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No idea. I’m 25 and I have 50% of my investments in brokerage I opened last week and I just sent 25% VOO 25% VOOG and 50% MSFT. The other 50% I dont manage directly. Seems to me like a safe play for someone with plenty of time, and MSFT is on sale. Guess it depends on ur goal. I bought 25k of MSFT this week, it could be down for months, but eventually it’ll go up and it’ll be fast imo
Zoom out. There's a larger arc indicating this is a bigger event than just a momentary event. Growth stocks like VUG, VOOG, QQQ and SCHG all hit ATHs on Oct 29 2025. Enjoy the ride down.
Zoom out it's actually on the way down growth stocks like SCHG, VUG, VOOG, and QQQ which are supposed to perpetually increase **ALL** had ATHs on Oct 29, 2025 and have been creeping down ever since.
VOO is probably the better choice between the two. VOOG is basically a subset of VOO that only holds the "growth" stocks - but ironically, historically growth-focused funds tend to underperform the broader market over long periods. The main difference in dividends: VOO currently yields around 1.2-1.3% while VOOG yields less (around 0.5%) since growth companies reinvest more and pay out less. At 25 with solid income, honestly just sticking to VOO and buying consistently is a solid plan. The boring answer is usually the right one - set up automatic contributions and don't overthink it. You could add some international exposure later (VXUS) if you want more diversification, but it's not essential. One tip: tracking your portfolio growth over time can be really motivating. Even a simple spreadsheet works, but there are free apps that aggregate everything in one place.
Consider this: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio The bonds are the part that adjust volatility level (if you really can stomach 100% stock, they can even be set to 0%, however not everyone is actually able to tolerate 100% stock). More bonds should equal less volatility. Alternatively, a target date (index) fund or target allocation (index) fund are effectively the 3 fund concept in a single wrapper, managed for you. They are designed to be "one and done," the only thing you hold. They're fully diversified internally for you. These can be found with expense ratios as low as 0.08%-0.12% for the Fidelity, iShares, Schwab, and Vanguard index based ones. The target date and target allocation funds typically are not recommended for taxable accounts but are fine for tax advantaged. VT (2 letters)/VTWAX would cover both stock roles in one fund. (VOO could be used as a substitute for the US stock market role of you wanted to skip smaller caps) VOOG is fully included inside of VOO and focuses on the "growth" side of the style box (growth factor focused). Be careful, "growth" may not mean what you'd think it would in this case - the companies in it are already priced for lots of growth (compared to the rest of VOO). For what longer term history has shown about growth vs the test of the market, see: Factor investing starting points: * https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/factor-investing.asp * https://www.fidelity.com/bin-public/060_www_fidelity_com/documents/fidelity/fidelity-overview-of-factor-investing.pdf (PDF) * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-black-hole-of-investing/ * https://www.dimensional.com/ca-en/insights/when-its-value-versus-growth-history-is-on-values-side * But be aware that factor premiums can take a while to show up: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bogleheads/comments/1hmbwuw/what_every_longterm_investor_should_know_about/ * And from GwenRoll: https://www.reddit.com/r/ETFs/comments/1krd3fe/growth_does_no_one_know_what_the_hell_it_means/
Since you got laid off, I would transfer the 401k into a Fidelity Rollover IRA. That way you have more investment choices than the Vanguard TDA 2065. If you put it in an SP500 index fund like IVV, IVW, SPY, VOO, or VOOG then your $410k would grow to $4,444,229 in 25 years assuming an 10% average annual rate of return. If you and your wife’s $1 million was just invested in the SP500 then you would have $10,834,706 in 25 years assuming a conservative 10% average annual rate of return. If you want to get to $20 million then you need to add some individual stocks with good fundamentals to your portfolio. Once you reach to $20 million when you’re 65 then you can diversify into high quality dividend stocks paying average of 5% dividends a year. Thats about $1,000,000 a year in dividends. Pretty good retirement income I would say.
