KKR

Coloradodreaming1

Software has sucked big time. Financials too, especially the private equity companies like KKR, APO, ARES, BLK, BX. Man they look like buys at 40% or the like down YTD and they pay dividends if I could just go against my instinct that these company stocks are falling knives.

Jericho3434

Look at private credit stocks like Blue Owl, Apollo, KKR. They have been limiting redemptions. Also, they are heavily invested in saas.

alfred250

Long story short go 3-6 months out, go best in breed, BX, KKR, Apollo. I dont even think a bailout is necessary, this is very overblown. DM me and i will send you my DD

BenisSpaghetti

Everyday KKR is red I'm happy. 😁

Warm_Pianist4879

its a private equity thing probably, gotta look into what publicly traded private equities (like KKR/CG) might have a stake

BenisSpaghetti

Every day that KKR is down is a good day for me. 😇

EvolvingDior

That's because firms like KKR are protected from the bad investments their funds make. They just get less money from their investors when the fund doesn't meet it's performance goals.

ThreeSupreme

Hmm... Guess U weren't around in 2008, huh? # No safety net: Why private credit faces it first real moment of truth **Provided by Dow Jones** \- Private credit is easy to enter but hard to exit. Retail investors suddenly seeking their money back could trigger a financial crisis. A spiral of illiquidity, forced selling, markdowns, and intense risk deleveraging could emerge. Sound familiar? It happened with securitization markets during the **2007-08 financial crisis**. The recent selloff of Blue Owl Capital's (OWL) stock after a redemption at one of its retail private-credit funds has become the poster child for increasing anxiety about the health of the private-credit market. Private credit has grown rapidly in recent years - approaching $2 trillion - and it has never been tested through a full recession or highly volatile financial-market stress. Private credit does not have the financial backstop of the U.S. Treasury or the Federal Reserve, unlike most banks. JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon recently warned after a pair of private credit-backed companies declared bankruptcy that problems in private credit are rarely isolated. **Wall Street braces for a private credit meltdown** The fault line exposed now is that private credit is being offered to retail investors and wealthy individuals whose investment objectives are very different from sophisticated institutional investors. These new investors will quickly line up to get their money back, effectively forcing sales of illiquid assets, as in the case of Blue Owl. Shares of Blue Owl hit a 52-week low earlier this month, as did shares of Blackstone (BX). Other major firms including Carlyle Group (CG), KKR (KKR), Apollo Global Management (APO) and Ares Management (ARES) were also caught in the selloff. Private credit-related defaults, particularly among private equity-backed companies, have accelerated significantly in 2025 and early 2026. According to a March 6, 2026, report from Fitch Ratings, the U.S. Private Credit Default Rate hit a **record 9.2%** in 2025, following a previous record of 8.1% in 2024, with 38 defaults recorded among 28 different borrowers.  

WickedSensitiveCrew

APO, KKR and BX look interesting. Im leaning toward buying some APO. As they have been shifting their a lot of their AUM to perpetual capital.

dansdansy

Private equity- KKR, OWL, APO etc. Though maybe not these three, I really think eventually some of them may go under.

_hiddenscout

If you want to be contrarian and buy into pain, APO and KKR are selling off.

Rare-ish_Birb

All the private equity together have $ 2+ trillion in illiquid, underwater SAAS portfolio companies rn, with no hope of IPO to offload. The clearing event would be writing down those companies to zero. Bye bye Softbank, KKR, Blackstone, Appollo, Carlyle, GS.

Difficult-Level7038

Put/call ratio for KKR makes me wanna puke

Silverfin113

Just missed it maybe KKR worth buying still.

ideletedmyaccount04

some of you are beating the entire private credit market. Carlyle -25% Apollo -39% Ares -42% Blackstone -43% KKR -44% Blue Owl -61%

persua

I like the alts managers at these prices (APO, KKR)

leomeng

Surprisingly I’ve been able to bail on CRM NOW BX KKR with very little damage in overnight. I bought all near the Friday close price. Would rather get a scrape wound now than risk crazy meltdown.

LarryStink

I think Apollo, KKR, and Blue Owl said the same thing just recently

Commercial_Deer_7114

As a Europoor myself, I have to say we deserve all the bad policy we are getting as the average Europoor is completely regarded. It is illegal for EU citizens to buy US and Canadian ETF's and REITS, so for example it is a crime to invest in Boston Pizza or KKR BRD's. When you point out how absurd that is, the entire European left is ready to erase your family lineage going back to the first single-cell organisms. People that otherwise are too lazy to even collect all of their wellfare checks.

