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NQ Plan for Friday 11/17: Will the Longs be Awoken?
Market Profile Analysis on TSLA going into Friday's Session
All eyes on SPX 4500 as we break break into positive gamma territory
Upcoming Earnings Releases for the week beginning July 11th, 2022
SPX and VIX options to trade an extra 45 minutes beginning Monday
Fitting GEX and DIX into your tiny, tiny brains in case it helps you trade better
Why can’t options be tradeable 24/7 or atleast pre market/after hours?
$PROG Whale Print - Last Order During RTH: bid: $3.51 ask: $3.52 spot: $3.54. 44k shares.
Is Interactive Brokers trying to jam me up on non-executed AMC orders?
Is there a Canadian ETF that is the same/very similar to RTH ETF?
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The only way to do what you're suggesting really is to just move the deadline for exercise to the end of RTH. Exercising an option isn't really the same as trading it. At least for American style options, which is what these discussions are around, exercising involves an actual transfer of stock at an obligated price.
Again, I disagree, the fact that options can be exercised an hour and half after close is a minor detail, it can vary broker to broker, and is irrelevant to nearly all option trading styles and option trades. It is by definition a quirk of expiration. It's not like they don't understand options exercising, they just think like everything else they interact with options on, the cut off is end of RTH. Sure it's probably something they should at least investigate if they have options expiring around the strike. Hell I'd argue rho actually impacts way more option trades than this aspect
I disagree, someone not knowing that an option expiring on a day can be exercised after market close is a perfectly reasonable quirk for someone to be confused about. Someone defaulting to thinking options only act during RTH because everything they interact with is restricted to RTH. It's something someone should know, but it's a rare edge case. The way I trade options it'd be unlikely to come up, but I have literally never had a trade where the fact that exercise happens an hour and a half after close has had a tangible impact. For most people it's a fact that won't actually impact their trades. Should someone know it? Absolutely, again especially because it shows up on reddit every other day. But it's not some fact where I'd scoff and go "This person is an idiot!" because they didn't know it.
FRIDAY HAD A VERY ALARMING NOTE. ALMOST THE WHOLE MARKET OPENED RED. MANY DEFENSIVE/NON-CYCLICAL OPENED GREEN. EARLY WARNING SIGN? HMMM STILL COOKING. FYI, DARKPOOLS ARE NOT FOR YOU PREMARKET AND POST-MARKET TOO. YOU ARE MEANT FOR THE PUBLIC RTH EVEN IF YOU DON’T ALWAYS TRADE IN RTH. SO = YOU DO NOT CONTROL HOW THE MARKET OPENS. THEN WHO CONTROLLED THE OPEN ON FRIDAY? USE UR BUTT, I MEAN MIND… [The more downvotes the more I’m right. Doing the opposite of WSB (of non controversial comments) is officially a strategy].
You should never sell an option you can't defend. If your selling a put on a stock you can get short the stock at your strike most brokerages offer 24hour trading so assuming your not selling 100 lots you should be able to get an order filled at the very least limiting your loss to a manageable dollar amount. Theres no reason you should have an account blowing event. Market stop orders will fill during RTHs after hours unless you see the event happening you have to hope limit orders will fill but likely they won't and market stop orders won't execute outside of RTH's
You have to watch option chain volumes to sus out gamma exposure (aka gex). Price goes to size. Like yesterday premarket I was in discord, telling a guy that I saw signs of demand at spx 6712-6715 just in the price action, but he was adamant that the gex showed 6630 was a target. As it turned out we were both right! Price went down to 6631.75ish after RTH open and bounced back up over 6715 by eod.
Just learned you can’t sell fractional shares outside RTH, :(
This has been the /ES pattern lately: new ath overnight or near RTH open in the pre... Initial rush of FOMO call buying at open into a healthy pruning by about 10:30 est selling the top to eventually retest the session low and reap that call premium for market makers. Bounce/chop inside daily range out the rest of the session. Ezpz watch.
Yes, you regard, during RTH stocks will halt if they are deemed too volatile.
1DTE if for suckers. 0DTE or fuck off. I'll occasionally do an SPX call or put in the last 10 mins of RTH. Likely to expire worthless but sometimes that volatitties going into close gives you 800%+
Don’t forget ASST went from 1.65 - 1.39 in RTH. This is just profit taking and paper hands that are scared to hold overnight
In at 2.31 out at 6. If PM runs it up to nearly $9 and it opens RTH under $7, the pull is on for sure. GTFO ASAP was the only way. Sold at 8:32 cst. Trade it don't date it.
