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Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund ETF Shares
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Funds like VT that don't have the typical index problems
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You can do it! You can always recover! VTI & chill + buying dips
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How much of your portfolio do you actually keep in 'satellite' positions?
Any tax implications/forced sale if/when a massive company gets absorbed into VT/VTI?
What % of your portfolio is individual stock vs ETF?
Avoid fast track IPO’s while keeping broad passive strategy?
Still going all-in on S&P 500 with new money, or diversifying more in 2026?
Have another $200K to invest in. Should I put another $100k all in VTI right now?
Is anyone still just dumping new money straight into S&P 500 in 2026?
With the OpenAi and SpaceX Scam Rules, What ETFs can I buy instead of QQQM?
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What’s the reason not to just go QQQM rather than VTI/VOO etc. when looking at long term ETF holds?
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I wonder how much difference this makes in the amount of shares that indexes (and closet index funds) were going to have to buy. It must be pretty significant. Too bad VTI has that 5 day inclusion though.
VOO will follow what the S&P said and not fast track. VTI does not follow the S&P benchmark, it follows a CRSP benchmark (Morningstar).
VTI is pretty much all US stocks though so it wouldn't be surprising to see it included.
VTSAX is the same thing as VTI, just a different share class. It's total market so it will be including it, as a total market fund should. It weights by free float so that's only $75b, it won't be a large chunk of the index.
I am actually just switching future purchases away from QQQ and VTI Sp500 (VOO and IVV and DFUS) they are all supposed to not buy SpaceX until approx 12 months after ipo. We will see - news media and social media have both gone back and forth on if sp500 will or won't buy it before the 12 month rule - but that still keeps going back and forth as of today.
Does that mean VTSAX (the Admiral Shares mutual fund equivalent of VTI) will get it too?
nah, VTI is a US bet, VT is a world-diversified portfolio, pure market return capture without any specific bets
Depends what they track, VTI tracks CRSP which will have SpaceX after 5 days, VOO tracks S&P which won't have it immediately.
Correction: *Some* Vanguard funds. #1 ETF VOO is S&P 500 and some others are Russell. But VT, VTI, and VUG are absolutely CRSP. VTV is too, but there's no way SpaceX is a "value" company. VXF isn't CRSP, but almost by definition includes stocks excluded by S&P 500; for years, Tesla was its largest component. The idea because using CRSP was to wiggle out of the fees S&P wanted Vanguard (and thus shareholders) to pay. But this is a side effect of that.
VTI tracks the CRSP US Total Market Index, not any Russell index. Space X will still probably be included in the CRSP after 5 days though
But they at least are doing it by float. That actually means the impact on VTI will be fairly small despite the high validation because companies like SpaceX are only going public with 5% of their total shares.
VTI has always been 5 days, though. Its goal is to hold the entire market, so it would be wrong of them to make special rules to exclude space x and friends, just like other indexes shouldn't create special rules to include them.
Is there any news about VOO/VTI?
It’s scaled to the available float so ScamX will be about 0.3% of VTI.
VTI is whole US market ETF, SpaceX is in US market. So it should be included as intended
Good luck!! I’m up 21% ytd and no sectors interest me right now so I’ll concede the equity risk premium to bonds and a small amount of VTI until an 8-10% retracement of the broad market. I won’t chase anything. Abundance mindset.
I moved out of VOO (s&p500) over to VTI (us total index) but maybe it’s time to consider VT (world total index)…
SpaceX wouldn't hit VTI as hard as you think regardless of whether it's worth $1.75T. Both indexes are float-adjusted, not full market cap. SpaceX is overwhelmingly insider held (Musk plus early VC not to mention the dozen plus share classes), so only the publicly tradeable float gets weighted, not the headline number (CRSP p. 12). It also needs at least 12.5% float just to be added (CRSP p. 10-11). So a $1.75T company with a small float is a much smaller index weight than $1.75T implies. And nothing gets added at full size on day one anyway. CRSP has a seasoning rule (\~20 trading days before ranking) and an IPO lockup rule where locked shares stay out of the float until the lockup expires, using conservative registration statement estimates for the first 180 days (CRSP p. 10-13). The initial weight is built off that and not the full cap. Like I said, VTI tracks CRSP Total Market which has no cap on constituents and just adds names by float cap, spreading the impact across the whole market (CRSP p. 14). VOO and SPY track the S&P 500, a fixed 500 count, committee picked index with extra screens like positive GAAP earnings (S&P p. 8, 12) so a new entrant there actually displaces someone unlike VTI A partial float of even a $1.75T company lands as a single digit percent name at most, not the drastic shift you're picturing for VTI. [https://www.crsp.org/wp-content/uploads/guides/CRSP\_Market\_Indexes\_Methodology\_Guide.pdf](https://www.crsp.org/wp-content/uploads/guides/CRSP_Market_Indexes_Methodology_Guide.pdf) [https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/documents/methodologies/methodology-sp-us-indices.pdf](https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/documents/methodologies/methodology-sp-us-indices.pdf)
VTI is whole market ETF and SpaceX is supposed to be on it. I don't know why people complain about it.
