CW

petragta

Don’t put half of your coins, put 100% into cold wallet. If you « move your ass » to buy a CW and transfer even 50% of your stack, you should go for everything! Don’t play with the 50% left The biggest supply shock in history will arrive in 2024 when Gold inflation rate will be upon the Bitcoin one (0,8% for BTC vs 1,4% for Gold)

joesus-christ

But it's not "his" wallet - Blockchain (the company, not the technology) is a really dody exchange - at one pont I believe CW was involved somehow? I'm sure in a few years people will lose a lot of coins there. The only benefit of that exchange is easy onboarding and they make it quite simple to take your coins off their platform and put them into your own wallet. Besides that, they're a high-fee, lack-of-reserves, centralised shitshow who use every excuse possible to stop you from accessing your coins if you step away for long enough that their value rises. They gamble on their users gambling and losing.

CryptogenicallyFroze

It’s more likely that CW is SBFs dad than Satoshi.

KaydeeKaine

Not CW

HSuke

ARK and Cathie Wood have made headlines for their eye-opening Tesla and Bitcoin predictions over the years. **CW predicted $105000 (post-split) TSLA by 2025 prediction** in 2018, which was then revised to $9000 in 2021. These are far off from TSLA's current value of $180, and TSLA has never gone above $410. She has also made a $500k BTC prediction for 2025, and then doubled down on it at $1.5M BTC by 2030. **Realistically, why should we believe your Bitcoin predictions given how badly the TSLA ones have gone?** In addition, your flagship ARKK ETF has underperformed or tied the S&P 500 every year since 2017 except for 2020? All ARK funds dropped 70% from 2021 to 2022 and have stayed 60-70% down. In comparison, NASDAQ and S&P500 stocks have recovered and are now 20% above their 2021 peaks. ARKK is still at its 2018 level while most index funds are up 80-200%. Why should we ever put any trust in ARK or Cathie Wood? **Sources**: * https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/tesla-shares-could-reach-7000-in-next-5-years-catherine-wood-says.html * https://www.ark-invest.com/articles/valuation-models/tesla-price-target-2 * https://www.yahoo.com/news/cathie-wood-560-000-bitcoin-212000464.html * https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2024/01/11/cathie-wood-sees-bitcoin-price-reaching-15m-by-2030-after-etf-approval/ (Note that TSLA has had 2 splits: 5-1 on August 31, 2020, and 3-1 on August 25, 2022. That means $15 of TSLA in 2024 is worth $1 of TSLA in 2019.)

ThRed_Beard

Cold card is high up on my list but I'm also fully aware that user error is more likely to get me than a scammer. Bitbox02 seems to be safe and user friendly. May I ask why you would recommend the CW Mk4 over BB02?

jwwxtnlgb

Fuck CW

UltraHyperDonkeyDick

I had no idea about this, and I am not at all surprised. I wonder how much of the bsv sub have read this. They all seem to be CW apologists or best and unhinged at worst. Are they beyond saving?

Effective_Device_185

CW is such a knucklehead. Tired of hearing his name as he looks for infamy.

5tu

"You see the thing with DKIM is it uses ECDSA256 to prove authenticity of emails, I use custom merkle tree hash tables to ensure my emails were signed securely and but google isn't smart enough to understand this. That, your honour, is why that faked email arrived and I couldn't have tampered with it". Rubbish like that which uses technical buzz words goes over some people's heads got him so far, luckily the Judge had an engineering background and saw straight through the compounding lies he kept making up. The COPA lawyer was amazing too, keeping his cool while CW tried to keep taking him along aimless paths to escape effective cross examination.

HSuke

I look forward to the perjury case. CW has caused so much harm to others by suing them over his false patents. This is beyond early Steve Jobs level of fraud and criminality. This is Elizabeth Holmes level of fraud.

