GEV

madsuperpes

My most stubborn opinion was that the markets will collapse "any day now". I held that belief and since my mind was searching all the time, it found a trader who held the same view, they had a subscription with trades one could follow. So I did, it was very profitable the first year, so I rejoiced and doubled the money allocation towards it. But then it turned very red (he shorted all the major outbreaks at the time like NVDA, GEV, etc.), and kept getting worse. And that was about 3-4 years back. And even then I was stubborn enough, I held through most of the shorts and only closed some recently at a catastrophic loss. I am mostly investing in myself and my business these days, and stocks have been left for a much safer investment subscription (essentially index funds but not exactly buy and hold). And my opinion of the markets changed to "although it looks rigged to me, I don't know what's going to happen to the stock market, and therefore I will invest in it much less of my time and energy until it corrects". The only thing that worked well during these years was the statement about rising inflation (classic for doom and gloom mindset), I had a lot of gold and gold miners, but that was the only part of that earlier wordlview which worked.

DrWorstCaseScenario

BTO 1x more GEV 7/10 1125c @8; Holding 4x @21.37

DrWorstCaseScenario

BTO 1x more GEV 7/10 1125c @8; Holding 4x @21.37

chainer3000

DRAM GOOGLE RDDT NBIS ASTS WDC GEV all leaps. The plan now is just to close the port and come back when the sell off is done. I do want to start building a position in SMRs soon. That future is starting to materialize within 1-2 years

DrWorstCaseScenario

BTO 1x more GEV 6/10 1125c @9.5; Holding 3x 25.82

DrWorstCaseScenario

BTO 1x more GEV 6/10 1125c @9.5; Holding 3x 25.82

Samjabr

You'd think power companies like BE or GEV would be up, since they sell nat gas turbines, and an alternative to oil My bags are exhausting

Emotional-Breath-838

CAT benefits from AI (DC build out as well.) The reality of GEV is that they’ll benefit from more than another twenty DCs. They will take part in the forced upgrade of electricity transmission. Very few things outside of biotech are pristine and removed from AI. GEV has a story beyond AI CapEx.

Vexxedtruth101

When i lose more than I initially put in, I just hold it and wait for the next market rise. Was with NBIS since it was 20 a share and put about 20k in then. Sold it all about a month ago or so for 215 a share (to buy a house for my wife and i) been silently kicking myself, see that nbis is still around 215. Just set a stop loss at slightly above where you want to be, so it sells. And you can invest it somewhere else. (I kick myself for only buying 3 shares of GEV when it was 150 a share lol) FML

Own-Recipe5908

I had GEV after the breakup. Sold it almost immediately thinking I got massive gains.

drkgla

GEV was free money at that price idk who sold it.

Emotional-Breath-838

I hate being broadly diversified because it means I always have a bunch of losers in my portfolio. Rather than "timing the market" I'm following the herd and, since I'm in this for the long haul, I'm not crying because I didn't buy the bottom. I'm always happy getting to the herd while there's still plenty to hunt. Ok. Let's get you some answers... Big money is moving into biotech. If you're not comfortable with biotech, don't be ashamed. There are ETFs that will provide you with some ability to sleep at night. Look for XBI. It's up 27%+ over the last 30 days. Next is power/grid/electricity. Massive CapEx changes are coming and there will be a major need to overhaul the way power is handled. GEV is a great company for this but there are many others. Banking is coming back in style. The current environment is all about M&A for banks and top quality smaller banks are getting acquired by larger banks. If you don't know which banks to choose, what I recommend is to go through the holdings of three ETFs: KRE, IAT and KBWB and look at which banks they've chosen. To be clear, AI and semi's could all come back. But in the meantime, get familiar with other areas and see if you enjoy learning about them and whether any of them could make sense for you.

IMayHavePlutophobia

I loaded the boat with GEV when it hit 1035. I need to get my MIL into a home stat.

