UPS

Kaner16

That's what I'm saying.... the mining/energy/datacenter projects you mentioned will likely be handled by truckload carriers, NOT parcel/LTL carriers like UPS and FedEx. I think they're undervalued, especially UPS since they're an all around better carrier, but those particular projects and industries won't be the driving factors.

the_Q_spice

Both FDX and UPS also do LTL, and significant amounts of it in quite a few different markets. FedEx for instance has: [Freight](https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/freight/ltl.html) [Express Freight](https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/freight/air-freight/freight-1-3-business-day.html) - LTL freight via air And [Custom Critical](https://www.fedex.com/en-us/custom-critical.html#whatis) Huge note, Freight is being spun off and intending a separate IPO (just filed their Form 10) this year on the NYSE under FDXF with around $20B in FDXF shares distributed to existing FDX shareholders. https://investors.fedex.com/news-and-events/investor-news/investor-news-details/2025/FedEx-Reports-Strong-Second-Quarter-Earnings-Growth-Year-Over-Year/ When it is spin-off, it will become the largest publicly traded LTL in the US ($8.9B in revenue, next highest being ODFL at $5.8B, and XPO after that at $4.9B). To be clear; this isn’t a rumor, it’s happening May 31.

Remarkable-County554

I've worked at UPS for many years, unlikely. However, the online Healthcare business is where we are currently attempting to gain market share. High end revenue per box vs your average consumer goods.

Kaner16

While I agree FDX and UPS look undervalued, I wouldn't say mining, datacenters, energy projects, etc are really relevant to these companies. Parcel and LTL carriers operate in a different segment of the industry. The projects you mentioned will likely be handled by truckload carriers.

the_Q_spice

3 main ones for me are FDX UPS and LUNR LUNR - because of acquiring both [KinetX](https://www.kinetx.com/missions) and [Lanteris](https://lanterisspace.com/about-us/history) and announcing a pivot into the defense and satellite industry. FDX and UPS - somewhat boring, but all the stuff for new datacenters, prospective mining, and power plant and energy projects has to be transported by *someone*. Both are pretty undervalued right now. I don’t see either moonshotting, but they’re good long term investments.

Such-Leader-881

That's actually pretty bullish for the sector. When you see repeat orders from the big boys like UPS and WM, that's usually a solid signal the tech isn't just hype. These fleets don't mess around with their capex

fairlyaveragetrader

Well it's kind of mixed because on the one hand you have Costco who is famous for taking care of their employees and they are trading at this really high multiple, stock went on a run. With UPS it's not even necessarily the economics of the things as much as it is the viewpoint. If they make an average of $8 a share, at $120 you're only talking about a 15 PE. That's not very high. It's under the S&p 500. It's even under the equal weight S&p 500. More than anything it's the sentiment that needs to change. Then you can address the work and the labor and that kind of thing. When you have any stock and people lose money in it they get emotionally connected to that. It's been in the downtrend for months and it needs to close decisively above the 50 week moving average and stay there. It's in the process of doing so and if it reports good earnings in february. You can start building positive sentiment. Personally I'm looking for the trade from 93 which is my entry but I'll be out by 120 if we get that price within the next 18 months. Somewhere between 120 and 150 is likely Fair value. The pandemic prices are just that, everyone was ordering things. Above 150 you're going to start having positive sentiment, because if they get to $9 a share and you put a 20 PE on that and now you're at 180 dollar stock

erichang

I also like UPS, but their union contract got me hesitated. Any idea how would that might affect their bottom line?

the_Q_spice

Most folks like UPS and FedEx can’t really use them at all. A lot of sort facilities are either on or near airports. Unless the FAA feels like shutting down portions of fully controlled airspace for drone corridors, flying tens of thousands of drones (would be needed even for the smallest of locations) per day to and from an airport is pure science fiction. Otherwise, you are going to need to buy thousands of drone trucks and similar thousands of shuttle trucks to carry freight to the drones, in addition to having our normal delivery trucks and flights. Delivery drones are a gimmick. Source: work at FDX, the only drones I have heard of us looking at are ones for flying to remote islands with pilot-less aircraft to avoid ETOPs requirements.

