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Sync up a bitcoin node using a portable 1 terabyte HDD?
Can not download the 2gb soft version of the Bitcoin node from "bitcoin.org" to my HDD (Which has loads of space)
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Its definitely not the HDD, i just ran a scan in "Command and prompt" chkdsk, there is no problems found
i dont think that the HDD is the problem. There is some software issue happening that's stopping the Node from working ??
Nope, i have 2TB HDD (hard drive) and 500gb SSD (Solid state drive) The SSD is almost full because it holds the OS (Windows) and i dont have room for the Bitcoin Node to be on there. So i Synced it to the HDD. But the main problem is how come this Bitcoin Node was working fine yesterday, but now I'm getting "error in opening block database" ??
How old is the HDD? Was it ever stress-tested? Just because it was working fine yesterday doesn't mean it's working fine today. Hardware works fine right up until it doesn't. Syncing the blockchain makes your storage hardware work hard. If you had never stress-tested your hardware, running Bitcoin might have been enough to reveal to you for the first time that the hardware is faulty. It's a good idea to stress test brand new drives. Faulty drives can appear fine with light usage, but their problems become apparent when you put them through the ringer.
Where do i find "log file" Because i cant even open up the main program? I do just go to program within my HDD, find the Bitcoin program in there, and then find "log file" ?
no way, i have 2 tereabytes on my HDD. and it was working yesterday just fine.
Another one? Interesting. Every year or so there's someone who lost the password/seed to 7k BTC. It's like a clockwork. Stories are run, people start creaming and going emotional over what appears very convincingly to be nothing but just another hoax by attention starved wanna be famous person. So far the only mildly credible story about, you guessed it, 7k lost BTC is the one about the Welsh guy who threw away a laptop with HDD. Allegedly he approached the local council to go dig the landfill where it most likely ended, with the promise of sharing the bounty with the council. I think he got denied anyway.
I got bitcoin from faucets back in that time-period just as a novelty, and formatted the HDD at some point. Luckily I don't actually remember how much I had but it wasn't nothin'
I would never leave my 10BTC from the time, when BTC was around $1 on old HDD, which my mom thrown to trash…
> is it normal for it to take 4 days just to sync up with the pruned node? There's no difference in syncing time between pruned and unpruned nodes, because both fully verify everything from scratch (the pruned node just doesn't keep all the data it verifies, but the difference is only in terms of storage space). So I don't know if it's normal to wait for long, because it fully depends on your setup/hardware (CPU, RAM, internet connection and the SSD/HDD you're using). > It says that i still have got 3 years whole of data to sync before its finished Well, this sounds like way too long :) Can you post the exact hardware you're using?
I do already have an SSD, but its full with other data, also the Windows OS is on there. That's why im putting it all on to the HDD.
> Once this synchronization has been completed in another 2 days will I be able to sync up again but this time using a portable 1 terabyte HDD? Sure, but keep in mind you will have to re-sync everything from scratch again. So if you actually need/want an unpruned node, you might as well stop the current syncing process and start again unpruned.
Thanks for your help guys. Another question, once this synchronisation has completed will I have the ability to sync it again. But this time to a portable 1 terabyte HDD? Thanks.
the install directory may be on the SSD. i would try removing the program and deleting all Bitcoin folders you can find. then move the install file to the HDD and install it from there. during the initial setup, set the directory to your HDD.
Er yes, i have a problem with that. I have a PC with Windows as the OS. The PC has two hard drives, one is SSD (500gb) and is almost completely full and its where the Windows OS is stored on. It does not have enough space to store even the soft 2gb version of the Bitcoin node. The other is a HDD which has about 1.7 T of free space, so plenty to store the 2gb soft version of the Bitcoin node on there. However, when i selected to install it onto the HDD for some reason it will not download to the HDD?? "Extract: Error writing to file bitcoin - qt- exe" ​ ???
Yep you can. There's 2 types of wipes that's usually used, a quick format and a zero-fill format. You can still usually recover data from a quick format, but a zero-fill will destroy any data by writing to each and every sector. Honestly I think a quick format will still be fine unless you have someone actively looking to get your data and they have physical access to your HDD
I like the idea of taking the HDD to the gun range better, and using it as a target. start with small calibers and work your way up.
I mean, if you're really really worried, you can just encrypt your HDD with full-disk MLE encryption or zero out the drive with multiple wipe cycles (or both) and then reinstall Windows. If you're worried that someone is going to loot your HDD and wants your data at no matter the cost, even with a 0.0001% chance of recovering it, you can take a drill to the platters of the HDD, smash it with a hammer, set the shattered fragments on fire and then throw it in the ocean I think zeroing out a HDD would be fine in most cases though
So you are now saying - “I’m easy to spearphish, just look for all GBC save data files from my HDD and steal the money”.