IBangTokyoWife

I've always had trouble valuing private equity. I like BX KKR APO but their revenue and earnings are so dependent on them finding diamonds in the rough. Sometimes they get several all at once and sometimes they don't get any for a while. How do you determine when they're cheap or expensive? Recurring revenue is pretty low

Bagholder71

Companies possibly interested in buying PYPL.. Confirmed interest: Stripe Analyst / media speculation: JPMorgan Chase, American Express, Revolut, private equity firms (Apollo, KKR), Walmart 

jkswift1776

ParaSky has the same law firm as KKR did when buying RJR Nabisco.

Much_Candle_942

Just a narrative..  KKR, OWL's own management is loading up on their stocks like crazy 

SuperSimpleSam

KKR stacked it with poor earnings for a hefty drop.

KingRegardothe2nd

>Wall Street opened the week under heavy pressure as risk sentiment deteriorated on AI-related credit concerns and fresh trade uncertainty amid the feud between President Donald Trump and the Supreme Court. >The blue-chip index was weighed down by sharp losses in financial names. A wave of selling hit asset managers after concerns emerged around a private credit fund managed by Blue Owl Capital Inc. (NYSE:OWL). The firm announced it is liquidating $1.4 billion in assets to raise money to pay out individual investors Apollo Global Management Inc. (NYSE:APO) sank 6.6% on the day, marking its worst session since Liberation Day. Blackstone Inc. (NYSE:BX) slid 6.7% and has now dropped 16% over the past three sessions, its steepest three-day decline since March 2020, touching the lowest level since late 2023. Ares Management Corp. (NYSE:ARES) fell 6.3% KKR & Co. Inc. (NYSE:KKR) tumbled 8.3%, extending its monthly loss to 20%, the worst stretch since 2015. The weakness spilled into established financial heavyweights. American Express (NYSE:AXP) dropped 7.4%, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE:GS) lost 3.5% and JPMorgan Chase & Co. (NYSE:JPM) retreated 4.5%. For the broader Financials Select Sector SPDR Fund (NYSE:XLF) it’s the worst day since early April 2025.

dvdmovie1

Didn't OWL go public via SPAC? Hasn't been the greatest investment before this and there's considerable risk - names like this are always going to be 10 slow steps forward 7-8 quick steps backwards. I'd rather KKR near April 2025 lows if I wanted private equity names.

506Investor

I would add that knowing about new RIA funds is one of the biggest advantage to a private group for accredited and QP's only. Many of the new interval PE Secondary funds have a first month pops of 10% and a 20% first year return before reverting to the mean. Getting in day one is the key. The beauty of the interval fund is its semi liquid and you can get out after the 20% year one return. Then rinse and repeat with the KKR's of the world. The 506 Group had 9 in 2025 that averaged close to a 2% a month return. Invest direct with the sponsor and not fool around with feeder funds if the RIA can negotiate lower minimums

GSPointerDad

Ahhh…sorry! But their new CEO 🤩…and they retain a chunk of Wella proceeds when KKR takes it public.

BenisSpaghetti

How long until we wake up to some large institution failing to pay their bills? Our parent company (KKR) levers themselves to the hilt. Even 1-2% misses send the managers running. 🥴

WickedSensitiveCrew

APO was [shorting software companies](https://www.ft.com/content/137bfe82-3e52-418b-9d4f-930978b2532e) back in Dec 2025. Funny that they got punished by the PE firms holding these software companies, even though this news has been public for a couple months lol. Literally the bear case everyone’s talking about APO called it back in Dec 2025. I guess we will get more info from KKR on their earnings.

WickedSensitiveCrew

I think the exposure by KKR is overblown. APO was [shorting software companies](https://www.ft.com/content/137bfe82-3e52-418b-9d4f-930978b2532e) back in Dec 2025. Interesting they got punished by the PE firms hold software stocks when that public news been out for a couple months now lol.

_hiddenscout

Really interesting tidbit I learned the other day about private equity. A lot of them are stuck with a bunch of businesses they basically can no longer sale lol. Since they acquired a lot when rates where low. Also interesting how I think KKR has a lot of SaaS business too, which probably won't IPO now. Really interesting dynamics.

johtuleso

My next buy limit: Apollo 115, KKR 95, Msft 403… looks like we are not going there

No_Zookeepergame_27

Anyone bought KKR ahead of earnings tomorrow?