🦧 has outside RTH, bananas 🍌 & BYND
Just bought a call always seems to bounce on that RTH gap around the 33$ mark
Something off something is off. There was a large sell off of volume on SPY/QQQ etc at EOD. Enough to make all of my oscillators spike . If you look at any of the leveraged bear ETFs like QID (2X bear QQQ) you can see that earlier today there was a bunch of volume buying back stock. At EOD you can see buying volume on all of the bear ETFs. You can also see a spike in volume on spy puts at strikes that had no previous volume today also for Wednesday expiry. You can also see a spike in VIX1M calls at EOD RTH.
No, definitely something is off. There was a large sell off of volume on SPY/QQQ etc at EOD. If you look at any of the leveraged bear ETFs like QID (2X bear QQQ) you can see that earlier today there was a bunch of volume buying back stock. At EOD you can see buying volume on all of the bear ETFs. You can also see a spike in volume on spy puts at strikes that had no previous volume today also for Wednesday expiry. You can also see a spike in VIX1M calls at EOD RTH.
I’ve been doing a bunch of research lately and found that these emini futures work very well to track, especially for overnight flow. I need to do a lot more research but it definitely seems like there’s patterns between what happens overnight with these mini futures and then what happens during RTH in North American markets. Like on Thursday night/Friday morning the gold and silver sell off started around 7am EST-> 9am and you can clearly see it on these emini future price charts
cant sell non index options outside RTH 😭😭😭😭
watch it moon in RTH 🫵🤡
okay bulls, if futures loses 6653 and doesn't recover it tomorrow during RTH, we are going down, down, down.
Why my Outside RTH orders didn't go through?
Dunno but that drop and that Friday MOC was way too low for that move imo. But anyways at least he did it during RTH not after mkt close.
NVDA you pussy...pooosaay!! Do it for reals in the damn RTH you shit. Cant see shit with options fucking dead now!!!!
AMD still pumping away after RTH. Calm down yo!
as long as people realise they don't go into effect out of RTH 😉
You can buy in premarket (select outside RTH if offered), but if you can't, then the order will be submitted when market opens
no idea. i use ibkr. above i said can be traded outside RTH
I get less slippage and significantly lower commissions trading options on SPY instead of SPX. Margin is exactly the same. Tax treatment doesn't affect me as I am not US citizen. But I prefer SPX for most trades because options trade outside RTH and it's cash settled.
? Cant your platform purchase outside RTH ?
wrong. check SPX futs & options, they are trading outside RTH now
The highest rated (at the moment) comment on this thread is absurd. Sorry. Cashing out end of day assumes that the majority of trades are by day traders when institutional traders represent 98.5% of the trades on the chart. There's hedging going on there's recalibration for 0dte options and any number of other things going on. A few things that are seasonal with that time of day; there's the shift to a new 4 hr segment around which there's higher volatility (same as 10 am), there are major news releases at 14 and 14:30, especially the Fed has news releases then. The other time of the day which is news heavy is 7:30 et when lots of big swings happen also. It used to also be when institutional trades got access to the end of day order book (if you're thinking of historical data) but that is a lot less relevant now. As to when the institutions reallign there order books just check the volume at the end of the day there is always a massive spike a minute before the RTH ends. Price doesn't always move that much though because of it though sometimes it moves a ton. Generally I try to stay away from it but will occasionally put on a very low risk trade. As to these end of the day trades I think they have more to do with the Odtes and witching days when multiple contracts expire which adds another layer of volatility as people are caught offsides and need to readjust. There's a false narrative that's easy to fall prey to that everybody's trying to do the same thing as you. They aren't.
I sell 3 SPX contracts each and every day, at 9am I make the decision whether I'm selling calls or puts based on all the available info news etc order flow Yada Yada Yada.... Im obviously selling the opposite direction I'm expecting the market to trade. Shortly after RTH open between 945 and 1005 I sell what I've decided to sell usually 2 strikes from spot at the time of execution. In the event of a defence. Assume I decided puts were the play today.... I will enter a sell stop market for 6 ES contracts at 1 pt the ES equivalent above my SPX strike. Assuming I'm short I'm looking for a bounce to cover on so that the area I need to get short to protect my premium collection is now lower then my sold strike. Does it always work out this way?????Absolfuckenlutely not ....... At best 15% of the time does the retailer/optimum subscriber get to cover and forget......