EvolvingDior

Common driver scam. Call UPS and report them.

Kickboy21

UPS driver said they attempted delivery but no one was here. WHY THEY LYING?!

luv2block

The new CEO of UPS did the same thing. Bought $1M upon becoming CEO. A couple months later stock was up 20%. Usually it's a good sign. That said, these people are richer than kings and Cook investing $1M is like you investing $10. Sometimes it's just a technique to calm down investors... as is evident by your shift in attitude toward the company. You've gone from disinterest to interest.

SoloOutdoor

Not using third party shipping services ... UPS/FedEx/USPS. They have their own fleet of vans and or sub contractors.

Separate_Fold5168

"UPS - the Amazon exit hurts, but I fail to see how their moat is in jeopardy. Incredibly difficult to replicate their network. The economy needs them. They will recover." I was SHOCKED at how much it cost me to send one small light gift this year with the lowest regular shipping (about $47 to ship a $25 present). I have to imagine Amazon and any other big players who can, will continue to find ways to disrupt their expensive union worker model.

Skoolfail2doublegrad

Netflix, Chipotle, P&G, UPS

Productpusher

Just note that right now in the USA in a very very short time Amazon ground ships more packages daily than UPS and they are planning on doing the same with Amazon Air . Once they can sync ground and air it’s going to be crazy offering overnight and 2 day delivery nationwide . Virtually every e-commerce platform and 3rd party platform like eBay , tik tok , faire , etc all let you ship with Amazon shipping . You don’t have to be selling on amazonz Except Walmart they will suspend sellers for uploading tracking from Amazon . Their 3rd party marketplace is awful with no future . My only knowledge is being a large seller who worked with every shipper and my annual shipping spend is 3 million and am a nobody . Lot of old timers stuck in their ways won’t leave ups or FedEx to cut their costs down 10% but they will all get replaced by youth.

Fat-Wallet

I’ve bought some of both. UPS - the Amazon exit hurts, but I fail to see how their most is in jeopardy. Incredibly difficult to replicate their network. The economy needs them. They will recover. Chipotle - in addition to me loving their food for a long time, I love that they own their own stores. No franchising. Growth potential is still really high. I always remember how much McDonalds has grown over the past several decades. 42,000 locations worldwide. Chipotle has 3,800. I fail to see how Chipotle would have less appeal than eating at McDonald’s.

fairlyaveragetrader

UPS could be one, they are projections for an increase in earnings on the next report early February. It looks like they put in a low, they were guided down by the 50 week moving average ever since 2023, now it's trading on top of it. It's a pretty good setup going into earnings because if they report anywhere near what's expected you should get a decisive move through 105 or higher Chipotle also has a rather interesting chart, trading like the low is in

Hi_Keyboard_Warriors

I do have few names that can give returns like Meta in 2026, here are those tickers. SPT (Sprout Social) OS (One stream) KSPI (One of the overseas hidden gem 💎) UPS (we all know about this) UNH (Has more potential to go up) CRM (don’t need explanation here) UPST (I don’t know man, bought at $43 and currently up on it) CAVA (same condition with UPST) PIN (yeah, nah?)

the_Q_spice

Honestly, fuel is factored into every shipping company’s prices. Profits don’t really change because we just raise or lower fuel surcharges as that market changes. We don’t really use the surcharges to increase profit, just to limit losses. These are updated weekly (which is why shipping prices can seem so volatile sometimes) and are [published on our websites](https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/fuel-surcharge.html), broken down by service type. Just my $0.02 as a FDX employee. Both us and UPS have been trying to reduce fuel expenses, but mainly in the aviation sector by transitioning to sustainable aviation fuels and better flight routing. For example, in FY24 (2 years ago), we saved more than 130 *million* gallons of fuel, saving about $400M that year. But, again, most of those savings are from our airplanes and have more to do with retiring less efficient aircraft and acquiring more efficient ones or using more efficient fuels.