RolledForCredit

I’m buying some alts this morning (KKR, BX, ARES). I think this notion that “anthropic kills software therefore kills alt portfolios” is wayyy overdone. Everything I see shows that the SaaS cos are actually still doing just fine, they’ve just been de-rated. Falling valuations for software cos doesn’t necessarily mean falling revenues (at portcos), it just means that the market isn’t willing to pay as much for their earnings. One could argue that perhaps future growth rates or margins are overstated to the extent that vibe coded solutions make dents there , but that’s about it. So I don’t see massive defaults arising from this. I think this is especially true for things like cybersecurity; as if any real business would go with a vibe-coded solution over PANW or CRWD; lol. I'm regarded, so DYOR, but these are my thoughts.

Good-Traffic-875

Why did KKR drop 10% in the news of the takeover STT GDC? 

johtuleso

Kind of… bought some more of KKR and Apollo today. We will see how far down will we meet

AluminiumCaffeine

why is KKR down -10% did they become a saas company when I wasnt looking?

thalassamikra

Private credit KKR OWL in shambles and CRWV barely down for the day? What else are these private credit funds doing besides datacenter anyway?

dvdmovie1

No. Looking in the technically oversold, maybe some interesting trades but not really seeing opportunities for things to add as long-term holdings. Some mildly interesting stuff that's technically oversold: ABT, SPGI, KKR, CEG (although the IPP theme hasn't been working well for a bit), TTWO, FICO, IOT, MORN, CHDN. Maybe a couple of others.

Outrageous_Tip_2133

Or a lot of private equity stocks like APO, KKR, etc. Or Investment banking stocks like GS, MS, etc. Or just boring bank stocks like JPM,, WFC. While Mag 7 and tech has been hyped up, a lot of financial stocks have done really well since Covid and outperformed most tech names except NVDA.

EquityIcarus

I work in wealth management and work with a lot of these firms(Blue Owl, Eaton Vance, KKR, etc) frequently. All I will say is that there is a reason private investments firms are pushing to allow you to invest your 401k with them

Nefarious_AI_Agent

Names of interest in the contact book regarding market. * Rupert Murdoch – News Corp * Michael Bloomberg – Bloomberg L.P. * Bob Pittman – iHeartMedia (formerly AOL Time Warner) * Steve Forbes – Forbes Media * Conrad Black – Hollinger International * Mortimer Zuckerman – Boston Properties / U.S. News & World Report * Casey Wasserman – Wasserman Media Group * Les Wexner – L Brands (Victoria's Secret) * Johan Eliasch – HEAD * Sir Anthony Bamford – JCB * David Koch – Koch Industries * Henry Kravis – KKR * Ron Burkle – The Yucaipa Companies * Gustavo Cisneros – Cisneros Group * Sam Waksal – ImClone Systems * Donald Trump – The Trump Organization * Andre Balazs – André Balazs Properties * Alfred Taubman – Taubman Centers * Bernie Ecclestone – Formula One Group * Alejandro Agag – Formula E Holdings * Richard Branson – Virgin Group * Flavio Briatore – Benetton / Renault F1 * Jeffrey Steiner – Fairchild Corporation

eska089

I also thought about how I can financially profit from this development and I realized the smartest play is to buy the Casino, not the chips. If retail capital is flooding in to be the exit liquidity, the ones making the guaranteed money are the General Partners managing the funds. So instead of buying their semi-liquid products, I'm considering buying the stock of the firms themselves, like Blackstone (BX), KKR, or Apollo. At first I worried that if the AI/tech bubble bursts, these stocks would crash too. But then I looked at the data on "Fee-Related Earnings." Unlike a VC fund that needs a profitable exit to get paid, these firms charge management fees on committed capital. So even if the underlying assets drop 40% and they have to "gate" the retail fund to stop withdrawals, they still collect that 1-2% fee on the locked-in money for years. The casino gets paid even when the players are losing. Plus, their own exposure is totally different from what they sell. While they sell retail investors debt or equity in risky startups, the firms themselves are buying "picks and shovels", like physical data centers and energy infrastructure. That stuff retains value (at least parts of it) even if the AI software market implodes. It’s not risk-free, but it’s the difference between owning the car in the crash versus owning the insurance company. As long as this "democratization" trend continues, you basically become the owner of the house rather than the gambler at the table. But in the end, I still think I’ll sit this one out. It’s still a derivative bet on a bubble, and I’m not chasing profits within a bubble. My strategy is simple: sell into this liquidity, increase my cash position and wait for better valuations or new opportunities. Sometimes the best trade is doing nothing and wait. 😉

WickedSensitiveCrew

I dont really post in this thread everyday. I pop in once every couple weeks. I dont care about bulls/bears here to make money and noticed a few PE firms APO/KKR up a bit wondered what happened.