Fuuuuck… how do I move my VTI into VOO :/
They use different benchmarks. VTI follows the CRSP US Total Market Index. VTI has a different methodology, the weight % wouldn’t have been as drastic anyways.
Does VOO not have SpaceX in its portfolio? I thought the big funds like VT, VTI, and VOO all had the Mags in them?
How does this work for VTI?
Negative. Do some research pal. For example VTI, which tracks the CRSP US Total Market Index has long had a fast-track IPO inclusion of 5 days
looks like I am no longer investing into VTI and will DCA into VOO instead.
VTI and VT are always 5 days though. They aim to index the whole market, they're working as intended.
Put the rest in VTI and go touch some grass I guess
So is it only QQQ that will have to take SpaceX? What about VT and VTI?
CRSP: Relaxed float requirements while keeping existing 5-day timeline Russell: Changed the entire timeline from quarterly to 5 days + relaxed float requirements This means VTI will buy SpaceX within ~5 trading days of its IPO if it meets the relaxed investability screens. https://www.schwab.com/learn/story/some-indexes-accelerate-entry-massive-ipos
so that settles the debate between VOO or VTI over at /r bogleheads then
So us VTI investors (and the QQQers) will get in early, and the price will spike when VOO has to buy later? Great.
Retirement accounts commonly use target date funds which typically invest in total stock market ETFs like VTI or equivalent. So yes, you’re exposed to all companies, good and bad. But any individual company, even SpaceX, is an immaterial part of these total stock market ETFs.
VTI has always been 5 days . No changes there
Great to hear they aren't changing S&P 500. It looks like they are allowing an exception for their total market indices, which may affect ITOT (Blackrock's VTI equivalent). But it's all staying float adjusted so I am not bothered at all and certainly wouldn't take a tax hit to avoid it.
I tax loss harvested a large holding of VTI into SPTM (which is S&P1500, not total market) in 2022 and wondered whether I would end up regretting or appreciating it one day. Guess I now have my answer.
Deeply disappointed VT and VTI will be 5 days. I know it’s Russell that decides.
If you hold QQQ, VTI, or VT, then yes, it is likely to be included a week or two after IPO. You are correct about that. But, again, it will be a tiny amount, and most 401k accounts can avoid it altogether if the person chooses to. It isn’t forced. I’m not for this any more than you are.
S&P hasn’t locked in reducing the seasoning period from 1yr to 6 months yet. QQQ and VTI will get it immediately.
It will be in other products than just QQQ. VT and VTI at a minimum, likely SPY not long after IPO
VTI 50%, VXUS 45%, and BND 5%, then delete the app and never think about this wretched market for at least the next two decades
You're correct that VTI's 5 day inclusion schedule has never been an issue. The issue is that the CRSP index, which VTI tracks, is changing its rules for the benefit of SpaceX etc. Normally, CRSP would have a longer inclusion period of 1 year I believe, which would give an IPO plenty of time to crash from its inflated price. By the time an index fund like VTI would buy it, the price is no longer inflated.
These rules have been in place since 2013 for VTI and probably longer for CRSP. It’s not been changed for SpaceX.
I drive by a data center construction site everyday that looks like a scene out of the Matrix before Keanu Reeves was rescued from his energy pod so I do get the peoples hate for having data centers in their backyard. But I fear that will just mean more data centers are built overseas in 3rd world countries who want to take the hyperscalers AI Cap ex money. This is yet another reason to buy $VXUS over $VTI. Buy the stocks taking the AI cap ex cash not the stocks spending the AI cap ex cash.
u sound like a boomer acting like VTI is some 3x leveraged ETF.
VTI and chill. I'm excited to own part of spacex. I already have significant portion in TSLA.
I invest in VTI - which has always had a policy of incorporating new companies within 5 days of an IPO. I’ve seen no one ever complain about that. The concern about the s&p 500 index seems to stem from people’s personal opinions on SpaceX/Anthropic/OpenAI, instead of true principles - again because there’s been no one concerned about how total stock market indexes like VTI have always handled companies going public.