FragBabyZ

Would LOVE to help you but I actually lost the CW while on holiday AND can't remember where the 24 words to access it are either sorry. Guess I lost them too. My bad :(

HSuke

The judge's ruling should include legally changing CW's name to "Craig Wrong"

StatisticalMan

She is a complete loon who has lost people an absolute fortune. I would trust what homeless man tells me about building wealth before I take advice/predictions from CW.

HSuke

At least Jim Cramer's record is about 60% accurate. CW wishes she were that good. (Why are people even up voting these articles)

Secure-Rich3501

Craig Wright sells his million plus Bitcoin and buys bsv with it. All bow to the court proven Lord Satoshi himself CW, the Block wars renew and bsv wins

IndependentSwan2086

I didn't get it, sorry. What i do is taking fiat and send it to an exchange, convert it into btc and send it to my CW. What/how should I do it?

Contralogic

CW is special

parishiIt0n

Mixed feelings. WW3 and CW2 are not gonna be nice

UtahJohnnyMontana

Considering the wealth held by whales, I'm pretty sure that if CW could actually do anything to gain control of Bitcoin, he would have disappeared by now.

untethered_cosmonaut

It will soon be revealed that CW, disatisfied with Quill's pad design in 2008, conceived his own novel redesign going so far as to have some mockups printed (including the Quill logo and the fictional item number 01916). He submitted a mockup to Quill in 2008, seeking a commission, but they ignored his proposal and simply stole his redesign when they began printing it in 2012. As a kind of sick joke, Quill actually used the same fictional tem number just to spite him but also to make it look like he was making absurd claims about possessing such a pad in 2008—should he ever proceed with a copyright case. Meanwhile, CW simply used the remaining mockups he had lying around for years, never realizing that they could be used against him in the they way they are now. Expect him to file an IP suit against Quill in the very near future.

Buttcoinmodssuck

Nothing. It’s a worthless chain that was delisted. Smart money is in Bitcoin not BCH. Didn’t help that CW is being proven to be a serial forger. I don’t feel bad for BCH gamblers, they sided with corporate interests during the blocksize wars and have continued to ignore facts about the value of BCH despite facts. Just take one look at BCH/BTC chart and it’s obvious that BCH is dead.

CryptoYuzu

Why are they bothering in proceeding with the court case when there are so many lies from CW?

jadequarter

CW will forever go down in flames

HSuke

Not CW's emails. From an early core devs.

ecafyelims

For someone claiming to be Satoshi, CW makes a lot of very obvious technical mistakes. If CW was really Satoshi, it would be extremely simple to demonstrate it -- just sign a message.

Nonchalant_Calypso

Honestly I’m more interested in the backstory we’re getting and how much I’m learning about how crypto works at a deep level (the emails especially). And CW’s temper tantrums are a little funny ngl.

TissueUnflawed

> CW could hire someone to do his programming dirty work He already has, in his shitcoin. Several people are suggesting his real intention (maybe a fallback) is to use that facility to award BSV to himself, whether he wins or not

Ajax_ZQN

Correct. He would also have to establish that as Satoshi Nakamoto he is owed a duty of care by the bitcoin dev, which duty requires them to build back doors in bitcoin core to allow him to recover his lost coins without the associated private key. Aside from that being a *very* long bow to draw from a legal perspective, even if such a duty could be established no current bitcoin dev would agree to program such functionality (it goes against the entire ethos of bitcoin - “don’t trust, verify”). I expect they they would prefer simply to cease their involvement, and bitcoin core development would pause at release 25.1. CW could hire someone to do his programming dirty work, I suppose - judging by the demonstrable lack of programming skills as evidenced by his cross examination, he certainly could not do it himself. But even if CW could get bitcoin core altered to permit a backdoor, it would have to be done as a hard fork which could not be enforced by any court order. The 18,581 nodes currently supporting the network, plus the 524 EH/s of mining power, would simply not run the forked code. So, the reality is - even if CW wins, he loses. And Bitcoin doesn’t care - it keeps merrily ticking, forever.