WickedSensitiveCrew

What is going on with PE firms like APO, KKR, OWL, and BX?

Historical_Air_8997

From a quick browse of your post history it looks like you have about $1.5m. While you qualify to be an accredited investor you’re barely on the cusp and wont be the first call companies make for investors. I work in alternatives and the main benefit here is moderate returns that are generally not correlated to the stock market. If you do want to dip your toes into alternatives you should look into a closed-end fund at a credible place like JPM/KKR/Ares/Apollo etc. They tend to have high fees/expenses that eat into returns but the big ones usually beat inflation after fees. Some places may not want your money, I’ve worked at places that don’t talk to anyone under $20m in liquid assets with $500k min commitments. There are funds with pretty low buy ins at like $10k, but with higher fees. I would avoid trying to get into private equity on your own and pre-ipo can be very risky. You don’t sound like you’re ready for that yet, should keep learning for a year or two and read up on companies and track some without investing real money. You’re more likely to win the lottery than turning $25k into $2m in alternatives. It’s not impossible, but the people who do are either extremely lucky or very good at what they do and have tons of investments that went $25k to $0.

FRNAP13

I’m an accredited investor. I invest a portion of my portfolio in private equity such as KKR and Blackstone. I’m not getting better returns than the S&P500, but better stability and less volatility as it’s disconnected or not correlated, totally, with the market.

FRNAP13

Top wealth management firm can’t run with your money. It’s under your name. Anything needs your approval. If something ever happened, the parent company would owe you a lot of money as it’s against the law. For the investments, I could choose to “VOO and Chill” like most are doing, which means, invest in the S&P500 and forget it. I choose a wealth management to achieve different goals (and I might be wrong, so do not take it as an advice but more as sharing my experience). The portfolio direct indexing S&P500, is like VOO and chill, so following the market performance and delivering tax loss harvesting. It’s my main portfolio. The portfolio direct indexing Russell 1000, is a growth portfolio, delivering better performance than S&P500, and tax loss harvesting. Growth being more volatile, I get more tax losses. Russell is up 4% more than S&P500 this year. Private Equities is providing good returns, and provides stability in case of crash as disconnected from the market. I use KKR, Stepstone, Blackstone… My other growth portfolio is having a bit of bitcoin, SPMO, QQQ, VOO and a large portion of international. The last portfolio is more a balanced one with 25 different value stocks.

SlfImpr

Bruh... Wall Street will do what it always does to squezee them profits RIP jobs in the US >[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-11-11/trump-s-h-1b-visa-curbs-banks-to-add-more-finance-specialist-jobs-in-india](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-11-11/trump-s-h-1b-visa-curbs-banks-to-add-more-finance-specialist-jobs-in-india) >**Wall Street to Speed Up India Hiring on Trump’s H-1B Visa Curbs** >Investment banks are hiring finance specialists in hubs like Bengaluru and Hyderabad. >Updated on November 12, 2025 at 1:12 AM EST >JPMorgan Chase & Co. is hiring credit support specialists in Bengaluru to check for covenant breaches. Across town, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. is seeking associates to review loans tied to everything from commercial property to yachts. In Mumbai, buyout giant KKR & Co. is adding staff to monitor its portfolio companies, while hedge fund Millennium Management LLC is seeking risk analysts for its derivatives trading team. >The flurry of job postings underscores Wall Street’s growing reliance on Indian hubs, where JPMorgan employs nearly a fifth of its global workforce. This long-running recruitment push is now poised to accelerate as US President Donald Trump moves to tighten immigration by driving up visa costs, adding even more of these sophisticated finance roles in India. >Senior executives from at least two US banks in India are in talks with their head offices to consider ways to ramp up their so-called global capability centers in response to the H-1B visa crackdown, according to people familiar with the matter. Some lenders that had extended offer letters for positions in the US are looking to either revoke them or create alternative roles at their GCCs, the people said.

WickedSensitiveCrew

Certain healthcare stocks and REITs have crashed and not fully recovered. Im adding to PE firms like APO and KKR. APO sports arm just became the major shareholder in a La Liga team. Will be interesting if they expand and buy a NBA, MLB, or NFL team in the future.

kalterik

\- No, high dividend yield could mean a lot of things. In this case because payout ratio isn't concerning or outside of industry standard it just means share price is down. \- Neither, KKR & PIMCO bought almost all of their accounts receivable because they're desperately looking for new sources of private credit deals. Fantastic deal for HD unless motorcycle sales never recover, in that case they just sold off a \~10% equity stake in their highest margin business unit. \- Hog customers are a wide mix, recently because of past CEO's focus on high margin touring bikes this has been a larger chunk recently than historically. These customers tend to be high middle/upper (think small business owners not Jeff Bezos) class. Other bikes with lower prices tend to pander more toward lower/middle classes. My general thesis revolves around the fat OBBA tax refunds the former group will be getting come Q1/Q2 of 26. I'm happy being early here because of high total yield \~8% for remainder of year (\~7% w/ accelerated buyback + \~1% dividend Yield for Q4).

