MMO

retirementdreams

Hindsight is 20/20, but I'm historically a buy & hold investor. It's more likely I would have bought it and held it, than traded it for short term gains. One Example, I still have many of the investments in the RCE MMO game I was playing at that same time - the place I actually first heard about Bitcoin. I still have the account, I still have most of my investments there. Was Project Entropia at the time, now it's called Entropia Universe, I have played off and on since 2004 and never chipped out my skills.

darevsool

I don't remember HOW I heard about it, but I did hear about it. Back then you could mine it from software installed on your computer, and it was effective. I knew about it early enough where I could have done it. I had certainly left my two computers on during the day AFK'ing in an MMO.... But...for whatever reason, I chose not to also run the bitcoin mining software. Silly me.

HellkerN

It should be mandatory for people to play Eve Online or RuneScape or whatever other MMO before they're allowed to access the rest of the internet.

Bongressman

They are being overwhelmed by new retail. Customers signing up and flooding the system. Thing a new MMO game release, where the servers collapse because the studio didn't get ahead of the wave. We are WAY higher than we should be right now. Media is slurping all of this up and blasting people with updates on Bitcoin price. Retail users are beginning to return. Starting new accounts, lighting up old one. Overhwlemed.

ChieftainBob

MMO gaming could benefit greatly from this. I played an MMO where ultra rare items were being duplicated by exploits and the "business" that rose out of it ruined the game. Also being able to track how currency flows through the game eliminates gold farmers as they would be easy to spot.

ThiccMoves

The theory is that since the game is on a blockchain, all the items, loot, score etc. is permanent and can't be altered. The reality is that you don't need to have a blockchain to give a meaning to virtual game assets, just look at the value of some CSGO skins or some MMO items... So all in all, the idea sounds cool, but in reality it's useless.

systembreaker

Game assets represented as NFTs would give them value. I think of it like the space MMO Eve. The huge time it took to build large ships granted them value. Destroying a Titan was huge news because it took that player like a year to build it. Well immutable game assets that had real value would add that kind of value but more directly and would change how players think of the game. Make it more immersive and real without necessarily needing to spend years of real life time. It would also add a real layer of in-game economy.

Slajso

Oh, I'm not defending the kind of a game it would be, and I think I agree with you on most of it. I think we would get to the point of having "normal" games to play...and then "NFT games" where you could actually make money. They would have to change the way drops work in MMO's then, I think, because I do agree with you. Perhaps when something drops, it drops for everyone, as in no more 2 items per raid from the boss, and stuff like that. "Now", everyone gets something, and some are more lucky. No idea, just thinking out loud, I haven't actually thought about how it would be done. Nor do I care to, if we're being honest :D

Drojan7

Not to mention the whole earned money while you’re playing, the game has at least existed since MMO has like anybody’s free to go subscribe to wow farm gold and sell it. Mostly no one does. A lot of Third World countries show a lot of interest because they have to. it’s not a walk in the park and no matter the game if they give away crypto like water, then the cryptocurrency will be worthless just like the gold worthless if it’s easy to obtain. So you’ll need lots and lots of it. No matter how you look at it if you’re selling progress you earned to other players you’re gonna have a bad time.

AskMeIfImAnOrange

If you're into MMO's, Cornucopias looks like it could be fun. Impossible to judge the economy until it is up and running, however. Plan is to make it so the crypto side is invisible to those who don't understand it / don't care. We'll see.

Peach-555

Assume you are joking, but almost alive today finds having mined BTC in early days to be interesting or noteworthy. It's like lying about having played a very popular long living MMO since day one.

Cryptolution

>we want online connected MMO’s Don't speak for other people. I'm not interested in online gaming and I only play single player games.

Dumb_leb

All trash single player games…we want online connected MMO’s

WarPlanMango

Currently playing Pixels online! Such a fun twist on the classic farming sim game Stardew Valley but in an MMO setting. Best thing about it is it's a web3 so you can definitely earn a bit of money on it or just play for fun and get really rich in the game! One of the best web3 games I've played for sure. Unfortunately no one knows about it that much because they don't do any marketing since daily active users are topping 100k players already, so marketing isn't really needed at the moment. It's free to play as well so anyone can give it a try without really spending anything!