Excellent_Boss_1282

How can the core developers assign the satoshi coins to CW? Didn't think it was possible to get access to coins if the keys were lost.

Halo22B

You need a wallet software....to actually interface with your UTXOs and manage them. It will require your XPUB/XPRIV in order to do that. It will also require access to the internet. This is where lack of knowledge or worse overestimation of your level of understanding will lead to loss of your BTC. Get a Cold Wallet that is open source and has a solid track record. Let it produce your Private Key. Export this private key (airgapoed) to a software wallet to manage your UTXOs. Only your CW can sign any UTXOs. Setup and backup appropriately

7366241494

CW is not talking to people in the marketing department by the water cooler. He is trying to prove competence in a highly technical case which is reviewing source code line by line, asking him directly to describe the code in order to prove his technical acumen.

7366241494

I also have been coding for decades, since childhood, and it is obvious to a real programmer that CW’s response is bullshit. “Unsigned” is a technical term with a very specific meaning, not a casual description of something. CW’s response quite clearly implies he doesn’t know what the technical definition of unsigned is. Imagine asking an engine mechanic what the spark plugs do and they replied with “they make sparks.”

Keith_Kong

Ok. But you didn’t provide a real “why” since everything g you said was attacking a straw man interpretation of the OP. This has devolved and ultimately I agree that CW was most likely being a dunce in the context. Let’s end this 😂

Keith_Kong

He’s not saying it wasn’t obvious. He’s saying that using the word in the definition sarcastically could feel justified as a response if you are so used to the terminology that it feels the explanation is not actually needed. More likely CW is just being a dunce here though. He likes to be verbose as shit when he actually knows what he’s talking about.

_Commando_

Wen jail CW?

3catparty

I would guess he'd make a case for Bitcoin developers to release all of Satoshi's BTC to him. That many billions of $$$ should be enough incentive to become a mega-fraud. Funny how CW didn't come out of the woodwork until BTC started having some value.

Buttcoinmodssuck

The biggest clue that CW isn’t SN is CW personality. He is attention seeking and self serving, antithetical to Satoshi. Creating a protocol and leaving is a demonstration of selflessness. CW could never be Satoshi because his ego would’ve never allowed him to leave 15 years ago.

Burning_Okra

I often wonder if Craig Wright is part of some scam to find Satoshi, by bullshitting so much they are forced to respond, and then they can be hunted down for all those old BTC Or maybe CW is just a dick

1UazZNfbWi

Dave Kleiman was Satoshi. After he died, CW slid into his shoes and assumed the identity of SN. Dave's laptop and phone were left to his brother Ira. Ira's wife wanted a laptop so he formatted the hard drive and gave it to her. He gave the 'phone away. It took CW a few years to stop making basic mistakes about bitcoin. His only route to those early coins now is to ask a Court to compel the Core Developers to assign them to him (hence the dogged pursuit of the SN identity). Prove me wrong. For further information: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n13/andrew-ohagan/the-satoshi-affair

reclamerommelenzo

Of course, CW is like their Messiah.

Modrew

Well, everyone is satoshi… Anyway, I wouldn’t care too much about Craig Wright, he doesn’t deserve any discussion in bitcoin forum. Now we know who he is.  I remember an old discussion on Reddit, there was a big list of reason of why CW can’t be the Satoshi Nakamoto. Craig Wright is ignorant too because he doesn’t fully understand how Bitcoin works, it was easily demonstrated by CW himself (forum posts or cryptography claims). When you search Craig Wright on google you can read: fraud, scumbag, liar, psychopath… Do your own research, it takes less than 10 minutes to find out that he lives in his distorted metaverse and he has some serious mental issues.

reddit_revsit

CW is a legit scam piece of trash roger ver is as well.

Loafmanuk

I'm just looking forward to the bit where CW is charged with perjury for intentionally trying to mislead the court with faked documents.