_hiddenscout

$KKR KKR reports Q3 adjusted EPS $1.41, consensus $1.30   -- Q3 revenue $5.25B, consensus $2.26B. Reports Q3 AUM $723B, up 16% year-over-year.

_hiddenscout

That sucks. I'm red overall, but at least have a few winners, but all earnings report related: $LDOS is doing well from their report this morning. $KKR is probably up because of $APO report. $STRL is up from their report yesterday. $SMID is probably up from $GLDD's report. $SHGC is up from their report. Also have some big losers too: $UBER, $RKLB, $SHLS, $PRIM are all down over 5%.

Puzzleheaded-One-607

Great numbers. No clue why it trades at such a discount to KKR and BX

bellahamface

Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan is in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia for the Future Investment Initiative. On the opening panel 10/28 (just before pre-market 10/28). There’s way too many bullish things for Intel to list. https://fii-institute.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/FII9-Program_26-September-2025_Updated-2.pdf BOARD OF IS THE WORLD HEADING CHANGEMAKERS: GEOECONOMICS FROM FREE TO STRATEGIC TRADE? Nations are now wielding trade routes, supply chains, and financial flows as the primary instruments of geopolitical influence, reshaping the global order more profoundly than traditional diplomacy. While global GDP growth is forecasted at 2.8% for 2025, this masks a deep fragmentation as commerce between rival blocs shrinks and internal regional trade intensifies. As capital, technology, and critical minerals become the new front lines of competition, will shared economic interest become a bridge for collaboration, or simply draw the lines for a permanently fractured world? Speakers: • Bill Ackman, Founder & CEO, Pershing Square Capital Management • Cristiano R. Amon, President & CEO, Qualcomm Incorporated • Jamie Dimon, Chairman & CEO, JPMorgan Chase • Georges Elhedery, CEO, HSBC • Laurence Fink, Chairman & CEO, BlackRock • Bruce Flatt, CEO, Brookfield Asset Management • Adena Friedman, Chair & CEO, Nasdaq, Inc. • Scott Nuttall, Co-CEO, KKR • Stephen A. Schwarzman, Co-Founder, Chairman & CEO, The Blackstone Group • David Solomon, Chairman & CEO, Goldman Sachs • *Lip-Bu Tan, CEO, Intel*

ANGELeffEr

Sorry for this long tirade guys, but all these BYND “squeeze”play guy bragging bout stupidity has struck a nerve. What’s really interesting is why so many of these Bynd regards are so intent on shining a light on their own stupidity, I’m not saying hide it but I’ve never seen so many people all posting the same level of commitment to show Off their ignorance of the market…one dude Literally posted his entry at $7.69. I bought plenty of shares and contracts of that shit ass company over the past two weeks, and no I didn’t play it perfect, but I’m not a bagger worried bout where my wife is rt now either. I just don’t see the point in advertising my mistakes unless they are due to some completely unusual circumstance and I’m seeking insight, especially when every other regard is doin the same. Mistakes are natures teaching guides, most learn from and are better for it, I know I am. Do some DD, learn the market allows you to make money no matter which direction it’s going, stop thinking you are banding together with your brother Bulls to save America from the shorts and Wall St., especially when those brother Bulls are just using you to help drive price and always bail out as soon as it gets just high enough for their minimal profits needed, learn that every transaction has two parties on opposite sides and both are trying to achieve the same goal, and for Christs Sake go read the article/study from September( last Month!) by Chase (I think) about how MMs and Funds are quietly buying up millions of Meme Stock shares months before the dreaded Gamma Squeeze, in preparation for said Gamma Squeeze. Just wake up and realize they are the insiders, the ones in the know, and they do everything in their power to rig the system in their favor…why you ask…cause it’s their fucking job and they get paid a ton of money to do it, and they know if they don’t/ can’t keep it rigged in their favor their is a long line of equally smart and capable people dying for a chance to show they got what it takes to win. Tell your wife to find a real man who isn’t only Partially committed to doing something, she’ll find a man of commitment to his work/livelyhood does every aspect of life a little better. And no you’ll never be Roaring Kitty, dude actually understood market sentiment, to some degree at least. And I’ll leave with this, way way back in the mid 90s when I interned at Credit Suisse First Boston, one of the first things I learned, and definitely the one that stuck with me was that those insiders…they don’t give a fuck bout you, your wife , mortgage, or whether you can’t take losses like this anymore and thoughts of hurting yourself are creeping into Your Mind. My Mentor asked me the first, last & only time he took me to lunch what the jobs of guys in the investment banking, arbitrage, or trade desk were. I sat there for nearly ten minutes trying to explain the duties of each department, he sat there quietly and let me ramble on and on until I finally needed a sip of water for my dry mouth. He said “you done or got another ten minutes left in you. I said I’m done, he said good…we all have only one job at CSFB, the same job that everyone has at Merrill, Goldman or KKR…”GREENMAIL” we get paid an obscene amount of money to make sure that we(the CEO, the Bank, Wall St, him & now me also) have more money in our pockets when we go home at the end of the day than when we arrived in the morning. That’s it, plain and simple…one task, one purpose THRU ANY MEANS NECESSARY. So quit bragging bout bag holding, or getting stopped out, calling yourself a bull, hating the shorts, and just fully embrace this profession 100% same as if you were working some dangerous job offshore or something and not committing would Likely get you hurt or killed. And I say this cause I personally know what kind of people you say you’re fighting/going up against, and I promise you they take their job as serious as anyone I’ve ever been around in my entire career.