the_Q_spice

UPS is insanely undervalued right now, trading at 5-10 year lows. Dropped by 25-30% this year entirely due to headlines but keeps posting record profits. Even if they just correct to where they should be, that’s 20-30% gains yoy.

fairlyaveragetrader

Check your local Google listings. Try terms like coin shop near me, coin shop and the name of your local city, gold dealer, silver dealer, see what pops up. Around Portland Oregon there is one called Harry's coin shop. This dude will just hand you cash. He does a lot of YouTube interviews as well, the guy probably takes in a good deal of volume and pays pretty well for it. Each major city is going to have something similar. If you don't find a good bid, you can always ask apmex and UPS them a box but it's nice just to get that stack of money for all the obvious reasons if you can

the_Q_spice

Personally; I’m buying a lot in the shipping market (UPS and FDX). Things always need to move from point A to point B, and literally no one is at the point of being peer competition to either UPS or FDX. Case in point being last year. FDX grew a ton and increased their operating income as well as yield per package; even in the face of tariffs and having 10% of their air fleet grounded right before the peak season. Despite UPS being down almost 40%, both their profit margin and operating income increased as well; again, in the face of what should have been a catastrophic year for shipping companies. Their last earnings report caused a 16% rebound in value, their next is due in a few weeks and could very easily be similar. Basically, expect them to return to their 10-year average throughout this year, pretty safe bet at a 20-30% gain.

VenturaRyanRound2

RocketLab is a fantastic company but this comparison misses. RocketLab is UPS/Fedex delivering packages for others while ASTS is Nvidia for satellite cell communications. 

the_Q_spice

Honestly, I only have a bit of stock popular here. Most of my portfolio is much more conservative picks like ALL, UPS, and FDX.

Excellent-Mud2091

I think he gets a lil help from UPS

Secret_Account07

I’m so fucking sick of AI had to call UPS the other day as they lost my package. Guess who fought with AI for 20 minutes? My furnace went out in my rented house while it’s 22 degrees outside and I had to call my large rental company. Guess who fought with AI? With the last one they used to have an emergency maintenance number, but now it’s AI. What was AIs response to emergency maintenance request? Call 911 I’m so fucking sick of it Same deal when I had to file a claim with T mobile. Tbh I call like 3 companies a year. I do everything online and through app. I don’t like calling. But the rare stuff that I can’t do it on? I’m fighting with a fucking robot # LIKE WHY DO YOU THINK IM CALLING? BECAUSE ITS SOMETHING I COULDN’T RESOLVE ONLINE FFS It’s only getting worse. Enshitification is in full effect and AI is throwing gasoline on it Kill med

INT_MIN

Yes increased efficiency will remove the need for some SDE roles. But SDE II and up shouldn't be compared to the repeatable and repetitive work of UPS drivers. And stating a single principal engineer will replace an entire org's worth of engineers is just a massive leap that requires evidence. Take two seconds to think about this. Is a principal engineer going to be oncall indefinitely for 50+ services? Are agents going to be handling AWS outages and driving fixes with system-wide impact autonomously any time soon? Oncall efficiency should improve, identifying patterns will improve, but complex troubleshooting and reasoning for system-wide failures will not be replaced any time soon.

Calm_Advantage_6264

Okay. But I know the roadmap. AI right now is best at replacing coders lol. Replace a UPS driver with AI. Please. You’d be very rich. 