Puzzled_Cookie778

My contains pick would be utilities and power infrastructure. If AI keeps growing, great. If AI disappoints, people still need electricity. Curious if anyone else is looking at ETN, GEV, NEE, or other power related names

Ok-Flatworm-3397

MRVL HON/HONA just split GEV

EColli93

GE exploded afterward - and GEV

mammal365

NBIS, GEV, C Fund

sewardpark2

MU, GE, and BX. Close fourth is GEV. BX is killing me this year.

Objective_Back_2581

**Fable 5 Max prediction for GEV:** **Bull case:** Q1 was a monster — $163B backlog growing faster than expected, guidance raised to $44.5–45.5B revenue and $6.5–7.5B FCF, with new gas orders priced 10–20 points higher per kilowatt than the old backlog . Zacks Earnings ESP sits at +10.35% , suggesting another beat is likely. **Bear case (this is the real tension):** The average analyst target is \~$1,220 — only \~4% above spot , and the stock trades at roughly 40x NTM EV/EBITDA, more than double the sector median, so any execution slip carries real valuation risk . Smart money is hedging: bearish flow hit this week with \~7,900 puts trading at 1.3x expected volume, concentrated in Aug $1,100 puts and 7/10 weekly $1,000 puts . There’s also sector-wide skepticism creeping into everything data-center-related . **Structures worth pricing out** (check the ATM straddle for the implied move first — I can’t see the live chain): **• Bull put spread** below the implied move (e.g., short \~$1,000/long \~$950, Jul 24 exp): sells inflated IV, wins on beat, flat, or modest dip. Fits the “beats but stock is priced for it” scenario. **• Call debit spread** (\~ATM/+5%) if you want upside without paying full IV-crush tax on naked calls. **• Iron condor** if you think a beat is already priced in and the stock pins — the Q1 pattern (only +2% day-of, with the 14% move spread over a week) actually supports this. **•** Avoid naked long calls/straddles: with IV pumped pre-earnings, you need the move to *exceed* what’s priced just to bre

Cav829

Eisman's a much more traditional investor. Honestly you'd be surprised some of his longs that fit in here. Like he's been heavily in GEV and PWR for the past year. His best call recently was Meritage. His worst one was Charter, but then again that popped back up this week and that got a lot of people. Also Eisman's Youtube show is one of the best ones around, so I highly recommend it.

spddemonvr4

Energy. It's been quietly building for a while now but hasn't gotten the same coverage. Just look at GEV.

jvaritek33c

**Transformers, switchgear, medium-voltage electrical gear.** This is the genuine physical bottleneck right now: \~half of planned US data center builds are being delayed or canceled for lack of this equipment, with high-power transformer lead times stretched toward five years against sub-18-month deployment cycles. The pure-play makers are less glamorous than GEV (think Powell PWR, Hubbell, ABB, Siemens Energy, plus the raw input grain-oriented electrical steel, which almost nobody talks about).

browsk

So many better names. GLW, VRT, GEV, FLEX

PoeGar

I’ve been all in on CEG and GEV from the start. Huge upside to the nuclear sites pursuing PPAs and the companies that make the steam turbines & Generators. And we haven’t even started talking about the recent SMR deals. That will be nuts once they start collocating them on existing sites

PoliticsRealityTV

lol glad I overslept until now. bought call weeklies for next week on MU/SNDK/BE/GEV. free money can't possibly go tits up

Street-Corporation

Is that bullish for OKLO and GEV?

Midpoint60

\*Arrived home and checked my port...\* "Wow - I did great today" -- MU, AMAT, GEV, ETN, ABBV "Oh, wait" -- DELL, ORCL, IBM, PEP "Never mind." \*grabs bong from cupboard\*

drew-gen-x

The software money has moved into industrials which is up 55% YTD. It just makes up to small of a % of $SPY for anyone here to notice. Although I've seen a few buyers of $GEV here.