IDK why people put alot of money into risky stocks for long term. I get you that Data Center stocks are hot but why port 80% portfolio into it? This is why asset Management course is needed for all investors or should have a asset manager help you with risk management. Always have 15% in VOO/SPY 15% in QQQ/VOOG 10% SCHD 10% Gold 10% Bonds 25% Individual Stocks like MAG 7 or Monopolies 15% (10% into future bets and less than 5% yoloing on Calls) This way you dont take heat during down turns and will recover steadily once market goes up. Sell gold and bonds when market is down and load up stocks.
Until you learn more IMO the smartest move is ETFs like VOO, VOOG, VTI, QQQM and hold.
All I have is FAANG leaps and some KWEB, VOOG, VOO as my core positions. I can’t trust anything here for short term 😂
i’ve been trying to figure out what to invest in because i’m very new to the whole investing arena. i already have money in VOO and VOOG, but as far as what to do after that i’m pretty lost
VUG and/or VOOG and chill
I use margin with Vanguard's 60(VOOG)/40(VXUS) strategy, outperforming the benchmark by 2–3% last two years net of interest. This model works as long as margin rates stay below market returns and the Fed rate. By capping margin at 40–50% of my portfolio, I boost returns and offset investment taxes with interest expenses, all while maintaining liquidity without having to sell shares.
Sorry for the late reply. If you have no plans for the money for the next five years then an SP500 Index fund is your best bet. There’s VOO, SPY, and IVV. If you want an SP500 ETF with a tad more growth in it then VOOG and IVW are good too. I own IVW. I had it for over 15 years and I am happy with it.
Anything could make more sense than what I'm doing. Our 401k's are in VOO equivs and taxable account is nearly all in VT. It's just our Roth IRAs that are all in on VOOG which have done better than VOO but they are a small % of our overall holdings due to contribution limits (we backdoor but don't have access to mega backdoor).
VOOV is the ETF that contains the theoretically undervalued stocks (note the extra V on the end). VOO is the full S&P 500. VOOG includes just the S&P 500 stocks identified as "growth" and VOOV includes just the ones identified as "value".
VOOG has negative loadings on the value exposure about -0.34 according to portfoliovisualizer, while having a beta (or market exposure of about 1.06). VOO has a very slight negative value loading of -0.02, probably due to the big tech concentration, and a market exposure of 1.00. VOOG also has a less statistically significant negative momentum loading of -0.08. Longer term I would expect VOOG’s negative loadings to result in lower returns compared to VOO. This is despite the fact VOOG has a slightly higher beta. TLDR: VOO will probably outperform VOOG by maybe a 1% or something a year over the long term although that could obviously fluctuate a lot.
What I’m saying with the market variation is that my VOOG holdings are primarily in a taxed advantaged retirement account that I will not reasonably touch for another 30+ years so I am unconcerned with the market volatility at this time. Even a five to ten year recovery recession is not something I anticipate needing to liquidate any funds.
I’m relatively new to this, so I guess my understanding was that VOOG invested in the tech more heavily and was higher risk/reward scenario as tech has been growing so rapidly but could also face a large reversal more easily than a more varied S&P Portfolio. I made a good bit another stock that I believed in (tech as well) that jumped like 600% which I sold and then reinvested to VOOG over VOO because I understood it as having a higher potential for growth. I understand what you’re saying about the current overpricing, but are you saying that VOO would function more similarly to a under valued stock?
Keep in mind that the term "growth" in this context is essentially just a nice way of saying "overpriced" relative to PE (with "value" meaning "underpriced"). It does not mean that those stocks are expected to grow more in terms of stock price over time but that those companies need to grow profits just to justify their PE and current stock price. In fact, historically, value stocks have outperformed growth stocks by a wide margin, not surprisingly since that means buying underpriced stocks beats buying overpriced stocks, though, in recent times, growth has outperformed value due to the prominence of tech companies being "overpriced" relative to PE. I call this out because I am assuming your "heavy focus on growth" is in terms of your portfolio value and not because you have a general desire to hold overpriced stocks. Based on the history of the stock market, a "heavy focus on growth" would actually lead towards an overweighting of value stocks (e.g. VOOV) rather than growth/VOOG, even if VOOG has been winner lately. The questions of when/if the tech "bubble" will burst and when/if value stocks will regain their historical position of outperformance is something that has been talked about greatly going at least a decade or so back. No one knows. All that said, I personally keep the majority of my portfolio in VTI (similar to VOO but holds the total stock market) and then hold a percentage in VOOG as a means of overweighting tech. I also own a small number of individual tech companies as a further means of overweighting companies I specifically believe will outperform. I do not believe these overweightings in my portfolio will make sense over the long-long term i.e. I do not view VOOG as a viable "hold for life" ETF like I do VOO or VTI. I wish I had isolated these holdings in my tax advantaged accounts as now I find myself with very high capital gains in my taxable which vastly complicates figuring out how to take profits and pull back on this.