Puzzleheaded-Monk688

$JD $ONDS $UP $AG, played some spy calls and a few other tickers like $UPS and $BABA but those were the big ones

Jeeperg84

My wife's replacement phone is coming today UPS and someone has to sign for it...I've been ordered to stay home and listen for the door... I guess that means I can do some stock 'trading'

KuroFafnar

QCOM, 222 @ $158 WY, 350 @ $31 MDT, 180 @ $90 MKSI, 165 @ $109 UPS, 135 @ $112 Gotta harvest at some point, didn't feel those would outperform even VXUS this year. I was wrong about MKSI but correct on the others.

Altruistic_Court5981

I’m looking into getting some UPS calls here

BrickSufficient6938

My position is microscopic but yeah this one is forever. Mars mission, 1b in backlog, Neutron coming up, vertical integration, regarded plans to challenge UPS and so far flawless execution... 💎🙌

SilverShape

The big thing for me is looking at dips that dont make sense. My two dip plays have been UPS and RCL. Bought UPS at $89 because I figured it had gone down due to slowdown after the covid bump but would be ultimately fine in the long run (and a good dividend). Bought RCL after it went down 5% 3 days in a row when Trump was on a “flags of convenience” tirade that I figured would never happen. Bought ~$250 and sold ~$340.

sorryabouthewindow

The pop tart slipped between the grate and now the toaster is just fucking ruined. Between this and the UPS stealing my “candle filled with weed” package, Christmas is just canceled.

15pH

The concept you want to explore is a MOAT: some competitive advantage that makes a company difficult or impossible to overtake. eBay had no real moat, just a strong network effect. They relied on users to do all the shipping and procurement and listings and everything. Amazon has immense infrastructure that acts as a moat. Distribution hubs, shipping logistics, last mile delivery fleets, customer base, vendor base, computing backbone... Amazon was able to build massive scale by being the first mover, as well as by using the AWS cash flow. It's hard to imagine an organic growth company ever competing. It would have to be a merger of Walmart plus UPS plus Microsoft.

PastafarianSasquatch

Been holding FDX since i worked there in the early 2000s. I don't work there anymore, but the stock options were nice. Might pick up some UPS, but unions have been getting shit on lately. Hope that changes soon. Solid advice tho.

Southern-Equal-6014

I bought 4 months ago, it's up a lot since then.  They have problems with expenses but I think they're bullet proof with a really high dividend.  I work for USPS, UPS has the best workforce in delivery by a lot and is economically indispensable.  

the_Q_spice

UPS, FDX, and holding for those sweet dividends. Both are pretty undervalued if anything right now too. A lot of folks day trading don’t understand that logistics shares are very long positions. Shorter positions on logistics are really dumb moves. Too many people value logistics on tabloid stories when most revenue is already decided and set in stone the previous year.

PaulStonk

I would say the unions F'd it up. Almost doubled employee cost in terms of pay and benefits. It'll be hard for UPS to recover as long as they are paying their drivers like they have a master's degree or something...

BeneficialQuality899

UPS

Impossible_Rip_6743

UPS calls. Told y'all🫡 GL

currancchs

Up 55% in the last twelve months doing exactly that, while moving more and more into non-tech stuff (e.g. UPS, ODC, NWL) and the rest in index funds, with a lucky break on TLRY helping out considerably (I do not recommend that stock at all btw).

Mikiri_2077

UPS unaffected by the shit market doing +1% each day

Lonely_Paper_1198

UPS did well after earnings I made a bag off that, calls

Mikiri_2077

You can't spell UPS without ups

VenerateOHeaviside

How do you look in brown? UPS is hiring

VenerateOHeaviside

UPS is hiring

Ilikegooddeals

Everything they own is seasonal. I work for UPS and everything you mentioned that 1-800 owns comes through here. Each year it’s gets less and less. Cheryls cookies isn’t even a fraction of what it was years ago, 1800 is where companies go to die.