WiseAct446

OP asked: "Why do solar companies have falling stocks if PV solar is the future?" I responded that it is "impractical and cost ineffective to provide most power in most situations on a day-to-day basis." Deployment speed is irrelevant to my statement. Solar is quick to deploy. It is why, when I'm camping, I use a solar panel rather than construct an onsite nuclear reactor. I'm power generation agnostic. I think solar has a place in the mix, but there is a reason they burn coal in Wyoming and use nuclear on submarines. I spent last weekend in a place where they heat entirely with water from a hot spring. Since this is an investing subreddit and not a physics club or political forum, I was attempting to answer OP's question from a financial position. Based on my thesis, I'm long in GEV, CEG, CAT, FLNC, VRT, and NEE. I'm short FSLR, CSIQ and ARRY.

NecroticNecron473

is $GEV a good buy at the moment ? I want to buy in at market open tomorrow

NecroticNecron473

is $GEV a good buy at the moment ? I want to buy in at market open tomorrow

atomatoflame

GEV has already been printing, looking forward to more...

SteakEater137

MSFT partners with CVX for a 20 year power purchase agreement on a 2.7 gigawatt power plant - CVX down 2.4% GEV is providing 2 of the natural gas turbines with a one time purchase - GEV up 2.3% Shit makes no sense, market just has favorites.

TheNiamosDiscoBall

Will this help GEV SMRs?

buried_lede

“… and market traders are beginning to take a bearish stance on chip prices. While sell side analysts are calling for buys and raising target prices, the market is voting with its feet, this divergence is precisely the most noteworthy tension in this earnings report.” You don’t think that’s a little overstated?  All these companies are still up *this month alone* like, 20-percent etc. , never mind the year. I don’t get the sense that of “bearish” and “voting with their feet” so much as trimming profits, expressing some caution, being aware of interest rates/Fed, hedging some. As you said, no one is questioning the fundamentals. Kospi is up over 100-percent in the year (amazing) ut can go up or down 10 percent in a day, that can happen.  Whether ir nit the guabt expenditures by the hyperscalers are worrying, there is no arguing that all those billions are buying a lot of chips and GEV turbines

scrumptiousbumpking

Bought GEV the other day - will do the same on FRNW. Thanks a million!

robalubadubdub

GEV

cwhite225

GEV, and Ford could ford be a player with ford energy?

cwhite225

FRNW- that’s fidelity clean energy And for stock I like GEV

Dwalorn

Keep in mind that your employment doesn’t really give you any edge in predicting the market. “I think renewables and nuclear are going to pop off because I’m in the industry” isn’t too much of anything because like… yeah, everyone thinks that. They’ve been thinking it for 5-10 years. That being said there are a ton of renewable/clean energy ETFs, and you can just google that phrase to find them. They tend to preform worse than just the S&P500 because again, it’s not exactly a trade secret that energy production is a big market. Nuclear is a slightly different animal. A lot of nuclear production isn’t publicly traded. There are some nuclear mining related stocks like UUUU and some nuclear tech related stocks like Lightbridge, so you can cast a wide net by just investing a bit in many of them, but it’s pretty speculative. Mining stocks have historically been a great way for naïve investors lose money for the past 300 years - it’s just a really easy industry to promise big future results and then run away with the bag. GEV is something to look into, but it’s hard to say if it’s hit a peak. TL;DR you should probably just buy SPY/VT/VONG/VXUS like every other boring but practical person. You can put 20% into ICLN or whatever but you might want to compare the 5 year projections first

HaggardSlacks78

I know several people who work at GEV. Wind is crushing it.

gingerbreadninja1

GEV is crushing it

StiffmeisterSteve

market doesnt care about mag 7s right now sentiment has shifted. ure catching a falling knife. what the market cares about right now is memory, data centres, photonics, and utilities for AI (electricity, or turbines) like GEV. sell at a loss which hurts and try it make it back on some dip buys. go long on DRAM, GEV, NBIS. Leap options. min 1.5 years out. further is better. good luck.