_Commando_

CW should end up in jail for a long time.

jam-hay

CW is suggesting Tulip Trading has been hacked of its private keys and he's demanding Devs change the bitcoin protocol to return the Bitcoin. What I don't see is him providing any tangible evidence of the hack itself. Surely that needs to be qualified first otherwise it opens the gates to a run on Bitcoin claims.

HSuke

Evidence of CW's fraud: > **Falsely backdated Word files**: Multiple Word documents Wright provided as evidence were altered to appear as if they existed before the Bitcoin whitepaper was published. > > **Sham handwritten documents**: Multiple handwritten documents Wright pointed to as evidence of his purported creation of Bitcoin are written on pre-printed notepads that weren’t available until years after the whitepaper itself was shared by the real Satoshi in 2008. > > **Fraudulently modified PDF copies of the white paper**: Multiple PDF versions of the Bitcoin white paper provided by Wright for this litigation were deliberately altered to look like early drafts. But these contain metadata and fonts that weren't available until 2017. > > **Faked email evidence**: Numerous emails provided by Wright have falsified dates and altered sender and recipient information. Additionally, the domain used in these emails was not registered by Wright until years after the dates shown in these messages. > > **Bogus hard drive**: Last October, as the evidence in the COPA case began stacking up so dramatically against his false claims, Wright said he had just “discovered” a 2007 hard drive which had evidence of his preparatory work leading up to the white paper, 15 years after it was published. Last week, Wright’s own expert declared this hard drive to be a forgery and that some content appears to have been generated using ChatGPT.

SomeIdeasTooTalk

Yep, penalty can be anywhere from 5-10 years depending on specifics. And it seems like COPA will be going for the throat here so not surprised CW would offer settlement.

-bit-thorny-

GA was never a founder of anything. He was a huge incompetent douche bag ending up supporting scam coins and CW himself. His lies and cowardice are the biggest catalyst in the huge damage that CW managed to end up doing. CW was never anywhere "near the beginning" and most certainly not part of "the team".

Ajax_ZQN

A couple of interesting observations in relation to the [published settlement offer](https://craigwright.net/blog/bitcoin-blockchain-tech/dr-craig-wright-issues-settlement-offer-to-copa-members-and-all-parties-in-upcoming-intellectual-property-litigation/): - Nothing in it requires Craig to stop claiming he’s Satoshi Nakamoto. If I were COPSA’s legal counsel I would advise them passing on settlement on that point alone. - This paragraph in particular is absurd: **”I/we undertake to ensure that Bitcoins shall be used for the benefit of humankind broadly and not to launder funds, evade tax or assist in any other illicit behaviours. I/we shall use my/our best endeavours to comply with all international and national laws and regulations in which I/ we operate, including any laws relating to money laundering, and anti-terrorist financing, or similar initiatives where exploiting and developing Bitcoins and its technology, and where required and possible, actively seek to create code to ensure compliance”.** Why does CW care about compliance and, more importantly, why would any developer agree to this? The US / UK governments could use it as a stick to beat them with, to force KYC compliance code into Bitcoin core. What of developers who quite reasonably consider that bitcoin should be morally and jurisdictionally neutral, and that tax compliance is a matter for the courts, not for the base layer? I surmise that the majority of nodes would not accept any code that sought to implement this.

Swolley

What is CW? No number of UTXO’s is too high. What’s important is the amount of sats in each UTXO. 1m sats I’ve seen is generally recommended as a minimum. I’ve also seen 3M recommended. The higher the better without compromising privacy imo.

Lngdnzi

How many Utxo’s is too many? My wallet has 24 🤦‍♂️. Only thing is I don’t have another CW. Is it worth transferring to HW and back?

alfa-ace1

Thank you for your comment, you are the only one who answered the discussion of this topic (100% in cold wallets or better like 20% CW and 80% ETF?). Have a good day!

