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I have 50k in loaned money all in leveraged etfs (UPRO/TQQQ)
The "bull case" for SpaceX: re-running the Tesla dilution playbook?
The "bull case" for SpaceX: re-running the Tesla dilution playbook?
I hold UPRO above the 200day SMA, since selling in March and reentering in early April here's my performance
Is UPRO a good long term hold?
Long UPRO shares instead of SPY calls for a 2-week directional view — critique my structure choice
UPRO $432 YOLO, avg 99.16, stop at 105: poor man's 3x SPY trade
I am building Aurora, the world’s only truly Autonomous Algorithmic Trading Agent
What would you do if you had $5,000 per month to invest at 30?
(05/23) Trump Comments Causing Market Volatility! - Interesting Stocks Today
(05/23) Trump Comments Causing Market Volatility! - Interesting Stocks Today
More lucrative and capital efficient alternatives to SPY and QQQ for selling CCs and CSPs?
How to hedge portfolio and trade amid this market
Bought in an hour ago, now looking to sell — what pattern day trading rules apply to me?
It you are looking to buy the bottom wouldn’t it be best to buy triple the upside with UPRO?
Lost $671K This Week—But I'm More Bullish Than Ever (Strategy Notes Inside)
Can someone please explain in simple terms whether/how an ETP is inherently riskier than a corresponding ETF?
Why is TQQQ / UPRO not considered a good long term investment?
Does a 1/3 3x Equity ETF & 2/3 cash make sense now with cash paying 5%?
Crayon eating journey with my day trading retirement account (Roth IRA) from 7/22 to 3/23
Calculating the expected annual tax drag of a portfolio due to rebalancing
Are there downsides to leveraged index ETFs if you have a long time horizon?
How do you accurately calculate percentage change?
Can leveraged etfs go to zero without index being down 33%+?
The Recession has already happened, and you missed it
America is fine. Our economy is Serena Williams ass, we are going smash glaciers like global warming and as the rest of the world crashes. We are going to bounce very hard into our next evolution. Expect to see the Great Roaring 20s of the 21st century.
Why are leveraged ETFs like UPRO discouraged for long term holding, when just looking at "what if I bought $1000 in year X" pretty consistently shows a 3x return over S&P over those years?
Is it possible to spend all my fund and margin fund on leverage eft and crypto?
38% win rate is enough to beat the market, all you need is consistency
thoughts on my return stacked leveraged ETF portfolios?
Thoughts on my return stacked leveraged portfolios?
thoughts on my return stacked and leveraged portfolios?
Dodged a bullet today with a risk that I would have never foreseen. Way out-of-whack valuation on way otm contract.
Is there something I'm missing? Leverage ETFs seem great.
my boyfriend is obsessed with investing and it worries me?
Backtested a Volatility Strategy From an Academic Paper, Beat Market by 4x
Backtesting a $100k UPRO portfolio with long $HYG puts as a hedge (replacing TMF in HFEA, the Hedgefundie portfolio)
Backtested a Volatility Strategy From an Academic Paper, Beat Market by 4x
Call to Action; FINRA Notice 22-08 (Important if you trade UPRO, TQQQ, TMF)
What are the risks when short selling a leveraged inverse ETF like SQQQ? Other ways to capture value from volatility drag?
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What about leveraged bros? SOXL, UPRO, TQQQ
50% UPRO, 50% TQQQ YTD so last week doesnt make much impact
Im somewhat new to investing but my understanding is Leverage etfs can work for long term (25 years+) too Since yes it might go to -95% but eventually it'll climb back up and then maybe out preform again Now, does that apply to UPRO, maybe TQQQ, maybe less so? Idk To the Leverage this post is about, ive got no clue All I know is only pussies sell, let them liquidate me, fuck em lol
can’t relate only holding QQQ, SOXX, and UPRO
**BanBet Lost** — /u/PureSpecialistROTMG (2W - 2L, 50%) | Ticker | Entry → Target | Move | Time | Result | |:---:|:---:|:---:|:---:|:---:| | **UPRO** ▼ | $145.67 → $131.10 | -10.0% | 3w | Lost |
UPRO Throw all your money and someone else's at SPY
If you're younger and willing to bare risk, look into leveraged ETFs such as UPRO and TQQQ. Highly contested topic though.
