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The only real difference between the two is that FBTC is fidelity and is slightly more expansive, and IBIT is blackrock and is cheaper. In reality they have the same performance year over year performance so either is a great choice for tracking bitcoin.
What about FBTC? Just curious since it’s almost the same as IBIT
That's a pretty interesting question. I'd say currently, it's contrarian in this sub to invest in gold and bitcoin. Gold has so many things going for it. Trump is going to dismantle the federal reserve system. Foreign countries are diversifying away from the USD. USD gonna get more and more devalued in the future unless there's a war not involving the US (unlikely). Bitcoin is basically like digital gold. Fed's gonna cut interest rates in an inflationary environment. So you're gonna get USD devaluation with a risk-on environment. Coming to think of it, I'd like to get rid of some garbage like small cap (gonna get destroyed by tariff and labor policy) and get more gold and IBIT at some point.
IBIT is lagging behind the spot, but spot price is in a clear downtrend now.
I'm short OPEN and long IBIT for tomorrow. Tits up = impossible.
Nice cherry picked time frame 1y: IBIT: +89% GLD: +41%
Rising gold, but falling IBIT. Digital gold not quite replacing real gold yet.
I put in a debit spread last week during that dip on IBIT. I have the $61/65 for Oct 17 exp
Was paying attention to GLD, but IBIT actually went up a bit more.
I just bought IBIT puts, assume a crypto announcement at 2pm
Too many 🌽projects by 🥭family this week. Qqq puts hedge with IBIT calls
Well at least my IBIT’s aren’t fucked yet lol, only green in a sea of 🩸
Did not think it would be this early but here’s my WYFI comment WYFI has massive potential. They’re a cloud provider and Colo provider, think as a mini NBIS or CRWV. Spun off from BTBT, they have data centers up and running Canada. Have cloud revenue that’s likely over $88m ARR. Colo deal that’s going to hit in January once one of their DC in Montreal is finished, tenant already lined up (Cerebras, look them up). Main upside is that they specialize in retrofitting buildings into DC instead of building them from scratch. It’s quicker too. They just bought a site this year in NC and are on plan that have it up and running in Q1 2026. They already have a LOI from a customer and they haven’t even finishing building it. That’s just for the 24MW. That DC can scale up to 200MW. MASSIVE potential. My other stock is DEFT. Canadian company that basically operations ETPs for crypto tokens. Basically like IBIT or ETH ETF or SOL ETF whatever but they mainly Operate in Europe. So you guys know how crypto is exploding, many are accepting, people want exposure to it etc?!?! Well they make it very easy and convenient to own it. They have I believe over 80 ETPs of crypto related products. Can own most token through their products. But the company makes money from managements fees, staking revenue, lending, etc. They have not had ONE month without net outflows, always growing. Crazy. Over a billion in AUM and they make a blended rate of like 7% of their AUM. That’s not all, this team is spinning out businesses like crazy. Last year they launched a business called DEFI Alpha - basically their arbitrage trading arm. Sometimes trades come up where they’re able to buy discounted tokens (one example is the FTX token payouts). Since most of the time they already own these tokens for their AUM, they’re able to replace, add, or hedge out risk etc. Another is stillman digital which generates trading commissions. Guiding for up to $12M on trading revenue from them. They bought it for about $5M in an all stock deal. Basically made their money back in a year. Hit me up if you guys want to know more
If I could go back in time, investing in SPY or QQQ on a DCA strategy for your first 3-5 years is not a bad idea. I would also add some IBIT and ETHA. These are investments you can hold for a decade or longer. Spend time learning about investing on your own in the mean time and when you're comfortable, start diversifying your account.
