AA

mountainoftea

Depends on the cup size: Empty <- AA, A, B, C, D,DD, E... -> Full (to possibly overflowing)

Commercial-Group4859

Movies like these are simplified to be understood by a general audience. Yes, his premiums will be low but, in the end, if the notional of the CDS is high, the amount would still be important. Additionally, he would most likely be shorting the higher risk tranches which were not necessarily AAA. This connects to the part of the movie where the two guys from Brownfield get the brilliant idea of shorting the AA tranches becaues no one was doing it. The profit part is when they go to the ratings agencies. Since they had not adjusted the credit rating of the MBS's, that left Burry unable to profit from his position while already having spent a significant amount on premiums.

Shot-Job-8841

I hope this paywall bypass stays up: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-stock-market-has-never-been-so-good-when-people-have-felt-so-bad/ar-AA23Uztl

Icy_Jelly_315

You got the sucking a AA battery line from yo wife

raid_z0

Trying to get that last bit from the bottom of your dab pen feels like sucking on a AA battery

creamonyourcrop

Not to mention the dictatorships who are our allies in the region have no confidence in our country politically or militarily. Our bases there have been devastated, our AA capabilities suspect, and our leadership is a farce.

fatheadlifter

Given that OP's post is clearly wrong/a mess, I decided to have AI analyze all the ways in which it fails. ChatGPT 5.5-Thinking model to the rescue: "Yeah, this post is a mess. There are a few **plausible directional ideas** buried in it — Google is strong, TPUs matter, ROCm is improving — but the conclusions are mostly sloppy. Here’s what’s wrong. # 1. “OpenAI sets the cadence of AI progress” is too simplistic OpenAI is still one of the main pace-setters, but not *the* pace-setter. Google, Anthropic, xAI, Meta, DeepSeek, Mistral, and others all push the frontier in different directions. Even Google’s own latest Gemini 3.5 Flash model card shows a mixed picture: Gemini beats GPT-5.5 on some tool/workflow benchmarks, but GPT-5.5 beats it on others like Terminal-bench coding. There isn’t one clean winner. So the post starts with a fake binary: “OpenAI now, Google later.” Reality is messier. # 2. “Closed architecture of OpenAI and Nvidia GPUs” is confused OpenAI and Nvidia are not the same kind of “closed.” OpenAI is closed-weight model/software access. Nvidia sells hardware broadly and has a massive developer software platform around CUDA. Google’s Gemini is also mostly closed. Google TPUs are also proprietary Google-designed ASICs made available through Google Cloud, not some open hardware commons. Google describes Cloud TPU as a Google Cloud web service for Google’s custom-developed ASICs. So saying the future is “open-sourced hardware TPUs and software Gemini” is just wrong. # 3. TPUs are not “open-source hardware” This is probably the dumbest sentence in the post. TPUs are **Google proprietary custom ASICs**. They are not open-source hardware in the normal sense. You generally access them through Google Cloud, not by buying open TPU boards and plugging them into your own cluster like commodity GPUs. Google is absolutely doing impressive TPU work, especially Ironwood for inference, but “open-sourced hardware” is fantasy-land wording. Google says Ironwood is its seventh-generation custom TPU and purpose-built for large-scale inference. # 4. Gemini is not “open-source software” Gemini is not open-source. Google has **Gemma** open-weight models. Gemini is the closed/proprietary frontier family. Conflating Gemini with open source is like saying iOS is open source because WebKit exists. Cute, but no. # 5. Hyperscalers are not abandoning Nvidia They are diversifying. Big difference. Google uses TPUs. Amazon has Trainium. Microsoft has Maia. Meta has MTIA. But they are all still heavily using Nvidia because Nvidia remains the default general-purpose AI accelerator ecosystem. CUDA is not just “a programming language.” Nvidia’s own CUDA Toolkit includes libraries, debugging tools, optimization tools, compilers, and runtime components used across embedded systems, workstations, data centers, cloud, and supercomputers. The post treats CUDA like a moat that magically decays. In reality, software moats decay slowly because they are made of tools, libraries, engineers, deployment patterns, bugs already solved, and institutional muscle memory. Very boring. Very powerful. # 6. “Sovereign nations will abandon Nvidia GPUs” is unsupported Sovereign AI projects want supply diversity, control, and national infrastructure. That does not automatically mean “no Nvidia.” In many cases, Nvidia is exactly what they buy because it is available, performant, and supported. Could some sovereign compute shift to custom silicon, AMD, or local chips? Sure. But “abandon Nvidia” is Reddit astrology unless backed by actual procurement data. # 7. “Large corporates will abandon OpenAI” is also too strong Enterprises are multi-vendor. They use OpenAI, Google, Anthropic, Microsoft, AWS, open models, internal models, and whatever is cheapest/safest/good enough for the workload. Google has massive distribution through Workspace, Android, Search, Gmail, YouTube, and Cloud. That’s real. But it doesn’t imply OpenAI disappears. It implies fragmentation. # 8. “Gemini has unique training data: Gmail + YouTube” is partly wrong and potentially backwards YouTube as an ecosystem/data advantage? Plausible. Gmail as training data? That’s a red flag. Google explicitly says Workspace data, including emails and documents, is not used to train or improve Gemini/Search/other underlying models without permission. Google also says Gemini in Gmail does not train foundational models on personal emails and only processes inbox data for specific requested tasks. So if the poster is saying “Google trains Gemini on your Gmail,” that’s not supported by Google’s public policy. # 9. “Gemini is neutral” is laughably overconfident No major LLM is “neutral.” They all have safety layers, RLHF/RLAIF tuning, policy