Vladimir-Putin

I played the last playtest for Mirandus, an MMO being developed in-house by Gala Games, and I found it to have the bones of a pretty solid game. Granted, the blockchain elements haven't been included yet, so we'll see how it pans out as they flesh out the rest of the game mechanics, but for an early playtest it was a *very fun* gameplay loop. Almost brutally difficult at times due to the unforgiving nature of the game world. There's another playtest starting in a couple months that I'm looking forward to. I am worried that the monetization stuff will end up ruining the game/scaring people away, but as of the last playtest I went from skeptical to cautiously optimistic.

silvrdragon52

The primary example I imagine is this: In World of Warcraft (not a player myself but have friends who play and I'm familiar with the economy) people level up their accounts, characters, get items, and basically farm the game to then sell these to other players via ebay. It's a roundabout way for players who value the game to simply pay money to enjoy the game the way they want to. With blockchain incorporated, there \*could be\* via the blessings of the developers, an economy where the only difference would be that players could directly buy and sell items from each other in a verifiable way. A tax would benefit the developers. That's the model. To say you don't really own an in-game item because it's function is dictated by the game - is literally the same as saying you don't really own your real life property because it's function is dictated by the law. Or that your economic property is not your because its function is dictated by the central banks (which is closer to the truth, and which is why crypto experiments need to run.) It's also a moot point to talk about how the game can still disappear. Obviously it's not relevant if the game no longer exists; it's relevant while the game exists, which in an MMO could be a decade. Even a house you buy can disappear. And obviously it wouldn't be a working economic model for the developers to sabotage the players' abilities to play their game where an economy can be managed, where there could be achieved some kind of win-win-win situation for the players, the developers, and the people will just try and do farming. The issue is understanding how to incorporate the farmers, and this is why game companies are exploring blockchain. Imo the vast majority of the games that are exploring using blockchain are probably going to fail unless they simply upgrade existing models like I mentioned with WoW. But I can't fathom that meaning that experiments in developing fair economic models for games should stop. If the players don't like it, they won't play it. This problem will solve itself.

Crully

People will pay for anything, whether it's FIFA players, CS knives, or MMO gold. Whether it's OK for people to turn this into a business is entirely dependent on your point of view. Is it OK to buy in game gold in WoW? Plenty of people think it's perfectly fine, Blizzard says no, and gives you a slap on the wrist, and then implement their own mechanic for you to pay for gold with real world money... I don't see it as a problem, if the game is good and enough people play it, then it will have a healthy secondary market. You can grind for that COD rifle, or buy it off someone that already did but doesn't want to use it, so who cares? At least when you're done you can sell off the shit you no longer want and maybe use that to get a head start in something else.

GrenadineGunner

> )have a value and b) have a verifiable history... who has owned, who it has slain, etc Why do these features require a blockcchain? Game items are just an illusion created by 3D models, visual effects and code, they only exist and have value based on what the game software says they do. Neither the game client or server of an MMO runs on a blockchain, so any integration just involves the game systems reading a bit of data off the chain and tgen deciding what to do with it. If they shut down or decide to remove or nerf your items, the blockchain doesn't do anything to protect the items "value". And tracking item history would just be a matter of adding metadata to each instance of an item stored on the game servers. It doesn't have anything to do with blockchain.

Specialist_Olive_863

Embersword. The closest thing I can think of to describe it is if Torchlight became an MMO. They recently had their playtest, and it was honestly pretty fun.

Liqhthouse

Ikr... There are literally MMO games out there with worse drop rates

Vipu2

I know these 2 things cant be compared fully but still: If people have played MMO games from very fresh start when servers have just opened. There is 0 money in the game economy, people can get money only by selling items to npc:s they have found. Then people can trade items between each other. At first week people might trade things with each other and the items cost 100:s and 1000:s. Check again after few weeks and the numbers have gone way up because everyone still kill things for drops that give them more money, the money supply is inflating. Then the game might have farming bots there, who kill things 24/7 like no human can, all that money from the bots gets in the economy too, again prices keep going up and people are paying in millions now for the same items they paid 100 at start of the game. Its fascinating to see all that happen in much faster timeline than in real world. And yes people still defend the same thing ingame that inflation or bots farming tons of money doesnt matter or effect the economy. Like are people blind? How dont they LITERALLY SEE IT when first they pay 100 and few weeks later 100mil?? Its physically impossible to pay 100mil at day2 of the game when there is lets say 100k total money in the economy, how is the inflation not the fault of more money in the system?? I give up and just let people get poor, they deserve it.