GoldenPresidio

there are private equity stocks that trade on the public market such as KKR Idk who the guy is referring to in terms of who will face a margin call because that makes no sense unless you're levered through a broker, which these guys are not

thethirstypretzel

KKR and Blackstone are the big names. I’ve been looking at Ares who are especially heavy in private credit, the (more) evil twin of PE. Very tough to time it well though

exvertus

Demand. SOFR is still a market-set rate. It is generally not supposed to go above IORB for long, because when it does banks can arbitrage them back to parity, so IORB is considered a ceiling. SOFR spikes above IORB when there is high demand for cash or collateral. SOFR has been going above IORB at quarter ends for "window-dressing"---essentially everyone trying to get a good balance sheet snapshot for their 10-Qs. The spike in mid-Sept was to pay corporate taxes. But now? There is no obvious innocuous explanation, so it's probably related to regional banks and private credit: JEF, FITB, ZION, WAL, OWL, KKR, BX, etc.

walrusparadise

Anything to share about your PE hypothesis? CG, APO, and KKR are down 13-20% on the month and I'd be interested in getting in but don't see signs of it turning around soon

thalassamikra

You know what else is dumping - private credit and regional banks KKR, OWL down, WAL down big

WickedSensitiveCrew

PE firms like BX, APO, KKR, and ARE ripping today all of them still well off their 52 week highs.

ThinkingOfTheOldDays

kind of a mish mash of market leaders on the S&P 500. KKR, Caterpillar, ABNB, southwest...no real link other than GDP prints

WickedSensitiveCrew

APO, KKR, and a couple REITs have been what I bought over last couple of days. PE firms and REITs had already had corrections and dipped even further over last couple days.

dvdmovie1

I would not be trying to research every company something like KKR owns. It really becomes having the confidence in management over the or not and knowing that if things start to turn, these stocks do not act well - you can see how they cratered earlier this year before rebounding and now they're down on concerns over private credit.

biggigia

In there private credit funds the KKR/Apollo partnership have had less than 1% defaults since 2000. They’re so all good.

dvdmovie1

BDCs have been getting heavily sold off after the First Brands bankruptcy and worries there will be more to come with private credit. BX/KKR/APO also not having a good month either.

pointofyou

KP, KKR and the other usual suspects I supose

beehive3108

Short KKR and Apollo or most likely will be bailed out?

WickedSensitiveCrew

Im not sure why my comment got downvoted into oblivion. Prediction markets threat isn’t as big as I initially thought once I learned more about it. I’ll keep this brief. Sports betting is you against the house (like DraftKings, FanDuel, etc.), while prediction markets are you against other people. The main issue with prediction markets right now is liquidity of the less popular events humans dont want to lose money. Sports books are ok losing money since they feel with enough volume it favors the house. I also bought FICO, APO, KKR, RDDT, and ARE five other stocks I’ve been following. FICO has its own battle it them vs the Credit Bureaus and Equifax.

WickedSensitiveCrew

Just been quietly buying stocks that had pullbacks like FICO, APO, KKR, RDDT, ARE, and DKNG.