The-WanderingBread

I ended up buying AIPO etf instead of picking a specific company. However, GEV looks enticing despite how much it has run up already. SMR seems like it has way too many hurdles and delays for it to be something feasible in the next few years. I also have similar concerns as to what happens once these gpus become more power efficient....however at the same time the grid is constrained regardless. Electricity cost is not getting cheaper and if gpus become more power efficient...the demand will catch up sooner or later with bigger models.

thethiefstheme

GEV is power solutions for data centers lol, the reason why is up so much..

browsk

GEV 🤑

Puzzled_Cookie778

Nothinh too exotic. ETN, GEV, WMB, KMI, a few utilities and ome inffrastructure names. My thinking is pretty simple, everyone wants to own the AI winners, but somebody still has to provider the power, transmission, pipelines, and equipment that keep the economy running. They're not the kind of stocks that double overnight, but i think they're underrated compaed to how much attention they're getting

aftherith

Bought a little GEV a few days ago in the 860s. Damn good bounce since. Dumb luck.

drcornwallis23

Red everywhere except good ole GE and GEV which I never trade options on

grandfatherdog

Based on my port - energy and picks and shovels are holding strong and on the rise. Memory and semis have some steam left in pockets, but mag7 is sucking it. GEV and VRT crushed it all day while others were influenced by the dips and news.

PassiveF1st

lmao, my whole port is red. All my options are red. Except for VXUS, GEV, and NET.

PassiveF1st

I've been averaging up on GEV for a long time.

dralva

Fuck my paper hands. Sold GEV at 970 last week.

TopicProof8670

Buy GEV and BE

Vlisa

"Man GEV has been really disappointing lately, think I'm gonna sell it. Would be really upsetting if it pumped right after I sold!" *Looks back over shoulder to see if any MMs are listening*

Drapidrode

I know this, I bought GEV at 850 recently. : ) they aren't gonna suddenly *quit building the electrical grid*

athsrva

have GEV AVGO VRT all at losses is it a good day to sell i dont have trust in this deal

FunctionalGray

I pay very close attention to this sector, and I have skipped over PWR and opted to make GEV, ETN, HUBB, FPS, MPWR my core holdings. I have a smaller basket that I swing on smaller timescales if you’re interested. GEV and MPWR make up about 60%, and only get added to by swinging the smaller ones. Those two are extremely healthy financially.

dvdmovie1

"We're already seeing spikes in energy requirements due to AI," 1) This stuff has already run massively in the last 2-3 years; this isn't a new theme. 2) There was concern over the view that a large data center contract was cancelled recently and because of this combined with other issues lately, these stocks lost considerably - BE was down about 21% in a week. That sort of reaction to me shows a theme that was already overcrowded with tourists. I am long the theme (although somewhat less than I was) and still think it's interesting but for stuff like BE up 163% YTD/1,085% 1YR I'm far from the only one to think that. The IPPs (TLN/CEG/NRG/VST) at this point are of interest down as much as they've been this year. Stuff like GEV also got overcrowded and people were concerned by the MS note that talked about a decline in orders by 2027 (by the end of 2026, data centers being built 2027-2030 will have placed their orders and because of labor/permitting and other issues some of that will not get built in time)/the market looking oversupplied into the 2030s. I've thought data center power was a great theme on here since early 2024. I still think it's interesting but to me but it's definitely not early innings and it's the kind of thing where talk of a major cancelled data center project will really impact these names. I've taken some profits, keeping the rest at this point and looking to add to other themes instead.