Funny of you to think institutions trade only in RTH
really wish we can buy option outside RTH like options on SPX or futures
Yes we have, highest during RTH
WWR – End of Regular Hours Recap (Aug 20) – Shorts Leaning, $0.70 Holding Closed RTH at $0.7081, with AH already ticking down to $0.7000. The range today was $0.675 – $0.750, almost an 11% swing. Looks ugly on the chart, but the flow + order book show more going on than just “selling.” Order Flow Snapshot Inflows: $42.4M Outflows: $30.1M Large Orders: +$14.9M (green again after last week’s -$66M) So even while price was pushed down, more money came in than went out. Medium and small sells did the capping — not big exits. Tape & Book Action Push to $0.75 early → heavy walls appeared on the ask. Walked down steadily through the afternoon. EMAs (5/10/20) rolled bearish late session = shorts pressing momentum. Bid support kept showing at $0.70–0.68, no clean break yet. Why I’m Watching Long 1. Retail Float Control – 83.6% retail-owned, 10.3% insiders, 7.7% institutions (Vanguard, BlackRock, Geode). Shorts can lean, but they don’t own the book. 2. Short Interest Rising – +3,200% surge recently, \~1.8% float. Pressure is building. 3. Big Buys Returning – large orders flipped green the past two sessions. That matters more than algos dumping 200–500 share lots. Key Levels Support: $0.70 → $0.68 (needs to hold) Resistance: $0.75 (today’s cap) → $0.95 → $1.32 (52w high) Game Plan If $0.70 holds into tomorrow, I’m long-biased. Break above $0.75 with >1.5M volume = shorts in trouble, next stop $0.95+. Lose $0.68 with volume = retest of $0.65 (50d MA). --- Not advice — just reading the tape. Curious if others are seeing the same pressure into the close and whether that $0.70 wall can keep holding.
Buying calls after UNH pumped +46% in about a week leaving a massive daily RTH gap and being extremely over bought on the 4h plus +15% above the 10 day MA?? Oof..
I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but isn't a stop limit sell order triggered when a stock drops past a specified stop point, effectively cutting losses? If you wanna take profit I presume you would need a limit / trail / trail limit sell order? As for IBKR, unless you attach the stop loss and profit takers when you buy the stock, as far as I know the only way to do it is to set up a one-cancel-another (OCA) order. I recently set a limit sell order as profit taker and stop limit order as stop loss recently and it worked fine. Remember that trail and stop orders don't work outside RTH -- you need trail limit and stop limit if you want these mechanics (but the risk is that the volatility is so high that the prices just skip past your limits and the orders don't get filled).
It's very strange how gold always gets a permabid whenever RTH opens, but never during overnight trading
I cut that today, i entered on a hard pull back from shorts off the news yesterday morning. It closed right above the 200ema resistance at 1.85 so I held today all day and cut right before market close during RTH due to 0 volume. I’ve always kept $GELS on my watch though bc it trades so thinly and when it runs it runs typically pretty hard https://preview.redd.it/x1qzqqc09qdf1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e4d656971c134104c6462fed3fcfb7b2ca132cb
$GELS , good news last night into this morning. Should get above $2 today in AH or tomorrow during RTH
QQQ just respecting the upsloping trendline on the 30m (RTH only charts)
on trading view do you guys use RTH or ETH?
A bottom in time, not the exact price. SOXL peaked for the year in July 2024 (huh, funny that) and spent a grand total of 60 minutes at $8 or below on 4/7 and 4/8 this year in RTH. Color me skeptical for not believing that you caught the bottom after a 9-month drawdown of 90% You're welcome. Good luck with the rest of this bull leg
3:15 PM is when RTH ends and curb starts. Curb ends at 4 PM Chicago. What exactly is the point? That you don't like their definition of "nearly 24 hours"?
>Yes, 7:15 PM (Chicago) on Sunday is when the SPX options open up. Close for 15 minutes at 8:15 AM before the opening bell and RTH. They trade through to 4 PM (Chicago) for the curb session, then re-open at 7:15 PM. It says trade through to **3:15 PM** (Chicago) for the curb session, not 4PM (Chicago). But the bottom line is there is no trading hours between **3:15 PM** (Chicago) and 7**:15 PM** (Chicago), so it is only nearly 20 hours per day, there is also 5 minutes no trading session before market open. To be precise, it only trades 19 hour and 55 minute per day, nowhere close to nearly 24 hour
Yes, 7:15 PM (Chicago) on Sunday is when the SPX options open up. Close for 15 minutes at 8:15 AM before the opening bell and RTH. Then re-open at 7:15 PM.
Overnight moves then chop RTH.
Wall St must love the RTH volume, every rip sold off since 10:30am
First time buying spx calls outside RTH was when we were -1.3% earlier
This isn’t a bad trade post, this is a missed opportunity post. This happened during the regular session, and if it was AH, a stop loss would be irrelevant since they can’t be executed outside RTH…genius.