Just hold some UPRO you get the leverage with an unlimited time horizon.
Mostly joking but is there an actual reason we shouldn't all just UPRO or SOXL and chill lmao.
Bro I just dump all my money in VOO and UPRO IDK what you're talking about I'm just here for the memes.
**BanBet Created** ▼ | **Record:** 2W - 1L | Ticker | Target | Entry | Move | Expires | |:---:|:---:|:---:|:---:|:---:| | **UPRO** | $131.10 (below) | $145.67 | -10.0% | Oct 9, 4:22 PM |
!banbet UPRO -10% 3w
Can't get link to open or need to register. Theres Notional Leverage GDE,RSSt, etc... and Real Leverage UPRO, TQQQ. etc.. and Fake Leverage = Margin or other borrowing. Notional is fine, the others have their pitfalls but also have their advantages, ie. Inverse Leverage, Shorting, etc.... Keep reading and you will find what works best for you... GL
Of course, investment horizon is personalized. Who knows when someone will need the money. But without knowing the rest of someone's portfolio, you'd be an absolute fool to assume the total beta of someone's portfolio. Additionally, if past returns are all that matters then you should be chasing momentum and leveraged trades with ETFs like SPMO or UPRO, both of which crush an international dividend ETF. If you just want to chase alpha, and that's your criteria for success, there are much better ETFs than VYMI haha But I think you know that, or are very dense, because over and over, you're missing the point I'm making in that VXUS isn't comparable to VYMI. Doesn't seem like you're trying to have a productive conversation and are just a miserable person so I'm going to move on. Cheers.
Do not sell covered calls against your leveraged ETF unless you’re totally okay letting them go. I’m have some cash sitting around waiting for SPY to hit weekly oversold condition. Once it does I’m buying SOXL, Tqqq, SPXL, UPRO, LABU, FAS, RAM, DFEN
That is the key trade-off. The cash/options sleeve can make the drawdown path look better, but it is still exposed to assignment, volatility expansion, and a long recovery in the leveraged sleeve. I’d size the UPRO piece from the worst-case path, not the average return.
Technically it did, on old reddit the formatting doesn't work. I've never used AI for rabbit before. I just didn't really care about the result either way as I'm never investing in something even more concentrated than VOO. I'm just leveraged to the tits on UPRO.
TQQQ has 20x the options OI than UPRO. Early in my options "career", I remember getting a UPRO put, way OTM with a nice premium dated 1/2027 (this was a year and a half ago). It had only my contracts and one other. So the guy with the other set the ask to 2x or more the strike. I could not close it without losing big time. It was frozen for a year.
Been running UPRO covered strangles for about a year now, the decay can bite if vol spikes but the premiums are chunky enough to keep me interested. just gotta watch position sizing like a hawk micros are cleaner for leverage honestly, no decay to fight and you can tailor delta exactly how you want
This is why you buy QQQ AND UPRO best of both worlds
So I’m a little different. Let’s say I have a $3,000,000 acct. One option is to put all into VOO. I’d instead choose to put $1,000,000 into UPRO and get similar returns, I know it’s not exactly the same, but just giving you a simple example, and use the other $2,000,000 for other stuff. First you collect interest on the $2,000,000. Second you can sell almost worthless options and get roughly a 12% return on this. In reality it feels like getting huge dividends every month or like collecting rent income. But with the combination of the two, the monthly returns, help to feed the faster growth. And let’s imagine the market goes down 33%. The guy with 3 mil in VOO is down a million. Me with 1 mil in UPRO am down close to a million but not quite. But I’m still collecting interest and returns on the $2 million That’s relatively safe.
I’m holding QQQ, VT, VGT, SOXX and UPRO how regarded is this?
