GE

zen_and_artof_chaos

I'm up the same for GE

Puzzleheaded-Tip3991

Add: AAPL, AMZN, TSLA Remove: GE, XOM, IBM

CeruleanBlueSky

GE Vernova (GE). It's the energy company created in the GE breakup. It's been on a tear and don't forsee demand for energy dwindling.

TobakSeller

GE

SpiderPiggies

That top 10 list in 1990 is especially brutal. 1 Exxon 2 GE 3 IBM 4 ATT 5 Phillip Morris 6 Merck 7 Bristol-Myers 8 Dupont 9 Amoco 10 BellSouth

Valkanaa

I'm not even sure about Airbus, but yes I did that. Airlines come and go but only GE and RTX keep them in the air. RYCEY does too but they don't make engines for narrow body aircraft.

Infinite-Truth-6381

Like what many others have said here, airlines are really worth it. Low margins and low barriers of entry. You want to get into some sort of exposure to flying/ aerospace industries, GE Aerospace, Rolls-Royce, and Airbus are better to look at. Higher barriers of entry, pricing power, great business models, and predictable recurring revenue.

elgrandorado

Just hold over the long term and stop looking at meme stocks. I had to delete a TSLA hate comment I made because it's futile. Eventually gravity affects all stocks. Look at how long GE's valuation survived while it juiced up it's own books as an example through creative financial engineering.

Weak_Ostrich459

GE pumping because the bombers used had their engines in em lol

gappletwit

Look up how GE split last year.

ChaoticDad21

Lots of hype and marketing. Could they deliver something? Maaaaybe…but I think the bigger players (Westinghouse, GE, Terrapower, XEnergy, even Kairos) are more likely to succeed over Oklo.

UshioCheng

That happens. It is really unrelated especially if you are trading options. Got +73%/10k on BA puts I opened 3 day before the accident, felt real weird, but all I can say is I can't change shit so why not profit from them. Also btw NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE but I brought it because I believe BA will continue to fail at safety. From that accident video experts say that they saw RAT being deployed (i.e. all engine + AC bus failure) which most likely points to boeing, GE, or ground/maintance. The pilots simply can't screw up that bad in a 787 as the automation will save the plane as long as the engine works.

sandman2986

There are really three parts (4 if you include users) to the power game. Power creation, power storage and power transfer. If you look at just power creation, then you want to invest in gas turbine, nuclear, and futuristic creation like fusion. If you look at storage, then you want to find battery parts manufacturers. If you look at grid, then you want to look into power transfer infrastructure, capacitor, and companies that build and maintain those systems. Like many people mentioned, you are late but not too late. The grid is completely undersized and the amount of energy necessary for just cloud based and AI infrastructure if massive. Companies like Microsoft, Google, Meta are the users, but companies like GE, Chevron, 3M, DuPont, CEG, etc… all have a role to play. Just depends where YOU decide is the safest bet.

notreallydeep

Of course it is. So is GE Vernova. But these are the two companies benefitting the most from increased power/grid demand.

notreallydeep

Siemens Energy and GE Vernova.

Eascen

GE was a huge fucking profit if you held it. I averaged 87/share buying, sold at 200, it's at 250. And that doesn't count the shares of GEV and GEHC I got, which paid quite well.

TheCuriousBread

Surely with 100 shares and the BIG potential downside ahead. It'd be more prudent to buy married puts instead of gambling it away on a company with an already uncertain future. Alphabet has good revenue streams and a proven competitive advantage, but so did GE before it got chopped into a million pieces and rendered into obscurity.

Narcissist_X

Reverse split, just like GE

PotatoTrader1

Interesting take, what is the size of GE's battery business?

zero_cool_crash

GE

Real-Puzzle

so go for GE?

pzerr

This is common in all humanoid type robots. Is why the majority are connected to an extension cord. Tesla does not have special batteries to get around this nor do they build batteries. They purchase the right from the likes of Panasonic that are the real R&D behind it. Every movement in that robot is energy intensive. You would have to fill up every square space with battery to get some level of endurance. And even with that, you likely could only get a mile or two of walking. GE and the bigger manufactures mention that energy storage is always a challenge. Musk just lies about it. Programming a robot to dance is really easy. Getting it to do something useful much more difficult. Getting it to do a bunch of general purpose things, not even close to being there.