choices, refusals, cultural assumptions, and product incentives. Also, Gemini has had very public bias controversies, especially the 2024 image-generation fiasco where Google paused human image generation after outputs involving historically inaccurate diversity overcorrections. Google’s own CEO acknowledged problems with the model’s responses. So “Grok biased, Gemini neutral” is just team-sports nonsense. # 10. “Closed LLMs like Grok are notoriously biased” is selective Grok may have bias issues. So do Gemini, ChatGPT, Claude, Llama-based systems, etc. Bias is not a closed-vs-open issue. Open models can be biased. Closed models can be biased. The difference is auditability, controllability, deployment flexibility, and provider policy — not magical neutrality. # 11. “CUDA moat will topple Nvidia” is backwards A moat can shrink, but it does not usually cause the castle to collapse. CUDA’s dominance is one reason Nvidia has been so durable. ROCm getting better is real. AMD has improved. But “good enough” has to be good enough across training, inference, libraries, distributed systems, debugging, deployment, model kernels, support, cloud availability, and enterprise procurement. That is a lot more than “PyTorch runs now, bro.” # 12. ROCm helps AMD more than Google The post jumps from “Google TPUs/Gemini win” to “AMD ROCm is getting good enough.” Those are different competitive vectors. ROCm is AMD’s Nvidia alternative. TPUs are Google’s custom accelerator path. If ROCm wins, that does not automatically mean Google wins. If TPUs win, that does not automatically mean AMD wins. It’s like saying Ford will beat Tesla because Toyota’s hybrids are good. Related industry, wrong causal chain. # 13. Nvidia’s advantage is not only CUDA Nvidia’s moat includes: * GPUs/accelerators * CUDA * cuDNN, TensorRT, NCCL, Triton, NIM, etc. * networking/interconnect * full racks/systems like GB200/NVL * supply chain * developer familiarity * cloud availability * enterprise support * fast model/framework optimization CUDA is the headline, not the whole machine. # 14. Google can win parts of AI without “beating OpenAI and Nvidia” This is the biggest conceptual mistake. Google can be a huge AI winner through Search, Ads, Cloud, Workspace, Android, YouTube, Gemini subscriptions, agents, and TPUs. That does **not** require OpenAI losing. It does **not** require Nvidia collapsing. It does **not** require CUDA failing. It does **not** require TPUs becoming open-source. Multiple companies can win because AI demand is enormous. # 15. The “Google AI complex” thesis ignores customer preference Developers and companies often want portability. Nvidia GPUs are everywhere: AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, Oracle, CoreWeave, on-prem clusters, national labs, enterprise data centers. TPUs are powerful, but they tie you more closely to Google’s ecosystem. That may be great for some workloads, especially Google-native users. But it is not automatically better for everyone. # 16. It ignores Nvidia’s role in serving OpenAI itself OpenAI’s GPT-5.5 page explicitly says the model is built and served on Nvidia GB200 NVL72 systems. So the “OpenAI vs Nvidia vs Google” framing is goofy. OpenAI and Nvidia are deeply linked, but Nvidia also sells to Google Cloud, xAI, Meta, sovereign projects, enterprises, and basically everyone else who wants serious AI compute. # 17. “Gemini will beat OpenAI” depends on the metric On cost? Google may win many use cases. On Workspace integration? Google has a huge advantage. On Search distribution? Huge advantage. On frontier reasoning? Mixed. On coding? Mixed. On user preference? Mixed. On enterprise deployment? Mixed. Artificial Analysis recently ranked GPT-5.5 as leading on GDPval-AA, a benchmark for economically useful tasks, ahead of Claude Opus 4.7 and Gemini 3.1 Pro Preview. Google’s Gemini 3.5 Flash model card shows Gemini is very competitive, but not a clean “beats OpenAI” story across the board. # Bottom line The post is wrong because it turns a reasonable thesis — **Google is a serious AI winner and TPUs matter** — into a pile of overclaims: **TPUs are not open source. Gemini is not open source. Gemini is not neutral. Gmail is not simply training data. Hyperscalers are not abandoning Nvidia. ROCm does not equal Google. CUDA is not about to topple itself. And AI is not winner-take-all.** The better version of the thesis would be: > That version is sane. The Reddit version is finance-bro fan fiction with a TPU sticker on it." Sick burns from an LLM! I don't know why people are so worried that AI produces slop and is incorrect, when it's the humans we need to watch out for.

luciferian11

**Iranian Official: No Draft Agreement With the U.S. Exists - Use ChatGPT for translate - published couple of minutes ago (https://farsnews.ir/mohamadahmadi89/1779456834742971054/%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%B4-%D9%86%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B3-%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%82-%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D8%A2%D9%85%D8%B1%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A7-%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B3%D8%AA)** \- The source also stated that recent reports about a possible draft agreement between Iran and the U.S. are untrue and merely media speculation. \- According to the source, the visits by Pakistani officials to Iran are aimed at strengthening Islamabad’s mediation efforts and role, as well as preventing further escalation of tensions. \- The source emphasized that Tehran still considers the U.S. demands excessive and unreasonable, and believes that the main obstacle in the negotiations lies in Washington, not Tehran.

Pizzajam

I took part in one of those state-wide Stock Market Games when I was 10 and wanted to full port into American Airlines (lmao) but accidentally dropped the paper $250k on A (Agilent Technologies) instead of AA. Agilent went parabolic that weekend, I sold on Monday, didn’t do any other trades, and got 2nd place in the state in the end. Free pizza party for the class and an XXL tee for me.