EdgeLord19941

At least it's not based on a 20 year old MMO, right?

daddywookie

With the moons contract soon to be burned is there anything to stop any project using moons as a currency. It’s on several exchanges, has a wide distribution to crypto enthusiasts, an existing community space for discussion, basically many things that new projects struggle to achieve. Seems like an easy pickup for, say, an MMO strategy game with a focus on experimental community governance structures with a theme of Lunar exploration and trading?

customtoggle

Crypto is for (the hope of) making money. All the fluff you see about it being revoutionary and the future of finance is just bait on the fishing hook trying to lure people in Go in expecting MMO musical chairs and you can have a bit fun and even make some extra cash, but if you expect anything more you'll be disappointed

customtoggle

It's the MMO version of musical chairs

mogudd55

As someone who does real art partly professionally, it's basically the art market. Steez wars MMO. Show your wealth and your taste in culture. Cool things rise in value but most movement is trends.

mogudd55

NFT scene is about comparing your collection vs. others. It's an expensive art collection MMO. When people "play" it again, then the "market" will become "bull". lol.

Chonk-de-chonk

Check out the game Pixels. It's like a Stardew Valley MMO with a huge number of integrated nfts

Chonk-de-chonk

I'm a huge fan of Apeiron, which has its combat play mode released. Blocklords is in open beta. I play League of Kingdoms the most, but the meta has gotten very restrictive (any continent that wants to be competitive in cvc is basically run like a monarchy with whales at the top). I also play a lot of Pixels, which is basically Stardew Valley MMO with importable nfts. Genopets is a cute little passive game (like fitbit + tamagatchi). And Star Atlas has a browser game out, but I haven't tried it. Those are MOST of the games I'm currently active in, with others that I'm not as big a fan of. And I'm tracking far more, too. I should also mention that, if card games are your thing, there's Splinterlands and Gods Unchained. And Parallel seems to be making good progress.

smileyphase

I’m building web3 games on Loopring. They’re a pleasure to build on, with a good api, and an excellent community. They communicate and work with us, and are extremely responsive to community and developer needs and wants. We’ve had great success, with over 1K active players, and creators making assets are doing top sales on the marketplaces. Zero worry about a rug like OpenSea. They really do allow a lot of decentralization and folks own their assets. Plus, gas is dirt cheap, transactions are fast, and it’s secure, with probably the best crypto wallet for NFTs/gaming. Our MMO game is playable in-wallet now.

ETHBTCVET

You don't diversify in crypto, not even in Ether, just put 1% in Bitcoin and the rest in stocks, bonds, metals like any other civilized human being, many young people here cocky thinking theyre savvy as fuck and become the next Buffet of crypto but in the end they're dilluting their net worth with garbo that never had any chance to have real life use, fucking centralized MMO items have more tangible value than all of the alts there, I know because after 10 years I can still sell some items which cannot be said about many alts from a decade ago.

basedmartyr

I hope it’s a science-based 100% dragon MMO

smileyphase

This. I’ve also got a NFT-based MMO, with 1K active players, 2600+ in game assets, and folks happily playing, buying/trading, etc… for months. Top sales on our L2. People want utility.

ParamedicOk5515

Why not some MMO game that is actually good that uses Bitcoin as the in game currency? That would be a killer app to on board people to owning Bitcoin and using it.

Truffle_Shuffle_85

>play-to-earn This model appears to be pretty outdated. Play and earn is where this specific conversation is heading IMO. I fully understand the negative feedback of play-to-earn, but having the option to earn something cosmetic for visual/social flexing only (nothing that can be used to enhance gameplay) in any MMO-type game is still very interesting.

milehigh89

the metaverse will probably be a popular MMO that converts slowly to VR, it's not just going to be manufactured by a dude with baby bangs.

Orgull0

It was such a stupid idea. MMO games have been around for many decades now, it was just another money grab

quarantinemyasshole

Yeah these comments always crack me up. Most gamers want to game to escape their 9-5 existence, not extend it. However, those that do don't need NFTs for that. Gold selling in MMO's has been around for decades. Those economies work *because* they're not endorsed by the developers. The second a studio adds full pay to play mechanics into a game it sends it into a completely different genre of experience. NFTs in gaming are, like many use-cases for blockchain, a solution in search of a problem. The NFTs only work if they're tethered to the game, and if they're tethered to the game there's no reason for them to exist as NFTs.