I’m buying UPRO cause I need that dopamine rush
Just buy UPRO and chill if you trust VOO
Thnx, But adding MFs don't help VT Total return. And I guess I'm saying VT by itself is already a low performer in Growth. Some years here and there beat S&P. VT by itself is a Low risk, adding MFs is just gonna bring your TR down, not really your Heart Rate. While I run with TECL & USD w/ MF's, now there it's a Great help and will beat it's underling's SPY, QQQ easy with lower DD and profit during years like 2022. MF's work better with like TQQQ/TECL/QLD than UPRO/SSO etc... More TR and Lower drawdown NDX100 vs S&P. They just do more for more High Risk ventures.
Buy a leveraged ETF, then collar it via a calendar spread, sort of. Lolwut? Like this: buy UPRO, sell a call or three at a delta of around 25, one month out. Buy puts underneath at around half the delta, but two months out. The calls give you income. The puts protect against a crash. The calls pay for the puts. On occasion the price will blow past your calls and force you to roll at a loss, and you'll make less than some other guy who just bought and held that ETF. But on other occasions the price will crater and the calls will go to zero and the puts will be in the money, and you'll do way better than that guy. The options protect the capital you invested. You're in a leveraged ETF so you're already making some multiple of the market. Don't worry, a lot of it will get eaten when you have to roll the calls unprofitably. This isn't a way to time or beat the market, it's a way to more or less match it but with money left over to put in something safe like BIL, which will give you a steady income. You're not trying to beat the market, just make something like 6% a year, more or less, steadily. That's it.
Guys I have an old account with $4000 in it. Probably can’t ever add to it again (long story). What’s something I can buy $4000 of now and just let it ride forever? UPRO?
It's crazy. You literally can buy SPYQ or even UPRO every dip and you're green. I have small amounts for fun because a part of me deep down inside realizes they will never let it crash. And I have never been punished yet at all. Every buy goes green.
It's crazy. You literally can buy SPYQ or even UPRO every dip and you're green. I have small amounts for fun because a part of me deep down inside realizes they will never let it crash. And you're literally never punished.
I had a crazy dream where I threw my entire port into a 50/50 UPRO/XDTE split, reinvesting XDTE yields to maintain the balance, and trimming UPRO into SGOV at 70/30 overweight, then deploying half of SGOV back in if there’s a 20% S&P drawdown. Fuck. I need to stop falling asleep with a nicotine patch on…
Weird time to full port into UPRO
Exactly AMD not doing so great after hours - will pulldown the whole segment. China memory advancement brings down the whole segment. UPRO and TQQQ are easier to stomach imo.
you mean UPRO is just less volatile.
UPRO is much more forgiving - as it holds 500 companies vs SOXL - which only holds 30. For example say someone bought at peak for SOXL (early last month). They are still down 53 percent today. Compared to UPRO - you are up 3 or 4 percent.
well that applies to TQQQ and UPRO as well
TQQQ and UPRO looking good today. Easier than picking a solo winner
Hey casino, if I wanted to go aggressive on a side IRA, would you do 50/50 UPRO/SGOV with volatility rebalance or 75/25 SSO/SGOV?
I dropped 200k of UPRO on Friday. Oops.
Alright. Just bought $100k of UPRO. MN I hope tomorrow is green.
Sort of. I’m short puts on SPMO and UPRO, which contain some MU.
UPRO seems safer for now bro
100% SPYU in taxable sounds like it fits here lol I’ll be back to post when it’s a crazy graph like holding UPRO for a decade 🫡
waste of time, better off with half in UPRO or TQQQ during a bull market, buy up any good dips etc
Made a quick 60% on UPRO. Done for the day have fun gents
Join r/LETFs and read up. There’s also an entire research paper written on trading in and out of UPRO based upon the 200dma. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2741701
Thanks, yea maybe I should stay away from stock leveraged funds. If I went with UPRO I'd probably need to practice paper trading first to come up with an entrance/exit strategy I'm guessing?
Single stocks are going to be more risky than putting it in something like SSO which is 2x the S&P. You could go with UPRO, which is 3x, if you use some form of entrance/exit strategy. Single stock leveraged funds are quite risky, especially something like MUU that’s already seen a massive run. I consider them riskier than even a 3x like UPRO or TQQQ.
UPRO requires additional capital to hold, also don't like the volatility and loss potential of it. This is purely a yield pickup strategy
Why not just add like 2% UPRO instead
Interesting….Might have to add to UPRO.