>I’m comfortable riding out market ups and downs. no disrespect but at your age you've never experienced a major market collapse that needs 5+ years to recover. your idea of 'ups and downs' is limited. >I like the idea of focusing more on growth 'growth stock' means that the companies have revenue or profits growing faster than peers. It does not always mean 'the stock price goes up faster that other stocks'. >With VOOG being more tech-heavy, does the current AI money being concentrated in a handful of companies make it more unstable looking forward? potentially. also VOOG is more 'expensive' when measured by price-to-sales or price-to-earnings ratios, which tends to indicate relatively poor returns in the next ~10 years.
It doesn’t really matter. Just accumulate with the new one if you want. Just don’t get in the habit of selling out of one to get into another. Get into the habit of only selling when you have an urgent expense to pay for. You want to switch to VOOG, great. You an to switch to QQQM, great. Just don’t sell the previous. Set to a weekly auto buy to take advantage of volatility. The more important thing is to have a weekly auto and work to increase that auto. Then don’t panic sell. That’s it. That’s all personal finance is. Spend less, invest more auto, don’t panic sell. Sounds like you’re doing great! Best of luck!!
VOO is an SP500 Index ETF with some stocks that pay dividends. VOOG is the same with more stocks that are focused on growth than on dividends. It’s not much difference since both have the same top ten holdings. You don’t need to worry about the AI holdings or it being tech heavy. The companies in the fund meet strict performance criteria or wouldn’t be in there. They have deep pockets, large cash balances, and strong fundamentals. VOOG is a big fund with 2 trillion in assets. You’re 29 so you need growth. So VOOG is perfect. The return is just a little better. I have IVW which is the same as VOOG but it has $66 billion in assets. I just like it due to its smaller size. Easier for the portfolio manager to manage cuz it’s not so big. The holdings are very similar to VOOG. I had it for over 10 years. The company is called iShares. IVV and IVW is like VOO and VOOG.
Hey, sounds like you’re in a solid position overall — great income, a stable job, and you’re investing early with a long-term mindset. That’s already a huge win 👏 As for VOO vs VOOG — here’s how I’d think about it: **VOO** is the full S&P 500, so you’re getting a broad mix of everything — growth, value, tech, industrials, financials, etc. It’s kind of the "set it and forget it" option, and historically it’s been super reliable. Super low fees too. **VOOG** zooms in on the growth side of the S&P 500 — so more exposure to big tech and companies expected to grow faster. It’ll likely outperform in bull markets when growth is hot (like during the 2020 rally), but it can also underperform or get hit harder when growth stocks fall out of favor. Since you’ve got **time on your side**, VOOG could make sense if you're comfortable with more volatility and believe in long-term tech/growth trends (especially with AI, cloud, etc.). But yeah — it’s definitely a bit more concentrated, and you’ll feel the swings more. **On the AI front** — you’re right that a lot of the gains right now are concentrated in a few mega-cap names (Nvidia, MSFT, etc.). That can be a double-edged sword: great when those stocks are ripping, but painful if they pull back hard. **Tax-wise**, in tax-advantaged accounts (like Roth or TSP), there’s not a big difference — you don’t pay capital gains or dividends taxes there. In a **taxable brokerage**, they’re both ETFs so they’re generally tax-efficient, but VOOG might kick out slightly higher capital gains/dividends depending on rebalancing, since it’s more concentrated. Nothing crazy, though. **Mixing both?** Totally reasonable. Some people go like 70/30 VOO/VOOG, or the other way around, depending on their growth conviction. Or you could just pick one and stick to it — honestly, **the most important part is staying consistent over time.** Hope that helps — curious to hear what you end up going with!