Probably IBIT puts or on some shady DEX
For intents and purposes I’m 80% VT, 10% IBIT, and then I chill
WYFI has massive potential. They’re a cloud provider and Colo provider, think as a mini NBIS or CRWV. Spun off from BTBT, they have data centers up and running Canada. Have cloud revenue that’s likely over $88m ARR. Colo deal that’s going to hit in January once one of their DC in Montreal is finished, tenant already lined up (Cerebras, look them up). Main upside is that they specialize in retrofitting buildings into DC instead of building them from scratch. It’s quicker too. They just bought a site this year in NC and are on plan that have it up and running in Q1 2026. They already have a LOI from a customer and they haven’t even finishing building it. That’s just for the 24MW. That DC can scale up to 200MW. MASSIVE potential. My other stock is DEFT. Canadian company that basically operations ETPs for crypto tokens. Basically like IBIT or ETH ETF or SOL ETF whatever but they mainly Operate in Europe. So you guys know how crypto is exploding, many are accepting, people want exposure to it etc?!?! Well they make it very easy and convenient to own it. They have I believe over 80 ETPs of crypto related products. Can own most token through their products. But the company makes money from managements fees, staking revenue, lending, etc. They have not had ONE month without net outflows, always growing. Crazy. Over a billion in AUM and they make a blended rate of like 7% of their AUM. That’s not all, this team is spinning out businesses like crazy. Last year they launched a business called DEFI Alpha - basically their arbitrage trading arm. Sometimes trades come up where they’re able to buy discounted tokens (one example is the FTX token payouts). Since most of the time they already own these tokens for their AUM, they’re able to replace, add, or hedge out risk etc. Another is stillman digital which generates trading commissions. Guiding for up to $12M on trading revenue from them. They bought it for about $5M in an all stock deal. Basically made their money back in a year. Hit me up if you guys want to know more
Thats nothing compared to bitcoin ETFs such as IBIT and FBTC where you'll see big swings up and down every day.
Since late May: * QQQ: +10.9% * IBIT: -3.01%
IBIT dipped. Buy in and wait a few months, could make 1-2k
Understand what you are asking for, maybe you already do, but some might not. By choosing a stock that is $10, that pays decent premium, you are limiting the universe of underlying stocks/ETFs to choose from. Essentially, you are chasing premium because of the high-beta (high IV) underlyings that exist in this world of \~$10. I prefer (and I realize some can't due to capital constraints) choosing stocks in the $35 to $50 range, but I will go as high as \~$75. I choose stocks/ETFs that have varying levels of IV, so I might go with a KO (20% IV) at the bottom edge of IV and something like IBIT (45% IV) on the higher side, possibly going with an underlying that has an IV as high as 60%. Again, I prefer using a diversified range of IVs and uncorrelated stocks/ETFs. I go out 30 to 60 days and ladder expiration cycles. Again, I'm sure you already understand all of this, just trying to help some that are out there with no idea what's going on. And everyone should think about risk, first and foremost committing any capital. Hopefully, this more conservative, and sustainable approach I mention is something everyone understands, because it's an incredibly powerful approach over the long-term.
Decided to sell IBIT today. There's better opportunities with more upside. IBIT correlates too much to big tech, and yet it's underperforming many large cap leaders since late 2024. But unlike large cap stocks, there's nothing really backing the growth other than sentiment. I'm still bullish on ETH, because there's more practical use cases for it due to stablecoins.
IBIT increasingly just a mega cap tech stock lol. Volatility way down, strong correlation to the megacaps.
IBIT 9/5 61P seems like free money.
Wow lol, zero gains for IBIT since December 2024.
My favorite ETF to wheel is SMH, but IWM is good too. IBIT, that one is very volatile. Amazon and Google are staples. I also do brb.b but mainly bc i have a lot and it's less volatile. SPY is a favorite, but I dont do that one (no strong feelings for or against, I just don't).
Unusual $1.1M IBIT (Bitcoin ETF) Call right before the close today
I am diversified into other stocks yes, mostly Rigetti, Nivida, and IBIT, all stocks that will be around for decades to come.