Successful_Craft3076

Totally agree. We need fun MMO games which have the ability for P2P transactions or nice in game markets.

Just_Eye8317

Absolutely, it's crazy how many dollars people spent on skins and objects on MMO games.

Ok-Object9335

MMO players beg to differ

CyberPunkMetalHead

ah, a fellow gamer familiar with MMO culture

MericaGuy

I think any crypto game where you have to put noney into it furst will just end up losing you money. As they say the house always wins. For crypto gaming to succeed, it need to not be crypto gaming but a fun game that implements crypto in a non-invasive manner. Like imagine just a normal MMO but the ingame markets they always have is blockchain powered, enabling true ownership trading and decreasing the chances of dupe glitching crashing the in game economy.

AskMeIfImAnOrange

Cornucopias. A F2P MMO game in development on Cardano will have both options. Those using crypto will have the additional functionality the crypto side brings - being able to trade NFT's, etc. Anyone will be able to play for free or use credit cards if by chance they want to buy stuff. They know they need traditional gamers to be a success. Haven't gotten to the stage yet where we can see exactly how it works, but that's the plan.

Scary_Ordinary_4448

Guy in 2009 on MW2 said there was this thing called bitcoin coming out. I remember obsessing about it for a day with crazy fomo then a week later I forgot about it. I have a very faint memory of trying to buy some off libertystandard with a visa gift card lmao. I feel like if you knew it halved and you played MMO'S that was all it took to make it click. Unfortunately I never even looked at the whitepaper. Now I'm poor

randomFrenchDeadbeat

I can see how crypto could be used in MMO, however I cant see how it would be better than the current way MMOs are played. Items in a game/MMO need to be regularly patched to incentive people to play, or maintain balance, or fix unwanted behavior. How are you going to do that with something imutable ? I am also going to ask the same question again and again: what does crypto adds, in terms or gameplay, and for the company that makes the game ? Spare the "this way I can still own the item if the game stops". You dont. The blockchain will be controlled by the company, and there will be important taxes on sales. Which wont matter much since as soon as it becomes a pay2win, which it will become instantly, you most likely wont be able to sell items as every patch is going to introduce power creep. There is no point. The only way games work well with crypto is if they stay away from it.

MindTheMindForMind

MMO with in-game economy could be very hard to create, but i agree with you; a game like this could be incredibly huge.

IlIlllIIllllIIlI

Oh wow, guess I need more coffee. Indeed I’d love to see a good ol MMO with blockchain transactions. But not something made for profits only, with a bigger focus on gameplay

RolandDeschain222

Look this up. Check "Cornucopias Game" MMO with Great graphic, awesome community, built with unreal engine 5, Great vision... https://youtube.com/watch?v=MbH4B9X_Szw&si=2Q-mVBbqHbg9TdKC https://youtube.com/watch?v=E8ftHH8bbxQ&si=6XwAQjqBFJF2IQhi LATEST Sneak peak on mining gameplay: https://youtu.be/Wz15QrOURpo?si=Mho6d-kjQrG4RkYb Check out their YouTube "Cornucopias Game" for more videos. Also Twitter: https://twitter.com/CornucopiasGame?t=z0nhlVqZKPfxd1xXLEXsdg&s=09 Its gonna be on Xbox, Playstation, PC, smart Tv. Gonna be blockchain agnostic.

stormdelta

> Inevitably someone will always, unofficially or officially, bring real world currency into the equation by buying in-game currency with real-world money. Almost _always_ unofficially, and if officially it's either pay-to-win already which people hate, or through carefully controlled one-way channels e.g. WoW sub tokens. While the other problems you point out are also an issue, the even simpler truth is that most players simply don't want real money near actual gameplay. It not only makes the game pay-to-win, it inevitably poisons the game design to try and balance around real money trade. And MMO economies are already hard to balance, adding uncontrolled third-party trade for real money would make it impossible. See also: Diablo 3.

RayesFrost

Still waiting for that one killer game or app that plays like a great game first and foremost. An MMO that allows us to transfer rare in game items as NFTs using blockchain. Maybe one day..