I’d recommend VUG which is essentially an S&P500 growth ETF, higher weighting on top holdings. I know that some people don’t want their portfolio to be super concentrated but it still tracks the S&P, so there’s more upside and more downside but long run I think it’s better than regular VOO. You could also do VOOG, or MGK, but these are very similar to VUG. You can also invest in a specific sector within the S&P500 such as XLK or XLY.
I use VOOG, VONG and QQQ, VOO for diversification.
Just stick with growth ETFs. VGT is a good one. Also QQQM, VOOG, VUG, IETC, ect. There's really no need for individual stocks when you have so many tech/growth funds to pick from.
i maxed out ROTH ira last year but haven’t allocated it yet I’ll probably just do all VOOG or like QQQ n shit is it better to wait to make my contribution for this year now or later
just max out VOOG in your roth ira and you can have lambo
Holding my calls in GOOG 9/26 & 12/26, META 12/26and AMZN 1/27. Holding mostly cash anc periodically adding to VOO, VOOG and KWEB.
And VOOG has out performed VTI. And VTIAX has outperformed VOOG. And VXUS has outperformed VTIAX.
VOOG has been my ETF of choice for regular buying in 2024/2025.
And VOOG has outperformed VOO
I buy VOOG and IXUS in my taxable and VTSAX in my ROTH.
If you’re young buy an SP500 ETF with a little more growth - IVW or VOOG.
VOO is the best pure S&P 500 index ETF. If you want to focus on S&P 500 growth stocks, look at VOOG.
Hey man. I’m in the same boat as a 25 year old investor. Right now in my Roth I have about 70% VOO, and 30% NVDA. Planning on getting it to where it’s about 60% growth fund (QQQ/VUG/VOOG, etc), 30% VOO, 10% NVDA. Will lean more into VOO as I get older though
Sold all VOOG assets and invested into 12% bonds. Buy VOOG, you're welcome
Why not VOO or VOOG?
Work on getting you income up, go back to school, learn new skills, get certifications whatever you need to climb the ladder and get better jobs. Thats going to be the quickest way to rebuild yoir saving, delete your options account and reddit all of that will trigger the itch to gamble again. Once you have rebuilt your savings invest in safe index funds like VOOG
“Value” “growth” “momentum” etc. keywords for ETFs are mostly marketing. You are not going to harvest more growth by choosing these funds, especially passively. The only one of these that has somewhat of a standing is value but you are not going to get that from a passive index, i can assure you. Its just marketing. I’d get rid of VOOG, VBR, XLV (don’t see the point in having 5% of this as VOO is already like 10% healthcare) Personally I would get rid of all crypto, has 0 inherent value. But i am also aware this is a touchy subject. 10% is still too much to put into a single purely speculative asset regardless of my personal beliefs on it. I usually allocate around 10% total towards speculative, and of that, no single speculative stock can take up more than 5%. I’m surprised you dont hold any GOOGL or MSFT, and a heavy weighting into nuclear. Little odd but now im just nitpicking. You need to be past conviction to be fully settled. No worries though, these things take time until you reach that. At that point, you’ll most likely no longer be on reddit or at least no longer posting about your positions. Conviction in a portfolio usually doesn't ask what strangers think about it. I know thats harsh but its the reality
Okay great so overall, I should simplify my etf picks. What do you think about just VOOG VXUS and VBR. Next I should trim down my picks, maybe just Netflix AMZN and NVDA. Take out oklo and just do URA and NXE? Is this better?
VOO or VOOG. Vanguard. Something like that. Depends on your age and goals too though. Yolo into penny stocks w guided research
Thank you for all your advice, I’m 19 so I’m still learning about everything. This clears things up and makes sense. I appreciate it. So my takeaway is reducing a bit from VOOG and reallocating it to the other ETFs, being disciplined and staying firm to this structure even if there is bad months or even a bad year, especially when it comes to BTC and keeping only a few individual picks.