TopicProof8670

BUY GEV and BE option. There are four reasons 1. This is AI Data Center Stock 2. Because of many event (World Cup and summer etc), importance of elec will increase 3. This was declined so far, not because of fundamental, but because of DRAM Them 4. And technical indicators indicate that this is buying chance.

bozoputer

no, they classify stocks into sectors, literally. It is not made up, and this is where they fall: CEG = Utility - IPP subsector NEE = Utility (and biggest component of XLU, not XLE) BEP = Utility - renewables GEV = Industrial - Special Industrial This is how they are classified by themselves. As i said, Energy is all oil and gas.

caughtinthought

No, CEG, NEE, BEP, GEV are all energy stocks as well. You're referring to traditional blue chip energy companies, but that is a narrow way of looking at the industry

redditfirefly

Energy sleeve of compounders + frontier GEV, PWR, CEG + NUKZ, OKLO, LEU, CCJ

DrWorstCaseScenario

STC 3x GEV 6/12 900c @12.96; (Typo yesterday when I listed 2x) 7.46 -> 12.96; 74% profit STC 2x GEV 6/18 900c @29.96; 19.9 -> 29.96; 51% profit

DrWorstCaseScenario

STC 3x GEV 6/12 900c @12.96; (Typo yesterday when I listed 2x) 7.46 -> 12.96; 74% profit STC 2x GEV 6/18 900c @29.96; 19.9 -> 29.96; 51% profit Overall BTFD GEV play yesterday; 3x7.46 + 2x19.9 -> 3x12.96 + 2x29.96; 62.18 -> 98.8; 59% profit

Numerous_Jelly1635

I debated buying LUNR weeklies yesterday, wanked, and bought XOM and GEV shares instead. 

phoenixtetra1

Whats your thesis on GEV, PWR, VRT AND VICR

DrWorstCaseScenario

BTO 2x GEV 6/12 900c @7.46 BTO 2x GEV 6/18 900c @19.9

DrWorstCaseScenario

BTO 2x GEV 6/12 900c @7.46 BTO 2x GEV 6/18 900c @19.9

Quiet_Foundation6218

Bloom Energy (BE) ↓ – Stock down -4% pre-market after datacenter developer Crusoe announced their datacenter project in Wyoming (Project Jade) is being paused, with no details provided. BE is providing 900MW of fuel cells for the project, with other Aeroderivative power products also being provided. Public opposition against datacenters in WY has been building, with City Council in Cheyenne delaying projects to establish their own development protocols. Microsoft (MSFT) has been active in the region buying land for datacenter development as well. Our analyst Chris Dendrinos is NEUTRAL on the news, noting BE’s fuel cells are a solution to community pushback as they use no water, have limited noise, and have a cleaner emissions profile. \*RBC Trading: BE stock could see Bears circle more heavily with this the 2nd datacenter project in a few weeks that is being delayed (Project Jupiter last week), and BE stock up +90% since April on a big customer order win. The news of delays could also be an incremental negative today for other Datacenter power alternative producers GEV/CAT/FTAI. \*Bulls defended BE’s Project Jupiter delays as incremental negatives (developer is implementing workarounds), BE’s product part of the solution to avoid datacenters tapping into power grids, more customer wins coming as Datacenter capex is set to increase in 2027+, and BE stock is in many Semi’s baskets (i.e. don’t fight the Datacenter/hardware trend). \*Bears cite near-term delays that will slow/decelerate growth, the stock already pricing-in BE’s announced expansion to 5GW, the stock sensitive to trimming/rotation out of the overcrowded AI/Datacenter trade, and a high valuation that makes it harder for Bulls to defend (98x 2026 EBITDA).

Key_Lifeguard_8659

I'm no expert, but trump et al bought tech between February and Apr if this year... just as similar corrections were taking place... many exceeded 20% downturns. It might be he will be dumping his tech and buying what's currently undergoing significant pullbacks, e.g., equities in the defense sector (RTX, NOC, and LMT... and many big name utilities like NEE, CEG, BWXT, and GEV are also down quite a bit. He may pump and dump those sectors next. They would be easy to pump, stressing how petroleum has become a political weapon and that renewable energies are the way forward, etc. He'll pump defense by pressuring allies to go shopping at Defense R' Us or suffer putin's and Xis wrath. He also pressuring US auto manufacturers to begin retooling their assembly lines to take the burden off the prime defense names, who are already backlogged for years to come. Defense will be huge under trump.