Looks like my IBIT runners are gonna P-P-PRINT
Legit take. If you’re just after BTC/ETH exposure, ETFs like IBIT and ETHA via traditional brokers make total sense regulated, custodied, simple. COIN (Coinbase) only really matters if: 1. You want direct ownership of crypto (not IOUs). 2. You plan to use crypto (DeFi, dApps, NFTs). 3. You want to self-custody (which ETFs don’t let you). 4. You want exposure to altcoins not in ETFs (though that comes with risk). But yeah if you’re a long-term investor who just wants price exposure without dealing with keys, wallets, or exchanges, Robinhood + ETFs works fine. Just keep in mind: ETF = no actual control of the asset. Not your keys, not your coins. That’s why I eventually moved everything off exchanges into a Cypherock hardware wallet, provides real ownership, no middlemen.
Don't chase premium. Always use proper position sizing Someone mentioned KO, probably a good start as it's pretty harmless. You could couple it with a higher beta underlying like IBIT, which has been wonderful this year for [cash-secured puts](https://www.theoptionpremium.com/p/how-to-use-cash-secured-puts-on-ibit-to-buy-bitcoin-at-a-discount-and-get-paid-while-you-wait). I've been using IBIT for a while now along with numerous other underylings, the key is to diversify your levels of IV per underlying, over a variety of sectors trying to be as uncorrelated as possible. The hype crowd likes to simply chase premium which is not a sustainable approach. Use highly-liquid underlying stocks and ETFs that you don't mind owning. I try to keep stocks that I wheel less than $100 to allow for further capital allocation and diversification. Typically I just use poor man's covered calls for expensive stocks due to capital efficiency and I'm always hedging appropriately using risk-defined spreads. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that cash-secured puts are a wonderful strategy, but choose your underlyings wisely. Don't let the amount of premium be the deciding factor.
100% on IBIT in 10 min, sold and out for the day! Good luck ladies and gents
IBIT is at the lowest levels since July. NOT all times highs.... 🤔
IBIT like I was telling folks. Just get a little bit of exposure in this ETF paired with VOO and vgt
Yep, IBIT on Nov 13, 2026. Sell everything on Aug 9, 2029 for a 7x
I had a good till canceled order for IBIT over the weekend that filled a market open today. I’m so cooked😭
I’m riding PLTR, MSTR and IBIT. Just added BMNR.
Can bitcoin stop so that my IBIT and 401k can not look like a red dildo dropping from Lucifer’s ass.
Did the old millennial get tired of waiting for gen z to buy their BTC bags? Gen Z are gambling on AI and cannabis stocks not Dad stock like MSTR and IBIT
IBIT is not speculative? Interesting strategy
I’m big on IBIT as well !
Is it illegal to load up on a bunch of IBIT puts at the close on Friday and then market sell 28,000 BTC Sunday night to tank the market before Monday’s open?
Some of these don’t make sense. Sell IBIT but buy BITX?
Invest some in crypto. Bitcoin exposure with IBIT, some Etherium with BMNR and SBET and some Solana with SOLT! These will grow quite a bit over time!
I can’t invest in crypto in a custodial account despite what trump wants at the moment what are your thoughts on crypto funds like IBIT
You can buy the Bitcoin ETF IBIT or some of the others. Putting 5% or do in it makes sense to me.
$WULF $10c 9/5 $ZETA $19c 9/5 $IBIT $70c 9/26 Going to slowly scale into those
puts on everything. pick something. friday will be brutal. Memes first. tesla, open, KSS, RKT. Obliterated. PLTR might touch 140 again and maybe test 135. Apple is FKD. META gonna hurt from AI freeze. RBLX pedos. All puts. Puts across AI. Calls on IBIT or GLD, because safe havens. Maybe not so much IBIT, but who knows.
puts on everything. pick something. friday will be brutal. Memes first. tesla, open, KSS, RKT. Obliterated. PLTR might touch 140 again and maybe test 135. Apple is FKD. META gonna hurt from AI freeze. RBLX pedos. All puts. Puts across AI. Calls on IBIT or GLD, because safe havens. Maybe not so much IBIT, but who knows.