Check my profile ⸻ URA at 5 percent makes sense if you are treating it as a thematic satellite and are fine with volatility. It is still a concentrated bet, just diversified within the nuclear space, so I would only do it if you plan to hold through cycles and not touch it for years. Reducing VOOG slightly to spread into other ETFs is reasonable. VOOG already overlaps heavily with mega cap growth, so trimming a bit to reduce redundancy is logical as long as growth is still the core of the portfolio. For individual picks, fewer is usually better. High conviction, long time horizon, clear reason for owning each one. If you cannot explain why you would hold it through a 40 percent drawdown, it probably does not belong. On crypto, discipline matters more than allocation. If you truly treat it as long term and size it so you can sleep at night, that is the right mindset. Big picture, your edit is the most important part. Set the structure, stop tweaking, add consistently, rebalance yearly. That alone puts you ahead of most people.
Thank you 🙏. So I have a few questions then, I am thinking about putting URA at 5 percent and that will replace my speculative portion, so I will cover much more ground in the nuclear area do you think this is a good idea. Next I was thinking about reducing VOOG by 5 percent and adding it to my other ETFs which will make my individual picks less redundant do you think that’s a good idea? And also what would be your suggestions on making my individual picks better. And when it comes to Crypto I have good discipline I never panic sell I just wait and trust in the process. I appreciate all of your feedback.
Overall this is way more thought out than most portfolios posted here. You’ve clearly tried to cover growth, value, international, and some conviction bets, which is good. The main weakness for me is concentration. VOOG plus AMZN plus NVDA plus NFLX is still very growth heavy and very US tech tilted, even if some of it is intentional. Nothing wrong with conviction, but with 50k that’s a lot riding on one style continuing to outperform. VXUS at 10% feels light if your goal is real diversification. Either accept you’re basically making a US growth bet or bump international a bit so it actually matters during different cycles. The individual picks make sense but I’d question whether you need all of them at those sizes. If VOOG is your core, the single stocks should either be higher conviction or fewer names. Right now it’s a bit of a middle ground. BTC at 10% is reasonable if you truly believe in it long term and can sit through drawdowns without touching it. Just be honest with yourself on that. Speculative nuclear at 5% is fine, just treat it as money you’re mentally prepared to lose and don’t average down emotionally. Nothing here is “messing up”, it’s more about clarity. Either lean into being a growth heavy conviction portfolio and own that risk, or rebalance a bit more defensively. The worst mistake would be constantly tweaking it every few months based on comments. If you stick to this for years and keep adding consistently, you’ll probably do better than most people second guessing themselves.
Call fidelity wealth management and let them manage your investments. Or buy VOOG
Much like the others I went crazy in April, got google calls and also started a VOOG position. I kept rolling them and I think I turned $8k into $30k. I’m sitting on google and meta leaps, prob up 20% combined so far. I have a big emergency fund and play around with a little cash on options so I’m very conservative lol plus I have a mortgage so I’m not trying to yolo into anything. I like options bc I’m in and out with high reward potential, I will prob do that still next year. I’m a little hesitant to get any big positions right now, I only buy an amount I’m willing to completely lose.
He will likely have to rely on social security sadly. At least he has CDs there are people out there relying on almost nothing, I would take those CDs cash them in and buy into VOO or VOOG in brokerage.