I tried it once with a HDD and it took around a week... with an SSD it took less than 24 hrs.. same laptop, just different external HDD and SSD
I synced a node twice using the same laptop, once with a HDD and once with SSD and the sync time was the same
Yes. It's fastest on SSD, slowest on HDD, and in-between if you put blocks on HDD and chainstate on SSD. Chainstate (mainly the UTXO database) is heavily rewritten during initialization. Blocks are written sequentially, only once, and heavily read
Thanks for that. It's always useful to have accurate timing for node initialization. Most users make it up - 3 days, about a week, etc. Took me 55 hours 2 years ago (July 2020) with Intel X3440, 8GB, 2TB HDD and *dbcache=6800* A question: Is your external SSD plugged into USB2 or USB3? There is an annual update of node initialization times here: https://blog.lopp.net/2021-bitcoin-node-performance-tests-2/ Also: https://blog.lopp.net/bitcoin-core-performance-evolution/ I've read that 16GB isn't the limit for *dbcache*, and that setting it to 24GB gives maximum benefit because that's enough RAM to store the entire uncompressed UTXO set. I haven't tried this personally
I actually didn't measure the writing rate on the disk - unfortunately because that would have been interesting to me also. But I just can imagine that a HDD would be massive slower because it's a heavy disk IO process.
Could it be slower if it was saved on HDD instead of ssd ? Just wondering 🤔
OTG with a external HDD. Soon i will buy a USB dock for the little one.
I think this is what I am going to do. I really like the look and ease of umbrel but I do have a question. Since my HP G2 has two drives in it (m.2 128GB and HDD 1TB), is there a way to install umbrel on the faster SSD and use the larger HDD for data and apps (i.e Bitcoin Core and the blockchain)? I'll be using Ubuntu Server 22.04
Got all the apes in my HDD, sorry I broke the market by right clicking.
On no to my collections (in my HDD)
4GB Rasp is enough. HDD won’t last long, better have a rather basic SSD, no need of NVME. 1TB is still enough for a few years.
That would be excellent if the HDD is nearly empty. Put the blocks on the HDD and chainstate on the SSD. It will take 3 days to 4 days to initialize. Set *dbcache* to 14800 for faster initializaition
Yes, but if you want the complete blockchain you need to store it on your HDD (approx 500GB required) and it will take around a month to synchronize it initially because the HDD is slow. After that though it will work just fine and normally.
The only thing you should replace is the HDD with a 1 or 2TB SSD and you should be good to go.
If you want the easiest, quick way using an old laptop: install Ubuntu Server and then Umbrel. Be sure to have at least 4Gb RAM and 1Tb SSD. HDD will also work, but it’s not worth it, as it will take an infinite amount of time to sync. New thermal paste and a good cleaning before starting is also recommended, since it gets hot while syncing and old laptops may be dirty and have old dry paste. Have fun!
Haven’t got a clue what it was called but dayum makes me think twice of what I keep on my phone. Yeah that is a solution for HDD. Would you be able to do that on a phone you use everyday?
Put a textfile with the seed on a HDD and then hide that HDD on a landfill somewhere..
Don't use a laptop. They're available second-hand cheaper than a Pi, powerful enough to run a node, but they're too fragile to run 24/7. Get a second-hand desktop with at least 2GB RAM and replace the internal HDD with a 2TB HDD I see the Pi4 is returning to availability, but none are cheaper than $150 Some people are ordering the odroid HC4, but if everybody does that, they'll run out too
This shows the difference between a HDD and the recommended SSD.
Hi all! Before I start, I'm no computer wiz... keep this in mind as you read on. Just got my first raspi 4 (2GB) and have umbrel on it downloading bitcoin core. It's uptime is currently around 2 days and I'm at 11.59% synchronization (yikes). I have a 1TB HDD (think that's the name) as my storage device. Also a 128 GB micro SD. So this is literally all I can afford at the moment, upgrading isn't an option. Any tech/math people able to calculate how long it'll take? Or is there a way to get an estimate on umbrel? Not sure our internet upload/download speed or anything like that. We're tight on cash and its the poor people's internet lol. I'm just a normal person trying to use bitcoin to have a future. I'm kind of thinking it may take a month at this rate, but I sure hope not. I guess patience is a virtue, though. Thanks in advance. God bless!
Invest in optical media backup and HDD supplement.