GuyFieriFrostedTips

If (or maybe when) I do AA, my higher power is going to be NVDA. I submit my will to you and follow the path of your Shepard Jensen. WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME.

DigitalLotusEater

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/spacex-unveils-unique-lock-up-structure-in-ipo-filing/vi-AA23GuY5?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds

MaleficentInternal43

I’m not sure what makes you say “somehow” like a successful trial and approval is a foregone conclusion. Again, these numbers you’re throwing out don’t change the point I made: they have less than $1 of cash per share unless they hit the ATM (which still only gets them a bit above $1). I am pointing out the downside risk profile. 107 million dollars is absolute chump change in biotech, but that’s a separate issue. I disagree that these assets are promising, but if you think they are, that’s totally your prerogative. You claim to be scientifically skilled, so we’ll assume that’s the case. Just one problem: “FDA telegraphed an accelerated approval for their second asset by requesting the Phase 2b data” This indicates to me you don’t have the foggiest clue of how the regulatory process works. First of all, the FDA doesn’t “request” that you run a trial for AA. They may request further data to support an insufficient package, or indicate that a pathway is available. It’s standard boilerplate and doesn’t indicate confidence. Second, AA is a sponsor-initiated strategy. Sellas submits the NDA based on a surrogate or intermediate endpoint RLSE. The FDA doesn’t tip you off for AA by specifically asking you to run another trial. Sellas asked what a sufficient package would look like and the FDA responded. That’s it.

Snoo-90587

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Konan888

AI = AA. No one want to bet on 7-2

veigues

No longer a source of value? I just bought a AA- rated muni today with a 4.72% YTC. I think there’s still value in bonds if you are in the highest tax bracket. I think sometimes you have to ignore what these “experts” think and do what works for you.

McKoijion

Bruh, trading completely sucks now. It's so damn corrupt there's no point in doing it anymore. Even when you make money, you know you're getting cheated on the whole. https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/markets/white-house-reviews-ban-on-trading-through-best-price-on-stocks/ar-AA23vCJI https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-18/white-house-reviews-ban-on-trading-through-best-price-on-stocks Best case scenario the Trumps, Adelsons, Tenevs, Griffins, Schwabs, etc. of the world realize they've gone too far, are losing clients, and pull back. There's only so much sawdust you can put in people's food before they notice. Worst case scenario, the entire American public reacts like cowboys in old western movies after they find out they've been cheated in poker.

MrYOLOMcSwagMeister

See here: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/iran-has-70-per-cent-of-its-missiles-remaining-cia-reveals/ar-AA22GoCQ

pagalvin

I did this with ALAB and several more. POET, AA, MARA. It doesn't always work but it can definitely work.

venu_18

The AA short thesis makes sense at a surface level (fuel costs + demand sensitivity), but airlines are one of those sectors where macro narratives often get priced in earlier than expected. You’re also dealing with heavy hedging strategies, capacity discipline, and government-backed demand recovery patterns that can delay the “obvious” downside. If you zoom out, the cleaner trade in slowdown scenarios usually isn’t single-name airline shorts, but exposure to broader discretionary demand compression or credit-sensitive sectors where balance sheets matter more than pricing power. Airlines can stay irrational longer than expected because they’re structurally cyclical but tactically noisy. I usually track setups like this by writing out bull vs bear cases in Notion so I don’t anchor on one macro narrative, and use Runable to turn messy macro notes into structured comparison sheets when I want to evaluate multiple sectors side-by-side without bias creeping in.

optimaltimemism

It's like walking into a bar and asking where the AA meeting is. Do you want to get drunk or not?

UnlikelyRegret4

My parents generously started a fund for each of their 5 grandchildren giving $200 a month until age 18. The grandchildren are staggered across 7 years, so there were about 11 years of $1000/mo that was truly a sacrificial gift. My son started college in 2013 with $65k in his account, but went to community college rather than straight to a university. He earned two AA degrees in 4 years, then transferred to a 4 year school and at that point the market had basically put back everything I sold for his education thus far. I work in education and when he joined the state universities I was able to secure a discounted tuition for him through work. I paid some of his college expenses (mostly rent and food) and paid tuition and books from the fund. When he graduated in 2020, he still had $45k left in the account. It's set up as a custodial account rather than a 529c, and the 1098 forms from college offset a lot of the taxes on selling from the fund. He now has $70k in the account because even with the dip in the market in 2020 we didn't touch anything and let it grow over the past 6 years. He is getting engaged soon and he and his fiancee hope to use the money toward a down payment on a home. So yeah, it worked out really well for him!

Bittygirl707

$flnc record backlog hyperscaler deals boost momentum of Fluence Energy [https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/flnc-stock-rips-overnight-record-backlog-hyperscaler-deals-boost-momentum/ar-AA22zGsx](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/flnc-stock-rips-overnight-record-backlog-hyperscaler-deals-boost-momentum/ar-AA22zGsx)

sum_dude44

uneducated is dividend hunters seeking yield on total returns less than AA bonds. eg Verizon (6% div) has yield a CAGR of 4.7% over 10 years. SPY CAGR is 13%. VZ has yielded less than bonds over past 10 years. You'd be better off borrowing against margin on SPY than using Dividend stocks. And that's b/4 taxes, which would be zero borrowing against margin. Could market dump? Sure, but so would VZ return

questionablejudgemen

It’s like making a boombox with a single AA battery. Even if it works, so you really want it to?