WickedSensitiveCrew

Added to KKR and APO. So many great companies are well off 52 week high in this market.

rick_moronis

Agree entirely. I think the Wolfspeed bankruptcy shined a light on what everyone in the industry already knew - all the private credit deals are almost absent of any protective covenants for lenders. The banks used to do a lot of the financing for business development. When interest rates shot up 5% it blew a hole in the capital of every bank (larger than almost everyone knows because securities write downs were in the news, but the mortgage portfolios take even bigger duration related losses. The capital and subsequently the lending all got chased out to private credit markets. There, you have the same problem as you had in mortgages in 2007 - the classic principle/agent problem. A loan from a bank is on their balance sheet and they want protections to safeguard their investment. Private credit as a conduit (agent) for investors doesn't due diligence the deals as closely, nor care as much that a loan doesn't work out. On the day of the Wolfspeed LME all of the private credit companies (KKR, Blue Owl, Blackstone, etc) all dropped 5%+ and their stock prices have all looked sort of bad since mid-year anyway.

WickedSensitiveCrew

Added to KNSL, APO, KKR, BLDR, and AXON. All five are in midst of a pullback or off thier own 52 week highs.

Humble-Letter-6424

If this gets low enough, someone like AMZN, Thoma Bravo, KKR, Vista could try and buy it…

WickedSensitiveCrew

Great choices. I went with PE firms such as KKR/APO and REITs. I felt they were interest rate sensitive but have less discussion around them since they not as exciting as tech stocks.

Worried-Aioli8417

I’m similar. UNH, KKR, UPS

Venice_LA

KKR

StockBrokenUSA

Doesn’t matter the method of acquisition. The leverage doesn’t speak for the IRR of the total firm. In many instances, the IRR of private equity beats that of market portfolio. Additionally, PE investing doesn’t require millions. You can do it with thousands or less. KKR stock gives you exposure to the underlying performance of their private equity holdings and done so for common shareholders. They have outperformed sp500 over the last 10 years by 3-fold.

Boston-Bets

Started buying small batches of WAMPQ, during the WAMU bankruptcy. They emerged with $6B worth of NOLs. But it wasn't clear how they could use them. Then when I saw this: [https://www.seattletimes.com/business/washington-mutual-shell-raises-598m-to-hunt-for-acquisitions/](https://www.seattletimes.com/business/washington-mutual-shell-raises-598m-to-hunt-for-acquisitions/) 10yrs ago, with KKR involved, I knew KKR would find a way to use $6B in NOLs, and they did, with WMIH buying NSM (Nationstar Mortgage), rebranding to COOP, and becoming the nation's largest mortgage servicer.

Worried_Quarter469

Maybe?? Exclusive: KKR Taps Former AWS CEO Selipsky to Advise on Data Centers

unemployed-mooch

Ford -F I inherited 550 shares of Ford from my dad in 2018. I would not call it a good value pick. I have seen it hit $20 in 2021 and drop below $9 a couple of times during the last 7 years. It is on drip and has only gained 87 shares in that time period for a 1.37% capital gain. Sell your shares the next time they are green. Don’t stick with Ford at age 13. I have been waiting for it to break $12.42 again to unload mine. That way only one drip lot is a loser. Ford will not give you the increase in funds that you are looking for on your timeline. I have never owned GM or Under Armour so I do not have an opinion. My dad also had C, MO, KKR, CAT, ITW, and a few others in the accounts he passed to me when he died in 2018. I sold all of those, but C and Ford. Ford always seems to be in the red when I am selling. C is up 97% from when I inherited, but I am only up 26 drip shares in that 7 years so it is a winner. I wish I had kept dad’s purchases since they have only gone up, but I sold them. Hindsight is 20/20. I wish I had bought SCHG on 6/1/2023 when I added it to my watch list. It is up 595% since that date. Again Hindsight is 20/20. Dad always said buy what you know. I bought NVDA and APPL because of what he said after they had split. Luckily I held those. I am more familiar with tech than Dad was. I sold my PEP, COST, SBUX because I did not see them growing in 2020/2021 when I was playing daytrader. All 3 would have given me a nice profit if I had held onto them. So if you are not watching, buy index for 80% of your account. If you are watching buy what you know especially if you see people buying their products left and right in the other 20%. I bought Apple because of the lines everytime a new phone came out. I keep wondering if their time is done. I bought Nvida because of the chip shortage in 2020/2021. A few weeks ago after 3 red days, I bought some Amazon and some VOO. You do you.

No_Zookeepergame_27

Why is APO lagging behind BX and KKR?