SmoothGoing

CW does not speak for SEC.

EatMyNutsKaren

I found Cash App to be way easier for buying BTC and I just send it to my CW.

throwaway345t632

It's just silly to point fingers at Andresen. I can work out what happened (doesn't take a genius). Someone had a word with him and he just doesn't want trouble. He did the CW thing just to take the heat and pressure off. Maybe he doesn't want to be suicided or whatever. Seems reasonable.

triflingmagoo

I’d go back to 2005 to kill CW and still be able to witness Bitcoin flourish today.

Halo22B

Step 1 stop using Ledger Live....just install electrum or Sparrow and use that to interface with your UTXOs....this stops Ledger from gathering info on a "go forward" basis. Step 2 research a new CW, all of them have tradeoffs. Which are you comfortable with. Step 3 create a new wallet with a NEW seed and passphrase. Your trying to be safe and going to some extra cost, why compromise on stamping 24 words into steel (again). Use your old wallet as a bait wallet (leave some sats).

Big_Smoke1013

Thanks! That’s comforting. I’ll try to update this post once I get the CW. Hope it goes well. Thanks!

Citizen_Kano

Saying CW is a fraud is like saying water is wet. What other people have done doesn't change that

MeisterMacon

I think anything other than burning the ancient dust to write "CW ain't Satoshi!" is definitely a bad play. The shitcoiners will definitely prove BTC superior.

Frosty-Panic

The only fee I pay is what the exchange charges me to buy BTC. Once purchased, the same amount ends up in my CW after those steps I outlined above

Simonthesparrow


Zestyclose-Visit-653

So the weird thing is all my crypto sent with the 3rd final transaction. So that 2nd transaction isn’t sending anything now, it’s pending because the crypto isn’t there to send anymore since the final transaction confirmed and finished before the second one ever had a chance too. Also CW just has the pending with no option to speed it up.

Zestyclose-Visit-653

I’ll look into how to do that on CW. What would happen to the transaction after bumping it? Would it just void?

Tasigur1

"*I can confirm I have departed from nChain Global," Ager-Hanssen posted to X (Twitter). "I have also reported that I have found compelling evidence that Craig Wright has manipulated documents with the aim to deceive the court that he is Satoshi. I’m today myself convinced that Craig Wright is not Satoshi.*" No sh*t sherlock. Everybody knows that CW is **not** Satoshi. It's insane how many articles are published about this impostor.

petragta

Why Paypal boss ? Go on Peer to Peer or other exchange. Even buy on Binance and send it straight to a CW

ShinAlastor

CW is pretty pathetic.

Obsidianram

I kinda consider CW just a squatter in the vacant house of Satoshi....nothing more...

choicehunter

I totally called it. It's been proven that this Twitter account is NOT the real Satoshi account. It is a fake one linked to Craig Wright through his friend Andy Rowe. IMO they are totally scamming gullible people to try to convince them to go with their pet hardfork BSV that they own the company that develops for it. Rowe even admitted he was the one controlling the account way back in 2018. In short, it's not the real Satoshi, it's just a rando who reclaimed the UserID after the original owner (who also may or may not have been Satoshi) canceled their account. There is a lot of evidence that CW and AR are not Satoshi. Anyone can follow it if they want, just know it's not Satoshi.

Diligent_Warthog

That's the way 

Cab000se

Imagine listening to CW for more than 10 seconds in 2023 🤣🤣

head77

Of course CW is not S.

3DprintRC

Ok. Unfortunately it's a win for CW.

richardto4321

Kind of a waste of a question, imo. We already know CW is a fraud!

Obsidianram

I would blame CW, the cashier, for giving you a bag with a hole in it...that's what Sam would do...

Run_Che

[https://imgtr.ee/image/Bg8CW](https://imgtr.ee/image/Bg8CW) I don't see it.