pzerr

Once of the issues is that Musk has been resource tunneling Tesla for a lot of years. Some of their best employees ended up working at SpaceX or X (Twitter). This has a massive effect on the innovative nature of any company. Basically Tesla has been the personal testing ground for Musk's private companies. And while it was ignored for a lot of years as the stock price ballooned, it is not ignored anymore. Having companies myself, the top 5% of your employees can truly be worth more then the bottom 95 in that they are hard to replace. They do have a decent battery company but lots of other companies have been doing this for a lot of years. Batteries systems they put in have nothing to do with long term storage. When I say long, I mean 24 hours. All there systems are simply to provide rapid action grid stability as grids are starting to have trouble staying reliable with a lot of unreliable power sources. If you have say a single natural gas generator go down or a sudden loss of sunlight due to say a storm over a very large array, you need something that can ,within seconds to ms, provide power for less than an hour. Something that instantly generates power till other systems can come up to speed. Because if something goes down unexpectedly, you can have a rapid cascading of power generations and massive power outages. I will agree that their energy company can be profitable but they are playing in a market with GE and other much bigger companies that do far far more work then Tesla and have 50 years of experience. It is not new.

thetreece

Of the original 12 industry giants on the Dow Jones Industrial Average, none are still on the list. Only one of the companies still exists (GE). Thinking that the current big players will always and forever be the biggest players is foolish. Another reason to invest in broad market index funds rather than tethering yourself to individual stocks and trying to time your exit.

MicroRootAI

Sold Apple at a split-adjusted ~$40 back in 2013 because I thought the iPhone boom had peaked still hurts to look at the chart. Kept GE all the way down through its 2017–2018 meltdown because “blue chips always bounce.” Spoiler: sometimes they don’t.

Ratsonlean

Go unote that by using it on the banker at the GE

Red_Sea_Pedestrian

Did you buy any GE stock? 😬

Vast_Cricket

only if you believe GE and Boeing commercial will not take down the earnings. Affordable price. I will add this a bit late. My SHLD is 300% over what I acquired in 2024 with overlap.

bltn2024

I'm a BRK shareholder, but frustrated by their lack of ability to find value in the booming tech sector, outside of their Apple play. Over last 15 years, their cumulative return is more than 1% per year behind the SP500. They had a golden opportunity this April. You don't have to be an oracle to know that Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, GE Vernova, etc at 25%+ drops would be good use of some of that 340 billion dollars. Now they're all 25-70% up since April lows. That's the kind of opportunities I'd like to see them pounce on more aggressively, not for the short term but long term play in AI. They aren't going to beat the SP500 index waiting for the next Duracell and the like. Charlie had it right - great companies at fair prices... Warren has become too gun shy.

Leroy--Brown

Meanwhile nuclear stocks, specifically SMRs have been going crazy lately due to 1) private investment and partnership with energy hungry tech companies and 2) a permissive regulatory environment thanks to the current regime. Wonder why they don't have a permissive regulatory stance on solar and wind power. Politicizing cheap electricity. Weird. Anyway, I like OKLO and SMR. GE vernova and CEG are also attractive to me.

BurstingTitan88

AAPL embracing its new role as the next GE

NoSingularities0

They're intentionally designed to die. There's a lightbulb in Livermore California that has pretty much been lit since 1901. It's only been turned off a handful of times. There was literally a consortium of lightbulb manufacturers founded in 1925 that set the lifespan of a lightbulb. GE and Philips were both part of that. It's the same reason a 6 year old iPhone runs like crap (software updates making it slower), it doesn't have an easily replacable battery, and also the reason that car manufacturers change the body style of the cars every year to every few years (even though the previous style was perfectly functional).

Throwingdartsmouth

Seems to me that lightbulbs really only break rather than die. If they were to "die," I would expect them to get dimmer over time or just stop working entirely suddenly. What I see instead though is that they flicker on and off like strobe lights, indicating that the lighting mechanisms still have the ability to produce the same light output as when fully functional, but that they're made like shit and break easily. Puts on GE, I guess.

Delicious-Proposal95

I just asked chat gpt. I asked for 1990-2000 the top 8 stocks were GE MSFT Walmart Intel Coke Cisco XOM and IBM (the tech stocks shifted to the top during their to late 90s similar to the shift NVDA and TSLA had) Total return was 296% with all 500 Total return without the top 8 was -19.5%

Real-Puzzle

equinity is the worst company, in terms of stock transfer agents, not sure why they moved away from computershare imo kickback from GE Board!