_hiddenscout

Happens. My main account is 3.43% with CLMB, ISSC, IESC, OPXS, OSIS, KKR, AMTM, IBEX, PRIM, MOG.A, STRL all up over 3%.

cryptohorn

Puts on KKR

Dumb_Nuts

It provides yield like a similar to a dividend stock, but the value itself can decrease. You’re buying shares at an assumed value, this value includes estimates of forward returns. If anything happens to reduce the outlook for forward earnings the value of the shares in the management company lose value. This isn’t any different than buying the public stock of KKR, BlueOwl, or the other public asset managers. They’ve done well the past few years (likely why insiders want to sell). Imagine a scenario that causes the fund to underperform and AUM to decrease. The value of your take in the partnership is now lower.

LordFaquaad

It'll probably be some reinsurer or Bermuda based insurer. I also doubt he can replicate buffets strategy. Insurance doesnt operate like other industries. Its long term and is heavily regulated by states. Buffet is okay with that because it works with his long term strategy. This dude operates closer to short/ medium term. Theres also something to say about timing. Buffet came in a time when there wasn't as much regulation, not as much competition and he says the industry grow to what it is today in real time. All in all, if he's actually looking with a PE lens, he should go into annuities. Its why insurers like Blackstone, KKR etc. Are sitting in annuities. The strategies align pretty closely

TonePone

[This one is a classic ](https://youtu.be/oWE2koXZiSc?si=PO54gmZMp3gmy_Gz) Startup.com is a 2001 American documentary film directed by Jehane Noujaim and Chris Hegedus. D.A. Pennebaker served as a producer on the film. It follows the dot-com start-up govWorks.com, which raised $60 million in funding from Hearst Interactive Media, KKR, the New York Investment Fund, and Sapient. The startup did not survive, but it became a reference for lessons learned, as it was the subject of a 2001 documentary that follows govWorks founders Kaleil Isaza Tuzman and Tom Herman from 1999 to 2000, as the Internet bubble was bursting.

Venice_LA

woahhh what just happened to PE/IB stocks? just shot up 3-4 percent KKR APO GS

straddle-all-time

Private equity gonna suffer in this market. My PE portion was down 50% in April alone just by holding shares (KKR is part of that), and ranges bound between minus 10-20% at the moment while everything rockets. Anyway, still part of my portfolio, who else can compare to greediness of these PE.

SuffiecientSapian

The chances of breaking even on Amazon are extremely high. Not even joking. It’s already rebounding and these will be back in the money. KKR big maybe but Amazon yes and then sell

raannathr333

Their CFO came out of PWC financial audit group. I believe Deloitte is their auditor, and KKR capital markets was their joint book runner & provided a credit facility. Who knows… doesn’t seem to be a scam.

MaybeMalaka

APO is valued at at 20ish PE well it's competitors BX and KKR are at a 50+ PE all three are in private equity. Mainly due to a valuation based on Athena being an insurance provider but they just agreed to take majority control of Stream Data Centers and if they start getting a tech multiple you could see some jaw dropping growth from a mid cap, mix in the rate cuts that are coming and just generally being a profitable powerhouse could see a very strong quarter playing catch up to the general market.

FlyLikeDove

KKR - Was in at between $44-55 on three of my lil portfolios, needed some cash and got out before it hit 100, a couple months later it spiked. I still made a profit and was happy, but damn I wish I would’ve held it. On the crypto side, definitely Solana. I was holding a bunch at an average cost of $18 and decided to sell at $65 thinking I did good, and within two months after that, it spiked up over 100 and kept going. Also wish I would’ve kept my money in bitcoin when I had bought in around 15k. But I try not to think about that too much.

_elijahwright

Figma isn't on the Fidelity calendar so you can't submit an IOI. but yea it's $500k unless the IPO is sponsored by KKR. doesn't matter because you need $500k to even get into Fidelity Wealth Management

wtf_is_up

>$KKR: a cut above the rest w management fee growth at 9% Q/Q - strength across all segments, Fee related earnings up 22% Y/Y, solid net realizations and fundraising momentum. @stephanie_link

stillyourking

Had to use Perplexity because Google is shit. [HOG stock buybacks almost 33% of market cap](https://investor.harley-davidson.com/news/news-details/2025/Harley-Davidson-Delivers-Second-Quarter-Financial-Results-and-Announces-HDFS-Transaction-with-KKR-and-PIMCO/default.aspxHarley-Davidson-Harley-DavidsonDeliversSecondQuarterFinancialResultsandAnnouncesHDFSTransactionwithKKRandPIMCO)

No_Zookeepergame_27

Why is APO lagging KKR & BX too much?

BullyMog

I’m also long KKR