Hungry_Builder9942

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstocks/gdc-stock-surges-65-in-pre-market-after-brutal-rout-amid-take-private-offer-retail-bulls-now-eye-1/ar-AA22GEGB?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds

Party_Homework_420

They dont yet but are part of the EU project that will take down hypersonics. RHM is making drone interceptor and defense again ballistics. All are necessary as part of a layered air defense. You cant use drones to take out most ballistic missiles and Russia makes 2 of those a day. You dont want to use the ultra expensive AA capable of stopping hypersonics on traditional ballistics. Any peace period between Russia and Ukraine is going to be a dangerous buildup of these weapon systems. Im not saying its going to recover to ATH this year but theres a reason its loved by the financial analysts. If youre long its a very safe stock

Konan888

Xi : AA Trump: 72

Amazing_Candidate976

I’m surprised at the amount of people saying SP500/index/total market based on your question with SAFEST being the first word and SOLID 6%. Equities should be out of the question (idc if they are low volatility dividend stocks) if there’s a 15% market correction the chances of your dividend stock not going down with the market are low. If you are in fixed income and hold to maturity you are guaranteed your principal (par value) and you’ll get the coupon interest payments. Only answer I saw make sense was the 75% treasuries one with selling puts. Although I’d rather go 100% and sell calls just for my brain. I think definitively you want to be looking at treasuries, municipal, or corporate bonds. Treasuries won’t get you to the 6% you’ll have to do something extra (like option), but you won’t lose the principal (ASSUMING YOU BUY THE ACTUAL TREASURY NOT AN ETF). The higher the yield on a corporate the riskier the investment, but also look at ratings, A, AA, BBB, etc. stay away from “junk” bonds. But, not every broker offers bonds sooooo sometimes you just gotta deal with the cons of the ETFS. If you go down the treasuries, municipal bonds path you’ll have tax advantages too. I would look into TIPS (Treasury Inflation Protected Securities) too. They are a more complicated instrument with some unfortunate tax implications unless you use a tax-advantaged account, but they can outpace normal treasuries depending on inflation numbers and you must hold to maturity to reap that benefit. Lastly, just know that owning the actual bill, note, bond and buying the ETF are not apples to apples. You have no control over what your exit price will be since these funds have no maturity like the actual instruments they hold. You are not guaranteed a par value back.

Realanise1

Just one day old and that did not age well. Are you aware that Iran just tightened its control over the strait of Hormuz? It will *never* go back to a neutral passage. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exclusive-iraq-pakistan-strike-energy-deals-with-iran-as-tehran-flexes-hormuz-control/ar-AA230Zaa?ocid=BingNewsSerp](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exclusive-iraq-pakistan-strike-energy-deals-with-iran-as-tehran-flexes-hormuz-control/ar-AA230Zaa?ocid=BingNewsSerp)

Quiet_Deer_4887

This is the real reason: [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/business-news-shorts-dua-lipa-sues-samsung-for-11m/ar-AA234OMn?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/business-news-shorts-dua-lipa-sues-samsung-for-11m/ar-AA234OMn?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds) Samsunites love the Lippah.

sonofalando

It’s more like an AA meeting. Literally expected a bunch of eccentric shkreli personalities and got a buncha stinky neckbeards with axe body spray 🤢

icein2017

AA actually smarter than Ryan Cohen, dude diluted by splitting the stock into APE and then used it to win another dilution vote

McMuff9

As a recent retiree, I’m completely de-risked in this crazy market. My AA is in Cash,VTiPs, SDHD, XLE, Gold and VXUS and Real Estate. I Got burned hard in the Dot.Com era and it took me 25 years to make it back. Not getting sheared again

justaguytrying2getby

I'm looking more at companies like AA now for aluminum. Sodium batteries are going to take over in a few years and they use aluminum. Most of those metals TMC collects end up in lithium batteries and will be worth a lot less, and their exploration endeavors are far riskier than most other types of mining/exploration.

TheOriginalBushToad

[https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/animals/bears-now-roam-the-chernobyl-dead-zone-and-the-mutations-are-hard-to-ignore/vi-AA22Gipf?ocid=socialshare](https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/animals/bears-now-roam-the-chernobyl-dead-zone-and-the-mutations-are-hard-to-ignore/vi-AA22Gipf?ocid=socialshare)

McKoijion

> Robinhood had asked the Securities and Exchange Commission to exempt it from having to issue Form CRS—a customer relationship summary detailing issues such as a firm’s fees and conflicts of interest—to Trump Account holders, arguing that the document could confuse investors and that the rationale for requiring the disclosure doesn’t make sense in the case of Trump Accounts. > “A primary purpose of Form CRS is to provide retail investors with important information about the fees they will pay and conflicts of interest, in order to help investors decide which firm they will retain to service their accounts,” John Markle, a lawyer for Robinhood, wrote in a May 5 letter to the SEC. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/sec-cuts-robinhood-a-break-on-trump-accounts-here-s-why/ar-AA22IzlV

FinishWarm1746

[US trade court rules against Trump's 10% global tariffs](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-trade-court-rules-against-trump-s-10-global-tariffs/ar-AA22Drru?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEESS&cvid=69fd463710974cd5b0b3b22909e32c8e&ei=20) surprised this isnt a big deal

TomatoSpecialist6879

[Wrong](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/interactive-brokers-launches-access-to-korean-equities-breaking-new-ground-for-global-investors/ar-AA22yumE)

callsonreddit

GameStop CEO Ryan Cohen says eBay suspended his account [https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/gamestop-ceo-ryan-cohen-says-ebay-suspended-his-account/ar-AA22zmbn](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/gamestop-ceo-ryan-cohen-says-ebay-suspended-his-account/ar-AA22zmbn)

fusionlantern

Ill never forget warning them over the dillution repeatedly whatever "squeeze" they could have had AA made sure it was one time deal and profited

odity9

We did, its called AA

sonofalando

Ngl the discord and previous meetings they’d hold for WSB were the biggest pieces of shit I ever slipped into. Buncha regards telling sob stories like it’s an AA meeting. Never went to one again after the first one 🤡🤡🤡

Endle55torture

I have a few , it would be nice... but as history has shown AA is more than willing to fuck investors during any price increase

highschoolhero24

I was honestly trying to think of the most boring topic possible. He sounds like he’s introducing himself at an AA meeting that his wife forced him to go to.