Monster_Chief17

It’s such a shame that the gaming community had such a knee-jerk reaction to NFTs in games. If anything, games like EVE Online have shown us that online games, especially MMO-style ones, will create economies of their own. If a buyer and a seller for a specific item exist, why should we prevent them from completing a trade? Games can only benefit from this and I see very little downside tbh.

RolandDeschain222

Look this up. MMO with Great graphic, awesome community, built with unreal engine 5, Great vision... https://youtube.com/watch?v=MbH4B9X_Szw&si=2Q-mVBbqHbg9TdKC https://youtube.com/watch?v=E8ftHH8bbxQ&si=6XwAQjqBFJF2IQhi Check out their YouTube "Cornucopias Game" for more videos. Also Twitter: https://youtube.com/watch?v=E8ftHH8bbxQ&si=6XwAQjqBFJF2IQhi Its gonna be on Xbox, Playstation, PC, smart Tv.

Dragon_Fisting

There are no upsides to crypto gaming *for the developers*. Anything interesting you can do with a block chain game, you can do conventionally, AND takes away potential revenue from the studios. Tradeable skins? The studio just lost our on fees from running their own marketplace (see: Valve and CSGO skins). Assets that persist in multiple games? It's just Roblox except you can't control the value of Robux. Social game where players buy their own plots of land and build their own stuff? It's just Wurm Online, Roblox, etc. etc. If the game runs on your own crypto, I guess you could make a bit of money on transactions between players in a less obviously greedy way, but most people are still going to see through that. On the other hand, there are massive potential downsides as well. Making a good game takes a long time. It takes 5+ years for a large team of devs to build a decent MMO. Crypto is not nearly stable enough to gamble on the state of the market 5+ years into the future. You could start a project and decide to integrate it onto a block chain, and before you have a playable game out that chain could effectively be dead. So why would any game studio that can make a game worth playing, choose to tie their game to crypto? It's inefficient, risky, and has no developer upside besides marketing to crypto bros.

Z3LS3

This.. the problem is that crypto is a money grab, unless you’re all just here for the tech? Devs and players are all looking to make money. People haven’t figured out how to make that work yet. Typically gaming is just about milking players for cash with DLC. I think it would work great as a concept for bridging items between games, a way to keep some progress or status in an MMO that’s been sunset by transferring game assets to a character in the companies next game. Best crypto game I “played” was coin hunt world, basically it’s Pokémon Go with trivia questions but you have to do all the legwork setting up the points of interest unless you’re in a major city near other players. The founder was paying out in btc and eth from his own stack, because he’s an oldcoiner, but rewards got needed more and more as word got out and it’s not very profitable at all anymore. Think I milked about 750k sats out of it while it lasted.

Crazycrossing

People already do openly sell things whether it's for gold boosts that then get RMT'ed or straight RMT'ed. WoW and other MMOs have multi-million dollar markets that are richly active. The whole competitive and influencer scene (content makers, guide makers etc) is a large part only sustainable because people can earn a livelihood from the extreme amounts of time they dedicate to a game. Instead of fighting against what every MMO and multiplayer game has and has to deal with, game devs should try to harness that positive community and competitive energy into something everyone can enjoy. Digital collectibles whether they happen through NFTs and blockchain or not should exist. There's so many MMOs and other games with achievements I'm proud of that I wish I could have in one digital safe that isn't just exclusive to servers staying up forever or locked inside one game's walled garden. Digital collectibles don't just have to be contained to achievement milestones either, they could be simply memorializations of characters you make. This model and it's potential has long been shown by Valve to work with Dota 2 (signatures, physical event digital collectibles, cosmetics, and CSGO knife skins), Valve's biggest shame is they've never iterated on it further and haven't really opened it's potential to 3rd party developers as well as not allowing straight money transmitting (you can only turn it legitimately into Steam Cash). The model works, but everyone sleeps on it albeit because of a lot of technical challenges and infrastructure problems. It's easy for companies the size of Valve that have a huge platform, not easy for the typical game dev.

razorblot

Been keeping an eye on Cornucopias, I think it has some potential to be a decent MMO.

Crazycrossing

This is so frustrating, you don't need to make it literally work in another game for it to still be useable in a marketing campaign for example. I like to use games with long history to be able to show the potential: Say NFTs were around back in 2004. Anyone that killed Ragnaros in the first year of World of Warcraft got an NFT marking the occasion. Now jump forward to 2023, you want to target hardcore segment of the MMO audience or hardcore collectors. Anyone that owns Ragnaros NFT gets a special title in my game in 2023 or special item for checking it out and hooking up their wallet to my game.