Hi, Long time investor here, I can tell you that even if you research the SHI\* out of a stock , things can go to shit , markets turn , somebody puts a 200% tariff on a part needed for assembly . I agree with the gentleman that pointed out "Your exposure to speculative names is too high" I would have to agree. I don't do airlines either or cruise lines or Banks I try to have a base first , like some etf's of the S&P 500 , VOO, VOOG, etc. I have a good foundation of these , and have my little 5% or 10% speculation money, recently picked up SMCI , already has a 25% return. And for real speculation , IONQ , and SMR , A couple of other more targeted ETF's are MGK , basically the MGK, the [Vanguard Mega Cap Growth ETF](https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/etfs/profile/mgk), holds **66 stocks** as of September 30, 2025. Its holdings are concentrated in U.S. megacap growth stocks, with a significant portion in the technology sector, and its top holdings include NVIDIA, Apple, and Microsoft. Or you can do more tech XLK is good for that .... Or the ETF MAGS the magnificent 7 , only those 7 stocks ... QQQ for tech as well , or if you are going to hold for a long time QQQM , lower fee's I also have individual stocks like Amazon, GOOGLE, APPLE, By using targeted ETF's I have been able to beat the S&P500 for the last 7 years or so.... So far this year , I have had returns of 38.27% YTD (mostly stocks) and another account (mostly ETF's) 15.76% YTD . Another one that's 16.51% YTD . The S&P500 as of today YTD 15.29 % Good Luck and Have a good day (:
Are you saying I should sell VOOG or just add VXUS,
**> I am not in options (yet) I just own shares.** Don't get into options. They're an incredibly complex instrument that 99/100 people lose money with. Something like 92% of active investors underperform a buy & hold strategy. People trading options underperform even worse. **> I am mid 20s I have been working since I was 13.** So you're young, can hold thru volatility. Do that. **> This year lost most of my life savings due to a cross country move and the gd grocery prices rising every hour.** If $20 loss is stressing you out, you shouldn't be investing. Buy and walk away for 10+ years is how you should treat it if new. **> This community is already 10x better than the other I have looked in. No one has called me a slur yet.** I assume you were on wallstreetbets or another sub. Those ones are for gambling, not investing. Majority of people there (and here to be honest) lose money. The raw numbers show **> I am holding shares in VTI, VOOG, QQQ, and had money ready to go into an energy sector specific EFT then a Dow eft.** Just buy and hold these. You're trying to time that market.
No you are smart to do that. I live in volatility but know what I'm doing. If you want safe bets, VTI & VOOG are great for you
I did that with VTI and VOOG, I avoided spy because of how heavy it is in ai. Should I reevaluate?
I am holding VTI, VOOG, and QQQ. I was looking for an energy specific etf before the uncertainty came after the shutdown lifted.
VTI VOOG QQQ and was looking for an energy specific etf
I use Fisher. Returns for my Fisher account versus VOOG. 2022 -18,1% -18.15 VOO 2023 30.6 26.33 VOO 2024 18.3 24.94 VOO 2025 18.04 16.06 VOO as of 11-13-25 Totals 48.84 % 49.18% This includes my between 1.25 to 1.10% fee to Fisher. Very close.
When you stop playing with options and put it all in VOOG
I would put 50% in a high yield savings account so its totally safe from market conditions and maybe 100K into gold or crypto and the remaining 100K into ETFs(exchange traded funds) like UEC, NLR, UUUU OR VOOG. There may be a market crash coming though its been on a crazy bull run since March so be careful
Correction\*: you gambled for 4 years. If you want o start investing keep it boring. Whatever you choose for your equity %, the following: Aggressive investing: DCA into VOO 75% and 25% into VOOG. Average: DCA: 10% VXUS 15% VOOG 50% VOO 25% VTI Defense: DCA 10% VXUS 15% VOOG 50% VTI 25% VOO Or some variation of your own you're comfortable with. IT SHOULD BE BOOOORING
What is this money? Savings you might need on a whim? Personally, SGOV. It could be state tax advantaged, is "safe", and is fairly stable. Money specifically for long term investment? VOO. Or some mix of VOO and VUG or VOOG. As things are I'd DCA just in case of instability.
I own Nvidia for 7 years, not a single share sold. I opened a position on Google 6 months ago and will continue to DCA directly on them. However, a larger percentage of my current DCA is going towards Nvidia indirectly via VOOG where it makes up 14% of the index. Google is in there too.
Pretty good. But I would put some in VOOG, MAGS, SOFI, CHYM, and leftover cash in TLT/SGOV.
The MAG 7 is a starting point for maximizing long term growth, but you need to buy carefully. NVIDIA is a must own, buy all the dips. VOOG and VONG are good growth ETFs. IVES is the Wedbush Dan Ives AI Revolution ETF. Good luck.
I'm just a little mouse buying VOOG and SMH sense 2012 not one night of lost sleep.
I don’t do it every day, so not in the hundreds of millions. This all happens in my Roth IRA, so it’s fine. Once I buy back in, I have to let those funds settle before I can sell again…And it’s really only maybe twice a month I do this. And if VOOG is down, I just don’t do anything and check back in a couple of weeks.