Two things to address before picking the structure, plus a sanity check on whether options is the right vehicle at all. First, your 72% win rate is on the underlying hitting 1%, not on your option P&L being positive. If SPY hits 1.0% on Tuesday and closes Friday up 0.6%, an ATM call you bought Monday may still be down on theta. Rerun the backtest on actual option P&L, not the underlying hit rate. That's the metric that decides everything. Second, your edge is directional, not vol. Naked ATM calls expose you to both, which is wasteful. Bull call spread (buy ATM, sell at your +1% hurdle target) isolates the directional bet from the vol bet. Use the weekly that expires Friday, not 30DTE. Your forecast horizon is one week; a 30DTE option has 3 weeks of theta you paid for but won't use. Sanity check on the bigger question. Your Scalper avg return is 0.33% of the underlying. After option mechanics that's maybe 5-8% on premium, before commissions and bid-ask. The Holder variant gets 0.58% but the win rate drops to 58% which is barely above baseline 57%. There's a real chance the model's edge gets eaten by option transaction costs at this magnitude. Worth running a parallel backtest on SHARES with leverage (SSO or UPRO) and comparing net Sharpe before committing to options at all.
UPRO:VOO 40:60 and rebalance at 20% drift from target allocation
You can trade it, or you can make money above the 2x or 3x daily multiple investing long-term. Tell me why TQQQ and QLD or UPRO and SSO are far above 3x and 2x gains, respectively above their underlying index for the same timeframe
lol of course my stupid bid on UPRO calls filled with 2 minutes to go.
I just bought 30 grand of UPRO. Just a quick selloff. When we pump you pump we pump. Good luck, chucklefucks.
TQQQ or UPRO feels a lot safer than IGV.
Hey everyone, I’m 24 and I’m trying out a lifecycle investing strategy using leverage while I’m young. Right now my allocation is: 43.75% UPRO, 56.25% VXUS This gives me around 70/30 US/international exposure, which is what I’m aiming for... So 1.875 leverage. My plan is to rebalance using 5/20 bands. Basically I’d partially rebalance when things drift to the inner bands, and more seriously rebalance if they hit the outer bands. Any DCA money and dividends would also go toward rebalancing instead of just buying whatever. I’m planning to start deleveraging around age 32. I'm not sure when ill be completely deleveraged though, but I think around 40 potentially. Would appreciate any thoughts or criticism.
#Why buy SPY when QQQ is pumping 3x more and their down days are almost similar? #QQQ is basically UPRO at this point without the leverage and fees.
Why buy SPY when QQQ is pumping 3x more and their down days are almost similar? QQQ is basically UPRO at this point without the leverage and fees.
Like hell. 20% downturns happen. I’ll keep my UPRO with a cash hedge.
Go to r/letfs. And recognize that decay is amplified by both borrowing costs and beta/volatility. I personally like SSO and UPRO best for LETFs. I haven’t backtested your strategy and have no specific opinion on it.
I know I’m 10 days late, but why’d you pick SPXL over UPRO?
>[*“Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world -- "No, YOU move.”*](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fi1un7mkv3dr11.jpg) I still think bears are dumb af. I was bullish AF in 2022 and 2023, started deleveraging out of UPRO in 2024, got out of BRZU 2025 while building up 10-20% cash/note/defensive position, got out of INTC 2026, and hopefully will deleverage out of TNA/URTY/UWM to IWM/UWM this year or next year if it doesn't collapse. Lowering leverage from 2-3x and single stocks to more defensive mix is a process and not a fucking sell out complete 1 day before black Monday.
>Everyday I get closer to never wanting to look at a chart until this corrupt piece of shit is out of office u/Rez-_- As a bear I'm this 🤏 close to fully crack mentally soon. Go full port UPRO, delete my app, never check markets if printer is still on next FOMC. 25 days left.
I know an accredited investor who has multiple 7figs. They don't have allocations to those either outside of their VOO/SSO/GOOG/BAC/MSFT shares. Easiest way to get exposure is via GOOG/BAC (SpaceX), MSFT/AMZN/NVDA/9984 (OpenAI), and CRM/ZM (Anthropic). Then if you own VOO/SSO/UPRO or QQQs which owns many of these companies then you'll have some indirect exposure to these companies by proxy as well. Alternatively there are a few etfs that let you get exposure by proxy too.