Qwahzi

Take a look at [NanoBrowserQuest](https://www.nanobrowserquest.com/). It's a free remake of the old school BrowserQuest MMO, that also acts as a Nano faucet (payout when beating the boss). Doesn't have its own token, NFTs, or fees, just uses Nano

Pixelated_Curves

It definitely has potential, someone just needs to make a fun crypto game. An MMO like World of Warcraft could be awesome

rootpl

My only experience with a trading bot was in some online MMO games trading with fake gold. I've lost all my gold every single time because bots were to stupid to take advantage of the arbitrage in prices and lost money more often than earning it. I really hope those crypto bots are better than that... needless to say I'm not touching them even with a 10-foot pole.

Competitive-Ad3166

Bc MMO

Swoopscooter

The only thing I can think of would be an exchange that connects assets from different games in a trustless way. D2jsp.org is a forum where you can trade csgo skins among many other games items for forum gold. The gold can then be used to buy assets for a new game - eg you got lucky with a nice skin and rather have that value in MMO gold. This obviously already exists but due to the primitive nature of transactions on JSP you must contact a live mediator to eliminate the possibility of getting scammed. The site has a pretty robust karma system and seniority rules for transactions but its still very easy to get scammed. If a blockchain could fix this without requiring a live mediator that would be valuable. I don't know if its even possible though.

samwitchPS

this is an MMO with crypto capabilities :O perhaps you mean some sort of 3D real-time game? In which case yeh would be cool, but most of those I see are just hybrids of a normal game and NFTs, which while yes have some benefits, they won't nearly be as good or decentralized as Estfor Kingdom which has all actions recorded on-chain.

Pristine_Spinach8718

Would love to see a MMO with crypto capabilities. But even triple A studio’s have a hard time coming up with a somewhat decent MMO these day, let alone those smaller crypto initiatives.

MindTheMindForMind

Is this already playable? Hopefully yes, a MMO with in-game crypto economy is a dream

Connect-Ad-1088

just let it sit.....your ok, there are some that are balls deep in alts, balls deep in btc, you just have dipped your little toe into the crypto sea, however, i am not making light of your .2 btc, just keep stacking sats....do not fear taking profits, do not buy into the diamond hand bullshit, just my moonless opinion. MMO.

beerdrinker_mavech

I mean, if you compare quality of the metaverse with real MMO games 900 is still a lot

Dfranco123

I mean he isn’t that out there… the dude made ETH because of a WoW Nerf. To be precise, the exact moment was one day in 2010 when “Blizzard removed the damage component from my beloved Warlock’s Siphon Life spell.” Following the nerf, Buterin says he “cried myself to sleep” and, upon realising “what horrors centralised services can bring”, shortly quit Blizzard’s MMO. Quitting World Of Warcraft left Buterin “searching for a new purpose in life”, which led him to Bitcoin and the eventual creation of Ethereum. Since creating the blockchain, Buterin says it “has been taking up my life ever since”.

Techwield

Yes, lol. As much as NFTs allow you to. Here, an MMO whose main draw was buying and selling in-game shit for real money, released in motherfucking 2003, before the word "Blockchain" even entered the zeitgeist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropia_Universe

ChiggaOG

Metaverse will not be a thing so long as it’s viewed as an MMO. People still have day jobs requiring to be in person for certain positions. This game will never be used by traders on Wall Street.

ChiggaOG

Metaverse is corporate MMO. PlayStation had PlayStation Home before they killed it is a primitive version of Metaverse. VR Chat succeeds over Decentraland.

ChiggaOG

For an MMO… worse than RuneScape for sure.

Vipu2

If you want to experience visible inflation yourself, go play MMO game at launch. Everyone starts the game with 0 money but when people sell found items to NPC in the game they get money. Then you can check broker or some market in the game, things cost very little because everyone have very little money. There can be some items in the game that most people need at some point but they are a bit rare to find. These items can be pretty cheap at start but when you check the prices you see it raise slowly because people get more and more money because they keep selling items to NPC. Then there might be automated bot players who sell items to NPC:s 24/7/365, if the company handling the game doesnt handle those players by banning them or something the inflation goes up a lot faster than just with normal players. ​ I got to experience this lately and it was really fun to watch this happen and see how these things work in much faster rate than real life. You could think the NPC:s being banks who print the money and the only way to protect yourself from inflation was to buy those items that everyone needs with all the extra money you have.