What? There’s a tax vehicle that allows that?I don’t know if I want to show my accountant a tax sheet with 100+ million dollars worth of trade movement because I day-traded full port with VOOG to scalp profits. Also, that day trading strategy with your own capital works until it doesn’t. Idk if the Roth IRA allows that. Hopefully someone smarter can respond, but I haven’t seen this.
I guess I am technically. I’m just selling my entire position in VOOG and immediately re-buying my original investment (dollar-wise) within five minutes. And then rolling the profits ($10-15k) into Berkshire each time I do this. I like to play the market some. Especially in the tax sanctuary of my IRA. And I normally cap my stocking picking money to 10% of the account. Berkshire is just my super vanilla play right now w/ the profit shaving from the entire account. My TSP is my set it and forget account. I don’t think I’ve logged into it this year yet.
I’ve been cashing out and rebuying at my original base on VOOG every 2-3% gain in my IRA. And using each cash out to build my Berkshire position as hedge for when I think what i see in real life daily to reflect in the market. I don’t know if that’s the best strategy, but my confidence in the market and this economy wants me to convert a large portion of my portfolio to cash. Doing this profit shaving and piling into Berkshire has helped that urge.
Can't predict. Just keep buying some Nvidia for the foreseeable future. I have my large stake, and I keep buying VOOG which is 14.58% Nvidia.
We are close to same age. I believe we should still be agrees e in growth. I would do 50% or so in VOOG or schg. I choose schg personally. Do something international. Precious metals and I know people trash it but throw a little into bitcoin. Young enough to ride a bear market or 2.
generally I see and agree with people who say lump sum, however I would possibly wait until next week for VOO or VOOG. Big tech earnings are tommorow and Thursday, so there might be some immediate downside but it would be 4-5% at the most imo. Could also go up, just depends on if you want to try to time the market over a small percentage move
VOO is 40% mag 7, individual stocks of mag 7 may end up with individual risk, index is better you can use VOOG, which is growth, very similar to mag 7
Why not just go with a growth ETF? VOOG, or even a Mag7 ETF if you want more focus.
Try VOOG for large cap growth stock in S&P 500. It is more MAG7 concentrated than VOO.
in my aggressive growth portfolio, the largest positions are AMPX, PSIX, CLS and NUGT (all holdings started as equal positions when I opened them, these outgrew all the others). In my 401k the largest is VOOG. What I’m watching: NUAI, MP, UAMY
Why not start putting it in and Index fund for the long haul? VOOG would be a good place.
VOO is the foundation. I like VOOG and VONG for growth.
Stop watching. You are looking at robots making 1000s of trades a second thinking there’s a pattern. There isn’t one. Put money in VOOG and go watch a movie instead.
As someone who has just started investing for the first time literally over the weekend after seeing the crash, I've put buy orders in for Nvidia, VOOG and bitcoin. Just curious what the views of you more experienced investors feel towards this. I know very little but assumed this would be a good time to test the waters as the buy in price is at the lowest its been these past weeks due to the crash. Obviously we can assume an increase in bitcoin to return to 200k+ but more looking for thoughts on Voo/Voog for first time S&P investing for longterm compound growth.
Well you would probably have to sell VOOG. Then you are protected if you hold cash.
>Do you agree that a widely diversified ETF is appropriate for OP, even if it's SPY or VOO vs. SPYG and VOOG? Yep! Really even when we're getting into these divisions they're fine. >For me, I actually use my non-taxable accounts for more active trading and speculative , which (when I do it right) generates short-term capital gains taxable at ordinary income rates, plus interest-generating investments like cash or bonds--also ordinary income. So that leaves the dividend generators and funds that have year-end cap-gains distributions, in the taxable accounts. Ah yeah, then that makes sense. There's a good table on https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Tax-efficient_fund_placement that lists order of tax efficiency, and you're doing that sort of optimization but just working on some things not everyone does. >And BTW, I notice that your first point (in favor of value stocks) seems a bit at odds with the argument about dividends: don't the generally higher dividend payouts of "value" stocks create a tax drag? So: yes. The argument is a theoretical one and assumes no taxes. In a taxable account it's a bit hard to figure out which one will come out ahead (and it's always a guess anyways because we don't know how the future will go). I largely just go with a broad spectrum approach of buying everything and not worrying about it (that is, not optimizing for dividends but not avoiding them). I do have some brk/b as well though, as an example of a weird stock that is very value-oriented but also no dividends.