Ben_f157

Calls on GEV

ManBearPig_1983

Ooh…I like GEV and VRT here.

Jeff__Skilling

I’ve worked in the mobile power / dispatchable / behind-the-meter power space in 2023 or so — all great points besides the gas turbine industry lagging AI (opposite is true), just take a look at GEV, CAT, and SIE next twelve months EV / EBITDA multiples over time. They skyrocket right around the time (1) the AI hype went mainstream and (2) the market realizing that power gen is upstream to computing power, and the turbine manufacturers shares were priced accordingly.

dvdmovie1

> GEV has definitely cooled off. So has Siemens Energy so it's not just GEV in terms of turbines - both stocks down very similarly (around 13-14%) in the last mo.

polishedchoice

Yeah seems like GEV is not the only power solution. And if it is, more of a temporary one. I will say I have friends who work in gas turbines (not GEV) and they say they have been insanely busy. There’s one guy they had come out of retirement to work for them with an “offer he couldn’t decline”. A point against the backlog, is that to place an order and get on the queue, companies have to pay a 25ish% deposit. Meaning if they back out, they lose a substantial amount of money. Anyways, like you said it seems like there’s a lot of energy plays now and GEV has definitely cooled off.

dvdmovie1

I trimmed it weeks ago, was more than a double for me. The turbine stocks haven't been acting well in recent weeks, not just GEV. There are so many different names chasing the power issue: Brookfield talked the other day about discussions going on with BE to expand that relationship "not by percentages but multiples." So, I'm still long GEV and other power plays, but a bit less than I was. There is a gap on the GEV chart from April slightly lower than where it is and it looks like it will fill that. Also, yes there is a backlog out of 2030, but 1) a lot can happen between now and 2030 and 2) this has traditionally been a very, very cyclical business - what does it look like on the other side of this (which the market will try to anticipate in advance) FPS is a power solutions name that has certainly taken off in recent weeks.

polishedchoice

Yeah I mean GEV is a stable stock. I didn’t mind being down 14%. The only thing that I cared about was being down 14% while another stock I bought at the same time was up 25%. GEV is a stable stock meaning no large swings. I was comfortable holding it longer if I wasn’t watching the rest of the market take off like a rocket in the month I held it

sunburn74

Its a good company but not a great stock. Growth is slow and they have 3% operating margins. PE right now is around 37 and GEV is the rare business who's 1 year forward PE is higher than its trailing PE. To me it seems like very so so business overall with the only advantage being they don't have a lot of competition. However there are quite a few companies I own (or want to own) that have much better margins and also don't have a lot of competition.

polishedchoice

I ended up selling and putting it all in Micron. lol. I’m up 25%+ on that position and was down 14% down on my GEV position. I opened both at the same time.

Wheelio

Bag check: $TOST, $NVO, $GEV. TOST I have somewhat faith in but market hates it and competition is fierce. NVO, I think is a straight up L, but have held that for long enough and is a tiny enough position I don't see a point in liquidating yet. GEV, just bought recently at a top, seems like a good play for energy input, but will see how it shakes out.

Old-Pomegranate3634

it is priced in for GEV, but not for BWEN. BWEN is just getting started, next earnings call I exepect the market to realize fully what has happened.

Salt-Ganache-5710

I am in on GEV but feel like I've got in quite late (last few weeks)? I feel like the physical grid bottleneck has room to run but feels like a lot of this is priced in Do you think now is early enough on BWEN?

Old-Pomegranate3634

Supplier to GEV. Said on their last earnings call we are entering a super cycle and our Q1 numbers will be our low for the foreseeable future. Key customers are sold out for years which means their order book will fill up. Sold off unprofitable wind business and going all on on gas power generation. This is seriosuly a hidden GM. I am expecting this will be my 5-10x trade. I am already 2x.

RedElmo65

GEV

ManBearPig_1983

Going to let it pump and dump and buy all these quality stocks on sale (e.g., NVDA, GEV, AVGO, VRT).