WilliamsGFX

Yes, maybe in an MMO where items get minted out, or in a shooter with weapon skins, but for the majority of games, single-player or instanced multiplayer, non of this blockchain stuff really matters.

tchuckss

Uh no. Do you know how shader calculation is done? Do you know how behavior trees differ from state machines differ from GOAP systems differ from utility systems and whether your game is using it? Do you know the database software/structure utilized to keep your game account in that MMO you play? Do you know how the backend for the monetization of your favorite game works? Probably not. Do you care? Also no. You care about the end result. If crypto ca be integrated that way, the better it will be specially for those types who are violently against crypto/blockchain.

s1n0d3utscht3k

nothing about its entire web 3.0 truly has utility yet. it’s a transactional coin at best— like Monero. you need it to buy Yuga sold assets but two problems. one, once you’ve bought what you need, no utility reason to keep any other wealth in $APE. second, ppl ultimately spent more ETH than APE anyhow cuz gas. the Otherdeeds, Kodas, $APE, etc it’s all still at best in early beta, at worst in alpha. once they have a shitty browser MMO it may all have utility but the other question is wtf wants to play a shitty ass web browser esque mmo. the art is trash and even if you liked Bored Apes, the Otherside shit is weird af. that said, Yuga raised a shit load of money… a fuck tonne… off Otherside mints and they got a Star Citizen esque sunk cost zealot community so probably day it will indeed have a real ‘game’ and all the crypto assets will have ‘utility’…. i’ll be surprised if anyone other than apecucks wanna play it tho.

Independent_Level_77

There's a long bridge we need to pass before we actually use Web 3.0 on daily basis. Best way to introduce customers could be with video games. But let's be honest, all the games currently you can play are pretty much sub par. Can't even call them games... More like gamified platforms? We need actual games, for example an MMO.

StatusCity4

I am gold farmer in games. Honestly you can make money on games only on new AAA MMO games. After some time all gamesters gets overrun by bots or some kind of exploits.

TXTHEMXXN

So it really is like an MMO auction house, just larger trading volume, so the price is more consistent? That's so weird to me for some reason, but I guess it makes sense. Thank you btw! That helps a lot 😁

TXTHEMXXN

I would like to preface this by saying: I understand that supply, demand, media, and utility are the core aspects responsible for a crypto currencies current value. What I would like to know is how on earth we get the ACTUAL number? Like who is the person who wakes up and types "$30,000 USD for BTC" on the exchange? From what I understand, it's not a collective agreement to list the currency for an accepted value like its some MMO auction house, so where does the real number come from? Is it an equation? A computer program? Just some dude and his dog? A check and balance between multiple different exchanges (and if so, how did it work before we had all of these exchanges)? I apologize for the smooth brained question, but I can't seem to find a straight answer online.

Darkuso

Not sure if the ultimate, but one of the main cases of usability, I'm an avid MMO player, and just thinking about obtaining some legendary item that truly belongs to me, is just exciting, there are games where you need hundreds of hours to craft an item, at the moment is super cool but that would never belong to you in web2. There are currently web3 projects that are trying to make games fun to play without caring about p2e or anything else, Saito is doing that with boardgames, and they have been really focusing on making the games run on top of blockchain and building a community, there is no reason for them to jump into other types of games in the future.

ZenLimit

I really love the idea of a Minecraft-esque crypto MMO. It's long been a dream of mine to work on something similar with randomized loot. I can imagine a lot of late nights of "Just one more gem!" as I head down into the cavernous depths with my pickax and shovel.

4oMaK

I tried many NFT games but mostly I was seeking a MMO, all of them look and feel like a Unity asset flip, out of 20 games or so only one stuck and the progress it made is amazing, thry even planning a Steam release without all the jazz. If you like battle royale meets Dead by daylight I recommend you check it out, still in beta but still better, and you dont need to invest anything to play it. Game is called Bornless

stormdelta

Using it for MMO economies would make them impossible to balance properly. Even balancing around grey/black market RMT is tricky as it is. There's a good reason most MMOs don't officially allow RMT, and you'll find most MMO players don't want RMT officially allowed either.