TSLA RTH is a great buying opportunity. There will be some gap up
I fuck with futures and long NQ into close during algo time, which is to say, the last 10 mins of RTH. On rare occasions algo time starts 15 mins out.
I know IBKR supports the extended hours on both SPX and XSP. For SPX (and I believe XSP is the same), there is a "curb session" from 4:15 PM to 5:00 PM Eastern after the normal RTH hours. The options then re-open at 8:15 PM Eastern for overnight ("Global Trading Hours") and trade until 9:15 A.M. Then the normal RTH hours of 9:30 AM to 4:15 PM. You can look at CBOE's website for more information.
Is charm even the right thing to optimize here? Aren't you mainly looking for a very high price to sell the roll for? (unless you also want to optimize for short gamma/speed/etc) So if the ATM calendar is $2 and my 1.5 SD OTM calendar is $0.08, couldn't I just say limit sell the calendar at $0.40 or $0.80 or $0.16 or something? (otherwise just join the market if the short-dated gets down below $0.05 or something). Couldn't it be simpler and maybe even more resilient to just use the calendar spread prices maybe with some triggers on underlying price and the front contract price? But to answer your question, I don't see why you couldn't compute charm using hours instead of days (I'm not 100% sure how non-RTH hours are priced including the time between fixing time and exercise cutoff time, but those should be smaller factors most of the time). Much more work, though since it might be very custom and manual
Are you confident in your price? The yield will probably run higher than for treasuries. If your price is off and too conservative, it won't fill. Also make sure you've set the "Outside RTH" flag if needed and aren't trying to trade when the product doesn't trade (eg, 9:15-9:30 AM ET or 5 PM - 8:15 PM ET)
If ES\_F reclaims 5925 it’ll fly direct 10-20 points Fully retrace complete time to see 6000 in RTH 
All week this market just crawls in one direction 90% of the time during RTH.
Look at my comment history you triggered bear was short during during RTH the last 3 days and have just been buying the dips at the same time.
Huh? The options are auto exercised if ITM based on the closing price (RTH), unless a DNE instruction is given by the long option holder. You won't know whether your shares were called away until probably Monday or tomorrow at the earliest. Even if you did know, the broker isn't going to automatically buy more shares for you. You'd have to do it yourself if you're so inclined. There is no "cash bonus".
No makes 2 am futures look like RTH
They releasing this so futures pump their dicks off night and then on confirmation in the morning it RTH will pump even more Absolute master class by the trump administration
And by deal, Trump means he lowers to tariffs on China by Half Guarantee it They’re just trying to pump markets, so knowing that is their intention, watch out. They don’t want to make any announcements until they can capitalize on them, whether it be overnight or RTH. Fully expect them to lower tariffs to give the market something to chew on.
Notice the pattern where futures gets really excited about the noise-news and then the RTH fades it This goes for bull and bear noise-news
Tfw my genius moment of selling my GOOG today only netted me 300 bucks, bought back in Outside RTH after the dumb drop. Clawing back my options losses 
TTM squeeze by John Carter. Free version is ok. ORB, you can set your own ranges first 15 min candle of RTH market open. Bottom, top of candle. There are indicators if you'd like though. DM if you'd like
depends on the platform you're using, it may be a standard feature, it may be something you need to have authorized, but OTH, stands for outside of trading hours, stock trading RTH is usually standard, however, since you're talking about options, options, trading OTH, requires platform authorization and will enable you to participate in sometimes very profitable transactions which happen during the much narrower and less liquid overnight market
Market moves outside RTH these days, meaning it will open Monday -7%
Head on a swivel though. This expected move down will be met with an Ax Trump is holding. They knew this was coming, and that’s the likely reason they haven’t announced a trade deal. Lutnick said yesterday he has at least one done. If RTH drops too much it will find a bid followed by a major news catalyst. Watch for the orange man’s tweets.
Actually, the problem is that they DID work outside our RTH, which cost me heavily today. I got wicked out badly a few minutes after close, on stops I assumed had expired.
you might need to set your order containing your stops to "work outside of RTH"
Whales are buying to suck in the rubes (retail) then dump in the overnight outside RTH using dark pools. Rubes wake up and see spikes up and down when those trades hit the tape. Because this all happens outside RTH stop loss orders do not trigger until the market opens. Also options volume and option open interest causes market makers to buy and sell to remain neutral and create liquidity in the market. Retails plays checkers and whales 🐋 play multidimensional chess.