AdhesivenessWide6470

You bring up a good point and kind of a big flaw in my plan, I think I was super blinded by the crazy expensive AMD call options but I don’t believe in amd long term the way I do with a few other stocks I have in mind, I’m working on building up Amazon, Apple, iren, Google, Tesla, AVGO (expecially right now that they’re at a crazy discount) I’m currently holding some $370 calls for AVGO for January 30th, they’re down $1000 total right now ($50 each) but i think those will be huge gainers. Obviously can’t see the future but I’m hoping that AVGO recovers enough by then and then I can sell 19 of my contracts and let my last one get assigned, using the funds from the calls I’ll have sold at a hefty profit to cover the cost of the 100 shares. But right now I’m doing the covered calls on Sofi, only I still don’t have enough shares of all the other stocks on my wishlist but I’ll get there. After I’m done stocking up on all those I’ll run the wheel strategy if I ever have to let my covered call be assigned, but ya you’re right I definitely do need to be a lot more careful doing this on margin,my original plan was to use make sure I had 10% more than the margin limits but I’ve changed It to 15% to be a bit more on the safe side, lately I’ve been doing 0dte but on a super small scale as I know how risky it can be, it’s been making me an extra $1500-2000 a week, although I got lucky last week with a $6k profit but I know not to get cocky with it and start thinking I’ve figured it out because that’s all it takes to wipe your whole account lol, everything is surprisingly going better than planned and I should have the shares of everything I want much sooner than I had hoped for. I’ve also started to buy small amounts of shares in a handful of dividend paying stocks. I haven’t finished choosing the exact list that I’m going to stick to but mainly companies that I’ve been exposed to and see long term potential for. Right now I like Walmart, UPS, affirm, O (realty income monthly dividends), Pepsi, chevron, etc. Obviously like I said before I’m still new to this compared to most people in this subreddit but my goal is to be able to eventually live off of the income of covered calls, dividends putting a small amount of profits towards day trading the s&p contracts. I’m 23 so I know this is a huge goal and most people would see as unrealistic but you can’t do it if you don’t try! I hope we can all do well enough to be successful with this, thanks for the advice and comment!

the_Q_spice

Amazon is honestly really funny. They keep saying this, but they can’t even keep up with their own deliveries. That’s why: Prime Air is wet-leased out to Atlas Air. Bulk and heavyweights are outsourced to FedEx. Returns are outsourced to UPS. And rural, undesirable deliveries are given to USPS. Until Amazon can actually handle 100% of their own shipping volume, they need to shut up.

_hiddenscout

My friend who is an UPS driver and I feel like that's another hard one to automate. I can see a future where you can have a truck drive stop to stop, but having a human take the package and deliver it being much better than any robot/automation, for the short to mid term.

Mikiri_2077

UPS pretty strong in this shit market

Impossible_Rip_6743

UPS calls

Mikiri_2077

Chances of UPS +20% EOM ?

Fix_Aggressive

I see your point. I question how strongly their lives are affected by a false premise. Sales guys will be sales guys. Those jobs were already in peril if the ceo is an idiot. I worked for Avon cosmetics years ago. The business was sliding so they brought in a very well paid ceo named Hicks Waldron. He decided to start a trucking company division of Avon to compete with UPS. Not joking. Of course it failed. I was in a group of 30+ engineers. Walked into a meeting late to find out I was one of three survivors. Everyone else was reassigned or terminated. My point is that bad CEOs are not a new thing.

Lopsided_Process5141

Anyone got an honest opinion on UPS? I have leaps that expire Jan 2027 that are already up 100%. I should probably just be happy with those gains right?

ch0c0l8cake

$WEN $CMG $PFE $NVO $CAG $UPS $TAP $SG $WHR $TGT These are for true investors, not the fiends looking for a 10% random gain on some news overnight. Patience is key at this stage we are in with this market Collecting dividends, DCA, and avoid swing trading between companies is the key for the next 5-10 years

d33p7r0ubl3

I would be surprised if RENT beats. I used to see their bags all the time when dropping things off at the UPS store. Now I hardly see them

Possible-Material693

CNC and UPS calls are printing money 💴

Mikiri_2077

As I mentioned for the last couple days, I'm happy as a UPS holder.