Your 97% loss could’ve been my retirement money invested in VTI for 30 years
So VTI and VXUS are for losers apparently since you get dividends from holding them
Yeah, people keep forgetting that ETFs like VOO and VTI are float weighted. SpaceX will have ~75B in float (assuming the current price holds) so it'll make up a tiny % of the ETF - somewhere ~.1%. For comparison that's about as much cash as VOO typically has on hand or what % DoorDash makes up.
> On the one hand, even if they are atrocious it probably can't by itself tank an index. Given that the S&P 500 and funds like VTI are float weighted, SpaceX could go to zero after it's included and it would barely be a blip. The bigger concern for the indexes is that TSLA somehow catches strays from all the SpaceX hate - that would move the index.
It is an overreaction for a lotta folks. If you’re heavily invested in NASDAQ or FTSE, etc, then yeah, big hurts. But if you’re in VTI, VT, SPY, etc, you’ll be fine. It’s such a small float. Making only 3-5% available. For every $100k you have in SPY, only $80-$120 will be in SpaceX. People just need to sit and do the math. And then adjust their investments.
Just DCA that $4.27 into something safe like VTI. You'll be whole again in a few thousand years or so.
And this is what VTI holds.
Historic pump and dump just in time for july 4th 250th anniversary. By june 29th there will be buying pressure from trillions of market cap of index funds, including VT, VTI and QQQ
Not a financial expert in anyway. But, it depends on your preferred markets? I’m diversified but not wildly: - Tech: MSFT, AAPL, AMZ, AMD, MU and RDDT as a more wild yet optimistic pick. - Healthcare: MDLN - Necessity: VTI/VOO (DCA whenever you can)
In theory, sure. In reality? GME isn’t a great growth option. They’ve been on a turnaround path for a while now, with several profitable quarters, but let’s take a look at the stock performance: 1 month: -12.5% 3 months: -7% 1 year: -28% 5 years: -62% I understand the squeeze is impacting the 5 year view, so that’s a bit screwy, but you could’ve invested your money in so many other companies, or hell, keep it safe with VOO or VTI, and you’d have made SO much more money. GameStop is a good company with strong fundamentals, but not a great option if you’re looking for the best path to growth in the stock market.
Isn't VTI float adjusted too? [https://www.reddit.com/r/Bogleheads/comments/1tj8bsj/psa\_mega\_ipos\_are\_nothing\_to\_worry\_about\_as\_an/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bogleheads/comments/1tj8bsj/psa_mega_ipos_are_nothing_to_worry_about_as_an/)
Worth remembering that index composition changes like this are usually neutral to slightly positive for long-term holders. The S&P has changed its methodology many times over the decades, and the index has still compounded at ~10% annually. If SpaceX at a $780B valuation is 1-2% of the S&P and doesn't meet traditional profitability criteria, it adds volatility but probably doesn't change the expected return much. The market will price it efficiently over time as more financial data becomes available post-IPO. If you really want to avoid it, switching to a total US market fund (VTI) or international-heavy portfolio would dilute the impact. But trying to outguess index methodology changes is usually a losing game.
You're in a better spot than you think. That $4k/mo pension covers baseline living expenses, so you actually have more risk capacity than most people your age. Here's what I'd do: 1) Set aside 6 months of MA rent in a HYSA (~$18-24k) as your emergency fund 2) Max the Roth IRA for this year and next ($14k total) — all in VTI or VOO 3) Pay off the truck ($9k) — frees up that payment every month 4) Put the remaining ~$120k in a taxable brokerage, mostly VTI with maybe 20% in VXUS for diversification The pension means you can afford to be aggressive with the stock allocation since you've already got a bond-like income stream. Don't overthink it — lump sum into broad indexes and let time do the work.
This is the best answer. I used to spend so much time trying to decide on the best path. Now I login to verify my recurring deposit and purchase went through on a pay day and I log out. When I have a bit more maybe I'll set some aside to 'have fun with' but the lack of thinking and just committing to VT or VTI/VXUS or equivalents has been freeing.
Just do VTI/VXUS like your Roth. Or just VT which combines both US and International stocks.