Ima_Wreckyou

He probably just threw a bunch of addresses on a list that didn't move for a long time or are from the time where Satoshi was still active. There is at least one other address on that list where somone publicised a signed message that CW is a liar.

Obsidianram

Start with the date/time of the theft transaction, and where was the dear 'ol CW at that time? Surely there's a corroborating record somewhere of his whereaboots...was he even capable of making that xaction? Find out...

MrPuffer23

Let's just hope that CW digs a big enough hole to bury himself in.

reddito321

Let's make a crowdfunding to give CW psychiatric help so that we don't have to hear from his fucking bullshit anymore

Halo22B

Yes your methodology is fine. You might want to consider sweeping your funds to a hot wallet and then to your newly created CW. Two set of transactions so twice the cost in fees but more convenient (send, wipe,create new,send to new). And helps sever any link to the original wallet. Also "less"scary since easier to send test amounts.

KuciMane

Having it in a KYC’d exchange is not bad, not the safest in the event that exchange goes insolvent, but that doesn’t seem like a huge risk for Coinbase or Kraken. but a cold wallet(ledger, trezor) is a wallet that is *never* connected to anything. you send from an exchange or hot wallet into a CW and you don’t use that CW for anything other than storing, sending back to an exchange or staking. Doing this, absolutely nothing can get into your shit. Now if you import your CW’s address/seed phrase on metamask you have now turned that wallet into a cold wallet and need to reset your ledger and create a new wallet with a new seed phrase. Even if you type your seed phrase for your CW on your keyboard or phone, you are putting that wallet at risk because you don’t know if your phone or computer has keyloggers watching everything you type. That is one way wallets get hacked. Or if you use metamask/other hot wallets and sign transactions on DEX’s etc, there is a chance you sign something malicious that will give access to your wallet (like clicking the wrong link and going to [perfectlysafeexchange . io] instead of . com for example) Once you turn on your CW & it generates your seed phrase, you *write it down on paper* and put it on a steel plate(ledger has some you can buy that have interchangeable steel letters if you need to change the phrase or if you want to encrypt it a bit more by switching some words up that only you would know is the correct order) after that is done, if you don’t ever type that phrase on a phone or pc, or if you never import it into a hot wallet, it is impossible for your shit to get stolen. If your ledger is stolen, they’ll get your passcode wrong and then it wipes itself, but as long as you have the seed phrase, you can import it onto metamask/other hot wallets, access you CW’s address through those hot wallets, and then immediately send those to your new CW address that hopefully you have created after losing your ledger.

Buydipstothemoon

Your CW won't help you if you sign smart contracts on ETH. It's definitely an ETH problem.

DrewKratos

> A CW is a safety deposit box except better, if anyone steals your CW, you still can access it on a hot wallet and move it into another wallet address on a new CW. Can you expand on this? Like, how and why does this work? My crypto has only ever been tied to regulated KYC exchanges precisely because I'm worried about something like what happened to OP happening to me. This would definitely put me at ease. Care to explain?

KuciMane

How are you people with 6 figure investments in the most risky assets ever not investing in a $50-150 fuckin cold wallet to hold that shit jesus christ This would not happen going between a KYC’d exchange & your cold wallet. So my assumption is you were trying to avoid paying taxes and/or messing around with DeFi, airdrops, etc other things that typically allow wallets to get compromised. Not holding your stuff in a CW is the equivalent of just having your checking account in cash sitting in your house. A CW is a safety deposit box except better, if anyone steals your CW, you still can access it on a hot wallet and move it into another wallet address on a new CW.

singerundertheshower

Would you swap eth for stEth on something like Lido with your cold wallet or would you ever sign any smart contracts with CW and just send and receive tokens from there?

CryptoFever911

What is faketoshi (CW) doing these days.