I am not sure it was 3:1 but here you go: https://imgur.com/a/j2qu2RK But I am permaPMCC. I keep on rolling forever - shorts or the leaps. If it needs adjusted, it gets adjusted but never closed. That's for broad market stuff such as QQQ, IWM and IBIT not for individual stocks. For stocks I exit when I believe it is out of my comfort range. Or I scale it down.
Not much at all. IBIT was in the tightest fucking annoying range after the initial plunge.
My entire portfolio is red except for IBIT amd ETHA. Seems fishy
I have IBIT leaps and bought more during this current dip
Believe it or not: IBIT PUTS!
I bought the dip on IBIT to try to swing trade🫣
Someone exercised my IBIT 65c on Friday https://preview.redd.it/kvd42mr221kf1.jpeg?width=216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62f32aeb581ba87c7fb2ae6e9c5d18dc6a92db5d
Last 6 months: * IBIT: +18% * MSTR: +7%
Anyone buying IBIT puts?
Buying puts on $IBIT intraday and selling for scalps has paid off nicely the past month.
Again, I mean, I might be dumb. If I was a new investor and I wanted a simple portfolio, I would do a 5050 portfolio (which doesn't seem to be your goal anyway) would be more like 50% TFLO 25% VOO 23% Gold 2% IBIT, and it would cover most every base you'd actually want covered. Maybe swap out VOO for VT if you wanted that extra diversification in equites, and maybe if you want slightly more alpha out of your bonds take on some duration risk from the FRNs, but, that is where I would start. If you need to raise USD just sell some bonds, and then you can hold onto your risk assets longer and thus not lose upside and incur taxes. Unless interest rates are 0% then... just stick with FRNs anyways because interest rates can only go up from there.
I mean, I might be dumb. If I was a new investor and I wanted a simple portfolio, I would do something more like 50% TFLO 25% VOO 23% Gold 2% IBIT, and it would cover most every base you'd actually want covered.
Might keep my contra funds and add 15% IBIT
I’m betting long term on IBIT and GRNY
Roth I have 50% VOO, 18% AVUV, 15% vea, 10% vwo, and 7% IBIT, plus some more all SP500 in a smaller one. Individual I prefer individual stocks with 5-10% BTC with the companies leaning growth and some pretty volatile
Bessent: US Government is "not going to be buying" Bitcoin. Crypto: 100 billion erased from market cap *2 hours later:* Bessent: US government is exploring ways "to acquire more Bitcoin to expand the reserve." BlackRock: Positive inflows for both IBIT ($114MM) and ETHA ($339MM) Just buy every dip till next April
Sure, short the shit out of IBIT.
What i have noticed recently , not sure if this is how rh is designed to profit from you. So i trade IBIT options often , almost every week. The spread is usually 2-5 cents . Say ask is 2.00 bid is 1.96, and i sell put, it gets filled immediately on schwab if i sell for 1.99. However, on rh even if i sell for 1.98 i cannot get filled quickly. And i have to lower it to below midline to get filled quickly
>Short MSTR and get out of crypto gambling. Uhm - MSTR is tied directly to the price of BTC. If you short MSTR - you are getting further into crypto gambling unless you own an equal weight of FBTC or IBIT or similar to offset your losses with MSTR if BTC goes up.
unless you are long IBIT and short MSTR, you are making negative free money
I think it was a mistake for MSTR to launch preferred shares. In just the last month, -17% underperformance relative to IBIT.