Real-Puzzle

the transfer agents for GE stocks is crap!!

stickman07738

Yes, it is a rare event for success with a concentrated portfolio. I have a hard time believing in this type of success as people rarely sell at the high and never talk about their losers. Many individual investors lack a strategy to control their downside risks. Buffet controls his loses just look at his PARA, supermarkets, airlines sales. HIs wealth came because he held on to his winners and sold strategically for better returns. I retired early 11 years ago because I have a strategy and have \~ 10 holdings in my active account. After removing my original investments dollars, I move them to my hold and forget portfolio. Today, it includes META(FB)-$19 cost basis, HON - $32, LLY - $60, AMD - $2.50, GE - $6 (now have all the spin-off too), BRK. - $120.

Jackprot69

First time ever with options, i bought $250 of OTM GE calls not knowing what I was doing. They fired the CEO the next day. 5x'd. Don't worry I've lost tons of money since then.

lonelylifts12

Most GE appliances I’ve used were not made in America. Honestly places I’ve lived that had GE I liked better than Whirlpool/Maytag. But Whirlpool/Maytag makes most of their stuff in America AFAIK.

lonelylifts12

I mean Korea has LG and Samsung to wash and cool their food. America has Whirlpool/Maytag which makes a lot of appliances in the US. We had GE appliances but they were sold to Haier/Electrolux and are Chinese now I think, I don’t believe a lot are made in the US.

MFZerg

So you’re saying short GE… I like where this is going 🤣

ElMochilla

Yeah exactly, also if you believe it to be a dual engine failure and you work in aeronautics you would probably know Boeing doesnt make the engines right? GE does....

altapowpow

Haier owns GE now and they are a Chinese company.

Economy-Wasabi7946

GE (General Electric) I think…? Honestly don’t know others

Distance_Runner

That’s fair. Airlines early made for poor long-term investments. But the parallel here is not betting on the airlines, it’s betting on the company that made the jet engines. In the aviation boom, GE supplied engines to Boeing and others, and from 1980 to 2000 its stock went up over 40x. Airlines came and went, but GE printed money. I see Nvidia as the GE of the initial AI boom. It’s not just using AI; it’s supplying the essential hardware and software to everyone else. This is also true for other microchip and server production. I have money in SMCI, Dell, Intel and AMD as well. If AI truly transforms the world, the companies building the infrastructure like Nvidia stand to benefit most. And I think Nvidia is the front runner for this. Obviously I’ll monitor the landscape of the tech as we continue.

Various_Couple_764

You are assuming a company can always grow if they fund the dividend.. History has shown that is often not the case. Some companies get so big they there are no more customer available to effectively grow the business. Boing (before its current troubles) and airbus are example for this . Ther isn't a lot of demand for large passenger aircraft. Coke Cola is another you can now buy the drink world wide. And now there is a lot of competition So there growth prospects are not as large as it was 30 years ago. General Electric is another example. GE waste of the first copanyies to off electric home applicants as well as power generating equipment. However over time compiition took over most of the market. The company had to shrink its business because there are a lot of companies in the home appliance sector. So today GE mostly makes jet engines, power generating equipment and medical equipment.

binga001

anyone thinking puts on GE since they supplied engines for that aircraft or is ut already old news?

randomhaus64

same with the engines, GE aerospace is very solid

Far_Piglet_9596

Puts on GE tbh The engines just got serviced a month ago

FinalHC

The engines were very recently serviced as recently as April 2025 (left engine), and the right engine was replaced or repaired in March 2025. ATC chatter supposedly has 5 seconds of audio from the captain which is the mayday call with the mention of no power, no thrust, no lift. Even with one engine out it is more than capable of maintaining lift. Disclaimer: currently short position held on GE aerospace.

creemeeseason

I'd posted that BA was likely not primarily at fault in the India crash. The r/aviation thread got pretty spammy, but [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/aircrashinvestigation/comments/1lb1s6g/updated_air_india_flight_171_accident_analysis/) thread on r/aircrashinvestigations is really solid. It breaks down numerous possibilities leading to some of the more likely causes of the crash (likely loss of power to both engines simultaneously just a few seconds after takeoff). The author offers a few possible reasons why this could happen, but is smart enough not to draw a conclusion yet. Great read. A few notes, airliners are designed to takeoff and fly safely if one engine goes out. Dual engine failure, simultaneously, is crazy rare. Aborted take offs due to any slight discrepancy are relatively common, as pilots are trained to not even try to take off if there are any irregularities. Oddly, commercial aircraft are sold without engines included so that airlines can pick which engines they want. This plane had GE engines, but GE stock hasn't taken as much of a hit as BA (not that there's any reason it should at this time).