There is no point, it’s the same person controlling it. And no, there isn’t, Bitcoin-Core is not designed for concurrent access. As for HDD vs SDD, syncing on an HDD will take weeks or months. You can still run a pruned node on a small ssd for the privacy and autonomy benefits, it only uses a few GB of disk.
What’s a good cheap HDD or SSD to do this? I have an old laptop I want to turn into a Node.
Umbrel does the IDB over Tor and is alot slower than using clearnet. This is why they recommend an SDD instead of an HDD. It also depends alot on your internet too. My umbrel node took about 5 days to sync using an SSD with a read/write speed of 1000mb/s and I get about 150-200mb/s from my ISP. It went slower during peak hours when everyone was online.
> Dose all raspberry pi work or is the newest model a great advantage to have? I have an older raspi (raspberry 4, iirc) and it works fine, although I did the initial blockchain download/sync on my desktop PC. Newer raspberries have better CPU/RAM, so might be capable of syncing the whole thing themselves (will probably still take few days/weeks, but depending on other factors such as your internet speeds, if you're using SSD or HDD, and the actual specs of your raspi). > How much money is a reasonable amount to spend on it in your opinion? It really is a personal question, I don't know. I spent $150 for raspberry + SSD a few years ago, I believe, but you could go with an older laptop for free, if you have one lying around, or spend something like $300 for a ready-made raspberry pi node etc.
Well, I bought around 500 btc back in 2011, when it was around $0.19, then went on to purchase a blitter of LSD off of SilkRoad with around 400 of it and today can't get ahold of the rest of ~ 70 btc, stored on my old HDD, despite trying many times with several texh firms. So, there's that.
If the Odroid HC4 is available, it's cheaper than a 4GB Pi4, and has native SATA ports. Other odroids have USB->SATA bridge. Pi only has USB ports Get a HC4, a SSD for one SATA port and a HDD for the other. Store *blocks* on the HDD, *chainstate* on the SSD
I'm a project investor only at this point..No wallet owned or trusted. When the time comes I'll be using GALA and FIL if possible. Excess HDD data storage usage rewards and entertainment ecosystem tokens interest me.
Garbage is sorted. Metal items are separated and destined for remelting / recycling. This HDD is not there because it does not exist anymore.
He might find the hard disk, but he wont be able to collect the BTC from that ! The HDD wont be supported
Then my ex wife is more better, she could find more trash, leaving good things behind ! If you need her help. contact me, I would offer you her number and contact her to find the HDD from trash
I have abput 30-40 broken HDD, would that work for our grandpa ? If yeah, DM me, I am surely gonna parcel those. Also I dont need penny because I was about to throw them, and now a days, I dont use HDD at all, only SSD
In this old stage, the old man wants his HDD to recover his BTC ! Lmao
I was about to comment that, I wish there would be a webseries or some kinda documentary. I would love to watch it, the the title must be "old man with his lost HDD BTC"
I dont think he would be successful at any cost, the HDD has faced a lot of peer pressure from the garbage area, it had been destroyed
If he found out the hard disk and if its being corrupted, I am sure people gonna put the HDD in his coffin. Because his Bitcoin is his only, no one has the right, and afterall the HDD has already been corrupted
HDD would be in a bad condition but he is not understanding.
Its depressing and at the same time its interesting as well ! cant link each other but sounds good as well. Old man who threw his HDD and now in a search for the same HDD, that's shows the craze of BTC
I would be dying with the tension that why I threw the HDD if that would belong to me ! Afterall, its all about Bitcoin, so cant take any chances regarding these stuff <3
Good bot for a reason, thanks for clearing this out in a short line ! Anyways, the old man gonna regret. That he must not threw the HDD at any cost, now he would suffer a lot until his death, and if somehow he found the hard drive, that wont gonna work too
Feeling bad for him but let him do more and more, we can wait and watch what is going to happen in the future but the HDD would be fucked by now man lol.
There's no way out that he could recover those data, he would only found of the HDD ! But its impossible to collect the datas at any cost ! But I wish some miracle happens and he retrive all the datas
Everyone would love to die like this, having your HDD where Btc are stored
Dont say this, it actually haunts if one would imagine the fact ! Like you could be a millionaire. But now you dont have those Bitcoin because you threw them in the garbage and even if you fin the HDD, you cant recover because its already destroyed
Everyone must hodl their Bitcoin, no matter what ! Because that gonna make you feel better ! And the old man would be so lucky if he would found his HDD, atleast before his death, he would be happy af
I remember many stories, where people threw away their HDD because no one cared for Bitcoin at the beginning of cryptocurrency ! Also many people used to buy pizzas with 1 or 2 BTC coins, lmao, imagine that pizza delivery guy now, if he had been holding till now
My hobby is IT related and it's how I make money. It's not at all possible. This dude is hoping that his HDD will be in good condition. It's been how many years in that landfill now?