Impossible_Rip_6743

UPS calls

Denny_Dust91

Rate my portfolio Hello, I'm not some stock expert like you guys but make decent money and been investing awhile... Rate my holdings, or tell me what you would change! I probably won't listen, but I'll take it into consideration. Total Portfolio: $771K~ (all approx. numbers) VOO: $455K VYM: $109K SGOV: $98K (Slowly shifting to stocks, DCA) NEE: $24K LMT: $23K PYPL: 21K TGT: 21K UPS: 20K ADBE: 20K

Chrg88

Amazon is heavily dependent on FDX UPS and the postal service

Mikiri_2077

UPS breakout. Get in for 20% quickie by EOY

gay_ghoti_yo

UPS to 100 eventually 

cheapdvds

Eventually waymo will kick uber to the curb just like what amazon did to Fedex/UPS and started their own logistics.

Main_Help1928

Since the plane crash and grounding of the fleet MD11 lift capacity is reduced. Ups told Amazon we want less of the volume pre crash Now ups is negotiating to get back the volume. They need revenue the operating costs increased leasing planes and equipment to get back lift capacity. The air gateways say they see increasing airfreight shipments. UPS trying to get as much revenue as they can get

Mikiri_2077

I'm a happy UPS holder. Thanks

BeneficialQuality899

UPS

EstateNo833

Great. Good for them. That doesnt mean they do 90% of GLOBAL launches.  If UPS delivers a package to Germany, do they have 90% of european market share?  No? Does that sound pretty fucking stupid? Great. Connect the dots. 

Mikiri_2077

I must say UPS is my fav undervalued value stock in this market as a ghey bear

Pereise1

They use Best buy, instacart, Roadie (UPS subsidiary), and Uber eats

newbirdhunter

UPS, IREN, IBIT, BTCI. these are the largest. there are several others that will come back like MSFT and MO so not too worried about those.

ZealousidealSector19

Google Home AI is kind of wild. Bombards your home with a play by play of what is happening. "UPS truck enters driveway" UPS delivery driver delivers package to front door"

Mikiri_2077

Idk why I went all in UPS last week. I guess I was lucky.

Acasualfarter

They use Roadie. UPS ended up buying them. That's one of the delivery services I use. I have a van so I can deliver grills or other big items that people don't have a vehicle to accommodate. Like I said it's seldomly worth it

Expert_Nail3351

Main account 60 %Asts/ 15%rklb/10%nvda/the rest split between amd/pfe/oxy/krknf 3 other accounts are all index Another account is 90% UPS and 10% asts Last account is 100% xrp

No-Improvement3164

I have only been assigned shares one time selling CSP and it was my first time. UPS was at 105 going into earnings. I sold the 95 and when I was assigned UPS was 84. Had I hedged and bought the 85 strike for pennies to protect my down side would have been nice. I don’t sell without buying now.

Outofasuitcase

I live in Alaska. USPS is our last mile. No one else even tries. UPS can take literally months to get to us. FedEx is no better. Only USPS gets us mail regularly and semi predictably.

Regarded__Regard

Piss pod dog shit anal weasel shit hole market keeps fucking me over. And the god damn UPS guy is 7 hours late on my damn package. REEEEEEEEE

Testuser7ignore

The bigger issue is UPS isn't legally allowed to compete on non-urgent mail.

VirtualFutureAgent

Is the supreme courier better than UPS and FedEx?

Jimdandy941

My info is 20 years out of date, but at one time I dealt with a big mail order pharmacy. They contracted with a jobber-shipper for shipment. The company would pick up the containers of the labeled packages. Move them to its facility, scan them, and determine the cheapest, time sensitive shipping option, then deliver packages to the origin point. The origin point could be USPS, fedex, UPS, DHL, etc. a package could literally ship from FedEx to UPS, to USPS or any combination depending on all the factors (distance, time, etc). Common route was UPS to the USPS routing center nearest your home for final delivery. Something high priority could be sent via FedEx for overnight to your door by 9 AM. Another might be rerouted to FedEx Home.