ChiggaOG

Metaverse was a corporate-approved MMO. That was never going to work.

Darkuso

I have seen a few now, living in a shitty country with the worst economy of the world, crypto was just too helpful to keep my savings for about the last 7 years, it's not only useful but securer for me. Also, I think that the crypto/web3 gaming is in it's first baby steps, being an avid MMO player, the integration of NFT (as items) for example and web3 games will be a huge economy by itself in the future, at least, that is my point of view, the problem now, and which was in the last bull run with the P2E craze, was that they games were not fun, people made and "played" them to earn something, but not as a game with an extra layer of being able to earn something by playing, as soon the devs main focus is the gameplay and keeping a good community, everything will change, there are projects with fun games that are not even p2e but they run on a blockchain, anyone into boardgames here should check [https://saito.io/arcade/](https://saito.io/arcade/) it's not even the main focus of the project, it works as a showcase of what they want to do, but it works, and you can have multiplayer boardgames there running on the blockchain.

StatusCity4

You clrearly do not play online games. First problem of any MMO is dupes, and ruined economy because of exploits, with blockchain at least there is now possiblity to make in game economy.

Sidivan

You’d be surprised. I used to stand around in MMO’s shouting about dice rolls and a LOT of people will pay up and /roll 100. I made a to of in game money doing that for hours. The trick is every time somebody wins, you promote it.

Sidivan

You’d be surprised. I used to stand around in MMO’s shouting about dice rolls and a LOT of people will pay up and /roll 100

Icy-Article-8635

Just downloaded it. I think it's going to melt my poor macbook air (she's old), but I'm stoked to try this out. When NFTs got popular, all I could think was "what scammy bullshit... This definitely feels like tulip mania" and it was. But for games, and forum avatars? It's perfect. If you took NFTs, and combined them with an MMO like... 10 years ago? Yeah, I'd have never finished my Master's; WoW was bad enough lol.

Speedy-08

If the MMO was dead, why would the items have any value anyway? They're fundamentally tied to a game, and no amount of blockchain buzzwords gonna make that different.

Plebian1994

Yeah tbh a MMO would be way more difficult to make. Just the gameplay really. Could be a massive flop of they don't do it right. But the right team could easily make a crypto version of Runescape or World of War craft or something. That would definitely give me the motivation to play something like that tbh

InsaneMcFries

Or an MMO would be perfect, with its own economy, though that would require quite the developmental undertaking

Careless_Hurry8473

Why don’t they make an MMO where the in-game money is crypto currency, and all the gear you get is NFTs. (Or maybe like the epic and legendaries are nfts) land property NFTs in-game would be cool too. And people can open up shops and trade/sell items.

caploves1019

Layer 2, devs control liquidity of items initially until users commit BTC into pools for items to be assigned to them. Items trade freely (fractions of pennies) across lightning network or fedimint or similar layer 2 built on top of Bitcoin, the items exchange hands until the user quits, the user pays the liquidity pool fee to withdraw the Bitcoin represented by the items they have accumulated if valuable enough to do so OR continue trading with other gamers. I have a far better question you should be asking rather than **how** in-game items should be built into a distributed ledger like Bitcoin or whatever shtcoin you have in mind (which is quite simply answered). Better question is **why**. I'm a gamer, sure it sounds fun to take my time played with me from one game to the next but that system has a net loss benefit to all developers, they are entirely disincentivized from creating free-moving flow of users from one MMO to another outside of their own developed ecosystem. If on their own ecosystem, it makes zero sense to have anything other than a **centralized** ledger to assign said assets to users.

helobro11

I saw ordinals as a side quest like in a MMO game and it was indeed a side quest which didn't last long.........

AdministrativeRent67

I saw ordinals as a side quest like in a MMO game and it was indeed a side quest which didn't last long.

Freshwater_Spaceman

A.I is this year’s tech ‘fad’. Metaverses were last years, there will br something else to capture people’s imagination in a fee months/years or popular sentiment will switch back to MMO’s I mean, err Metaverses.

Vladimir-Putin

Mirandus' playtest is live right now and it genuinely has the bones of a fun MMO. Its still very much in a pre-alpha "testing the mechanics" phase, but even knowing how much is left to be fleshed out I'm optimistic about Mirandus actually being a quality video game. Now, monetization and tweaking the player-owned economy is going to be a make or break issue for a robust playerbase.