Investing is a patient steady habit of saving and investing on a regular schedule. At 16, I would start with VOOG which is Vanguard’s ETF of large cap growth stocks. If you want some crypto, buy a little bit of Blackrock’s Bitcoin ETF IBIT. The key is investing on a schedule, do not panic on market declines, do not make short term trades and let your winners run. Good luck.
All the big index funds have heavy overlap. VOOG is more heavily concentrated in the top 10 large cap growth stocks. VONG mixes in some mid cap growth. Both are more growth oriented than VOO or FXAIX.
VOOG or VONG are ETFs of high growth stocks.
Interesting comment. The cited value vs growth chart is confusing to me, starting with the definition of value stocks. But always good to see different analyses. Do you agree that a widely diversified ETF is appropriate for OP, even if it's SPY or VOO vs. SPYG and VOOG? You have a point on dividends given what I said. But let me add some additional context. First, since we're limited as to how much of our assets can be in tax-free or tax-deferred accounts, the question is: what's the best use of those accounts. For me, I actually use my non-taxable accounts for more active trading and speculative , which (when I do it right) generates short-term capital gains taxable at ordinary income rates, plus interest-generating investments like cash or bonds--also ordinary income. So that leaves the dividend generators and funds that have year-end cap-gains distributions, in the taxable accounts. And BTW, I notice that your first point (in favor of value stocks) seems a bit at odds with the argument about dividends: don't the generally higher dividend payouts of "value" stocks create a tax drag?
Don't know your situation but here are a couple of general observations: For people like you with long investment time-lines and not much investing experience, an ETF with mostly growth stocks probably makes sense. Growth stocks (vs dividend/income stocks, or bonds) are considered more volatile but with a long time-line you don't care that much about short-term ups and downs, and the returns from stocks in the long term is generally expected to be higher. I believe the biggest ETFs focused on US growth stocks are SPYG and VOOG, but I'm sure Fidelity has something similar. Dividends are "tax-advantaged" compared with income from capital gains or interest. So I tend to buy dividend-paying stocks (or dividend-oriented ETFs) in my taxable account (not in a Roth or conventional IRA.) Good luck!
You can do a lot better with your $100k. Take a look at VUG, VOOG, QQQ, SCHD, and HUT. These will help you get a way better return on your money. At a minimum, look at SPY. It's not rocket science, just math. Look at any of the above mentioned ETF's and they will speak for themselves. Go forth and do well, friend! IG
Not financial advice, 1 - Depends on the maturity and rate of the CD, if you feel like doing an early withdrawal to front load in to equities do it in tranches. 2 - Holding VOO is already great enough as a diversifier, maybe some VXUS, VIOV, VOOG (international, small cap, growth) allocate to your risk profile. 3 - That’s perfectly fine, figure out your target date/age, if you’re able to be slightly more active in allocating/rebalancing set dates/price targets to rebalance into bonds later on 4 - That’s perfectly fine, use the compound interest calculator plug in avg return of voog set a variance and have fun projecting your future
QQQ, FBGRX, IWY, VUG, FDSVX, VOOG, FCNTX, FXAIX, have 10-year total returns of 523% to 299%.
Gotcha. I mean in real life practice, you will likely just contribute to some S&P fund or equivalent, maybe take some swing trades outside of core positions with a very small percentage of your portfolio, start mixing in bonds decades from now, and retire. Doing the "best" in a couple of weeks will require you to accept that it's just a silly game, and take risks that you learn nothing from. Are you able to trade during the duration of the exercise, or do you have to pick now and that's that? Your picks are not "bad." I'd probably look at VOOG as well, and look to reallocate to some inverse funds if the market is not looking good.
VONG or VOOG Choose VONG if you're seeking broader exposure to U.S. growth stocks, including mid-cap companies, and are comfortable with slightly higher volatility for potentially higher returns. Choose VOOG if you prefer a more concentrated investment in large-cap growth stocks, aiming for stability and alignment with the S&P 500's performance. ITA aerospace and maybe add CBR Cibersecurity ETF
How do your annual returns compare to VOOG?