TheyCallMeBigAndy

Honeywell doesn’t own Libert. In fact, Libert makes most of the CRAC units. It makes more sense to buy Trane as they make good water-cooler chiller. For the electrical side, I would find something related to Eaton UPS

insertJokeHere2

Amazon relies on different last mile delivery methods for packages and parcels if one of their Prime drivers are unable go reach a destination in rural or remote place. USPS by law has to deliver mail to every registered address. In the past they use UPS, FedEx, USPS, and other local carriers. The cost ate into their margins so they built their own logistics. Merchants need different 3PLs and carriers to reduce shipping cost. USPS is the cheapest and best guarantee to ship to every customer in the US. Amazon makes merchants pay a lot to sell and ship. Essentially Amazon will take a way business from USPS and force merchants to use Amazon as their main carrier.

FiniteCircle

Amazon is increasing deliveries to rural areas but America is huge so likely not possible/profitable. Also UPS has decreased deliveries. If this is true it could be a hedge or bluff.

Westboundandhow

That’d be great since USPS doesn’t do residential delivery in many small towns, even when UPS or FedEx does, and since there’s no way to know which carrier Amazon will choose, I’ve stopped using it altogether.

kicaboojooce

Our Amazon is usually delivered by UPS, it's first name basis hellos at this point, freeze pops in the summer and hot chocolate in the winter. We're also very, very rural.

wdean13

we already paid for replacing UPS for him--delivery trucks ,planes,drivers all wrote off against company profits.

McTrolling69

Free market capitalism. It would be an add on to amazons business model with internal shipping from amazon itself. There would be other shipping companies like UPS and USPS competing thus not making it a monopoly.

ImDistortion1

Must be different where I live. My Amazon Warehouse has a way larger delivery fleet of drivers and vans than any UPS or FedEx Warehouse in my town. Having worked at Fedex and Amazon, Fedex Was tiny and only delivered heavy packages. I drove all over the place including rural and far away places for Amazon. It makes sense why small envelopes would be sent to USPS though as its a way smaller vehicle and also Amazon is not even allowed to put mail into any Mailbox's so that also has to be a huge factor. I have never delivered any letter for Amazon and if I did it was to the front door as its illegal for Amazon drivers to put it in the mailbox.

ShadowLiberal

Even UPS, FedEx, etc. don't. The dirty secret they don't want people to know is that if you send a package to some very remote rural area they just pay the USPS to deliver it because it's cheaper then doing it themselves. And the roads leading to those remote places are often quite bad to, which increases the risk of it damaging their delivery vehicles, and is another reason why they outsource it.

LibBot16

Look into VRT. we replaced every Eaton UPS on our campus with them and they rock. I bought some of it when I installed them at $50 and it's absolutely taken off with no signs of slowing.

-weird-fishes-

Is it laughable? They already deliver their own packages in my neighborhood in trucks made by Rivian. There is no reason they can't deliver a share of the packages that would flow through USPS/UPS/FEDEX.

Celodurismo

I mean there's no expectation that they're the best, they provide a service. Also your anecdotal experience isn't really meaningful. UPS messes up a lot more often than USPS and Fedex is an absolute dumpster for me most of the time. I dread seeing a order confirmation email with a fedex tracking number. USPS is a service, a vital and important service, and one that should never be privatized. Again, it doesn't need to be perfect to be very important. Also a lot of the recent issues with USPS can be traced back to... you guessed it... republicans!

Whatcanyado420

USPS is pretty garbage compared to it's private competitors. Slower and similar costs on shipping. I would choose UPS over the postal service any day.

Knurling_Turtle

should have bought UPS years ago.

gay_ghoti_yo

Fuckin UPS, shit old man stock