>BERS SEETHE AND CRY😂 I'm too dead inside to cry. Another dovish FOMC and printing through mooning inflation and I'm going to shove a glass jar in my asshole and squeeze tight, hope for the best. AKA full port UPRO.
I'm too dead inside to cry. Another dovish FOMC, money printer going BRRrrrrr through mooning inflation and I'm going to break a glass jar in my asshole. AKA full port UPRO.
OP have you seen the [UPRO/TMF strategy](https://www.optimizedportfolio.com/hedgefundie-adventure/)? Adding some bonds to help with recovery if the leveraged ETF drops again might be a good risk mitigation.
At this point I just buy and hold UPRO. It’s worked surprisingly well.
Just buy 80% SPY and 20% UPRO and you will beat SPY without the concentration risk. Or full port SSO, you’ll have the same volatility and drawdowns as all these meme stock picks but good long term returns. Or QLD if you want tech, its better then 100% in just 8 tech names. If you asked this question in 1999 people would have told you to buy JDSU, CSCO, INTC, QCOM, WCOM, SUNW, DELL, ORCL. Some went to zero, some were dead money for 10-20 years.
Thx. I think I might quit trading options for good and jump into TQQQ or UPRO. I have been doing some stock trading on my wife’s IRA (we turned off options for her) and looks like ai have solid returns with stocks
If you are using leveraged ETFs, at least compare yourself with the leveraged SP500 no? SPXL/UPRO. SPXL is up 105% over the past 2 years -> You generated no alpha
Someone told me SOXL, TQQQ, SNXX, MUU, UPRO 1/5 each is better?
That's why you go 1-3x Russell 2000 with IWM/UWM/TNA to cover you bases on TQQQ/QQQ, UPRO/SSO, or whatever megacaps you have.
Great question, friend! I feel similarly. However, when I give into the dark urges and spin the options roulette wheel I hit some winners but my overall was negative. What’s more, I took money out of TQQQ and UPRO to make bets. If I had simply left my money in those two ETFs I would have done much better.
Tesla's addition to the S&P 500 on December 21, 2020 didn't kill index investing, but the big gains were already made by the investors who got in early. If you bought TSLA on the day it joined the S&P 500, but you would have [dramatically underperformed the S&P 500](https://testfol.io/?s=4ckoqvB5ItF) at much greater volatility. In fact, you would have worse returns than you parked 25% your portfolio in SGOV, but your volatility would be higher than even 3x daily leveraged UPRO and similar to TQQQ (don't do this). | Ticker | Cumulative Return | CAGR | Max Drawdown | Volatility | Sharpe | |:--|:--|:--|:--|:--|:--| | TSLA | +84.07% | +12.03% | -73.63% | 59.39% | 0.43 | | VOO | +114.93% | +15.31% | -24.53% | 16.66% | 0.75 | | 75% VOO, 25% SGOV | +87.47% | +12.41% | -18.49% | 12.45% | 0.75 | | UPRO | +288.24% | +28.73% | -63.94% | 49.86% | 0.69 | | TQQQ | +245.49% | +25.96% | -81.65% | 66.48% | 0.63 |
The math isn't wrong but the assumption is. 100:1 leverage means a 1% move against you wipes your entire position. A 15% drawdown tolerance doesn't apply here — you'll get margin called long before that. Brokers close leveraged positions automatically, they don't let you "wait it out." The war on Iran example is exactly the kind of event that causes massive overnight gaps. Markets can drop 5-8% in a single candle before you can react. At 100:1 that's game over before you even wake up. If you want leveraged S&P exposure, 2x or 3x ETFs (like SSO or UPRO) are brutal enough for most people. 100:1 on $5000 is not investing, it's gambling with a margin call timer running in the background.