HoneyBadger552

fish heads! unite!  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-considers-withdrawing-thousands-of-troops-from-south-korea/ar-AA1FiC8J

beIIe-and-sebastian

There is a case pending in the New York county Supreme Court titled John Doe v. Jpmorgan Chase & Co., Lorna Hajdini https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/CaseDetails?docketId=zK1mcFD/pn6UCRb1Vsp2AA==

randompersonx

It would be way too long of a post to run through the whole list of negative experiences I had with Spirit, but, iirc I flew them for two round trips … and the amount of service failures across those 4 flights was more than I’ve had in hundreds of flights on AA, UA, DL, and B6. I’m honestly in a state of surprise whenever I see anyone singing their praises. My mom, as an example, always used to sing their praises… and then every time she flew them would complain about how terrible every aspect of the airport experience and flight was… and then a week later would say she loved spirit. rinse and repeat for years. I suspect they were okay If you didn’t need to check a bag, or only checked a small bag that was very durable.

Vxjon

Pricing significantly lower. Quality about the same. Pay to play model of every conceivable "perk" being an add on. Bags seats carryons etc etc all chargeable. Flew a lot in Europe and would never pay more than £100 return to the big destinations and often much cheaper if flexible on timings. Great record on safety and on time arrivals. That said I fly mostly AA now and it doesn't feel far off Ryanair with the additional fees and rude staff.

randompersonx

You’re getting a ton of downvotes, but honestly I agree. I’ve taken spirit a few times because they happened to have nonstop routes that would have been convenient for me in theory. In reality, my experience on Spirit was so bad that I’d rather have a connection on AA, UA, or DL. The staff seemed to delightfully try to make the experience as unpleasant as possible, at every step of the journey on the handful of times i flew them. And, as far as price goes… once you start paying for the upgrades like an assigned “extra space” seat or whatever they called it … compared to what I’d pay on another airline, the value prop disappeared. I’d assume the airline algorithms for AA, DL, UA do consider each other as peers … and to some extent JetBlue, Alaska, and Hawaiian. But spirit and the like were probably mostly seen as pests who were not competing in any sort of sustainable, fair, or rational way… and assumed passengers would either opt in to Spirit and just not be mainline customers… or opt out and never consider them either way.

Playful-Park4095

Sure, but look at the numbers when they broke their businesses down by category to beg .gov for COVID relief.  Without the profit center of selling miles as credit card rewards AA would lose money year over year.  Flying mostly broke even or made losses in any given year.  It'll be worse now with fuel prices. 

Playful-Park4095

US airlines are banks that happen to own airplanes.  The credit card reward structure and selling frequent flyer miles keeps them profitable.  Europe is a very different credit card environment so airlines have to make money actually flying. Any US airline that can't compete in the banking and loyalty scheme arena will die regardless of size.  AA would fold quickly. 

chreds

I'm similar but United instead of AA. I bought before the merger rumours fell thru and didn't want to end up with AA getting bought for a premium. I looked at CCL too but the oil exposure vs jet fuel exposure is different. A large % of CCL sailing are already sold at pre fuel increase prices so I could see them coming out of the summer poorly. Their chart also looks like it's a a high. All that said I still needed up with United puts instead of CCL. Good luck.

multiple4

He wanted to block competition for AA, United, and Delta. That's it If Jet Blue had obtained the routes, employees, and assets from Spirit they'd be more competitive at certain airports. That's why it was blocked

Initial-D-and-GuP

That was just United saber-rattling & taking a page out of the administration's playback (making some outlandish claim before "settling" for something lesser). Claim that they were going to merge with AA (outlandish) before "settling" for an acquisition of JetBlue instead.

Nicaddicted

AA can’t fail, the government won’t let it. People never learn

ignatious__reilly

I mean, you’re making a lot of assumptions here. You don’t actually know what’s true and what isn’t. The only thing we know for sure is that a lawsuit has been filed in court. https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/CaseDetails?docketId=zK1mcFD/pn6UCRb1Vsp2AA== Blowing up your entire professional life seems like a weird way to get a divorce.

McKoijion

How many American ships have randomly caught on fire in the past few weeks? Three? Both aircraft carriers and now an Arleigh-Burke destroyer that's theoretically supposed to escort oil tankers through the Strait? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fire-aboard-navy-destroyer-uss-higgins-officials-say/ar-AA227btq https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fire-broke-another-us-navy-204325937.html https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0rjr28nxrwo

Eastern-Joke-7537

“Their remotes require AA batteries!!!”

Rammagedon

Mojtaba bought Google calls so he's celebrating with a bit of AA fire.

Responsible-Pie-2501

Lots of analysts at the local 6pm AA meeting tonight

BGID_to_the_moon

There's little to no default risk on high rated corporate bonds. If the large and highly reputable corps (microsoft, apple, jnj, etc) issuing AAA and AA bonds actually defaulted, the country is likely in dire straits.