SupraRyder

Same with GE, GEV, BA, GE, ISSC have been winners for me.

bltn2024

I only checked the top 3 from your list (IBM, GE, XOM), but all 3 have underperformed the S&P500 since Jan 1990. So your bar is actually for them to achieve below the market.

SupraRyder

I did it twice when it dipped to $196, once yesterday and today. I added more GE as well.

ZarrCon

22x is pretty reasonable when you look at where most of those earnings are coming from. Decades ago we didn't have all these high-quality, big tech cash flow machines with global presence and scalability. Go back to 1990 and the top companies by market cap were: Exxon, GE, IBM, AT&T, Philip Morris, Merck, Bristol Myers, and Dupont. Lots of low margin, cyclical, capital intensive business operations in that list. Should an index anchored by Apple, Microsoft, Nvidia, Alphabet, Amazon, Meta, and Broadcom trade at a premium to the index of the past?

Cryatos1

GE made the engines on this one. I expect their stock to drop if they are made to be the cause, aside from Air India's abhorrent maintenance routines, or lack thereof...

djklmnop

Uh oh, GE is tanking. Did they catch the blame?

Dan23DJR

My money is firmly on double engine faliure. Admittedly a very rare faliure, but I have seen multiple videos from phones on the ground when the plane came overhead, when the plane comes over, you can here the RAT (ram air turbine, essentially an emergency deployable propeller on a stick that spins in the wind to generate just enough electric to power vital systems), so you can hear that deployed (makes a distinct propellor sound) and you can also sort of see it deployed. It only deploys when the plane loses either: all electricity, or all hydraulics, or commonly both. And critically, in every video I’ve watched you literally cannot hear ANY engine noise whatsoever. A fully loaded 787 Dreamliner loaded to fly 12 hours on its first takeoff stage should be *ridiculously* loud. Like you’d hear the jet noise before you saw the plane. But the plane just comes overhead, not a peep of engine noise to be heard. Now, don’t ask me how both engines would cut out less than a minute into takeoff, without having any visible exterior damage, flaming or smoking from the back of the engine etc. That’s a complete mystery to me on what is, a super advanced airplane with super advanced engines. If you wanted a little speculative bet, short either General Electric or Rolls Royce, do your research to find which engines Air India Dreamliners are spec’d with. The 787 can come with either the rolls or the GE engine and I’m unsure which engines Air India specs. But the engines on the air india flight were DEFINITELY not running moments before the crash, and I’m about 99.95% certain that the RAT was deployed, which further compounds my confidence that it was a double engine failure. Ofcourse even if it turns out I’m right and it was double engine failure, this might not reflect badly on GE/RR depending on what caused the engines to fail, if it’s poor maintenance then it’s not too much of a bad look for them, if it is a design flaw though, they’re tanking. Even if it wasn’t GE/RR’s fault, I can imagine the news headlines “General Electric Engines failing caused crash, Investigators state”…those sort of titles will undoubtedly have an affect on the companies stock price short term. . Take all this with a mountainous sized grain of salt, I have my theory on double engine failure but that’s not confirmed and I could well be wrong, predicting the cause of an airline crash when you’re an outsider not in on the investigation is borderline impossible. Im essentially talking out of my ass chewing the fat about my rather niche interest of plane crashes. Im by no means an expert. Just sharing my ideas and having a bit of chat about it!

ExplorerSad7555

It was marketed to the airlines. This was 20 years ago. The focuses were durability, repairs and cost savings on fuel for long duration flights. I started on the GE90 which is for the 777.

ThinkingOfTheOldDays

the engines are GE made.