I'd think something that can work is use the TQQQ to target yesterdays RTH range. I'd probably suggest using a butterfly and Set it for something like: \+50p 4/25 \-45p 4/25 X2 \+40p 4/25 You can get this right now for about 130 each, and your BE is between $41.3 and $48.7. I'd look for an exit at about 200 each.
this is factually correct. I just rolled SPX option an hour ago, and it's 100% not US market hours (: perhaps you don't know how to set "outside RTH" flag?
No. Just select outside RTH. Works for spx xsp and vix options
Why do we even bother with trading during regular hours? The big boys decide everything in the last 5 minutes ant outside of RTH anyway.
Why do we even bother trading in RTH?
I’m pretty sure you just have to check the RTH box on the order? I haven’t tried yet tho
IBKR: Order type: limit - enter whatever you're willing to pay, in your case that would be today's close price. Time in force: - change to "Good till cancel" - toggle "outside RTH" This will buy at the earliest possible time provided someone is willing to sell at that price.
What are you looking at? You gotta look the future markets and not RTH. Goddamn bro
Summary of Yesterday’s plays in the … (see my bio for link) $AREB 10 to 14.9 … 49 % (overnight held) Second alert 11 to 13.9 26% (RTH) $FAAS 0.32 to 0.37 … 16% (overnight held) $FOXO 0.123 to 0.218… 78% (swing payed) 0.128 to 0.149 … (RTH) $NAOV 9.3 to 16.6 … 79% (RTH) $GLXG 1.9 to 2.81 … 48% $SUNE. 0.041 to 0.061 … 50% (held overnight) $BON 0.065 to 0.075 … 15% (RTH) $SVRE 1.59 to 3.97 … 150% (RTH) $FMTO 3.06 to 6.8 … 122% (AH Play)
right that's what i was thinking so it's not just like a -7 day it's just from wherever it was in RTH
Hey, I totally apologize for overlooking this. You don't pay margin on futures. Each contract has an Initial Margin requirement amount set to trade said contract. Then a Maintence Margin amount that if one goes below that in a move against requires adding to maintain the position or it will be liquidated by the broker. It's not the same as the Margin in a stock account. In that case one pays a rate to borrow funds beyond the amount of cash available for leveraging up. Then for futures there's also Day trade Margin. That's the reduction of Initial Margin for RTH only. It's also where those that don't mitigate RISK correctly by proper Position Sizing get into trouble and blow accounts by averaging losers. When leverage begins at around 20:1 and can ratchet higher from there, you can imagine the issue.
You can trade outside RTH, if you don't mind gaping spreads
It's actually the opposite. Doing it during RTH would allow for better liquidity and smaller moves. Watch it get bought back up once the market opens
I don't think they activate outside of RTH...
I really believed it couldn't happen... not 7%. But then again... I suppose it can't happen out of RTH
Monday I will get long ES at open IF spy holds 550 that would be like ES 5560 around there I will hold that position UNTIL MY PORT IS BLOWN  no I will take a small loss and find another trade later if we blow past 550 during RTH remember boys risk management is the key to survival live to trade another day
could happen! just need 5% overnight pump, then another 5% during RTH!
Earnings are typically announced before the earnings call. The call commonly goes over the earnings per share (EPS) and revenue for the last completed quarter, as well as guidance (business outlook) for the company going forward. But, perhaps a more direct response to your inquiry: Earnings releases and earnings calls tend to occur outside of regular trading hours (RTH), when options markets are closed. So, there's no official way to exit the options position immediately after the earnings release and before IV crush is factored in during the next RTH session.
its just a trade idea. short if it gets up there during the overnight session, or RTH session, stop loss above that resistance level
**July 2024:** *Kamala Krash* \- about 20 days and about -10% on SPY **Feb 2025:** *Mang'oh Crash* \- about 19 days, about -10% on SPY Neither is counting any after hours moves. Strictly NY RTH sessions.
Weird nobody mentioned this in the comments since it is r/options. The reason you don't see any movement outside RTH is because options can only be traded during RTH. Each option has its own mini stock market which is correlated to the underlying's price - but not always. It is not uncommon to see the underlying lose value \*and\* your put option lose value at the same time. So options and their underlying move separately. But if the underlying moves significantly outside RTH, unfortunately that also means your options do not get marked to market and you should see a market response only when the market opens for RTH.
572 level been pretty reliable like on a 30m (i dont look at the after hours or pre market only the RTH) today the 570 level holding (yesterdays low) nothing is guaranteeed, just use levels to create a plan (long or short)
Doubt it. You cannot exercise an option outside of RTH, neither can the brokerage. Besides, it would be more profitable to STC/BTC than to exercise and then close the position of shares - not that it is even possible. Just bad data on the brokerage.