AndItsThetaAgain

Addiction is the disease The focus of the addiction can always change Which is why alcoholics see at risk for things like sex addiction Hot tip, find a date at AA but not NA Really different kind of parties

whatworldwhy

I use Famli, but since it relies on AA, 75-80% data comes in, rest I add manually. [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.famli.app](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.famli.app)

skymagic

Bro just got out of AA

CommunismDoesntWork

Here's a list of sources that all confirm Elon is an engineer, and the chief engineer at SpaceX: # Statements by SpaceX Employees **Tom Mueller** Tom Mueller is one of SpaceX's earliest employees. He served as the Propulsion CTO from 2002 to 2019. He's regarded as one of the foremost spacecraft propulsion experts in the world and owns many patents for propulsion technologies. >Space.com: During your time working with Elon Musk at SpaceX, what were some important lessons you learned from each other?   >   >**Mueller:** Elon was the best mentor I've ever had. Just how to have drive and be an entrepreneur and influence my team and really make things happen. He's a super smart guy and he learns from talking to people. He's so sharp, he just picks it up. When we first started he didn't know a lot about propulsion. He knew quite a bit about structures and helped the structures guys a lot. Over the twenty years that we worked together, *now he's practically running propulsion there because he's come up to speed* and he understands how to do rocket engines, which are really one of the most complex parts of the vehicle. *He's always been excellent at architecting the whole mission, but now he's a lot better at the very small details of the combustion process.* Stuff I learned over a decade-and-a-half at TRW he's picked up too. [Source](https://www.space.com/tom-mueller-impulse-space-mira-spacecraft) &#x200B; >Not true, I am an advisor now. Elon and the Propulsion department are leading development of the SpaceX engines, particularly Raptor. I offer my 2 cents to help from time to time" [Source](https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560?s=20) &#x200B; >We’ll have, you know, a group of people sitting in a room, making a key decision. And everybody in that room will say, you know, basically, “We need to turn left,” and Elon will say “No, we’re gonna turn right.” You know, to put it in a metaphor. And that’s how he thinks. He’s like, “You guys are taking the easy way out; we need to take the hard way.”   >   >And, uh, I’ve seen that hurt us before, I’ve seen that fail, but I’ve also seen— where nobody thought it would work— it was the right decision. It was the harder way to do it, but in the end, it was the right thing. [Source](https://streamable.com/4o1k6d) &#x200B; **Kevin Watson:**  Kevin Watson developed the avionics for Falcon 9 and Dragon. He previously managed the Advanced Computer Systems and Technologies Group within the Autonomous Systems Division at NASA's Jet Propulsion laboratory. &#x200B; >Elon is brilliant. He’s involved in just about everything. He understands everything. If he asks you a question, you learn very quickly not to go give him a gut reaction.   >   >He wants answers that get down to the fundamental laws of physics. One thing he understands really well is the physics of the rockets. He understands that like nobody else. The stuff I have seen him do in his head is crazy.   >   >He can get in discussions about flying a satellite and whether we can make the right orbit and deliver Dragon at the same time and solve all these equations in real time. It’s amazing to watch the amount of knowledge he has accumulated over the years. Source (Ashlee Vance's Biography). &#x200B; **Garrett Reisman** Garrett Reisman ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Reisman)) is an engineer and former NASA astronaut. He joined SpaceX as a senior engineer working on astronaut safety and mission assurance. &#x200B; >“I first met Elon for my job interview,” Reisman told the USA TODAY Network's Florida Today. “All he wanted to talk about were technical things. We talked a lot about different main propulsion system design architectures.   >   >“At the end of my interview, I said, ‘Hey, are you sure you want to hire me? You’ve already got an astronaut, so are you sure you need two around here?’ ” Reisman asked. “He looked at me and said, ‘I’m not hiring you because you’re an astronaut. I’m hiring you because you’re a good engineer.’ ”   >   >“He’s obviously skilled at all those different functions, but certainly what really drives him and where his passion really is, is his role as CTO,” or chief technology officer, Reisman said. “Basically his role as chief designer and chief engineer. That’s the part of the job that really plays to his strengths." ([Source](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/26/spacex-how-elon-musk-took-idea-cusp-history/5257977002/)) &#x200B; >What's really remarkable to me is the breadth of his knowledge. I mean I've met a lot of super super smart people but they're usually super super smart on one thing and he's able to have conversations with our top engineers about the software, and the most arcane aspects of that and then he'll turn to our manufacturing engineers and have discussions about some really esoteric welding process for some crazy alloy and he'll just go back and forth and his ability to do that across the different technologies that go into rockets cars and everything else he does. ([Source](https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=390)) &#x200B; **Josh Boehm** Josh Boehm is the former Head of Software Quality Assurance at SpaceX. >Elon is both the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Technology Officer of SpaceX, so of course he does more than just ‘some very technical work’. He is integrally involved in the actual design and engineering of the rocket, and at least touches every other aspect of the business (but I would say the former takes up much more of his mental real estate). Elon is an engineer at heart, and that’s where and how he works best. ([Source](https://www.quora.com/Does-Elon-Musk-do-some-very-technical-work-code-design-etc-at-SpaceX/answer/Josh-Boehm?ch=10&share=8dc8bc2e&srid=Xuwj)) # Statements by External Observers **Robert Zubrin** Robert Zubrin ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Zubrin)) is an aerospace engineer and author, best known for his advocacy of human exploration of Mars. >When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001. By 2007 he knew everything about rockets - he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people. ([Source](https://www.wired.co.uk/article/whats-driving-elon-musk)) **John Carmack** John Carmack ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carmack)) is a programmer, video game developer and engineer. He's the founder of Armadillo Aerospace and current CTO of Oculus VR. >Elon is definitely an engineer. He is deeply involved with technical decisions at spacex and Tesla. He doesn’t write code or do CAD today, but he is perfectly capable of doing so. ([Source](https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200?s=19)) &#x200B; **Eric Berger** Eric Berger is a space journalist and [Ars Technica's senior space editor](https://arstechnica.com/author/ericberger/). >True. Elon is the chief engineer in name and reality. ([Source](https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1265080905854574592?s=20)) &#x200B; **Christian Davenport** Christian Davenport is [the Washington Post's defense and space reporter](https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/christian-davenport/) and the author of "Space Barons". The following quotes are excerpts from his book. >He dispatched one of his lieutenants, Liam Sarsfield, then a high-ranking NASA official in the office of the chief engineer, to California to see whether the company was for real or just another failure in waiting.   >   >Most of all, he was impressed with Musk, who was surprisingly fluent in rocket engineering and understood the science of propulsion and engine design. Musk was intense, preternaturally focused, and extremely determined. “This was not the kind of guy who was going to accept failure,” Sarsfield remembered thinking. &#x200B; # Statements by Elon Himself >Yes. The design of Starship and the Super Heavy rocket booster I changed to a special alloy of stainless steel. I was contemplating this for a while. And this is somewhat counterintuitive. It took me quite a bit of effort to convince the team to go in this direction. ([Source](https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a25953663/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel/)) &#x200B; >Interviewer: You probably don't remember this. A very long time ago, many, many, years, you took me on a tour of SpaceX. And the most impressive thing was that you knew every detail of the rocket and every piece of engineering that went into it. And I don't think many people get that about you.   >   >Elon: Yeah. I think a lot of people think I'm kind of a business person or something, which is fine. Business is fine. But really it's like at SpaceX, Gwynne Shotwell is Chief Operating Officer. She manages legal, finance, sales, and general business activity. And then my time is almost entirely with the engineering team, working on improving the Falcon 9 and our Dragon spacecraft and developing the Mars Colonial architecture. At Tesla, it's working on the Model 3 and, yeah, so I'm in the design studio, take up a half a day a week, dealing with aesthetics and look-and-feel things. And then most of the rest of the week is just going through engineering of the car itself as well as engineering of the factory. Because the biggest epiphany I've had this year is that what really matters is the machine that builds the machine, the factory. And that is at least two orders of magnitude harder than the vehicle itself. ([Source](https://www.ycombinator.com/future/elon/)) 