Let's say we accept the premise of 2.42x leverage (or 1.5x, or whatever), the mechanism through which you get that leverage is imperfect. Leveraged ETFs kinda suck (look at performance of UPRO and SPY since Jan of '22 as one data point). You could borrow against your portfolio to buy more SPY, and then you have to take interest (and liquidation risk) into account. Leverage isn't free, and should be taken into account in any modeling you do.
I only trade broad market.... qqq, spy, soxx. Im always invested. The only thing I do is increase or decrease my leverage. Wheb volatility spikes and RSI dips I start selling qqq/spy/soxx and start buying TQQQ/UPRO/SOXL. When we see a dip over 20% i start buying leaps. As the market recoveres I sell my leveraged positions and start back buying spy/qqq/soxx This keeps me invested at all times, I lose less on the downturns than I make on the recovery, and the only real risk is on the LEAPs.
No one knows about supply shocks but if I had to guess? Probably look for the high quality among the cheapies (Mag8 dips, MSFT among Saaspolocypse, LVMH/NKE to play the rebounds instead of say TPR, strong industrials like DAL if it dips), inflation hedges like gold if it's below $4k or pricing power strength via AXP/V/MA on better PE valuations, probably deleveraging from UPRO to SSO and SSO to VOO now, commodities might be good but it's too hard to guess, RE if you can afford it, and probably don't hold too much cash but if you do then probably just a small amount in ST notes. I think this cause I see inflation coming down the pipeline.
Man I’ve been swing-trading UPRO based off social media posts. And slaying it.
I bought 100k of UPRO at the ATH… this is going to go very very well for me, I just know it!
My annual proof of membership to r/wallstreetbets. Here's last [year 2024](https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1htpaje/1_year_65_options_760k_naked_put_option_downside/) Anyways, some wallstreetbet brothers suggested that I shift focus more towards selling index or SPY. Turns out selling SPY puts is indeed a pretty handy trick when 🌈🐻 don't bite for other options. Liberation day lead to me getting called on a few of my puts but luckily I had the cash on hand to cover. Sadly I sold out of the TNA/UPRO I got assigned as soon as they were break even or had gains (so I could immediately sell more puts).
SSO, UPRO for SP. People use QLD and TQQQ for the Q’s, but I don’t mess with those.
I sell puts on SPMO and UPRO.
https://preview.redd.it/hgnweqs82mvg1.png?width=2364&format=png&auto=webp&s=6703b7d77710d01cb365cd4f7b7c7090d4d21d57 Strong breakout on 6 hours, Market is pricing in the war ending, Long on UPRO, regime is changing and expect a sharp breakout to continue
Tell them UPRO was the move. It’s right there in the name.
So you posted "This is going to be a beautiful quarter for put holders and an extinction-level event for anyone who bought calls", didn't mention UPRO in your positions and are now claiming you hedged with calls, you didn't stop out as of 3 days ago at which point you'd already be at max loss, and you're now posting about a bullish thesis! XD You are a top tier regard!
https://preview.redd.it/99g8i7i03fvg1.png?width=1558&format=png&auto=webp&s=479acf7703192e275036efbdf276ba1fa2fb4561 Lol what loss, I was hedged with UPRO
https://preview.redd.it/yeoyw8vx2fvg1.png?width=1558&format=png&auto=webp&s=5614254b2a9ed88d7507aea55b6913dfb1ca976a It's ok had UPRO that saved my OTM cent puts lol
Considering I hedged with UPRO, and the options were deep OTM, no lol. Learn about greeks buddy. Learn about exponential hedges, I don't deploy everything I ratio bet. I can do fundamental anaylsis, It does not matter if the chief cheeto breaks international and domestic law lol, did you see the CTC investigation
Considering I hedged with UPRO, and the options were deep OTM, no lol. Learn about greeks buddy. Learn about exponential hedges, I don't deploy everything I ratio bet. I can do fundamental anaylsis, It does not matter if the chief cheeto breaks international and domestic law lol, did you see the CTC investigation
Considering I hedged with UPRO, and the options were deep OTM, no lol. Learn about greeks buddy. Learn about exponential hedges, I don't deploy everything I ratio bet. I can do fundamental anaylsis, It does not matter if the chief cheeto breaks international and domestic law lol, did you see the CTC investigation