, no reason I can't be retarded too.

I got SPXU and UVXY calls, and UPRO puts, 7/29 exp. Bought right at the top on SPY. This market is retarded, no reason I can't be retarded too.

> In my opinion therefore, it would be rational right now, to price in my higher future income, and leverage up, buy $1 million in S&P 500 right now (on a margin of $200k) instead of a smaller amount, to have more time exposure. No. Too much margin. You can maybe try a little UPRO if you want but be careful of volatility. > a liquidation of this $200k would not affect my quality of life Yeah, right. > Leverage would be free, with futures. Futures are not free, there is a financing cost I believe.

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UPRO currently has 2 billion assets under management, more than any time between inception and 2021. I don’t see why they would close down when they can simply keep charging the expense ratio. It’s a very popularly traded ticker

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>According to PorfolioVisualizer's backtest, it does seem to work. I believe only a prolonged consecutive downturns (e.g. -20% per year for 5 years) will hurt UPRO's recovery. > >However, my main concern is, will Proshares give up after 5 down years, close the fund and return 17% back to us, or will it persevere for 20-30 years to double the CAGR vs SPY. Right, I get what you mean. When SPY plunged mid FEB 2020, it took till Aug 2020 to reach last all time high. But UPRO took until Dec 2020 to recover till all time high. If the current bear market turns out to be a recession, it'll take me a few years before i see a positive on my unrealized. Like you, I guess my biggest concern is Proshares going to be able to continue the fund and meet it's objectives. But since Proshares manages some of the largest leveraged funds and the funds have a 10+ years history, I feel a bit safer putting money there long term. No matter the investment, there's always a risk. So, best not to put all your money in a single fund or single company I guess. Thanks for sharing.

According to [PorfolioVisualizer's backtest](https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio?s=y&timePeriod=4&startYear=2009&firstMonth=1&endYear=2022&lastMonth=12&calendarAligned=true&includeYTD=false&initialAmount=10000&annualOperation=0&annualAdjustment=0&inflationAdjusted=true&annualPercentage=0.0&frequency=4&rebalanceType=1&absoluteDeviation=5.0&relativeDeviation=25.0&leverageType=0&leverageRatio=0.0&debtAmount=0&debtInterest=0.0&maintenanceMargin=25.0&leveragedBenchmark=false&reinvestDividends=true&showYield=false&showFactors=false&factorModel=3&portfolioNames=false&portfolioName1=Portfolio+1&portfolioName2=Portfolio+2&portfolioName3=Portfolio+3&symbol1=SPY&allocation1_1=100&symbol2=UPRO&allocation2_2=100), it does seem to work. I believe only a prolonged consecutive downturns (e.g. -20% per year for 5 years) will hurt UPRO's recovery. However, my main concern is, will Proshares give up after 5 down years, close the fund and return 17% back to us, or will it persevere for 20-30 years to double the CAGR vs SPY.

*"Never hold leveraged ETFs long term man there is leverage decay, rebalancing risk they were only designed for short term trading man"* Literally every single article and finance YouTuber repeats the same thing. I am sure you heard this 1000 times before but is it really true? Surely the current market downturn would perfectly demonstrate just how terrible it is to hold leveraged ETFs during a crash? Lets look at 5 year returns: $SPY = +56% $UPRO = **+100.98%** $QQQ = +102.53% $TQQQ = **+186.83%** So much for that leverage "decay" am I right? Looks like anyone who purchased leveraged ETFs 5 years ago even after the massive correction we experienced still outperformed. *Conclusion:* time to go all in full leverage.

Bought SOXL, TNA, and UPRO in April 2020 Covid time frame And sold it all in Nov 2021, cashed out huge. Potential for big returns or big losses with these. I bought a huge stake recently on 7/6 at 11.97 SOXL. Wish me luck!

Ive got lots of my portfolio in 3x ETF's (TECL, TQQQ, UPRO, SOXL), which I bought early 2022 so that's been fun... still HODLing though... Maybe one day it'll recover?

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So if i get this properly, in addition to having. UPRO or SPXL & getting 3x daily s&p return, there now might be a a 3x bull etf that only owns Tesla, etc?

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UPRO gooder

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