Lucky-Telephone7880

One 10-1 reverse stock split coming up chef AA. 🧑‍🍳

Starzwell

AA guns we’re going off around Tehran either due to people celebrating during a march or a false alarm

elgatosucio

Reports coming that Ghalibaf has resigned from his position. Which signals that the IRGC has won the power struggle within the regime and deplomacy is less likely. Also reports of AA over Tehran.

DingleJingle_

Reports from Iranian media of AA in Tehran. Targeting hostiles.

Ok-Target3363

Ugh yeah welcome to the AA meeting dude, would you like to share something with the group ?

0____0_0

When addicts relapse, but it goes really well for them, what does AA say? Cause that's what I did with CAR (so far)

JiffKewneye-n

my speculation: there were unconfirmed reports of explosions in Tehran last night.- this had the effect of oil immediately gaining a few dollars, and spy dropping .75. just a few minutes later, it was cleared up that it was a drill by Iran testing AA capabilities. but a resumption of missiles looks increasingly likely. diplomacy has gotten nowhere to date, and Iran is chilling in the shade of the oasis with the water, and the US is stuck in the desert. if the war resumes, the bottom could drop out of the market, and nobody wants to be last. profit taking? the US just dismissed their head of the navy. makes you wonder.

avdvetf

bul r fuk >Right now we’re seeing multiple social media reports of activity (AA, explosions) in Tehran, Qom, Isfahan, Karaj — but no confirmation yet from Reuters, AP, BBC, or Iranian state media.

Relevant-Doctor187

They will prop up a corpse of an airline to say competition when approving the AA/UA merger.

Backshots4you

Please just let United buy American, AA is basically Spirit with full rates. I hate AA so much

MagJack

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personalfinance/who-can-someone-like-me-turn-to-i-m-83-and-lost-all-my-money-in-the-stock-market-i-get-little-social-security-but-do-have-8k-what-s-my-move/ar-AA21o0zZ This is how many people here's future?

Inquisitive_idiot

Aksuallly:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/top-stocks/avis-stock-up-another-23-amid-short-squeeze-two-investors-control-over-100-of-shares/ar-AA21kSrc?

SquashSquigglyShrimp

Not sure what you're talking about, the picture is right there. They're clearly making phones that run on AA batteries