Bcatfan08

We don't know that the engines caused this, and GE engines haven't caused a crash in a very long time. The fact people are saying both engines stalled, tells me it likely isn't an engine problem. Having an engine stall out due to something wrong with the engine is pretty rare. Having both engines on the same plane stall out during takeoff seems like lottery levels of odds. I haven't seen any evidence that Boeing is going away from GE either.

andromeda_7

It is GE

Additional-Ad-1021

Engines are either GE or Rolls….. so where to set puts?!?

JPOWs-Cum-Slut

I think GE make the engines

ShadowedPariah

Because the engines are not 'Boeing' products. Also why they're switching away from GE engines (albeit it will take a long time).

coveredcallnomad100

GE or Boeing, america exporting it's quality products

LA-Aron

Somebody is paying attention. This is a Trump trade. And there is no guarantee Oklo ever gets there. Wouldn't be surprised if they need to partner GE Vernova to get the job done.

Constant_Story8217

Help me understand as a noob: so boing makes the plane fuselage, wings, doors etc basically everything.... except.... 2. GE puts the engine in? But it is made by.... 3. Rolls Royce? So if it's a technical issue ( ie not the pilots 69ing each other during take off), then one of these 3 companies ( could it be all 3?) Will get the blame and be mega red UNH style. And we will learn this... in a few days when they recover the black box? In a few months once the Indian civil aviation does an investigation and experts analyse the crash? Help me understand. Thank you for your attention on this matter.

Terrible-Quarter

plane was in controlled flight, just looked like not enough power puts on GE

S-Club-Party

GE

grumpvet87

I realize I wasn't totally clear, the only stocks i do own are from funds I had from 25 years ago. These investments were purchased prior to discovering Boglehead / index funds. I have 20 shares left (sold most at a profit) of BAC that I purchased in 2008 @ $15 (following warren buffet) that immediately went to $8 (was a loss until 2016).. Now around $45 and pays a decent dividend. I have 1.2 shares left of cisco that is up 25% that also pays a decent dividend 10 shares of CRM (salesforce) that is up 42% is the biggest holding. I had GE that completely floundered for a 15 years or so ... It has finally rebounded after lots of corporate (and stock) restructuring breaking apart into different stocks (medical, energy equipment and aerospace iirc) I just looked, I only have 2.89% of my holdings in stocks .. To be clear - I had several losers too. I lost 100% of my Chesapeake Energy Corp. (CHK) executed a 1-for-200 reverse stock split on April 14, 2020 I lost 100% of a company that was apple's Telecom of choice in Europe There were others. Most of these were listening to CNBC clowns and not having any idea of what I was doing. I just took advice from people who guess at stocks for a living

txholdem

wth happened to GE?

leomeng

GE tanking. But what’s crazy is someone bought tons of puts yesterday on GE.

MasterAssFace

This Boeing shit hits home for me in a major way. I worked as a sales manager for an airfoil manufacturing plant and the leap program was a huge part of our business (over 1/3). Q1 of 25, GE/Avio let us know that they were going to be pushing out engines in Q2/Q3 to the tune of $XX mil per quarter for us. The sales team gets put under extreme pressure, find that money or people will be let go. We scramble for weeks, offering capacity and discounts for all of our customers. I take the wife and kids to Disney for a week. 3 days in my coworker calls freaking out. Engineers, QEs, accountants, and people in admin roles on the floor have been let go. I'm devastated but jokingly say (well at least they can't touch us, there's only 3 sales people. My first day back I'm making my rounds for 2 hours trying to figure out who is taking the responsibilities of the people who were let go, when the HR manager catches me in the hall. "Hey can I talk to you for a minute". I was laid off. 2 kids and a pregnant wife at home. In 14 days I lose my insurance. I get walked into my office to collect my stuff. My coworker walks in as I'm taking pictures of my kids off the wall. She freezes and immediately starts tearing up while I talk her through all of the ongoing projects I have with all of my customers. Give her a big hug, tell her to call if she has questions, and get walked out the front door. Sit in my car for 30 minutes in silence not knowing what to do. I worked so hard to let my wife stay home with the kids, now here I am making them breakfast while she's at work.