There's no way in hell that HDD is recoverable. The platters will be smashed and scratched.
After a decade in a pile of garbage with gases, fumes and toxic liquids flowing at the behest of the open outdoor weather... Even if he finds the HDD, what are the chances it will be in any condition to retrieve any useful data?
That's HDD is most definitely completely destroyed. That really sucks man. I won't say he should move on. This will haunt him even in death
> all of which would cost no less than $11 million and take nine to twelve months to complete. He also envisions a scaled-down version of this operation that would only cost $6 million and take up to 18 months. Now imagine he actually does all of this, and it comes out that the hard drive is damaged... he then spends few hundred quid more, only to find days later that the data is irreversibly corrupted and the whole effort was for nothing. lol... IMHO chances of this HDD being broken now are pretty high. Even if only by the temperature and time.
They regularly drive over the trash with rollers to compress it down. The HDD has been completely destroyed thousands of times over at this point. It's just a show at this point, and he knows it.
Grifter with a good spiel reiterates it for additional BJs and free drinks IMO. Even if the HDD etc did once exist he cannot actually expect to ever recover it and access the data originally on it. I wonder if he will be like one of the perpetual treasure hunters of the carribean, living large on his yacht funded by investors in the expedition?
Surely the HDD is all rusted and unusable by now.
Surely the hard drive is trashed? 9 years of rain and dirt. I've never heard of a HDD being tsug out of the ground that works, it seems insane.
Maybe that guy found his HDD he threw in the skip
I can find this sir.. I have an idea or two.. Honestly DM me.. If people can find diamonds.. They can find a metal encasement in a landfill lol. I charge a very small fee sent directly to etransfer. $1000 USD and you'll have all the ideas you need to locate the HDD. I can come find it directly, for a greater fee. Roughly one year or less (once everything is in place) covering an equal part of the site per day to a depth / age that is estimated by the surrounding debris.
Almost a decade compacted in a pile of trash and subject to the elements of all 4 seasons would make HDD recovery an insurmountable task.
99% someone saw a hdd and grabbed it. When I see a utilitarian item that’s thrown out- I grab it! A knife, a lighter, a thumb drive, a HDD, a baseball hat, a video game, a cat harness, a crushed aluminum baseball bat. He won’t find it. He should have just got back into mining or buying
I did my initial block download over tor... took a weekend. The SSD (or HDD) is the bottleneck for most people.
Waiting for the next article in approx 5 minutes time which suggests we nuke the dump site to retrieve the long lost HDD
Hello all! I have Bitcoin on bitcoin-qt that I have had since 2011 and I would like to somehow recover the BTC that is on there are tranfer it to another wallet. The hard drive can no longer hold all of the blockchain data (HDD is only 250GB) and I need advice on how to get this BTC to another wallet. My goal is to have the BTC moved to my Ledger Nano S that I purchased recently.
Never read much about this. What is the liklihood that the HDD is even in a condition that's recoverable. I've heard stories from data recovery people of saving the day but nearly 10 years in the dump. Landfills already have issues with gas forming from decaying landfill contents. Can a HDD survive 10 years of whatever discharge is forming in a landfill. I doubt this guy is that delusional. If it was me, I'd think to view it as a way to just have a paycheck working a job that effectively has no hard obligations other than to put in some effort sifting through decaying garbage. Like even if he were given permission to access the landfill, would it be so toxic that only the robot dog and other machinery could actually sift through the garbage
That's a good point, I should've specified the 3B+ is the minimum recommended, and yes, it's enough for a Bitcoin node. As for a lightning node, it should be enough as well if you're running a very lightweight system. For instance, my RoninDojo sits at ~1.2GB RAM used. My lnd setup I used to run didn't take much more on top. I think 2GB will suffice, but I used lnd with a RTL frontend which I found pretty lightweight. However, my stripped bitcoin core setup only used 300-500MB. Going by one of those pre-setup stacks, they usually come with a bunch of extra stuff, so it depends on what you want and the hardware. If you have a 3B+, I'd do a manual setup with core+lnd(if you really need lightning) and a web frontend solely for lightning ( you can usually manage a good chunk of bitcoin stuff there too). If you need a pre-setup stack for some reason, look at something very lightweight. mynode will be a good starting point. If you don't need lightning, RoninDojo is a good one, and should be fine with 1GB, will likely hover at 800-900MB. One thing I will say, do NOT cheap out on the power adapters and USB cable to the SSD (recommended, don't go HDD) enclosure. The Pi has a shared BUS, so get an SSD enclosure with its own power supply and a good USB cable between the devices.