You’re good i’ve lost way more lol. the bogleheads were right. VTI or nothing at all WSB is mostly trash, even though i got lucky on ASTS/RKLB - they’re just that - luck. The AI run is unique, most other hyped runs like saas during covid, EVs, weed, crypto, and countless others have run amok Only S&P is king but it’s too boring for most of us since we all apparently have ADHD gambler brain here I needa leave this sub for my financial health
The SP 500 (and most index funds for that matter) are free float adjusted. Meaning space x is selling less than 5% of the company, so it’s treated at the less than 5% of the 1.75 trillion that is reported. It will not make it a top 10 company like it would if the whole company was sold. It will be a more like $50-100 billion company depending on the exact numbers. As they sell more VTI will slowly have more. This doesn't make it completely better but it will be much smaller than if it was the whole thing.
> If Vanguard's VOO is forced to buy billions of dollars of SpaceX to match its massive valuation, but only a tiny sliver of shares actually exists on the open market did you write this with AI? because the immediately prior paragraph is about how everything is float-adjusted VOO and VTI already have defenses against tiny floats
Yeah, because up 83% in five years in VTI is chump change. Lol. "Crap." Hindsight is great, isn't it?
They are coping they missed out on massive gains and held VTI 😂
I like ETFs that cover sectors that I’m bullish on (medium to long term) and can’t pick 1 stock out of it. I’m currently rocking:- SMH - semiconductor etf IVLU - international developed FIDU - industrials VDE - energy / O&G I used to believe in the VT / VTI thing until they became incredibly lopsided, so I moved to more focused ETFs. Energy ETF will remain for a couple years as Iran shithousery will take years to work its way through (rebuilding extraction/processing infrastructure as well as restocking strategic reserves — likely to a higher level than previously), as well as sustained increased demand from data centers.
This 100%. Ok, 99%. I prefer VTI and chill 😉
Since you’re new to the market, I’d also recommend what another commenter said and open a Roth IRA. Every major broker has one from Robinhood to Schwab. You won’t pay taxes on anything unless you withdraw money from it and you can contribute 7.5k/yr. Keep it safe and do a split of SPY/VTI/VOO and maybe ~10% in high growth sectors like Space, AI, and other Tech stocks. Almost everything has an ETF associated with it, but with a small percentage of the account, I’d say pick individual names with that allocation of funds. As you learn more about the market, I feel you can be a bit more aggressive and park money in individual names like META, MRVL, GOOGL, etc. also as you become more interested, I’d say you’d also be safe to invest in names you use everyday or companies you truly believe in. A huge tip I learned early on is “time in the market beats timing the market.” Just stay informed on what you’re investing in, make your contributions, and don’t let red days scare you (those are the best days to buy). Good luck!
I’m 33 years old and currently have about $100k in SGOV. I feel like I may have missed out on market gains over the last few years by keeping too much in cash/T-bill-like holdings in my taxable account. For background: I already max out my 401(k) and Roth IRA. I also have an inherited taxable account that is mostly invested in tech stocks, ETFs, and oil ($150k position in google and $100k in XOM for example). On top of that, I currently DCA about $200 per week into SPY and FTEC. The $100k in SGOV was originally intended to be used as home down payment money. However, buying a home has become difficult to commit to because my job, while stable, changes my location every few months. I’m also helping care for elderly family, which takes up time, and I’m currently still able to live with my parents. Given all of that, I’m considering investing half of the SGOV balance. My current idea is: * Move $50k into VTI * Invest it gradually in $5k weekly increments over 10 weeks * Keep the remaining $50k in SGOV * Continue my regular weekly DCA into SPY and FTEC and or change SPY for VTI after I commit. Does this seem like a reasonable approach given my situation, or am I still being too conservative/aggressive considering this money was originally earmarked for a potential home down payment?
VTI for me but yeah pretty much
The order of operations for investing are: - Emergency saving up to 3 months of your routine expenses. Use a HYSA with 3% interest or higher currently. Alternative option in states with high taxes (California and NY state) are treasury Money market funds or Treasury ETFs (SGOV or VBIL). - Try to max out a Roth IRA if you are working and earn less than $153k in 2026. The max contribution is $7,500 for 2026 according to the IRS. Within in the Roth IRA, invest into ETFs. For ETFs only use SoFI, Fidelity, or Vanguard. With those brokers, you can invest into VTI and VGT. VTI is your core fund that covers the Total USA stock market. Make this 70% of your allocation. VGT is a sector fund covering information technology area. VGT has great returns over the past 10 years, but is limited to a sector. 30% allocation is fine. - Anything extra, put it into a taxable brokerage account. Buy the same ETFs. This is also the type of account to buy Treasury ETFs like SGOV or VBIL.