G2DE

Congratulations and everything, now drop some names on CW so the rest of us can continue do our research

wayfarer8888

Biggest regret: investing in OCC (OccamFi) and CardWallet CW when Cardano was hot before they messed up smart contracts. Best sell: ADA just two weeks before they messed up smart contracts.

wayfarer8888

I used Yoroi for staking back in the days and it somehow worked, but from a user experience point it was a clusterfuck, each time they finished an epoch the whole thing seemed to implode. I heard nothing much has changed with Yoroi. I also invested in two Cardano projects (look up CW and OCC to see how that went). I am glad I got out of this mess when it peaked about two years ago. I like the staking on Ethereum these days, it's not the inflationary kind (Cardano is I believe 7% currently, and don't tell me that's changing by 2030...)

Plauzerino

What a piece of garbage. Satoshi was trying to revolutionize our financial system and give it all to the public for free, but suddenly there's someone like CW trying to make it about his person. And the courts are playing along?

superduperdude92


Halo22B

Good idea to stop using blockchain.com, self custody is a better choice. A CW is the pinnacle of security and convenience when it comes to self custody but there is a price. An excellent interim step is to self custody with a software wallet application. A good mobile choice is nunchuck and a good desktop choice is Sparrow. Because the private key is stored on the application which is always in contact with the internet the security is not as good as a system that keeps your private key offline but for a zero cost it checks alot of bases. Good luck

Jake123194

More likely than it being CW

Potstar1


solomonsatoshi

Then once you have read TBS, and not before, ask people you know if tbey have any BTC they want to sell- buying directly from the 20-30 of citizens who already hold BTC is far safer and easier and cheaper than using a CEX. For a wallet and first purchase use a hot wallet eg Electrum. Do not buy a lot- say $100 or whatever is a small amount for you and experiment with the use of the wallet. Learn how to send BTC and receive Bitcoin. Then once you are confident with the basics of Bitcoin consider stacking- if you will plan to accumulate a large amount then consider cold storage. Do not use a proprietary HW- they are mostly overpriced hype. Use this instead- [https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/coldstorage.html](https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/coldstorage.html) Ideally use only Linux for Bitcoin work - especially cold storage. All other OSs are compromised. Finally if you simply cannot shake off the hype and FUD screeched by CW touts use the best of the bad bunch- use Jade. [https://blockstream.com/jade/](https://blockstream.com/jade/)

Fakir333

CW claims ... lol. Claims a lot

CryoAurora

You assume I support bch?? I support the truth, which is don't invest in it. CW started that with Ver. I trashed CW, and you take that to mean bch support so you can lie about segwit???? CWs friendship is so toxic that his supposed best friend he says he started started btc with died alone and in pain while CW evaded taxes and screwed over others just as bad. Again, as you state, bch forked for bigger blocks. Something Gavin and others were working on for btc until CW, Ver, and others decided to split to get it without taking time to work with core devs and craft a road map that met more people's goals instead of tons of forks and alts. You don't seem to understand that segwit is just as I described, and you reinforced my trying to prove otherwise. Both are irreversible forks. Call it what you want. You're obviously shilling for something accusing people calling out cw as supportive of bch and bsv. Sniffing your own glue, are you?? The fact the community was sold on segwit because blockstream was paying influencers to lie to people about it and drive others like Gavin and more out of the industry says a lot about you yourself not knowing anything about what went on other than what the talking heads tell you. Segwit was the choice in the end. That's OK. But it was done by f#ckery. Are you one of the segwit shills that listened to Kyle Torpey about segwit while he was being paid by blockstream and Adam Back?? You're using his words.

CryoAurora

Technically, Bitcoin Cash is the unbroken chain where btc had segwit alter btc fundamentally. Bitcoin cash is still not Bitcoin. Bitcoin made the change by concensus. Just the way it was made to. Hence, it's the main chain. CW didn't create Bitcoin. If he launched the Genesis block, it's because he stole the code from the people who did. CW was also otherwise occupied the days the Genesis block was launched by his own admissions. His buddy David didn't create bitcoin either.