Lets say he managed to find the HDD and the HDD is in no form or shape to recover the BTC. Is he still gonna pay $11 million?
Here is what needs to happen. 1. Message Jason on Linkedin. 2. Mobilise his network of Tensorflow.JS devs to write a simple ML program that can recognise the HDD amongst all the rubbish. 3. Get as many folks out to the dump as possible, armed with nothing but webcams and laptops scanning every square inch of that dump. 4. Pay the person who finds it. ​ Seriously, Ive seen some of the amazing work that the Tensorflow community have contributed to ML, image recognition over the years, truly awesome stuff.
If it's an SSD data rot would be hitting in already. For a regular HDD it might actually be okay and if it's not you could probably bruteforce the missing bytes.
i think at this rate even if they manage to find the HDD it won't boot up, hard drives are extremely fragile, anything such as a strong drop or some rain or wetness and it's toast.
I mean why the fuck would Exodus do this? To do me a favor and save HDD space of the old key or what.
With a .dat file, you don't have a seed, you have a wallet file (password protected by choice). The early days were different my friend. So yes, he needs his HDD
The thing is that guy digging in the dumpster does not NEED his HDD. You NEED a hardware wallet either. All of your transactions are on the block chain. You just need your key, at least one person in the world with the Blockchain, and you have your cash back.
I have it in my offline file/media server that is running raid 1, so if ever a drive fails it has a copy, I also have it in a cold storage HDD just to be sure.
The only requisite is plenty of disk space (1TB) and if possible (but not a requisite) a SSD instead of an HDD.
I would agree that something else is the issue. I completely believe that they tried something and their computer was still infected afterwards. I do however doubt that any malware was embedded into their motherboards bios. Something else was, or more likely, wasn't done properly in the reformatting process. The most likely thing that happened if they performed a full reformat, prior to installing their OS again, is that they also backed up some data that they couldnt live without onto an external HDD or flashdrive, then put that same data back onto the computer reinfecting it again. Or they redownloaded the program that contained the malware in the first place after reformatting it.
Who the fuck cares as long as it isn't soon! Like literally this is the time to fill your bags. Over the next couple years hopefully big fat fucking cheap bags of goodies. Not muah "6 months crash and I bought $100 BTC LET'S GO BOYS TO THE MOON!" That's what I want. My farm of GPU's, CPU's and HDD's all on lowered difficulty blockchains over the next 2 years and filling my wallets. Cheap coins on the exchanges. Let it snow.
I've used Umbrel and it's pretty cool, but it has many issues. The docker images for "normal" computers, simply don't work (for me anyways). Running it on a Raspberry Pi is a little better, however as they currently don't sell kits you'd have to buy a Pi, buy a microSD card, buy an external HDD of the correct capacity then wire them all up. This will cost you some $200, which isn't trivial. You'll need to fit all this stuff close to your router which might be a challenge for some households. Now that you got past all of that you'll wanna do the initial blockchain download. On a Raspberry Pi. Yeah it will finish eventually, but oh boy it's going to be a long wait with that tiny outdated CPU. Not to mention a lot of people have bandwidth caps on their home internet and are unaware this process will blow through them. Umbrel is a huge improvement, but it's still far from being easy enough for everyday internet users.
Because even a 15 year old boy living in his parent's basement could get a 2nd hand Raspberry Pi and HDD to police and enforce the protocol of this half-trillion-dollar asset. Find me any other asset class where this boy could have a say so like this.
I didn't, I lost it. forgot about it because funny internet money, zero'd my HDD before giving my old computer away, then remembered it when i saw an article about it reaching $25
maybe you watched too much 2012 (one of the scientifically most inaccurate movies ever). the only reason a solar flare would wipe data from your storages would be insufficient OV protection. the impact a solar flare is proportional to the length of a conductor. There is no way a solar flare could be strong enough to cause an unplugged HDD or SSD to be wiped because of such an event. A very very low risk of your PC being fried causing your storsge to be fried aswell. >Absolutely ridiculous. Firstly, this wouldn't save your data. Secondly, nobody does this, nor should they be expected to. Taking time out of your life to plan for an unpredictable apocalypse is insane. In my country we are forced by law to be able to prove your taxable events up to 10 years in the past. And everyone with a sound mind knows the importance of backups. #no backup no mercy