VOO tracks the S&P 500, which has specific inclusion rules like a 12-month seasoning period and four quarters of profitability. Because SpaceX will likely not meet these initially, S&P 500 funds are expected to absorb the stock roughly 6 to 12 months after its public debut. By contrast, total market funds tracking the CRSP US Total Market Index (like VTI) and FTSE indices will likely add the stock within just days of its IPO
Max Roth IRA. Put 100k in VTI. Keep 60k in HYSA for emergencies.
Which is hilarious that people are suddenly trying to exclude a single stock from their VTI exposure. The entire rationale is to not try to be smarter than the market. Yet they are trying to do just that.
VTI is everything and once the float increases we all have to buy this shit.
VTI that fast is actually interesting. Didn’t expect that timeline tbh. VOO taking months feels slow though. lol
Take some of your profits and put them into VTI/VXUS/BND and chill.
Do him a favor and tell him to fuck off and buy VTI.
VTI does buy as soon as 5 days. it is not very discriminating at all. all stocks is all stocks.
on the first day? absolutely nothing. not even VTI buys that fast the thread is full of people who have no idea what is going on. VTI is float-adjusted. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bogleheads/comments/1tj6vzf/vti_and_spacex/ we are talking about 0.1% here. if you are in VOO it will take 6 months for it to show up
QQQ will be over 1%, but others much less, because most others are float-adjusted VTI will happen as soon as 5 days, VOO will take at least 6 months.
VTI has been 5 days for a while
Manipulative? They are ETFs, its not like anyone gains by more people investing in them. Who is gaining from suggesting those funds? The manipulation is jamming three IPOs straight into indexes that will all three be among the top 15 publicly-traded companies in the world. DFA has 30-year history of tracking but slightly beating VTI. Avantis is a newer firm founded by DFAs former partners. It's not like I'm over here telling people to invest in shitcoins.
No, I think telling investor to ignore proven passive investing plays such as VT, VTI, and VOO just to avoid spaceX is manipulative. I’m not touching SpaceX directly, but I’m also not selling VOO to avoid it.
I agree, but "... VTI ... reinvest the dividends" is pretty good advice. But I'd add some ex-US exposure.
NVDA spanked me good today. Down 30k. Ima quit and put everything into VTI f this
With 4M and only needing 3k a month, her annual draw is under 1%. She has no risk of running out of money, so she does not need to take on commodity risk with PDBC or Nasdaq tech tilts. If she wants that 100k separate from the Edward Jones fees, just put it in VTI or VOO. Since she already has cash at Bank of America, she can open a Merrill Edge account for that 100k, buy VTI/VOO, and instantly qualify for Platinum Honors to get their credit card bonuses and banking perks.
Hookers and blow it is then! HYSA = high yield savings account. Not sure where they’re at now but can maybe get 4% interest so you’re keeping up with inflation. Index funds are just like investing in stocks but you buy one fund and it can have hundreds of different stocks. The thought is that it’s less risky and the market in general goes up over time so you basically just invest in the entire market rather than trying to pick winners and losers. A typical approach might be 70% VTI (US total market) and 30% VXUS (Intl market). A lot of people suggest increasing international contributions beyond 30% because the cycle is shifting and greater returns are anticipated in international stocks than US stocks in the coming years.
I bought more Berkshire Hathaway B yesterday. It's a newer position for me that I've been buying under $470. I tend to think the stock is working off the Warren B premium and it is a much better buy for a US equity position in my port than $VTI, $SPY, and $QQQ.
VTI or VXUS. I personally prefer VXUS.
Well, you may not have a choice. Vtsax, VTI are all including space x and anthropic into the index after 5 days of going public. It's a fucking scam, they changed the rules so that they'd only have to show profitability over 4 qharters or float more than 0.5% of shares and as a bonus, they are allowing insiders to sell their shares immediately. Check your investments, may need to make some changes if you don't have to end up getting the rug pulled form under you as well. They are trying to have retail investors deal with the "devaluation" of their stock which usually happens within the first year.
For that reason, VOO is a slightly safer option than VTI. VTI tracks the CRSP which announced changes to their inclusion criteria to benefit SpaceX. VOO tracks the S&P500 which has not announced plans to change its inclusion criteria. However there is a proposal to do so. The ramifications would be changing the inclusion timeline from 12 months to 6. Still shitty that they're considering it at all, but it's better than reducing it to only 15 days. DFUS basically is the same as VOO/VTI and it is not changing its inclusion criteria.