Berbollah

inb4 shit media washes this up: \- Engine problem (GE or RR puts is the play) \- Human error \- Bad weather absolutely zero possibility BA shit plane manufacturing has to do anything with killing another 200+ people

creemeeseason

Yeah, the original video was blurry and it's appearing more likely the flaps were in takeoff setting as more video is analyzed. Apparently the mayday calls by the pilot mentioned lack of thrust indicating something wrong with the engines (made by GE). Also probably not a design flaw given their age. Dual engine out during initial climb out is about the worst thing that can happen in aviation.

BlowOnThatPie

Looks like engines not delivering enough It ast at climbout AOA resulting in stall and subsequent crash. It appears this aircraft was equipped with GE Aerospace GEnx engines. This engine has had blade failures before.

NFG89

I mean it looks like a dual engine failure, so probably a Rolls Royce/GE hitman or the airport's fuel supplier's hitman would be on standby.

champignax

GE in that case.

AmbulanceDriver95

Take a look at GE. They were also involved in this crash

AmbulanceDriver95

Don't sleep on GE either. Buy the dip

Hot-Hurry3199

GE 245 calls

AmbulanceDriver95

Don't forget GE puts. They manufactured those engines

AmbulanceDriver95

Why isn't anyone mentioning GE puts????

Hot-Hurry3199

Yeah, just bought fooking GE. The price has tanked in three hours.

Hot-Hurry3199

Damn, just bought GE Aerospace.

trugalhao

I think they could also be GE, they both equipped this aircraft model.

AmbulanceDriver95

If they decide there was a total loss of power due to an issue with the engine, I'd watch your Rolls Royce or GE stocks too

Lilherb2021

GE was like 10x bagger.

fuzzymuscl

GE Vernova is kicking ass

hsfinance

You are free to take the risk. As long as you remember that when the trade or investment goes wrong. Let's talk some stocks. - United Health - intel - alibaba - PayPal 4 different industries btw - healthcare, chips, china, fintech Oh you say you will not buy them. But do know someone did, in each case at twice or more current price. Oh they will recover. Ask chatgpt for some examples of companies in the top 10 who never recovered (not in top 100) Example are GE, Nokia, Lucent, Citigroup.

Background-Low-9144

Im overall long, mid 30s. Had some GE i bought back then it was 5 to 10 bucks a share and cashed out at over 400%. Put much of that to my IRA and the rest on my drum kit. Right now, nothing makes sense to buy in any real sense. Valuations are way too overpriced, in my opinion. I'm holding cash, investing an average amount per week through the year, and buying dips. To me, the S and P should be between 55 and 57.5, but I think folks are buying future valuations even more than usual. 

PurpleZebra99

There have definitely been cases of Chinese spies/bad actors specifically in higher education. I remember a specific example of a university prof who was trying to take GE seeds back to China. Statically insignificant, but it does happen.

SuperSultan

A lot of companies follow this Jack Welsh approach. Boeing did. GE did. They lost their engineering edge but gained a lot of stock appreciation.

redditsgonecorporate

I just wanted GE to go down big and they did but I got sold by a limit order I hadn’t canceled from the previous day and got out for an L at open when I could’ve closed for a fat W at literally any other point of the day. It’s not that deep man.

redditsgonecorporate

My limit sell order set yesterday on my 240p 06/13 for GE got filled at open at .75, avg cost was 1.70 and it peaked at 2.80 🙃 I wiped out all my profits for the last month and a half but at least I didn’t take a cash loss but MAN does it sting. I want to give up trading but I know it’ll pull me back in. I’m sure many here can relate.

venzire

!banbet $GE 260 4D

Tiiinygecko

Because of RKLB, GE and CRWV, my portfolio is waaaaay underperforming the markets today 😫😫😫😫

Beneficial-Tax-1776

Expected to create tens of thousands of British jobs, Rolls-Royce has been selected by Great British Nuclear to build the UK's first small modular reactors. Derby-based Rolls-Royce SMR beat competition from American-owned Holtec and GE Hitachi, while Canada's Westinghouse dropped out of the process earlier. Rolls-Royce SMR will now work with the Government on a programme to build the first small modular reactors (SMRs) by the 2030s, with £2.5bn of funding pledged through 2029 and billions more expected beyond that once construction begins.

Strict-Isopod9748

Just remember buying stock is the best way to counter inflation and secure your buying power. If you can’t afford to lose then don’t be a gambler. But if you can afford to lose it all, than welcome to learn about trading. For long term run this is pretty stable but I will switch $BGM to $GE. Timing is important.