BitOCindyNTexasP

Why GEV vs BE ?

InternationalIdea365

Just buy GEV

Any_Life_6178

GEV is better

No_Cow_8702

Investing in $GEV at $133, pretty much when it became available on the market. Knew the electrical grid would need some refurbishing, but story changed to it being a power AI company.

BallsOfStonk

Micron for sure. Domestic DRAM manufacturer. This is my clear #1. Fabs are expensive, critical for national security, and create jobs. Probably the top labs next, plus Palantir. OpenAI/Palantir/xAI/Anthropic. xAI will def get some money, perfectly timed right after the SpaceX IPO. Then maybe some grid/power stuff like VRT or GEV. Could also swing at AVGO, MRVL, and LITE.

TraditionSufficient8

DRAM, SNDK, MRVL, NBIS, LITE, SIVEF, GEV, BE. A portfolio with these stocks will be elite. They are in my portfolio and it’s minted a 311.36% return over the past 3 years.

TraditionSufficient8

Nuclear Energy is still 3-5 years away. You are incredibly early and are better off moving that money into something else like memory or AI Infrastructure until the first nuclear reactors come online in a few years. Otherwise, it’s just dead money for several years. Sure, it may go in some runs over the next few years but there’s no real revenues being generated in the space for several years in Nuclear Energy unless you buy GEV, which is a hybrid energy generation and Nuclear Play with stellar revenues now. I’m a big fan of GEV and it’s an A+ stock that makes an exceptional long term hold for anyone’s portfolio imo.

Key_Lifeguard_8659

RTX, BWXT and GEV...super cheap

DoinIt4DaShorteez

BWXT and GEV are not utilities and they're not defensives. You didn't say anything about the energy space in your OP. The pros of vanilla electrical utilities is: --they are basically guaranteed ROI by regulators -- the utilities sector over the long term has one of the most rock solid upward channels you will ever see The cons are: -- They are interest-rate sensitive. They are bond proxies, so when interest rates are high, their yields become somewhat less attractive compared to bonds. That's the time to buy them. It's pretty easy to time buys based on their charts. Bottom of the channel, buy. -- I bought SO and DUK specifically because of where they operate and their cozy relationships with regulators. That is somewhat coming under increased political risk for utilities in general. Their guaranteed ROIs may start to some under more pressure. Consumer staples don't have quite as dependable a channel but they are similarly affected by interest rates. The time to buy is when interest rates have been high for a while and everybody's thrown in the towel on staples. HRL personally I wouldn't touch, look at a long term chart, people just don't want to buy their shit anymore. Same with KHC. I dumped my PEP the other day because I was sick of it doing nothing forever. If you are looking at EL, I would look at ULTA. ULTA is more volatile. It tends to run before earnings and then sell off. If you watch it for a few quarters, you may get a feel for when to buy it. I would say it's more of a trader than a buy-and-hold. ULTA doesn't pay a div. I just put ULTA and EL on a 5 year chart and EL is horrible. Minus 73%. ULTA is only plus 34%. I think that's COVID after-effects of more people working at home. But I'd just avoid that space entirely.

shortyrocker

Google, TSM, GEV

IIINevermoreIII

My guess is consolidation before upwards momentum? Not enough money flowed into financials, consumer stables or energy for it to be a full rotation… but I do have calls in GEV just incase it’s a full rotation. Semis/chips also failed to have a breakdown today, there was a lot of buying pressure end of day 

deeptones

I looked at these and DUK looks pretty appealing, though I think BWXT and GEV might be better plays than these more defensive energy stocks. I'm kinda new to the "defensive energy and consumer staples" space, so tell me if im totally off base. There is also the argument that utilities are a bit inflated right now as a result of AI growth and demand. Which is one reason HRL/EL looked appealing to me in the first place.

geobomb

Get in now before GEV hits 1,000 again

patmccock86

GEV and all the infra plays tanking is a warning sign for IPO liquidity