If you want to get first place, you’re going to have to go all-in on the highest beta and expected value things. Being ballsy without regard for loss is the key to winning these competitions. It’s not realistic for real life investing. I got 98th percentile out of 33000 traders in July on Tradingview with 10 trades (the minimum number of trades to qualify). My picks are 40% ETHA, 40% IBIT, and 20% QQQ if you’re ending this in just 2 months
Tax implications are worth considering here. If you lost your job this could turn out to be a good year to realize some capital gains, or not, I personally wait until the year is closer to over. Make sure you understand put call parity before wheeling, itm put = covered call etc. Wheeling IBIT this year has worked well, but it feels like I'm gonna give it all back. Diversify yourself and wheel something that doesn't correlate to whatever else. And keeping some cash in fixed income will let you keep wheeling if something drops too far to get any premium.
I’m not a safe type of guy. I need my hair on fire or life sucks. But truthfully, I only buy obvious shit like NVDA, PLTR, IBIT etc. It really isn’t as hard as people make it out to be.
BTBT and IBIT. Invest in those two. Do your own research on them.
If you want BTC exposure why wouldn't you just hold a BTC fund like IBIT instead?
MSTR is such a shit stock. I bought it thinking it was a like a double leveraged bitcoin stock. Still -10% despite bitcoin being up 13k since I bought. Should bought more IBIT or BITX 🤡🤦
And now corn is a-droppin’. See the spike, see the leveraged liquidity build below, buy weekly IBIT puts.
Sold all my positions yesterday expecting flat / down today, but based on pre-market rn, planning to build positions in these over the course of today: * 11/21 BMNR $45C * 11/21 COIN $260C * 11/21 HOOD $90C * 11/21 IBIT $60C * 12/19 IBKR $55C * 11/21 JPM $250C * 11/21 META $700C * 11/21 NVDA $150C * 11/21 PLTR $150C * 11/21 RDDT $180C * 11/21 QQQ $550C
BBAI RIOT MARA CLSK KSS AEO ACHR SMCI IBIT rcat zeta oklo mp buying if red
You guys are missing the point of all these treasury companies. They are going to put the floor for eth and for Btc. Look at how Btc shot up after strategy’s investment, from 5k to 120k. Plus with a pro crypto administration, it’s going to be good. Hate the game don’t hate the player. Ride the trend, eth and crypto will have massive support going forward. Im betting big on ETHU, IBIT, and BMNR
I’ve been in this for months already and I actively participate in r/LETFs I’m very into the mathematics of LETFs and the “leveraged decay” is protective of downturns due to the resetting preventing you from going to zero unlike something like margin or an expiry date like options due to the exponential nature of the curve which has an asymptote at 0. It also works well with you during a bull market due to the reset of the leverage daily which causes immense exponential gains during a bull run which I’m trying to capitalize on during this cycle. For those benefits, I’ve made the decision that although the 2x leverage is beyond the efficient frontier due to the volatility of crypto, there is exceedingly positive expected value in this trade even when considering volatility decay since I’m extremely convicted of the bull run but will not dip into options for the play And that’s my thesis of why ETHU/BITX is a better hold personally than ETHA/IBIT for my swing trade goals. Total hold time should be about 5 months ending in October
Sorry, I trade only specific stocks that show potential like Tesla, ARk ETF, IBIT, BITC, ETh Etfs, Nvidia, Raynair, MP, MO,
Here's to hoping the crypto gains hold until market open. If they don't, it's your signal to load up on IBIT, ETHA, XRPI and SOLZ. I just moved half of tonight's crypto gains into gold.
IBIT and ETHA easiest trade of 2025
I’m also in on IBIT, a great way to do options with Bitcoin
I took more records than anybody. Of them all the most instructive for me are the ones that track my net worth across my assets year over year. It's been an instructive 15 years since I started. I also tracked all my SPY trades etc., and hardly every looked back or used the data to improve, and eventually just stopped tracking it and used my netliq to guide me. Right now I'm enamored with AI so I'm feeding all my IBIT trades into a google sheet, saving it as a CSV and pasting it into Gemini, then mostly asking it questions like "how much premium have I collected so far" or "whats my P/L and APR if we close tonite at $66".