guhhhh_MU

drill team 6 has been taken out by AA fire in tehran

Odd_Veterinarian4381

Morning sell-offs like this are usually a gift for fundamental investors who can separate legal noise from cash flow reality. I’m part of a small independent research team (XIPEN). We are three people: a researcher, a PhD in Process Modeling, and a PhD in Quantum Mathematics. We built a quantitative engine to treat financial statements as clinical data, removing the emotional "Magnificent 7" bias. We just ran $META through our **Hybrid DCF** stress test, and the discrepancy between the market and the math is one of the widest we’ve seen in the tech sector. **The XIPEN Metrics for Meta Platforms:** * **Intrinsic Value:** $1,047.93 (Current Price \~$670) * **Margin of Safety:** 56.4% * **Quality Score:** 78.75/100 (B+) You can check out our result in a friendly way in: [https://xipen.es/en/cards/?cromo=META](https://xipen.es/en/cards/?cromo=META) **Why our model sees $1k+ while the market panics:** * **The Capex "Fear":** Investors are worried about infrastructure spending. Our **Lifecycle Score (0.134)** uses sigmoidal convergence to model this. At 0.13, Meta is still in a prime "Growth Cycle" (4/4/3 year phases). Our engineering lead models their reinvestment not just as "spending," but as **Sales-to-Capital efficiency**. Even with massive Capex, their ability to convert that capital into future revenue is top-tier. * **Risk & Discounting:** We don't use a random 8% discount rate. We build a **bottom-up Beta (1.39)** specifically for Internet Content & Information and infer a **synthetic AA credit rating** from their Interest Coverage Ratio (71.4x). This provides a clinical, risk-adjusted WACC that accounts for the current 4.44% Risk-Free rate. * **Returns (Pillar 1):** Meta has a **100/100** score in Returns. Their ROIC and ROE are practically unbeatable in the sector. **Conclusion:** From a Process Modeling perspective, the layoffs and legal setbacks are friction, but they don't break the "Metabolic Rate" of Meta’s cash generation. Our math suggests that at $670, you are buying a world-class asset with a nearly 60% discount on its fundamental value. We are bullish, but we’d love to hear from you: Is the "Magnificent 7" pullback a structural shift in risk, or are we just seeing the market misprice Capex-heavy winners again? *Not financial advice. Just the output of our multidisciplinary research lab.*

McKoijion

I guess the steak and lobster budget has run out. https://www.newsweek.com/photos-shocking-meals-served-us-troops-iran-war-11844166 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-military-served-gray-object-amid-food-shortages-as-morale-at-all-time-low/ar-AA218yv9

Prematurid

I believe Iran said no to that?[Yep, they did.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-refuses-to-join-latest-round-of-peace-talks-as-trump-sends-top-envoys-to-pakistan-claims-us-has-unrealistic-demands/ar-AA21fYoY)

notapersonaltrainer

The [magazine covers](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HFetx48W0AA0yN8?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) got max bearish.

9tacos

AA noooooooo

Heffe3737

Sure that’s fair. I think a carve out for warships is reasonable. As far as the blockade goes, the running assumption is because they don’t want to risk US ships actually in the strait itself due to its tight confines and the increased risk to the ships, so that’s why the blockade is farther out in the Gulf of Oman. Mines are a risk certainly, but one that I imagine would be easier to sweep for. Though they might only need a few smaller rugs or trawlers to deploy more, which would be difficult to deal with. Drones on the other hand… the US is already potentially struggling with AA munitions - I wouldn’t count on their ability to stave off Iranian drones indefinitely. There’s only so many four million dollar PAC3 missiles you can fire at $40k, lawn-mower engine driven drones before that math stops mathing. Hopefully the US will start learning from Ukraine and start up production on interceptor drones post-haste.

ALQU1MISTA

Why didn't mentioned the same for SCHW. I think it's better opportunity https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/charles-schwab-to-launch-direct-bitcoin-ether-trading-to-compete-with-robinhood/ar-AA212QYh

baconography

AA dropped 2% in 20 minutes into close. Before the earnings report. Which then dumped an extra 6.5%. Of course, a normal SEC *should* be all over this with an investigation, but this one is too stacked with cronies pimping mangocoin instead.

Ancient_Brick_8117

AA seems underrated imo

KeyInstruction641

[What it really means that a failing shoe brand “pivoted to AI” and its stock soared 700 percent](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/what-it-really-means-that-a-failing-shoe-brand-pivoted-to-ai-and-its-stock-soared-700-percent/ar-AA212kX4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=69e12e21739a47ceb526b2d64cfae0db&ei=24) It means that the bots and Ai fools are as retarded as us. It also means my retirement is fukt. Damn.

KeyInstruction641

[Coachella attendees slam 'criminal' food prices as festival costs skyrocket](https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/coachella-attendees-slam-criminal-food-prices-as-festival-costs-skyrocket/ar-AA20NxbO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=69e12b10d2e34326a71ae325e9550029&ei=19) Too funny. Left coast "look at me" rich retards grumping about a $100 pizza. Stop going then dumbass.

KeyInstruction641

[Top TikTok influencer signed a huge $975M deal before mysteriously going silent. Now trading platforms have restricted trading stock tied to the deal](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/top-tiktok-influencer-signed-a-huge-975m-deal-before-mysteriously-going-silent-now-trading-platforms-have-restricted-trading-stock-tied-to-the-deal/ar-AA212gB5?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=69e12a2a280f446ab52ec5e02da4a4d2&ei=19).... I'm confused too. So Imma retire behind Wendy's?

dietchlicious

Why is AA on the board?

Total_Schedule591

Ah yes my favorite tickers, AA, AB, AC, AD, AABB

No-Jump-9694

“Awareness without action is bullshit” my moms AA sponsor said to her 35 years ago. Now she has 40 years in sobriety

Icy_Jelly_315

Puts on AA, I hear the second A is unachievable. Your first meeting be like Hey Jimmy how you doing, didn't expect to see you here, Fred, etc

SouthNice7324

Is that Alcoholics Anonymous on the board? Calls on AA bears

saduglystoopid

All in on $$AA

AirportMaterial5917

What the f are these tickers AA AB ABNB ABTC ACET ACH

McKoijion

This isn't market hysteria. It's outright fraud. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/struggling-shoe-retailer-allbirds-makes-bizarre-pivot-to-ai-adds-127-million-in-value/ar-AA20WXow The same thing applies to the market overall.

No_Fig_7835

Fuck! AA and AB are down